The modernized MLRS BM-21 "Grad-M" will go to the troops next year

The modernized multiple launch rocket systems (MLRS) "Grad-M" will begin to enter the troops next year, 2021. Reported by "News" with reference to a source in the Ministry of Defense.

As the newspaper writes, the design of the upgraded vehicle remained unchanged, the main update concerned the fire control system. The machine is equipped with new modern electronic equipment, which makes it possible to independently carry out all calculations related to the launch, than the crew commander did before. In addition, the updated "Grads" are integrated into modern automated control systems, which allows the installation to be controlled remotely in real time.

Currently, the BM-21 Grad MLRS are gradually being replaced by the more advanced Tornado-G MLRS developed on the basis of the Grad. However, there are still about 500 Grad MLRS in service, and a certain amount is in storage warehouses.

Aleksandr Kochkin, deputy general director of the Tekhmash concern, announced last spring that all the BM-21 Grad MLRS remaining in stock will be upgraded to the level of the Tornado-G MLRS.

According to him, it was decided to use the scientific and technical groundwork obtained during the creation of the Tornado-G MLRS for the modernization of the Grad rocket systems in service with the army. At the same time, he specified that the modernization will be carried out simultaneously with the release of the new MLRS "Tornado-G".

MLRS "Grad" (9K51) is a 122 mm multiple launch rocket system designed to suppress manpower, unarmored and lightly armored enemy equipment, as well as to solve other problems depending on the prevailing situation. The MLRS was adopted by the army in 1963. The caliber of the shells used is 122 mm, the number of guides is 40 pieces, the maximum firing range is 20,4 km.

Comments

[Mountain shooter]

Budgetary ... the lethality of these machines will only increase ... and such an upgrade is much cheaper than releasing new MLRS. MO saves the people money. And it is right.

[Boris Chernikov]

and why not ... the range of 40 km in some cases is excessive, but the speed of decision-making for artillery is very important

[Cottodraton]

In general, the range is independent of the system. It depends on the type of projectile. Nobody forbids sticking a shell flying 40 km into the old "Grad"

[Boris Chernikov]

I agree, but the guides themselves are also slightly changed there, Therefore, we decided not to take a steam bath, but to put only a ballistic computer with a communication and navigation module ... it's like with armored vehicles, it will cost 2-3 times cheaper, and therefore you can do more and update the army

[Lopatov]

Quote: Boris Chernikov

but the guides themselves are also slightly changed there

No.
There is a data entry system, but it can be installed on a regular Gradov package.

[Boris Chernikov]

visually they seem different)

[Lopatov]

Quote: Boris Chernikov

visually they seem different)

Visually, they are almost invisible

[Lopatov]

Quote: Cottodraton

In general, the range is independent of the system.

Controversial.
Under the USSR, the "system" was a projectile + installation complex.
For example, "Grad-P" is, among other things, a collapsible RS 9M22M
"Grad-1" is an installation plus a short-range RS 9M28F
"Prima" is an installation plus the RS 9M28F extended range

[venik]

Quote: Boris Chernikov

and why not ... the range of 40 km in some cases is excessive, but the speed of decision-making for artillery is very important

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Why do you think that the modernized "Grad-M" can not shoot new projectiles for 40 km?

[Boris Chernikov]

well, it is not yet confirmed ... but if it can, it will be good

[VO3A]

the range of 40 km is in some cases excessive, but the speed of decision making for artillery is very important

The range is related to the question of a possible replacement of small-radius strike UAVs! A conventional UAV illuminates the target and a "tethered" Tornado-G (S) "or cannon destroys the target with one shell in real time ... Considering that the" Tornado-C "shell flies up to 200 km, then a very large territory with fairly simple UAVs without helicopters and airplanes !!! We have several "schools" of such high-precision shells, we have unpretentious UAVs for this, we just don't have the brains of stupid military personnel to introduce modern and advanced methods of warfare .. ..

