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The reasons for Russia's failure in space - the general state of the state

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The reasons for Russia's failure in space - the general state of the state"Another space failure hurts the country's prestige, with regret we have to admit that serial failures are becoming the rule. The reasons are in the general state of the state." REGNUM’s editor-in-chief, National Defense magazine Igor Korotchenko, commenting on the unsuccessful launch of the Proton-M rocket, which caused the loss of communications satellites Express-MD2 and Telkom-3, stated this.

“The space industry is a derivative branch of the situation in the country. Considering that things are not going well in a number of areas, all this affects the space industry,” said Korotchenko.

He believes that, due to failures, the financing of the industry will not be curtailed. “On the contrary, we see that more and more money is allocated to space programs every year. And this is absolutely correct. At the same time, it is clear that fundamental changes are needed in the management system of Roskosmos and the space industry in general” - said the expert.

“I believe that the measures taken by the new head of Roscosmos, Vladimir Popovkin, are absolutely correct. We need a decisive fight against corruption, precise control over financial resources, their direction for targeted spending. Most importantly, the industry needs to be restructured, creating large vertically integrated holding companies in the space industry system as it has already been done in the defense industry complex, "said Korotchenko.

In general, the expert believes, Russia retains a certain potential, "it is not lost." “In particular, the new leadership of Roskosmos is currently developing a program of promising space themes for the country up to 2030. Such programs as ensuring independent access of Russia to space from Russian spaceports are named as top priorities. Two Plesetsk cosmodromes will specialize in military programs, the Vostochny cosmodrome - on civilian programs. At the same time, it is necessary to move away from dependence on Kazakhstan, from Baikonur. Obviously, we will maintain our positions there only in terms of commercial launches, POSSIBILITY, manned space programs, but the rest should be transferred directly to us here, in Russia put forward in the program objectives Roscosmos -. flight to the moon, creating there a constant current lunar station with periodic visits by astronauts and other items - are quite realistic, "- said the expert.

“The most important thing is that we need a large-scale goal primarily for the country, if such a goal is formed for the country, of course, it will be formulated for the Russian space as well,” Korotchenko concluded.

As REGNUM has already reported, Russian Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev today, on August 9, stated at a government meeting that “it is impossible to tolerate further losses” that Russia bears in the space industry. "We are losing credibility and billions of rubles," he said.

According to him, next week there should be a meeting at which the responsible deputy prime minister should report "who to punish and what to do next."

Communication satellites - Express MD2 and Telkom-3 - were lost as a result of the unsuccessful launch of the Proton-M rocket, which could not put them into orbit. Roscosmos acknowledged that the spacecraft had now become space junk. The damage caused by the accident is estimated at about 6 billion rubles.

The media reported that layoffs are expected at the Khrunichev Center, where satellites were created.
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  1. alexng
    alexng 13 August 2012 06: 39
    +2
    Yes, it is high time to put things in order in the space industry, as in the time with the production of the "mace". Until the execution of the rocket was carried out with the engine manufacturers, the rocket fell all the time, and the rot was dispersed and everything fell into place. It's time to hold such an event at Roskosmos.
    1. John
      John 13 August 2012 06: 48
      +2
      Alexander, I agree with you. Only here my opinion about such articles is negative. This must be discussed by specialists in a narrow circle, because directly borders on state security.
      1. starshina78
        starshina78 13 August 2012 21: 07
        +3
        And where in Russia do you see the preservation of state secrets? In Russia, the commander of the ground forces and the chief of the General Staff can publicly declare the quality of our weapons and remain in positions and honor, in order to frighten the opposition so that it does not go to rallies, they decide to arrest scientists involved in the development weapons, and which were at a meeting on May 6 at Bolotnaya, in order not to be arrested, they ask for political asylum in Estonia and they are given, we can buy everything and everything with American money, because the authorities do not consider it necessary to pay scientists. What a state secret! We don’t have it.
        1. s1н7т
          s1н7т 14 August 2012 00: 24
          -2
          We have a state secret! You just don’t know her laughing
      2. s1н7т
        s1н7т 14 August 2012 00: 23
        +1
        We even have housing and communal services supervised by state security - also discuss in narrow circles ?! laughing
        Funny people are fond of Military Review!
    2. esaul
      esaul 13 August 2012 07: 02
      +2
      Quote: alexneg
      It's time to hold such an event in Roskosmos


