"Infantry in front of tanks": strange tactics of Armenian troops are discussed on the net

The Ministry of Defense of Armenia has disseminated a video titled "Guys reflecting enemy attacks." This video has garnered special attention and is being actively discussed online.

The discussion is related to the strange tactics used by the troops. In particular, those shots where Tanks and the infantry are moving in parallel directions, with the infantry soldiers clearly in front of the line of at least one of the armored vehicles.

The network suggested that the infantrymen were not ahead of the tanks, but simply moved parallel to the front line, covered by the tank on the left in the frames. But this assumption is clearly not true, as can be seen from the actions of the tank crew on the right in the frame (about the 13th second in the video).

The tank, being in motion, fires a shot exactly in the direction in which the movement (and his, and the infantrymen, and another tank) in the frames is carried out. This means that the enemy (or the alleged enemy) is exactly in front, and not on the side, as in the above-mentioned assumption.

Even if the above-mentioned video fragment contains training actions, it can be stated that tactics are in any case extremely dangerous from the point of view that, when used in practice in combat, there are high risks of unjustified losses among the infantry personnel. Infantry, which the Armenian side trains and uses in operations in the conflict zone.

It should be noted that the fighting continues after the conclusion of agreements on a humanitarian truce. The truce involved an exchange of prisoners and bodies of the dead, but so far nothing has been reported about such an exchange. The parties to the conflict continue to blame each other for the escalation of the situation and violations.

Comments

[Alexey Sommer]

If someone was next to the tank when the tank gun was fired, he can imagine what it would be like to walk in front of the tank.

[Alexey Sommer]

That's about it.
Only live it is even worse.)

[immobile2008]

could launch Chinese drones from Alishka, 10 times more and at a greater distance, more sense, and people would be sorry.

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: Alexey Sommer

Only live it is even worse.)

Live ... at the exercises in front of the trench, a tank fired from a cannon. Single ... the guys were thrown out of the trench ... Well, I didn't get to the trench for a long time, joker ...

[Maz]

An acquaintance of mine served in a very secret unit, it is forbidden to let him even into Israel, although he has never touched them personally. He is an extremely highly trained specialist. Jews, even without weapons, are afraid of him like plague. That's when they say that one Russian special forces soldier is equal to a company of the American marines - that's about him. So he told me how he passed laboratory work on a tank training ground for an exam in theoretical mechanics during tank firing, the guys got used to any troubles with their nervous system, there were about twenty meters to the firing tanks. And he is a sailor according to VUS. So here it is, but here they just teach the infantry.

[Maki Avellevich]

Quote: Maz

He is an extremely highly trained specialist. Jews, even without weapons, are afraid of him like plague.

Maz, have you already stopped drinking cognac in the morning?

[indy424]

looks like construction battalion

[Michael_59]

Quote: indy424

looks like construction battalion

exactly, near Krasnoyarsk!

[maiman61]

He only drinks champagne in the morning!

[pereselenec]

"Infantry in front of tanks": strange tactics of Armenian troops are discussed on the net

The tactics ceases to be strange after the clarification of "free Syrian infantry in front of the tanks"

[voyaka uh]

Such tactics exist. (If only the Armenians applied it consciously and correctly).
The tactics are called "English". The IDF also used it before (I don’t know how it is now).
But I myself participated in such exercises.
1) The infantry is in a rare chain. With a distance between the infantrymen of at least 10 m
2) Support tanks move from behind at a distance of 50 meters, no less.
Tanks suppress fire emplacements opened by infantry with fire. The infantry is lying down at this time. Then the movement continues.

[Herman 4223]

The Germans used this during the war, they also had assault weapons for this that moved behind the infantry and suppressed the firing points that interfered with the advance of the infantry, the infantry fought with anti-tank weapons.

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: Herman 4223

The Germans used this during the war

What are the Germans! In 1941, this was practiced in the Red Army ...! Ahead, infantry lines ... and behind, tanks! German machine gunners mowed down infantry chains, and anti-tank crews were taken for tanks! ...

[stasimar]

In that war, everything was practiced. But according to the charter, there was no such crap. Nemchura also had nothing in the charter, for example, about hostages in front of the infantry.

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: stasimar

But according to the charter, there was no such crap.

I'm not talking about the charter! The description of this episode is taken from the diary of a German officer ... This episode took place at the very beginning of the war. Such a tactical "technique" surprised the German so much that he considered it necessary to describe this episode in detail in his diary ...

