In the Israeli brigade "Givati" there was a mass brawl, among the victims there are officers

The Israeli press publishes materials that tell about the manifestation of hazing in the ranks of the country's defense army.

Reports indicate that there was a massive brawl between soldiers at the training base of the Israeli 84th Givati ​​Motorized Infantry Brigade. According to the latest information, representatives of two companies met in hand-to-hand combat at the indicated base.

In total, over two dozen servicemen were injured as a result of the fight, 7 of whom were sent to the hospital. The rest, reportedly, received assistance from the medical unit at the military base.

It is also noteworthy that there are officers among the victims of the fight. So far, their names and titles have not been announced, as well as their state of health after the incident.

According to some reports, the conflict could have erupted on ethnic grounds. According to the Israeli media, the fight was provoked by the servicemen of a company of the so-called desert scouts, where ethnic Druze and Bedouins serve.

To date, the command of the Givati ​​brigade is investigating all the circumstances of the mass brawl, identifying the instigators in order to punish them and prevent similar incidents between the Israeli army in the future.

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[Insurgent]

In the Israeli brigade "Givati" there was a mass brawl, among the victims there are officers

The officers, apparently, tried to somehow restore order, call the brawlers to discipline ...

Well ... and "snatched" ...

In general, this is what the service leads to without strict discipline, "relaxed", about which colleagues from Israel recently wrote here with such pride ...

Learn to walk in formation (figurative expression), otherwise - "Jewish rebellion, senseless and merciless"...

[Evil543]

the fight was provoked by the soldiers of the company of the so-called desert scouts

Intelligence she is , just like ours in due time

[avib]

It's not really intelligence. It's just a motorized infantry combat unit. If you translate the name literally, it is even difficult to find an exact definition in Russian. Maybe a combat patrol?
the dictionary gives it like this:
1.excursion
2.bypass
3.Patrolling
4.intelligence
5.tour
6. walk

[Grandfather]

Norms ... we with the dagami in the dining room did not mix up frail, 20 people participated, they did without medical units, they did not even send anyone to the "lip", we talked and that's it.

[Roman1970_1]

There, too, at the entrance to the dining room, everything began. So they write at least.
Everyone is hungry, everyone wants to be the first

[9 Shaft]

That's right - the translation is right! "During the Excursion around the base, someone did not notice the Detour, Patrol and Reconnaissance stopped this Tour, and for many this Walk ended in the infirmary))))))

[tihonmarine]

Quote: avib

6. walk

The guys had a good walk.

[iouris]

Quote: avib

If you translate the name literally, it is even difficult to find an exact definition in Russian.

Combining business with pleasure?

[ccsr]

Quote: avib

Maybe a combat patrol?
the dictionary gives it like this:
1.excursion
5.tour
6. walk

I just thought that only Israelis can bring service and business in one place, and this is called "service in the IDF". It was considered an encouragement to visit various excursions in the Soviet Army, but even Soviet political workers could not turn the army into an excursion.
How much are tickets for such excursions in Israel?

[The popuas]

They didn't share who is the first to enter the dining room ...

[Pshelts]

Quote: Evil543

the fight was provoked by the soldiers of the company of the so-called desert scouts
Intelligence she is , just like ours in due time

So yes, the intelligence got involved, the guys there are hot ... Well, I think one greyhound got caught on the national soil and it started)))
I hope everything was sorted out there. Selection is tough for such units.!
Not only in Russia, such clashes happen so ..))))

[Elturisto]

In my opinion, there were always more scumbags in intelligence, at least in the SA.

[militarist63]

the fight was provoked by the soldiers of the company of the so-called desert scouts

Intelligence she is

Aha! They provoked ... and left for the desert ... for reconnaissance ...

[Mik13]

Quote: Insurgent

In general, this is what the service leads to without strict discipline, "relaxed", about which colleagues from Israel recently wrote here with such pride ...

Well, I am not a supporter of the Israeli army, but if you consider the issue objectively, in Russia there are an abundance of such cases. And recently - also because of interethnic problems.
Most often, the cause of conflicts becomes some kind of community, which systematically terrorizes the rest of the military while ignoring these problems by the officers.
Well, we haven't forgotten about the situation with Shamsutdinov, probably?

Therefore, I propose to still think about whether there are positive aspects in the organization of army discipline in the Israeli army ...

[Lopatov]

Quote: Mik13

Well, I am not a supporter of the Israeli army, but if you consider the issue objectively, in Russia there are an abundance of such cases.

When do officers snatch when trying to end riots?
No, this is a rather rare occurrence.
And in most cases it doesn't end well for the soldiers.

[Simple]

Quote: Spade

When do officers snatch when trying to end riots?

Well, for example, when a woman was the reason for a fight.

[Doliva63]

Quote: Spade

Quote: Mik13

Well, I am not a supporter of the Israeli army, but if you consider the issue objectively, in Russia there are an abundance of such cases.

When do officers snatch when trying to end riots?
No, this is a rather rare occurrence.
And in most cases it doesn't end well for the soldiers.

It was so, yes. But maybe it's different now?

[Lopatov]

Quote: Doliva63

It was so, yes. But maybe it's different now?

Hardly.
I don't think the officers have turned into suicides.

[Doliva63]

Quote: Spade

Quote: Doliva63

It was so, yes. But maybe it's different now?

Hardly.
I don't think the officers have turned into suicides.