      I agree with you, the same, Alexander. There are too many Augean stables in our kingdom-state. One was cleaned out, it's time, roll up your sleeves, to tackle the next one ... As the unforgettable hero of Pugovkin said in "Ivan Vasilyevich Changes His Profession" - "My Life ....!"
      1. Goga
        Goga 13 August 2012 08: 00
        +1
        esaul - Greetings, Valery! - Quote - "One has been cleaned out, it's time to roll up our sleeves and tackle the next ..." - it's good if the situation in the world and our "partners" will allow us to carry out the purges one by one, but there may not be time for this, and we will have to to clean "all at once", but such actions do not pass without "excesses", but I would not like ...
      2. Ascetic
        Ascetic 13 August 2012 22: 05
        +4
        Quote: esaul
        I agree with you, the same, Alexander. Too many Augean stables in our kingdom-state.


        The media reported that layoffs were expected at the Khrunichev Center, where satellites were created.


        Here is another example of the lack of professionalism of the media. On ZiH were created??? not satellites (more correctly, spacecraft) but the upper stage "Briz-M" Nesterov will probably be fired for this once, although for such things in the USSR they could have been imprisoned, and here is the third "jamb" in two years ... Although the leadership of Roskosmos with Popovkin during The chapter must be driven by a filthy broom. Judge for yourself .. In Roskosmos Management abolished which was engaged in launch vehicles and booster blocks, and now in preparation for launches the whole range of necessary activities is not carried out. Responsibility is "blurred", it is not easy to find the culprit in the event of an emergency.
        Once again we have to admit that thoughtless reformism and a reduction in the structures of technical control and acceptance for the sake of ephemeral optimization and cost savings effective managers leads to even more enormous losses.
        1. s1н7т
          s1н7т 14 August 2012 00: 26
          -2
          This is adequate, plus!
    3. s1н7т
      s1н7т 14 August 2012 00: 21
      +2
      Why don’t you suggest executing the execution in the country's leadership? There will be order in all sectors at once, and how many human lives we will save and money will save! laughing And everything will fall into place.
  2. Veter
    Veter 13 August 2012 06: 57
    +3
    new head of Roskosmos Vladimir Popovkin

    What is he new? Old already. Although ..... no, with the girls he lights up and fights like a kid, then he’s not yet old wink
  3. Goga
    Goga 13 August 2012 07: 54
    +3
    Rockets fell near Korolev himself, but these were newly developed models and no one had done anything like this before. And when missiles of the 70s development fall one after another - this is really a "call" and this situation cannot be corrected by layoffs. The government of the Russian Federation is full of "effective" managers and there is clearly a lack of "strong" business executives - our management firmly believes that financing decides everything - they gave money and that's all - we are waiting for the result, but the fact that for this result it is necessary to build a whole production system somehow not within their competence. It is easy to disassemble the Soviet system of space production as outdated - it is easy, but to create a new one - here organizational talent and technical abilities are needed no less than S.P. Koroleva, and we have Popovkin ... recourse
    1. Armata
      Armata 13 August 2012 08: 13
      +3
      Greetings Igor. In most statements, I agree, the management system we have built clumsily. Everything has been done in order to make it easier to steal a piece. But from talking with one of the representatives of the plant who works for the space program, I learned one very interesting thing. The average age of machine operators and assemblers at the 64 enterprise of the year and there is nowhere to take new ones !!!!! It’s worth considering, people are not eternal either.
      1. sergey32
        sergey32 13 August 2012 09: 12
        +3
        And so it is everywhere. Offices swell from lawyers and economists, arranged by blat. And there is nobody to stand behind the machine, one hope for pensioners.
        1. s1н7т
          s1н7т 14 August 2012 00: 31
          +1
          There is no hope for them. Well, another 8-10 years, and then what?
    2. s1н7т
      s1н7т 14 August 2012 00: 30
      0
      I almost agree. Adjusted for "gave money and that's it" - you forgot to add about kickbacks. Are they included in the sum or not? If not, then it is clear why they are falling. Or do you think they all live there for the salary?
    3. valokordin
      valokordin 14 August 2012 04: 20
      0
      I think that it was not without sabotage, but then where is the control? and here is probably a betrayal
  4. Forget
    Forget 13 August 2012 08: 17
    0
    I think, except for Russia, no one needs the Baikonur Cosmodrome anymore. I strongly doubt that Kazakhstan will start producing its own missiles, although I would surely be able (there would be a desire))))). But Makarevich was all right, there was too much corruption.
    1. slas
      slas 13 August 2012 08: 43
      +1
      Quote: Forget
      although I’m sure they could (there would be a desire)))))