[voyaka uh]

Right.
1) There was a line of infantry and assault guns behind.
Plus, the Germans still had:
2) machine-gun groups of 5-7 people to infiltrate / break through the defense at the joints of enemy units.
3) tank groups of 3-4 TIII tanks for the same.
----
The British took only number 1 from the Germans).
Replacing assault guns with medium-heavy tanks.
And the IDF took tactics from the British.
Advantage of tactics: 1.small own losses
2. Low risk of encirclement (extrusion instead of breakout)
Disadvantage of tactics: 1. Low rate of attack 2. no strategic breakthroughs

[Serg koma]

Berlin 45th: Battles in the den of the beast. (Part 6. Isaev Alexey Valerievich)

The main principle of the actions of armored vehicles in the city in the conditions of the massive use of faust cartridges was the withdrawal of tanks and self-propelled guns to the second echelon. Stepping through the streets, the tanks followed the infantry at 30–40 m, suppressing and destroying the firing points that hindered the advance of the infantry.

So that's in the city.

And in the video, if anyone looked, the soldiers dug a trench for themselves in the offensive, and in a line they move along it overtaking tanks - forward to the enemy! Behind the tanks, only cameramen are advancing
Staged video, with exercises, 100%. Why and for what they move a group of soldiers - this is known only to the commander of the exercises, or to that leitehi, the platoon commander, who, in violation of everything and everything, simply "got lost". As an action justifying such a maneuver - training soldiers in modern combined arms combat using self-propelled equipment: tanks, self-propelled guns, infantry fighting vehicles, armored personnel carriers, etc. on the subject of tank fear. "Treatment of" tank fear "in the Finnish army .

[Herman 4223]

A good book, the historian writes competently.

[Nazar]

Serg Koma - 47 years ago in the Soviet Army, he performed the same exercise as the Finns in the video, with only one difference, the Finns roll back from under the equipment to the side of the road, and we, on the contrary, rolled between the tracks and, after the vehicle passed, it was necessary to throw a dummy grenade behind, in the place of the engine

[Garris199]

And ours practiced. There is such an episode in Fadin's memoirs, although he had to convince the infantry to do so.

[Lynx2000]

This tactic is really not new. Also, in interaction with tanks, BMP / armored personnel carriers should act together with the infantry to suppress the calculations of grenade launchers and ATGMs.

In the conditions of urban combat, the infantry also moves along the left and right sides of the streets, in front of the tank, revealing the calculations of the grenade launchers.
Machine-gun points and identified sniper prone are suppressed with a tank shot.

[Alekseev]

"Such tactics exist"
And this is far from a secret for those who are in the slightest degree familiar with the Combat Regulations of the Ground Forces.
For "some civilians", perhaps, it is news that when attacking fortified positions, the infantry should not hide behind a tank or in an infantry fighting vehicle at all, because this is useless, the armor of the BTT will not save from modern means of destruction this is "the last hope."
The earth, as well as its own fire and maneuver and other means (smoke and aerosol curtains, electronic warfare, etc.)
The infantry advances in dismounted battle formations, moves applying to the folds of the terrain, and the tanks from behind, also hiding as much as possible, in the intervals between rifle subunits, and suppress the enemy firing points.
Of course, doing so is not easy. This is for trained troops. If you run directly in the MBT fire sector, then after firing gases, he will tear off his head, not to mention the elements of the BPS, KAZ, etc.
Behind the tanks and, even more so, inside the BMP, motorized riflemen attack only a sufficiently suppressed enemy.
For example, after powerful air and artillery strikes or weapons of mass destruction.

[Slasherrus]

Not only does it exist, it is the main type when attacking an unsuppressed enemy defense, so this tactic will be used in 90% of cases. In front of the infantry, behind it tanks, behind the tanks BMP / armored personnel carriers. And just like that. And this is according to the charter. Attempts to let the tanks forward will end up knocking out the tanks that have escaped ahead, and then the infantry, which will remain alone on the field and where will go.

[Blue fox]

The tactics are called "English"

Logically, the British in the desert attacked the outposts located at a great distance from each other and individual fortified positions of the Italian and German troops, only then the infantry also simultaneously inspected the area for installed AT mines.

[not main]

Quote: voyaka uh

2) Support tanks move from behind at a distance of 50 meters, no less.

That's it! If closer, then a tank shot will "neutralize" its infantry! Once on a hunt, on a duck, from a boat I experienced the impact of a 12 gauge overhead! I think there is no need to explain the difference between a 12 gauge (18mm) and a tank gun with a caliber of 115 to 125 mm?

