The problem of "effective managers" in industries and enterprises: modern realities

One of the problems arising in our country in the field of industry, technology, economy, is associated with the selection of qualified personnel. If at one time, albeit with the existence of its own system of "employment by pull", it was difficult to imagine as the head of an enterprise, and even more so a whole industry, a person who was not previously associated with industry activities, now it is quite often ...

The industry, including the high-tech one, is often "ruled" by the very "effective managers" who do not know the very foundations of the industry in which they were decided to be engaged in vigorous activity. For such “specialists” the main thing is to work out a certain order from certain financial or even political circles. Most often, the principle is the same: a new leader - a new "optimization". This is a series of layoffs, layoffs, cuts and the like.

It also happens that professionals come to enterprises in the field to which these enterprises belong. But when they try to put these people in order, to establish in which direction the funds allocated by the state went, these people find themselves under pressure from those who “cannot be contacted”. Often such people become involved in criminal cases, they are credited with either waste or "misuse". As a result, the chair is no longer a professional in his field, but a person loyal to the same behind-the-scenes circles - another "effective manager".

Andrey Uglanov, a guest of the Day TV studio, discusses problems of this kind, the collapse of industries and industry enterprises, and modern realities:

Comments

[Daniil Konovalenko]

In order to steal from profits, effective managers are needed.

[Livonetc]

The trouble, even more serious, in the case when they steal not from profit, but directly from the turnover.
In this case, profit will not come.

[Daniil Konovalenko]

So for this effective and necessary, from turnover, from profits, budget to pull ... The whole effect is this ..

[Ilya-spb]

Need to do something!

There were no "managers" in the USSR. And they coped well.

[strannik1985]

On average, the management cadres of industrialization / collectivization were less well trained, with all the consequences. The paradox is that the beggar Union could and did invest huge amounts of money in priority projects.
P.S. And one more nuance, it was difficult to steal a lot, much more difficult.

[neri73-r]

Quote: strannik1985

P.S. And one more nuance, it was difficult to steal a lot, much more difficult.

Rather nowhere to spend and nowhere to be! Everyone was in sight. And to steal and put in a jar ........, well, there were such.

[Vadim237]

"The paradox is that the impoverished Union could and did invest huge amounts of money in priority projects." The highest priority for the Union has always been the military-industrial complex.

[zenion]

Forgot Lenin's main installation - checking and accounting! And so they did. Those who dealt with the money were registered, as were the resources. Then they did not tweak, because money was stolen not from the factory, not from the country, but from the people. And the people did not forgive thieves. A short trial and then, saw, or an ax in hand, or an unmarked grave. This applied not only to Soviet specialists, but also to foreign ones.

[_Sergei_]

And from where it started. Since Gorbachev's perestroika. When they began to choose the leadership. Immediately, the factories became ineffective and the production was not profitable. I remember at our RMZ they began to produce an installation for scalding piglets. The price was the same as the BMP. We made two and no one bought it. And they produced kerosene stoves. Houses with them burned only on the way. During these elections even then it was necessary to shoot. The hard workers were pleased that they had chosen the manager for themselves, and when the plant got up with cancer, they grabbed, but it was too late. Already privatization has come Yeltsin-Chubais.

[Rusticolus]

So the people were politically unsophisticated, trustingly accustomed to the fact that an idiot would not be made a director, and often they were completely faint-hearted, although they still suck at those faint-hearted. So they picked up a herd, those who gorapanit louder and hang noodles more generously.

[210ox]

In the USSR, the director of the plant was a highly qualified specialist, who passed from and to at this enterprise or at a similar one in the industry. Now, it's just a dummy, carrying out the command from the money bag.

[Van 16]

Exactly. Nowadays, directors are appointed mainly either accountants (not even economists, accountants), or lawyers who are neither be nor mee in production.

[MP]

You wrote nonsense dear. Appoint "their man" by pull, and not by his profession. He can be an engineer, have experience and specialized education. But the sense of all this is zero.

[Van 16]

I judge by my enterprise. If earlier they really went through the steps, relatively speaking: chief engineer-chief engineer-director, now from chief accountant to director, from the beginning of legal department to director.
They behave accordingly. For example: a machine has broken down, a serious one, a spare part is needed. It costs, say, a hundred tr. a memorandum is written, a demand is signed from whoever is needed and lays down on the director's table. And he writes: allocate 50 tr. Is that okay? Where can I get the rest of the money? Sorry, this is not a market where you can bargain ..
And then "their own, thieves", for some reason they do not study to become engineers, they mainly study to become managers, lawyers, economists.