I remember that officers - graduates of the 90s either did not go into the "showdown", or solved them according to "concepts." So they themselves told. Former Tbilisi Art School. Wildness, in general.

[Lopatov]

Quote: Doliva63

I remember that officers - graduates of the 90s either did not go into the "showdown", or solved them according to "concepts." So they themselves told. Former Tbilisi Art School. Wildness, in general.

I have a lot of acquaintances and colleagues who studied there, a couple entered Tbilisi at all and then moved to Sverdlovsk. And I haven't heard anything like that.
Yes, the criminal situation around the school was worse than in Kolomna, but not so much ...

And as for the officers, most of the "political officers" were there. Sverdlovsk military-political, tank-artillery. On the contrary, they would rather fit where they don't need to than pretend that they don't see.

Maybe bikes?

[Doliva63]

Quote: Spade

Quote: Doliva63

I remember that officers - graduates of the 90s either did not go into the "showdown", or solved them according to "concepts." So they themselves told. Former Tbilisi Art School. Wildness, in general.

I have a lot of acquaintances and colleagues who studied there, a couple entered Tbilisi at all and then moved to Sverdlovsk. And I haven't heard anything like that.
Yes, the criminal situation around the school was worse than in Kolomna, but not so much ...

And as for the officers, most of the "political officers" were there. Sverdlovsk military-political, tank-artillery. On the contrary, they would rather fit where they don't need to than pretend that they don't see.

Maybe bikes?

I worked for 2 years with EVAKU. They entered Tbilisi, finished in Joburg. Ukrainian and Moldovan - Marik, it seems. They told me. After graduation, they almost immediately got to Chechnya. A year after the withdrawal (somewhere in Volgograd) they quit. They told me. To me, even with the experience of serving in the ZABVO, where there is wildness around, a lot seemed like wildness. At the expense of the officers. There, after the SVVPTAU, officers of the art department remained (all the artillerymen are the field of the academy) and teachers of non-military subjects. So there were no longer any "political officers". And what was going on in the barracks - I never dreamed of that in a nightmare! And it's hard for me to imagine a cadet as a pimp. I don't think they were talking about themselves. Meaning?

[Maz]

It was established that we are talking about the failure of the commanders who were present at the place of the military confrontation and were unable to stop it. As a reminder, 21 servicemen received minor injuries in the fight, 7 injured were taken to Soroka hospital in Beer Sheva.
The brigade commander gave the order to suspend the exercises for two companies, whose soldiers participated in the fight, and the company commanders were severely reprimanded. In addition, the army assured that strict disciplinary measures would be applied to privates and platoon commanders. In addition, an educational conversation about norms of behavior, army values ​​and tolerance will be held on the base jointly for the two companies. The IDF assured that at the end of the proceedings, appropriate conclusions would be drawn and circulated to all servicemen.
It was established that a fight took place at the entrance to the canteen between the soldiers of the company as part of the "Shaked" battalion and the servicemen of the company as part of the Bedouin trackers. Judging by all, the fighters did not agree on who would go first to eat. About 30 people took part in the massacre. Interrogated perpetrators allege that one of the commanders threatened a soldier to burn down his house. In addition, there were testimonies according to which some servicemen were pointing the barrels of their personal weapons in the direction of their opponents. And here is the link. They keep hearing on the radio all day long
https://www.vesty.co.il/main/article/SyUH6GMDw?fbclid=IwAR3F57gW-hDXyf_VbjQVjzBNM5sLJuuSUy2t_JGK9joE4XVPWIordUJU08Q
The IDF explained that for two reasons it was decided not to initiate a criminal case: firstly, so as not to spoil the future of young people, and secondly, so as not to create tension among the Bedouin recruits.
It is noted that the fight was stopped by the commander of the training unit, who arrived at the scene of the conflict. Later, there was another fight at the base, but this time only between two servicemen. They fought on the balcony, but the commander immediately separated them. Violators will be punished.
Lousy officers you have Aronchik
they were not in time to see cacti, they could not chew.

[staer-62]

Everything is correct. I did not serve, I was a traveling photographer in Ekibastuz, this is Kazakhstan, in a construction battalion at their GRES construction sites during the Soviet Union. They were called up there mainly from auls, villages, etc. they knew how to speak Russian every other time. He was sworn in, the guys came out dressed like homeless people in everything old and not in height, they could not read and said in their own words: "I swear to beat the damned fascists" in the early 80s.)) How will the officers cope with them? I saw an officer in the barracks trying to put things in order, young, fit, all smoothed and a crowd of kishlachniks. His overcoat on his back was spattered while he was trying to do something. So these Bedouins, what kind of discipline can there be.

[Pavel57]

Did the girls participate?

[Lara Croft]

The Israeli press publishes materials that tell about the manifestation of hazing in the ranks of the country's defense army.

и

conflict could erupt ethnically

author so you decide what caused the fight? In the IDF, hazing is suppressed in the bud, up to the dismissal of officers and the disbandment of the unit ...

[Insurgent]

Quote: Lara Croft

In the IDF, hazing is suppressed in the bud, up to the dismissal of officers and the disbandment of the unit ...

Apparently they will do so, but it is likely that this time they did not track, did not notice any alarming symptoms, and it "exploded"?

[Reviews]

Quote: Lara Croft

The Israeli press publishes materials that tell about the manifestation of hazing in the ranks of the country's defense army.

и

conflict could erupt ethnically

author so you decide what caused the fight? In the IDF, hazing is suppressed in the bud, up to the dismissal of officers and the disbandment of the unit ...

