Cold water tub for Iran

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Sluggish story with a lawsuit filed by Iran in the Geneva Arbitration Court against Russia, which, according to the sanctions imposed, did not supply Tehran with the C-300 system, it suddenly heated to the limit. If earlier Iranian officials claimed that the lawsuit could be a reason to start supplying Russian air defense systems, despite international sanctions, today it is a banal demand to compensate the penalty. In principle, the matter would not have cost a large number of broken copies if it had not revolved around such a sensitive issue as Russia's support for Iran’s peaceful (at least Tehran official) nuclear program.

After the amount that is demanded from Russia for “disrupting C-300 deliveries” (and this amount amounts to 4 billion dollars) has surfaced, Russian representatives also decided to stop playing silent and unconditional support. The fact is that according to the contract signed in 2007 between Russia and Iran, Moscow should have delivered five anti-aircraft missile divisions for Tehran. The contract amount was no more than 800 million dollars. At the same time, Russia managed to get an advance in the amount of 167 million dollars from Iran. After Iran imposed international sanctions in terms of supplies weapons, Russia explained to Tehran that it does not have the right to violate international law and returned those same 167 to the "green" Iranian side. From a financial point of view, it seems, everything is extremely transparent, and from a legal point of view, too. But only Iran set out to sue 4 billion from Russia, which, apparently, does not fit in with the contract amount in any way.

Yes, of course, Russia could go on an unconditional spit on international law and start delivering C-300 to the Islamic Republic, without even paying attention to sanctions. However, in this case, no positive news regarding the reduction of international pressure on Iran would obviously have been expected, and even the flow of pseudo-democratic feces in such cases would have poured into Russia. And such flows can easily bury any calls from Russia for a further peaceful settlement of the Iranian nuclear issue, including at the UN Security Council. Therefore, Russia decided to continue to support Iran exclusively in the field of international justice.

But in Tehran such a missile support could not be clearly appreciated. The Iranian side decided to show itself offended and offered Moscow to fork out pretty, while emphasizing that Tehran actually requested not the above-mentioned 4 billion, but “only” 900 million dollars as “easy” compensation for their losses. They say that the remaining 3 billion 100 million were added to the account by the compassionate Iranian judges against Iran, who, by definition, by definition have no right to overestimate the requirements outlined in the lawsuits, without the knowledge of the plaintiff. But Tehran, apparently, did not suspect such rules, and therefore decided to justify itself in the spirit of "it is not my fault - he himself ..."

Having heard this, having listened to all these Iranian arguments, Russia decided to show its character too. In particular, Iran was strongly recommended to withdraw its 4 billion-dollar lawsuit. The situation with the lawsuit was called "ugly", and Iran "ungrateful." And although the lawsuit, it seems, is purely commercial, but this is exactly the case when it is just one step from ordinary commerce to global politics.

The word “ungrateful” obviously means ingratitude for the support that Russia has been providing Tehran over the recent years in terms of its nuclear development. And, indeed, the Russian tough position, aimed at supporting Iran, is still one of the factors deterring NATO and Israel, and after all, both NATO and Israel are ready to level all Iranian nuclear (and not only nuclear) facilities with the ground.

It turns out that Iran has played too much in the state offended by Russia. In this regard, Russia may already be offended in turn, and the Russian “offense” will cost the same Iran much more than 4 the billions of dollars that it wants to get.

One can imagine how much the "progressive and democratic" West will be overjoyed if Russia suddenly declares that Iran should henceforth deal with its own "nuclear" problems. In this case, Ahmadinejad will be much more difficult to declare the exceptional peace of his nuclear program.

If Iran does not withdraw its lawsuit from the Geneva court, then Russia can really leave Iran without its support, and this is for Iran under current conditions almost like death. True, indirectly, on the side of Iran, China can remain, but, as we know, Chinese support can be so changeable ... And if in Beijing they suddenly realize that they are left on one side of the barricades only with Mr. Ahmadinejad, then the Chinese pragmatists will make sure that urgent order to retire from the camp "unconditionally supporting." With all due respect to Beijing, it can be said that so far it is far from trying to single-handedly dictate to other states solely its point of view in the international arena. His times have not yet come, but everything is gradually coming to that ...

The ornateness of Eastern diplomacy lies in the fact that the slogan “Chinese and Persians are brothers forever” will remain burning in the hearts of each of the Iranians, but at the same time China will quietly step over its own position, finding at least a million reasons for this.

It turns out that with its own lawsuit Iran is driving itself into a corner. And in this corner we would like to see the Americans from the Iranians (first of all from the Iranian authorities) squeeze out all the juices of life before the new stages of the world democratization. At the same time, it is not necessary to wet the hands, because there is Israel, which, in the absence of Iran’s support, can finally and irrevocably return the Iranian atom to a purely peaceful course.

If Iran withdraws its lawsuit in the near future, then this can return Russian favor. But if Ahmadinejad and his entourage kick back in full, then there is little that will help Tehran avoid foreign “friends” from entering its territory. Will official Tehran have enough pragmatism, or have the hot heads of Iranian leaders become so hot that even a tub of cold water from Moscow does not help? ..
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  1. +59
    11 August 2012 08: 30
    Of course, I am perplexed as to how justified this behavior of Russia is and whether it goes against Russia’s interests in the future...
    But I didn’t even want to talk about this rather difficult situation.
    I wanted to ask who can bring up another topic for discussion?!
    This topic will be very revealing for all of us - what our government actually supports and how weak its position is under Western pressure. We are talking about a “mad c*nt” (moderator, I can’t help it, that’s a self-name).
    Many people have already come out in support of them, i.e. obvious enemies have identified themselves. Do we need to take note of them or do you all care?! Björk, Madonna, etc. For me, they no longer exist either in the form of their creativity or as people.
    Something else surprises me - why are my fellow citizens such, excuse me, idiots?!
    They are openly attacking us, desecrating our shrines, there is already an obvious war going on, but everyone is only expecting something from the authorities. So we will see... I will not call for beating women, although they are not women. But why they don’t beat the “male sex” who supports them is not clear to me.
    I promise: if the authorities don’t give the “pussies” a real deadline and there are no real proposals, then I will simply leave the site. This pointless blah blah blah for the rating is pointless.

    It's a pity that voting by rating is anonymous... It would be clear who is who...
    1. +17
      11 August 2012 09: 01
      Don't get excited. You can leave the site if you have another outlet similar to this.
      1. +2
        11 August 2012 09: 36
        No, it will be a dead end. Although I plan to launch my own website, this will not change anything. If people here won’t go beyond words, then what can they hope for?!
      2. 0
        12 August 2012 22: 35
        Who can tell me how to delete a profile here?
        I’m leaving due to protest to anonymous voting and the site’s inoperability: for example, I can’t write to the admins - the code picture is not displayed; I can’t make posts and write PS - user ID error... And there is no reaction to this.
        And I don’t want there to be this whole circus with ratings. I just don’t like being pressured, even virtually. If anything, maybe someday I’ll start a profile from scratch. I lost the desire to be here.
        Please advise. Well, at least tell me the downvoters. Oh, and how to leave the forum - I also can’t find it anywhere.
        I ask a moderator to help me remove it. To attract attention and an eternal ban maybe, I apologize: .h.u.y, b.l.y.t.
        1. 0
          13 August 2012 01: 28
          Now at least talk about it, I don’t care.
    2. Gemar
      +23
      11 August 2012 09: 48
      Quote: vvvvv
      if the authorities don’t give the “pussies” a real sentence

      There is a twofold situation here... They won’t give it - it’s a slap in the soul of the Orthodox. If they give it, it will raise the ratings of the “pussy”, which will give the West and the “orange” a reason to cry about the violation of human rights to freedom of speech and expression of their political views. I propose that the “puseys” be shorn like goats, and only one be seated (the initiator of the speech in the church). If two of them remain free, then there will be fewer cries about human rights violations.
      Quote: vvvvv
      It's a pity that voting by rating is anonymous... It would be clear who is who...
      Plus for you! This is what you need... Although there will be even more dirt on the site.

      Quote: vvvvv
      then I'll just leave the site

      I think this “threat” does not suit you. Stay on the site to spite all enemies! And persistently, through
      Quote: vvvvv
      blah blah blah
      prove your opinion. Maybe it won’t reach someone the first time... BUT! If you tell a person a million times that he is a pig, he will actually grunt.
      1. +8
        11 August 2012 10: 03
        Still, I will insist that only severe punishment can deter someone. Stalin understood this. And this is not freedom of speech, but an absolutely outright hostile act against the religion, culture and morality of Russia.
        AND YOU CAN'T LOOK AT IT OTHERWISE! Everyone should know when to stop!
        Otherwise I won’t say anything against it.
        1. Gemar
          +13
          11 August 2012 10: 26
          Quote: vvvvv
          Stalin understood this

          Yeah. Under Stalin, these fools would have worn red ties. And then no one would know what kind of creatures they really are! So there is no bad without good. What these “girls” did in the church is a terrible sin. But what our Patriarch says... That real Orthodox Christians support "EdRo"???!!! What does religion have to do with it? It is in our country that they could only mix dirt (politics) and faith. I think that the Patriarch also needs to be shaved. At least for his statement that God punished the population of the island of Haiti with an earthquake because they were so immoral! When I heard this... belay I just got confused. Who is he to judge God's providence??? fool
          1. +3
            11 August 2012 17: 38
            Who are you to shave the Patriarch? Don't take on too much? Same for me, righteous man. Before judging a person, you need to walk a long way in his shoes, and you still need to grow into these shoes, with all due respect.
            1. Nikopol
              0
              11 August 2012 18: 15
              How long has it been since the patriarch walked on foot? Everywhere you look, he drives Mercs. On the way, he compares himself with the deputies to see who has the coolest motorcade.
              1. +1
                11 August 2012 18: 40
                By the way, you are off topic.
            2. SSR
              +4
              11 August 2012 21: 44
              please don’t get excited... don’t judge about judging... a long time ago someone said... “don’t judge, lest you be judged” (c).
              only it seems to come from there... well, like: “the temple should be in the heart. And from there, please do not mention the Lord anyhow”... (c) almost)
              I wanted to write more... but I decided to stop... there is so much dirt...
              but I want to say that you shouldn’t “idealize” the priests and the church like that.. don’t forget.. that Faith.. is one thing.. but the servants of “faith”)) are often smelly..
              to whom nothing worldly is alien..)))
              1. REPA1963
                -4
                12 August 2012 00: 23
                A huge plus, especially after the story with the patriarch’s boilers.
              2. -2
                12 August 2012 20: 30
                I fully support you. Church and faith are one thing, but the Patriarch and his retinue are another. Why does the patriarch have security from the FSO, a car from the garage of the Presidential Administration - is this normal? It turns out that separation from the state is a mess, and calls to vote for United Russia and Putin are a test of state loyalty. And there is no need to attribute insult to the feelings of believers to the Pussics. They did not offend anyone's feelings, but dared to mention the name "Putin" in an inappropriate light. Hence such attacks on them.
            3. Gemar
              0
              12 August 2012 07: 51
              Quote: Midshipman
              Who are you to shave the Patriarch

              Really got excited! But to say that the population of Haiti deserved such suffering due to their immorality... But children also died! What do they deserve? Instead of calling on believers to pray for the souls of the departed, he indirectly stated that this is what they need! This man is not God to judge innocent children like that.
          2. Nikopol
            -11
            11 August 2012 18: 13
            What can I say - the church fully supports MedvePut and EdRo... I wouldn’t be surprised if there will soon be a Tsar/Emperor of the GDP. laughing
            1. +3
              11 August 2012 18: 41
              We can’t wait, especially since we have such confidence. You liberals don't understand.
              1. +1
                11 August 2012 19: 11
                Go ahead, minus it, it’s not impressive, I even want to laugh. Yours hasn't grown any bigger than ours.
          3. speedy
            +2
            11 August 2012 20: 23
            Gemar,
            Quote: Gamar
            I just got confused. Who is he to judge God's providence???

            A young man, in fact he is a Patriarch, who else should judge if not the Primate of the Russian Orthodox Church? Believe me, the tsunami in Japan was a manifestation of God’s wrath on the Japanese, who decided to fight Russia for the “northern territories” in alliance with Georgia... Remember Sodom and Gomorrah, and think about who and what to blurt out! negative
            1. +1
              11 August 2012 21: 17
              good good good I agree absolutely!!! drinks
            2. Gemar
              0
              12 August 2012 08: 01
              Quote: short-term
              Believe me, the tsunami in Japan was a manifestation of God’s wrath at the Japanese, who decided to fight Russia for the “northern territories” in alliance with Georgia... Remember Sodom and Gomorrah, and think about who and what to blurt out

              Forgive me... I got excited about the hairstyle. BUT!!! Who are you to talk about the manifestation of God's wrath (even in relation to the despicable Japanese)? I judge people, but not God. Again, children died. What are they to blame for?!
              Quote: short-term
              A young man, actually he is a Patriarch, who else should judge if not the Primate of the Russian Orthodox Church

              Even the Patriarch has no right to judge the actions of the Lord God! He takes on a lot. And his mere statement that the Orthodox support Putin is not blasphemy?
          4. lotus04
            +1
            12 August 2012 08: 37
            Quote: Midshipman
            Yeah. Under Stalin, these fools would have worn red ties. And then no one would know what kind of creatures they really are!


            Yes! But there would be no one to brainwash these fools. The ancestors of these gons would have rotted in Kolyma long ago. And they (these “girls”) would go to exemplary Komsomol members and would think about how to help the elderly and the lagging and lost sheep in production.
        2. Airdefence
          +3
          11 August 2012 12: 19
          Stalin understood this. And this is not freedom of speech, but an absolutely outright hostile act against the religion, culture and morality of Russia.
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          I dare to remind you that in 1931 the Cathedral of Christ the Savior was blown up on the orders of Stalin himself, and the girls in the recreated temple were just kicking their feet and it was already “an absolutely outright hostile act against the religion, culture and morality of Russia.” What do you call what the mustachioed man did? I’m already silent about how many churches were looted and priests perished in the camps...
          1. 0
            11 August 2012 12: 31
            I am not advocating adopting the worst...
          2. lds040580
            -23
            11 August 2012 12: 34
            yes, JUST HOW I DIDN’T NOTICE - HERE I AM A LOSER - GUNDYAEV’S MORALITY - NANODUST!!!! 20 LYAMOV - oh...are you absolutely WHAT ABOUT YOU!!!!!!!!
            1. +3
              11 August 2012 18: 52
              You're spot on
            2. Municipality
              0
              11 August 2012 22: 20
              what is so much snot about?
          3. Kaa
            +6
            11 August 2012 16: 57
            Quote: AirDefence
            I dare to remind you that in 1931 the Cathedral of Christ the Savior was blown up on the orders of Stalin himself,

            Tell me, is the church me too? -Oh, no, this was before you, in the 15th century. “Back in 1922, when designing a residential complex on Bersenevskaya Embankment (almost opposite the temple), the architect B. Iofan expected that the Palace of the Soviets would be built on the site of the Cathedral of Christ, and taking this into account, he planned the location of all communications on the site. But at that time there was neither a project for the Palace of the Soviets nor a decision on its location and demolition of the temple. The decisive role in the demolition of the Cathedral of Christ the Savior was played by the all-powerful “helmsman” of the Moscow Bolsheviks, Lazar Kaganovich, whose relative was the architect Iofan.” http://rufact.org/blog/2011/dec/5/svidetelstva-ochevidtsa-snosa-hrama-hrista-spa
            site/
          4. gojesi
            +4
            11 August 2012 17: 06
            Quote: AirDefence
            I dare to remind you that in 1931 the Cathedral of Christ the Savior was blown up on the orders of Stalin himself

            For general development... the order to demolish the Cathedral of Christ the Savior bore the signature of Kagan - L. Kaganovich, since the true owner of Russia was Kagan or the Spiritual Leader, who is always in the shadows, and the destruction of the temple was RITUAL. J.V. Stalin was, according to the Khazar “table of ranks,” just a Secular Ruler or Bek.
            And the order for demolition is on the Internet, search it and you will see whose signature is under it...
            1. Kaa
              -1
              11 August 2012 17: 42
              Quote: gojesi
              For general development ..

              Are you developing? I envy...And I have already lost this ability, it’s so sad, so sad. More tolerant, "colleague"!!! And enough of these tales about “rituals”, it’s already intrusive!
              1. gojesi
                +1
                11 August 2012 18: 02
                For kaa
                It was written not for you, firstly, but to stop the next denigration of I.V. Stalin.
                You shouldn't be jealous, it's better to rejoice!
                What do you have there..., where and how, “imposed” on me, yes, I suppose others are not interested.
                I am NOT tolerant and I DO NOT need anyone’s advice or recommendations, but I think you already understand that.
                1. -1
                  11 August 2012 18: 57
                  I put a downvote by mistake, sorry. I agree about “tolerance” and the regulars here are already preaching this heresy.
                  1. Sergh
                    +1
                    11 August 2012 23: 59
                    Guys! Yes, this is an empty spread of discord between Russia and Iran. All this is bullshit, no problem, fiction, Amer’s dumb move to push each other! The government knows about this. Nonsense!!!
            2. +4
              11 August 2012 18: 38
              Wonderful are your works, Lord! But, indeed, if in the word Kaganovich the emphasis is placed on the second syllable, the surname immediately acquires its true meaning (to be honest, it just struck me now). Obviously, the Russians were driven by this, our ancestors did everything with great meaning. And some kind of infection then changed the emphasis and it turned out to be a muddy, meaningless word
              1. gojesi
                0
                12 August 2012 01: 25
                Quote: Bully
                But, indeed, if in the word Kaganovich the emphasis is placed on the second syllable, the surname immediately acquires its true meaning

                in the Jewish tradition of the Khazar Kaganate it was always possible to have 2 rulers - the secular Bek (Stalin) and the spiritual, secret one (Kaganovich). Jews historically never change their three surnames, since from these three surnames they are waiting for their Jewish “Messiah” or, in Christian terms, the Antichrist . These surnames are KATs; KAGANOVICH; REZNIK. For example, what do you think the surname of the French singer Patricia Kaas sounds like in Russian???
          5. Protey
            +1
            11 August 2012 19: 45
            In our (unfortunately) absolutely immoral country, many simply do not understand the cynicism of the actions of these creatures.
            1. gojesi
              +1
              12 August 2012 01: 32
              Quote: Protey
              many simply do not understand the cynicism of the actions of these creatures.

              “Creatures” are very well written about in the Judeo-Christian Bible in the “Genesis” section.
              And the morality or immorality of peoples is determined solely by the CULTURE that these Peoples built on the BASIS OF THE CONCEPT!!! And there are only 2 Concepts, Fair - according to the TRUTH, and Unfair - according to LIES. Everything is simple when you understand the processes
          6. Zynaps
            0
            13 August 2012 03: 48
            Quote: AirDefence
            I dare to remind you,


            Just for starters, pull up your pants and read smart books.

            Quote: AirDefence
            that in 1931 the Cathedral of Christ the Savior was blown up on the orders of Stalin himself


            order from Stalin himself - to the barrel!

            Quote: AirDefence
            and the girls in the recreated temple were just kicking their legs


            you allow all sorts of creatures from the street to kick their legs in your house and in general
            conduct all sorts of performances without your permission?

            Quote: AirDefence
            What do you call what the mustachioed man did?


            Did you remember your grandfather?

            Quote: AirDefence
            I’m already silent about how many churches were looted and priests perished in the camps...


            and how much? Since you have undertaken to lay out the Whole Truth here, open your eyes - don’t let me die a fool.
        3. Van
          -1
          11 August 2012 16: 42
          Quote: vvvvv
          AND YOU CAN'T LOOK AT IT OTHERWISE! Everyone should know when to stop!


          I have nothing against power in the style of a wise iron hand, but excuse me, who is stopping you from taking the flag in your hands and leading the people?
          Here are Vladimir Ilyich Lenin and Joseph Vissarionovich Stalin, as well as a number of other equally famous leaders of European countries, they were all ordinary people and nothing more, they were simply able to subjugate millions to their ideas... hi
          1. -4
            11 August 2012 17: 19
            The complexity of the answer does not fit into the reasonableness of its presentation here.
            I believe you understand the answer yourself.
            1. gojesi
              0
              12 August 2012 01: 36
              Quote: vvvvv
              The complexity of the answer does not fit into the reasonableness of its presentation here.

              so as not to flood and if you want to be completely understood by ONE PERSON, but everyone won’t understand a priori, then write in a personal message, which is easier wink
              1. -3
                12 August 2012 02: 16
                I took it to the forum and wrote here that this site does not work - I can neither write personally nor create a post - it gives a user ID error.
                1. -2
                  12 August 2012 10: 10
                  Well, what the......minus?! I write something that is simply impossible to downvote, but one.... I don’t care about bans and stuff. Well, what's going on?! Let's completely remove either me or that idiot who does such things. It is not clear why such op.p.e.zdoles are on the site. It’s not a matter of ratings, this isn’t the first time I’ve been downvoted, but mostly I’m silent. But I don’t want to tolerate such targeted provocations.
                  I left the first direct question as briefly as possible, so as not to say anything more off-topic. I explained to the second person why I couldn’t write in a personal message. And some kind of hoopoe rams me at every comment for no reason.
                  I apologize to everyone for my statement. I just need to get these types of people off the site and I won’t leave it. Either me or him is just my first step and not the last. The truth is more expensive.
                  And the administration, I see, is only generous with bans?! Let's decide somehow - to eliminate errors on the site, issues with anonymous voting and flooding. Those. Everyone floods to some extent, even the moderators. If people talk about something, it means they are interested and want it. And so 90% of people here in the topic can be banned for flooding.
                  Yesterday, 12:53 - I explained everything to the moderator. Will anything be decided based on the user ID?
                  1. Karabekir
                    +1
                    12 August 2012 13: 45
                    Victor!
                    Treat the minuses as philosophically as you do the pluses!
                    The administration has nothing to do with it, every user has the right to put a minus or a plus, even out of personal hostility or to cheat!!
                    1. -5
                      12 August 2012 14: 18
                      It is clear. But when you express a thought, you expect adequate understanding. And targeted terror with minuses is a completely real ideological and other attack that can persuade others to an inadequate perception, causing prejudice. In addition, those who have gained a rating have a greater minus weight and, by putting pressure on others, thus insure themselves against opponents. Those. minus is a very effective action.
                      Yes, the poorest types do this anonymously. I react absolutely normally when people write to me - minus for flooding, or if the opinion is different. And then they slapped me with cons that were completely inadequate.
                      I myself rarely give negative reviews. And even though I had a discussion with your colleague in the ideological struggle, I gave him advantages when at least everything is written logically. I minus when it is obvious that they are lying or are boorish or frostbitten.
                      1. Karabekir
                        +1
                        12 August 2012 14: 32
                        Quote: vvvvv
                        It is clear. But when you express a thought, you count on adequate understanding

                        Victor Don't count on it!!
                        That is, this does not always happen!
                        Quote: vvvvv
                        And targeted terror with minuses is a completely real ideological and other attack that can persuade others to an inadequate perception, causing prejudice. In addition, those who have gained a rating have a greater minus weight and, by putting pressure on others, thus insure themselves against opponents. Those. minus is a very effective action

                        Tell me, what privilege will you have with a large number of pluses and what will you lose with minuses??
                        The only thing that will be limited is the number of your comments, and only if the number of minuses is completely indecent!
                        Thank you for the advantages, even without waiting in line you won’t be able to buy soap!
                        Quote: vvvvv
                        I myself rarely give negative reviews. And even though I had a discussion with your colleague in the ideological struggle, I gave him advantages when at least everything is written logically. Minus when it is obvious lies or boorish, frostbitten

                        This is your position!
                        But not everyone is like you!
                        There are even five fingers on the hands and they are all different!!
                        No one on this site has undertaken to be objective towards you or me!
                      2. Ymidge
                        +3
                        12 August 2012 16: 22
                        Quote: vvvvv
                        I minus when it is obvious that they are lying or are boorish or frostbitten.

                        This is the first position.
                        Quote: vvvvv
                        Yes, the poorest types do this anonymously.

                        And this is the second one. Now explain how they fit together in your objective consciousness?! winked
          2. Nikopol
            +7
            11 August 2012 18: 19
            What are you...ordinary people from ordinary families. It’s not funny myself... A revolution without money is like a wedding night without a bride. If no one helped Lenin - i.e. the money was his, then he is far from an ordinary person. (If I’m not mistaken, respected Lenin was very well helped by his “friends” from Germany).
            1. lotus04
              +1
              12 August 2012 09: 04
              Quote: Nikopol
              (If I’m not mistaken, respected Lenin was very well helped by his “friends” from Germany).


              Make no mistake! But the “friends” from the USA were still in charge.
        4. +7
          11 August 2012 17: 39
          the attitude towards pussies is disgusting - I think they should sit down - but the court should decide and not the president, and especially all sorts of cultural figures, and that is very tense for foreign citizens in general. The call to beat up the empty-headed supporters is probably (someone might not like my opinion) is crap - the worst thing is the RUSSIAN REVOLT when they start with the guilty and end up with everyone who got caught.
          1. Bismarck
            +4
            11 August 2012 18: 51
            zadorin1974,
            Let the pussies be given a suspended sentence of two years and released! If they punish me for something again, the term will become real. But I think these are not the last pussies... No.
            1. +5
              11 August 2012 19: 39
              No, it’s enough to flirt with this abomination, you need to give real deadlines.
              1. Ymidge
                +4
                12 August 2012 16: 28
                If only Madonna had been imprisoned! Madonna on a bucket, headlines all over the world! good
          2. +6
            11 August 2012 19: 00
            Somehow the Russian rebellion is no longer scary, if you rebel against the Pussy, and not against the path, then I’ll probably rebel.
            1. Ymidge
              +4
              12 August 2012 16: 29
              Midshipman,
              A riot under the leadership of the president?..This has never happened in history! wassat
              1. Dahlia
                +2
                12 August 2012 20: 39
                Ymidge,
                Why shouldn't we be the first - a yardstick can't measure everything!!! laughing laughing tongue
      2. Odinplys
        +7
        11 August 2012 15: 44
        Quote: Gamar
        There is a twofold situation here... They won’t give it - it’s a slap in the soul of the Orthodox.

        The spitting has already happened... regardless of whether they give it or not... a well-thought-out spit (by someone)... a test for the reaction... and the unity of the Orthodox People...
        Quote: Gamar
        If they give it, it will raise the ratings of the “pussy”, which will give the West and the “orange” a reason to cry about the violation of human rights to freedom of speech and expression of their political views.

        The rating in whose eyes will rise... and who will scream... Let them scream... that’s the kind of freedom and democracy we have... it suits us... and what does someone’s howl have to do with it... we’re all afraid that some fascist-Zionist...waving his finger....
        I think that less than 10 years...cannot be given...and in the zone the question should be raised so that for the rest of their lives they will curse those who put them up to it...and this is not a matter of anger and hatred....but of science for others.. .there is something sacred...that you cannot touch...
        But in general, I fully support Victor...except for his removal from the site...The rating on the site is all bullshit...for children...the main thing you wrote...someone read it...thought it, comprehended it...formed an opinion ...
        1. +4
          11 August 2012 18: 48
          It’s a disgrace to simply be afraid of this hypocritical “finger” threat. I have no words. Whether the state has “powers” ​​or not, its position must be clearly stated, without any doubt.
        2. Dahlia
          +4
          12 August 2012 09: 32
          Odinplys
          I fully support you - except for the 10 year period. The main thing is that as long as there WAS a term, and the punishment for the desecration of the souls of millions was real, and not ephemeral - SUCH persons would perceive this as a mandate for new “achievements.”
          1. Ymidge
            +5
            12 August 2012 16: 33
            Quote: Dahlia
            SUCH persons will perceive this as a mandate for new “achievements”

            The attack on the Orthodox Church has just begun! Soon these pussies will be like dirt! The “world community” has never wished for money for the collapse of Russia and everything that exists in it. But there will be obscurantists... Yes
            1. Dahlia
              +2
              12 August 2012 20: 32
              Ymidge,
              I agree with you, Nikita, that the attack has just begun. And there’s already enough dirt - what’s “working hard” for pieces of silver, what’s for a pure idea - they just shouted “Atu” - and they rise in orderly ranks! wassat Russia can only be captured if the people’s conscience is destroyed and their soul is corrupted!
      3. Municipality
        +2
        11 August 2012 22: 28
        then there will be fewer cries about human rights violations.

        and you don’t need to look back at the screams, stick to your line, they will respect you more
      4. Zynaps
        +1
        12 August 2012 22: 12
        They won’t give it - it’s a slap in the soul of the Orthodox.

        not only Orthodox. these stupid prostitutes would have danced on the grave of the Unknown Soldier - they have nothing sacred at all - just one performance.

        Quote: Gamar
        If they give it, it will raise the ratings of the “pussy”, which will give the West and the “orange” a reason to cry out about the violation of human rights to freedom of speech and expression of their political views


        and they have sweaty feet in their mouths. but you really can’t imprison fools. dancing badly in a church is disgusting, but not criminally punishable. and a political case cannot be cooked up, because it was all meant to be. proshmandovki are not independent figures. they were pulled out and used for provocation by the organizers and financiers from the white ribbons.

        particularly stubborn citizens can be brought into the framework in a completely legal and very humane way. Previously, the Soviet police had a good way of bringing even very stubborn offenders to their senses. They sought to have the ward imprisoned for 15 days. there the patient began occupational therapy and disciplinary education. if a person continued to drill and dig the ground with his horns, he was left for another 15 days. and so on. I knew one stubborn parasite who was treated this way for about six months. after the dude's final exit, they replaced him.

        There are a lot of unwashed toilets, entrances and uncleaned garbage bins in the country. Six months of occupational therapy at a waste processing plant will give time to the prostitutes to think about their own lives, will not turn them into victims of the system, and at the same time will be instructive for other glamorous lovers of performances at the expense of others - hatred and contempt for work is ingrained in them almost from childhood.

        so the authorities would make it clear: the current shit is waiting for you, dear followers of the pussies!
    3. +5
      11 August 2012 10: 52
      I completely agree - human stupidity gives the idea of ​​infinity.
    4. vova56
      +6
      11 August 2012 10: 57
      Agree! I support it 100%! My thoughts, my words - such a coincidence happens! For pussies and freaks - a real sentence! Iran or with us, or the Americans and the Israelis will hit us in the head, it doesn’t seem like it!
    5. +2
      11 August 2012 11: 39
      vvvvv,
      I totally agree.
      Here are a lot of interesting things about these Pusi:
      http://wonderbull.livejournal.com/153476.html
      http://vvv-ig.livejournal.com/256804.html
      especially an interview with a lawyer.
      1. +6
        11 August 2012 12: 15
        Quote: vvvvv
        I promise: if the authorities don’t give the “pussies” a real deadline and there are no real proposals, then I will simply leave the site. This pointless blah blah blah for the rating is pointless.


        1. What does this have to do with Russian-Iranian relations?
        2. What does your self-removal have to do with it? Do you seriously think that those who decide the deadlines for these fools sit here and listen to the opinions of visitors?
        3. Not everyone has blah blah blah. There are quite a lot of smart people here (well, my personal opinion) who do not write for ratings. And they are simply useful to read for the development of your own intelligence.

        So I'm sorry, but you've got a mustard plaster.
        1. -4
          11 August 2012 12: 53
          Actually, I briefly asked anyone who could open a separate topic. Because I can’t answer you with a personal message or post an article, which I already wrote about in the forum. It gives an invalid user ID...
          And in English it sounds exactly like this and is voiced by all media. It even turns out to be discrimination, that English is possible, but Russian is not... Here I understand Russian nationalists who point out that only Russian nationalism is unacceptable in Russia. But the diasporas adhere to everything for granted, they say and write what they see fit, defending their national identity. They can even “nationally” wear weapons with their suits... Only Russians do not have the right to do this. For me, it’s a Russian costume that comes with a mace.
          And forgive me for bothering you with advice, but on my website I am planning the possibility of writing off “mustard plasters”. For example, if a person promises not to swear, then why not write it off?! This is my proposal.
        2. Ataturk
          0
          11 August 2012 13: 39
          I want to know why I was given a WARNING?
          I don't agree with your decision. I know that swearing does not decorate a person. It’s just that some of our users REALLY scold pen-do-sowls, so I deservedly scold and insult the Persians and I can prove it to you.

          And I really don’t like it when there are double standards.

          It turns out that the USA can be insulted and scolded, but the Persians can’t? So how are they allies?
          And I’m also sure that I didn’t offend any users. Russia included. Russian website. Domain RU. There is freedom of speech.

          Chapter 2. The rights and freedoms of man and citizen
          Article 29
          1. Everyone is guaranteed freedom of thought and speech.
          3. No one can be forced to express or reject their opinions and beliefs.
          4. Everyone has the right to freely seek, receive, transmit, produce and disseminate information in any lawful way. The list of information constituting a state secret is determined by federal law.


          If we punish, then let's punish everyone who criticizes the United States by calling them Yankees or something. Moreover, in the rules of the site there is no such sentence that you cannot insult Iran or any other country.

          Here we are all from the former union. The Persians were the enemies of all the kings of the Russian Empire. I have more than enough documentary evidence to consider the PERSIANS as I described them.

          If you doubt that, I say, if you have people in the FSB, then ask them which country the drugs are going through to Russia. There are only 3 of them.

          1st transit through Tajikistan.
          2nd through IRAN and through Iran 2 ways. One to Azerbaijan, where trucks are not ALLOWED to open. Since the order comes from higher and this is far from the authorities of Azerbaijan, the second route is through Armenia.
          3. Turkmenistan. But it's minuscule.

          The point is not this, but the fact that our citizens are being poisoned. Russian and ours included.

          Taking into account the above information, I ask you to cancel the warning.

          P.S. If you need facts about the “angels” called Persians, write in a personal message, I will send it to you.

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wUtKfGryszY - пища для ума!
        3. Galina
          0
          12 August 2012 22: 43
          Plus for you. The first common sense.
    6. +2
      11 August 2012 12: 12
      You have too high hopes for users, we don’t have party gatherings here, but simply a “circle of interests”, especially take into account that people from different cities are here, about Madonna, Pussy Riot - I’ve already signed petitions against them 10 times, but to no avail this is zero. Madonna will not be banned from entering, people have already come out in our city with posters against this pervert, you understand, a lot of money is made at her concerts, and where the money in power will not care about our opinion, this fool has already bought her own fitness club, either in Moscow, or here in St. Petersburg, you probably understand who will enter there. As for Pusi-Riot, our government does everything with an eye to the West, if they were executed in Iran, then they will be killed and released, these are our laws. You can write a petition on behalf of the site, it’s not difficult, but do you think it will help? I watched their court hearing, the fools sitting there turned on, like I’m not me, the cow is not mine. What other offer do you want from us? Go on strike? Let's get our party into the state. We’ll create a Duma, everyone will be registered there, the homosexuals have submitted an application, then it will be possible to do something real.
      1. FiremanRS
        +8
        11 August 2012 12: 23
        People, please discuss this topic not in this article. If you want thoughts on “pussy”, write an article, contact the site administration to conduct a vote, and so on. But there is no need to reduce an article about the Iranian problem to the showdown in the country.
        1. gojesi
          +1
          11 August 2012 16: 10
          FiremanRS,
          Quote: FiremanRS
          If you want thoughts on “pussy”, write an article, contact the site administration to conduct a vote, and so on. But there is no need to reduce an article about the Iranian problem to the showdown in the country.

          Well, there is already one adequate person in the analysis. What does the very fact of “switching the market” tell me? About the fact that most of us are SRAMS!!! who always, by definition, go to the leading goat!!! But the Ram will never agree with the sad fact that he is a “Baran”, he will argue, shout, be offended and prove that he is the real one...... laughing GOAT :)))
        2. 916-th
          +5
          11 August 2012 18: 23
          I fully support Fireman, it’s a pity that at the very beginning of the discussion of the article on IRAN, there was no one who would stop leading visitors away from this hot topic. By the way, this is not the first time I have observed such a phenomenon on the site. A problematic article appears and an attempt is immediately made to “chat” it on an abstract topic.

          And the article really raises a very controversial issue. It turns out that the Iranian authorities are cutting off the branch they are sitting on. But in the long term, a fallen branch will hurt Russia, depriving it of another distant line of defense. It turns out that for the sake of short-term commercial benefits, Iran is exposing itself and its strategic partner.

          Can anyone explain this short-sightedness (preferably without invoking arguments regarding "puseys")?
          1. gojesi
            +1
            12 August 2012 01: 52
            Quote: 916

            Can anyone explain this short-sightedness (preferably without invoking arguments regarding "puseys")?