[Lopatov]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

MO saves the people money. And it is right.

?
It turns out on the contrary, does not save.
After all, "Tornado-G" is already in the army ....

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: Spade

It turns out on the contrary, does not save.
After all, "Tornado-G" is already in the army ....

I don't understand your logic ... Tornado + Grad-M is worse than only Tornado, and Grad for scrap metal?

[Lopatov]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

I don't understand your logic ... Tornado + Grad-M is worse than only Tornado, and Grad for scrap metal?

And I don't understand the logic of MO.
Why were these antics with the "Tornado-Ge" necessary, if you could simply upgrade the "Grads"?
Unless, of course, we do not count the deception of the layman with an increase in the percentage of "new technology"

And what would the troops get with a simple upgrade? Yes, the same "Tornado-G", but which can be manually guided without a stool .. That is, for example, the transfer of sighting turned out to be a waste of money.

[Cottodraton]

Tornado is the same hail, but updated. Another thing is that the same automobile base on which the old system is based is no longer produced ... That is why they are modernizing. Making a new one from scratch is more expensive than tinkering with an old one that has not worked out its own technique. Where necessary, they will change the car base and twist auto-guidance.

[Lopatov]

Quote: Cottodraton

Tornado is the same hail, but updated.

[Observer2014]

In the color of the latest events, I thought this is what I thought. But can they not come up with any KAZ? From all the flying evil spirits loitering? There, behind the cockpit near the spare wheel, there seems to be a place for three or four charges with a vertical launch and a small radius of up to fifty meters to destroy any drones.

[Boris Chernikov]

it's better to insert a wick in one place)

[Cyril G ...]

Not. But the military order should be saturated with something new like the ZU-23mod. on a car chassis .. or mtlbv

SAM Sosna with very cheap missiles and minimal reaction.

And I would not have toiled with the nonsense with Derivation, but did it like a chain. would take a naval gun of 76 mm caliber. And Che hits targets at all altitudes.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Cyril G ...

And I would not have toiled with the nonsense with Derivation, but did it like a chain. would take a naval gun of 76 mm caliber. And Che hits targets at all altitudes.

The first were the Italians from OTO Melara:

Moreover, the Italians have had serial guided anti-aircraft shells for this gun for five years already (it is only unclear whether the SUAO will fit on a land chassis for them).

[Cyril G ...]

There might be something attached to the battery?

[Vadim237]

In the dimensions of the Tornado G missiles, it is possible to make kamikaze shock drones as an additional high-precision projectile.

[VO3A]

And why "kamikaze", and shock UAVs at short distances up to 200 km are not needed! A high-precision projectile with guidance in the final section using unpretentious UAVs ... Everything has been done for a long time, but not implemented, there is no understanding from the top management, there are no new systems, there are no regular formations for this ... Our General Staff only deals with nuclear weapons and hypersound, rather, he follows how the factories are doing this, but he attributes others' merits and victories to himself !!! And they have to do with it? And, the goals are chosen !!!
And any simple military operation, and immediately a bummer ... There is nothing, we are not able to do anything, we use the heroism of the fallen people! Syria is zero complete from the point of view of conducting modern military operations, everything is the old-fashioned way according to the patterns of the 2nd World War, but with new weapons ... The advanced army of the world! It's funny ... it's already sad ...

[Oleg123219307]

Quote: Observer2014

In the color of the latest events, I thought this is what I thought. But can they not come up with any KAZ? From all the flying evil spirits loitering? There, behind the cockpit near the spare wheel, there seems to be a place for three or four charges with a vertical launch and a small radius of up to fifty meters to destroy any drones.

It is possible, but problematic. The radar is needed, and he is an expensive bastard. And our Armed Forces are not Armenia, with all their will. No one will let UAVs and other patrolling stuff go 200 km.

[VO3A]

No one will let the UAV and other loitering rubbish reach 200 km.