And what is wrong? Or is "nestavnyak" for you just Russian-style hazing? Since when did mass brawls become part of the charter? And it doesn't matter what kind of "soil" it is.

[BARKAS]

author so you decide what caused the fight? In the IDF, hazing is suppressed in the bud, up to the dismissal of officers and the disbandment of the unit ...

Isn't ethnic conflict a relentless attitude?

[Lopatov]

Quote: Lara Croft

In the IDF, hazing is suppressed in the bud, up to the dismissal of officers and the disbandment of the unit ...

Is that what they say?

[Maz]

What should I remind you of? Lara Croft, this is how I can. Only then it will be ashamed. And about harassment, but about the spacer of young grandfathers, and just about the yellow house, and about racial discrimination. Remind me? My memory is good, and I love your brother more and more.

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: Maz

What should I remind you of? Lara Croft, this is how I can. Only then it will be ashamed. And about harassment, but about the spacer of young grandfathers, and just about the yellow house, and about racial discrimination. Remind me? My memory is good, and I love your brother more and more.

20 years old Maz chokes, but eats a cactus.

[miru mir]

there is no such happiness anywhere

[Lara Croft]

Quote: Maz

Lara Croft, this is how I can.

You can't do anything ...

Only then it will be ashamed. And about harassment, but about the spacer of young grandfathers, and just about the yellow house, and about racial discrimination.

it was hard for you in life, you have been everywhere, you have been everywhere ...

[Boris ⁣ Shaver]

Quote: Lara Croft

In the IDF, hazing is suppressed in the bud,

And nationalist fairy tales are the basis of ideology. As a result, representatives of any other nationality will always be a kind of "irritant". This is the root of the problem. And to "cut in the bud", for such a situation, means either a rejection of nationalist views, or 100% cleansing of the "ranks". Everything else is to stop the consequences.
The resulting model is easily extrapolated to the entire Israeli society as a whole. And what kind of integration of "normal Palestinians" can we talk about in such a society?

[Daniil Konovalenko]

.. Will understand .. Conclusions will be made, the guilty will probably be punished ..

[askort154]

Bedouins are hardy, freedom-loving and very vindictive. They have a blood feud. It is amazing that they are in the service of Israel. Now the Israeli guys will wake up and they will put everything on their shelves here.

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: askort154

It's amazing that they are in the service of Israel

Pancake! What's so surprising? Druze, Jews need Bedouins! They are born trackers (scouts) who know the desert perfectly, who know how to live in the desert, for this is their "home"! I once read the story of one special unit, staffed mainly by Druze, Bedouins ... They operated in the Gaza Strip ... Within a short time, hundreds of Palestinian militants were destroyed in their area of ​​responsibility with very insignificant losses of special divisions .... But later they decided to significantly reduce the number of Druze, Bedouins in the division ... to "dilute" it with "true" Jews ... guided by some political considerations ... (possibly, to "progressive the public "Israel and international .... rumors reached about the harsh actions of the soldiers of the unit-Druze and Bedouins ...) And as a result ... the effectiveness of the unit has significantly decreased. In the end, this unit became a regular formation in the ranks of the Israeli Armed Forces!

[indy424]

this is not entirely true. the Bedouin battalion still exists as part of the givati, but as a separate unit. the Druze battalion was disbanded, but this was done in agreement with the Druze elders for better integration into Israeli society. today the Druze serve almost everywhere. I also had a Druze soldier. I don't know what rumors have reached you, but everything works great.

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: indy424

I don't know what rumors have reached you, but everything works great.

I do not pretend to be objective ... My comment is a free retelling of an article I once read, apparently on the Internet in one of the popular Internet publications ... moreover, I cannot say exactly how many years have passed ... I remember. Perhaps the article was about a unit that you don't remember anymore ... I'll try to find this article ... but then ... how it goes!

[Nikolaevich I]

PS By the way, what is there to say about the "Druze battalion and the Bedouin ..." when there are several similar units ... in the past and present! ...
PPS23.05.2019
jewish.ru
On the basis of the IDF there was a massive fight of Bedouins with Jews
Newsru.co.il with reference to the KAN-11 TV channel reports on a mass brawl at one of the military bases in southern Israel. It is clarified that the fight took place between the soldiers of the Bedouin battalion and the battalion "Netzah Yehuda", in which Orthodox religious Jews serve.

[Boris ⁣ Shaver]

Quote: indy424

for better integration <...> everything works great.

We see )))
I repeat: in a nationalist state, the integration of other peoples, by definition, is impossible.

[askort154]

Nikolaevich  Pancake! What's so surprising? Druze, Jews need Bedouins! They are born trackers (scouts) who know the desert perfectly, who know how to live in the desert, because this is their "home hut"!

You didn't read my post carefully. I wrote - it's amazing why Bedouins serve Jews. And you pointed out the opposite to me - why do Jews need Bedouins. Do you feel the difference?

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: askort154

Feel the difference?

Yes, the difference is not so significant, if you approach this "creatively"! Well, like ... Because the Bedouins serve the Jews, the Jews need them! And it's clear why they are needed! How often do they say in such cases: "Nothing personal ... just business!"

[askort154]

Nikolaevich  Yes, the difference is not so significant, if you approach this "creatively"!