            Hello Stanislav!
            I think this is another Putin multi-move, one of his “diagonal knight moves.” The decision to cancel deliveries of the S-300 was made by Medvedev, which once again proves that he was not a pure Putin puppet. And Putin has to sort it out. Now Iran has proposed digging a canal, an alternative to the Panama Canal and thanks to which Russia will have direct access to the Indian Ocean, Syria has asked to join the Customs Union. Iran is helping Syria with its elite special forces. Syria promised territory on the border with Turkey to the Kurds. The Turks had a super headache, which Clinton urgently rushed to treat... There are many more introductory, both positive and negative, that it would be nice for you to analyze, Stanislav... With respect...
      2. -8
        11 August 2012 12: 43
        I hope something can be worked out though. What's the point in just chatter?! Although I also oppose ideologically on other sites. I have already said that I hope that I will launch a large website. You can also connect with this site. Even such an influence is already something. Those. You don’t need to just agitate each other here, but broadly. On LiveJournal, Facebook, YouTube - there their own people slander Russia, being led by provocateurs. I harness myself, politely, but aggressively and reasoned. I think there is an effect.
        There would be a desire, but we’ll figure out how to make at least some real contribution. On my website, for example, I will create a section where I will share the most useful practical knowledge in various fields, including those that are important for military affairs. I already published something here. For example, by explaining in a nutshell, you can increase the technical literacy of site participants. Share different experiences. So, I plan to buy a good “US” thermal imager for 1,5-2 km this year and then I will share my field practice. I have already recommended SASPlanet with a receiver for the most convenient navigation. I even want to finance the improvement of the software so that I can attach several trackers to it. And trackers are cool now, there are some with powerful magnets under the bottom of the car or for family members - personal ones. Yes, there is a lot that can be talked about intelligently.
        1. gojesi
          +4
          12 August 2012 01: 59
          Quote: vvvvv
          I hope something can be worked out though. What's the point in just chatter?! Although I also oppose ideologically on other sites. I have already said that I hope that I will launch a large website. You can also connect with this site

          Victor, I hope you understand that here, on this site, there are a lot of patriots, people who write the word “Motherland” with a capital letter. If your site is pro-Russian, pro-Russian, many of us, and I am the first, will be your frequent guests. And I also want to note for understanding the full picture. Russian, this DOES NOT MEAN ORTHODOX!!! I am Russian, but I am not Orthodox and I would put him in prison because I believe that one cannot demonstratively mock the human soul!!! It’s good that “it’s not my will” and it’s not up to me to decide... Sincerely....
      3. Gemar
        -2
        11 August 2012 13: 06
        Quote: Joker
        We don’t have party gatherings here, but just a “group of interests”

        God willing, the “interest circle” will grow into something more. If they don’t listen to us now, it doesn’t mean they should shut up.
        Quote: Joker
        and where there is money, those in power will not care about our opinions

        Unfortunately this is a fact!
        Quote: Joker
        You can write a petition on behalf of the site

        If anything, I'm with you!
        Quote: Joker
        Let's get our party into the state. we'll create a Duma

        Let's! I propose to appoint Vaf as party secretary.
        1. +1
          11 August 2012 15: 03
          Party Secretary of the CPSU Central Committee smile
          1. -5
            11 August 2012 16: 42
            You shouldn't be laughing. Now the registration of parties has been simplified...
      4. -5
        11 August 2012 16: 40
        Do you think the number of participants is not enough for the party?! wink
    7. Vasi
      +2
      11 August 2012 12: 45
      It is very sad when Christians do not defend their faith! Yes, and Christianity, it seems to me, has changed a lot.... once upon a time, among other values ​​that Christianity brought to the souls of believers, there was also Patriotism and Love for the Motherland. Nowadays Christianity, it seems to me, is becoming more and more commercial. And one more problem: we are all looking for and finding enemies in the USA, England, France, etc., and the enemies, and I think the most terrible ones, are all around us. The Polish writer Bruno Jasenski said beautifully: “Don’t be afraid of your enemies - in the worst case, they can kill you.” - Don’t be afraid of your friends - in the worst case, they can betray you. Fear the indifferent - they do not kill or betray, but only with their tacit consent does betrayal and murder exist on earth.”
      1. Gemar
        0
        11 August 2012 13: 10
        Quote: Ivasi
        Nowadays Christianity, it seems to me, is becoming more and more commercial

        Sad. recourse
        Quote: Ivasi
        Be afraid of the indifferent - they do not kill or betray, but only with their tacit consent does betrayal and murder exist on earth

        Support!
        Quote: FiremanRS
        People, this is not in this article, please discuss this topic

        I apologize for everyone... Really sr...
        Quote: FiremanRS
        But there is no need to reduce an article about the Iranian problem to a showdown in the country

        I apologize again. Just a cry from the heart - it hurts!
        1. FiremanRS
          +2
          11 August 2012 13: 45
          Nothing to apologize for. I myself can’t say anything good - there’s only obscenities in my tongue. But there was already an article for this, and if necessary, write another one or not one, but dozens of articles. A drop wears away a stone, they say. BUT!!! There is no need to translate topics. Another problem is written here. So we are discussing it.
          Where you add or minus, look, a hint pops up - a comment on the topic (not on the topic). I minus not those who have a different opinion from mine, but those who write off topic. So don't blame me.
          1. gojesi
            0
            12 August 2012 13: 59
            Quote: FiremanRS
            I can’t say anything good - only swear words in my tongue.

            once, about ten years ago, he formulated - a man, this is his vocabulary. It was very difficult for me to wean myself not to use swear words and the word that took the longest time was “...mother”, you understand what I mean... But the mere fact that you pay attention to this is commendable! I think that this will soon become widespread.
    8. +3
      11 August 2012 13: 15
      vvvvv, I'll just leave the site
      Hi colleague.
      To spite my mother I will freeze my ears!!!
      And who will remain!? There aren't many decent people...
      “Don’t rush to give yourself away - you haven’t taken everything from life yet!”

      P.S. Well, if you make your own website, please let me know.
      1. -6
        11 August 2012 13: 43
        There is still a sketch. http://atilekt.q-sco.ru/main.aspx
        There should be an information portal with the functions of an online store and the possibility of commerce for users. Also, like your own website inside, a forum, a message system, etc., etc.
        1. 0
          11 August 2012 18: 19
          Well, this is too much... Not only has he taken the topic of discussion away from the topic to God knows where, but he’s also promoting his website... MINUS.
          1. -5
            12 August 2012 02: 38
            The site is not working and is on a test hosting. He doesn't even have a domain. But they dealt with me for a couple of thousand minuses... If I need advertising here, I will formally contact the administration. Promotion of a site will cost at least a million, and you consider a mention somewhere in the wilds of discussions to be advertising...
    9. Protey
      +3
      11 August 2012 14: 01
      I fully support you! In Rostov-on-Don they are going to hold a rally in support of these inchrists. When on the city news site, I called the trick
      these (you correctly called) “Spit in the face of Orthodox Russia”, I was simply pecked!
      1. -5
        11 August 2012 14: 38
        It’s just that different trolls behave actively, while ordinary people behave timidly. In addition, the opponents were 100% not Christians or Orthodox... That is why it is important to wage an ideological struggle. It’s possible with friends too. Orient them towards further propaganda. What did the opponents argue for?
        1. gojesi
          +7
          11 August 2012 16: 21
          Quote: vvvvv
          It’s just that different trolls behave actively, while ordinary people behave timidly. In addition, the opponents were 100% not Christians or Orthodox..

          I, Victor, am not active and not a troll at all. This is the second letter I am writing today and probably the last. According to your classification, I am most likely “ordinary people”. I was in Orthodoxy for 20 years. I know him quite well (academy graduate level) both inside and out. I understand Islam, Judaism, and partly Buddhism... But.....!!!!! The point is that HERE, NOW, THERE IS A TALK ABOUT IRAN!!! How is your perception???
          1. -10
            11 August 2012 16: 56
            Along the way, while there is no separate topic, we mentioned a little about something else. Only...
          2. +3
            11 August 2012 17: 23
            Quote: gojesi
            HERE, NOW, THERE IS A TALK ABOUT IRAN!!!

            +++ Don’t you think, dear citizens, that all the fuss with Iranian claims is a farce? Or a multi-way combination designed for certain reactions? I don’t see the point, but surely there should be one?
            1. +1
              11 August 2012 23: 17
              Quote: Drednout
              ++ Don’t you think, dear citizens, that all the fuss with Iranian claims is a farce? Or a multi-way combination designed for certain reactions? I don’t see the point, but surely there should be one?


              Initially, a version flashed through the media that this lawsuit was a popular combination designed to facilitate deliveries in spite of sanctions, something like “we didn’t want to, but we had to,” but in light of recent events, I don’t even know......
            2. gojesi
              0
              12 August 2012 02: 04
              Quote: Drednout
              I don’t see the point, but surely there should be one?

              Of course there is a point :) This is the Law! If there is an ACTION, then there will definitely be a RESULT!!!
          3. 916-th
            +4
            11 August 2012 18: 35
            Gojesi:
            HERE, NOW, THERE IS A TALK ABOUT IRAN!!!

            Alexander, unfortunately I have to amend your words - HERE SHOULD LET'S TALK ABOUT IRAN!!!

            In fact, we are witnessing an attempt to divert the discussion from the problematic topic - first “pussy”, then they inappropriately remembered Stalin, moved on to Kaganovich, then the topic of religions followed...

            Anything, the whole spectrum of populism, but not IRAN and his short-sighted policies! This in itself is very significant; a serious suspicion arises that this is not a spontaneous “flow” of thoughts along the tree, but consciously applied verbal technologies.
            1. Bismarck
              +3
              11 August 2012 18: 54
              Quote: 916
              Anything, the whole spectrum of populism, but not IRAN and its short-sighted policies

              And don’t try to interrupt, it’s hooked! wassat
            2. gojesi
              0
              12 August 2012 02: 09
              Quote: 916

              Alexander, unfortunately I have to amend your words

              I completely agree with you Stanislav, as a passionate and passionate person, which is easily seen from my photograph, I often get into off-topic arguments and what is called “off-color.” I apologize for the flood! Everyone who knows you is waiting for your new survey :)
              As for the conscious use of verbal technologies for distraction... Then you are an expert! Shouldn’t you write an article about this with examples, including this one??? Sincerely...
    10. veins
      0
      11 August 2012 15: 24
      but why and what will this give? It’s about voting. Yes, on all sites, as you say blah blah blah. it doesn’t give anything
    11. +11
      11 August 2012 16: 13
      I'm not going to be anonymous, that's my attitude, even if I get banned for this photo. But those who fill the halls with this “mad p.....” have what on the bottom instead of a head? angry
      1. 0
        11 August 2012 17: 27
        Guys!!! If you really feel like it, fight these devils with the most unexpected and deadly weapon for them - ignoring them! Whatever they say about them is grist for their mill! Anathema on them, period.
      2. +1
        11 August 2012 19: 05
        Bitches, sitting there smiling.. Is this a punishment or something?
    12. 0
      11 August 2012 16: 32
      So what do you mean by anonymity in voting? I’ll tell you straight out that I think your post is a provocation! Quite unceremonious, just like this! )
      The image shows a model of the MBT "ARMATA". )
      http://www.militaryparitet.com/perevodnie/data/ic_perevodnie/3340/
      “I promise: if the authorities don’t give the “pussies” a real term and there are no real proposals, then I will simply leave the site. This stupid blah blah blah for the rating is pointless.” Do you copy and paste from Vysotsky?
      1. Bismarck
        +5
        11 August 2012 18: 58
        Quote: ATATA
        : if the authorities don’t give the “pussies” a real deadline and there are no real proposals, then I’ll simply leave the site

        I've heard this before somewhere; - you don’t love me, you don’t listen, you’re not at all interested in my problems, this is unbearable, I’m going to my mother! crying
        1. Ymidge
          +3
          12 August 2012 16: 38
          Quote: Bismarck
          Somewhere I already heard similar

          Who hasn't heard!!! Usual womanish blackmail! The X chromosome sometimes takes over in the male body! hi
    13. +1
      11 August 2012 16: 33
      Purely Jewish approach. I started with the S-300 and ended with the Pussy.
      1. -8
        11 August 2012 16: 57
        There is someone to learn from, as the great Lenin bequeathed.
    14. Municipality
      +1
      11 August 2012 22: 14
      WWW
      he emphasized the right topic, people who speak out against Russia or humiliate its people should at least officially become persona non grata and be harshly voiced in the Russian press (the country must know its “heroes”), as for pussies for a long time (what would be the correct name for them without swearing) and let them rejoice, somewhere in a terrible place they would be carried out of the mosque in parts
    15. +5
      11 August 2012 22: 20
      VVVVV, here is my answer. And for those who go to Madonna’s concerts, what’s in their heads? request
    16. 0
      11 August 2012 22: 28
      Well, Alexey Volodin responded to “expert” Denis Dvornikov’s call to help Iran, and he didn’t have to wait long for an opportunity.

      Quote: vvvvv
      I wanted to ask who can bring up another topic for discussion?!

      - maybe not? True, I’m already tired of reading the name 3,14...rvanok every day in news announcements, which is also vulgar in English.
      1. +5
        11 August 2012 22: 47
        Summing up.

        The topic was called “A Tub of Cold Water for Iran.” That is, about Iran.

        Only in this part the following topics were discussed:

        1. Pussy+Madonna
        2. The Russian Orthodox Church together with the patriarch
        3. Opening of the site by a friend vvvvv
        4. Lenin, Stalin, Kaganovich.
        5. Registration of a party, I don’t know who and why.

        90% of posts are about nothing.

        So: many people are offended by me. Some (2) are true. But from tomorrow I promise simply terror for flooding and left-wing posts.

        Everything has been agreed upon with Vadim Smirnov. So no offense.
        1. +2
          12 August 2012 01: 35
          Party of the Central Committee of the CPSU I ask you to notice, and don’t understand who laughing I think we need to contact the site administration to set up a small mini chat in which we can talk about everything, or rather chat a little smile
          1. spender
            +1
            12 August 2012 01: 38
            Quote: Joker
            I think we need to contact the site administration to set up a small mini chat in which we can talk about everything, or rather chat a little

            Oleg, on many sites there are rooms where you can meet and have fun without getting banned. If you can push Smirnov (by the way, he is a really adequate person, personally tested) then only Respect to you!!!
            1. Karabekir
              0
              12 August 2012 13: 46
              Quote: spender
              Oleg, on many sites there are rooms where you can meet and have fun without getting banned. If you can push Smirnov (by the way, he is a really adequate person, personally tested) then only Respect to you!!!

              I completely agree with you and support!
        2. spender
          0
          12 August 2012 01: 45
          Quote: Banshee
          But from tomorrow I promise simply terror for flooding and left-wing posts.

          Are you taking on the role of a judge? Don't overstrain yourself... laughing
          1. -6
            12 August 2012 02: 10
            And I’ve already had 2 bans in the topic and completely downvoted. Like an advertisement for a third-party resource. That's bullshit. The site is not working and is on a test hosting. This is reprisal.
            Banshee, I don't agree with the ban.
            1. spender
              0
              12 August 2012 02: 15
              Quote: vvvvv

              And I’ve already had 2 bans in the topic and completely downvoted. Like an advertisement for a third-party resource. That's bullshit. The site is not working and is on a test hosting. This is reprisal.

              Victor, the guy really went too far, but how can you raise the authority of your loved one only with a whip. Because of this... I got two warnings a day, but I couldn’t even really say for what. wassat Fortunately, I’m not going to chat here for a long time, but tomorrow at the end of the day I will fight back against this “Yezhov” laughing
              1. -6
                12 August 2012 04: 30
                So he himself discusses recipes for alcoholic drinks in the topic about airplanes...
                I suggested that he give himself a ban as well.
                At the end of the topic, I suggested how to solve the flood problem.
                1. Karabekir
                  0
                  12 August 2012 13: 49
                  and in general, 50 percent of the warnings issued to them are unfounded and are usually canceled by admins!
                  Apparently the person is vindictive and inadequate!
              2. Oleg0705
                -5
                12 August 2012 10: 42
                spender,

                black mark you say, well, well
        3. +2
          12 August 2012 02: 00
          Quote: Banshee
          90% of posts are about nothing

          Oh, I agree, not just about anything, but even very outright nonsense, gorged on sensations by half-educated people am
          1. spender
            +2
            12 August 2012 02: 03
            Quote: Old Rocketman
            Oh, I agree, not just about anything, but even very outright nonsense, gorged on sensations by half-educated people

            Igor, I propose to go further and introduce executions of half-educated people who have eaten sensations laughing
          2. -4
            12 August 2012 04: 34
            Do you compensate for the lack of arguments with epithets?!
    17. REPA1963
      -1
      12 August 2012 00: 21
      So, do you mean you are a Christian? You keep fasts, read prayers, then this is good, but if you eat vodka and meat while true believers drink water with black bread (New Year), then this is bad...
    18. ZKBM-BUT
      +1
      12 August 2012 17: 50
      "Pusya" on the count. and let the dogs from the west bark. and in general this whole West has been rotten for a long time. It’s difficult to even call them people, rather impossible. and there’s no need to even bother about what they will say about us. It’s better to be afraid of what we say about them.
    19. alex13st
      0
      12 August 2012 21: 18
      There is no need to go anywhere. And there is no need to discuss anything. This performance has a purpose. They would have been given an administrative job on the quiet or a conditional hooligan, or in extreme cases they would have been allowed to flog them right in the church. And here is some kind of farce. Trolling, if you will. Aimed at another split or something. And I think the authorities are “in the know” here. Don't throw slippers at me. This is a common crime and a normal healthy government would sort it out in a week. How long have they been murmuring here? They play with us like kittens, we don’t need to fall for such scams. IMHO.
    20. yak69
      0
      13 August 2012 00: 08
      What proposals will there be? Are there any specifics? Who will we hit in the face, where and when?
      Ready to join.
  2. -13
    11 August 2012 08: 32
    What's an interesting scenario: Russia joins the anti-Iranian coalition and then receives its share of Iran's oil pie in the event of an attack on it!? As a version - why not?! The benefit is obvious, and the field for diplomatic maneuvers is the widest! In general, the Persians need to be more careful with the “bazaar”. As you know, “greed ruined the fraer.”
    1. +9
      11 August 2012 08: 34
      After such words, you have no right to blame anyone for anything. This is called being corrupt.
      Now let's see how other people assess the situation.
      1. +1
        12 August 2012 20: 01
        I read your comments - the ravings of a madman, at best, just nonsense. Firstly, I expressed only a version of a possible development of events; secondly, I did not reproach anyone. Regarding venality - see above sad
    2. +7
      11 August 2012 08: 46
      Quote: Doc

      And what an interesting situation it turns out to be: Russia joins the anti-Iranian coalition with the subsequent receipt of its share of Iran’s oil pie in the event of an attack on it!

      Lord, who is talking about what, and the naked one is talking about a shirt fool With such versions in the Pentagon, people sit sharing other people's property. They will solve the problem with Iran and there is no point in making a catastrophe out of the situation. We’ll come to an agreement, and if not, Medvedev will pay from his own pocket, probably from his own.
      1. +8
        11 August 2012 09: 27
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        We’ll come to an agreement, and if not, Medvedev will pay from his own pocket, probably from his own.

        Alexander, no one is going to negotiate with Russia, and the 20th century is an example of this from beginning to end!
        1. +4
          11 August 2012 09: 34
          Valery, the situation today is not simple, and there is no one except Russia to ask for protection from the amers.
      2. 0
        12 August 2012 20: 08
        Alexander, it is incorrect to take a piece from the entire message, so much so that the whole meaning is lost! I repeat, this is a version. Only. “Medvedev will pay from his own pocket, probably from his own.” You probably started celebrating Air Force Day early in the morning? No offense drinks
    3. +4
      11 August 2012 09: 19
      Quote: Doc
      Russia joins the anti-Iranian coalition with the subsequent receipt of its share of Iran's oil pie in the event of an attack on it!?

      If you think that oil pies are divided by any Western countries, then in my opinion you are deeply mistaken! No matter how trivial this may sound, the whole point is a lot of money that some guys from transnational companies are reaching for, so any national interests of various countries have absolutely nothing to do with it.
      So, apart from hemorrhoids for Russia, I personally don’t see anything in your version!
    4. +7
      11 August 2012 09: 47
      Quote: Doc
      : Russia joins the anti-Iranian coalition with the subsequent receipt of its share of Iran's oil pie

      And who will accept her there? The leaders there are concerned only with their own interests, which are directly opposed to Russia’s
    5. +4
      11 August 2012 11: 04
      everyone has only one goal, the Caspian. If we let Iran die, a very big headache awaits us - everyone is aware of this, and therefore the Euro-assholes are adding fuel to the fire in the hope of shaking up the situation until content that we don’t need is activated.
      1. pribolt
        +2
        11 August 2012 15: 29
        Quote: hert
        everyone has only one goal, the Caspian. If we let Iran die, a very big headache awaits us - everyone is aware of this, and therefore the Euro-assholes are adding fuel to the fire in the hope of shaking up the situation until content that we don’t need is activated.


        I agree with the position of the Russian authorities, Iran looks ungrateful in its claims, to put it mildly, and Russia has the opportunity to dominate in the Caspian Sea, unlike our neighbors there
        1. -1
          11 August 2012 18: 03
          During attacks on nuclear facilities, there will still be a leak of radiation, because the facilities are scattered throughout Iran, the civilian population will swarm and refugees will run - to the Azeris and maybe to the Armenians (this is first - land and housing are already being bought in Azerbaijan) and then we are next in line. We and our Nazis can’t settle things normally, they do whatever they want in Russia, this joy will still come. Domination in the Caspian Sea - what are you talking about, man? - if the departure of the Russian population continues at the same pace (regardless of where, either to the central regions or to the next world ) the Caspian Sea will be alien in 10-15 years, just like the Far East
    6. FiremanRS
      +5
      11 August 2012 12: 25
      Russia is not joining. Russia is withdrawing from protecting Iranian nuclear programs, and only if the Iranian leadership does not cool down its ardor.
    7. -8
      11 August 2012 13: 45
      I think there will be more harm than good. And it is in this case that your saying “greed ruined the fratern” will be true.
  3. +9
    11 August 2012 08: 34
    International agreements were created for the purpose of violating them or circumventing them, the main thing is beautiful. Behind all this fuss there is some kind of understatement. Moscow seems to have fulfilled its obligations and Iran seems to be very dissatisfied, but somehow the air defense system appeared, either Chinese roofing felts or some other kind, scold scold the main thing make more noise, you'll be able to sneak something else in.
    1. +11
      11 August 2012 08: 59
      Yes, it's a strange story. Well, I can’t believe that Iran, without any consultation with the Russian side, took and filed a lawsuit, and even got an absurd amount of compensation. Everything is too obvious for the East. Well, the Persians really aren’t fools. All this reminds me of a poker game, where two people conspire to fool a third... And five divisions may already be there, and something else, because Iran and we have nowhere to retreat.
      1. with
        +5
        11 August 2012 10: 25
        Quote: jungar
        All this reminds me of a game of poker, where two people conspire to fool a third....

        100%!!!))) bully
        They also exchange cards under the table!!! hi
      2. +4
        11 August 2012 10: 39
        International sanctions are an excuse. They talk about offensive weapons. When did anti-aircraft weapons begin to be considered an offensive weapon?
        Citizen Medvedev D.A. caved in to the West, and now Russia has hemorrhoids. The author is not entirely right; from the legal side, Iran is right, which was confirmed by Swiss judges, obliging Russia to pay $4 billion.
        In this case, due to the stupidity of citizen Medvedev, the West lowered Russia below the plinth, and, playing on Iran’s ambitions, drove them into a corner. Whatever the decision, both countries remain losers, and the West gains points.
        1. +4
          11 August 2012 11: 08
          And who are the Swiss judges, a gang of idiots who have endowed themselves with some kind of rights?
          1. Shulz-1955
            0
            11 August 2012 17: 59
            The Western court is a pack of wolves who judge the poor sheep
        2. Gemar
          0
          11 August 2012 13: 20
          Quote: Gamdlislyam
          both countries remain losers, and the West gains points.

          Exactly! Medvedev, of course, did not make the decision himself... Someone’s multi-move is clearly visible here. Someone knows in advance how all this will turn out.
  4. itr
    +5
    11 August 2012 08: 34
    I have only one conclusion. Thieves don't know how to trade
    1. +13
      11 August 2012 09: 16
      itr
      I have only one conclusion. Thieves don't know how to trade


      Buddy!
      Not entirely accurate

      Mercury (god of trade) In mythology, he is the protector of TRADE and FRAUDERS.
      This means that anyone who is engaged in trading .................!
      1. +1
        11 August 2012 17: 47
        Alex, hello buddy!
        But what about Nikolai Ugodnik?
        He is the patron saint of sailors, but also of archers and prostitutes!
        And I liked about trading! lol
        1. Gemar
          +1
          11 August 2012 19: 28
          Quote: Drednout
          But what about Nikolai Ugodnik?
          He is the patron saint of sailors, but also of archers and prostitutes!

          Not funny! sad He is the patron saint of travelers (including sailors, travelers), merchants and children.
          Quote: Drednout
          And I liked about trading!

          I support! In general, I am impressed by many of Rusvolk’s statements. I just read it and get enlightened!
  5. +9
    11 August 2012 08: 36
    Why have we taken everyone’s word for thousands of years? We don’t have sincere friends, and probably never have
    1. Warik
      0
      11 August 2012 09: 10
      only comrades
      1. veins
        +1
        11 August 2012 15: 28
        and that's due to misfortune
    2. +9
      11 August 2012 09: 43
      andrei332809 RU "...we don't have sincere friends, and probably never have"
      Why the hell do we need these American friends? It seems one of the last tsars said that RUSSIA has only two friends - the ARMY and the NAVY!!!
      Today I would add AVIATION and ROCKET troops to these friends!!!
    3. 0
      11 August 2012 11: 12
      .......and it won’t. As Comrade Stalin said, Russia has only one ally - its army... and historical chronicles have repeatedly confirmed this
      1. 0
        13 August 2012 00: 13
        Actually it was said like this:

        Russia has only two allies: its army and navy

        Words of the Russian Emperor Alexander 3 the Peacemaker (1845-1894)
  6. +9
    11 August 2012 08: 44
    Everything is said correctly. Our liberal-minded Prime Minister Aifosha, when he was president, did an idiotic act by refusing to supply S300 to Iran, but this is a thing of the past. Now, in connection with this risk, we have two options: either supply Iran with these weapons by sending them to X shit-cratizers, we will not violate anything... or give Iran a slap in the face for its tendency to do dirty tricks... the first option in this situation is not very acceptable.. But the second, just right Iran, in the light of the current situation, should know its place, and know that as soon as Russia sends Irn to distant places... there will immediately be those who want to bomb the ayatol in the Stone Age.
    1. Rezun
      +3
      11 August 2012 09: 12
      I can’t agree with you, Sakhalin resident, there is no choice.
      It is necessary to firmly explain simple truths - "...the giving hand is not bitten..."
      1. veins
        +2
        11 August 2012 15: 29
        they bite... they still bite.....
    2. 0
      11 August 2012 11: 18
      In a large family they don’t click... Have you ever spoiled your relationship with your wife... and it’s the same here...
    3. Abramovich
      +4
      11 August 2012 13: 58
      Quote: Sakhalininets
      Our liberal-minded Prime Minister Aifosha, when he was president, did an idiotic act by refusing to supply S300 to Iran, but this is a thing of the past.


      Are you so naive as to believe that the soft-bodied nerd Medvedev decided something without Putin’s approval? Be honest with yourself, it’s unpleasant for you to admit the fact that the dork Putin caved in to the West, so they found a scapegoat.

      In Russia there are such traditions, everything good is Vova-Kimono, everything crooked is Dima-iPhone and someone else can be blamed on someone else. Let’s take the events of August 2008, films have already appeared that supposedly Medvedev showed indecision and took three days to decide what to do, but Putin immediately abandoned the Olympics and personally flew in to give orders.

      I will surprise the author of the article, the Russian tough position is absolutely not at all a factor in restraining Israel and NATO in the Iranian issue, don’t flatter yourself. The only factor is the cowardice of Hussein Obama, if the great commander and cowboy George Bush were in power, they would have already kicked their butts Persian idiots with towels on their heads! am

      And in general, what are you sad about out of some four billion? Yes, Uncle Sam will print it for you if you behave. We can send you oranges if anything, vitamins obviously won’t hurt you, otherwise you won’t get far on starch and diluted water. lol
      1. -5
        11 August 2012 14: 43
        In the first part, I think I agree. But you will agree that in life it usually turns out that if someone shows off a lot, then from above they are rewarded according to their deserts. I think so.
        So you show a vivid example of Israeli aggression...
        Who will love you after this?!
        1. Abramovich
          -3
          11 August 2012 16: 23
          Let's get to the point, these populist slogans about Israeli aggression are everywhere, but what does it consist of?

          Conflict with the Arabs? This is what the Arabs of the world would like - there would be peace. Calling Israel an occupier is completely nonsense. Anyone who does this simply denies the thousand-year history and connection of Jews with historical lands. Ignoring historical facts and rewriting history in one’s own way, based only on the last couple of centuries - will not make these lands Arab and Jews occupiers. We have more rights to Israel than Russia, to the Caucasus or Siberia.

          If we talk about Iran, I wonder if aggression is when Iranian leaders, including the clergy, the head of state and all ministers, openly call for the destruction of the state and nation, or when Israel in response threatens to destroy everything to hell in order to prevent this threat?

          For example, India and Pakistan also have nuclear weapons, but I don’t remember Israel ever threatening to bomb Islamabad and Delhi, or calling on the United States to do so.

          And no one seems to demand special love for themselves, but they will have to take us into account and communicate as equals. hi
          1. -5
            11 August 2012 17: 14
            So what I mean is that I am not calling for bombing Israel or Iran, or killing anyone. And you call. What is better then than the radicals of Islam?!
            To think that Iran will resort to aggression against Israel is naive, it is suicide. But the US is pushing Iran towards this with sanctions. Iran finds someone nearby to fuck in response. And Israel closes the circle of mutual threats. It would be possible to resolve the issue without all this, only by all parties indicating that the first aggressor will receive a response from everyone.
            And I see real aggression all over the world from the United States - they are undoubtedly the main evil in the modern world. And others begin to behave similarly. I already wrote to you earlier that I do not need radical Islamism. And the point is not at all about this Islamism, nor directly about Syria or Iran. This can only be true for Israel. Russia is surrounded on all sides and this expansion cannot be contested. Now there will also be Central Asia. And the US will continue to kill at the hands of al-Qaeda and other militants. And they initiate the hysteria of terrorism. I already wrote this to you too. The CIA is behind radical Islamism and pulls the strings of peoples and countries, including Israel.
            And you yourself have put yourself in the role of an opponent here and in general. Is not it?!
            And no one seems to demand special love for themselves, but they will have to take us into account and communicate as equals.

            Does anyone object?! But only if you yourself act in the same way towards others.
          2. +2
            11 August 2012 17: 55
            Quote: Abramovich
            We have more rights to Israel than Russia, the Caucasus or Siberia.

            You have rights to Birobidzhan, dear Abramovich.
            And the verbal diarrhea of ​​the Iranian ayatollahs regarding the destruction of Israel has been heard for how many decades?

            But in general terms - honestly, this state is 2,5 times smaller than Dagestan and 5 times smaller than the Saratov region! He wets everyone on all sides and spits on “opinion” worse than the amers themselves.
            1. 0
              11 August 2012 19: 46
              Drednout (1) RU "...this state is worth admiring..."
              We are talking about Israel here. Found someone to “admire”?! This is just the tip of the iceberg! Look who is behind it and no explanation is needed!
              For example, if RUSSIA today just as unconditionally supported Syria and Iran and didn’t care about this whole “shitcratic” community, then these countries could also be admired... True, they are already worthy of ADMIRATION” because with such "sparse" support from Russia, continue to resist these monsters!
          3. +1
            11 August 2012 19: 27
            Quote: Abramovich
            Anyone who does this simply denies the thousand-year history and connection of Jews with historical lands. Ignore historical facts and rewrite history in their own way, based only on the last couple of centuries

            This is exactly what, Mr. Abramovich, your co-religionists have been doing on the territory of Rus' over the past four centuries, in order, as you say, to break the historical connection of the Rosses, for example, with the Tin Islands, where our native white-flammable stone lies (the British Isles today) . Whoever had time, ate it. There was no point in clicking a mitten during the time of Pontius Pilate and betraying Christ. Which is basically what you still pay for to this day.
      2. Oleg0705
        -1
        11 August 2012 22: 49
        Abramovich,
        hi
    4. REPA1963
      -5
      12 August 2012 00: 31
      Do you really seriously think that LADY could have decided this on his own without VVP’s order? However, you have a wild imagination
  7. +6
    11 August 2012 08: 47
    In another article similar to this one, I already wrote that our "......" in the government behaved incorrectly, threatening Iran with a refusal of support. It was necessary to fulfill the obligations under the contract, since Russia did not violate international agreements on the supply of deterrent weapons. If we fall out with Iran and China takes a step back, then Iran is finished. And then the Caucasus will flare up. And so he came, such a great end to calm prosperity.
  8. +6
    11 August 2012 08: 47
    I am still haunted by the brutal massacre of Gaddafi. Although nothing there foreshadowed complications before the famous statement.
    1. 0
      11 August 2012 18: 08
      Quote: makano
      brutal massacre of Gaddafi

      Well, yes - and Hussein? Was it really necessary for the West to hang him? Although, of course, this is not “dear” Breivik.
  9. +10
    11 August 2012 08: 55
    Russia, in any case, will be an enemy of this coalition, because military action against Iran is not some kind of armed conflict in Syria, Libya or Iraq. This is a real full-fledged war on the borders of our Motherland (with all that it entails) and we will lose much more than we gain if we take the side of the so-called coalition.
    1. -1
      12 August 2012 00: 19
      Kostya RU “This is a real full-fledged war on the borders of our Motherland...”
      Here I agree with you, but this is on the borders of OUR MOTHERLAND, and not of those who rule RUSSIA today...
  10. +10
    11 August 2012 09: 08
    It has been said more than once that if Yugoslavia had the S-300, they would not have done what they did to it. Iran does not want a similar fate for itself. That's why it presses. Imagine yourself in their place.
    1. +3
      11 August 2012 09: 15
      they don’t need to put pressure, but to thank and ask. The pressure hasn’t grown. And they need to install complexes, but for gold, not for bucks. That would be a precedent
      1. +3
        11 August 2012 11: 03
        Quote: andrei332809
        for gold, not for dollars. That would be a precedent

        I completely agree.
        Quote: andrei332809
        they don’t need to put pressure, but to thank and ask

        I don't agree. When a group of comrades wants to “soak” you in the entrance, and the neighbor does not want to give you a kitchen knife (no matter what the reason), then all the good attitude instantly evaporates. (What difference does it make that your neighbor was a good neighbor in the past if you are going to be KILLED NOW)
    2. nmd_1
      0
      12 August 2012 08: 26
      You are naive, unfortunately. War has long been won not only with weapons. In 1991, before 91 after 91, we had the S-300 and a bunch of tanks, planes, ships, the strongest army in the world, so what? They did to us what later happened to Yugoslavia, they destroyed the country from the inside, and direct aggression was the last stage.
  11. +6
    11 August 2012 09: 19
    Well, why beat the dishes... International sanctions did not prohibit the supply of S-300 to Iran... This is entirely an initiative of the Russian Jewish lobby.. About the Iranian nuclear program... they themselves have a mustache... and they don’t need any kind of support.. . about the lawsuit... not only our courts are stupid... so flies are separate... cutlets are separate... the article is another information war stuffing... minus..
    1. +2
      11 August 2012 09: 49
      ward RU
      I completely agree with you, I gave you a plus!
  12. Warik
    +2
    11 August 2012 09: 22
    Taking advantage of the fact that Russia cannot surrender Iran, the Iranians decided to ignore Russia’s attitude towards them in favor of money. Hence the conclusion: 1) everything is bad 2) our and Iranian authorities are dismantling such a party, the specific purpose of which no one can even imagine.
  13. Shooter308ful
    +30
    11 August 2012 09: 32
    The absence of a coherent policy of Russia in the geopolitical aspect in relation to the countries of the B. East, such as Syria and Iran at the moment, and, on the contrary, the purposeful policy of all the included forces in NATO, the EU, their mongrels - all this leads to the fact that so far all those that are beginning to form the alliances of Russia, China, and Iran never reach the stage of maturation and formalization of these alliances. On the contrary, we see how cleverly all sorts of wedges are driven into these emerging Unions.
    Russia at the moment does not have a clear core of ideology within the country - hence the consequence - prostitutes from this type of punk group are actively and purposefully protected by all the pseudo-democratic leaders of all Western and overseas countries. I repeat, purposefully and systematically they hammer through the media our awareness of reality. The question is why? My answer is that Russia, represented by its people, will remain after the collapse of the USSR without an internal core of self-awareness and self-goal. The goals and ideals that were formed by the people themselves over the millennia of their lives and not those that were indicated to them from pseudo-democracy.
    And here’s a fact: people without self-goal and self-awareness can be bent in any direction like a sheet of paper.
    The example is so relevant and obvious - this is the protracted trial of enraged prostitutes who desecrated the Orthodox shrines of the Russian and Russian peoples. The fact of their suspended sentence will set an example for others like those brought up in the spirit of the Western media on how to become a “star” on a global scale; all you have to do is “crap” the souls of people in their churches and not give a damn about humane standards of life and morality. Become, for example, a fagot, take boys into your education, make fagots out of them, while calling on other people to join these ranks, actively promoting this. And the most interesting thing is that you will then become a “star” in all the media of the West and the USA - thereby defending their democratic freedoms. People of Russia, it’s time to open your eyes and call things by their proper names!!!!
    It’s time to actively defend the principles and ideals of philanthropy and peace, and not bend under the onslaught of the Satanic hordes, which are purposefully, systematically and continuously imposed on us as true democracy and the rule of people’s lives. Get rid of this dirt! A homosexual or other outcast cannot create a family and continue the human race, and this leads to the extinction and degradation of the human race, and Satan’s spawn, through all its media, tells us that THIS is right, beautiful, democratic and you are the true “hero” of “human” values .
    So it was necessary to realize THIS yesterday, and now to actively defend it, and tomorrow to attack for the true ideals of Peace, Goodness and Philanthropy.
    1. -1
      11 August 2012 09: 48
      I give a thumbs up for such a comment - it’s informative and shows a person with clear thinking and well-spoken speech. I'm very happy. This would be developed in a separate post... Because. I think that such things as with these mad people - we could also influence this. Anything. For example, I altruistically “fight” on this other resource
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xQccJiZj4c&lc=wUU5uscmpKzhoqNGd1Yoc7Mpt9KI8pllYz
      1xTp3Wunc&feature=inbox.
      and not unsuccessfully... There they indiscriminately slandered Russian tourists, like all the Russians entered into a discussion with me, but as a result the opponent gave up wink
      In addition, I always turn people against some such things, including aggressively... I’m not a fighter, but I’d like to punch a supporter in the face...
      1. Shooter308ful
        +11
        11 August 2012 14: 55
        Thank you, my friend vvvvv, but I’m not a speaker and I didn’t graduate from academies, I live in the Russian outback, I’m a simple hard worker and there are thousands, if not millions, like me with the same views on what I described above. And let the rulers hear our quiet voices before they become a hurricane that washes away THIS shit.
  14. +6
    11 August 2012 09: 33
    On the one hand, Iran’s position resembles a 16-18 year old teenager with his ambition. I learned to speak, but I don’t know who and what I can say, especially for the consequences. But this is one of the trends in his development as a person. Something similar is happening with Iran. And this is a common situation. During initial development, everyone listens and takes the help offered. But the moment comes when “the bird flies from the nest.” And there is already reality with its own foundations and requirements.
    But the statement that Russia will refuse to provide assistance in “peaceful atom” nuclear programs is not worthy of a strong man.
    We must not forget that a “holy place” is never empty. Now there is fierce competition for the division of political and power influence in the BV, primarily between the old “friends” of Rush and Amerikan. for whom the whole world has been and will be the arena of their mutual confrontation.
    In such conditions, these statements given to anyone can play into the hands of the main opponent in this race of influence.
    And no one will be able to guarantee that if Russia refuses Iran, the Amers will not offer their services (so what, but they know how to play hypocrisy and get in without soap). No one can predict the consequences of such a turn.
    The conclusion from here is - think about what you say and don’t forget what you wanted to have when you started thinking.
    1. 0
      11 August 2012 09: 48
      I watched boxing with the participation of a teenager and, one might say, a mature person... a heartbreaking sight...
    2. 0
      11 August 2012 09: 57
      I agree that there is ambition. But Iran is Persia - it is an ancient civilization. Russia could have expected Iran to more clearly bow down and squeeze out some preferences. BUT, THEY DO NOT DO THIS TO THE ALLIES, AND THEY DO NOT DO THIS WITH RESPECT. When there is no sincere support in politics, but only benefits, then no one will meet you and behave sincerely with you. It is necessary to build tactics on a primary type of act of good will, expecting the same response. However, as was already said above, I also think that there cannot but be Russia playing with Iran “for one pocket”... But there is no certainty that Russia is not trying to play “for one pocket” at the same time with the West.. In politics this is generally normal, but in reality it looks like the whole world is rotten based on purely profit...
      1. 0
        11 August 2012 10: 21
        Unfortunately you are right...plus..
        1. -7
          11 August 2012 13: 06
          And here it doesn’t matter at all whether someone is right or wrong, because... there is an objective reality and a created system. And within the framework of this system, events cannot develop otherwise and there cannot be any other values. I just said a fact, there is no need to guess. THE CAPITALIST SYSTEM determines everything - these are the rules of the game, certain frameworks, and we are all in this system and cannot play differently. Another thing is that Russia began to outplay the West according to their rules and they got cold feet and howled.
    3. 0
      11 August 2012 11: 23
      One solution to the problem: obey the court decision and pay the Persians 4 limards. Then increase the cost of our assistance to them under the nuclear program by a similar amount. Everyone is happy and drinks sherbet. If the Persians really did not demand 4 limeards, then this will be their chance to return the money without losing face.
      1. Ataturk
        -3
        11 August 2012 11: 28
        Quote: redthreat
        Then increase the cost of our assistance to them under the nuclear program by a similar amount.