[Virus-free crown]

Quote: Daniil Konovalenko

In order to steal from profits, effective managers are needed.

To steal from profits - "anyone can"
"Effective managers" do not even steal from the turnover ... they steal from the authorized capital and credit funds

[vik669]

All the same, not effective but defective managers basically "rule" instead of hand-to-hand weeding of the taiga!

[Uncle lee]

The last point is the most important!

[lucul]

The last point is the most important!

Is there anti-Semitism? ))))

[Uncle lee]

And no "anti-Semitism"!

[iouris]

RF is not a business organization, but a non-profit enterprise. Receipt of profits is not provided.

[fn34440]

They forgot to tell who controls and not so much, stakes in the most promising "state enterprises", in which chairs they sit, which parties they lead. Along the way, casting in granite, in foreign currency, offshore, and in other low tide places.
How they hinder the progress and normal development of enterprises and industries.

[vik669]

Now is not the 37th year - what you want, then ...!

[rocket757]

One of the problems arising in our country in the field of industry, technology, economy, is associated with the selection of qualified personnel.

This is just a side effect of the main problem !!! These are the CONSEQUENCES!
And the problem is the same that was born more than 30 years ago!

[Cat]

But the problem is the same that was born more than 30 years ago.

That's how she took it and was born ... Each problem has a dad with a specific name. and a photo in a personal file. And the fact that this is not a criminal case is also to blame for a specific name.

[rocket757]

no one asked to present the dossier ... but everything is correct, each "case" has, there is a parent of it, i.e. Name is required ... more often than not one.

[apro]

One of the problems arising in our country in the field of industry, technology, economy is associated with the selection of qualified personnel

The problem is not in personnel, but in goal-setting. If the profit is on the pocket, then technical knowledge is not particularly necessary. To squeeze out everything that is possible ... and then God will forgive.
Society today has fallen into the power of cash. And this is hammered into the head from an early age. Success at any cost. The main thing is that there would be exhaust ... and therefore new generations absorb those skills that will help to survive and succeed ...

[CommanderDIVA]

It was not for nothing that Stalin's letters had the slogan, "Cadres decide everything," in the good sense of the word, under the USSR we got geniuses and heroes from the lower classes, now there is a successful process of moribundation of the population, and the problem with effective top and middle managers or managers in Russian we will still come around

[apro]

Quote: CommanderDIVA

It was not for nothing that Stalin's letters had the slogan, "Cadres decide everything," in the good sense of the word, under the USSR we got geniuses and heroes from the lower classes, now there is a successful process of moribundation of the population, and the problem with effective top and middle managers or managers in Russian we will still come around

The goal of the Soviets and the goal of the Russians? Is there a difference? And for these goals and personnel were selected ..

[maktub]

We still have "strong business executives", "experienced professionals" who come with the same goals as "effective managers"

[Alien From]

Few people want to work, that's all the realities ...

[7,62x54]

It seems to me that the "effective" not only in the industry settled down. Take legislators at different levels. Half are casual passengers. "This is our goal, your task. No, this is our task, but your goal ..."

[kakvastam]

I'm afraid the problem goes deeper.

Anyone who has come across projects in large organizations knows what this curse is - girls are "project managers" (boys, however, are not better). For some reason, in our Fatherland, it is generally accepted that in order to manage something, it is not at all necessary to understand anything about it. Perhaps this is exactly what comes from the very top, but as a result there are no managers, but there are as many clerks as you want.

There is no doubt that not every competent engineer is capable of being a good leader, and even if he is capable, he will not necessarily agree, but the belief that any cook can manage (and not learn it, unlike the original source) instills confidence in the future. More precisely, the fact that this day may turn out to be black.

[New Year day]

Honestly, I'm tired of procrastinating this topic. This system also has a father. When the thief Vasilyeva is released from her criminal record after 2 years, she gets everything confiscated from her and then becomes an academician of the Russian Academy ...