Of course, the difference is not "big". One hires - the other serves. One shits in the toilet - the other cleans up. Naturally, this can be viewed as a "creative" approach, especially in contemporary political art. The only difference is - from which side to look at this "creativity", and most importantly, how to get dividends from it. (I never use cons, I think this is a cheap argument in dialogue)

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: askort154

Of course, the difference is not "big". One hires - the other serves.

I read one interesting phrase (!): Druze serve Jews not because they love Jews ... (who loves them? ...), but because they "mortally" hate Sunni Muslims ...

[Krasnodar]

Quote: Nikolaevich I

Quote: askort154

It's amazing that they are in the service of Israel

Pancake! What's so surprising? Druze, Jews need Bedouins! They are born trackers (scouts) who know the desert perfectly, who know how to live in the desert, for this is their "home"! I once read the story of one special unit, staffed mainly by Druze, Bedouins ... They operated in the Gaza Strip ... Within a short time, hundreds of Palestinian militants were destroyed in their area of ​​responsibility with very insignificant losses of special .units ....!

At the beginning of the 6s, on the border with Egypt, the Palestinians undermined their fortification and rushed them - 45 two hundredths. About three hundred meters around the fortification "Tarmit" all the buildings were demolished by bulldozers (it looked like I imagined Hiroshima in mid-August XNUMX), but the guys began to take revenge. Many "fighters for the freedom of Palestine" were put in. From there, and stories about their effectiveness. The Arabs were afraid to breathe in their direction - we, reservists, reached their fortification point on TBTRs in ceramic armored vehicles during patrols, and these guys in shorts and T-shirts with a submachine gun behind their backs stood outside the room, behind the gate.

[Dym71]

Quote: askort154

Now the Israeli boys will wake up

They never sleep!

[miru mir]

but because they have been plowing since seven in the morning! at best from eight

[Dym71]

Especially on pig farms? Which are located so low above the Promised Land (I remember your story )
Salut!

[miru mir]

nope ... everything is automatic. I think so.
fat

[Dym71]

Quote: miru mir

everything is automatic there

Yeah, how to drink give

[Babermetis]

Quote: askort154

Bedouins are hardy, freedom-loving and very vindictive. They have a blood feud. It is amazing that they are in the service of Israel. Now the Israeli guys will wake up and they will put everything on their shelves here.

Why is it surprising? One serves as a tracker, and relatives unknown by paths smuggle and drugs through the wilderness. Very comfortably.

[Avior]

This is not a fight, but hand-to-hand combat training in an environment as close as possible to a combat one. Everyone is alive and well, and they got experience

[indy424]

Damn, everything is fine, and there is hazing, although not like 20-30 years ago, and there are fights. just didn't write before. and without Bedouins enough. as an everywhere

[Captain45]

Quote: indy424

Damn, everything is fine, and there is hazing, although not like 20-30 years ago, and there are fights. just didn't write before. and without Bedouins enough. as an everywhere

As V. Vysotsky sang - "after all there is a quarter of our former people", and what kind of Russian, even though he is a Jew, without a fight. The traditions of the Soviet army are not destroyed. Once they clashed with the Tajiks, and the Uzbeks pulled themselves up to the Muslim brothers, but the Russian Muslims - Tatars and Bashkirs from the Volga region - joined the Slavs. There was a noble mahach, 5 people. from Sr. Asia to "diesel" then left. It was long ago, in 1984, but it's nice to remember so far.

[indy424]

it is a pretext, not a reason. we once had two companies fought with poles from tents, though a long time ago. then in turn 10 people sat on the lip, so as not to reduce the battalion's combat effectiveness

[taiga2018]

It's better to let kosher muzzles beat each other than kill Palestinian children ...

[borberd]

Are Bedouin "Desert Rangers" having kosher muzzles? The degree of your awareness at the level of a political information lesson in the first grade of school in the year 80.

[taiga2018]

Quote: borberd

is the muzzle kosher?

I don't give a damn who has kosher muzzles and who doesn't, it's enough for me that they are all servicemen of the Israeli army, which means murderers of Palestinian children ...

[borberd]

It can be seen that you are not able to do anything else ... Yes, the Palestinian, take it higher, Christian.

[taiga2018]

Quote: borberd

take it higher, Christian.

I will take wider - all those who are weaker, who cannot adequately answer ...

[borberd]

Oh, the "hero" is detective. What a syllable, what is the meaning and ... complete ignorance of history. The propagandists stuck in the textures of the last century, they are usually like this ...

[indy424]

have you forgotten "they are all producers of kosher / halal matzo". it will be more accurate

[Krasnodar]

Quote: taiga2018

Quote: borberd

is the muzzle kosher?

I don't give a damn who has kosher muzzles and who doesn't, it's enough for me that they are all servicemen of the Israeli army, which means murderers of Palestinian children ...

Not only Palestinian. Syrian, Lebanese, Iranian, Canaanite, Philistine, Ibusean - for 3500 years there are many More old women. And donkeys. But old ladies are listed above donkeys.

[Dym71]

Quote: Krasnodar

And donkeys.

Answer especially for donkeys!

Shalom of fear!

[Krasnodar]

Shalom ve Bitakhon!
Greta is not an old woman yet, not a child anymore ...

[surf dude]

They are the ones who train before consuming the blood of Christian babies.

[indy424]

so soon Pesach !!!! get the sleigh ready for winter

[Pessimist22]

Did the Jews beat the goyim?

[Genak]

No, goyim goyim.

[cyborg]

Goyim beat gays.

[Krasnodar]

Quote: kiborg

Goyim beat gays.