        Have you ever communicated or dealt with Persians? Do you know the difference when PERS sells and buys?

        You ask the customs officers of Azerbaijan, who are familiar with Iranian cheap and low-quality goods that are worth nothing. But when selling it they say it’s as if this powder or soap is almost from holy land.

        And for their penny, they are ready to sell their own mother. I know that for the sake of profit they are ready to swear falsely and act hypocritically.

        We won't go far. Azerbaijan has a Karabakh problem. They tell us one thing, but in Armenia something else. AMBASSADORS.

        So, you need to communicate with them in their own language. They do not understand kindness and goodness.
        1. +9
          11 August 2012 13: 06
          You can listen to the Azerbaijani traders sing.
        2. -5
          11 August 2012 13: 10
          I can fully admit that you are right. But is it only the Persians who do this?! I no longer see who has not yet spat on Russia... Even among former loved ones. I talked to emigrants on YouTube - they left and immediately do not consider themselves among the Russians and are very actively slinging mud. I was ashamed, I don’t know if it had any effect.
          1. Protey
            +1
            11 August 2012 20: 01
            I was recently in Spain, and so, our maid (Ukrainian), recognizing my wife and I as normal people, told us how our compatriots behave... Therefore, she prefers to speak with them in Spanish - it’s less rude.
      2. Protey
        0
        11 August 2012 19: 53
        Well, not bad. Would you like to try it at the Ministry of Foreign Affairs?
    4. Gemar
      +3
      11 August 2012 13: 44
      Quote: Ruswolf
      During initial development, everyone listens and takes the help offered. But the moment comes when “the bird flies from the nest.” And there is already reality with its own foundations and requirements.

      You have a bright head, comrade! And that's what it seems to me. Iran, as soon as it secures itself from the West (if, of course), will immediately begin contacts with the Caucasian republics (Iran and Turkey will have a struggle for leading roles in the Muslim World). He will start “pushing bullshit” about us to Muslims, hinting that Russia is oppressing them... And in general, supposedly Russian lack of culture is alien to the Caucasus! Just as China took advantage of our stupidity (having received a nuclear bomb, other technologies, factories in Guangzhou), so Iran is now playing friends with us, so that later it can declare its self-sufficiency and belittle our services to it and the World!
      Support for Iran is a forced procedure. And Iran needs to allow us access to its resources - then it can supply them with the S-300. As the United States stated regarding the deployment of missile defense in the Persian Gulf, we are protecting oil and infrastructure. NOT HUMAN LIVES, but infrastructure!!! With this approach, cooperation will be mutually beneficial.
      I do NOT categorically declare that my thoughts are the truth in the first instance. I just expressed my attitude. If someone decides it is necessary to challenge my opinion, I WILL BE GLAD!
  15. +7
    11 August 2012 09: 40
    In essence, everything is correct, one thing is not said - the S-300 is not subject to sanctions as a defensive weapon. So the re-fe position, to put it mildly, is not beautiful.
    1. +2
      11 August 2012 09: 55
      that’s what we’re talking about, but at the same time it’s a joke for Iran, how bad it is,
  16. +7
    11 August 2012 09: 51
    strange analysis, like Iran are such bastards, they were offended that we violated the agreement and did not sell them the systems, because ours began to jump like circus dogs, and violated supply agreements to please the West
    But with all this, for some reason Iran is bad, such a bastard, he filed a lawsuit, he wants money,

    There are no and cannot be friends in politics,
    best friend is the army and navy, everything else is just different interests

    If Iran withdraws its claim in the near future, this could return Russia's favor.

    I was scared, as I understand it, in Iran they already guessed everything, that the “disc dancer” would easily leak them to a black friend.
    The article contains a strange attempt to justify our toothless position with phantom threats to Iran and childish insults.
  17. Horde
    -3
    11 August 2012 09: 53
    I didn’t get Dima’s plush 4 million, it’s gone, that’s not a task, but maybe it’s a pity to give away that kind of money? (after all, what was acquired through back-breaking labor...)
  18. gorkoxnumx
    0
    11 August 2012 09: 58
    The liberal policies of MEDVEDIV and PUTIN will not lead to anything good. The more the United States messes around with Iran, the more time we have, and the S-300 is a very good spoke in the wheels of American “democracy.”
  19. Serg_Y
    0
    11 August 2012 10: 04
    “Eh, you don’t respect me, you respect their decision, okay, now I’ll force myself to respect them with their decision!” The move is great, but since Iran respects their decision, then we have to respect it even more. It looks like Iran has given up, their country is their business.
  20. Horde
    -4
    11 August 2012 10: 05
    modern Russia does not have its own foreign policy (an unacceptable luxury for a country that lost the Cold War), and also the game that it is necessary to adhere to “international agreements” - these are restrictions for third world countries, as well as Russia, the United States, and Israel are outside games (whoever we want, we bomb), therefore, what the Zionist owners say will happen. It’s a pity in this situation that Iran will bomb it and democratize it without any sanctions, while Russia will stand with its back “offended.”
  21. Rezun
    +2
    11 August 2012 10: 07
    Politics is a delicate matter...Who could guarantee that the presence of the S-300 in Iran would not have provoked the current situation in the region in 2009?
  22. Ataturk
    0
    11 August 2012 10: 10
    Good afternoon guys!
    Let me leave my penny too.
    As we can see from the article, Russia returned the money, and now they have decided, like the wronged people, to sue and seek no less than 4 billion. Their numbers are fantastic. Along the way, the zvizdyuls will also receive a fantastic one. Did you get your money back? Yes. Did you apologize? Yes. What else does? Do you have to put your panties on public display? In general.
    Why did Russia do this to them? Maybe Putin knew who he was dealing with? Maybe now the news is being deliberately released so that in the eyes of the Russians Iran will fall as a friend and an ally, everyone here is really rooting for Iran. One thing I know for sure...

    A country where the leaders and the top on TV and on the radio say they are preparing for the coming of the prophet and ARMAGEDDON, and so on, they are not on friendly terms with their heads.

    I understood this even when they said that they would close the strait or let everyone pay 10% of the profit. Akueli in one word. Defend such a country?! Well I do not know. It would be better if Russia also participated in the war, and took part of the Persian territory. In the future, you can send those who love the sun and the Indian Ocean there.

    In a word, I was once again convinced that the Persians are freaks! They cut down the stump they are sitting on.
    1. +2
      11 August 2012 10: 19
      Are you serious... this is probably a big and pure dream... for Russia to get involved in another war...
      1. Ataturk
        -2
        11 August 2012 10: 51
        Quote: ward
        Are you serious... this is probably a big and pure dream... for Russia to get involved in another war...


        Whether you like it or not, Russia is indirectly participating in the war on the side of the West. They were not sold weapons. They didn’t provide real support, but now the comrade in the post below got into a pose and was offended. And at the same time, it does not take into account that if you look realistically, Russia is already on the side of the WEST for now....

        Do you consider screaming and yelling at the UN something special? Come to Azerbaijan, we have 4 of their resolutions. I can give you these pieces of paper, behind which lies the hypocrisy of the UN, lies and so on.

        And if Russia indirectly helps the West, then it’s better to get involved yourself, and there’s a big jackpot there.

        Or do you think it’s better to fight with dwarfs like Georgia? and then for great Russia to be supported in this fight by countries like Honduras, some islands, and so on? and colleagues from the CSTO abandoned Russia.

        I personally would be ashamed to fight against my own friend with whom I once fought a common enemy. With whom did you eat from the same table? He shared the bread. And who raised the Abkhaz-Ossetian topic first? Wow... I'm talking about the same thing.

        Since when have Persians become your friends? Didn't they kill Russians enough? Have you killed them enough?

        This is how you can lose the name of a state, dear one. And everyone has enough nuclear weapons.
        1. +6
          11 August 2012 11: 25
          The point is not whether Iran is good or bad, but about justice...
          Although Iran behaves aggressively and brazenly and its religious leaders go too far... but these are all just words.
          But in reality, people also live there and they want to live and develop normally, but tons of slop are poured on them (inconsistent with their “aggressiveness”), they stage terrorist attacks, kill scientists and seriously (and not in words) prepare to bomb them, and if they could, then they would have created hell on earth there long ago (as they did in Syria, Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan (back in the 80s) ...)
          We must judge not by words, but by deeds.

          Iran is now the victim of an international conspiracy, and therefore it must be supported, regardless of whether there is sympathy for its leadership or not.

          “The law is harsh - but it is the law” - and our (moral) law says - to always be on the side of the weak and unfairly offended, now this is Iran - that means on his side.
          1. Ataturk
            -3
            11 August 2012 11: 47
            Quote: Andrey_K
            The point is not whether Iran is good or bad, but about justice...


            Andrey, dear, what kind of justice are you talking about? For 20 years, the whole world has been leading us by the nose; there is already no place in Azerbaijani ears for NOODLES from the OSCE and the UN.
            What is justice in politics? Wake up, this is the 21st century.

            Quote: Andrey_K
            Although Iran behaves aggressively and brazenly and its religious leaders go too far... but these are all just words.

            Dear, the fact is that they filed a claim for 4 billion, despite the fact that they themselves paid 160 million, which they have already returned. Yes, they are awesome. They should have been beaten even when they decided to block the STRAIT.

            I personally feel bad for Kuwait and Dubai and everyone there... but in fairness, if we judge as you say, what right do they have to say that, and not only that, RACKET also ask for 10% and decided to warm themselves up for a billion a day just out of thin air.

            Andrey, the word is like a bird, it flew out of your mouth, you can’t catch it. And you have to answer for your words. They behave like a mafia clan, and that’s how you treat them.

            A country where there is prohibition and alcohol and prostitution flourish in every home, what can we expect from them? Hypocrite bastards.

            Bastards scold Russian girls. accusing them of prostitution and sycophancy...when they themselves are silent about their own bastards. Open Google and write famous ladies from Iran and see how many come up.

            I myself hate hypocrites. I hate it when some unfairly slander others. If they are such religious bastards, coolies don’t remember that slander, as well as gossip, is one of the unforgivable sins.

            I'll tell you an off-topic story. About Kurds and Persians.
            About 10 years ago, I signed with a girl from St. Petersburg. I was studying then. In general, while I was doing paperwork for her. I'm abroad. In general, I was familiar with many nations.

            In general, we are sitting here, all students from the police school. and the Faculty of Law. And they started talking about the party. And suddenly two of the company, a Persian and a Kurd, said it’s a pity there are no Russians, they are great, they said this at a time when I had a registry office with a Russian in my back pocket. I'm silent. Then they say, the Russians are doing this and that... and then I got carried away. I stood up and said, you bastard, my wife is Russian, why are you driving and the fight started. I was hurt by the fact that he tells Russian girls that the Russian language is not needed; they understand another language with a finger pointing at their household.

            I never swear, but believe me, I'm telling the truth. Then it was the Georgians who were with me in this bazaar. They were not students. They just lived there. I knew them and were friends. Still in a foreign land.

            to be continued
            Yes they went !!!
            1. Ataturk
              -1
              11 August 2012 11: 48
              They told me, Omar, why don’t you go to the mosque to pray, then it was the month of Ramadan. I say I'm not a good Muslim. Confessed. And these PERSIANS and KURDS, after the evening prayer, went foaming at the mouth to the disco and drank, and as they saw the women, the Europeans were drooling like hell.

              No matter where you go, I’ve only seen scum on their part.

              Quote: Andrey_K
              Iran is now the victim of an international conspiracy, and therefore it must be supported

              They support people. Real people. When OUR top officials, behind the scenes in PERSIA, were told that you should not be offended by us, the Armenians and I have the same blood. I was completely disgusted by them. Everything fell into place. I understood why they, like Türkiye, did not close their shop. Why do they tell us one thing and then another?

              Believe me, my personal attitude is not based on my personal ambitions. I build relationships with the saying, what a hello is the answer.

              And what hurt me most was that Azerbaijan almost spent a billion on hosting the Eurovision Song Contest, the city was decorated, the people were getting ready, but they ORDERED us not to do it AND THEY ALSO THREATENED us with a terrorist attack.

              Yes they went.
              1. +3
                11 August 2012 16: 53
                I understand all this, but there are plenty of bad people in every country.
                And a bad peace is better than a good quarrel.
                Therefore, we must always act in such a way that everything goes towards a peaceful scenario.
                And in relation to Iran, there is an ambivalent feeling - on the one hand, since Soviet times, Iran has not caused much enthusiasm for its policies (and even earlier), but I can’t help it - the sense of justice makes me feel sympathy - Iran is now in the role of a punching bag and all this I don’t like mouse fuss (although there is a little schadenfreude - let them feel in their own skin what it’s like when an information and sabotage war is launched against your country, the likes of which Iran itself gladly participated in against the USSR).

                But still.
                Information and even more so sabotage wars (and whatever else you call the method of the Arab Springs and Orange Revolutions) are not good and it is necessary, sooner or later, to put their organizers in their place, otherwise no country in the world will be immune from such aggression.
                And it doesn’t matter what country it is used against - we must always support the victim, so that all these types of wars cost their organizers a penny (while there are no other ways to stop this disgrace) and lose their effectiveness.
                Otherwise, sooner or later, they will reach your country.
              2. 0
                11 August 2012 19: 47
                Quote: Ataturk
                Believe me, my personal attitude is not based on my personal ambitions. I build relationships with the saying, what a hello is the answer.


                Ataturk You know, I like you, you have a position and your own opinion, a quality that is extremely rare in our such fickle times. To be honest, I myself have a very difficult attitude towards the Iranian problem. What’s difficult is that I don’t like Iran, I really don’t like it. I agree with you about their inconstancy and unpredictability, especially when the country is headed by a religious fanatic for whom there is no concept of religious tolerance towards other religions. It is clear as daylight that when Iran solves its problems at the expense of Russia, it will begin to make claims against Russia and will begin to breed a Shiite radical underground in our Muslim republics. But I still believe that at the moment it is politically beneficial for Russia to keep Iran close to itself. Well, the political situation is like this now, but we have not yet fully recovered and the strength is not yet what it used to be, so we have to maneuver.
                Sincerely, Victor.
                1. Ataturk
                  -3
                  11 August 2012 19: 56
                  Quote: Victor
                  Ataturk You know, I like you, you have a position and your own opinion, a quality that is extremely rare in our such fickle times.


                  Thank you for such kind words. Very nice. Thank you.

                  Quote: Victor
                  It is clear as daylight that when Iran solves its problems at the expense of Russia, it will begin to make claims against Russia and will begin to breed a Shiite radical underground in our Muslim republics.


                  Your words are like a balm to my soul. How nice it is to read a person who understands so correctly. There probably isn’t a day when Iranian channels don’t slander us, there isn’t a day when Iran doesn’t pose a threat to us. Either we dress the wrong way, then we listen to the wrong music, or we make friends with the wrong people, while forgetting who they are friends with next door, and then they wonder why we have warm relations with Israel. If they put it on us, we put it 10 times more on them. Also a regional power for me. Considering what they are doing, it turns out that Russia paid them full and they want 30 times more. Do you know why I believe in this? Because about a month ago they wanted to install a meter in Orzumun Bay. For the exit. 10% INCOME from tanker)))))))))

                  Quote: Victor
                  Well, the political situation is like this now, but we have not yet fully recovered and the strength is not yet what it used to be, so we have to maneuver.

                  To be honest, I still can’t understand where the Kremlin is maneuvering. By doing to the west and by speaking to the east. So go and understand.
    2. +2
      11 August 2012 10: 35
      Well, I always knew about your reverent attitude towards Iran... and there is also a country where they are also waiting for the Messiah and all the subsequent showdowns... but the fact that YOU don’t talk about it is alarming... minus..
      1. Ataturk
        -3
        11 August 2012 10: 44
        Quote: ward
        Well, I always knew about your reverent attitude towards Iran... and there is also a country where they are also waiting for the Messiah and all the subsequent showdowns... but the fact that YOU don’t talk about it is alarming... minus..


        Give me a couple of reasons why I should respect Iran?
        You also have a minus because it does not take into account truth and truth.
        1. +4
          11 August 2012 12: 56
          Well
          Ataturk I will name in the entire modern history Iran has never been an aggressor, the second reason the Iranians were able to throw out the arrogant Saxons from their country and nationalize their oil industry and are actively opposing the SGA another reason they survived the hardest war with Saddam with this puppet ouv. Religion is their core and they hold on to their right The Russians did not hold on to communism now, there is no reason to hold on.
          1. Ataturk
            -6
            11 August 2012 13: 10
            Quote: apro
            Iran has never been an aggressor

            I don’t know about recent history, but they took the lands of Azerbaijan. A decent portion. Plus they killed our people. Even though a century has passed, their hands have not been cleared of Azerbaijani blood.


            Quote: apro
            and nationalize your oil industry

            And how far did you go? Do Iranian residents live as well as in Dubai, Qatar, Bahrain? In terms of their standard of living, they live in far from good places. They had everything covered in chocolate during the time of the Shah. After Shah was raped, life went downhill.

            But their religion and the war with Iraq, alas, do not raise their respect. Seeing what they are saying now, what they are doing now, I see no reason or reason to respect them.
            1. +3
              11 August 2012 13: 30
              Ataturk, well, what can I tell you from the cellar, it’s better to remember the campaigns of Macedon. And under the Shah, life probably wasn’t all sweet either; they quickly sent him into exile without any special incidents. And the war with Iraq showed that the people had something to fight for and die by force you can’t drive them to death. And what they say and do in the Anglo-Saxon world doesn’t fit into any gates at all.
              1. Ataturk
                -5
                11 August 2012 13: 45
                Quote: apro

                Ataturk, well, what can I tell you from the cellar? You should remember the campaigns of the Macedonian


                I just remembered what happened a little over 100 years ago. The Turks are being told what happened 100 years ago with the genocide? Azerbaijan's lands were taken away remembering the Macedonian era and, moreover, deceitfully.

                Quote: apro
                And what the Anglo-Saxon world says and does does not fit into any gates at all.

                There is no talk about them at all. They have long ceased to have authority in my eyes. I don't want to talk about them at all. Everything is clear with them!
                1. +3
                  11 August 2012 14: 05
                  Yes, I went to Wikipedia and refreshed the evidence base, so to speak, and what’s interesting is Iran, Persia, for 300 years, regularly received tinsel from the Russians, but about Azerbaijan there is nothing there, or rather, there are small khanates completely independent of each other that squabbled among themselves, went over to the Persians, bit the Russians on occasion, the usual feudal practice. So on the Russian-controlled lands of the Khanate in which the future Azerbaijanis lived there was peace and tranquility, the Persians could not do anything.
                  1. Ataturk
                    -5
                    11 August 2012 14: 24
                    Quote: apro
                    Azerbaijan there is nothing there

                    Azerbaijan 300 years ago was called differently, my friend.

                    Here is a map of Azerbaijan 300 years ago. And if you notice the Northern part of Iran is part of my modern Azerbaijan. Yes, you are right, we had KHANATES. United Khanate. Karabakh, Irevan, Shamakhi and so on.

                    1. +6
                      11 August 2012 14: 50
                      Azerbaijan as a single state was formed in 1918 .. before that, for some reason, the Russians gathered you together. In general, it is difficult to talk with an Eastern person, he talks a lot, listens only to what is beneficial for him, loves to talk about truths and about the truth of his own truth and about the truth accessible only to him and the opponent is always wrong, and if he’s right, it’s not deep.
                      1. Ataturk
                        -8
                        11 August 2012 14: 56
                        Quote: apro
                        Before this, for some reason, the Russians put you together.

                        Nobody gathered us, but on the contrary, we were deported from our lands 3 times.

                        you are wrong. I'm ready to listen to you.
                      2. +4
                        11 August 2012 15: 01
                        Quote: Ataturk
                        you are wrong. I'm ready to listen to you.
                        a good start for a constructive conversation
                      3. Ataturk
                        -7
                        11 August 2012 15: 15
                        Quote: apro
                        a good start for a constructive conversation

                        Uv. Oleg, we always knew how to communicate, always made compromises, always listened to everyone, which is why Azerbaijan has always been a multinational country.

                        Now the Armenians will appear here and write, this is why you are torturing the Talysh. Of course he's lying. I'll explain why.

                        Talysh are Azerbaijanis like me and others. They never considered themselves strangers. We are similar in skin color, face, accent when speaking, we even have the same names, Azerbaijani.

                        But since ancient times, there have always been traitors. Whose urine hits the head and starts screaming, GIVE INDEPENDENCE TO THE TALYSH. Although I can tell you with a guarantee that many high positions in Azerbaijan are occupied by Talysh people as well. Minister of Defense LEZGIN. Many shots from the defense, LEZGINS.
                        Talysh also occupy a seat in the government. Ambassadors of Azerbaijan, there is even a Georgian Azerbaijani. He is the ambassador to Uzbekistan. In general, it doesn't matter. Everything else is important.

                        Armenians are trying all over the world to raise the issue of a foreign country. Talysh. And they support the one who decided to destroy the country. Now let's look a little further. The Armenians had one general. Andronik is one-eared. He was a military man. General of the Turkish Army. I ate Turkish bread and drank Turkish water. They held high positions there. And how did they repay the Turks? You see, world history has both a front side and a back side... In 1915 (I don’t remember exactly) A gang of Armenians, 40 people, robbed the National Bank of Turkey on a large scale. And everyone hid with the loot in the villages among their own. They did not issue them. Andronikos with his army, threw the Turks, abandoned them, and went over to the side of Russia, in exchange for being given land. But a traitor is a traitor. Remember the film, a historical film. Like a battle of the titans. But the other one, there one ran to the other side, and the king said, you are a traitor, and hit him in the balls with a big hammer, he says your seed is not pure, I will rid the world of people like you. I REMEMBER THIS EXPRESSION. Although he betrayed his own people and ran away. The fact remains a fact. Now let’s see who supports whom, the Armenians of that Talysh traitor.

                        I'm sure you understood everything.
                      4. Neutral
                        -1
                        12 August 2012 20: 11
                        Your “officers” are pearls, though for 2011.
                        Hardly anything has changed

                        “After our letters, including those published in the Musavat newspaper, Safar Abiyev not only did not take the path of correction, but on the contrary, showing increasing aggressiveness, began repressions against the Azerbaijani Turks. Generals Mamed Beydullayev, Rauf Kishiyev, Vagif Mamedov were given instructions to begin a campaign of blackmail and pressure on Turkish officers serving in front-line regions and VVA students. If you look at the ethnic composition of students at the High School and High School, you will be filled with pity for the Azerbaijani Turks. This year, 70% of the graduates of the Higher Military Academy (VVA) and the Higher Military School (HMS) are “ethnics”. And this is the result of the “smart” and “far-sighted”, future-oriented, chauvinistic policy of Safar Abiyev.
                        “Ethnics”, who form the basis and backbone of new entrants and graduates of both Higher Military Educational Institutions, are a source of danger for the future of our state and statehood.
                        We Turks are against any ethnic and racial bias. Representatives of all nations living in Azerbaijan must have equal rights and freedoms. The words “Turk” and “heroic soldier” sound identical. And the whole world recognizes this. And if so, then for what reasons, latent abilities and military talents are preference given and other ethnic groups other than Turks are promoted in their careers?
                        Currently, more than 70% of the apparatus of the Ministry of Defense, the senior command staff of the High Military School, Higher Military School, including Nakhichevan, and other corps are “ethnics”. What to call it and how to evaluate it? Why did the Azerbaijani Turks not please Safar Abiev?
                        Once again we cry out and shout about these problems. I wonder why there is no reaction to our appeals, where is the national elite, where is the media, where is the parliament, where are our patriots?
                      5. iravanxan
                        -1
                        12 August 2012 23: 23
                        hi we will continue okay our monologue am
                      6. Ataturk
                        -7
                        11 August 2012 15: 53
                        Oleg, here is the film I was talking about.
                        Film `s name War of the Gods: Immortals
                        This movie is like TROY, in all the movies I watch, I always look for
                        zest. And I’ll show you the highlight of this film.

                        You can watch the entire film using this link. But you look from 18 minutes to 24.

                        http://www.linecinema.org/newsz/boevyk-online/507527-voyna-bogov-bessmertnye-imm
                        ortals-2011-hdrip-onlayn.html



                        Watch the film from 18 minutes to 24. Listen carefully to what the king says and what he will do. I'm sure you will understand me.



                        and this is the movie trailer.

                      7. +2
                        12 August 2012 07: 11
                        Dear Ataturk, how can you believe the Anglo-Saxon propaganda in cinema lately for me, their cinema is like a rebus, find the lie and you don’t really need to look for it, remember the films about Vietnam and the fight against drug lords, who in their films are bad Russian Arabs Persians Latin Americans Cubans Koreans.
                      8. Ataturk
                        -3
                        12 August 2012 07: 27
                        Good morning Oleg.
                        I didn’t recommend you watch the film, but a quote from the film, an excerpt. Quote about a traitor.
                        If you ask me what I love, then I love classics, Soviet films. When I say that the West makes bad films, I don’t agree with you.

                        Here's a classic, watch and enjoy.



                        Here's a modern film. Watch and enjoy



                        Watch both films and you will have a very good impression of French cinematography.

                        The first film is Don Camilo in Russia, a film from 1
                        The 2nd film is The Untouchables (2011).

                        By the way, the second one is based on real events.

                      9. +1
                        12 August 2012 08: 30
                        Thank you Ataturk for the recommendations, we’ll look at it when the opportunity arises, but even the most outspoken scoundrel may well speak the right and deep words, but he will remain a scoundrel himself; he does not follow his words; they are tender to him as a weapon to achieve his vile goals.
                      10. Neutral
                        -1
                        12 August 2012 20: 13
                        4. The head of the legal department of the Ministry of Defense, Rauf Kishiev, according to available information, was once a member of Sadval. How and in what way, and for what merits was this person, expelled from the prosecutor’s office, appointed by S. Abiev as head of the Moscow Defense Department? Of course, because of ethnicity. His father-in-law was the chairman of an organization created by the Russian special services in 2003 that carried out subversive activities against our country. And now, his son, Rauf Kishiev’s uncle, has been appointed military commissar of the Sabunchu region.
                        5. The head of the Military Publishing House of the Ministry of Defense is Panakh Abdullayev, whose wife and children are also Armenians. Moreover, in order to prepare this chair for Abdullaev, a retired colonel, Safar Abiev even had to change the staffing table so that it could be occupied by a civilian. Despite the sharp objections of the Chief of the General Staff Najmeddin Sadikhov, this appointment took place. Having a person with an Armenian wife in such a position in a secret military institution is a real tragedy.
                      11. Neutral
                        -1
                        12 August 2012 20: 12
                        Further, the officers write... “Our demands are as follows:
                        1. Classes at the VVA will begin in a few days. The bribe-taker Chingiz Safiev, who was relieved of his post as corps commander and deprived of his rank by the president, should be removed from work in the VVA. Otherwise we will boycott classes.
                        2. The illiterate head of the Academy, Najaf Gambarov, who received a diploma from the Russian Military School at the expense of cognac and sturgeon, should be removed. The fact is that he has long passed retirement age. Besides, why should our Academy be led by a man whose wife is Armenian? Is it possible in Armenia for a person whose wife is a representative of a different nationality to work in the same position? Of course not. Let's pay attention to this person's work schedule. At 8 am he comes to work, after a long tea and before lunch, he waters lawns and trees and after such “hard work” sleeps in his office. Exactly at 13:00 a company car arrives for him, and he goes home for lunch. Returning at 15-00, he retires to his office with his close friend, an Armenian by birth, a colonel named Seyran. Then, having signed a couple of documents, if he manages to understand their content, he goes to bed again and, waking up at 17-20, ends his working day and leaves for home.
                        3. We demand that military attaches appointed and representing Azerbaijan in foreign countries undergo special verification by the National Security Authorities. We believe that honest, decent officers who love their country and are devoted to their homeland should be appointed to such positions, and not people like Tofig Gasimov, Elbrus Orujov, Tofig Salmanov. When he was the head of the VVA, T. Gasimov plunged the Academy into the swamp of bribery and fraud. Food, clothing and fuel were sold openly, Turkic officers working here and even our flag were insulted. Only after the officers, who could not bear all this, rebelled, did our late President Heydar Aliyev expel him from the army. However, after the death of Heydar Aliyev, S. Abiyev brought him back and appointed him to a higher position, namely, military attaché in Ukraine. T. Gasimov’s wife is Armenian, his children’s uncles and aunts are also Armenians. How can such a person hold an event in Ukraine dedicated to the anniversary of the Khojaly genocide?
          2. +1
            11 August 2012 18: 36
            Quote: apro
            Iran has never been an aggressor

            Dear, what about the preparation of airfields for British bombers planning to bomb Baku and its oil production before the Second World War??? Hitler wrote to Stalin that the USSR owed Germany for the start of the war, because The general bombing plans had already been approved. On June 22, our troops, having been preempted, entered on their own and fought their way to Tehran. Afterwards they were naturally withdrawn, but the fact remains a fact!
            Learn the story!
            1. +3
              12 August 2012 03: 53
              Dear Drednout, take an interest in the status of Iran before the Islamic revolution - in fact, a colony of impudent people.
        2. -2
          11 August 2012 13: 22
          You are very passionate in what can be said frankly, a centuries-old enmity.
          Russians are more tolerant. I am not inclined to idealize anyone. But for all thoughts to be only about enmity is a bad option. And it will DEFINITELY end in blood... Turkey, Azerbaijan, Armenia, Iran, the Kurds - this is, at a minimum, your regional “tangle”. And this lasts for centuries... Is this normal?!
          The USSR, and now Russia, somehow stabilized the situation, preventing it from escalating into war. Everyone thinks that he is right. In this situation, it is difficult to decide unambiguously what is correct. But for many years there was peace or relative peace, and people lived. And now you yourself are escalating the situation. I am already convinced that Azerbaijan 100% wants a war with Armenia...
          1. Ataturk
            -4
            11 August 2012 14: 03
            Quote: vvvvv
            You are very passionate in what can be said frankly, a centuries-old enmity.


            Dear, we learn well from our neighbors.
            Why do you see my hostility, but do not notice the hostility and kadalovo on the part of the OSCE towards Azerbaijan? Why don't you see the threat and hostility from Iran? Will you like it if Poland dictates to you? or someone else? Why do you think that our enmity is centuries-old? You are wrong!

            We were always silent. They always endured. But the more you are silent, the more those who threaten us get angry. And now, everything will be different. If you touch us with a FINGER, we'll rip your hand off!!!!

            IT'S BETTER TO DIE STANDING THAN LIVE ON YOUR KNEES!

            Where has human justice gone? Why does everyone see US, but do not notice what they are doing towards US. This surprises me!

            We have no problems with the KURDS. We have a problem in KARABAKH. Only and only! We don't care about Iran yet, since they're just barking for now. And when they start biting, then we’ll think about what to do!
            Regarding the KURDS. The problem of the Kurds began in 78. Half a century, not centuries.
            And none of this is normal. I agree with you.

            Now ask a question. WHO STARTED?

            If in conscience and honor, then we must first punish those who started it, return everything to the way it was before, and then talk about ending the hostility.

            Do you agree?

            Quote: vvvvv
            The USSR, and now Russia, somehow stabilized the situation, preventing it from escalating into war.

            The answer is not correct.
            The USSR built relations with all 15 republics. The relationship between everyone was excellent. Everyone respected each other. What a feud. And if they beat, they beat those who were enemies of the USSR.

            And dear Russia, after the collapse of the USSR, in order not to lose its influence, it began to beat precisely those 15 republics. Not all of them, of course, but not all of whom he hit properly.
            Say no?

            1. Ataturk
              -2
              11 August 2012 14: 03
              Quote: vvvvv
              Everyone thinks that he is right.

              You're saying it wrong again. We have always said, let's solve all problems according to international rules. According to the facts. What do they feed my country? NOODLES! And there is far from the truth there. Say no?
              They say there was genocide......let's show the facts...I'm talking about Khojaly. Did Russia recognize it? NO! What about Armenian in Turkey? Yes! When we ask Russia and Armenia for archives to see if there was a fact, NO ONE SHOWS. So what are you hiding? This means there is something to hide.

              The President of Azerbaijan, as well as the Parliament of Azerbaijan, have said a thousand times, show the archive, and despite the brotherhood between TURKEY, we will be the first to recognize the Armenian genocide. They said it OPENLY. I can even put on a video.

              And in response, WHEN THE TIME COMES, THEN WE WILL SHOW. 20 years have passed. They don't show. And Azerbaijan, showing the corpses of children and women, everyone closes their eyes. SILENT.

              So where is the justice you are talking about, dear?
              Why, after all this, are many still angry at Azerbaijan?

              You don’t need to answer me, just answer yourself, if they did this to you...what would you do?

              30 MILLION Azerbaijanis live in Iran. That's almost half the population. And everyone lives compactly in the north of Iran. Well, millions of people didn’t come down from the mountains? They started a war. They took it away.

              So why do many politicians remember a country that never existed, even IF it did exist, it was God knows when, but what happened 100 years ago with Azerbaijan, everyone is silent.

              Quote: vvvvv
              I am already convinced that Azerbaijan 100% wants a war with Armenia..

              Thirsty? ))) I’m telling you with a 100% guarantee that women say, if we were in the hands of Armenians, we’ll do this... we’re even ready to go to jail. Now imagine what men say and think.
              1. +5
                11 August 2012 15: 21
                Hello Omar! excuse me to interfere, we discussed the reasons for your position yesterday and will not return to this, but think about this: if one of the parties, no matter which Europe, America, or we make a sharp move regarding the recognition or vice versa of Karabakh or direct aggression against Iran, what a mess will begin in everything region? and what kind of blood will this lead to now, at least a fragile but calm without major bloodshed, and if the whole region flies off the thread? It won’t seem enough to anyone and first of all Russia will be forced to intervene and the only opportunity to at least separate you and the Armenians is the introduction troops to your territory
                1. Ataturk
                  -4
                  11 August 2012 15: 42
                  Quote: Ruslan67
                  Hello Omar!

                  Good afternoon Ruslan. Glad to see you.
                  Quote: Ruslan67
                  Sorry, I’ll interfere, we discussed the reasons for your position yesterday

                  But you still haven’t answered, how long should we wait? How to return the lands? Or forget about your home about the death of thousands of people?
                  Quote: Ruslan67
                  and what kind of blood will this lead to now, at least a fragile but calm without major bloodshed, and what if an entire region falls off the thread?

                  Maybe it's time for Russia, with its great history, to finally come to justice? What are we asking, or not to interfere in the conflict, BECAUSE WE DO NOT WANT TO SPOIL relations with Russia, given that Russia is selling us weapons to the fullest, I think the Kremlin also understands this.

                  I'm sorry, but I'll say it. Russia will not raise the price if it intervenes in the conflict on the side of Armenia. Because this would not be a fair step. Russian guys can pay with their lives for the Armenians, for those who stole the land. And the rating of your country, believe me, will not be in the best light, especially in the Islamic world, given that the entire OIC. All Muslim countries present Armenians as occupiers. Moreover, if in Russia they think that no one will help us, then they are deeply mistaken. Pakistan will fit in 100%, but about Turkey



                  The person who said this is far from a small person, the news is two days old, and he won’t just blurt out something like that without permission. And this, comrades, will be a WORLD WAR. So think about whether it’s worth getting into a conversation with someone who is WRONG!