[Bad_gr]

Quote: voyaka uh

2) Support tanks move from behind at a distance of 50 meters ....

When I served, there was a case in the exercises: with a T-62 with a blank charge, they fired at a nearby BRDM (the distance I would not say more precisely) - it turned upside down with its wheels.
And then the infantry. After the shot, they would not have scattered like a flock of scared crows.

[maktub]

Economy option: -infantry as IMR

[Hypertension]

So there it is not clear what is safer for a soldier - to be near the tank or in front. In this conflict, tanks are targets for ATGMs. And they themselves burn, and the infantry is not protected.

[Herman 4223]

The fact that the tanks turned into targets speaks only of poor air defense, it does not cope with its tasks.

[Hypertension]

There, ground-based ATGM systems seem to be doing quite well. Tanks in a classic layout without a KAZ are no longer capable of anything. Only as firing points. No front breakthroughs and offensive operations. He buried himself in the ground, put up a turret with a barrel, and shoot 3+ kilometers, praying. The Armata concept is another matter. But this is a matter of the future even for Russia, to say nothing of the Karabakh theater of operations.

[Herman 4223]

ATGM must be suppressed by good artillery preparation before the offensive, and its work during the offensive itself. If it is not possible to plow completely, then create a good smoke screen at least. This is also a question of interaction and opportunity.

[Alekseev]

"Little of what they are capable of"
Learn history lessons.
Were tanks capable of much without infantry and artillery, without
air supremacy of their aviation, without well-established combat, technical and logistical support in World War II?
There are countless examples of this. And counterattacks of mechanized corps near Dubno, Lutsk and Brody, and Prokhorovka, etc. etc. Hundreds of tanks burned and exploded without any ATGM or UAV.
Tank armies in battles with a strong enemy lost up to 10% of their tanks after 15-75 days of front-line operations.
True, not irrevocably. But, often, as a result of their actions, despite the losses, the enemy "lost everything."
During the Arab-Israeli wars, Israeli combat helicopters burned hundreds of Arab tanks with ATGMs. But it was clear to all the military that this happened due to the lack of normal air defense and proper interaction with fighter aircraft, the lack of proper strikes on the air bases of the same anti-tank helicopters, as now, for a number of reasons, there are no strikes on the bases of attack drones.
Therefore, it never even occurred to anyone to rant about the "decline" of the era of tanks, for what to attack and counterattack?
So far, no other means have been invented.

[Maki Avellevich]

Quote: Alekseev

During the Arab-Israeli wars, Israeli combat helicopters burned hundreds of Arab tanks with ATGMs.

in what war? you seem to be exaggerating a little.
Arabs, as a rule, lost tanks from tank fire or simply threw them.

[Alekseev]

Quote: Maki Avellievich

in what war?

Maybe slightly, but nevertheless "On October 14 (1973) the Egyptians launched an offensive from the bridgehead on the eastern bank of the Suez Canal. This day was a triumph for helicopters armed with ATGMs. Eighteen Israeli helicopters destroyed 90 Egyptian tanks, almost half of those taking part. on the offensive "
Aviation and Cosmonautics 1997/7

[Maki Avellevich]

Quote: Alekseev

Maybe slightly, but nevertheless "On October 14 (1973) the Egyptians launched an offensive from the bridgehead on the eastern bank of the Suez Canal. This day was a triumph for helicopters armed with ATGMs. Eighteen Israeli helicopters destroyed 90 Egyptian tanks, almost half of those taking part. on the offensive "
Aviation and Cosmonautics 1997/7

The Egyptians had a Soviet Baby, the Israelis didn't have pturs in 1973.
It looks like Aviation and Astronautics misled you.

[Vadim237]

This is what kind of anti-aircraft defense is needed to shoot down kamikaze drones over each company of tanks - and after all, very soon they will begin to add shock cores to their warheads flying tens of meters above the equipment explodes and hits the tank and other armored vehicles from the top with shock cores and no dynamic protection and KAZ from this will not save.

[Herman 4223]

I think something like Shilka in a modern version. Unmanned aerial vehicles are also not cheap, if there is an air defense umbrella above the tanks, plus a KAZ capable of shooting down flying toys, then the effectiveness of Kamikaze Drones will decrease to zero.

[chingachguc]

from ATGM how to escape?

[Herman 4223]

It is possible with the help of KAZ or artillery.

[V1er]

Judging by the downsides, when I write something bad about Turkey, VO will soon become an Azerbaijani-Turkish site. There are a lot of comments and posts about the war and the victorious arias of Azerbaijan. That's all I wanted to say. This is sad. I would like to hear the side of the Armenians, they are generally silent here.