You would be a city thug among these gays. With the corresponding nickname

[cyborg]

There already is one. Nicknamed Krasnodar ...

[Krasnodar]

Father Fyodor has collected all the sarcasm laid down by God (c)
No - you would be called differently. But not Cyborg

[cyborg]

I have nothing to do there because of my traditional orientation. And the place has already been taken by a dude named Krasnodar ..

[Krasnodar]

Do you want to lecture on the psychology of denial? Nobody blames you - they are born that way Just don't start talking about your marriage or girlfriend - everyone understands everything

[cyborg]

Things happen. A man lives for himself, he has a wife, children ... and after 20 years of living together, he suddenly realizes that he is gay. I knew this, his name was Krasnodar ...

[Krasnodar]

Well, wet fantasies began ... I thought it would come to this. I'm for girls, but don't despair - google gay clubs ... where you live there ... Chernivtsi, Lvov, Ivano-Frankivsk. You will find your destiny there. Koli among other cyborgs in the army were not found

[cyborg]

I'm on girls

Gays call each other girls. There are enough of them in Krasnodar. I even know one. It is registered on the ax, with painted general's shoulder straps. Just a general ..

[Krasnodar]

Is that what you call each other? I thought there was a division - a girl and a boy.
What do you know - no one doubts

[cyborg]

Madam Krasnodar general's wife, they won't give you a colonel-general! No matter how you comment here. You just need to give it to the administrator, then you will get the title ... extraordinary ..

[Krasnodar]

??
You got the wrong party - you need a resource like the Rain channel forum ... Or all sorts of fashion, sushi, hipster gadgets, etc. There, administrators are probably promoting different cyborgs in different ways.

[cyborg]

Spend three years of your life writing nearly 17000 useless comments. Horror!
Only gays can do that ...

[Krasnodar]

Yes, everyone has already understood that you have extensive knowledge of gays - Cyborg-Insider but, once again - I'm on girls who were born with female reproductive organs. And you don't need to convince me of the delights of same-sex love - this is your personal choice, you will still meet a good guy

[cyborg]

Normal men say "I'm after women." The expression "I'm on girls" is used either by old people or gays. If you're an old man, you don't need girls. However, if you are gay, then too. But 17000 stupid comments and the use of the word "girls" directly indicate that you have already met that very good guy ...

[Krasnodar]

Are normal men who work normally in prisons? Well, this explains a lot - but you probably had no problems with smoking there.

[cyborg]

For some reason you associate the word "men" with places of detention. Probably, you saw men only there. Looks like they "offended" you very much there ..

[Krasnodar]

We all already understood how you became Cyborg-Insider Condolences

[cyborg]

The moderator will demote you for a flood and all your three-year work will be lost. We will already condole with you.

[Krasnodar]

I will tell you a terrible secret - there is life outside VO. Only you to anyone

[cyborg]

Yes, but not you. You only live here, but you don't know about it. It's like two-dimensional creatures are unaware of the presence of a three-dimensional world ..
16852

[Krasnodar]

Exclusively here - with breaks for food and work for my uncle)).

[Mountain shooter]

Finding out - "who is cooler" in the teams of young guys - it just stems from the male nature. And the duty of the officers is to translate this aggression into a different competitive channel - whoever pulls up more, runs faster, shoots better, more precisely throws a knife ... Well, the education of collectivism - you are not alone, the guys will help you out, beat you back, pull you out ... it looks like company by company. "Ours are beaten!" And they no longer understand the reasons ... The guys are trained, it's good that there were no casualties ... so the "brakes" were still working ...

[chenia]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

Finding out - "who is cooler" in the teams of young guys - it's just from the nature of a man

In! First normal comment. Why didn't we have such a thing? This is normal, it means that the team has formed when a unit stands up for you, and the reaction to "ours is beating" the indicator of coordination.

Normal men (young) periodically have to knock each other on the beaks. This is normal.

[Avior]

There was a massive non-ethnic brawl last year.

... Tsakhi Dabush, a radio correspondent for Galei IDF, posted a video of a group fight at one of the bases of the Israel Defense Forces.
The "sports festival" ended with a fight. The elite special forces "Duvdevan" fought with the elite special forces "Egoz".

The reason for the fight was a divergence of opinion about the score in a football match between the two special forces.

Therefore, I think it is better to wait until the reason for the fight becomes known, and then draw conclusions

[Insurgent]

Quote: Avior

The reason for the fight was a divergence of opinion about the score in a football match between the two special forces.

[your1970]

As hazing relationship, so necessarily Russia ...
Well, nowhere is there such a thing, nowhere ...
Or maybe it is Russia on purpose - "highlike-like" - Israeli special forces are disabled ??

[Terenin]

Quote: Avior

In the Israeli brigade "Givati" there was a mass brawl, among the victims there are officers

Here's an addition from other sources.

Eyewitnesses claim that at a certain stage one of the soldiers twitched the bolt of the machine gun.

The officers who tried to separate the fighters were beaten.

The fight allegedly began over a dispute over which company should enter the dining room first.

[Avior]

Yes, the eternal army problem :)))
Do they even go to the dining room with loaded weapons? Do they even have weapons, I wonder?

[Krasnodar]

Quote: Avior

Yes, the eternal army problem :)))
Do they even go to the dining room with loaded weapons? Do they even have weapons, I wonder?

There is. But everyone has a weapon in their hands.