                  Isn't it the Soviet Union that always taught us that evil will be defeated and truth will win.

                  For this reason, the Armenians themselves do not recognize Karabakh as independent. Just like Russia. Because the Kremlin knows very well that the Armenians are occupiers. And Russia also helped them create the land by taking the Erivan fortress.

                  Do you need a war over someone else's topic? Where are the ones for whom you will speak, are the occupiers and murderers of a thousand Azerbaijanis?

                  I’m sure the KREMLIN knows this, which is why we have no friction on the military issue. For which we thank both the Kremlin and Rosoboronexport.
                  1. +5
                    11 August 2012 17: 18
                    It's all sad Omar! your bilateral intransigence, although humanly understandable, is a trump card that sooner or later someone will play; it won’t work out now in Syria and Iran they will remember you and then what I wrote about yesterday - in the end there will be a massacre with unpredictable consequences, the worst thing is that we will have to extinguish without choosing means and without looking for the right, we have such a geopolitical situation and connections with both countries, and by the way, the notorious domino effect has not been canceled either, it will start in one place and someone will decide that the opportune moment has come and it will go down the pipes sadly!
                    1. Ataturk
                      -1
                      11 August 2012 18: 10
                      I agree with you Ruslan.
                      1. +1
                        12 August 2012 15: 58
                        It’s just interesting as a fact - they gave you minuses for agreeing with me? I tried to give a plus and a minus popped up. We got these children’s toys
                      2. Ataturk
                        -1
                        12 August 2012 16: 03
                        Quote: Ruslan67
                        It’s just interesting as a fact - did I give you minuses because you agree with me?


                        No, dear Ruslan. This is one of my fans, an Armenian from Moscow. The second login along the way is also his. Whatever I write, I immediately get a minus. He, the Armenian, admitted that every time I didn’t write he would give me a minus, he honestly admitted, so I have no complaints against him, but there is one more, I don’t know if it’s him with a second login or he’s asking someone or a new fan appeared. I am sure he is also an Armenian, or someone who sympathizes with them. No one else))))
                      3. Karabekir
                        -1
                        12 August 2012 16: 06
                        Are you sure it’s from Moscow?))))
                      4. +2
                        12 August 2012 16: 28
                        Greetings Omar! I’ll take this opportunity and ask you, your compatriot and I have reached a certain point in the discussion and let him not be offended by me, you just have more restrained and balanced assessments. I have already asked this question to both sides and have not received any answer. The essence is: if the worst-case scenario happens and war, what will your compatriots in St. Petersburg, Moscow and other Russian cities do - continue to do business, trade in markets next to the Armenians, as is happening now, or will they go home en masse to join the army?
                      5. Karabekir
                        0
                        12 August 2012 16: 32
                        Quote: Ruslan67
                        continue to do business trade in markets near Armenians how this happens

                        I think basically, the majority will continue to trade!
                        Sorry, the question was not for me, but it’s interesting!
                      6. +3
                        12 August 2012 18: 33
                        I didn’t ask it just because this is the very fire that could break out in my home
                      7. Karabekir
                        0
                        12 August 2012 18: 50
                        Ruslan, those who have a feeling of love for the Motherland will come to fight in their homeland, and the traders living with you and those who do not want to lose a more or less quiet life, on both sides, will mainly curse the instigators, Gorbachev, Yeltsin, etc., etc.! I myself witnessed such conversations !
                      8. Ataturk
                        -1
                        12 August 2012 20: 13
                        Quote: Ruslan67
                        If the worst scenario happens and war breaks out, what will your compatriots in St. Petersburg, Moscow and other Russian cities do - continue to do business, trade in markets near the Armenians, as is happening now, or will they go home en masse to join the army?


                        Everyone is responsible for the soul. It's on their conscience. But there is a But. If they are the only breadwinners in the family, then we don’t have enough guys to fight. And so, everyone is responsible for their own soul.
                      9. Neutral
                        -1
                        12 August 2012 20: 33
                        And Omar, showing his true nature, puts two events side by side, the death of civilians in a military operation and the genocide of more than 1 Armenians in the Ottoman Empire from 500 to 000.
                        What archives do you need, Omar????
                        You don't need anything. You already know everything. Just like the Turks.
                        The whole world knows. And only Azerbaijanis are “blissfully ignorant”.
                        By the way, Omar, why is the Hague court not considering your “Khojaly lamentations” for the umpteenth time???
                        Tell me, my friend, why didn’t you modestly write your favorite fairy tale about the participation of 366 SMEs in the events near Agdam?
                      10. Ataturk
                        -1
                        12 August 2012 20: 54
                        Quote: Neutral
                        And Omar, showing his true nature, puts two events side by side, the death of civilians in a military operation and the genocide of more than 1 Armenians in the Ottoman Empire from 500 to 000.


                        Can you provide me with an archive of the Turkish population census for the period of 1914, just so everyone can see whether there were one and a half million of you in Turkey or not.

                        Next, tell me why the Turks cut off the ears of a Turkish general who was of Armenian nationality? Not for betrayal and total defection to the side of the Russian army?

                        You're right, I know that you are deceiving the whole world. Therefore, even Russian scientists began to reveal your lies.

                        Who supported you? Your friends and they also recognized the genocide and mostly Christian countries. Is not it so?

                        and I'm not your friend.

                        Why should the Hague Court recognize when a higher authority called the OSCE TELLS us one thing in the voting and another.

                        Further, if you are not aware, a number of countries have already promised to consider the Armenian genocide. That is, to cancel the recognition.
                      11. iravanxan
                        0
                        12 August 2012 23: 22
                        you destroyed 750000 Kurds, 105000 Arabs and 7800000 Turks are not enough???? am am am
                    2. Karabekir
                      0
                      11 August 2012 19: 24
                      Ruslan!
                      It's sad that your leaders are involved in all this!!
                      This will not be a massacre, but retribution!!!!
                      We will no longer allow these fascists to slaughter unarmed women and children, which they are experts at!
                  2. Protey
                    +2
                    11 August 2012 20: 14
                    But BEN them!!! Armenia is our strategic partner, not to mention the fact that Agop Garichyan works with me!
                2. Karabekir
                  -2
                  11 August 2012 19: 22
                  It's time for Ruslan to understand one thing!
                  Azerbaijan does not lay claim to other people’s territories, but it will not give up even a centimeter of its lands to anyone!
                  It is Russia’s position that still allows Armenia to occupy our territories!!
                  We will do everything to liberate our lands, if it turns out peacefully, it won’t work out by military means!!
                  Bring your troops to you!
                  1. +2
                    11 August 2012 19: 56
                    There is a prediction that Turkey will become a province of Russia, be careful not to become a province of Armenia. With all due respect and understanding of the complexity of the situation.
                    1. tekinoral
                      -1
                      11 August 2012 20: 46
                      I think you saw a dream
                  2. +3
                    11 August 2012 20: 05
                    you just don’t seem to want to understand that we cannot take one side and stay on the sidelines in case of war, too, and regarding the deployment of troops or a peacekeeping contingent, if this sounds better, then look at the map and you will understand everything, and about retaliation against the fascists you will tell the Armenian lobby in the USA when they start howling all over the world, but the American bases in Turkey are still there, we won’t enter, we will enter
              2. Neutral
                -1
                12 August 2012 20: 33
                Normal comparison
                Has Russia recognized the deaths of a number of civilians during the operation to suppress firing points in Khojaly as “genocide”? No. Did anyone even admit it? About 40 people died in Khojaly, mostly people in military uniform. Some civilians died near the village of Nakhijevanik, because... She was absolutely irresponsibly brought to the position of the Armenian defenders of the village, while destroying one post (in the amount of 2 people) and wounding several more. Those. retreating civilians, misled by their fellow tribesmen sitting in Shali, managed to go to the front post to destroy him.
                The bulk of the dead, about 230 people, were found 3 kilometers from Agdam, where at that time the bulk (about 35000) of the askers were concentrated. Can anyone believe that a group of enemy soldiers would risk their lives to kill civilians just released from a liberated city, dangerously close to the enemy??? What’s even more interesting is that these 230 people are Meskhetian Turks, whom someone settled in Khojaly in advance.
                Using this link http://www.chingizmustafayev.com/video_arxiv.php, if anyone has the strength and nerves, you can see two videos of people killed near Agdam. One for 28/02/1992, the second in the same place but from 02/03/1992.
                The following things stand out:
                1. Video 1 (1:08-1:11) – general background, bodies lie side by side, thickets of tall grass near their heads. Video 2 (0:07-0:10) – the bodies are located in a semicircle in a completely different sequence, there is no tall grass nearby.
                2. Video 1 (0:23-0:24) - a girl in a black scarf, wrapped in a blanket, lies near the feet of a woman in bright blue sweatpants. She (0:50-0:53) is taken into the helicopter. And now video 2 (0:08-0:19) - the same girl is again on the field, but in a different place, and in addition - mutilated and half-naked.
                3. Video 1 (0:35-0:39) – a bearded man on a blanket. Video 2 (0:21-0:34) – the same man, but already scalped.
                4. Video 1 (0:25-0:27) – a mustachioed man with a cap next to him. Video 2 (0:36-0:40) – the same man has already been scalped. There is no cap nearby.
                5. Video 1 (1:01-1:06) – another child (in light trousers) lies ON someone’s body. Video 2 (0:41-0:44) - the same child UNDER the body and in a completely different position. This is what catches your eye immediately.
                So who performed the "post-mortem" manipulations?
                Let me remind you that we are talking about events in the immediate vicinity of the main stronghold of Azerbaijani soldiers, Agdam. Azerbaijanis in military and civilian clothes walk and communicate freely on both videos. Those. the action takes place in an area that they control completely!!!
                Khojaly is the same virtual genocide as the events in Srebrenica.
                1. iravanxan
                  -2
                  12 August 2012 23: 21
                  Whoever admitted it, go to Google, write Khojaly in the search engine and generally shut your mouth am do you still dare to pronounce Khojaly am am am
                  why did your fellow tribesmen fight out of Aleppo Syria aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah
            2. -2
              11 August 2012 15: 05
              The topic is complex and I say frankly that I am not so competent in it that, within the framework of this topic, and not in its topic, I can have a true opinion about it and try to derive it... I don’t presume to judge who started it and who is wrong to what extent .
              I say that I see for sure. But I don’t see any good... This attitude towards war is not encouraging. And you don’t see any other way out.
              You are not the only one who has or had disputed or even occupied territories.
              We all need to work together for the operation of international law and the fairness of decisions. But now forceful solutions are “in fashion”, as they are the “simplest” in some ways. Sad. But look who started this “fashion” - NATO countries, including Turkey - Yugoslavia, Libya, Syria, Iran. And their new ally is Azerbaijan, which has completely decided on its priorities. So?! Do you support NATO's actions in the world? Are they fair? Don’t you think that now you want a war with a completely similar extra-legal, military approach? Milosevic was a dictator. And Gaddafi. These are the arguments?! Now what are Turkey’s arguments in the war against Syria, Assad’s tyranny? If in several cases already someone supports injustice and murder, then how should we treat this?
              And I will not support the desire to kill Armenians or anyone else, no matter who is right or wrong. Murder is murder.
              When I see all the national and territorial disputes, then I become a supporter of globalization...
              1. Ataturk
                -5
                11 August 2012 15: 47
                Quote: vvvvv
                When I see all the national and territorial disputes, then I become a supporter of globalization...

                Better than the USSR. Than the Masons.

                Quote: vvvvv
                The topic is complex and I say frankly that I am not so competent in it

                In order to understand what happened and how it happened, I can recommend a couple of videos for you to watch. They participate in this video (many thanks to Russian scientists, even to those Armenian scientists who risked themselves for giving this information)



                And also, the Sumgait issue, which the Armenians hold like a flag and shout everywhere, but what happened BEFORE SUMGAIT just a couple of months ago, in Armenia itself in relation to the Azerbaijanis, they are silent about. Details in this video. Everyone is filmed here. VIDEO EVIDENCE.

                http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2x6T8MBYAhw


                What’s offensive is that everyone in the Kremlin and in the USA knows this, but they turn a blind eye and remain silent.
                1. 0
                  11 August 2012 16: 17
                  I did it simply - I read Wikipedia: http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%CD%E0%E3%EE%F0%ED%FB%E9_%CA%E0%F0%E0%E1%E0%F5
                  What do you say, is it a lie?!
                  1. Ataturk
                    0
                    11 August 2012 16: 56
                    I didn't even read it. Since Wikipedia writes that mother, don’t worry. What do you want to know? What exactly? Just ask, I'll show you in detail.
                    Just not Wikipedia. This is a fake site

                    Will you like it if I show you Russian history on the Japanese site? In this case it is equivalent.

                    Quote: vvvvv

                    I did it simply - I read Wikipedia: http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%CD%E0%E3%EE%F0%ED%FB%E9_%CA%E0%F0%E0%E1%E0%F5
                    What do you say, is it a lie?!


                    I SHOW YOU THE FACTS



                    Enough?
                    1. 0
                      11 August 2012 17: 35
                      If you want an honest answer, as I think, then I am inclined to believe that Turkey and Azerbaijan are trying, as before, to destroy Armenia and chop off its territory. My opinion is completely disinterested. I have no relation to either Armenia or Azerbaijan. You ignored the history of Nagorno-Karabakh, that it originally belonged to Armenia. This is wrong? Where is the other data? exactly about this so you can read it?
                      This is just what the available facts tell me from those sources that I am inclined to trust. Don't blame me if you disappointed me.
                      1. Ataturk
                        -9
                        11 August 2012 18: 19
                        Quote: vvvvv
                        that Turkey and Azerbaijan are trying, as before, to destroy Armenia and chop off its territory.


                        Considering the LIES you wrote, I'm sorry, but the topic is over with you.

                        I will only say one thing, a nation that supposedly knows for itself what genocide is will never kill children and women, because by killing the children and women of its enemy, it becomes no better than an animal.

                        Want to read? http://erevangala500.com/?direct=news_page&id=22 READ!!!
                      2. gojesi
                        +1
                        12 August 2012 03: 21
                        Quote: Ataturk

                        Considering the LIES you wrote, I'm sorry, but the topic with you is over

                        you know, I'm Russian, Slavic. I had relations with Armenians and, less so, with Azerbaijanis... I am inclined to believe you, since you, Azerbaijanis or Turks (is this more correct?) are Muslims, and not Christians like the Armenians. I know both the Bible and the Koran quite well. There is less evil in the Koran, much less, although it is there too, but what is there is not comparable to the Christian Bible. To put it even more precisely, there is not less evil in the Koran, but less lies than in the Bible. But we, the Slavs, love both you and them, they are more by faith, you are less and also by faith! It's all about the TERRITORY!!! Let us allow you in arms into Armenia, and you give TERRITORY for jump-off airfields to NATO or the Amers, and that’s it, Russia will come to a real end in connection with the fall of Iran. Geopolitics... mother...
                        Sincerely ...
                      3. Ataturk
                        -3
                        12 August 2012 04: 43
                        Quote: gojesi
                        and you will give TERRITORY for jump airfields to NATO or amers


                        If Russia does not interfere in the conflict, or returns (the keys to solving the Karabakh conflict are in the Kremlin, the Armenians do not decide anything) then everything will be fine. And if the land is not returned to us, then we will look for options on how to solve this problem. Of course, then I do not exclude NATO and ISRAEL in our region.
                        The main thing is that none of them are there yet.

                        Regards Omar
                      4. Neutral
                        0
                        12 August 2012 20: 34
                        Omar, of course, the Armenians don’t decide anything.
                        And since more than 100 askers have already died since the beginning of the year, the Armenians also did not take part.
                        This is the "hand of the Kremlin")))))
                      5. iravanxan
                        -1
                        12 August 2012 23: 19
                        aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa now the Kremlin is to blame, how two-faced you are am
                      6. Karabekir
                        -1
                        12 August 2012 07: 35
                        Quote: gojesi
                        you know, I'm Russian, Slavic. I had relations with Armenians and, less so, with Azerbaijanis... I am inclined to believe you, since you, Azerbaijanis or Turks (is this more correct?) are Muslims, and not Christians like the Armenians. I know both the Bible and the Koran quite well. There is less evil in the Koran, much less, although it is there too, but what is there is not comparable to the Christian Bible. To put it even more precisely, there is not less evil in the Koran, but less lies than in the Bible. But we, the Slavs, love both you and them, they are more by faith, you are less and also by faith! It's all about the TERRITORY!!! Let us allow you in arms into Armenia, and you give TERRITORY for jump-off airfields to NATO or the Amers, and that’s it, Russia will come to a real end in connection with the fall of Iran. Geopolitics... mother...
                        Respectfully..

                        I remember your comments towards my people 2-3 months ago, where you wrote insults and were aggressive!
                        Therefore, I am pleasantly surprised by your comment!
                        I didn’t understand the geopolitics you described!
                        As for jump airfields, that’s funny!!
                        No matter what vile country Iran is, we want to live in good neighborliness with our neighbors!!
                        The placement of Russian or US bases is possible only in one case, if some country provides significant political support in solving our problem - this is my opinion!
                        with respect
                      7. gojesi
                        +2
                        12 August 2012 14: 46
                        Quote: Karabekir
                        Therefore, I am pleasantly surprised by your comment!
                        I didn’t understand the geopolitics you described!
                        As for jump airfields, that’s funny!!

                        I was glad to pleasantly surprise you!
                        With the jump airfield, everything is simple. The Israeli F-16 will not reach Iran without refueling in the air, or rather, it will not be able to return after bombing, Israel does not have enough tankers to refuel 200 aircraft in the air at the same time, so they need TERRITORY in order to return and land. For a better vision of the situation, open the cards. Thus, by protecting Armenia, Russia, in the person of Putin, protects itself, since after the fall of Iran, Russia will become the target of NATO-America. The 6th fleet will appear in the Caspian Sea, and what will begin in your Caucasus..., so imagine... But one thing is already clear: EVERYONE WILL LOSE, except America, it will be completely in oil... and, as always - in chocolate!
                      8. Karabekir
                        -1
                        12 August 2012 15: 03
                        Quote: gojesi
                        With the jump airfield, everything is simple. The Israeli F-16 will not reach Iran without refueling in the air, or rather, it will not be able to return after bombing, Israel does not have enough tankers to refuel 200 aircraft in the air at the same time, so they need TERRITORY in order to return and land. For a better vision of the situation, open the cards.

                        I ask you to read less of analysts like Shakaryants and Tarasov on these issues!!
                        I assure you that you can rest assured about the airfields!
                        Quote: gojesi
                        Thus, by protecting Armenia, Russia, in the person of Putin, protects itself, since after the fall of Iran, Russia will become the target of NATO-America.
                        This is Russia’s right and choice of whom to protect and why))
                        But to what extent this is justified and meets the interests of Russia is debatable!!
                        As for the fall of Iran and Russia’s next goal, they weren’t convinced!!
                        As for the 6th Fleet, it’s nonsense, but the further Russia’s policy becomes inadequate, the more such a situation is possible, but not in the next 20 years))
                        If Russia loses, this does not mean everyone will lose!
                        Also, if the USA loses, this does not mean that everyone will lose!
                      9. Ymidge
                        +3
                        12 August 2012 16: 47
                        Quote: gojesi
                        The 6th Fleet will appear in the Caspian Sea

                        How will he get in there??? On foot or by dragging??? request
                      10. Neutral
                        0
                        12 August 2012 20: 35
                        How do you remember them, Karabekir?
                        Or is it more correct to write Albay-ogly?
                      11. iravanxan
                        -2
                        12 August 2012 23: 18
                        haychik tu your voice cut through am
                      12. Karabekir
                        0
                        11 August 2012 19: 29
                        And what sources??
                        This is Armenia trying everything!!
                        BBB open the constitution of Armenia, it contains territorial claims to your neighbors and this, in my opinion, is enough for you to change your attitude towards your sources!
                    2. +4
                      11 August 2012 17: 41
                      you write that I didn’t answer, how long should you wait? I’ll try to answer from my point of view, my grandson will be 2 years old in November, I have no doubt that if necessary, he will go to defend the country like all his ancestors; ironically, only his father did not serve, but big sport can be cruel - two fractures of the spine are not an excuse, so I don’t I want him to have to put his head under the bullets of actually his own people with whom we have lived together for centuries and fought against common enemies, while I am by no means a pacifist and in some cases I consider war the only possible measure
                      1. Ataturk
                        -4
                        11 August 2012 18: 22
                        Ruslan, you answered very beautifully, but based on your answer, I understand this. we must recognize Karabakh for the Armenians SO AS TO COMPROMISE that we agree to give the highest autonomy like Tatarstan, to which they answered no, only the independence of Karabakh and so, we give them Karabakh and also extend the hand of friendship and love and let there be peace. Did I understand correctly? Or just leave everything as it is? Alas, I did not find the answer.
                      2. +1
                        11 August 2012 19: 06
                        but you will have to decide for yourself here, even the advice is not very appropriate and we will just have to wait for the results. In the end, you are sovereign powers and first of all you yourself must determine what is more important to you - an unstable peace or open war
                      3. +1
                        11 August 2012 19: 29
                        in the order of delusional dreams: to completely freeze this issue until America and Europe are completely mired in their problems, then without pressure and provocations from the liberals and with the mediation of Russia it will be easier to come to something?
                      4. Karabekir
                        -2
                        12 August 2012 07: 52
                        Quote: Ruslan67

                        in the order of delusional dreams: to completely freeze this issue until America and Europe are completely mired in their problems, then without pressure and provocations from the liberals and with the mediation of Russia it will be easier to come to something?

                        This was already proposed by Margaret Thatcher)))))
                        With the mediation of Russia, it will be easier to come to something only if there appears in the leadership a person who will not seek benefits for Russia by trying to stir things up, but will pursue a fair policy!
                      5. +3
                        12 August 2012 14: 33
                        Unfortunately, there is not a single country that would pursue a fair policy, there is always its own interest and several different options for the development of events, but you must agree that everything depends not only on us, now you are ruled by a completely sane Aliyev, and what if an ardent nationalist comes to power? breaking wood is a matter of a few minutes, but it will take years to clear it out
                      6. Karabekir
                        -1
                        12 August 2012 14: 46
                        Quote: Ruslan67

                        Unfortunately, there is not a single country that would pursue a fair policy; there is always an interest and several different options for the development of events, but you must agree, it all depends

                        Of course, I agree with you in many ways, especially in matters of justice!

                        Quote: Ruslan67
                        everything depends not only on us, now you are ruled by a completely sane Aliyev, but what if an ardent nationalist comes to power? breaking wood is a matter of a few minutes, but it will take years to clear it out

                        a lot depends on Russia and therefore the sooner this issue is resolved peacefully and fairly, the more impossible it will be for the arrival of even a hypothetically *ardent nationalist* - by this name, based on past experience, I mean illiterate demogogues!!
                        It was thanks to Russia, or rather its policies, that they managed to overthrow Mutalibov and enlist the support of the population then!
                        It’s just that Russia’s policy in such conflicts is unclear and to the detriment of Russia’s interests!
                      7. +4
                        12 August 2012 15: 04
                        Don’t you think that it’s still not worth comparing Russia in the early 90s and now? We are also reaping the fruits of the collapse of the USSR and Yeltsin’s rule, and you can’t fix this in one day
                      8. Karabekir
                        0
                        12 August 2012 15: 22
                        Dear Ruslan!
                        Russia is different, I agree, but the policy on these issues has not changed!
                        If you wish, I can write my vision in detail to your email!
                        I think our discussion here will just drag on!
                        I will say one thing: you personally look at this problem as something distant for you, and only in the context of recent events did you focus your attention a little!
                        And we live by this every day and process a ton of material in our heads every day about the positions and actions of individual countries!!
                      9. +2
                        12 August 2012 15: 43
                        It’s not that it’s far away, I’m just trying to maintain objectivity and figure out exactly in the light of recent events what to expect next and how everything can turn out, but I must note that sometimes, even though a sharp exchange of opinions occurs only on your side, and this, frankly speaking, is alarming; I wouldn’t want anything to happen there They’ve already decided everything for themselves and now, without wasting time on talking, they’re just waiting for the moment
                      10. Karabekir
                        -1
                        12 August 2012 15: 56
                        Ruslan!
                        I’m not a little old anymore, even though I still feel young!
                        I don’t want this problem to remain with my children and grandchildren!
                        It all began with us and let it end with us!
                        I dream about this day and I swear, even if I know that I will be torn into small pieces and there will be nothing left of me, not even a memory, but we will liberate our lands, I will be the happiest person on earth!
                        What could be more beautiful than the fact that you were useful to the country?!!
                        Martyr who died for his homeland inshallah!
                      11. +3
                        12 August 2012 16: 06
                        From now on, as you say, what is far from me will become very close!
                      12. Karabekir
                        +3
                        12 August 2012 16: 16
                        Ruslan, I sincerely wish you and your compatriots that peace will always be close to you, and war very far away!
                        But even though I did something for my Motherland in my time, I still have my own scores to settle!!
                        with respect
                      13. +4
                        12 August 2012 16: 31
                        I'm sorry, but I asked Omar one question since you still have more radical opinions
                      14. Karabekir
                        +1
                        12 August 2012 16: 38
                        I think radical views have nothing to do with your question!
                        I think Omar has the same views as me!
                      15. +3
                        12 August 2012 18: 41
                        sorry again! but I meant precisely the judgments you express more emotionally, and literally a day ago, when the discussion of the Kurdish issue became very active, the article along with the discussion simply disappeared from the site, so I personally now try to filter the market, although in relation to the admins I can say that the question is not an article you can't remove it with a flick of your finger
                      16. Karabekir
                        -2
                        12 August 2012 18: 53
                        Ruslan!
                        I rarely write, but I’ve been following this site for a long time!
                        Usually, when a conversation about this begins, a couple of provocateurs from another camp appear with the goal of provoking a fight, as a result of which comments will be erased or the topic will be deleted so that there is no evidence, links left and so that others do not read!
                      17. +3
                        12 August 2012 19: 10
                        I’ve been wanting to write about this for a long time, I’ll take this opportunity, maybe it’s time for the admins to stop fighting for the supposed purity of the Russian language and stop deleting harsh comments? I’ll explain my position: I don’t believe that the intelligence services will ignore a patriotic site that has existed for many years with the presence of provocateurs, I absolutely agree and hate them with all my heart, it doesn’t matter who they stand for, but maybe it will be easier to track them and neutralize them at the right moment, if not delete them, and give them the opportunity to prove themselves and block them in earnest?
                      18. Ataturk
                        -2
                        12 August 2012 20: 21
                        Quote: Ruslan67
                        Omar, since you still have more radical judgments

                        Dear Ruslan, I read your question and answered. I will answer again.
                        Azerbaijan has no shortage of soldiers. Moreover, in our army, people often die. From lack of caution, sometimes due to disassembly, that is, there is a partial problem. I believe that it is better for us to have 10 people in the army, but experienced, strong-willed, trained, ardent patriots, than 100 unqualified soldiers. Those who trade in Russia, I found out this question, there are no more than 5000 of them in all of Russia. MAX. Of these, there are about 1000 men who can actually fight, and that is questionable. The next question is who feeds their family. I wouldn’t want the family’s breadwinner to disappear and then the family to wander around relatives for help and a piece of bread. Yes, and there is no such need. Full mobilization for Armenia? Don't think! If Iran were to attack us, that would be a different question. And my answer is this. Everyone is responsible for their own soul. If I say that everyone will trade, suddenly many will tell me, you know me, that’s what I answered. Slander will work. And this is a sin. And if I say, everyone will go, but in the end no one will go, I will remain in a funny position. So it’s better to let everyone answer for themselves.
                      19. Oleg0705
                        -3
                        12 August 2012 16: 57
                        Quote: Karabekir
                        What could be more beautiful than the fact that you were useful to the country?!!
                        Martyr who died for his homeland inshallah!


                        What do you think the Palestinian martyrs sacrifice themselves for?
                        Do you approve of their struggle for the freedom of their land using such methods?
                        Are they benefiting their homeland through self-sacrifice?
                        Do you consider them Shaheeds?
                        Thank you.
                      20. Karabekir
                        -1
                        12 August 2012 17: 05
                        Quote: Oleg0705
                        What do you think the Palestinian martyrs sacrifice themselves for?
                        Do you approve of their struggle for the freedom of their land using such methods?
                        Are they benefiting their homeland through self-sacrifice?

                        1. but comment! because at the moment I know, much more than three years ago!
                        2. under no circumstances!
                        3.they don’t even benefit themselves!
                        4. I cannot make a decision instead of the Almighty, but according to my knowledge and the fatwas of the most famous and all scientists, alas, they do not fall into the list of possible Martyrs!
                        Moreover, they are likened to those who seem to have thrown themselves headlong into an abyss!
                      21. Oleg0705
                        -3
                        12 August 2012 17: 22
                        Quote: Karabekir
                        1. but comment! because at the moment I know, much more than three years ago!

                        Could you clarify a little? If this is not a professional secret.
                      22. Karabekir
                        +1
                        12 August 2012 17: 37
                        In short, many of these people have become tools in the hands of unscrupulous people who have nothing to do with the struggle for liberation!
                      23. +2
                        12 August 2012 19: 16
                        I’ll answer a little late - I don’t consider Elchibey an illiterate half-wit - he’s a completely educated bastard
                  2. +3
                    11 August 2012 17: 22
                    referring to Wikipedia data is based on the principle - I heard your Beatles sing it to me on the phone
                  3. +1
                    11 August 2012 18: 48
                    Quote: vvvvv
                    I did it simply - I read Wikipedia: http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%CD%E0%E3%EE%F0%ED%FB%E9_%CA%E0%F0%E0%E1%E0%F5
                    What do you say, is it a lie?!

                    Dear Victor, I ask you not to use such a resource as Wikipedia as evidence. I won’t say that everything there is a complete lie, but I can’t call such a child of the Internet authoritative. Everything there is too one-sided and there was an opportunity to verify this.
                  4. gojesi
                    +1
                    12 August 2012 03: 12
                    Quote: vvvvv
                    I did it simply - I read Wikipedia

                    advice - in serious conversations, do not argue with Jewish Wiki...
                    1. -3
                      12 August 2012 14: 40
                      I'll take note. Perhaps I’m relying too much on conscientiousness... I’ve already been burned myself...
                2. +2
                  11 August 2012 22: 35
                  Yes, I didn’t know these pages of history...
                  It turns out that all the troubles that have haunted the Armenians throughout their history are what they themselves are calling upon.
                  They constantly intrigue, create some kind of secret sabotage organizations... and then get paid for it.
                  I have long been surprised by some of the historical events - troubles - that occur in different regions of the world; upon careful examination, it turns out that these troubles are to some extent deserved.
                  Afghanistan created a massacre among innocent soldiers who went there only to help its people (and for nothing else) and ran into “hospitality” - now the Afghans themselves cannot get out of this hole for many years.
                  Iran intrigued and harmed its peaceful neighbors - now it itself finds itself up to its neck in intrigue and international isolation.
                  Libya “flogged herself” - now difficult years await her.
                  The United States used its wealth for evil and is now rapidly becoming poorer.
                  ...
                  But there are also opposite examples.
                  The Chinese people endured and suffered a lot - now they are being rewarded for all these years.
                  Azerbaijan has also experienced a lot, but at the same time it did not harm anyone - and it is now on the rise and with good economic prospects.
                  1. Ataturk
                    -2
                    12 August 2012 04: 51
                    Quote: Andrey_K
                    Yes, I didn’t know these pages of history...
                    It turns out that all the troubles that have haunted the Armenians throughout their history are what they themselves are calling upon.
                    They constantly intrigue, create some kind of secret sabotage organizations... and then get paid for it.


                    Absolutely right Andrey.

                    Quote: Andrey_K
                    I have long been surprised by some of the historical events - troubles - that occur in different regions of the world; upon careful examination, it turns out that these troubles are to some extent deserved.


                    Nothing to say.

                    Quote: Andrey_K
                    Iran intrigued and harmed its peaceful neighbors - now it itself finds itself up to its neck in intrigue and international isolation.

                    Absolutely right. Whoever digs a hole ends up there himself.

                    Quote: Andrey_K
                    Azerbaijan has also experienced a lot, but at the same time it did not harm anyone - and it is now on the rise and with good economic prospects.

                    Absolutely right. If you look a little into history, from 95 to this day, notice that we share our wealth with everyone. The Armenians remained aloof from all projects. From all of us!!!!!! They don't have an economy. They live off help from outside. Their citizens are leaving the country. Men go north and women go south. To Turkey. They work there and look after the children. TURKOV.
                    Turks trust them with their children. What better chance could there be for them to correct their mistakes? I’ll say even more, these people who work in Turkey swear to the fullest extent of their rights. Because they themselves do not feed them and do not give them to others.

                    That's it.

                    And if the Armenians think that they will live peacefully in Karabakh, they are very deeply mistaken. If they think that the CSTO will help them, they are also mistaken. The question is different... Will Russia, for the sake of a country that has zero benefit, only expense, risk ruining relations with the entire Turkic and Islamic world for the sake of the Armenians? That is the question.
                    1. +2
                      12 August 2012 12: 23
                      Well, you don’t need to think much here.
                      If someone attacks Armenia itself, then 100% Russia will intervene, proof of this is the events in South Ossetia - it simply cannot lower its prestige so much as not to help its official ally.
                      But Karabakh is not recognized by anyone and there are no Russian peacekeepers there (because of whose death it would be formally possible to intervene) or anything like that.
                      So, if the conflict does not go beyond the borders, then Armenia itself (there is a possibility) will limit itself to sending volunteers and weapons.

                      Another thing is that a forceful solution to the conflict will greatly spoil relations between different countries.
                      Guerrilla warfare in the mountains can cause many casualties.
                      Although what I’m telling you is something everyone already knows.
                      Well, even if we assume that Azerbaijani troops captured Karabakh, what next?
                      What to do with the population?
                      Those. you will still have to somehow persuade and pacify them.
                      If this has to be done anyway, then why can’t it be done without a military conflict?
                      There are non-military methods - which are now known as a bag and a small cart.
                      From paying residents allowances for emigration to more civilized places, to... well, what is Georgia doing there now to “pull” the breakaway republics back.
                      It is true that there are still methods on the verge... (such as attracting Arab mercenaries), but I do not approve of them - you can ruin both your reputation and much more.
                      1. Karabekir
                        +1
                        12 August 2012 13: 56
                        Andrey_K
                        Based on the experience of previous relationships, guerrilla warfare is hardly possible!
                        If Azerbaijan liberates the territory of Karabakh by military means, the Armenians will not remain, that’s clear!!
                        Quote: Andrey_K
                        If this has to be done anyway, then why can’t it be done without a military conflict?

                        Firstly, there is no solution that would suit both sides of the conflict!
                        Secondly, solving the problem is unprofitable from the point of view of Russian policy in the region!!
                        This is the only lever of pressure on Azerbaijan!
                      2. 0
                        12 August 2012 17: 57
                        Yes, okay, what kind of pressure lever is there?
                        As if there is a need to put pressure on Azerbaijan - it would not be against good economic and political relations with Russia anyway, and only the Karabakh problem repels it.
                        Russia is very much interested in everything being resolved on its own, but the situation for it is a stalemate - no matter what it does, there are losses everywhere.
                        This situation can only be resolved by Azerbaijan and Armenia themselves and no one else.
                        You will say that Russia could put pressure on Armenia so that it would abandon its position.
                        But this is unrealistic - Armenia, under pressure, will never make any concessions - you yourself know - it will sit in isolation, bite the bit but will not retreat a single step.
                        It turns out that the hypothetical “pressure on Armenia” will simply result in a severance of all relations with it and hostility - i.e. useless and unprofitable action.
                        Moreover, even after this, Azerbaijan will still not become a best friend, and will not compensate for moral, political and other losses, but there will be losses for Russia.
                      3. Karabekir
                        0
                        12 August 2012 18: 10
                        Quote: Andrey_K

                        Yes, okay, what kind of pressure lever is there?

                        Andrew!
                        If you carefully followed the conflicts in the post-Soviet space, you wouldn’t even have any doubts!
                        The fact is that since the time of Yeltsin, politicians in Russia have believed that unresolved conflicts can prevent the countries involved from joining NATO!
                        Moreover, the unresolved nature of this conflict does not allow the fairly rich Azerbaijan to fully use its potential, and as a result of these actions, Armenia is also completely tied to Russia, and has largely lost its economic and political sovereignty!
                        Because all industry and more or less significant enterprises were given to pay off Russia's debts!
                        Quote: Andrey_K
                        You will say that Russia could put pressure on Armenia so that it would abandon its position.

                        How will it go!!
                        Once they tried to do this, realizing the futility of the occupation!
                        As a result, three terrorists shot at the parliament!
                        Remember how Lavrov, with one shout, forced the Minister of Foreign Affairs of Armenia to sign the Turkish-Armenian protocols!
                        And time is on our side anyway; sooner or later the Armenian economy will collapse!
                        Quote: Andrey_K
                        It turns out that the hypothetical “pressure on Armenia” will simply result in a severance of all relations with it and hostility - i.e. useless and unprofitable action.

                        Where should Armenia go?? And what is the benefit of Armenia for Russia economically??
                        Do you think Armenia considers Russia its best friend??
                        Go to any Armenian forum in the Armenia-Russia section and see what they really think about Russia!))
                        Here Ataturk has posted screenshots more than once!
                      4. 0
                        12 August 2012 19: 14
                        Well, it’s true that time is on Azerbaijan’s side.
                        But I don’t think that economics plays the main role in Russia’s relations with Armenia.
                        This is more of a psychology of national consciousness - Russia will never abandon an ally unless this ally himself is the first to abandon it - that is why they support Syria so stubbornly - there is no benefit there either, simply for reasons of principle.
                        And they stood up for South Ossetia, although they lost, it seems, about $50-100 billion of investor money from the economy - what kind of benefit is there, only losses.