[Flinkfan]

What is this yap on the video?
"The spectacular St. Petersburg manager Lopota" did not tell him how he and his Leningrad accomplices ruined RSC Energia with loans, how he drowned the Corporation in Sea Launch, for the sake of his gesheft and his son's gesheft, how he brought out the entire heating system of the Corporation (supplying and half of the city near Moscow) into a separate joint-stock company and registered it in the Leningrad region ???, and the famous words: "How did SP Korolev and his communists arrange everything here? We break it, break it, but we can't break it ..." , but about the ruin of the Volga branch, with the copying of documentation for unknown purposes, and the maintenance in Leningrad of a personal chauffeur with a car at the expense of the Moscow Region Corporation, and their almost weekly business class trips there for a visit (with the registration of business trips, not only for themselves, but and for his entire Leningrad pack), and the "missing reserve ship", for which funds were allocated from the budget, and accidents, and machines inflated during testing, and the hiring of some af yurt by designer Pirozhkov from Toyota Citroen (https://rb.ru/longread/russia-go/), so that he bungled a plywood yurt in the form of a country toilet for the exhibition at MAKS, for showing to the leaders of the country, etc. .d.
Until the practice of "jumping bunnies with feeding labels" prevails in domestic economism (for a year or two or five they put at the helm - "jump up and grab for life for yourself and your children, just unfasten whoever needs it") without any responsibility for what you have done, nor anywhere, nothing worthwhile.

Former sectoral ministers, from the machine tool, through the management of the collectives of departments and enterprises to ministerial posts, lived their lives, and in our current theater of absurdity, all the main roles are "distributed according to the size of ass", as in the "Azerbaijan Opera and Ballet Theater named after Comrade M.F. Akhundov "ⓒ

[Vladimir1155]

The occupation administration is deliberately destroying production in the Russian Federation, and appoints to positions only those who fulfill the instructions for the collapse of industry and agriculture, they simply fulfill the task from above. International transnational corporations were hindered by competitors in the form of domestic industry, now they have taken over Belarus. They want to pass the law of Klishas and Krasheninnikov about removing children from their parents within 24 hours without calling the parents and without a clear reason. They destroyed the industry, stole natural resources and now they set about supplying young slaves abroad for organs or families of perverts ... but the people are silent and drink beer and vodka.

[Vadim237]

Agriculture in Russia is rushing by leaps and bounds, and machine-building is feeling more or less confident - and there is no need to drive about some kind of disorder.

[Abrosimov Sergey Olegovich]

Quote: Daniil Konovalenko

In order to steal from profits, effective managers are needed.

STEAL FROM PROFIT ???
Yes, I would be happy. if our "effective managers" were stealing from profits !!! In this case, Russia would have the most powerful, most modern and competitive industry and service sector !!!
In order to "steal from profit" you need to create this profit !!!
Unfortunately, they steal from us just not from profit, but from other sources ... for example, from fixed assets ...

[iouris]

An ungrateful topic. First, someone (who is not afraid of anyone) must organize, conduct an investigation into the role of EVERYONE in the process of plundering the country (USSR) under the leadership of the ambassadors of the United States, Great Britain, and Germany and implement the materials of criminal cases.

[Slavyanin]

So maybe this is the task of "highly effective" monopolist managers? Then the reasons for the losses of Rostelecom and Russian Post become clearer. They seem to be leading the remnants of state-owned enterprises to the "necessary" privatization. And after privatization and transformation into JSCs they will receive super-profits and rejoice that they managed to take away the remnants of the Great Country.

[yehat2]

the main problem is that managers are assigned with different goals.
The result of production or other business does not bother them at all. I only care about the accounting total and their bonus.
And the method is not important. If the total profit for the year from the sale of the enterprise is higher than from the realization of the result of the activity, this is a completely normal option for new managers.

[andrew42]

Inter alia, "Pure manager" is pure Evil. We need SPECIALISTS, including in the financial sector, of course. But most of all, specialists in technological matters are needed, and in front of them all "managers" are obliged to dance curtsies. Until this happens, we will remain a "McCain gas station" with a wild hump of a "pseudo-service economy" for commodity and financial tycoons and their "effective" salesmen.

[Rostislav]

The problem is that there is no demand. They steal mainly in the state. enterprises, pulling away the budget. The private trader's volumes are not the same, and is there any sense in tyrit himself?

[tank64rus]

With the labors of the righteous, you cannot make stone chambers, but we have so many built on the acquired "back-breaking labor" across ALL RUSSIA and you don't believe your eyes. How can there be such mansions in a poor state, even without foreign mansions. A thief is a thief and a thief drives, and the military pensioners were again given a ride in Gosdur.

[Mikhail3]

One of the problems arising in our country in the field of industry, technology, economy, is associated with the selection of qualified personnel.

That's right.
However, speaking about managers, that is, people who now command production, the problem lies not in the area of ​​their qualifications, but in the area of ​​their goal setting. That is why these managers come to enterprises and what they are trying to achieve with their activities. The conviction that these people should grow the industries they run, strengthen and develop them, is ridiculous to say the least. Such naivety testifies either to the extreme stupidity of the "analyst", or to the fact that he received a very tough order, so our author carries his renix with an imperturbable face.
Empty air shaking.