[Avior]

And why not?
Moreover, as they write above, it is also loaded or at least cartridges on hand.
I heard that in Israel you cannot carry a penknife in your pocket, but that is the attitude towards weapons.

[Krasnodar]

Weapons discipline. At the base (and leave) you walk with a store (or a pair) separately from your weapons. The Swiss standard penknife can be carried. If for self-defense, a screwdriver is better so that there are no problems with the law.

[Avior]

Weapons are also a source of increased danger
When the setting combat or close to it, I understand.
But on leave?
The contrast is surprising - the military - (and the military, as I understand it, but it's okay there, even though it looks exciting :)) walks armed to the teeth in the city, but the same person in a month, a civilian, will get big problems for a pocket knife if he seems too big.
Israel is a country of contrasts, as the heroine of the famous film said

Is it a real need to carry weapons, a tribute to tradition, or a way to mobilize fighting spirit?
Surely, emergency situations happen with weapons.

[Krasnodar]

Emergencies happen from time to time, but.
The part where everyone has a weapon is better protected.
The abundance of people with weapons in the street prevented / stopped the massacre of civilians by the "fighters for the freedom of Palestine."
A soldier who is urgently summoned to a unit with a weapon turns into a combat unit if the base (this is hypothetically) is attacked.
About the length of the knife - bike. It's just that if you used a combat or kitchen knife, the prosecutor's office can sew deliberate or excess (which is more often), if you hit it with a screwdriver in the liver - your lawyer has room to maneuver)) It's not Varik who can do it with the judge

[Avior]

I saw a discussion of knives on Varolaine, from there I learned that Israel has strict laws on this matter

[Krasnodar]

In Israel, many think so)) There was a fairy tale that a knife should not exceed the length of five fingers, etc. - all this nonsense))

[Doliva63]

Quote: Krasnodar

Weapons discipline. At the base (and leave) you walk with a store (or a pair) separately from your weapons. The Swiss standard penknife can be carried. If for self-defense, a screwdriver is better so that there are no problems with the law.

And if by state - PC, for example? On leave with him too?

[Krasnodar]

Of course - at home you are obliged to keep it in a place inaccessible to others behind two locks. The same applied to the meter classic M-16)))

[Doliva63]

Quote: Krasnodar

Of course - at home you are obliged to keep it in a place inaccessible to others behind two locks. The same applied to the meter classic M-16)))

Skewzmy, I didn't get it: of course, right? That is, you need to drag the machine gun with you, and the boxes to it ?!

[Krasnodar]

No - only personal weapons. Confused PC with AK

[Doliva63]

Quote: Krasnodar

No - only personal weapons

Does the machine gunner have a personal weapon? Well, only if I grabbed a kitchen knife from home That is, if I am a machine gunner, then I go to leave without a weapon?

[Krasnodar]

Of course I have ))
In addition to the machine gun - some kind of M-4))

[Doliva63]

Quote: Krasnodar

Of course I have ))
In addition to the machine gun - some kind of M-4))

Are you crazy - just carry the machine gun and tried the M-4 together? You wouldn't like it. And also a backpack, and a BC for both of them. No, obviously haven't tried

[Krasnodar]

So I had to RUN with FN MAG as a punishment, but with my unloading and 3 long M-16s - 15 seconds here, thirty seconds there, a minute crawling up the hill - if I didn't have time to crawl from the fence to the curb, then I could climb up the hill and up kicking
And this is also in G-style, some of them also hung a 10-liter container with water))
Now - the machine gunner WORKS usually without personal weapons. But he has it, he goes home with it, etc.

[Doliva63]

Quote: Krasnodar

So I had to RUN with FN MAG as a punishment, but with my unloading and 3 long M-16s - 15 seconds here, thirty seconds there, a minute crawling up the hill - if I didn't have time to crawl from the fence to the curb, then I could climb up the hill and up kicking
And this is also in G-style, some of them also hung a 10-liter container with water))
Now - the machine gunner WORKS usually without personal weapons. But he has it, he goes home with it, etc.

Yes, you, my friend, are a freeloader! Not everywhere we had PCs in reconnaissance, but when I served where they were, the "flyers" machine gunners ran for a while to the range - 6 km. there and 6 back. With all the required equipment, except for cartridges, of course. At the polygon, the time was set by the beginning of the polygon team. We did not meet - we repeat. But no more than 2 times a day - the personnel must be protected! True, the belt was removed from the machine gun, it was necessary to run with it in hand. Well, or who will attach it where True, the machine gunners were usually strong - one of them even fired a machine gun from his hand, so they usually ran once.

[Krasnodar]

I was not a machine gunner)) It was as a punishment that they drove me - and with a machine gun 6 km - yes, tough)) But - there was a chip with a belt. It could always be “improved”, ie. sheathe with foam rubber and sew a green cloth on it - they also coated black electrical tape in several pieces on top of this structure to make it more convenient and stronger

[Mik13]

Quote: Doliva63

And if by state - PC, for example? On leave with him too?

PKMSN - a dream)))

(Kalashnikov machine gun is a modernized easel night gun. It comes with a machine gun and a night sight NSPU or NSPUM. And belts in boxes for 200 rounds. A dream, not weapons. Especially on the march)

And most importantly - do not forget the spare barrel and a small convenient box for the NSPU

[Reviews]

Quote: Terenin

The fight allegedly began over a dispute over which company should enter the dining room first.