                        But the Armenians know all this and want even more support (probably to be armed for free like the United States arms Israel) - Russia doesn’t do this, so they swear on the forums.
                      5. 0
                        12 August 2012 19: 30
                        Quote: Andrey_K
                        so that they are armed for free like the USA Israel

                        Israel's budget was 91 billion US dollars, Israel's defense budget averages 14 billion dollars, of which the country receives three billion as military aid from the United States.
                        Egypt also receives three million dollars under the agreement
                      6. Neutral
                        -1
                        12 August 2012 20: 46
                        As a result of these actions, Armenia is also completely tied to Russia, and has largely lost its economic and political sovereignty!
                        - where are the facts, Alibek-ogly???
                        Tell me how much money the Russian Federation has invested in Armenia?
                        So what, forget about these investments?
                        And by the way, Omarchik didn’t answer me yesterday, what do you think will happen in the first day of the conflict with the Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan and Baku-Tbilisi-Erzurum pipelines? How many kilometers are they from the front line?
                        And mind you, Russia will gain a fair amount, because... prices of both oil and gas will inexorably creep up.
                        So, brave askers, you will sit still))) until the owners from BP milk you completely.
                      7. Ataturk
                        -2
                        12 August 2012 21: 00
                        Quote: Neutral
                        Tbilisi-Ceyhan and Baku-Tbilisi-Erzurum? How many kilometers are they from the front line?

                        I won’t answer about Erzurum, but I will answer about Ceyhan. I will be very happy if you blow it up) Do you believe it? I'd really like to see this.

                        Quote: Neutral
                        until the owners from BP completely milk you out.

                        You didn’t accidentally confuse Russian-Armenian relations where there are masters and an outpost.

                        The power supply is the same master of us as the TV is of me.
                      8. Ataturk
                        -2
                        12 August 2012 20: 40
                        Quote: Andrey_K
                        Russia is very much interested in everything being resolved on its own, but the situation for it is a stalemate - no matter what it does, there are losses everywhere.


                        I don't agree with you. The Russian government speaks for territorial integrity, but the UN voted against it. Like the USA and France. And why?
                        Yes because
                        a) CSTO is located in Armenia
                        b) If he agrees, then the Armenians will say LEAVE the Caucasus.
                        c) Loses control and leverage over these countries.

                        Quote: Andrey_K
                        You will say that Russia could put pressure on Armenia so that it would abandon its position.
                        But this is unrealistic - Armenia, under pressure, will never make any concessions - you yourself know - it will sit in isolation, bite the bit but will not retreat a single step.


                        Andrey, in 99, Heydar Aliyev and Damirchyan, if I’m not mistaken, met in Moscow. Heydar Aliyev offered him, for the first time, the broadest autonomy. Like in Tatarstan. To which the President of Armenia then said with surprise (THERE ARE FACTS TO CONFIRM MY WORDS). HEYDAR ALIEVICH, YOU ARE SERIOUSLY READY TO GIVE US AUTONOMY. And then he said, let's put aside the problems and start building relationships. Let your people return and ours live, and then in 10 or 20 years we’ll hold a referendum...And I was ALREADY ready to move away from my position of occupation. Just after these words of his, those behind the scenes call him and tell him, what have you spun, ONLY INDEPENDENCE, period. ORDER - from the Kremlin. Next, the Russian government is taking a desperate step, since the Armenian parliament was ready to compromise. AS A RESULT, a kick to this president, and armed people enter the country's parliament and shoot everyone.

                        So what can you say?

                        Why should Russia lose the leverage it itself created?
                      9. +1
                        12 August 2012 21: 04
                        In 99, Russia was indeed ruled from Washington.
                      10. Ataturk
                        -2
                        12 August 2012 20: 30
                        Quote: Andrey_K
                        Well, even if we assume that Azerbaijani troops captured Karabakh, what next?

                        If they return the land before the war starts, then I think they will be able to live there. If there is no result and we start a war, then after the war they will no longer be there. And there will only be ours. Next there will be worldwide hysteria. They will return under pressure from the UN. This would be a big mistake. But if refugees from Armenia return to Karabakh like this, then there will definitely be a massacre there. Previously, back in the USSR, when the Armenians drew maps and Karabakh was part of Armenia, ours were silent for the sake of the friendship of peoples, but in this case, if they do anything wrong, there will immediately be a massacre.



                        Quote: Andrey_K
                        It’s true that there are still methods on the verge ... (such as attracting Arab mercenaries), but I do not approve of them


                        Many people say and think that Azerbaijan is on Turkey’s side because of fraternal relations on the issue of Syria, but everyone is deeply mistaken. There were many Armenians from Syria and mercenaries from Syria in Karabakh. So there is no way without this.

                        We are ready for such events because we have prepared for this scenario.
                  2. Kamilla
                    +2
                    12 August 2012 12: 22
                    Quote: Andrey_K
                    Azerbaijan has also experienced a lot, but at the same time it did not harm anyone - and it is now on the rise and with good economic prospects.


                    thank you very much for your kind words!! I also sincerely wish peace and prosperity to Ukraine!! drinks
                  3. -2
                    12 August 2012 14: 49
                    I have discussed such examples more than once in my own life, but not at the state level. But, in fact, I’m not entirely sure what the reward is...
                    Quite a few scum live happily until the end of their days, and Britain has been a colonialist for centuries and has brought troubles, perhaps, to billions of people over all this time. The opium wars alone are worth it... And that after the rise there may be a decline - this may not be “the ways of the Lord,” but simply some miscalculations, or it just so happened. In any case, the establishment has the least to lose...
                    1. 0
                      12 August 2012 17: 44
                      Even though England did a lot of bad things, the British Empire didn’t fall apart just like that - everything they plundered, everything they lost - now they’re sitting on their own island.
                      True, there are former colonies of the USA and Australia ... so the Australians, one might say, deserved it too - why should they suffer for the sins of Britain? - they started life with a clean slate (like the USA) - so everything is fine with them.
                      China is now getting a kickback for the Opium Wars.
                      But here are two similar countries (there are many examples), but one of the evil ones does not come out, and the other is all right - why is this?

                      Vietnam - the economy is now on the rise and compared to its neighbors it looks like Germany compared to Greece.
                      You can’t help but think that this is retribution for their past suffering.

                      In the examples of individual people, it’s true that there is no justice, well, maybe they will be rewarded later - we don’t know, but how the destinies of countries change in an incomprehensible way is some kind of mystery.

                      Here's another example, Kazakhstan - you can't say that it has more mineral resources than Tajikistan or any other country in Central Asia, but what a difference it makes in the economy and standard of living!
                      1. Karabekir
                        0
                        12 August 2012 17: 50
                        Quote: Andrey_K
                        Here's another example, Kazakhstan - you can't say that it has more mineral resources than Tajikistan or any other country in Central Asia, but what a difference it makes in the economy and standard of living

                        This is exactly the case, that is, Kazakhstan has many times more mineral resources than in Tajikistan or, for example, in Kyrgyzstan!
                      2. 0
                        12 August 2012 19: 21
                        No, everyone has deposits of fossils there, but they have not been developed.
                        We make a random query on Google, for example about Kyrgyzstan:
                        It reads:
                        The first auction for the sale of mineral deposits will be held in Kyrgyzstan. 28 of them will be put up for auction, which is scheduled for August 2012, 12 - Atoynakskoye, Ayuchachi, Karakudzhurskoye, Bashkyterek, Beshbelchir, (Minkush (Agulak section), Kurgantyube, Chokmaksuiskoye, Tuyukskoye, Karakichinskoye, Balyktinskoye, Kuylyu-Echikilitashskoye. They are located in the Jalal-Abad, Naryn, Issyk-Kul and Chui regions of Kyrgyzstan. Six of the lots put up for auction are deposits containing placer gold, five are gold deposits with the presence of other metals. One is a coal mine.

                        http://www.rg.ru/2012/08/01/ibraev.html
                  4. Neutral
                    -1
                    12 August 2012 20: 38
                    No one in their right mind would click anything on their own head, dear Andrey.
                    Azerbaijan has also experienced a lot, but at the same time it did not harm anyone - and it is now on the rise and with good economic prospects.
                    - what do you know about their harm?
                    Who are we talking about harm to?
                    They constantly intrigue, create some kind of secret sabotage organizations... and then get paid for it
                    - Do you have any knowledge about these organizations to say that?
                    Have you ever been among the Turks? Did you live side by side with them?
                    The Armenians entered into an alliance with the Tsar of the Russian Empire! With the arrival of the Bolsheviks, Lenin did not care about these agreements.
                    As a result, we lost a lot.
                    We are slowly catching up, really Omar))))
                    1. Ataturk
                      -2
                      12 August 2012 20: 56
                      Quote: Neutral
                      The Armenians entered into an alliance with the Tsar of the Russian Empire! With the arrival of the Bolsheviks, Lenin did not care about these agreements.


                      SHOULD I put a video on your nonsense or what?
                    2. iravanxan
                      0
                      12 August 2012 23: 16
                      answer agree neither Russia nor Türkiye is participating

                      Only Armenia and Azerbaijan agree to fight one on one and the “heroes” am
            3. Kamilla
              +3
              12 August 2012 12: 39
              Quote: Ataturk

              Where has human justice gone? Why does everyone see US, but do not notice what they are doing towards US. This surprises me!


              the policy of double standards, dear, is just politics...if tomorrow, it will be more profitable to be more friends with Azerbaijan...everyone will spit on Armenia, on a strategic ally, on the so-called genocide, on the right of self-determination of peoples....and all that, In Armenia, it’s enough to make a small mistake and that’s it...
              1. Neutral
                -1
                12 August 2012 20: 47
                It will never be beneficial to be friends with Azerbaijan.
                How can you be friends with the Turks (in the political sense)?
                "You will lie to your face, and then you will give a kick in the ass"
                1. Ataturk
                  -2
                  12 August 2012 21: 01
                  Quote: Neutral
                  How can you be friends with the Turks (in the political sense)?

                  Is this why you are so eager to go to Turkey to work?
                  That’s why Serge wanted to play football diplomacy)))))))
                  who are you chasing?

                  LIE??? read about the peoples of the Caucasus, about their characters and essence, I think you will be disappointed by what is written)
                2. iravanxan
                  0
                  12 August 2012 23: 15
                  It’s thanks to Russia that you are such heroes, let’s face it one on one am
          2. Karabekir
            0
            11 August 2012 19: 19
            Quote: vvvvv
            You are very passionate in what can be said frankly, a centuries-old enmity.
            Russians are more tolerant. I am not inclined to idealize anyone. But for all thoughts to be only about enmity is a bad option. And it will DEFINITELY end in blood... Turkey, Azerbaijan, Armenia, Iran, the Kurds - this is, at a minimum, your regional “tangle”. And this lasts for centuries... Is this normal?!
            The USSR, and now Russia, somehow stabilized the situation, preventing it from escalating into war. Everyone thinks that he is right. In this situation, it is difficult to decide unambiguously what is correct. But for many years there was peace or relative peace, and people lived. And now you yourself are escalating the situation. I am already convinced that Azerbaijan 100% wants a war with Armenia...

            What does it mean that Azerbaijan thirsts for war??
            Our territories are occupied and we must and are obliged to liberate them and put the aggressor in his place!!
            Let us seize half of Armenia and look for a peaceful solution, which will consist of recognition of the status of the occupied territories!!
            Please think before you write!
            1. -1
              12 August 2012 02: 58
              Sources say that Nagorno-Karabakh is where Armenians originally lived.
              I asked Ataturk to cite other sources, but he didn’t do it, but said that the conversation with me was over... When there are no arguments, do you include other ways to achieve what you want?!
              There is official science, archaeological and historical data. I trust them. Where is the evidence that this is the original territory of Azerbaijan?
              1. Ataturk
                0
                12 August 2012 04: 55
                Quote: vvvvv
                I asked Ataturk to cite other sources, but he didn’t do it, but said that the conversation with me was over... When there are no arguments, do you include other ways to achieve what you want?!


                I laid out the facts at the top, isn’t that a fact for you? I posted the video, isn't it? the name of Karabakh already indicates that it is ours. And the founder of Karabakh is Panah Ali Khan. And the Armenians who talk about Christianity about their churches. All their churches are Albanian churches, and we were Albanians. Look at their temples carefully and then in the search write Caucasian Albania, and then their temples.

                There is a video at the top...look and you will understand.
                1. Neutral
                  -1
                  12 August 2012 20: 53
                  Tomorrow you will post a video saying that your mother is Jennifer Lopez, so what?
                  Believe everything?
                  There are a lot of works by geographers, in different languages, starting from the beginning of the millennium, i.e. from the first centuries AD.
                  If you want to be enlightened, ask, I’ll give you where to look.
                  But do you need it?
                  You are a major of the Ministry of National Security of Azerbaijan, earning your living.
                  And now you only give bread for lying!
                  Even your famous forger Z. Buniyatov could not come up with this))
              2. Kamilla
                +3
                12 August 2012 12: 18
                Quote: vvvvv
                Sources say that Nagorno-Karabakh is where Armenians originally lived.


                sorry, what sources?? Armenians appeared on the territory of Nagorno-Karabakh in the 19th century, even Armenian sources say about this, they were resettled from Iran and Turkey... in Karabakh there was even a monument dedicated to the 150th anniversary of the resettlement of Armenians to the lands of Karabakh, which they later destroyed(
                and in ancient times it was Caucasian Albania, and Albanians lived there, who played their role in the ethnogenesis of the Azerbaijani people... in the 7th century, the ruler of Albania was Dzhevanshir, from the Mehranid clan (even his name suggests that he was a Turk)... in 681 he was killed, and the Khazars broke into the country, then the Arabs... and Albania began to be ruled by an Arab governor - the emir. The country's independence came to an end... and there was no smell of Armenians there.
                1. -3
                  12 August 2012 13: 31
                  Official sources. You can say anything. Give me a link.
                  Should I have looked for you?!
                  http://slovari.yandex.ru/~книги/БСЭ/Нагорно-Карабахская%20автономная%20область/
                  1. Karabekir
                    0
                    12 August 2012 13: 59
                    At the beginning of the twentieth century, the Armenian historian N. Adons, speaking about the origin of the Armenians, pointed out that the Phrygian Armenians, as a result of the influx of Cimmerian tribes, oppressed from their places in Asia Minor, crossed the Euphrates River, mixed with the local Aramaic population. As a result of the mixing of the newcomer Phrygians and aborigines of Aramaic origin, the foundation of the Armenian nation was laid. The dual name of the Armenians - hai and armenius - is an excellent proof of their dual origin. At the beginning of the last century, another Armenian author wrote: “The true homeland of the Armenians... is Asia Minor, i.e. outside the borders of Russia, and the Armenians were scattered throughout the Caucasus, except for some provinces of Transcaucasia (mainly Iryavan province), during the last century.”
                    Such Armenian historians of the Middle Ages as Anania Shirakli, Moses Khorenli and others confirm the fact that Nagorno-Karabakh (Artsakh) is a historical province of Albania. In “Albanian History” by Musa Kalankatla there is no information about the presence of Armenians in the territory of Nagorno-Karabakh (Artsakh).
                    1. Karabekir
                      0
                      12 August 2012 14: 04
                      Studies of materials from a desk description of the Karabakh province in 1823 show that at that time there was 1 city and 629 rural settlements on the territory of Karabakh. Of these villages, 436 are Azerbaijani, 161 are Armenian, 2 are mixed, 30 are of unspecified ethnicity. In the 1823 census, villages in which two or even one Armenian family lived were indicated as Armenian. Consequently, villages with an unspecified ethnicity were of Turkic origin. Historical facts prove that during the Russian-Iranian war, only the population of Turkic origin left the territory of Karabakh. The desk records of 1823, one might say, did not record a single case of Armenians leaving Karabakh. On the contrary, registration materials show that in 1817–1823 the Armenian population of the regions of Khoy, Bayezid, Van and various regions of Iran migrated to the territory of Karabakh. On April 24, 1828, Paskevich gave an order to the head of the resettlement policy, Lazarev, to resettle a large part of the settlers, especially representatives of the poorest classes, into the territory of Karabakh.
                      Back in 1911, the Russian researcher N. Shavrov noted that in the 1828–1830s, more than 40,000 Armenians from Iran and 84,600 Armenians from Turkey were resettled in the territories of Iryavan and Elizavetpol provinces, in which the presence of the Armenian population was approaching zero. The resettlement was especially large-scale in the mountainous part of the Elizavetpol province (Nagorno-Karabakh) and the coastal zones of Lake Goygol. Shavrov also wrote that of the 1,300,000 Armenians living in Transcaucasia, more than 1 million are newcomers.
                      Point XV of the “Turkmenchay Peace Treaty” signed on February 10, 1828 implied the resettlement of Armenians. To organize the resettlement of Armenians in Iryavan and Nakhichevan, resettlement committees were created. The settlers received extensive benefits: they were exempt from taxes and duties for 6 years, they received funds as compensation from Iran. Emperor Nicholas I of Russia, by decree of March 21, 1828, abolishes the Iryavan and Nakhichevan khanates and announces the creation on their basis of a new administrative institution controlled by Russian rulers - the “Armenian Region”. In 1849, the region was renamed Iryavan province.
                      1. Karabekir
                        0
                        12 August 2012 14: 06
                        At the end of 1922, the issue of dividing Karabakh into highland and lowland administrative territorial units was again raised. A commission consisting of Garayev, Dovlatov and Mikoyan prepared a proposal and presented it to the plenum of the Transcaucasian Regional Committee. On the recommendation of the Regional Committee, on July 1, 1923, the Communist Party of Azerbaijan granted autonomy to the Mountainous part of Karabakh, and on July 7, this decree was announced. This is how NKAO appeared.
                        Due to the irresponsibility of the then leadership, the Nagorno-Karabakh Autonomous Region was established not by geographical location, but in favor of the Armenians - by ethnicity. As an example, we can point out that the Turkic villages of Azerbaijan located at a distance of 10-20 km from Agdare were not included in the region, and villages with a predominantly Armenian population even at a distance of 40-60 km were included in the territory of the administrative institution. Thus, the highland and lowland parts of Karabakh were separated from each other.
                        This number increased to 1970 thousand people in 27,2, i.e. 18,1% and in 1979 – up to 37,2 thousand people, i.e. 23,0%. And the population census for 1989 recorded the figure of 40,6 thousand people. The occasional forced relocation of Azerbaijanis from their historical lands has had a negative impact on the growth rate of these numbers.
                      2. -2
                        12 August 2012 14: 26
                        That’s why I wrote that you know what you’re talking about, but others don’t, i.e. You need to provide information and links. So, I was not lazy and read it on Wikipedia, but it says something completely different from what you write. I doubted the correctness of Ataturk and directly and honestly reported what and how. He began to insist that he was right. I asked for a link to other sources, but he acted differently - he pouted at me. I already asked you for links again, but I wasn’t too lazy and looked for them myself. I found another piece of information that is close to yours.
                        After all, you need to speak reasonedly for a person to trust.
                        Is not it?! But they can say a lot simply in words.
                      3. Karabekir
                        +1
                        12 August 2012 14: 38
                        Victor Wikipedia is not a serious publication and everyone knows it!
                        I gave you excerpts from the books of Armenian and Russian scientists with indications of the names of the books and pages where it was written, so that it would be easier for you!!
                        Just dear Victor, you wrote, you agree a little aggressively and your opponent might think that you do not accept his position on principle!
                        I saw your opponent’s posts here, take my word for it, he has a huge archive of links on this issue!
                        with respect
                      4. Neutral
                        -1
                        12 August 2012 20: 56
                        Jean Chardin, “The Journey of the Cavalier Chardin through Transcaucasia in 1672-1678.” // Caucasian Bulletin, No. 9. 1901,” 10th century: “On the XNUMXth, continuing our journey, we made eight miles. A large settlement called Sedarek remained halfway to our left; in its significance it corresponds to the main city of that part of Armenia called Sharur. The head of this part of Armenia lives in this settlement. We spent the night in a destroyed caravanserai, near the village of Nuratshin.

                        On the 11th we made four miles along the same road and over the same beautiful country, but less level, but rocky and hilly. We crossed the Kharpasuy River, which irrigates neighboring lands; it separates the part of Armenia with its capital, Erivan, from the part with its capital, Nakhichevan.

                        On the 12th, after walking five miles through smooth and fertile valleys, we arrived at Nakhichevan. (...) Persian history, as already said, claims that this city was one of the largest and most beautiful cities in Armenia.” (…)“The city of Nakhchivan at 38° 40' latitude and 81° 31' longitude. Being the capital of a part of Armenia, it is ruled by a khan.” (...) “Julfa with all its forts and fortifications was destroyed by Abas the Great. He did this for the same reason that he destroyed Nakhichevan and other cities of Armenia located on the same line, namely, in order to deprive the Turkish army of vital supplies.” (...) “Araks is the famous river separating Armenia from Media.”

                        As we see, Chardin, following Tektander, calls Yerevan, Nakhichevan, Jugu, as well as Sharur (now part of the Nakhichevan Autonomous Republic) cities of Armenia. And describing the departure from Julfa, Chardin, mentioning the Araks, notes that this river separates “Armenia from Media,” i.e., in fact, he classifies the lands north of this natural geographical boundary as Armenia. By Media, Aderbeijan is clearly meant, historically located south of the Araks.
                      5. Ataturk
                        +1
                        12 August 2012 14: 54
                        Quote: vvvvv
                        I doubted the correctness of Ataturk and directly and honestly reported what and how. He began to insist that he was right. I asked for a link to other sources, but he acted differently - he pouted at me. I already asked you for links again, but I wasn’t too lazy and looked for them myself. I found another piece of information that is close to yours.

                        I gave you links and videos. I can do it again.

                        HISTORY OF AZERBAIJAN
                        BY DOCUMENTS AND
                        PUBLICATIONS
                        http://erevangala500.com/booke//pdf/1334573837.pdf

                        Armenia and Nagorno-Karabakh. Formation of myths
                        New York 2005. The researcher’s book contains numerous facts, chronicles, quotes and excerpts from various famous people about Armenian nationalism, the activities of Armenian organizations and the church, complicity with terrorism and the occupation of Azerbaijani lands by the Armenian diaspora and the leadership of Armenia. 25 pp.
                        http://erevangala500.com/?direct=kitab&id=36

                        Nagorno-Karabakh events, facts and figures
                        The book contains scientific articles showing the historical processes taking place around Karabakh. Including in the collection, Armenian separatism in Nagorno-Karabakh, the policy of conquest and genocide against the Azerbaijani people by Armenia were documented. 116 pp.
                        http://erevangala500.com/booke//pdf/1323215243.pdf

                        Karabakh since ancient times
                        http://erevangala500.com/?direct=page&id=145

                        Karabakh through the eyes of Russians
                        Discussion club “We are Russians”
                        Program “Nagorno-Karabakh through the eyes of Russians”
                        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxR0chTmH2I
                        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NjxKoeqCVQ
                        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SpxVQQ-gAxE

                        NAGORNO-KARABAKH:
                        EVENTS, FACTS
                        AND NUMBERS
                        http://erevangala500.com/booke//pdf/1323215243.pdf

                        In general, this site has everything, especially documents.
                        http://erevangala500.com/

                        What else do you need?
                        Take a look at my old posts, you will find a lot of interesting things there.
                      6. Neutral
                        -1
                        12 August 2012 20: 56
                        Georg Tektander, “Journey to Persia through Muscovy” (translated by A. I. Stankevich, 1896), 50.000th century: “All the cities and villages, then, wherever we went, submitted to the Persians voluntarily, without any opposition, like n. city ​​of Marant in Media, Nakhichevan, Julfa (Nachtzschiruan, Sulpha) in Armenia and many others, which I myself witnessed.” (...) “Having arrived in Armenia, His Majesty also did not meet any resistance, and everything continued to go quite well. In the city of Julfa (Sulpha), a strong fortress inhabited exclusively by Christians, Armenians, the Shah was received in an unusually magnificent manner: in his honor in Ezda (Probably a typo. More correctly, entry. N.M.) all the houses in the city, built without roofs , but with balconies at the top, they were studded (bestecket) with candles, of which there were up to 150 and which burned throughout the night.” (...) “From the above-mentioned fortress of Julfa (Sulpha), His Highness moved on and besieged Yerivan, the main fortress of Lesser Armenia, located XNUMX German miles from Tabriz, quite strongly fortified and conveniently located in fertile terrain. Three miles away there are three churches, several hundred years old; two of them have completely collapsed, but the main one, called Utzschklissa in Turkish, is maintained in good condition. (...) Arriving there, I was received by the Armenians with royal honors, and first of all they took me to the church, where they showed me a withered human hand, dressed in gold, and explained to me through my interpreter that this was the right hand of Gregory of Nazianzus, buried here . The church itself is perfectly built of white hewn stone, with a beautiful vault with a round hole at the top, but there are no images inside it at all, and when I asked about the reason for this, they answered me that the Turks now do not allow them to have images and bells, which before they had."

                        Having visited these parts in the beginning. XVII century G. Tektander lists the cities of Armenia: Erivan ((Yerevan) - “the main fortress of Lesser Armenia", Nakhichevan (Nakhijevan) and Julfa (Jugu). When describing the latter, he, speaking about the ethnic composition of the city, names Armenians as the predominant population Not a word about “Western Azerbaijan” and its “most autochthonous” Oghuz inhabitants.
                      7. -2
                        12 August 2012 14: 08
                        So are Armenians Iranians or not? And who are the Cimmerians now, don’t they know?
                      8. Neutral
                        0
                        12 August 2012 20: 55
                        Ibn-Haukal confirms Istakhri’s information and also calls all the territories between Berda and Dvin Armenian lands. The conclusions we made above are confirmed.

                        I. Shiltberger, “The Travels of Ivan Shiltberger through Europe, Asia and Africa from 1394 to 1427” (translated by F. Bruna. Odessa, 1866), XV century: “I also spent a lot of time in Armenia. After the death of Tamerlane, I went to his son, who owned two kingdoms in Armenia. This son, named Shah-Rokh, used to spend the winter on a large plain called Karawag, which has good pastures. It is irrigated by the river Kur (chur), also called Tigris (tigris), and the best silk is collected near the banks of this river. Although this plain lies in Armenia, nevertheless it belongs to the pagans, to whom the Armenian villages are forced to pay tribute. The Armenians always treated me well because I was a German, and they are generally very disposed in favor of the Germans (nymitch), as they call us. They taught me their language and gave me their pater noster."

                        The German traveler I. Schiltberger, who visited Karabakh at the beginning of the 15th century, emphasizes that Artsakh (Karabakh) belongs to Armenia and talks about the Armenian villages of the region.
                      9. iravanxan
                        0
                        12 August 2012 23: 13
                        am You’re here about history, don’t talk about history, answer my specific questions and don’t use demagogy here - asala am
                    2. -2
                      12 August 2012 14: 05
                      Are you making negative comments about everything to me?!
                      1. Karabekir
                        +2
                        12 August 2012 14: 07
                        Honestly, I see how you are sick of the minuses and decided to give you a minus!
                        You are like a little child, honestly!
                        It turned out to be a plus))))))))
                      2. -3
                        12 August 2012 14: 29
                        I'm sick of petty quiet people and anonymous voting.
                        If someone is against it, then say it directly, isn’t it?!
                      3. Karabekir
                        +2
                        12 August 2012 14: 41
                        Victor!
                        You’ve been here for a long time and know perfectly well what’s going on here!
                        Score it!
                      4. -4
                        12 August 2012 15: 00
                        I look and they’ve started working on you... I’ll correct it now. Hit yourself against the wall, you wretches...
                      5. Ataturk
                        +1
                        12 August 2012 15: 15
                        Quote: vvvvv
                        I look and they’ve started working on you... I’ll correct it now. Hit yourself against the wall, you wretches.


                        Whatever I write, 2 logins - I know one, I’m suspicious of the other, they immediately give me 2 minuses. For any text)))) So forget it.

                        I always said, these are cowards, there is no point in openly writing a minus to you for this and for this. They're like rats from behind....That's all they can do) so relax
                      6. Karabekir
                        +1
                        12 August 2012 15: 23
                        Victor, no, I beg you!))))))))
                        I swear to everything that is dear to me, I don’t give a damn))) don’t waste time)))
                      7. Neutral
                        -1
                        12 August 2012 20: 56
                        Heraclius II, “Description of the cities and places close to Georgia and Kakheti, where which army and which people live, and whose possessions they are, as given by King Heraclius to the one sent to the highest. e.n. V. Prince's yard Artemy Andronikov for submission of e.s. Count N.I. Panin, in the Georgian dialect”, XVIII century: “The city of Erevan, the province was before this Armenian possession, the capital city, now the ruler is the Persian governor, and the Armenian patriarch is located there; the places are mountainous, steppe and fertile, the people are settled under a lot of Armenian law...” (...) “Khams is a possession and in these there are seven voivodeships, the whole people are under the Armenian law, in that possession is the Armenian patriarch; when the Shah of Persitsa passed away, then from their side one person, according to the Mohammedan law and from the Javanshir people, took power; Among that government, Khamsa, there is an ancient fortress, which they took by deception, and war with the Javanshirs took place on our side many times, but with God's help they were always defeated and ruined by us - only these Javanshirs, and not the Armenian law, - and in the present For some time, due to some circumstances, peace was concluded on both sides. The Armenians have a large fortress, the places are mountainous, forested, and, moreover, the fields are fertile; The Javanshir people will go to war two thousand five hundred people, and the Armenians four thousand five hundred, and this possession consists of the ascent of their noon. This boorish possession lies in the middle of Shirvan, Nakhchevan, Genzhi and Karadaghi, and the Armenians, boorish to the army, are very brave; and since in the seven parts shown the governors do not agree with each other, it is because of their disagreement that the Javanshars brought them under their authority.”

                        These quotes say it all. Artsakh (Karabakh) and Yerevan were historical and geographical parts of Armenia throughout its entire historical path and were predominantly inhabited by Armenians. As for the head of the “independent Albanian Church”, which in fact was the Catholicosate of the AAC (and since 705, as K. Trever noted), the Georgian king calls him the “Armenian Patriarch”.
                    3. Neutral
                      0
                      12 August 2012 20: 55
                      Istakhri, “Book of the Ways of Kingdoms,” 10th century: “Dabil is greater than Ardabil; this city serves as the capital of Armenia and in it the palace of the ruler is similar to the palace of the ruler of Arran in Berda'a and the palace of the ruler of Aderbeijan in Ardabil.” “Dabil is the capital of Armenia and in it is Sanbat, the son of Ashut. The city was constantly in the hands of noble Christians, and Christians make up the majority of the inhabitants of Armenia, also known as the “kingdom of Arman.” Armenia borders with Rum and its borders reach Berda'a, Jazira and Aderbeijan" (...) "Nashava, Berkeri, Khilat, Manazkird, Badlis, Kalikala, Arzan, Mayafarikin and Siraj - these cities are insignificant, similar in size, but flourishing , and their entire population is rich.”

                      In the above passage by the Iranian-Arab geographer we are talking about the realities of the 10th century. And it follows from it that a) the capital of Bagradite Armenia was Dvin, located on the Ararat Plain, near modern Yerevan; b) the eastern limit of Armenia was Berda, i.e. the Bagratid state included A*r*ts*a*kh, Syunik, Nakhijevan, Gegharkunik and other territories; c) among the cities of Armenia we find Nashava - the city of Nakhijevan (Nakhichevan), as well as Siraj - the Shirak region, geographically also located in the zone now conventionally called the South Caucasus; d) Berda and Aderbeijan are presented as separate administrative-territorial units.

                      Ibn-Haukal, “Book of Paths and Kingdoms”, 10th century: “There are two Armenias: one of them is internal, and the other is external. In outer Armenia there are cities of Muslims, which are in the possession of the latter, and they are constantly under the control of Muslims. Repeatedly an agreement was concluded with the Armenians regarding Armenia (Muslims protect, and Armenians pay tribute), and some part of it belonged to the Muslim kings; These are the cities: Arjish, Khilat, Manazkerd and Kalikala. Its outer borders: from the east to Berda'a, from the west to Jazira, from the south to Aderbeijan, and from the north to the lands of the state of Rum from Kalikala. (...) Previously it was said that there are two Armenias: internal - Dabil, Nashava, Kalikala; and the outer one - Berkeri, Khilat, Arjish, Vastan, Az-zavazan and the fortresses, districts and regions located between them.” (...) The path from Berzenj to Dabil goes through Armenian lands*; all these villages in contact with him and the cities are the possessions of Sanbat, the son of Ushut of Armenia, and were taken from him by Yusuf ibn Divdad unjustly and against the will of the Lord and his ambassador - may the Lord have mercy on him and save him!”

                      * as translator N. Karaulov noted, “Here, apparently due to a typo, Berzendzh stands instead of Berda'a, which is being discussed. Berzenj lies on the Kur, below Berda'a on the way to Bab-ul-Abwab."
                  2. Karabekir
                    +1
                    12 August 2012 14: 10
                    Quote: vvvvv
                    Official sources. You can say anything.