[Volodin]

Quote: V1er

Judging by the downsides, when I write something bad about Turkey, VO will soon become an Azerbaijani-Turkish site. There are a lot of comments and posts about the war and the victorious arias of Azerbaijan. That's all I wanted to say. This is sad. I would like to hear the side of the Armenians, they are generally silent here.

Just a couple of days ago, there were diametrically opposite claims to VO. The reader complained that you represent one Armenian side here with its victorious reports, publish at least something "Azerbaijani" ...

Maybe everything is very simple - and the point is who deliberately turns a blind eye to what publications.

[V1er]

Yes, I read every article about Karabakh, and I may have seen Armenians 2 times in all the time, but Azerbaijanis write 10-20 comments under the articles, with videos, and victorious speeches. I have never said anything bad about them, but I should have written a comment about Turkey and Karabakh, that this conflict is very beneficial for it and that in general Turkey is in a negative position here. For this I just catch tons of cons. Probably Armenians and Russians minus)

[Ulrich]

Don't you care about the cons?

[V1er]

Yes, do not care already. Even if 100 minuses are put by recently registered ones, it will not change anything. It is more important and interesting for me to read people's opinions. Therefore, I write in such a style that a conversation begins.

[1976AG]

Quote: V1er

Judging by the downsides, when I write something bad about Turkey, VO will soon become an Azerbaijani-Turkish site. There are a lot of comments and posts about the war and the victorious arias of Azerbaijan. That's all I wanted to say. This is sad. I would like to hear the side of the Armenians, they are generally silent here.

Armenians and Azerbaijanis have different times of visiting the site. Although sometimes they do overlap.

[Pshelts]

Quote: 1976AG

Armenians and Azerbaijanis have different times of visiting the site. Although sometimes they do overlap.

Something forum users from Armenia, very few have become and for a long time already .. Basically forum users from Azerbaijan and very aggressive, if you object something about Armenia, etc. They have a clear information war on the internet ..
But Armenia has other levers and more powerful influences .. Now they are just starting to pull them around the world. I didn't want to offend anyone, just observation and for a long time .

[Polymer]

Quote: Pshelty

Some members of the forum are from Armenia, it has become very few and long ago

So there, at the suggestion of their new prime minister, they adopted laws against the Russian-language media. Perhaps the site was then blocked on this wave in Armenia.

[Krasnodar]

Because to fall in rank at VO!

[svp67]

If such tactics are used, then there are a lot of infantry with anti-tank weapons ahead.

[Runway]

This is a shooting range. Maybe it is corny "combined" postrelushki tankers with "running-in" of the infantry with tanks and tank armament (the soldiers are trotting along the trench).

[signifera]

I alone noticed green targets in the video, and then red bars along the roads? Well, obviously the same training ground. And the sheathed machine gun at the tank, in battle, turned back ... well, and other moments ... There is no sound, I have not heard what he says in an interview, but these are not military actions.

[kotdavin4i]

Video from the exercise - there are targets on the field.

[Volodin]

Quote: kotdavin4i

Video from the exercise - there are targets on the field.

It seems like the text indicates this ... Or the tactics of fighting are not practiced during the exercises?

[kotdavin4i]

Quote: Volodin

Sort of,

In the text it is like: "The Ministry of Defense of Armenia has distributed a video titled" Guys reflecting enemy attacks. "This video has attracted special attention and is actively discussed on the network."

[Volodin]

Quote: kotdavin4i

In the text it is like: "The Ministry of Defense of Armenia has distributed a video titled" Guys reflecting enemy attacks. "This video has attracted special attention and is actively discussed on the network."

Well, if you dwell on the first sentence, then yes ...
And if you read at least a little further, then you can even reach the words about the teachings

[kotdavin4i]

Quote: Volodin

And if you read at least a little further,

I agree - there are such letters: "Even if there are training actions on the mentioned fragment of the video," - BUT they are said by the author of this article, and not by the Armenian Defense Ministry - which presents this video as a video from the combat zone.

[rotfuks]

If the infantry moves in front of the tanks, then after a shot from a tank cannon, the infantrymen will rip off their heads like bobs with cabbage. There was like a video on YouTube, a man was standing in front of the T-72 tank 20 meters away and to the side. And after a shot from a tank gun, the headless man stood for almost a minute, and then collapsed like a sack. Such tactics may have been used in World War II, when the guns had 45 caliber.