Fuck ... I'm afraid to even imagine what will start when you argue who is the first to enter the bar. Or from which end to break an egg.

[Terenin]

Quote: Avis

Or from which end to break an egg.

I remember as a child, when the guys learned to ride a bike, it hurts awesome from any end

[Reviews]

Quote: Terenin

Quote: Avis

Or from which end to break an egg.

I remember as a child, when the guys learned to ride a bike, it hurts awesome from any end

Yes, this is me about the "dispute between blunts and points" from Swift.

[Terenin]

Quote: Avis

Quote: Terenin

Quote: Avis

Or from which end to break an egg.

I remember as a child, when the guys learned to ride a bike, it hurts awesome from any end

Yes, this is me about the "dispute between blunts and points" from Swift.

It is clear, this is me for a "lyrical" digression

[Captain45]

Quote: Terenin

I remember as a child, when the guys learned to ride a bike, it hurts awesome from any end

And at the end, also not very pleasant oshusheniya

[Sentinel-vs]

And NOT elite, are there just special forces in Israel? )

[Doliva63]

Quote: Sentinel-vs

And NOT elite, are there just special forces in Israel? )

There is generally no special forces in our understanding of military special intelligence.

[Captain45]

Quote: Avior

There was a massive non-ethnic brawl last year.
... Tsakhi Dabush, a radio correspondent for Galei IDF, posted a video of a group fight at one of the bases of the Israel Defense Forces.
The "sports festival" ended with a fight. The elite special forces "Duvdevan" fought with the elite special forces "Egoz".

The reason for the fight was a divergence of opinion about the score in a football match between the two special forces.

It already happened, the dispute over the results of a football match led to a real war between Bolivia and Paraguay, it seems, in the 30s of the last century.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Captain45

It already happened, the dispute over the results of a football match led to a real war between Bolivia and Paraguay, it seems, in the 30s of the last century.

1969 - between El Salvador and Honduras. The last piston fighter war.
But the situation there was heating up for 10 years, so it could break out for any reason.

[tatarin1972]

Most likely it is not about football, they just decided which of them "pissing higher on the wall". It's a common thing in the army, to decide between the branches of the military who is stronger than an elephant or a hippo? Conscripts, in fact, children with already grown reproductive organs, are here and there.

[Old jew]

According to some reports, the conflict could have erupted on ethnic grounds.
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That confirms the thesis - a Jew is not a nationality, but a religion and a way of life.

[andreykolesov123]

Quote: Old Jew

nationality

The concept of "nationality" is generally vague. In the USSR / Russia means ethnicity, in the West, citizenship is nationality

[avib]

These are the Bedouin desert children trying to build out of themselves - like Caucasians in the Russian Army. They are still not scattered among the units, but serve together as a group. The Bedouins do not serve by conscription - voluntarily - therefore they are older than the Israelis-conscripts (Jews and Druze) and are strongly "plucked", because they think that if they voluntarily went to the army, everything should go to them.
The officers suffered when they tried to separate.
My son now serves in Givati, and my younger brother was an officer in Givati, at one time - the deputy commander of a company just for these Bedouins. It was 15 years ago, but I think not much has changed. This GADSAR (Bedouin battalion) is a purely "political" military unit - there is no particular military need for it, but from a political point of view, as if for the "infusion" of Bedouins, which are generally hostile to Israel, into Israeli society with the opportunity to advance normally after military service and in study and in work there is a place to be.
They mainly keep the border with the Gaza Strip. The warriors are desperate, but there are serious problems with discipline.

There is no hazing in the Israeli army in the Soviet / Russian sense of the word - all weapons will not be able to mock them. So what about the hazing all by.

[Livonetc]

Such manifestations are international.
They appear, most often, with direct connivance, or negligence towards the command service.
Weapons are not a hindrance to this.
Unfortunately, this sometimes happened even during the fighting.
The weapon only exacerbated the consequences.

[Glory1974]

There is no hazing in the Israeli army in the Soviet / Russian sense of the word - all weapons will not be able to mock them. So what about the hazing all by.

Non-regulation relationships are those that are not provided for by the charter. Therefore, everything about non-regulation is to the point.
It's another matter how they fight this, how systemic these incidents are.
There is certainly a non-statutory in our army, but I can hardly imagine that, for example, the Alpha and Typhoon special forces would fight at a sports festival.

[avib]

Quote: glory1974

There is certainly a non-statutory in our army, but I can hardly imagine that, for example, the Alpha and Typhoon special forces would fight at a sports festival.

Slava, these are recruits - a couple of months in the army. For 18 years - boys. One call. There were no "grandfathers" there. It's like a fight between the Dagestanis and the Russians in the Russian army. Exactly.

[teron]

These community groups are even worse than hazing and also "non-statutory".

[Piramidon]

Quote: avib

There is no hazing in the Israeli army in the Soviet / Russian sense of the word - all weapons will not be able to mock them. So what about the hazing all by.

Bullying is not just hazing.

[APASUS]

Their IDF was told: “This is an extraordinary and very serious incident that does not correspond to the values ​​of the army and the behavior required of the military.

It looks like the recruits have seriously clashed

[silverwolf88]

Well, this seems to happen in all armies of the world ... it all depends on the rigidity (cruelty) of discipline ... even the Chinese are far from mono-ethnic ... and during the war in Tibet, different things happened ...

[Babayka babaykin]

And who won?