They let me in and no one can do anything. The same Armenia! There is nothing in Syria, we do not have new systems, we have not introduced advanced methods of warfare, we have not created new regular formations for this, and the old ones do not provide such an opportunity ... It is touching to observe hundreds of old men with general's shoulder straps in command centers on chairs with dull affection looking at the screen of monitors, where they show the same stupid movie !!! This is reform !!! This is the advanced army !!! And we have everything !!!

[Oleg123219307]

Quote: VO3A

No one will let the UAV and other loitering rubbish reach 200 km.

They let me in and no one can do anything. The same Armenia! There is nothing in Syria, we do not have new systems, we have not introduced advanced methods of warfare, we have not created new regular formations for this, and the old ones do not provide such an opportunity ... It is touching to observe hundreds of old men with general's shoulder straps in command centers on chairs with dull affection looking at the screen of monitors, where they show the same stupid movie !!! This is reform !!! This is the advanced army !!! And we have everything !!!

And who allowed at least one UAV to approach Khmeimim? Do you confuse the case of the Arabs and our army?)))

[VO3A]

Whose UAV? Partisan from the store, or collected on the knee? You come out of patriotic frenzy or other sometimes !!!

[Oleg123219307]

Quote: VO3A

Whose UAV? Partisan from the store, or collected on the knee? You come out of patriotic frenzy or other sometimes !!!

Please explain the difference to me. What is handicraft, what is factory, performance characteristics plus or minus are the same. That is to say, our air defense missile defense system can intercept, but a healthy UAV, the size of a decent plane, but cannot with speed and maneuverability like a bomber from the Second World War? Or does the Grad shoot down the shells, but the barrage ammunition flying 10 times slower cannot? What will prevent that? Speed ​​- no, this bullshit is pretty slow. Stealth? - with an active radio channel - do not be ridiculous. Maneuverability? - well, anyway, no more than a fighter. Small in size? - MLRS shells are overridden. Or would you like to remind you of Iran, technologically lagging behind us by half a century and bringing down and landing the coolest American drones? Neither we, nor China, nor the states, use UAVs against an equal opponent for a very simple reason - it is useless. Telecontrol technology was developed in the 50s. And then they learned to fight. While the drone is exchanging data with the launcher, it is a target that shines brightly on all radars.

[VO3A]

Why are there so many correct words? You chose the worst example. Khmeimim is a base with powerful air defense, there is usually no such cover in the combat zone. Babakhs do not have aviation, and the quality of the UAV is not clear? And does the result in this case say something?

[Oleg123219307]

Quote: VO3A

Why are there so many correct words? You chose the worst example. Khmeimim is a base with powerful air defense, there is usually no such cover in the combat zone. Babakhs do not have aviation, and the quality of the UAV is not clear? And does the result in this case say something?

Well, words are usually spoken in a dispute when they want to reasonably prove their opinion. Please give me an example of the successful use of a UAV against a country with a developed air defense system. It comes to my head only once.

[VO3A]

There are no such examples. Neither Iraq nor Yugoslavia determined anything ... But in Syria, the Jews do whatever they want and no one can stop them ... But the tactics of US military operations against countries with developed air defense systems have been announced. And while there is no opposition to it ... Without nuclear weapons, we would have been demolished in 3 days, which is why the doctrine of a retaliatory nuclear strike was adopted even with a non-nuclear attack on us in a critical situation, and the pi_ndos know this ... But we have no successful use of UAVs. .. In Syria, at least at the last stages of the UAV, they began to correct the strikes .... more precisely, the Krasnopoli was highlighted, but we also have other weapons, but there are no adjustments for it from the UAV! Daredevil, centimeter ...