                    May 14, 1805 - The Karabakh Khanate becomes part of the Russian Empire. Russian scientist N. Dubrovin describes its geographical position as follows: “The Karabagh Khanate is limited: from the north by Ganzha, Shekoy and Shirvan; from the east by the Mugan steppe; from the south and south-east by the Araks River; from the west by the Nakhchivan Khanate and part of the Erivan region. Abundant with forests , Karabakh received its name from them, meaning black garden in the Aderbijan language" (Dubrovin N. History of the war and Russian rule in the Caucasus. - St. Petersburg, 1871, volume 1, book II. Transcaucasia, pp. 325-326).
                    Archival documents indicate that the Karabakh Khanate joined Russia as a truly Azerbaijani Khanate from the point of view of the Azerbaijani population that predominated on its territory and the Azerbaijani affiliation of the feudal elites that ruled it (the Khan’s family, owners of large lands, the clergy, etc.).
                    The Karabakh Khan Ibrahim Khalil Khan (1763-1806) owned most of the villages, property, gardens and arable lands of the Khanate, which was confirmed by prominent representatives of the Armenian nobility of Karabakh in a kabala (identification document) on September 11, 1798. These possessions and villages are named in the kabala “the legacy of the khan and his relatives” (History of Azerbaijan based on documents and publications. Baku, 1990, pp. 55-56). The Azerbaijani affiliation of the Khanate is also confirmed by the text of the preamble of the draft Treaty of May 14, 1805, which states “the entry of Ibrahim Khan of Shusha and Karabakh with his entire family, offspring and possessions into eternal citizenship of the All-Russian Empire” (Acts of the Caucasian Archaeographic Commission, Tiflis, 1868 , vol. 2, p. 705).
                    The population of the Khanate, predominantly Azerbaijani, amounted to 10000 families at that time. Describing the geography and history of this region, the Russian scientist N.N. Shavrov, who directly took part in the activities of the Caucasian administration for the colonization of Transcaucasian territories, noted that “the sedentary native population, belonging to the Tatar Azerbaijani tribe, was located from ancient times along the banks of the Kura and Araks and near the Talyshin Mountains" (Publication of the Russian collection. N.N. Shavrov. "A new threat to the Russian cause in Transcaucasia: the upcoming sale of Mugan to foreigners", St. Petersburg, 1911, p. 37).
                    1. Karabekir
                      +1
                      12 August 2012 14: 12
                      May 22, 1805 The commander of the tsarist troops in the Caucasus, Tsitsianov, wrote in his report No. 19 of May 22, 1805 that, due to its geographical location, Karabakh is the gateway to Azerbaijan, as well as Iran. He proposes to pay special attention to retaining and strengthening this region and begins to implement a long-term policy of colonization of the region. A long period of gradual resettlement of Armenians from Iran to Karabakh begins (Glinka S.N. Description of the resettlement of the Armenians of Adderbidzhan to Russia. M., 1831).
                      1810 According to official data, in the Karabakh Khanate there were up to 12 thousand families during this period, incl. 9500 Azerbaijani and 2500 Armenian (Annexation of Eastern Armenia to Russia. Volume 1, Yerevan, 1972, p. 562).
                      October 24, 1813 The Treaty of Gulistan (treaty) formalizes the entry of the Karabakh Khanate into the Russian Empire.
                      1822 - The Karabakh Khanate was liquidated, and a province of the same name was formed in its place. And it was during this period that the first document appeared, providing detailed information about the ethnic composition of the population of Karabakh - the Tax Register of the Karabakh Province ("Description of the Karabakh Province, compiled for 1823 by order of the chief administrator in Georgia, Ermolov, by the actual state councilor Mogilevsky and Colonel Ermolov 2nd" - Tiflis, 1866). According to the register, the province had one city - Shusha, and about 600 villages (450 Azerbaijani and 150 Armenian), in which about 20 families or about 000 inhabitants lived.
                      1825-1826 - during the Russian-Iranian war, 18 thousand Armenian families moved to Karabakh, new villages were formed - Maragaly, Janyatag, Yukhari Chayly, Ashagy Chayly, etc. According to the Russian ethnographer and historian Zelinsky, with the exception of the population of three Zangezur villages, the inhabitants of all Armenian villages are newcomers from the border provinces of Iran - Karadag, Ger-meli, Khoy and Salmas (Zelinsky S.P. Economic life of state peasants of the Zangezur district of the Elizavetpol province. Tiflis, 1886, p. 10).
                      On February 10, 1828, the Turkmenchay Peace Treaty was signed between Russia and Iran, which marked the beginning of the organized resettlement of Armenians from the South Azerbaijani khanates of Persia to Transcaucasia. Already on March 9, as the Russian writer S.N. Glinka (1775-1847) notes, “Armenians from various villages adjacent to Turkmenchay moved to Karabakh” (Glinka S.N. Decree, work., p. 48). The process of resettlement of Armenians was part of the colonization policy of tsarism and provided that “the increase in the established Christian tribal people could place a reliable stronghold on the border of Russia to repel the hostile actions of its neighboring inhabitants, especially the Turks, Persians and Highlanders” (Ibid., p. 93).
                      1. Karabekir
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                        On February 26, 1828, Karabakh becomes the main direction of Armenian immigration: “The unexpected influx of people into the newly conquered regions caused a shortage of bread in them. At this time, Lazarev (an ethnic Armenian appointed by Paskevich on February 26 to be responsible for the process of resettlement of Persian Armenians in Transcaucasia - approx. . author) received an order to try to direct the path of the settlers instead of the Khanates of Nakhichevan and Yerivan, to the Khanate of Karabakh, where, according to assumptions, they expected that there were abundant and reliable supplies" (Ibid., p. 87).
                        March 21, 1828 According to the decree of the Russian Emperor Nicholas I, the Azerbaijani Nakhchivan and Iravan Khanates were abolished and in their place a new administrative unit called the “Armenian Region” was formed, in 1849 renamed the Erivan Governorate.
                        On March 30, 1828, in the Iranian city of Urmia and other cities in the southern Azerbaijani khanates of Persia, where Armenians lived compactly, Colonel Lazarev addressed the Armenians: “By proxy of the Armenian people to me, in accordance with the duty assigned to me by our Commander-in-Chief, I declare you that the great Russian Monarch gives those who wish to resettle a reliable, calm and happy refuge in His state. In Erivan, Nakhichevan and Karabakh, where you choose, you will receive an abundance of grain-bearing land, partly sown, of which only a tenth is cultivated for the benefit of the treasury" ( Ibid., p. 108).
                        On June 18, 1828, the first - official - stage of the resettlement of Armenians ends: “Here is an impartial and accurate description of the resettlement of the Armenians of Adderbidzhan to the depths of Russia: in three months, more than 8000 families crossed the Araks. 14000 chervonets and 400 rubles were issued to assist them and for unforeseen expenses . silver. With such limited costs, Lazarev added about 40.000 new subjects to Russia... they will willingly contribute with new zeal to the general industry of their new fatherland" (Ibid., p. 92). Lazarev himself in his report cites the figure of 8249 families (Ibid., p. 131). Next, the process of immigration of Turkish Armenians to the territory of Karabakh begins: “In subsequent times, the resettlement of Turkish Armenians within Russia is a consequence and continuation of the initial resettlement of the Persian Adderbijan Armenians” (Ibid., p. 141).
                        July 10, 1828 From a letter from A.S. Griboyedov, appointed on April 15, 1828 as the plenipotentiary minister of Russia to Persia, to K.K. Rodofinikin: “The Khoy province is still occupied by our troops, and more than 8000 Armenian families have already been resettled on this side of the Araks , the rest are brought out after them" (Griboedov A.S. Pol. collected works in 2 volumes, Pravda Publishing House, M. 1971, vol. 2, p. 300). This figure is confirmed by data provided by Zelinsky, who indicates the resettlement of 8.249 Armenian families located in the Iravan province, Karabakh province and Shemakha district (Zelinsky S.P. Decree, work., p. 10).
                      2. Karabekir
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                        September 7, 1828 In Tiflis, the “Project for the Establishment of the Russian-Transcaucasian Company”, prepared by Griboyedov, was published, aimed at transforming this region; the project also concerned the situation of the Armenian settlers: “The undersigned consider it their duty to touch upon the Armenians who have again crossed into Russian borders because of Araks. This numerous emigration, although prompted by the words of the Turkmenchay Treaty, could not have been foreseen when it was signed... It was carried out in the first four months after pacification; nothing was and could not be prepared for their acceptance. benefits are not enough; their own ignorance of the region, which is new to them, can be disastrous for them; a change in the air from sultry to harsh, in the elevated zone of our regions and vice versa, all these difficulties may still continue" (Griboyedov A.S. Decree. collection. cit., vol. 2, p. 94).
                        September 1828. Heading from Tiflis to Tabriz and crossing the new Russian-Iranian border, Griboedov sends to the commander-in-chief of the Caucasian Corps I.F. Paskevich a “Note on the resettlement of Armenians from Persia to our regions”: “Your Excellency would like to find out more reliably through me about the methods , which were accepted for the resettlement of Armenians from Aderbeijan, and about their current settlement in our regions. This is the truth on this subject, as I know it. Colonel Lazarev considered himself the main instigator of this emigration. The active instruments in the resettlement were: Prince Argutinsky, Gamazov, and other subordinate officers acted under their influence. Colonel Lazarev thought only about writing proclamations, rather inappropriate, among other things, about the formation of a regular Armenian militia, even considering including in the circle of his plans, although well-intentioned, but thoughtlessly, Karabakh itself and other regions , having their own superiors and where special power from those established long ago could not be allowed... The Armenians are mostly settled on the lands of Muslim landowners. In the summer this could still be done. The owners, Muslims, were for the most part on nomads and had few occasions to communicate with aliens of other faiths... The settlers themselves are in cramped conditions and crowd out the Muslims, who are all grumbling and thoroughly... Much should be expected from the efforts of those who are now in charge of the settlement of aliens, especially from the book. Argutinsky... We also talked a lot about the suggestions that should be given to Muslims in order to reconcile them with their current burden, which will not last long, and to eradicate from them the fear that the Armenians will take possession forever of the lands where they are in the first place. once they let me in. In the same sense, I said it to the police chief, members of the board and khans who were here with me" (Griboedov A.S. Ibid., pp. 339-341).
                      3. Karabekir
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                        The modern Russian author E.N. Tsimbaeva, a researcher of the life activity of A.S. Griboedov, in Russia’s first scientific and artistic biography of the brilliant creator of “Woe from Wit” notes: “The resettlement of Armenians from southern Azerbaijan was carried out so poorly that in the Nakhchivan region in different its parts had at least one settler for every two old-timers. Naturally, the region could not withstand such an influx of people who needed housing, food and who, to the indignation of the locals, were exempt from taxes for six years according to the treaty. Griboyedov introduced the general (Paskevich - approx. . ed.) the most accurate information and demanded that before the winter some of the families be taken to the north (to the north of Nakhchivan lay Karabakh - ed.), where they are ready to receive them, where they have work; otherwise, the new provinces of Russia will end up in on the verge of a hunger riot. In Nakhichevan, centuries and sultans surrounded him, rightly grumbling about various oppressions and demanding immediate help. There was nothing to excuse him with" (Tsimbaeva E.N. Griboedov. M., 2003, series ZhZL, issue 827, p. 488). It is interesting that in this book, for the first time in Russian history, the version of the involvement of Persian Armenians in the murder of the great Russian poet is considered - as one of the main ones (Ibid., pp. 531-532).
                        1828-1830 In accordance with the Turkmenchay Treaty (Articles 14 and 15) and the Adrianople Peace Treaty between Russia and Turkey, about 200 thousand Armenians are moving to Transcaucasia from Iran and Turkey - according to the Russian historian and ethnographer N.N. Shavrov: "We began our colonization activities not with the settlement of Russian people in Transcaucasia, but with the settlement of foreigners... After the end of the war in 1826-1828, for two years, from 1828 to 1830, we resettled over 40.000 Persian and 84.000 Turkish Armenians in Transcaucasia and settled them in the best state-owned lands in the provinces of Elisavetpol and Erivan, where the Armenian population was negligible, and in Tiflis... More than 200.000 acres of state-owned land were allotted to them for settlement and more than 2.000.000 rubles of privately owned lands were purchased from Muslims. The provinces (current Nagorno-Karabakh - author's note) and the shores of Lake Gokchi (now Lake Sevan - author's note) were inhabited by these Armenians. It must be borne in mind that for the 124.000 Armenians officially resettled, many unofficial ones also resettled, so that the total number of resettled people significantly exceeds 200.000 people. After the Crimean campaign, a certain number of Armenians moved in again, not exactly registered" (Russian collection publication. Shavrov N.N. "A new threat to the Russian cause in Transcaucasia. St. Petersburg, 1911, p. 59).
                      4. Karabekir
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                        1911 Almost 100 years after the annexation of the Karabakh Khanate to Russia, a Russian scientist sums up the results of Russia’s policy in the region: “when, over time, an impartial researcher of historical documents lifts the veil over the past century of our possession of Transcaucasia, he will come to the undoubted conclusion that our policy is here, from the point of view of reason and common sense, it represents an inexplicable mystery... the largest number of immigrants falls to the lot of Armenians: thus, out of 1.300 thousand Armenians living in Transcaucasia, more than 1.000.000 souls do not belong to the indigenous inhabitants of the region and were settled by us. .. Making extensive use of perjury, the Armenians, who were landless aliens, seized vast expanses of state-owned lands" (Shavrov N.N., Decree, work., p. 58,60, 61-100). Next, the author makes a conclusion that became obvious to the tsarist administration in the Caucasus more than 65 years after the annexation of Karabakh to Russia: “Economic dominion in Transcaucasia was concentrated in the hands of the Armenians - they are now the masters of the region. The results of our colonization policy in Transcaucasia turned out to be disastrous” (There same, pp. 66-XNUMX).
                      5. Neutral
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                        12 August 2012 21: 00
                        Firstly, it is not clear how Voskanapat.info, headed by Levon Grantovich Melik-Shahnazaryan, is connected with the Armenian authorities? Secondly, Voskanapat is not biased; unlike some, we are not involved in primitive plagiarism from the works of Soviet scientists (with subsequent distortion of the meaning of stolen and taken out of context quotes) and trimming of historical sources. Well, and thirdly, regarding I. Orbeli’s book “Inscriptions of Gandzasar and Havatsptuk” and the Azerbaijani falsifications around it, A. Arzumanyan spoke out, noting that

                        “In St. Petersburg, at the Institute of Oriental Manuscripts of the Russian Academy of Sciences, a typographical print of this book, consisting of 42 pages, is kept. In the same archive there are other inscriptions, copied by the scientist in a small notebook entitled “Armenian inscriptions of Khachen.” (2). For I. Orbeli himself, as for any specialist in this field, the historical belonging of Karabakh to the Armenians did not raise any doubts. In one of his works, he says that the sometimes encountered terms “Albania-Agvank” are relics (3). Another oddity associated with the “recently found single copy” is the fact that quotes from the newly discovered “single surviving book” have been widely used by Azerbaijanis for several years now. Strange, isn't it?" (http://www.regnum.ru/news/1484341.html)

                        On our own behalf, we will add that Gasanova need not worry about the inscriptions on the walls of the medieval Armenian monastery Gandzasar. They are all made in Grabar (Old Armenian language), and there is not a single Gargarean inscription there, and never has been.
                      6. iravanxan
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                        12 August 2012 23: 11
                        who carved crosses on the chests of Azerbaijani women, ripped open the bellies of infants, threw them alive into the fire and the wax machine answer here in front of honest people am
                      7. Neutral
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                        12 August 2012 20: 59
                        Prominent Soviet Armenian scientists repeatedly caught Mamedova falsifying ( https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:4p4OQ93eHgkJ:hpj.asj-oa.am/4683/1/198
                        7-3(166).pdf+&hl=ru&gl=ru&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESgL6CCQfJu2ZdjIQPXcWfm61V2BfeW0OdmMl
                        x0jTGOIR7LTViK-jPloJz-RY-H14e7sVuGaacWDYyRXYZ2SxgMQkR508A9fj44HyZ19D2qSDCHj1Vwqs
                        alkGel-so8FMUrXGjwe&sig=AHIEtbQhFQgM-lCuswU0188CdMpw2ADvzw ), as well as Neymatov ( https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:0fJV2Q1piwoJ:hpj.asj-oa.am/4860/1/198
                        7-4(171).pdf+&hl=ru&gl=ru&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESgBGi0iC-vcC_Ko_zD7Oe5YajcXaIwr-VXg_
                        2xdaFkqdva6xAC_Bj84OcScddDW9VwzNHcZpFcFjoJUEc-MPuOWtxaoYPbPUrv1x54PX8Z18WZSIucIl
                        hnhq2Byn5cPvByHDvLz&sig=AHIEtbTzrY_v5IxqSm37dEgjQXIeIrywuA ). I strongly advise Hasanova to read the articles at the link and realize the true “value” of the works of the persons she mentioned.

                        Hasanova: “By the way, for the first time, we have created an expert council at the electronic portal from among prominent scientists from Azerbaijan, Russia, Georgia, Turkey, etc. Attracting researchers and scientists is a priority for the Center.”

                        Very “noticeable”, especially against the backdrop of clumsy plagiarism and falsifications in R. Guseinov’s scribble ( http://voskanapat.info/news/ocherednoj_likbez_dlja_rizvana_gusejnova/2012-08-04-
                        2405).

                        Further, Hasanova showers praises on F. Akhundov, an “indefatigable fighter” against Armenian “falsifications.” The voice of the great Azerbaijani political scientist-titan (or thunderer, as you wish), who spent the entire Karabakh war in Baku, as we learn from the lips of Hasanova, “scared” the Armenian leadership:

                        “This time, the Armenian authorities were so agitated that the “experts” engaged by them began to systematically argue with him through “Voice of Armenia”, “Voskanapat”, “Regnum” and other media. Fuad muallim presented our Center with a book by the first president of the Academy of Sciences of the Armenian SSR I. Orbeli “Inscriptions of Gandzasar and Avatzptuk." This became a sensation for the historical scientific community of the country. This is a book that included the most valuable inscriptions of Albanian monasteries, which Armenians today persistently call Armenian. It was published in Petrograd in 1919. However, there is a version that on the day the book was published, the author took away the entire edition from the publishing house. For almost a hundred years, Albanian scholars lamented that this valuable work, containing facts against Armenian fabrications, was lost to science. Chances of finding it were equal to zero. And imagine, Fuad Akhundov, with incredible difficulty, found one of several copies and presented this book to science, to the general scientific community.”
                      8. iravanxan
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                        12 August 2012 23: 09
                        your brothers from the Asala terrorist group blew up a subway train in Moscow in 1980, forgot "hero" am
                      9. Neutral
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                        12 August 2012 20: 59
                        As we previously noted in the article “The Map of Guillaume Delisle or the Collapse of Azerbaijani Myths,” “the actual Armenian toponyms are indicated on the map, such as Kapan, which has recently been “renamed” in Azerbaijani historical literature to “Gafan”, Ordovar (“Ordubad” ), Bjni, Dvin, as well as the Hellenized form of the name of the majestic ancient Armenian capital Artashat - “Artaxata”.

                        The basin of Lake Sevan also attracts our attention. Let us note that there is no trace of “Goychi” on the map, but there is “Las de Sevan” - Lake Sevan. Within Sevan we see a small island with a monastery indicated on it, which is designated as “Monastere Armenien” - Armenian monastery. The common Armenian name for this architectural monument of the Bagratid era is Sevanavank (10th century), the Armenian origin of which is confirmed by the Delisle map.”

                        So we advise Hasanova to abandon the hopeless speculation in the toponymy of the region. In addition, let us recall that Sevanavank, indicated on the map of Delisle and mentioned above, destroys Shelale Hasanova’s delusional idea that, I quote, “until the 15th century there was no Armenian church in the Caucasus.”

                        Hasanova: “We recently digitized and put on the website two archival books by major world-famous Azerbaijani scientists - “Caucasian Albania and Albanians” by Farida Mamedova and “Corpus of Epigraphic Monuments of Azerbaijan” by Mashadi Khanum Neymat.”
                      10. Neutral
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                        12 August 2012 20: 58
                        17th century map "Roma gentium domina" / Phil. Briet; H. le Roy fecit. Kept in the archives of the National Library of France. Full version here.

                        Gasanova's word:

                        “It is well known that, despite the migration expansion of Armenians to the Erivan Khanate that began in 1828, there were more than 2000 Azerbaijani toponyms in Armenia. Their Armenianization began in 1935 and was systematically accelerated before the start of the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict.”

                        The Baku researcher “modestly” keeps silent about the fact that Turkic toponyms on the Armenian Highlands are a consequence of its colonization by ethnic elements who are carriers of Oghuz dialects. We find information about the settlement of these lands by the Turks in the work “Gulistan-Iram” (Baku, “Elm”, 1991) by Bakikhanov: “Teymur settled in Karabagh, Ganj and Iravan 50 thousand families brought by him from Turkey and Syria, mostly descendants those Turks whom Hulagu Khan resettled in Persia and who at times went to Turkey and Syria. The Ayrum tribe, whose name came from El-Rum, was also resettled by him from Turkey. Most of the currently nomadic tribes in the above-mentioned provinces are their descendants.” (...) “From ancient letters it is clear that Shah Ismail resettled the Bayat tribe from Iraq, partly to Erivan, and partly to Derbend and Shabran, in order to strengthen the local rulers.”

                        Along with the settlers, the toponyms that Hasanova talks about also came. But this does not mean that Armenian toponymy has disappeared. Here is a fragment of a map from 1723, compiled by the French geographer, line correspondent of the Royal Academy of Sciences G. Delisle:
                    2. Neutral
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                      12 August 2012 20: 57

                      But that's not all. We present to Hasanova’s attention an excerpt from the work... of the 19th century Azerbaijani historian A. Bakikhanov “Gulistan-Iram”.

                      Abbas-kuli-aga Bakikhanov, “Gulistan-Iram”, XIX century: “Many writers mix up Armenia, Iveria, Colchis and Albania, and this results in uncertainty in the designation of some places. By comparing various circumstances and the testimony of historians, we can assume that the right bank of the Kura River formed the border of Armenia.”

                      Against the background of the above excerpts (including from the work of one Azerbaijani author), one can draw conclusions about the complete inconsistency of Hasanova’s judgments. Meanwhile, she continues to rant and states:

                      “Guided by such moral priorities of the Azerbaijani people as humanism and tolerance, we want to help the sensible, peaceful part of the Armenian people, the Armenian youth, free themselves from the painful misconception about the ethnomyth of “Great Armenia” and the false priorities associated with it, elevated to the rank of a national idea.”

                      If we ignore Hasanova’s “high calm” and speak seriously, the offspring of Oguz nomads fully demonstrated their “moral priorities” in Sumgait, Baku, Getashen, Maraga... during the bombing of Stepanakert, overcrowded with refugees and their own civilian population. Regarding the “ethnomyth”: the term “Great Armenia” was used to name the Armenian state in the period from the 387nd century. BC. to 1953. It is not without reason that on the wall of the ancient Armenian pagan temple of Garni, located, for Hasanova’s information, in the center of the present RA, the following inscription has been preserved: “Helios! Trdat the Great, Great Armenia (Μεγαλη Αρμενια) sovereign, when the ruler built an agarak for the queen (and) this impregnable fortress in the eleventh year of his reign...” (K.V. Trever. Essays on the cultural history of ancient Armenia (II century BC) . - IV century AD). - M. L., 187. - P. XNUMX).

                      We present a European map of the 17th century, on which Greater Armenia, covering the entire interfluve of the Kura and Araks, reaches the Caspian Sea, and Lesser Armenia covers Cilicia and is washed by the Mediterranean Sea in the south.
                      1. Ataturk
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                        12 August 2012 21: 20
                        AGAIN YOU ARMENIAN ARE DECEIVING ALL PEOPLE HERE?

                        again with false cards?

                        Homann's map of Asia (XNUMXth century)

                        As you can see, there is no "Armenia" on the map. The fact is that in the XNUMXth century there was no significant Armenian administrative unit, or, moreover, no Armenian state.




                        A number of scientists believe that the designation “Armenia” on maps of the 18th-19th centuries is nothing more than a consequence of the formation of the “Armenian question” in Europe and Russia. In this way, Europeans and Russians tried to become “defenders” of the Armenian people, but in reality they wanted to use the Armenians as some kind of reason to fight Ottoman Turkey... The events of the First World War, the “Armenian card” played by the Entente countries to dismember Turkey, as well as the fictitious “Armenian genocide” is a clear confirmation of this.

                        A completely different matter is the importance of Azerbaijan and its population during that period, perfectly depicted on the map:

                        Azerbaijan (on the ADIRBEIZAN map) is the central region in the Safavid state;
                        Azerbaijani Turks - also called Kyzyl-Bashs at that time (on the KISILBASSE map), the titular nation of the Safavid state, their language is the state language of the empire.



                        Map of the Caspian lands (early 18th century)

                        Compiled by order of the first emperor of Russia, Peter I, who captured the western Caspian lands from the Safavids in the 20s of the XNUMXth century. If the Armenians had played even the slightest significant role in the region, this would undoubtedly have been reflected on this map, because Peter I intended to use the Armenians in the fight against Turkey. But what is not there is not there. Even Peter’s loyalty to the Armenians did not cause him to distort reality on the map.

                      2. Neutral
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                        12 August 2012 21: 25
                        Listen, kyzyl-bash. Let's goodbye.
                        You will play these cards at dinner.
                2. Neutral
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                  12 August 2012 20: 54
                  On August 4, the page of the Baku web dump “erevangala” published an interview given to the Baku newspaper “Zerkalo” by, I quote, “the director of the Caucasus Center at the Institute of Social and Political Research AZER-GLOBE” Shelala Hasanova. The title for the interview was chosen to be very pretentious: “Armenia was not in the Caucasus – and the whole world should know this.” Sh. Hasanova is one of the founders of the “Yerevangala” project to falsify the history of the South Caucasus. The interview with numerous fabrications amused us greatly, and we could not deny ourselves the pleasure of commenting on it. Here is how a Baku “scientist” comments on the “calling” of the project:

                  “The time has come to break the framework of the stereotypes of Armenian falsifications that have developed since the beginning of the 1920th century. The fundamental concept is that the all-consuming land greed of the Armenian nationalists is a threat to all peoples of the world." (...) “The factual base on the history of the Erivan fortress and Khanate, as well as Caucasian Albania, proves that such a country as Armenia did not exist in the Caucasus until XNUMX, when the Bolsheviks came to power and created the Armenian SSR on the lands of our Oghuz ancestors” .

                  You are mistaken, Shelale: the “framework” of our, as you put it, “falsifications” has been formed since the beginning of the 2st century BC, thanks to the efforts of Strabo, Pliny the Elder, Claudius Ptolemy, Dio Cassius, Meander of Byzantium and other authors of antiquity, for whom The extreme northeastern border of Armenia was the Kura River. They just didn’t know that after more than 1920 thousand years a misunderstanding called the “Azerbaijani Republic” would appear in the South Caucasus. As for the “land greed” of the Armenians (here it is: it turns out that this is the name of a fair struggle for a sacred piece of our Motherland), as well as Armenia that emerged in XNUMX (???) and the amorphous “factual base” of good neighbors from the neighboring Baku Republic , then, I think, a brief educational program with a parallel run through historical sources of the Middle Ages and modern times would not hurt Mrs. Hasanova.
            2. Oleg0705
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              12 August 2012 17: 32
              Quote: Karabekir
              Our territories are occupied and we must and are obliged to liberate them and put the aggressor in his place!!


              Do you think South Ossetia and Abkhazia are occupied by any state?
              1. Karabekir
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                12 August 2012 17: 38
                Quote: Oleg0705
                Do you think South Ossetia and Abkhazia are occupied by any state?

                According to international law, of course!
                1. Oleg0705
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                  12 August 2012 18: 07
                  Quote: Karabekir
                  According to international law, of course!


                  Which state do you think is the occupier in this case?
                  Do South Ossetia and Abkhazia, according to international law, have the right to self-determination?
                  1. Karabekir
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                    12 August 2012 18: 22
                    You yourself know the answer to the first question!
                    According to international law, territorial sovereignty comes first, and then the 2nd point comes with definitions - self-determination of nations, but it cannot be to the detriment of territorial integrity!
                    And here there are some more questions, for example, in the case of Armenia, the Armenian people have already self-determined within the framework of the Republic of Armenia, otherwise in every country where the Armenians have a majority, they will self-determine to create a state??
                    Understand that such issues must be resolved in a civilized manner!
                    Here's an example so you can feel it!
                    Let’s say the population of one of the republics within Russia decides on independence!!
                    Then what about the constitutional right of all other Russians to freedom of movement and freedom to choose their place of residence??
                    That is, the opinion of other citizens must then be taken into account!
                    Roughly speaking, if you don’t want to live in our common home, then please go wherever you want, or citizens of the entire country must approve this, since otherwise their primary civil rights are violated!!
                    1. Oleg0705
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                      12 August 2012 18: 57
                      Quote: Karabekir
                      You yourself know the answer to the first question!


                      I don't know, I really don't know.

                      Quote: Karabekir
                      Roughly speaking, if you don’t want to live in our common house, then please go where you want

                      Does this mean that Abkhazians and Ossetians must leave the lands that have belonged to their ancestors for centuries?
                      1. Karabekir
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                        12 August 2012 19: 02
                        Quote: Oleg0705
                        Does this mean that Abkhazians and Ossetians must leave the lands that have belonged to their ancestors for centuries?

                        The data has already been given here more than once!
                        Read about the state of affairs written by the famous Russian historian Dubrovin in the book History of the War and Russian Dominion in the Caucasus!
                        There he clearly writes where and when, for what reasons, did the Ossetians come to those lands?
                        And in general, then let's redraw the entire map of the world!!
                        Alas, I’m in a hurry and have to leave you, but I think the day after tomorrow, if you want, I’ll write to you!
                      2. Oleg0705
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                        12 August 2012 19: 18
                        Karabekir,
                        Thank you for the dialogue.
                      3. Neutral
                        -1
                        12 August 2012 21: 02
                        As for the preservation of territorial integrity, such a concept is not included in the goals or principles of the UN. The UN Charter (Article 2, paragraph 4) speaks only of the unacceptability of violation of territorial integrity by seizure by an external force: “All Members in their international relations shall refrain from the threat or use of force directed against the territorial integrity or political independence of any or the state..."

                        That is, we are not talking about the exclusive and unconditional preservation of the territorial integrity of the state, but only about the unacceptability of forceful violation by one UN member state of the territorial integrity of another state. This is completely unrelated to the implementation of the principle of self-determination by any seceding society, that is, separation along with its own territory, if, of course, this society wants to implement the principle of self-determination in the form of independence. It must be emphasized that determining the final form of one’s own self-determination is the right of only and only a given society - whether it will be an independent country, membership in a union state, autonomy or complete dissolution within any state[2].

                        Today, most international law scholars accept that self-determination is a legal principle, as opposed to so-called territorial integrity. In accordance with this, it is obvious that the political side of the issue cannot destroy its legal essence[3]. Moreover, the principle of self-determination is part[4] of the fundamental principle of international law - jus cogens, therefore, it is not subject to either bargaining or cassation.

                        The UN General Assembly, by its resolution 637A(VII) (December 16, 1952), declared: “Member countries of the UN must promote [the implementation of] the principle of self-determination of all peoples and nations”[5].

                        It is extremely important that the documents adopted by the UN treat [respect for] the principle of self-determination as part of the obligations arising from the UN Charter[6].
                    2. Neutral
                      -1
                      12 August 2012 21: 01
                      Alibek-ogly
                      It’s immediately obvious that you also studied international law in Azerbaijan)))

                      First, let's look at the provisions of self-determination of peoples and territorial integrity in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations - to identify the legal content contained in these documents, therefore, the degree of their importance according to international law. Consideration in accordance with the UN Charter also becomes relevant due to the fact that the said Charter has supremacy over all other international documents. This concept is enshrined in Article 103 of the UN Charter and, naturally, is accepted by all UN member countries.

                      The very first article of the UN Charter enshrines the goals and principles of this organization. 2, paragraph 1 of the article states: “The goals of the United Nations are: ... to develop friendly relations between nations on the basis of respect for the principle of equality and self-determination of peoples, as well as to take other appropriate measures to strengthen world peace”[1].

                      From the above it is clear that the UN considers the self-determination of peoples (I emphasize: self-determination, and not just the right to self-determination, that is, the implementation of this right) not only as one of the fundamental principles, but also as the basis for the development of friendly relations between nations. Therefore, denying self-determination is a step that is harmful to friendship and undermines universal peace.

                      In addition: The UN Charter (Article 24, paragraph 2) clearly emphasizes that “in the performance of these duties [the maintenance of peace and security] the Security Council shall act in accordance with the purposes and principles of the United Nations.”

                      That is, the Security Council is obliged to combine and implement the preservation of peace and security through self-determination of peoples, for the latter is one of the goals proclaimed by the UN.
                    3. Neutral
                      0
                      12 August 2012 21: 44
                      First, let's look at the provisions of self-determination of peoples and territorial integrity in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations - to identify the legal content contained in these documents, therefore, the degree of their importance according to international law. Consideration in accordance with the UN Charter also becomes relevant due to the fact that the said Charter has supremacy over all other international documents. This concept is enshrined in Article 103 of the UN Charter and, naturally, is accepted by all UN member countries.

                      The very first article of the UN Charter enshrines the goals and principles of this organization. 2, paragraph 1 of the article states: “The goals of the United Nations are: ... to develop friendly relations between nations on the basis of respect for the principle of equality and self-determination of peoples, as well as to take other appropriate measures to strengthen world peace”[1].

                      From the above it is clear that the UN considers the self-determination of peoples (I emphasize: self-determination, and not just the right to self-determination, that is, the implementation of this right) not only as one of the fundamental principles, but also as the basis for the development of friendly relations between nations. Therefore, denying self-determination is a step that is harmful to friendship and undermines universal peace.

                      In addition: The UN Charter (Article 24, paragraph 2) clearly emphasizes that “in the performance of these duties [the maintenance of peace and security] the Security Council shall act in accordance with the purposes and principles of the United Nations.”

                      That is, the Security Council is obliged to combine and implement the preservation of peace and security through self-determination of peoples, for the latter is one of the goals proclaimed by the UN.
                      1. iravanxan
                        -2
                        12 August 2012 22: 10
                        am Well, hello, my “friend,” and for a long time you will be hanging noodles on people here am and David
                      2. Neutral
                        0
                        12 August 2012 22: 23
                        Who are you, weirdo?
                      3. iravanxan
                        -1
                        12 August 2012 23: 06
                        ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooothe voice to be heard I finally came for you amdouble agent am
                      4. Ataturk
                        -2
                        12 August 2012 22: 14
                        Quote: Neutral
                        and territorial integrity in accordance with the UN Charter


                        I'll be honest, without sarcasm.
                        after what Europe is doing in the Karabakh issue
                        after the UN votes
                        After 4 resolutions are not implemented

                        I care about the West and its UN, I don’t care about the Ostankino tower
            3. Neutral
              -1
              12 August 2012 20: 50
              Our territories are occupied by Azerbaijanis, but we do not want war.
              And they didn’t want it in Karabakh.
              We wanted to resolve the issue peacefully.
              The result was brutal cruelty.
              Sumgayit February 1988,
              Baku January 1990
              More than a hundred days of bombing of Stepanakert with BM-21 installations.
              Alibek, tell me, have you seen how civilians are dying because Grad shells are flying into their houses?
              You've been doing this for a long time, too long to forget.
              1. Ataturk
                -1
                12 August 2012 21: 12
                Quote: Neutral
                Our territories are occupied by Azerbaijanis, but we do not want war.


                Yes, everyone fought all their lives. Either you kill Georgians, then Persians on the side of Russia, then by the Turks and then by the Azerbaijanis. We even managed to do it with the Chechens. And now you talk about occupation and how falsely and vilely you say you didn’t want war?

                Quote: Neutral
                The result was brutal cruelty.
                Sumgayit February 1988,
                Baku January 1990

                Just for these words I understand how little we have done.
                Why don’t you say what you did before SUMGAIT? Why are you silent about this?



                and Baku January 1990, look who killed whom. LIAR. BECAUSE OF YOUR LIES, YOU LIVE THIS WAY. GOD IS NOT A FREAKER. SEES EVERYTHING.

                1. Neutral
                  -1
                  12 August 2012 21: 19
                  Lobster. Communicating with you is like knocking on wood.
                  Watch these movies with Alibek and company.
                  What about the events of “Black January”?
                  When will you issue an invoice to Russia?
                  Or will you just quietly make trouble through the North Caucasus together with the Turks?
                  Oh yes, I forgot, you extradited all the Chechens to Russia in the first conflict)))
                  Therefore, Paul Klebnikov talked with Khozh-Akhmed Nukaev, who was wanted by Russia at that time, in Baku, and not somewhere else. And this already happened after 2000.
                  1. iravanxan
                    -3
                    12 August 2012 22: 15
                    salary 2000 drams I will soon post here on the website all your background information Major Arminia special service am
              2. iravanxan
                -1
                12 August 2012 22: 12
                An entire people was expelled from their land and the Kurds are being slaughtered, but how many Russians are left in Armenia can you say, an agent of the special services of Armenia. am
                Have you swallowed your tongue or do you think someone will fall for your cheap and manic noodles? am
                1. Neutral
                  +1
                  12 August 2012 22: 22
                  Indeed, during and after the collapse of the USSR, a large number of national communities arose in large Russian cities. But to understand the difference in the emergence of the Armenian and Muslim diasporas in Russia, it is necessary to turn to the results of the 1979 All-Union Population Census. This is what the distribution of Russians looked like among the republics of the USSR (the proportion of Russians to the total population of the union republic is indicated in brackets):
                  1) RSFSR - 113.521.900 (82,6%)
                  2) Ukrainian SSR - 10.471.600 (21,1%)
                  3) Kazakh SSR - 5.991.200 (40,8%)
                  4) Uzbek SSR - 1.665.700 (10,8%)
                  5) Byelorussian SSR - 1.134.100 (11,9%)
                  6) Kirghiz SSR - 911.700 (25,9%)
                  7) Latvian SSR - 821.500 (32,8%)
                  8) Moldavian SSR - 505.700 (12,8%)
                  9) Azerbaijan SSR - 475.300 (7,9%)
                  10) Estonian SSR - 408.800 (27,9%)
                  11) Tajik SSR -395.100 (10,4%)
                  12) Georgian SSR - 371.600 (7,4%)
                  13) Turkmen SSR - 349.200 (12,6%)
                  14) Lithuanian SSR - 303.500 (8,9%)
                  15) Armenian SSR - 70.300 (2,3%).
                  As we see, of all the union republics, the smallest number of Russians was in Armenia. This is explained by the fact that the Armenian SSR was the only non-Slavic republic in which scientific and technical workers, engineers and specialists working in various research institutes, universities and enterprises, as a rule, were representatives of the titular nation. For Muslims the situation was the opposite. The bad and disgusting side of the USSR was that the economies of the Muslim republics and autonomies of the Soviet Union parasitized on Russian highly qualified personnel. During and after the collapse of the USSR, Russians were expelled by Muslims. In some places this happened “peacefully” - under the slogan: “Suitcase, station, Russia!” In others, it was the result of targeted ethnic cleansing, for example, in Baku in January 1990 or in Chechnya after Dzhokhar Dudayev came to power. Having driven out all the Russians, the Muslims suddenly discovered that their level of intelligence allowed them to build and maintain only such “industrial facilities” as mosques and zindans. Fleeing from hunger, unemployment, devastation and poverty created by their own hands, Muslims poured into Russia, formed numerous diasporas and began their usual business - parasitism at the expense of the Russian people.
        3. gojesi
          +2
          12 August 2012 03: 02
          Quote: Ataturk

          Give me a couple of reasons why I should respect Iran?

          you seem to be sane and adequate... Well, don’t you want to understand that it’s NOT about IRAN!!!!! Look at the map!!! First, Syria collapses so that Israeli planes can bomb without refueling; they have less than a dozen refueling tankers, then, much easier, Iran. AND THEN WHO??? Try to guess three times, as they say :) Therefore, by helping, conditionally, “bad” Iran, Russia, in the person of Putin, is actually delaying aggression AGAINST ITSELF!!! And we still remember what “good” Persians are from Griboyedov, and I hope you do too... Yours sincerely...
          1. Ataturk
            +1
            12 August 2012 04: 56
            Quote: gojesi
            you seem to be sane and adequate... Well, don’t you want to understand that it’s NOT about IRAN!!!!! Look at the map!!! First, Syria collapses so that Israeli planes can bomb without refueling; they have less than a dozen refueling tankers, then, much easier, Iran. AND THEN WHO??? Try to guess three times, as they say :) Therefore, by helping, conditionally, “bad” Iran, Russia, in the person of Putin, is actually delaying aggression AGAINST ITSELF!!! And we still remember what “good” Persians are from Griboyedov, and I hope you do too... Yours sincerely..


            Alexander, good morning.
            I understand all this and know it perfectly! The noose around Russia is narrowing. Everyone has their own interests, as they say.
            1. gojesi
              +1
              12 August 2012 14: 59
              !
              Quote: Ataturk
              I understand all this and know it perfectly! The noose around Russia is narrowing. Everyone has their own interests, as they say.

              Hello Omar!
              That's what we're talking about! I can’t understand your and Armenian hostility, and rejection of each other... Well, we did things 100 years ago, so long ago everything needs to be forgotten again. Why should we put more pressure on the Germans now? But the policy of your rulers is not aimed at finding “points of contact”, but just the opposite, at searching for contradictions... Maybe these are special programs??? To "divide and conquer"??? What should we do with Ukraine, with Sevastopol, which the Ukrainian Khrushchev “gave” to Ukraine??? But Sevastopol is the key to the Black Sea.
              I think that among both you and the Armenians, there should be sober and smart heads who should sit down and agree to make decisions on “non-shedding of blood”, monitor and immediately shoot all provocateurs... Well, IMHO we need to act in some such direction, and the slogan “ “War to a victorious end” is not beneficial for either you or the Armenians... This is how this Jewish trinity matrix-program is built - Islam, Christianity and Judaism holding them together! Coin - Heads, Tails and Edge... We need to break this coin!
              1. Ataturk
                -1
                12 August 2012 15: 24
                Quote: gojesi
                I cannot understand your and Armenian hostility and rejection of each other...


                Watch this video and you will understand



                and here it is



                watch 2 videos and you will understand.

                Quote: gojesi
                Well done business 100 years ago

                you call it done business?

                This was in the 90s. Watch this video and listen and then answer if they did this to your wives, mothers and sisters, you would forgive. And this is not the first time they have done this. Yes, it was 1 years ago that they carried out the first massacre, we forgave and lived together in the USSR, and now for the second time. Answer honestly, watch this video and tell me, would you forgive?