[surf dude]

Journalists, they have something to write about;)

[voyaka uh]

Familiar ...
We also had conflicts with the Bedouins. But it never came to fights. The point is, they are trackers. They see at night as during the day. A sole pattern can be discerned on a bare stone, and at night! This is good, of course.
But they "turn up their nose" very much, often do not obey officers.
And during "combat situations" on patrols, we had a dual power between the patrol commander (junior officer or sergeant) and the Bedouin tracker. For example, you need to straighten-improve the line of fire. To do this, everyone should run back a few meters back. They do everything, but the tracker does not. As a result, he finds himself in the shooting sector of the others. And nobody can shoot.

[Pavlos Melas]

This fight is from a series of beat your own, strangers will be afraid.

[tralflot1832]

That is what makes the quarantine "life-giving", probably just for the razpolazhenie parts are not released!

[rotmistr60]

You might think that Israel is not subject to ethnic hatred. Something was not shared, word for word and away we go. No wonder they say that the Druze are a people who fights for any country where they live. And therefore, for mutual well-being, he can be kept at different bases?

[Eug]

What I can note is definitely positive - the situation has become known in the media, no one is trying to hide anything, for sure the results of the investigation and the degree of punishment will also become generally known. To paraphrase Zheglov, the observance of discipline and order should be ensured not so much by the absence of problems as by the ability (and the availability of funds and opportunities) of the authorities to uproot them ...

[Vitaly gusin]

Attention is drawn to the fact that among the victims of the fight there is also an officerЫ.
It draws attention to the fact that they write not the truth over and over again. Just a replacement for one letter, and already LYING
"Soldiers of the Bedouin patrol battalion attacked Givati ​​soldiers at the Givati ​​training base in Ketsiot today (Sunday).
In connection with this incident, medical assistance was provided to 21 soldiers.
Company commander from Givati ​​was also attacked during a fight between the parties.

The IDF said: “There was a violent fight between the soldiers of the two training companies at the Givati ​​Brigade's training base in the afternoon. Seven soldiers were slightly injured and were evacuated for hospital treatment. Fourteen other soldiers were brought to the base by medical personnel.

[askort154]

Dym71 ....They never sleep!

Sleep, sleep! Only they put the orderly - not at the "bedside table", but on the "couch".

[Krasnodar]

In my day, fights between different units of the Israeli army were routine. This was cultivated, especially between the infantry brigades - Desantuoa fought with Golani (attack aircraft), Givati ​​(very conditionally - the marines) with Nahal (also infantry). In principle, everyone underwent plus or minus the same training, while they wore berets of different colors and the shape of the landing party was slightly different. Therefore, competition was encouraged, up to "almost enmity". As soon as a fight broke out, weapons (in the IDF always on oneself) were folded into pyramids, a guard was put up, the crowd went on the crowd. If there were spontaneous fights, they could poke the flame arrester or hit with the butt. Shock grenades were sometimes used. Letekhi fought on a par with the rest, older ranks were pulled apart, sometimes))
Why did they suddenly pay attention to this? Most likely due to the ethnic component of the conflict. Just fight two companies - no one would have mentioned it anywhere

[askort154]

Krasnodar ...In my time, fights between different units of the Israeli army were routine. This was cultivated, especially between infantry brigades - Desantuoa fought Golani (stormtroopers),


Here is the first day of the "Israeli bedside table" on VO today - responded. He served in the veterinary battalion of the Israeli army. Then, for some reason, he returned to "wild Russia". I decided to "trade" apples. But, continues on the VO website, to defend the interests of not Russia, but Israel. Such people in Russia have always been called - "sent Cossack". “Krasnodar” - understand, this is not the “pocket”, here you are like naked in a bath. With your "Israeli-military patriotism", you will be better received on Ukrainian websites.

[Flurry]

Fights happened in the USSR Armed Forces even due to the antagonism of the types and types of troops (!) For example, air defense cadets fought with cadets of flight schools, etc.

[Operator]

Huh, "God's chosen" have reached the point of hazing - or else it will be, oh-oh-oh

[fn34440]

Sho makes life-giving marijuana, which is legal in Israel.
"Healing purposes" - do "tsimes".
I remembered the song: ", rich in plan, native country, native country ......."

[gorenina91]

- Problems everywhere ... - and in the Israeli army ... - too ...

[gorenina91]

the fight was provoked by the servicemen of a company of so-called desert scouts, where ethnic Druze serve, as well as Bedouins.

It is obvious that "ethnic Druze, as well as Bedouins" in the Israeli army ... is an "approximate analogue" of the Caucasians (Dagestanis, Ingush, Kabardians, etc.) in the Russian army ... - And then ... - already without comment. ..

[Goffman]

I don't know how in Tsakhal, but in the Hitler Youth, fights were unofficially welcomed. "... In our opinion, in the future a German young man should be ..." etc., I will not quote. But The Adventures of Werner Holt gives an idea.

[mmaxx]

That's really news! Good fellows had a fight! Have fun.
If you write such news about our army, then the entire site could be repaired. There would be enough material.

[Doliva63]

Quote: Mik13

Quote: Doliva63

And if by state - PC, for example? On leave with him too?

PKMSN - a dream)))

(Kalashnikov machine gun is a modernized easel night gun. It comes with a machine gun and a night sight NSPU or NSPUM. And belts in boxes for 200 rounds. A dream, not weapons. Especially on the march)

And most importantly - do not forget the spare barrel and a small convenient box for the NSPU

These are the ones we had, only without a machine. There one "night light" weighs for two