[Oleg123219307]

Quote: VO3A

There are no such examples. Neither Iraq nor Yugoslavia determined anything ... But in Syria, the Jews do whatever they want and no one can stop them ... But the tactics of US military operations against countries with developed air defense systems have been announced. And while there is no opposition to it ... Without nuclear weapons, we would have been demolished in 3 days, which is why the doctrine of a retaliatory nuclear strike was adopted even with a non-nuclear attack on us in a critical situation, and the pi_ndos know this ... But we have no successful use of UAVs. .. In Syria, at least at the last stages of the UAV, they began to correct the strikes .... more precisely, the Krasnopoli was highlighted, but we also have other weapons, but there are no adjustments for it from the UAV! Daredevil, centimeter ...

Well, there was one moment - the Saudis demolished the oil refinery by Iranian UAVs. But this, in my opinion, is just a certain surprise effect. Do we need these UAVs? In Syria, they managed without them, and against NATO, these are all toys. You are right about the nuclear club, we cannot compete without it with a bloc that exceeds our budget fifty times, but it is not really necessary. The tactics of military operations against countries with developed air defense - theory. The last time they tried was in the Vietnamese, and they snapped it tight. And I don’t believe in a conventional war with NATO.

[VO3A]

It seems to me that UAVs are needed to create an information field and issue target coordinates for weapons systems in real time, along with other information means, ranging from satellites to stationary or mobile posts, to conduct network-centric combat operations with a weak enemy or with the support of one of the parties ...

[Oleg123219307]

Quote: VO3A

It seems to me that UAVs are needed to create an information field and issue target coordinates for weapons systems in real time, along with other information means, ranging from satellites to stationary or mobile posts, to conduct network-centric combat operations with a weak enemy or with the support of one of the parties ...

Everything seems correct to you. This is actually a very precise list of their tasks in modern warfare.

[VO3A]

"It seems" it is more of a speech turnover ... The program for the creation of such systems was approved by Putin in 2000 with the terms of equipping the army in 2020. The result is "minus 0" ... Time was wasted, huge funds were spent, the ESU TZ "Constellation-M" system, adopted by Gerasimov in 2013, is in the trash heap! At the theoretical level, it was decided that we do not need such systems, they are disabled by electronic warfare systems. We are creating systems for automating troop control (making and communicating decisions) and counting our troops and their location in the absence of information about the enemy in real time. 41 years old ... Again, for a grain of information about the enemy, we will stack up our soldiers ... In all conflicts, we are in the ass and write the minds of hero spotters, scouts, pilots on monuments ... Theater of absurdity and complete stupidity .. This is despite the fact that we have everything for such systems that were vital yesterday ...
Even in "TORNADO" there is a target designation channel, which is not and will not be ", from ESU TZ !!!!

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: Observer2014

that's what I thought. But can't they come up with a KAZ? From all the flying evil spirits loitering?

Hmmm ... as in an anecdote? One-eyed, who has lost his last eye ... "Crazy, sailed! Hello girls! -In response, the words of a completely blind ..."

[Gavrohs]

The modernized MLRS BM-21 "Grad-M" will go to the troops next year

Finally born: it should have been done 3-4 years ago!

[Lopatov]

Quote: Gavrohs

Finally born

No, this is something from a completely different topic

[Gavrohs]

Why does the article say

updated "Grads" are integrated into modern automated control systems

[Lopatov]

Quote: Gavrohs

Why does the article say

updated "Grads" are integrated into modern automated control systems

Not like that.

The Israelis have full-fledged high-precision ammunition. Very good.
But the use of which from the "Grad" is not particularly justified, there would be enough several guides

And in this version of the modernization, the "Grad" will be equipped with the elements of ASUNO, which ensure the binding of the launcher, self-orientation, the calculation of installations for firing and automatic guidance of the package of guides

[Gavrohs]

The Israelis have full-fledged high-precision ammunition. Very good

Yes' well, I didn't know thanks! This is a kit upgrade for countries, mainly the former Soviet Union, (well, if they want to buy) And the guides with a full package are sure that every crew commander would like to have two or three such candies in a package!