[Maki Avellevich]

Quote: rotfuks

If the infantry moves in front of the tanks, then after a shot from a tank cannon, the infantrymen will rip off their heads like bobs with cabbage. There was like a video on YouTube, a man was standing in front of the T-72 tank 20 meters away and to the side. And after a shot from a tank gun, the headless man stood for almost a minute, and then collapsed like a sack. Such tactics may have been used in World War II, when the guns had 45 caliber.

do not abuse youtube.
at a distance of 20 meters from the side of the tank gun it will not tear off anyone's head.

I personally watched an Italian journalist who wanted to photograph the 155 mm howitzer firing from the side. chose a distance of about 10 meters.
I, as a gentleman, offered her to get away from sin, but she just stared.
shook her thoroughly but it's okay.

[Scorpio05]

Quote: Volodin

Quote: kotdavin4i

Video from the exercise - there are targets on the field.

It seems like the text indicates this ... Or the tactics of fighting are not practiced during the exercises?

Quote: V1er

Judging by the downsides, when I write something bad about Turkey, VO will soon become an Azerbaijani-Turkish site. There are a lot of comments and posts about the war and the victorious arias of Azerbaijan. That's all I wanted to say. This is sad. I would like to hear the side of the Armenians, they are generally silent here.

Why are they silent? Armenians answer with deeds instead of chatter. They fired at a residential complex of new buildings and historical buildings in the second largest city of Azerbaijan, Ganja, late at night, during the period of the signed ceasefire. There are many killed and wounded, incl. and children. And they fire for several days in a row at the Mingechaur State District Power Plant and the largest dam in the Caucasus. Perhaps they think they will blow it up, although the Azerbaijani air defense / missile defense system in Mingachevir is coping. Where did the Armenians get the new Tornadoes .... Why not the answer?

[Cyril G ...]

Quote: V1er

VO will soon become an Azerbaijani-Turkish site.

There is such a thing. They are here in waves ...

[Vadim237]

Because they are XXXX natics.

[Vasya Lozhkin]

Armenian women give birth to new

[Vadim237]

Only now they will not be able to give birth to new equipment to replace the destroyed one.

[Kote Pan Kokhanka]

Quote: Vasya Lozhkin

Armenian women give birth to new

Quote: Vadim237

Only now they will not be able to give birth to new equipment to replace the destroyed one.

I know that I will catch a cloud of minuses, but this is not even rudeness - this is natural cattle!
If not for upbringing, I would wish your mothers to hear this when you are carried to the churchyard in white slippers.
Vile ...

[Metallurg_2]

"They'll kill the infantry - we'll recruit more peasants, Russia is big. And the horses - they cost money."
The amount does not change from replacing Russia with Armenia. One Armenians in any case is cheaper than one tank.

[Split]

You are definitely cheaper than wedges

[nnm]

More quotes from feature films!
Better yet, go straight to the idiotic fantasy about an invented "quote" of how women still give birth.
Or some other nonsense was not piled in a heap?

[Vyacheslav Borichevsky]

It's a shame that our journalism is starting to sink intellectually !. I advise you to read the works of Mideldorf!. Depending on the tactical situation, the infantry can advance ahead of the equipment!. The equipment produces support for the infantry with direct fire at the identified targets !. effective in mountainous areas and urban areas !. In this video, the soldiers do not move openly! And in the likeness of a trench !.

[lvov_aleksey]

this video is generally for amateurs, to discuss the last matter, for example, why cut everything, I want a full tour of events!

[MA3UTA]

I don't think this is the accepted tactic.
Selected fragments of the video cannot allow us to assert this.

For some reason, everyone writes that fighters can get a shell shock or go deaf, and they say this is a problem. They can go deaf and stunned by enemy artillery fire in any case.

The problem is different. In unjustified and inevitable losses
- When a tank is fired with a sub-caliber, three rather heavy segments of the leading ring of the centering support fly behind the crowbar. The skull can be easily removed for half a kilometer.
- When the tank repels an attack, the ATGM, either with KAZ elements, or with fragments of dynamic protection, will cut the soldiers.

what if a soldier just falls in front of the car from a minor wound?

Infantry ahead of tanks on the battlefield?
"I do not believe"

[Isim soyad]

All the hypocrisy of the Soros: "The Armenian Defense Ministry disseminated a video titled "Guys reflecting enemy attacks"."
Video footage from training, possibly Armenian. Red flags, conventional models of enemy tanks, infantry formation. Even looking and reading is disgusting.

[Cottager452]

The Armenian drew on the hike.

[Alkatrass A]

If you are at war with Azeris, it is not necessary to follow the tactics of war.