              2. iravanxan
                -1
                12 August 2012 22: 24
                Dear gojesi, what is there to understand? They are screaming that they are being oppressed, but they themselves are always stabbing in the back from the corner, this is how they do it
            2. Neutral
              -1
              12 August 2012 21: 22
              Is it a joke to delete comments with the word A*r*c*a*x? )))
              Yes, the censorship is prohibitive.
              What then to do with the works of respected geographers?
              Do not read? )))
              And tear up all the cards?
              Nonsense ))
              1. Ataturk
                -1
                12 August 2012 21: 33
                Quote: Neutral
                Is it a joke to delete comments with the word A*r*c*a*x? )))


                Just as Andronik did not see his ear, so you will not see Karabakh behind you. NEVER. And its name will remain KA-RA-BAH!
                Remember. And you will leave this world with this dream.
              2. iravanxan
                -2
                12 August 2012 22: 17
                Do you even have any idea what Artsakh is, and David, how many nicknames do you have? The site administration would be interested in getting an answer from you, why are you silent? am
                speechless am
                Nick, you see, you guests insolently came to our lands, and why are you slaughtering the Yezidi Kurds, you say the Kurds are brothers, why did you expel them? You trampled all human rights, you turned Arminia into a monoethnic republic, you expelled the Russian Georgians, the Kurds, the Azerbaijanis, why are you silent, David? am

                lost the power of speech or can’t speak in front of everyone am
          2. Karabekir
            +1
            12 August 2012 07: 20
            Quote: gojesi
            Look at the map!!! First, Syria collapses so that Israeli planes can bomb without refueling; they have less than a dozen refueling tankers; then, much easier, Iran. AND THEN WHO??? Try to guess three times, as they say :) Therefore, by helping, conditionally, “bad” Iran, Russia, in the person of Putin, is actually delaying aggression AGAINST ITSELF!!!

            Could you explain in more detail!
            Moreover, Syria and Iran and aggression against Russia!
            Have you looked at the map yourself??
            Iran or Syria have a land border with Russia!!
            NATO borders Russia in many places, so what??
            with respect
            1. Ataturk
              +1
              12 August 2012 07: 44
              Quote: Karabekir
              Could you explain in more detail!

              He's telling the truth. I'll show you soon. Wait
              1. Karabekir
                -1
                12 August 2012 07: 51
                Omar what's the truth??
                That Russia does not border the United States or NATO countries??
                Will you show me where the land borders of Iran and Russia are??
                1. Ataturk
                  +1
                  12 August 2012 08: 11
                  Quote: Karabekir
                  Omar what's the truth??


                  It may seem strange, but there is only a short note in the annotation about the geopolitical concept itself, known as the “Anaconda Loop”: “The “Anaconda Ring” is usually called a strategy in which the enemy state applies “indirect” hostile and destructive actions to its rival. According to many signs, a similar “anaconda ring” has existed around Russia for a long time, shrinking every year ... "

                  Russia is an obstacle to the so-called “global governance” and a kind of alternative to world projects. It is much more of a model of the world than America.”



                  Russia’s geopolitical vulnerability today is more obvious than ever since the collapse of the USSR; moreover, it is increasing, and this is especially dangerous in the context of the “third repartition of the world,” NATO wars in Europe, Afghanistan, Iraq, the Near and Middle East, and Africa. NATO planes now require 1 minute to reach Kaliningrad, 4 minutes to Minsk, 12–15 minutes to Moscow. Following the Baltic countries and Eastern Europe, Georgia is knocking on NATO’s door, and if the Karabakh problem is not resolved, Azerbaijan will also knock, Ukraine is not moving away from NATO’s door, thus, the NATO bloc seeks to embrace Russia from three sides: the west, north-west and south . Anaconda is an extremely dangerous boa constrictor. He strangles his victim, but turns him into mush before swallowing him. So the strategy is accurately named.

                  Anaconda entangles more and more countries with its rings, giving birth to more and more new offspring. Anaconda's tail beats somewhere in Indonesia and Malaysia, its body lies along the southern "underbelly" of Russia, and its head rests in Washington. This “snake” is a “creative” product of American strategic thought of the late 19th century, when Admiral Alfred Machan put forward the “Anaconda Loop” plan, specifying that the territory of Eurasia, primarily Russia, is the middle of the globe. And he concluded that the world cannot be governed without establishing control over this territory. Hence, the most important thing today is to prevent Anaconda from closing all its rings into one big ring around Russia.

                  1. gojesi
                    0
                    12 August 2012 15: 44
                    Quote: Ataturk

                    Anaconda entangles more and more countries with its rings, giving birth to more and more new offspring.


                    Quote: Ataturk
                    . Hence, the most important thing today is to prevent Anaconda from closing all its rings into one big ring around Russia.

                    The Anaconda strategy, like Islam and Christianity before it, is a pronounced result of the work of occult information technologies carried out through a figurehead, in our case General A Mayhem, before which the great master (of the widely known ones) was Hitler, and for the last three hundred years constantly practiced by the Rothschilds and Rockefellers. Catholics also have occult knowledge, i.e. TRUE Knowledge, which we, common folk, are forbidden to approach!
                    It is also known that in the occult field they are opposed by corresponding forces... But this is not here and not now...
            2. Ataturk
              +1
              12 August 2012 07: 56
              Quote: Karabekir
              Could you explain in more detail!
              Moreover, Syria and Iran and aggression against Russia!
              Have you looked at the map yourself??
              Iran or Syria have a land border with Russia!!


              Countryman. US plans to encircle Russia. Look at the map. Then open a search engine, look in what year what war happened and you will be convinced that they are narrowing the ring around Russia. Syria is an ally of Russia and Iran, this is more than enough to destroy it. Iran has the Caspian Sea and the other part of the Caspian Sea is Russia.

              All US military bases are on the map, now look in what year they fought where and you will be convinced of the correctness of my words.



              In passing, it can be noted that there were also rumors about the withdrawal of “Uzbek” bases to Azerbaijan. But the United States, like Azerbaijan, officially denied them.

              1. Karabekir
                0
                12 August 2012 08: 03
                My dear!!
                Then let's not think like that!!
                And count the countries that support the United States and those that support Russia!
                You will get almost the same picture!
                And Iran is not even a friend of Russia, but simply an enemy of the enemy!
                Iran has always stated that the big Satan is the USA, the little USSR!
                This map doesn’t say anything, or rather it says that it’s time for Russia to pursue a clear foreign policy and revive economically as quickly as possible, then the countries you named will smoothly go over to Russia’s side!
                And with the fall of the regimes in Syria and Iran, the political alignment on the world map will change and that’s all!!
                1. Ataturk
                  +1
                  12 August 2012 08: 16
                  Quote: Karabekir
                  And count the countries that support the United States and those that support Russia!


                  I don't agree with you. Do you mean the CSTO supports Russia? Do not make me laugh. Name at least one country that really supports Russia. I don't know such a country.

                  Quote: Karabekir
                  This card doesn’t say anything, or rather it says

                  To understand the map, you need to know why there are so many bases that the Americans want. Do you agree that they want global control?

                  The plan for this struggle, developed by the strongest Anglo-Saxon minds, was, in general terms, as follows.


                  The main opponent of the Anglo-Saxons on the path to world domination is the Russian people. Its complete remoteness from world trade routes, i.e., the sea, and the harsh climate of the country doom it to poverty and the inability to develop its business energy. As a result, obeying the laws of nature and racial instinct, he irresistibly strives towards the south, attacking with both ends of his long frontal line.

                  On the path of his advance lie China, Persia and Asia Minor, whose populations have already exhausted their creative energy. Meanwhile, these countries need a lot. Just the construction of tens of thousands of miles of railways would have provided a wide field of activity for Russian engineers, would have revived Russian industry and would have given the Russian people abundant means for additional nutrition and for the development of their naturally high physical and spiritual qualities, which in turn would make them an even stronger rival of the Anglo-Saxons.

                  Under such conditions it is necessary:

                  I. Having destroyed the merchant and military fleets of Russia and weakened it to the limits of what is possible, push it away from the Pacific Ocean into the depths of Siberia.

                  II. Proceed to take possession of the entire strip of southern Asia between 30 and 40 degrees northern latitude and from this base gradually push the Russian people north. Since, according to the laws of nature obligatory for all living things, decline and slow dying begin with the cessation of growth, the Russian people, tightly locked in their northern latitudes, will not escape their fate.

                  Fulfilling the first of these tasks requires the cooperation of the main maritime powers and those political organizations that are interested in the disintegration of Russia.

                  Now, as for the second task, the very middle of the above zone, which includes Tibet and Afghanistan, will be occupied from the main British base - India, and in relation to China, on the one hand, and Persia and Turkey, on the other, special measures must be taken measures.
                  1. Karabekir
                    +1
                    12 August 2012 08: 25
                    Quote: Ataturk
                    To understand the map, you need to know why there are so many bases that the Americans want. Do you agree that they want global control?

                    You are absolutely right about this!
                    I agree!
                    Everything else written below is one of the options, do you agree?
                    Now the very first question is how our dialogue began!
                    Is it possible that with the fall of the regimes in Syria and Iran, a war with Russia will begin??
                    Does peace in Russia depend on this??
                    I repeat, in my opinion, the political situation will simply change and nothing more, unless of course Russia stands up for these countries!!
                    Russia urgently needs to strengthen its economy and armed forces and then no damn thing will bite Russia))
                    1. Ataturk
                      +2
                      12 August 2012 08: 35
                      Quote: Karabekir
                      Is it possible that with the fall of the regimes in Syria and Iran, a war with Russia will begin??


                      And to understand this, you need to know the answers to a couple of questions.

                      1. Who is the enemy of the USA?
                      2. Who is the weakest among them? - in theory, he should be in line.
                      3. Who is preventing the United States from becoming a global leader without competition?

                      Quote: Karabekir
                      Russia urgently needs to strengthen its economy and armed forces and then no fucking thing will bite Russia)


                      To do this, it is necessary that Russian patriots sit in power and at the top, who say at the UN, fuck you Syria and Iran. As Khrushchev once threatened. Said and done, he sent helicopters and no Britain even dared to stop the Russian ship. So that they would be horrified by one type of Russian technology, like in the 80s, when the Swedes woke up and saw Russian eyeliner, half the population walked around with diapers. They thought that the war had begun. And now what’s happening, Russia is just talking and there’s nothing behind the words. There’s not much left, we’ll find out everything soon. If Syria and Iran fall, it will be clear whose interests Comrade Putin represents.
                    2. gojesi
                      +1
                      12 August 2012 16: 00
                      Quote: Karabekir
                      Russia urgently needs to strengthen its economy and armed forces and then no damn thing will bite Russia))

                      By defending Syria and Iran now, Russia is gaining time in order to do exactly what you absolutely said above...
                      A question for you, personally... Do you think the Russians, not Russia, not the Country, the Power, but the Russian people, would like the Armenians and Azerbaijanis to start cutting themselves, or maybe it was the Russian people who did everything to prevent it???
                      1. Karabekir
                        -1
                        12 August 2012 16: 09
                        Quote: gojesi
                        A question for you, personally... Do you think the Russians, not Russia, not the Country, the Power, but the Russian people, would like the Armenians and Azerbaijanis to start cutting themselves, or maybe it was the Russian people who did everything to prevent it??

                        I'm sure not!
                        Just like I don’t want anything bad for the Russians!
                        Moreover, I want your problems to be solved quickly!
                        Quote: gojesi
                        By defending Syria and Iran now, Russia is gaining time,

                        Sorry about this, but I don’t agree!
                        But you may be right, but I am convinced that this is not so!
                        It's more like trying to get a good bargain!
                      2. iravanxan
                        -1
                        12 August 2012 22: 25
                        Azerbaijanis are a tolerant people; the most international city in the USSR was BAKU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
                        half of the population of Baku speaks Russian; anyone in doubt can come and see for themselves
                        the fact that Eurovision was held in Baku also says a lot, but what will Yerevan say and David is neutral, I don’t hear anything from you am
                2. Ataturk
                  +1
                  12 August 2012 08: 28
                  Quote: Karabekir
                  You will get almost the same picture!


                  “During the Cold War, NATO's role in Europe was to contain the Russians, welcome the Americans and control the Germans. Today, for practical purposes, Washington insists on extending this role to the entire world under the pretext of fighting terrorism and rogue states.”

                  Russia may be breaking the pro-American ring of former Soviet republics, which threatens to undermine its influence in Eurasia. The United States will do everything in its power to stir up tension in the region, and even provoke military action there. Iran and Karabakh (future projects) For without such support, neither the missile defense shield nor the 270 billion barrels of oil reserves in the Caspian Basin, which Washington has its eye on, will bring it the dividends it seeks.

                  After the Caucasian war of August 2008, many experts came to the conclusion that the quality of the technical equipment of the Russian army had reached a critical level. But the fighting spirit and training... of a Russian soldier are beyond praise...

                  They did the check. So this was a benefit for Americans.

                  In a word, they are testing Russia to see what it is capable of. Do you think Americans are so interested in the freedom and rights of people in Ossetia and Abkhazia? Of course not. They needed to see what the Russian army was capable of. Study its weaknesses and know its advantages.
                  1. Karabekir
                    0
                    12 August 2012 08: 56
                    Dear Omar!
                    My personal opinion is that all these arrangements are in order to distract the people in Russia from the economic situation and corruption within the country!
                    Russia has a sufficiently large amount of nuclear weapons to cool the hot heads of any potential aggressor!!
                    I am of the opinion that the issues of deploying and creating missile defense in Europe are much more important and serious than the struggle for the regimes in Syria and Iran!
                    Quote: Ataturk
                    In a word, they are testing Russia to see what it is capable of. Do you think Americans are so interested in the freedom and rights of people in Ossetia and Abkhazia? Of course not. They needed to see what the Russian army was capable of. Study its weaknesses and know its advantages.

                    The strengths and weaknesses of the Russian army are already known!
                    Using the example of this conflict, it is impossible for the enemy to establish the real strength of the Russian army!
                    But Russia, thanks to the conflict, was able to draw the right conclusions and try and change a lot!
                    1. -3
                      12 August 2012 14: 37
                      You have a good discussion.
                3. gojesi
                  0
                  12 August 2012 15: 53
                  Quote: Karabekir
                  It’s time for Russia to pursue a clear foreign policy and revive economically as quickly as possible, then the countries you named will smoothly switch to Russia’s side!

                  We went through this in the 90s, when we lost the Cold War, trusting the mellifluous NATO and America, through the puppets Gorbachev and Yeltsin. THIS WILL NOT HAPPEN AGAIN!!!
                  Don’t dream about a “comprehensible policy” or about other goodies that were in the USSR now YOU WILL PAY FOR EVERYTHING, if not with us! Ukraine has already started to learn this lesson well... But we are growing and getting stronger. When Russia gets out of its dependence on the dollar and privatizes the Central Bank, then there will be other conversations. By the way, you are also interested in Russia being strong! When the USSR existed, Karabakh did not exist!
                  1. Karabekir
                    0
                    12 August 2012 16: 01
                    Quote: gojesi
                    we went through this in the 90s

                    You misunderstood me!
                    Quote: gojesi
                    When the USSR existed, Karabakh did not exist

                    It was in the USSR that Karabakh happened!
    3. 0
      11 August 2012 10: 56
      They do everything right, at least they have a clearly expressed position, and they don’t give a damn about the decrees of the West, the six O’s are drooling, but as they say: “the dog barks and the caravan moves on...”
      Unlike some other countries, which are sometimes Vasya, sometimes not Vasya, i.e. if it gets “hot” one hundred percent, they’ll turn on the rear!!!
      1. 0
        11 August 2012 10: 58
        meant: Ov's sixes.
    4. 0
      11 August 2012 10: 59
      They do everything right, at least they have a clearly expressed position, and they don’t give a damn about the decrees of the West, the six O’s are drooling, but as they say: “the dog barks and the caravan moves on...”
      Unlike some other countries, which are sometimes Vasya, sometimes not Vasya, i.e. if it gets “hot” one hundred percent, they’ll turn on the rear!!!
    5. +2
      11 August 2012 11: 01
      They are doing everything right, at least they have a clearly expressed position, and they don’t give a damn about the decrees of the West, Amer’s six are drooling, but as they say: “the dog barks and the caravan moves on...”
      Unlike some other countries, which are sometimes Vasya, sometimes not Vasya, i.e. if it gets “hot” one hundred percent, they’ll turn on the rear!!!
    6. gojesi
      +2
      12 August 2012 02: 44
      Quote: Ataturk
      As we can see from the article, Russia returned the money, and now they have decided, like the wronged people, to sue and seek no less than 4 billion. Their numbers are fantastic.

      Probably you, father of the Turks, did not read the article carefully, although I also think that the article is two-faced, but it says in particular that Iran demands compensation of 900 million in penalties, and an additional 3 billion is already a “free reading” of the European court! Europe put this on us, “played along with Iran. In this situation, Putin, I think, should fulfill the Iranian order. The weapons are not offensive (if they are exported, they cannot work against ground targets), which means we are not violating international agreements. Correct Medvedev’s mistakes Putin will have to!
      As for your message regarding the expectation of Armageddon, I completely agree and support you!!! I agree, this is a clinic! Sincerely...
      1. Ataturk
        +1
        12 August 2012 04: 58
        Quote: gojesi
        In this situation, I think Putin should fulfill the Iranian order.


        Alas, I still don’t understand what the Kremlin wants to do. In deeds they show that they are with the West, and in words they are with the East. Don't know. In any case, it will damage Russia’s image if Iran is overwhelmed.
        1. gojesi
          +2
          12 August 2012 15: 11
          Quote: Ataturk

          Alas, I still don’t understand what the Kremlin wants to do. In deeds they show that they are with the West, and in words they are with the East. Don't know.

          Hello Omar!
          I think that the point here is that the world has long been divided between the Rothschilds, Rockefellers and Catholics... Putin gravitates toward the European values ​​of the Rothschilds, but he also takes a closer look at the Rockefellers who settled in China (Water pipeline from Baikal to China) and therefore “uncertainty in game." He manipulates, balances on a tightrope between the Rockefellers, who moved to Australia (they are eyeing it) and the Rothschilds, who work in Europe and have their sights set on Altai and the Urals...
          All your questions involve a huge number of inputs, the information on which is closed, secret, and often simply deadly... All we can do is... this site, chat, fantasize... Sincerely...
    7. +1
      12 August 2012 17: 16
      The enemy of your enemy, your temporary ally. This is politics.
      1. Karabekir
        -1
        12 August 2012 17: 20
        Quote: kush62

        The enemy of your enemy, your temporary ally. This is politics.

        one of the policy directions!
  23. sazhka0
    0
    11 August 2012 10: 13
    Good Author. Writes beautifully and thoughtfully +
  24. 4eGa
    +1
    11 August 2012 10: 16
    sazhka0,
    I completely agree - everything he writes is correct!
  25. -2
    11 August 2012 10: 18
    Ataturk. It seems to me that you have a biased opinion. I’m not minus, but “I’ll leave my penny too.” They're chopping up a bitch... Pussy Riot would be nice...
    1. 0
      11 August 2012 10: 53
      Friend, all this must happen, what is happening now!
      What can we change with our “weak hand”?
      And this site is just a place for “communication”, often empty...
      The only thing is that everyone in their real place can and should do Good Deeds.
      And I myself would smear these Puseks on the asphalt, but... This topic is not so simple. The Orthodox faith is tested in everyone, and in society as a whole. If you are interested, I am waiting for a personal letter, there is reliable information about what has happened and what is happening.
      1. +1
        11 August 2012 11: 07
        Dear starded, there is no Orthodox faith, there is Christian faith. And Orthodoxy is one of the main denominations of Christianity.
        1. Ataturk
          -1
          11 August 2012 14: 11
          Quote: Bone
          Dear starded, there is no Orthodox faith, there is Christian faith. And Orthodoxy is one of the main denominations of Christianity.


          May God forgive me, I don’t really believe in religion.
          In all 3 books it is written that the first man was Adam and the woman was Eve.
          This means that everyone is related to each other at the genetic level. Alas, many people do not understand this when they take up weapons and kill.

          My country was made Muslim with such delights as skinning. This is our poet Nasimi. They cut off the head. And so on.
          Crusades and Inquisition.

          Is this what God wanted? To kill people in his name? No thanks. I’d rather believe in the one who created the first chicken or the first egg, and breathed life into our land, than any priestly charlatan mullahs and so on.

          Sincerely.
          1. Evil Tatar
            +3
            11 August 2012 16: 09
            Quote: Ataturk
            Is this what God wanted? To kill people in his name? No thanks. I'd rather believe in the one who created the first chicken or the first egg,

            What is the basis for your women’s calls regarding the Armenians?
            Do your men think the way their women encourage them to?
            That is, you want to catch them (Armenians) all and flog them with a trouser belt?
            Or is it even simpler - to moralize, force you to apologize for the past and let you go in peace?

            I think not...
            You will cut off their heads with a prayer to Allah!
            And your mullah will bless you with handfuls for the sacred slaughter, as happened before.
            1. Ataturk
              -1
              11 August 2012 16: 24
              Quote: Angry Tatar
              What is the basis for your women’s calls regarding the Armenians?
              Do your men think the way their women encourage them to?

              This means the people are united on the Karabakh issue.

              Quote: Angry Tatar
              That is, you want to catch them (Armenians) all and flog them with a trouser belt?

              Why all the Armenians? Only those who are guilty of the genocide of Azerbaijanis in Khojaly. And now they are all in power in Armenia.

              The commoner is not the answer. Many Armenians told me personally that we don’t need Karabakh, this is Russia’s business. Others say they all lived together and so on. I don’t think that all Armenians are responsible for what is happening.

              But living together with them is an impossible mission.


              Quote: Angry Tatar
              Or is it even simpler - to moralize, force you to apologize for the past and let you go in peace?

              They say that GREAT is not the one who destroys, but the one who forgives. We have already forgiven them for what they did at the beginning of the 20th century. Is there a guarantee that we will forgive and they won’t do this again? Do you provide such a guarantee? I personally don't have them.

              Azerbaijan has been asking the world community to properly consider this problem for 20 years. Everyone says, YES, Karabakh is yours, and these same people are going to Karabakh for the Armenian elections. This is true?

              Let our lands be returned and those who are guilty of killing civilians must be punished. Agree this is fair. And then let them live their lives.

              But for us to have diplomatic relations, to live together either in Azerbaijan or in Armenia, this will no longer happen. Even if they put their hand on the Bible and swear, we won’t believe it.

              Quote: Angry Tatar
              You will cut off their heads with a prayer to Allah!

              Azerbaijanis, unlike Armenians, do not push religion. Please don't be disingenuous. They love to push the Christian factor everywhere. HELP CHRISTIANS and so on.

              Quote: Angry Tatar
              And your mullah will bless you with handfuls for the sacred slaughter, as happened before.

              Ask for calm communication and speak sarcastically. And even Tatars.
              1. Evil Tatar
                +3
                11 August 2012 17: 40
                Quote: Ataturk
                Ask for calm communication and speak sarcastically. And even Tatars.

                Gentle sarcasm on serious topics is the lot of Russians...
                Ask why I think so? It's just our mentality...
                Let Western democrats use the IQ test for themselves and their people.

                Therefore, forgive me, but we hardly have to shout “Allahu Akbar” together...
                But here - God is with us! and a resounding Hurray-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a!!!!!!

                In Khabarovsk in the early 90s, my neighbors on the street were an Armenian family...
                They lived, baked bread, and engaged in some other useful commerce.
                And one day we went to Armenia, to visit home...
                Not everyone returned and not at once, because... The Karabakh conflict began...
                About whom we are talking, he returned two years later... Gray-haired, with constantly watery eyes (does this diagnosis tell you anything?), and almost immediately became a “Jehovah's Witness” - such a sect used to be active throughout the entire Land of the Soviets...
                According to rumors, his Armenians forced him, a teacher by vocation, the father of a large family living on the edge of the earth, to fight for Karabakh...
                What did he endure there, incl. and from your fellow citizens of a young free country, I can only guess...
                Quote: Ataturk
                Why all the Armenians? Only those who are guilty of the genocide of Azerbaijanis in Khojaly. And now they are all in power in Armenia.
                The commoner is not the answer.

                Well, well... Few people say so, and even fewer think so...
                I read the works of eyewitnesses from the scenes of events in the former republics of the USSR...
                Better tell us here honestly, how many Russians ran away from you then?
                How many died?
                No need to quarrel, just tell us not about Karabakh, but about the Russians...
                1. Ataturk
                  -4
                  11 August 2012 18: 32
                  Quote: Angry Tatar
                  Better tell us here honestly, how many Russians ran away from you then?
                  How many died?
                  No need to quarrel, just tell us not about Karabakh, but about the Russians...

                  How many Russians died where? in Baku? at what year?
                  Why should I talk like Russians in Baku, or whether they run away, when I’m sure you have classmates and VKontakte, write in the search any Russian name and Baku and talk and listen and then be ashamed... so that I don’t know the essence, they don’t talk nonsense.
                  1. Evil Tatar
                    +3
                    11 August 2012 18: 53
                    Quote: Ataturk
                    Why should I talk like Russians in Baku, or whether they run away, when I’m sure you have classmates and VKontakte, write in the search any Russian name and Baku and talk and listen and then be ashamed... so that I don’t know the essence, they don’t talk nonsense.

                    Ну-ну... Ловите, выбирайте на вкус - http://yandex.ru/yandsearch?text=%D0%B3%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%BE%D1%86%D0%B8%D0%B4+%D1%
                    80%D1%83%D1%81%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D1%85+%D0%B2+%D0%B1%D0%B0%D0%BA%D1%83&lr=76

                    Yes, it’s clear that Karabakh is more interesting to you...
                    But I, an Evil Russian Tatar, am interested in the question about the Russian genocide, and after the showdown between Armenians and Azerbaijanis, Uzbeks, Tajiks...
                    Otherwise, you’ve gotten used to the fact that your older brother protects your cousins ​​from neighbors, but you’ve forgotten about your relatives...

                    But apos;s we can continue our peaceful, friendly, reasoned dialogue...
                    And I’ll write an article with someone else... Let’s talk from the heart...
                    1. Ataturk
                      -5
                      11 August 2012 19: 25
                      Quote: Angry Tatar
                      But I, an Evil Russian Tatar, am interested in the question about the genocide of Russians in Azerbaijan


                      You can get a slap in the face for words like that in Baku. And if you tell it in front of an employee of the Ministry of National Security, then you will be so imprisoned for this slander that you will never see the world again.

                      Are you telling me that there was a Russian genocide in Baku? Moreover, Wikipedia and especially this page are advertised to me where the admin and author of the article is Armenian and writes brazenly that in January they killed Russians for being Russians. Having made our Russians who DEFENDED their own BAKU people, they, this Armenian, added this with a blatant lie that we killed them. They were killed by Russian troops. JANUARY 19-20. In Baku. Not only Russians but also Azerbaijanis died. And we buried our RUSSIANS in our ALAY OF HONOR OF SHAHIDS. You just took such a sin on your soul.
                      Go on and listen to the Armenians.



                      12 years later, an Armenian woke up and decided to write about the Russian genocide.
                      For such a lie, you have to cut off your hands so that you can’t write lies.

                      And now look

                      This is a photo from the Shahid Alley. Read the name on the left.


                      and here the girl on the left, a Russian, was married to an Azerbaijani, she ran after her husband and he was in the yard... As she ran along the road, they shot at her from an armored personnel carrier.



                      Should I continue? Show the list?

                      I once posted photos of graves here, forgive me, I remember that a remark was made to me, I just can’t explain to this user what’s what. So I had to.



                      List of graves in the alley of martyrs of Russian nationality in Baku.

                      Bessantina, Vera Lvovna
                      Bogdanov, Valery Zakirovich
                      Efimov, Boris Vasilievich
                      Markhevka, Alexander Vitalievich
                      Meerovich, Jan Maksimovich
                      Nikolaenko, Alla Alekseevna
                      Nishchenko, Andrei Alexandrovich
                      Tokarev, Vladimir Ivanovich
                      Kharitonov, Vladimir Alexandrovich

                      Now be ashamed and curse your Armenian neighbor who hung noodles on your ears

                      1. Evil Tatar
                        +2
                        12 August 2012 10: 16
                        Quote: Ataturk
                        Are you telling me that there was a Russian genocide in Baku? Moreover, Wikipedia and especially this page are advertised to me where the admin and author of the article is Armenian and writes brazenly that in January they killed Russians for being Russians.

                        But who can know what convenient page the opponent chose to argue his justifications... Do not mislead the forum participants... They are worthy people and will figure it out themselves if they want.
                        Quote: Ataturk
                        You can get a slap in the face for words like that in Baku. And if you tell it in front of an employee of the Ministry of National Security, then you will be so imprisoned for this slander that you will never see the world again.

                        But the return may also be tormenting... If I have to say such words in Baku, then the MNS employees by that time will no longer be able to fulfill their duties, for all known reasons... And for an insult, especially the death of Russians, sooner or Somebody will have to answer later. God is One!
                        Quote: Ataturk
                        Now be ashamed and curse your Armenian neighbor who hung noodles on your ears

                        Why did he suddenly switch to “YOU”, dear younger “brother” of the Russian?

                        I suggest returning to the normal format. I strongly suggest...
            2. Kamilla
              +1
              12 August 2012 11: 41
              Quote: Angry Tatar
              And your mullah will bless you with handfuls for the sacred slaughter, as happened before.


              do you know much about how it used to be??? and the Tatar? can he tell us how the Tatars cut what, to whom??!! you sit in your Tatarstan and have no understanding of anything... and you don’t understand history!
              1. Evil Tatar
                +2
                12 August 2012 12: 09
                Quote: Kamilla
                do you know much about how it used to be??? and the Tatar? can he tell us how the Tatars cut what, to whom??!! you sit in your Tatarstan and have no understanding of anything... and you don’t understand history!

                Oh)))) Who else is this?
                Probably one of those women your opponent talked about?

                I am very interested to know from you, young lady, what is there, when and to whom the Tatars slaughtered...
                Come on, start telling me, I’ll read it carefully.
                And at the same time, weave into the story about the Tatars and the history of the Great Tamerlane, if of course you know anything...
                1. Kamilla
                  +3
                  12 August 2012 13: 16
                  Mongol-Tatar invasion of the 13th century. was accompanied by terrible devastation of Russian lands, destruction of cities, and mass death of the population. The Russian principalities lay in ruins, entire regions were deserted, the population fled from the Tatar danger into the forests and moved to the safe outskirts. The colossal damage inflicted by the Mongol-Tatars on the productive forces of feudal Rus' began to be repaired only in the next 14th century.

                  Essentially speaking, the question of the destruction of the productive forces of Rus' by the Mongol-Tatars is a question of the economic basis of the historical processes that took place in the Russian principalities in the second half of the 13th century.

                  Soviet historiography gives a correct general assessment of the heavy



                  consequences of the “Tatar pogroms”, a number of issues related to their influence on the development of Russian lands are highlighted. The question of the consequences of the invasion for the Russian city has been well developed by Soviet historians. The terrible blow dealt by the conquerors to the ancient Russian craft is shown in the major study by B. A. Rybakov “The Craft of Ancient Rus'” (1948). The works of M. N. Tikhomirov and A. M. Sakharov examine many issues related to the influence of the Mongol-Tatar conquest on medieval Russian cities. 1. Based on rich archaeological material, Soviet archaeologists have recreated vivid pictures of the heroic defense and destruction of a number of Russian cities under the blows of Batu (Ryazan, Vladimir, Kyiv, Chernigov, Vshchizh, Kolodyazhin and many others).

                  Quote: Evil Tatar
                  Oh)))) Who else is this?


                  my name is Kamila.
                  Personally, I have nothing against the Tatars, on the contrary, they are a related Turkic people to us, I respect them, I am proud of the courage of the people, since repressions were committed against the Tatars in Stalin's times... their forced relocation and so on..... but what committed with the Crimean Tatars, then in general this is genocide!! but, excuse me, there is no need for you to tell a Tatar (unless, of course, he is one, which I doubt) about the atrocities of the Azerbaijanis....okay???? I'm sorry, but you're talking nonsense...no one cuts anyone's head, with the blessing of the mullah!! not because we are so peaceful, no, but simply not so religious.... believe me, this is so. the confrontation with the Armenians over land...historically, this is not a religious confrontation...we are Muslims in good relations with Israel and in strained relations with Iran. that's all.
                  1. -2
                    12 August 2012 14: 03
                    Now there is quite a bit of evidence that, on the contrary, they entered into alliances with the Russians and went to the West, the battles were mainly with Kievan Rus. Even from the historical sources “Ibn Fadlan” one can judge that in the Volga region, much earlier than the so-called Tatar-Mongol invasion, the same peoples lived side by side as now... And on the website Archeology of the Volga region you can easily read that 10000 years ago the local population was not anthropologically homogeneous. This topic is complex, of course. And the history of the Tatars, in particular. In general, one thing is clear: almost the entire continent was inhabited by related tribes that originated within the framework of Proto-Indo-European culture. Interestingly, some Tatars also identify themselves with the Bulgars. And it is known that the Tatar-Mongols conquered the Bulgars. Those. I’m getting at the fact that in modern Tatarstan it is still completely unknown who is a Bulgar or a Tatar, or it could be almost the same thing. I would like to know the opinion of the Tatars themselves. Especially considering the preservation of the faith... The Mongols, it seems, were not Muslims... And this happened under Ibn Fadlan - the adoption of Islam... An interesting moment.
                  2. Evil Tatar
                    +2
                    12 August 2012 14: 33
                    Quote: Kamilla
                    my name is Kamila.

                    Greetings, Camilla!

                    I'll answer later, because... hands are strong and fingers are thick...
                    Several times already, the typed text disappeared...
                    But I have something to answer you for the general interest of forum members...
                    But not today...

                    I want to say one thing - for some reason your arguments are not confirmed by you with authoritative (for you) references?

                    What prevents you from not only writing (speaking), but also referring to...?

                    Work hard...

                    It will be even more interesting... Then...
                    1. -2
                      12 August 2012 14: 52
                      Then it’s better to write in Word first.
                      Taking this opportunity, it is interesting to know what you think about the origin of the Tatars?
      2. -2
        11 August 2012 12: 58
        I have glitches on the site - I can’t write in a personal message... I described the situation above...
        I'm interested, don't mind listening.
        1. -2
          11 August 2012 14: 00
          There is nothing said here that could be downvoted. Those. someone walks around and downvotes everything in a row without reading the comments. It would be nice for the site administration to introduce the possibility of filing a claim against such users - if you don’t justify the negative, then throw them out of the site. Answer who does this, otherwise you are just a vile person. But he writes something wise...
          1. 0
            11 August 2012 18: 54
            Vit, forget about these disadvantages, you never know who has some complexes, I found a problem. Now let's add some positives.
    2. Ataturk
      -3
      11 August 2012 11: 23
      Maybe you can tell me the essence of this process so that I don’t have a biased opinion.
  26. +2
    11 August 2012 10: 21
    Quote: vvvvv
    If people here won’t go beyond words, then what can they hope for?!

    I understand your feelings and agree with you, but I understand your call... Where does this go beyond words?
    1. -3
      11 August 2012 12: 59
      Sorry for not repeating myself, in this topic I described the options a little.
    2. -3
      11 August 2012 16: 23
      I’m not repeating myself out of laziness or harmfulness, but I was off-topic anyway, I wanted to discuss it in a separate topic.
  27. topitop
    -1
    11 August 2012 10: 32
    But maybe the S-300 is simply not as good as is commonly believed?
    and in the event of an attack, if the S-300 cannot show a decent result, then this will be very unpleasant for Russia...
    If I’m not mistaken, you’ve never encountered an S-300 in combat conditions.
    Is this option still quite possible?
  28. 0
    11 August 2012 10: 36
    Hmm, it’s not exactly clear. fool
  29. +10
    11 August 2012 10: 38
    Alexey, is there any reliable information that this was actually announced to Iran? Personally, no matter how hard I looked, I didn’t find anything except the ephemeral source of the Kommersant newspaper in the government. Neither of. statements from the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, or anything else...
    In my opinion, until this statement is officially confirmed, it is premature to speculate on this topic.
    In the comments to another article on this topic, I provided a link to an official interview with the Iranian ambassador to Russia, to whom he said that they do not need a showdown with Russia or money. They need S-300s. And they will withdraw the claim as soon as they agree that the deliveries will take place. And a few days later this news appears.
    If I were dealing with relations between Iran and Russia on the side of those who want to ruin them, I would throw in exactly this information. So that Iran loses its ambitions and does not withdraw the claim.
    Well, in general, is there any official confirmation of this?
    In particular, Iran was urged to withdraw its $4 billion claim. The situation with the lawsuit itself was called “ugly”, and Iran was “ungrateful”. And although the claim seems to be purely commercial, this is precisely the case when there is only one step from ordinary commerce to global politics.
    . Who exactly of the authorized persons said this?
    1. 0
      11 August 2012 10: 44
      They need S-300s. And they will withdraw the claim as soon as they agree that the deliveries will take place. And a few days later this news appears.

      this is exactly what they need, absolutely right, but ours are trying to sit on two chairs, and not quarrel with Iran, and jump in front of the West (it was obvious that there were some exchanges between us and “Obama”)
      in the article, written on some rumors and speculation, a clearly one-sided position is taken.
      put the article in bold minus
      1. +2
        11 August 2012 11: 19
        It was not the Persians who requested 4 limards, but the so-called. an independent Swiss court awarded them. Apparently, to pit us more against them. Which is exactly what is happening. iPhone was wrong when he tried to be holier than the Pope after the imposition of sanctions against Iran. However, the Persians are also a little upset: the advance was returned to them, and trying to achieve our cooperation through litigation, they risk getting nothing. They are now very proud of their military developments. So let them develop their own air defense system.
        1. +1
          11 August 2012 12: 45
          Quote: redthreat
          It was not the Persians who requested 4 limards, but the so-called. an independent Swiss court awarded them. Apparently, to pit us more against them.


          A very smart idea, which also has a right to exist.
          Quote: Aventurinka
          I provided a link to an official interview with the Iranian ambassador to Russia, to whom he said that they do not need a showdown with Russia or money. They need S-300s. And they will withdraw the claim as soon as they agree that the deliveries will take place. And a few days later this news appears.