[Lopatov]

Quote: Gavrohs

Every crew commander would like to have

?
And why should he?

Quote: Gavrohs

this is a kit upgrade for countries, mainly the former union

This is a "kit upgrade" for 122mm rockets. And they are released from different PU.

[VO3A]

the updated "Grads" are integrated into modern automated control systems, which allows the installation to be controlled remotely in real time.

This is a phrase for fools. The person who wrote, or rather repeated, does not have the slightest idea about such systems, like our entire military leadership .. This delusional phrase in essence and form, very accurately characterizes the level of mastering the latest methods of conducting combined arms combat in our army ... every word is stupidity and stupidity at the same time !!! The words are good, but they are placed in a stupid way, verbal diarrhea ... We do not have such systems, we cannot do anything in real time ... We do not even have information about the enemy in real time, except in direct combat contact ....
Modern systems should detect and destroy the enemy in real time without contact and detection of our military by the enemy and already yesterday ...

[venik]

Quote: Spade

No, this is something from a completely different topic

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I wanted to ask "from another opera": Does "Prima" have guides a little longer than the standard "Grad" or is it just an "optical illusion"?

[Lopatov]

Quote: venik

Does the Prima have a slightly longer guide than the standard Grad, or is it just an optical illusion?

As far as I know, standard

[VO3A]

Here I look at all the pictures from the exercises and see the same thing! Beat with direct fire within sight. Everywhere! Either the MSTA or the Coalition fired directly from the trench, or the TORNADO-S fires, so that the gaps are visible .. Of course, we cannot do otherwise ...

[Nikolai Petrov]

Only next year. But the thief Vasilyeva became some kind of "artist". So that's all about the Patroits. dear. What, there? Someone stole a bucket of potatoes *! To jail him for 6 years! And for the stolen lard, perhaps in a row with Aivazovsky ..... Somehow this is wrong.

[Constanty]

Despite the illogical rejection of post-Soviet weapons (which in real battlefield conditions have many advantages), the Grads have been modernized in Poland for over 12 years (since 2007). Yes, their range is not great, and attempts to increase it in relation to the design features of launchers have a very negative effect on the accuracy of missiles at those 30-40 km, but this is still a good and dangerous weapon that should be modernized - more respect for the creators for more than half a century back!

[Pavel57]

Quote: Cyril G ...

And I would not have toiled with foolishness

Will Turkish drones get there?

[Cyril G ...]

Reach up to 7 km. Which means that large UAVs will also be pushed to high altitudes from a comfortable 4-5 km. Which in turn makes them a very real target for the same Buk

[maktub]

Here's news as news: -MO USA signed a contract with SpaceX Musk to develop new transport rockets instead of transport aircraft
C-17 Globemaster III
The XArc company will take part in the development.
(TRANSCOM) Vice Admiral Dee Mewborn

[ZEMCH]

Any weapon is good in skillful hands

[ankir13]

Grads, in the era of shock drones, became completely dim, combat stability is not visible They do not have time, even against an average enemy ... Only against partisans, if.

[VO3A]

Very controversial and superficial judgment! One gets the impression that shock drones are like a mantra for many, only a tambourine is not enough! A conventional UAV within the range of modern MLRS and guns is cheaper and more effective ... An attack drone is only for partisans if ...

[gorenina91]

The modernized MLRS BM-21 "Grad-M" will go to the troops next year

`` That's really ... business ...
-What ... -It was impossible, perhaps, to put them in the same Armenia ??? - All the same, after all, it's free ... - so let them be happy about that too ... - In Karabakh, they would now have these "Grad-M" ... just would be useful ...
-And to supply "Modernized MLRS BM-21" Grad-M "" ... to the Russian troops "next year" ... -To be honest, personally, I just did not expect this ... -Who should I use them against? ?? - And the Chinese are bursting with laughter at all ...

[VO3A]

Learn dialectics !!! And how and what you can use is not yours ... burst into laughter!