          Links of one chain. It is quite possible that Iran simply wanted to demand the S-300 through the court, based precisely on the fact that the air defense system is not an offensive weapon at all. And thus the whole idea of ​​suing the missiles can be ruined in the bud. Which, in my opinion, was done. I’m not God knows what kind of lawyer, but I understand that there was a chance to get the missiles through the court. And this was understood both where they did not want the missiles to come to Iran, and ours, who (I suspect) could deliver them based on a court decision.
          For some reason, I believe that Iran has no use for this money, because really, what to do with it, you can’t shoot at planes, and it’s unlikely that anyone else will sell it. And the court clearly decided to play into the hands of the know-it-all.
        2. scientist cat
          0
          11 August 2012 15: 52
          red-threat,

          It was not the Persians who requested 4 limards, but the so-called. an independent Swiss court awarded them. Apparently, to pit us more against them.


          Most likely, the Geneva court was forced to make such a decision under pressure from the governments of the USA, Britain and Switzerland, in this way Russia is offered a deal: agree to the destruction of the Iranian regime, and in return, the need to pay is canceled due to the destruction of the plaintiff.
          1. +2
            12 August 2012 03: 05

            “Most likely, the Geneva court was forced to make such a decision under pressure from the governments of the USA, Britain and Switzerland,”



            IF it is so, then we urgently need to sell the S-300, like “the International Court forced it”, and let the governments of the USA, Britain and Switzerland gnaw on a pin the size of a cow’s leg and deal with their democratic court
            1. Ataturk
              -3
              12 August 2012 05: 04
              Quote: Straus_zloy
              “Most likely, the Geneva court was forced to make such a decision under pressure from the governments of the USA, Britain and Switzerland,”


              IT'S NOT A JOINT, dear.
              Russia, in order to save NATO’s butt, does not sell the S-300 to Iran, thereby Russia played into the hands of the WEST, and the West wants to profit from Russia.

              There's something I won't understand then. Does the West want to kill 2 birds with one stone? I do not know. Disrespect for Russia and lack of gratitude are clearly visible.

              Putin is silent and this speaks of two things.

              1) Putin works for the WEST from start to finish and even allows the West to mock Russia.
              2) Most likely Putin helped Iran, the West is taking revenge.

              Then why did Iran sue Russia? Some don't connect.
              and knowing AT ALL that the loop around Russia will soon close, there is nothing to talk about with NATO at all.

              I'm used to looking at deeds and not words. And judging by the deeds, it is clear that everything is in favor of the West on the part of the Kremlin.
              1. +1
                12 August 2012 05: 57
                I always wonder why our president is not the father of the Turks. Well, he knows everything about Putin. What he thinks, what he could think and what to do. Why did everyone decide that we should be reported on every step in international relations? I understand internal politics, everything should be visible here.
                1. Ataturk
                  0
                  12 August 2012 06: 38
                  Quote: kush62
                  I always wonder why our president is not the father of the Turks. Well, he knows everything about Putin. What he thinks, what he could think and what to do.


                  I don’t know about Putin, but I know very well what Russia owns. All her wealth. Then I see how many billionaires there are in Russia. Then I know which of them worked where and how they got rich. Then I see the territory of Russia. Next, I know what Russia imports and what it exports. Next, I know how much oil and gas reserves Russia has and how much they sell it for, then I know how much money Russia has on average from the sale of weapons, and I know very well where the KREMLIN sends a lot of money for the development of the region. I see Kadyrov’s Lamborghini, when I know that in the Russian wilderness, RUSSIAN PEOPLE live like in the Stone Age. I am silent about those in the north.

                  And then, comparing the numbers, I imagine the scale of the theft.

                  And then I listen to what Russian representatives say at the UN. I see that they vehemently defend Syria and Iran. And then he also made a good point about the topic of 3 helicopters for Syria plus the S-300 for Iran. Russia, one might say, refused to help. The reality is that they say one thing and do another, words are for the East and deeds are for the West.

                  Then I look at people’s pensions and the standard of living of Russian citizens. Drug addiction and other delights. I also know how Russian citizens were supposed to live with such wealth. What about Dubai, the residents of Russia should have lived better than the Dubai residents.

                  No resources? maybe the land is small? no brains? everything is! The people of Russia will not be more stupid than camel drivers? That's what I'm talking about.

                  The scale of corruption is simply terrifying. The theft and outrage at the top is simply stunning, and most importantly, the entire top of the Kremlin, all their actions indicate that they are working for the West for the benefit of the destruction of Russian culture, the Russian Federation, and much more.

                  I repeat again, I’m tired of listening, I’m watching and observing.
                  Although I hope I'm wrong!

      2. +1
        11 August 2012 16: 16
        Stas57, that is, in your opinion, the author of the article should, like Iran (judging by your remark), also try to sit on two chairs - to produce material in which he is “for” the Iranian claim and at the same time “against” the Iranian claim. So what? What does "one-sided position" mean? Any article reflects the author’s attitude to the events described, so if the article is “multi-sided,” then this already raises many questions for the author. Don't you think so? It turns out that your “fat minus” is a one-sided position. smile
    2. +3
      11 August 2012 16: 26
      Julia! Indeed, none of the Russian officials made any claims to Iran regarding the lawsuit (except for an unnamed representative of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs), which personally is not entirely clear to me, because the Geneva Court of Arbitration clearly cannot award the resumption of supplies of the S-300, but for 4 billion. dollars can empty the treasury, where the funds of Russian taxpayers are concentrated. Today, too, experts (A.N. Shumilin, S. Demidenko) have spoken out in the spirit that Russia “most likely” will not respond negatively to Iran’s claim. And this “most likely” again speaks of the strange half-position taken on this issue. We want to remain good everywhere, but in the end we get lawsuits, disregard for resolutions, etc., etc.
  30. -1
    11 August 2012 11: 13
    Medvedev loves to fine corrupt officials and other assholes who have caused damage to the state. I wonder what fine he will impose on himself if Russia has to pay 4 billion?
  31. 0
    11 August 2012 11: 17
    What's the question? If the refusal to supply was in accordance with the law, then prove it in court, and do not use threats. The iPod screwed up, just like with Libya, get what you deserve.
  32. sergskak
    0
    11 August 2012 12: 30
    The ornateness of Eastern diplomacy lies in the fact that the slogan “Chinese and Persians are brothers forever” will remain burning in the hearts of each of the Iranians, but at the same time China will quietly step over its own position, finding at least a million reasons for this.
    Absolutely the same words can be said to Russia. Now there is no need to shout to everyone from their own bell tower, but to sit down at the negotiating table and grind this problem out properly.
  33. upasika1918
    +5
    11 August 2012 12: 33
    What ends up in the media or in the SMRAD (a matter of taste) is just crumbs. The entire array of information, contacts, bargaining, pressure, concessions, lies, intrigues, struggle between factions and clans is always closed to those who do not have access. Leaks are strictly metered (WikiLeaks is questionable). Public diplomacy, public opinion, is a valve for letting off steam. Diplomacy is a closed corporation. An extra word that is not agreed upon with a partner, or the disclosure of behind-the-scenes conversations can put an end to anyone’s career. Examples? A long list of names whose owners are removed from DECISION MAKING. It is DECISION MAKING that is the ultimate goal in the career of any politician or diplomat.
  34. +1
    11 August 2012 13: 25
    Moscow demands that the lawsuit be withdrawn, because it understands that it can really lose it! and what’s funny is that an international court can make a judgment! those Medvedev put Russia in the position of “ZY” both in front of Iran and in front of the World! maybe the lawyer will pay for his actions from his own pocket?? He demands that everyone be responsible!
  35. 0
    11 August 2012 14: 14
    I agree - if we would like to supply complexes for Iran, they would have long ago been deployed and ready on combat duty, it’s just M and P, or vice versa P and M did not receive the go-ahead for delivery, that’s the whole situation.
  36. User777
    +3
    11 August 2012 14: 39
    Stupid Ahmadinejad wassat
  37. aleksej
    +5
    11 August 2012 14: 45
    And in my opinion, Iran is no less a threat to us than the United States, because Iran is a country with extremely aggressive radical movements of Islam.
    1. Ataturk
      -1
      11 August 2012 15: 01
      Quote: aleksej
      And in my opinion, Iran is no less a threat to us than the United States, because Iran is a country with extremely aggressive radical movements of Islam.


      As long as there is benefit, Russia is friends, but there is no benefit
      JUDGMENT in relation to Russia is before you.

      I didn’t give a damn about such an ally, who, instead of dealing with me personally, is looking for a third person to condemn the so-called allies, and even more than 3 times more than they ask for what they gave.

      Is this an ally? Do you want to save them? For God's sake.

      But there is one more thing. Do you know the favorite phrase of the Persians? I will say. They spread this word throughout all territories. This word is called INCORRECT and now considering that we, Azerbaijanis, are a secular people, they call us lost and servants of Satan, because we don’t hide behind ourselves, we sell vodka in stores, we organize concerts....I think there’s no need to say further, everything is clear to everyone!
      1. -3
        11 August 2012 15: 15
        Yes, I haven’t heard much about Azerbaijani terrorists.
        But, at this moment, a greater threat comes from the West.
        And Türkiye is an ally of the West here. It turns out that Azerbaijan, as an ally of Turkey, needs to support the West in everything so that it supports what you need... That is. at the cost of other people's sacrifices, including solving their own problems. So it turns out or am I wrong, correct me?!
        1. Karabekir
          0
          12 August 2012 07: 28
          Quote: vvvvv

          Yes, I haven’t heard much about Azerbaijani terrorists.
          But, at this moment, a greater threat comes from the West.
          And Türkiye is an ally of the West here. It turns out that Azerbaijan, as an ally of Turkey, needs to support the West in everything so that it supports what you need... That is. at the cost of other people's sacrifices, including solving their own problems. So it turns out or am I wrong, correct me?!

          I didn’t understand something about terrorists, what did you mean??
          You are more than wrong!!
          We know very well the face of both Western and Russian politics and we have no illusions on this score!
          We support what meets our national interests!
          Russia has chosen a *friend* for itself, we are forced to do what we are doing!
          Turkey is our brotherly country, but this does not mean that we do everything like Turkey!
          There are hundreds of examples of this!!
          Moreover, Türkiye often depends more on us!
          What do you mean by other people's victims??
          We will liberate our land ourselves!
          Has Russia made little use and is using other people’s victims for its own purposes??
  38. LAO
    LAO
    0
    11 August 2012 15: 17
    The Ayatollah is preparing for the last war for Islam throughout the world, and here some stupid infidels are not giving missiles. Let him fight off enemy missiles and planes with prayers. Islam all over the world is very serious!
  39. Brother Sarych
    +1
    11 August 2012 15: 30
    The great smart guys from the Russian government have completely screwed themselves!
    The Russian Federation had every right to supply the complexes, but the woman came in large numbers... well, in general, certain comrades pressed on the sore spots - the contract was lost...
    The Iranians were offended and filed a lawsuit, and asked, as far as we know, only 900 million, but would prefer supplies, the fairest Western court billed Russia for 4 billion, and the difference should go into the Western pocket - Russia was raped twice, plus Russia also lost the face of a reliable supplier! Doesn't any of those who set up "this country" need to tear something into pieces?
  40. pribolt
    +4
    11 August 2012 15: 36
    In general, I’m surprised by the people who organize discussions here about Pusy Wright, how much I try to avoid this topic, and even here it comes out in Russia that everyone has gone crazy because the more we talk about this garbage dump we ourselves advertise for them, LEAVE THIS FOR COURT

    Damn, even I was dragged into this... but they dragged me into it am
  41. +4
    11 August 2012 15: 53
    Briefly speaking. There was no ban on the supply of S-300. Russia decided to “please” the West and refused to fulfill its treaty obligations. Tehran’s claims are legally justified. The amount is inflated. There is an inconsistent position of Russia on the issue of sanctions against Iran and a gross violation of treaty obligations. Then hysterical, unworthy of a great country, intimidation of Tehran.
  42. +2
    11 August 2012 16: 22
    I refrain from direct comments. I am biased towards the Persians; I still won’t forgive them for Griboyedov.
    1. +1
      11 August 2012 17: 37
      If we judge the Persians according to Grioedov, then these are small-scale sixes, in the service of the British, and today in the United States.
  43. 0
    11 August 2012 16: 40
    Dear www, you don’t need to rely on what you don’t know, all modern history was written in the 18th century, when there were no scientific methods, dates and even countries were taken almost from the ceiling, all the history we know is pro-Western propaganda, a lie, so stop referring to ancient Persia or Macedon.
  44. Evil Tatar
    +8
    11 August 2012 16: 42
    I gave the article a minus - bold and here's why...

    I have already said much before that there are signs of a multi-step political game... As far as we can already say that Medvedev, without Putin and their advisors and comrades-in-arms, would not have done anything that can only be blamed on him alone (Medvedev).. .
    I just don’t believe in general stupidity, I don’t believe that’s all.

    Another question is that on the part of the “enemy” (USB), there may also be, but what can there be - there are political combination games that cannot but influence the plans of Russia and its allies... There are failures (jambs) in the execution of tasks and Now the situation is as we are discussing it... But at the same time we see only the tip of the “iceberg”, and even then in the fog of stuffing and analytical rants...
    You can consider yourself a s.r.a.n.s.t. for all your life, if you believe your roommate, who in the morning told you in front of everyone that at night, after courage, in a fit of flatulence, you took off your pants, grabbed the chandelier, rested your feet on the ceiling and began to shit on yourself for an incredibly long time and with such enthusiasm that no one could stop you...
    The only thing that surprises you is that the shit has the smell not of the Russian spirit, but with the aroma of hot pepper, which you don’t eat, and your roommate is (for example) Georgian, and yesterday, just like you, he got drunk to death in the same company ...

    The article builds the logic of seeing both the obverse and the reverse in the same plane, but the coin has not yet been turned over... But it is worth recognizing that the dentist, when performing sanitation, cannot find out that you have an acute attack of hemorrhoids.

    And one more thing... It’s true, and rightly so, to stand as Russia has always done - for the weak, but at the same time it’s great to remember that Central Asia was famous for stabbing a friend in the back. What could have changed?
    Question... Do THEY understand and have they ever understood in the same way as we do, the concept of the word FRIEND?
    The Russian word Friend sounds like a sledgehammer blow...
    But the word friend...somehow, somehow, like: - “come on, friend, turn on your side, I’ll give you a sphinker massage while you’re drunk...”

    Well, what about the concepts of the Arabs and Iranians, etc. - I don’t know, but I know for sure that they respected the poor sheep very much not only to eat, but also....., and they probably still respect them to roam now.
    What else is worth talking about?
    They say it’s stupid to argue about tastes...
    But you need to choose your friends carefully. Because - “tell me who your friend is, and I’ll tell you who you are...” (c)
  45. +1
    11 August 2012 16: 47
    Arabs are arrogant and shameless like gypsies, they need to be put in their place more harshly...
    1. Brother Sarych
      0
      12 August 2012 15: 51
      Is it okay that Iranians are not Arabs and don’t like them very much to boot?
  46. Shulz-1955
    -1
    11 August 2012 17: 06
    Is the Iranian nuclear program beneficial to Russia? If they create nuclear weapons and want to use them in this region, the consequences will be terrible (radiation, refugees)
    1. Shulz-1955
      0
      12 August 2012 01: 01
      Justify why there is a minus. You're not afraid of anything, like the Iranians.
      1. gojesi
        0
        12 August 2012 03: 35
        Quote: Shulz-1955
        Justify why the minus

        don’t look at ratings, be yourself, defend your vision, learn from anyone if you can. Are you offended by the minus? Keep it up :)
      2. -3
        12 August 2012 03: 52
        It bothers me that there are poops running amok here anonymously, you can ban them or whatever you want, and they upset people with their minuses. A person writes correctly in meaning, and he minus without even reading. I just now wanted to leave the site. They slapped me with a bunch of bans and gave me a minus of 2000-3000, although I objectively agree with only part of all this. Stopped by gojesi's comment below...
        So far I have given pros to everyone who I saw had disadvantages that were unfair in meaning.
        If only the rating were more complex - semantic, rating for flooding, etc. And then I grabbed the minuses for flooding. But there is a ban for this and I already received it. It's not fair when people are punished twice for the same thing. And on my website I will set limits, after which the Administrator will be notified about a large-scale vote and mustard plasters will be issued to those who are engaged in repression, and do not set ratings according to the meaning.
        In general, all this science will be useful to me... I will complicate the rating system by an order of magnitude.
        Note to the Site Administration: is it really difficult to add “what exactly is the rating for”?! For example, expert - 1500, flood - 500, etc. So. I have already implemented a rating for the material itself and, separately, a user rating. Multiplying the rating would only be for the expert. This will make the system more objective. You can also think about limits. So, under some conditions, it is obligatory to comment on a negative review.
    2. +1
      12 August 2012 23: 28
      Iran has refused to create nuclear weapons, and they are developing technology, but nothing more.
      Why not look at Israel?
      Israel, having nuclear weapons, directly blackmails countries.
      Don't you notice this?
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8oGadlKEx4&feature=related
  47. yacht
    +7
    11 August 2012 17: 27
    The author of the article is clearly distorting. The sanctions did not apply to the S-300 since it is a defensive weapon. The refusal of the contract was Medvedev’s personal initiative in his desire to please the West. There is no need to consider the judges idiots; if there had been a UN ban, the court would have made a different decision not in favor of Iran.
    Those who claim that the S-300 can strike at ground targets are right in one thing, yes it can, but not in the export version.
    Russia, in defending Iran, protects first of all its own interests in the Caucasus, the Caspian Sea and Central Asia, and does not do it out of love for Iran.
    So, scaring Iran with Russia’s abandonment of its own interests is like scaring a hedgehog with your bare bottom.
    .
    1. gojesi
      0
      12 August 2012 03: 37
      Quote: yacht
      The author of the article is clearly distorting.

      I think that you have an absolutely correct vision of the problem, plus!
  48. Bob
    +3
    11 August 2012 17: 59
    "...Russia can really leave Iran without its support....!
    Without Russian support, both Syria and ultimately Iran will fall. And if this happens, then the Russian Federation will lose the favor of its Central Asian neighbors, over which Fashington will establish control, and not just problems will arise for Russia in Transcaucasia, but a catastrophe in terms of terror and refugees. And this wave will easily cross the borders of the Russian Federation and overwhelm Russia itself, violating its territorial integrity and security. If nuclear weapons are used in Iran and nuclear facilities are bombed, the toxic cloud could cause a regional environmental disaster - and what is most dangerous in the breadbasket of Russia - the Krasnodar Territory, the largest region of Russia in terms of population. After the fall of Iran, missile defense systems will probably appear in the Caspian Sea, and this will mean a closed noose for strategic nuclear forces already deployed along the entire perimeter of the Northern, Western and now Southern regions of the country.
    If we take into account even a small part of the above reasoning, Russia is in no way interested in the destruction and destabilization of Iran as a state. And the decision to punish Iran can only be made by irresponsible politicians who accept their position as treasonous in relation to the national interests of the country.
  49. +4
    11 August 2012 19: 05
    There is such a car, Pezhik 206, assembled in Iran... we have a queue for it... unlike the French ones... As for relations between Iran and Azerbaijan... From history, this is all Persia... so it’s probably incorrect to talk about territorial claims ... and the last thing here began to remind me of our bazaar...
  50. mechanic11
    -2
    11 August 2012 19: 41
    person X wants to buy a car from person Y. Leaves a deposit - $400. As confirmation of the transaction. If X does not buy, the deposit remains with the seller. Here the opposite situation - we agreed on delivery, but there is no delivery - the deposit was returned. The buyer could consider others offers during this time are not solid. Why take a deposit?
    1. +3
      12 August 2012 09: 30
      What kind of commercial nonsense is this? What the fuck are the other suggestions? What, S-300 level air defense systems are sold on every corner? Or maybe it was necessary to consider the proposals of those very Western countries, under whose pressure the S-300 was not delivered to Iran? Such liberal double-entry bookkeeping: “The S-300 is like supporting the ayatollahs in defiance of the international community, and selling some patriot or crotal to the same Iran is quite kosher,” right? Do you still need to talk about solidity? On the one hand, Western common people are begging Putin not to give Iran the S-300, and on the other hand, their shitty court is rendering a verdict against Russia. Of course, I understand that in Poland it’s customary to have one ass on two seats, but you need to see the shores in order to you can't grab it from your face am


  51. MI-AS-72
    0
    11 August 2012 19: 53
    Actually, even the boys on the streets don’t act like that.
    You need to answer for the scam. During this time that passed at the S-300
    The warranty periods (which we define) in the contract would have expired long ago. And with our after-sales service system, this S-300 has long been used as scrap metal. And so, I feel funny for our politicians.
  52. Scott
    0
    11 August 2012 20: 35
    Yeah, it’s true that Russia is stopping them from attacking... Now we’ll deal with Syria, then it’ll be Iran’s turn.
  53. mechanic11
    -5
    11 August 2012 21: 01
    The Russians support all these black... Iranians and Syrians only because the Americans are pinching them. An example is anti-Georgian hysteria. In fact, the Iranians and Syrians are not needed by the Russians. They just don’t want to talk about it. An example is the murder of football fan Sviridov( I may have the last name wrong) After the unrest in Moscow. Are the Syrians really closer to the Dagestanis?
    1. 16
      16
      +1
      11 August 2012 22: 24
      black is different from black!!!!!!!!!!!!
  54. 16
    16
    0
    11 August 2012 22: 36
    Syria is essentially right!!! the so-called sanctions were introduced after the contract was signed with us!!!!!!!!!!! following the letter of the law, the contract had to be fulfilled!!!!!!!! Medvedev is still rather weak for the leader of a large country!!!!!!but I remember before------------they never asked anyone----------if the interests of the homeland are violated ----------answered!!!!!!!!!today I'm a realtor--showed a house to a Russian Uzbek or an Uzbek Russian--------he disliked the USSR------- --the USSR is rotten from the inside----------I'm in response--------democracy on the outside---------we pass villages, villages--devastation everywhere, mess---------there are dilapidated farms, workshops, etc. - all made of concrete, houses------main (built in the union)---------today (with democracy) there is nothing like that!!!!!!!!!unless they break it, sell it, sleep on it...!!!!!!!!!!he fell silent and listened the rest of the way!!!!!!!!! !!
  55. mechanic11
    +2
    11 August 2012 22: 47
    My friend looked at the work of this resource where I sometimes sit during breaks - the diagnosis site of political officers and political instructors. The scoop collapsed - but the political leaders remained. They are not convinced by objective data - when I wrote about shipyards - everything is fine. Mistrals - good, When Russian satellites fell - there’s nothing to say - the Americans landed an apparatus on Mars - there’s nothing to cover it with. Syria needs to be supported, so support it. There was a supply agreement - supply it. They were scared of Uncle Sam, so you have to say it. The Americans, if they want, do it." Russia is the weakest link in chain of imperialist countries." - Lenin. In 1914, the 1st imperialist began (as they said under the Bolsheviks) - and we are on the threshold of the 2nd imperialist. Let today's Russians not attribute the victory of Bolshevik Russia to themselves - today's Russia is imperialist, oligarchic and not attractive to others. How does Abramovich differ from Akhmetov? Registration. The main contradictions in the world are between rich and poor. The world will again be divided (oil, gas, water, products)
  56. Barrel
    0
    11 August 2012 23: 49
    If Iran does not withdraw its claim from the Geneva court, then Russia may indeed leave Iran without its support,
    but with $4 billion, which, firstly, is very difficult for Russia, and for Iran, money during the Cold War for the maintenance of the army.
  57. ded
    +1
    11 August 2012 23: 50
    At the same time, Russia managed to receive an advance from Iran in the amount of $167 million


    Russia supplies weapons to everyone and on credit (for example, Venezuela, Belarus), but here (Iran) is ready to pay, and moreover, it made an advance payment, and Russia showed it the fig! What's this? Ordinary nonsense (you can’t understand Russia with your mind...), slowness, or something else?
  58. Igor77
    +1
    12 August 2012 00: 08
    “It is enough for good people to remain idle for evil to triumph.” This can describe the situation in Russia. I just can’t figure out how to reach the good people, they’ve been labeled as “suckers.” :(
  59. Robin_3ON
    0
    12 August 2012 00: 32
    Our missile systems will not help Iran.
    1. gojesi
      -1
      12 August 2012 03: 40
      Quote: Robin_3ON
      missile systems will not help

      just two S-300 divisions will simply knock down 600 targets in one salvo and that’s it... And then they will reload and... guess for yourself...
      ... "won't help..."
      1. Airdefence
        +4
        12 August 2012 12: 52
        The S-300 division includes 12 launchers with 4 missiles each. Total 48. At the same time, up to 6 different targets can be fired at by 12 missiles (2 for each). This is for your general development, so that you don’t write nonsense about 600 goals in one gulp.
        1. gojesi
          0
          12 August 2012 16: 14
          Quote: AirDefence
          The S-300 division includes 12 launchers with 4 missiles each. Total 48

          2. Speaking about the imaginary greatness of Turkey and its readiness to help Azerbaijan in the war, as well as Azerbaijan’s ability to return Karabakh by military means, the Turkish nationalist politician clearly lives in a world of illusions. Let us remind him that two divisions of the S-300 air defense system stationed on the territory of Armenia are capable of hitting 600 targets in one salvo, that is, half of the Turkish aviation created by the enormous efforts of the Turkish state over the course of decades. This is already enough to neutralize any military assistance to Azerbaijan from Turkey or anyone else. As for ground weapons, here too the friends of Azerbaijan have nowhere to turn. That is, the military way to solve the problem is a disaster for Azerbaijan (in the sense of the loss of new territories).

          link to the article - http://perevodika.ru/articles/21767.html

          I note that I am quite developed and do NOT need your recommendations at all. Am I making it clear?
          1. Karabekir
            +2
            12 August 2012 16: 23
            I would argue with you))))))))))
            I think there are quite a few weapons that can withstand the S-300!
            Moreover, we have three divisions!
            Actually, I believe that we have enough of our own forces for successful military operations at the moment!
            Well, when Russia and Turkey join, God forbid, there will probably be a nuclear cloud!
          2. Airdefence
            0
            12 August 2012 18: 18
            gojesi I will note that I am quite developed and do NOT need your recommendations at all,
            Don’t flatter yourself, otherwise you would have thought to look at least here: http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A1-300, and not copy-paste all this nonsense.
            By the way. A sufficiently developed and sufficiently educated person would write “Yours”, not “yours”.
            1. Karabekir
              0
              12 August 2012 18: 30
              Alexander!
              Quite reasonable!!
  60. +3
    12 August 2012 00: 36
    In such a situation, Iran needs to cling to Russia like a child to its mother. As stated in the article, China does not have the influence to stop the “peacekeeping-democratic” mission, but Russia can arrange it. Take, for example, “Undemocratic and bloody” Belarus, which no one dares to touch under the wing of Russia. Do the Iranian authorities really not understand such simple things?
  61. ad3wsafdf
    -6
    12 August 2012 00: 42
    The authorities of our country have done a lot, but this is already too much.
    I generally accidentally found him http://xurl.es/poisksng
    Here is information about each of us, for example: relatives, friends, correspondence from social networks.
    And most importantly, it is accessible to everyone, I was really scared at first - you never know what moron there will climb
    Well, the truth is that you can delete all
    1. Shulz-1955
      +1
      12 August 2012 01: 06
      Go to hell with your paid services, sheep
      1. -3
        12 August 2012 04: 13
        I think it’s not a matter of payment, but of extracting personal data. And it’s not at all a fact that this is not being done from abroad...
  62. -5
    12 August 2012 00: 54
    A 4 billion bolt was found for a tricky Russian hole! It was their own fault; there was no point in signing up for the sanctions of their sworn friends.
  63. Shulz-1955
    0
    12 August 2012 01: 09
    We will help Iran as much as we can, but not to our own detriment. But he never was and never will be a friend, this is just our interest
  64. +1
    12 August 2012 03: 24
    Quote: vvvvv

    No, it will be a dead end. Although I plan to launch my own website, this will not change anything. If people here won’t go beyond words, then what can they hope for?!

    Everything is still at the level of ideas, but not bad ideas. I'm talking about actions. And you should definitely launch a website if you know how. Regarding crazy p..z, I support you one hundred percent. The point here is whether people have any remnants of morality or not. If someone had done a funeral service at the grave of the mother of one of these pups, then this pup would also now be demanding the most severe measures.
    1. -4
      12 August 2012 04: 22
      They shouldn't have quoted... request Here they actively prescribe mustard plasters for this... Plus another flood... crying You have a couple of bans here at once... I already received 2 in this topic for this very reason...
      At home I will be more loyal. Oh, an idea! Like on some sites, I will move such messages to a separate topic! Those. open a topic without an article in a special section. By the way, again Note to the Administrator, based on the “flood” rating (let’s say, 3 points within a topic), you can automate the transfer of messages and automatically create a topic, for example, transfer to the forum. So I have already done for something. Those. the concept of flooding will disappear as such and problems and conversations will not be created!!!
      1. +3
        12 August 2012 06: 09
        Guy, are you sick of ratings? In life you need to be a useful and successful person. If someone downvotes it, it means they didn’t like your idea. You can't please everyone.
        1. -4
          12 August 2012 10: 24
          Actually, here I wrote about bans and how flooding can be prevented by moving messages to the forum. You have problems with both perception and politeness. It doesn't take much to be rude and poke your mind.
          It’s not at all clear about the usefulness and luck of pearls. And, probably, you consider yourself like that, everything is clear... I write that the site gives an error and therefore I cannot add articles or personal messages, and they downvote me. What's not to like about this?!
          1. +1
            12 August 2012 15: 13
            If I offended you, I apologize. It just feels like some people are playing ranked games. I meant that you don’t have to worry about the extra minus. The Internet is the Internet, and life is what it is in reality.
            1. -2
              12 August 2012 15: 39
              I wrote why http://topwar.ru/17601-ushat-holodnoy-vody-dlya-irana.html#comment-id-516631
  65. T72B
    0
    12 August 2012 10: 17
    This is more like a tub of cold water for all of us. Apparently striped trolls do not sleep either in Moscow or Tehran. They do their dirty deeds for the benefit of the global junta And then we just bat our eyes: “Why are they making such stupid moves?” So they are stupid only from the point of view of a patriot, but from the point of view of the eye in the triangle, they are not at all stupid.
  66. +1
    12 August 2012 10: 47
    1, Friends are:
    your friend;
    friend of your friend;
    enemy of your enemy.
    2. I completely agree about the "Anaconda Plan".
    3. After the war with Iran, thousands of refugees will pour into the Russian Federation through the Caucasus and Central Asia... is this necessary?
    And the lawsuit was started by the guys from the “5th Column” - they are playing into the paw of the Yankees,
    PS
    It is NECESSARY to help the LEGITIMATE GOVERNMENT of the country (not the Syrian, Libyan and other rebels)!
    1. 0
      12 August 2012 17: 50
      I think the enemy of your enemy is not a friend, but an ally (possibly temporary)
  67. 0
    12 August 2012 12: 36
    you are a respected, probably Orthodox Christian, since you were so offended for our shrines, then why
    Quote: vvvvv
    if the authorities don’t give the “pussies” a real sentence
    ? where is the love for one's neighbor? Where
    ...love your enemies,
    bless those who curse
    you, do good to those who hate
    you and pray for those who offend you
    and those who persecute you.(Matt.5:44)
    1. -3
      12 August 2012 14: 54
      Everything is good in moderation. If the enemy takes specific hostile actions against you, then you need to respond specifically, and not “relax, trying to have fun”...
  68. +2
    12 August 2012 17: 07
    The supply of S-300 to Iran is not subject to sanctions. This is the personal ass-licking of the Western ass with an iPod and nothing more. There is liability for non-delivery and non-fulfillment of the signed contract. So if Russia is awarded a fine, it must be paid from Medvedev’s personal pocket and nothing else. Sincerely.
  69. 0
    12 August 2012 19: 25
    The author is dramatizing.
    Initially, the refusal to supply the complex was most likely a diplomatic maneuver. There is no need to worry, the deliveries will be completed.
  70. 0
    12 August 2012 20: 53
    Moderator, you are acting badly and dishonestly! By removing my comment, you are thereby introducing censorship, and political one at that. That is, you can insult whatever you want about some, and that’s all, but nothing about others—untouchables! NOT FAIR ! UNSMART!
  71. escobar
    +1
    12 August 2012 22: 03
    Interesting article on the topic:
    http://eg.ru/daily/politics/29909/
    1. +1
      12 August 2012 23: 36
      Data on the Iranian Armed Forces are incorrect.
      Iran's air defense has a much larger number of air defense systems.
  72. iravanxan
    -4
    12 August 2012 22: 29
    don’t be silent, David, or you’re already having an attack, I didn’t expect such agility from me, my goal here on the site is to expose you and show who you are am
    Are you afraid to enter into controversy? Is it neutral or are you just such a “hero” from around the corner? am

    Tomorrow I will continue the monologue and you are not as brave as I see am and neutral until tomorrow am am am
    1. Neutral
      +1
      12 August 2012 22: 38
      "Vasya", what are you talking about?
      Where does your polemic begin? )))
      1. iravanxan
        -5
        12 August 2012 22: 59
        hello double agent Davidyan Suren Ashotovich aka Markaryan Khachatur Araratovich aka Simonyan Karapet Galstyanovich Major of the Army Special Services and ..................... ...... am

        if you are Arminian, admit it honestly, neutral is from whom you are neutral, and you are hiding behind the back of a Russian peasant and a Soldier, and you really have a lot of guts am

        tell here on the site how you are working against Russia, oh yes, I forgot, the guys don’t know you have problems with money and out of necessity you work for the amers, so how will you cover am
        1. +4
          12 August 2012 23: 21
          Azerbaijanis and Armenians.

          You have already lured in with your Karbakh-historical showdowns in almost every topic where you appear. am On a good note, for half of your posts the moderators should give you a hard time, as for violating the rules, point “b” - inciting national hatred. am Write a corresponding article about Karabakh or great Armenia or great Azerbaijan and get busy there. Anyone interested will come and read it
          1. iravanxan
            -1
            12 August 2012 23: 51
            Straus_zloy good night I agree drinks man's word, but should the neutral double agent agree?
        2. Oleg0705
          0
          12 August 2012 23: 26
          Do you sacrifice pawn A..... ogly Efendi?
      2. iravanxan
        -2
        13 August 2012 00: 11
        Keep in mind that 24 hours a day, every day, you will be under my control.
        1. Oleg0705
          -1
          13 August 2012 00: 13
          iravanxan,

          laughing

          1. iravanxan
            -2
            13 August 2012 00: 24
            Oleg0705
            MUTUALLY laughing
            1. iravanxan
              -3
              13 August 2012 00: 55
              Yes, I almost forgot to post this list, I’m posting that it was easier for you to work in terms of lawyering, otherwise remembering all the clients every time is a tiring job, you know, but here the list is at hand. No need to thank me, this is a prize from me laughing

              9181026338 ARARATOVICH
              Neutral
              Zavet Nikolay
              Arsenara
              Sergeybala armenia
              KARABAKH
              Levonarmenia
              v.armen_70 Armen Vardanyan
              ABogdasarov Arthur Armavir
              Arutun
              Dok-stavros
              Artyr76
              Garik1971
              there are so many of them and you are alone
  73. mechanic11
    +1
    12 August 2012 23: 10
    I'm fed up with visitors distracting themselves and others from the topic of S-300 deliveries to Iran. I've read a lot about Russia and history... There's no need to get distracted. It's necessary on the topic. The political officers convinced me - not to supply Iran with anything, not to pay money for the lawsuit, let them figure it out themselves. Israel will thank Russia for this. After all, Russia “cannot violate international law” - that’s what the article says. Well done! And then we need to continue according to international law, further.
  74. 0
    12 August 2012 23: 24
    How does Russia support Iran in its nuclear program? For example, America, President Obama signed a new package of sanctions against Iran. And most countries will comply with these sanctions. What about Russia? tub of cold water for Iran.
  75. yak69
    0
    13 August 2012 00: 29
    It seems to me that the enemy is not asleep and has found a pain point, judging by the number of comments and the general intensity of passions. The article looks like an information dump to bring confusion into our orderly ranks. Cool down, citizens, this article clearly appeared for a reason. It somehow doesn’t fit that this could happen. After all, there are no fools in power in Iran. And all the steps are calculated in an elementary way.
    Self-control is the other side of speed.
    Let's follow the developments...
  76. iravanxan
    -3
    13 August 2012 01: 23
    I see everything ..................... wassat when do you come in and when do you leave 24 hours
  77. 0
    13 August 2012 01: 59
    Guys, somehow you have gone somewhere off topic of the article. I believe that the Russian Federation backed down and got into trouble by not selling the S-300 to Iran.
    1) S-300 air defense system is defense weapon.
    2) In the event of an armed conflict, the Russian Federation will have information on the combat use of the S-300 and its combat stability and confirmation/refute of the declared performance characteristics.
    The latter gives our design bureaus a chance to modernize the system, which is still the main air defense system in our air defense.
    Article minus
    1. iravanxan
      -2
      13 August 2012 02: 05
      Ramses_IV hi good night, why did you go off topic, there are such weapons on the site that any missile is so-so zilch drinks
  78. iravanxan
    -1
    13 August 2012 02: 48
    am neutral I see everything laughing it was 308 and now it’s 269 when will you go out and minus at 05-00 in the morning??? here is your essence from behind the scenes and from around the corner
    and warriors are also going to fight with us

    don't disgrace your people

    If I were you, I would leave ................................... because you don’t have the honor of a man .time records everything

    tomorrow everyone will read my comments neutral shame you won’t end up leaving in peace and I will leave too. I came to rid this good site of people like you! amdon't muddy the waters am
    1. iravanxan
      -1
      13 August 2012 03: 18
      03-17 ooooooooooooo already laughing 92don’t forget here too ------ bold put how about honor ahhhh neutral

      your biggest mistake is that you woke us up from hibernation and for that I am sincerely grateful to you laughing
      I’m talking to you in front of everyone as a man, ready to meet not virtually but in reality and talk like a man, do you accept my challenge? amalready 88 means you don’t accept my challenge then get out....................................... ......

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