      laughingCan you? Oh well
      1. Forget
        Forget 13 August 2012 09: 09
        0
        absolutely sure we can! all the raw materials are there, there are good engineers and scientists, there is no leading and directing force request
        1. Concept1
          Concept1 13 August 2012 09: 43
          +3
          The only country of the former USSR (Russia does not count) that can build missiles is Ukraine. And then in cooperation with Russia.
        2. slas
          slas 13 August 2012 10: 09
          +2
          Quote: Forget
          absolutely sure we can! all the raw materials are there, there are good engineers and scientists, there is no leading and directing force

          Don’t be offended, but raw materials are not enough for rocket science
          Quote: Forget
          no guiding and directing force

          But in this role, only specialists from Russia and the USA and a couple of other countries with less experience can play. China and that without the help (both official and stolen information) of the USSR and then Russia would still launch firecrackers
          1. Forget
            Forget 13 August 2012 10: 53
            +5
            not offended smile
            but I will share my experience as I mastered science. work came to me one day, it was necessary to deal with metals, knowledge at that time was very possible to say no. I took a textbook on metal science, and there you can’t do without heat engineering, I had to look for heat engineering, looked there and there we need knowledge of physics and, moreover, deep knowledge. Then I found a textbook on physics of Sivukhun for the Moscow Institute of Physics and Technology, although I had to sweat a great textbook, there was absolutely no one to help me, then I defeated heat engineering and in the course I gained deep knowledge in mathematics since there was simply nowhere to master mathematics, but it was already a matter of technology to master metal science . In short, if you want, you can build a rocket, and a laptop and fly to Mars. As one master Jackie Chan said: no one will help you if you yourself do not help.
            1. slas
              slas 13 August 2012 11: 01
              +1
              Quote: Forget
              nobody will help you if you do not help yourself.

              I agree Good luck)
            2. Armata
              Armata 13 August 2012 11: 08
              +2
              Quote: Forget
              but I will share my experience as I mastered science. work came to me one day, it was necessary to deal with metals, knowledge at that time was very possible to say no. I took a textbook on metal science, and there you can’t do without heat engineering,

              That is why in due time in the USSR all students received an academic education. Since any applied sciences are highly interconnected. And if we are talking about metal science, or rather material science, we forgot to mention that without knowledge of chemistry, sopromat, processing mechanics and kinematic properties of materials there is absolutely nothing to do there. That is why if Kazakhstan wants to build its own spacecraft, it will take a good ten years. And in addition, are there any enterprises in Kazakhstan where the machinery is equipped with precision machines and specialists who can work for them?
              1. Concept1
                Concept1 13 August 2012 11: 46
                0
                Everything has gone!
                Guys are good to even discuss a similar topic not seriously!
            3. s1н7т
              s1н7т 14 August 2012 00: 36
              0
              I agree with everything! And a cool nickname - It's funny, I have Transbaikalia at home for a long time called Through the Looking Glass laughing
          2. Sanches
            Sanches 13 August 2012 16: 15
            -1
            slas, Lakshmi Mittal may well make Baikonur a personal commercial spaceport
            1. lotus04
              lotus04 13 August 2012 20: 18
              0
              Quote: Sanches
              slas, Lakshmi Mittal may well make Baikonur a personal commercial spaceport


              Well, the flag in their hands!
        3. lotus04
          lotus04 13 August 2012 20: 14
          +2
          Quote: Forget
          absolutely sure we can! all the raw materials are there, there are good engineers and scientists, there is no leading and directing force


          Well, damn it!! I'm stupid! I think what is missing! Why do ships fall! Young highly skilled workers and engineers, along with young designers and scientists, walk in crowds around modern high-tech enterprises, equipped with the latest technology and with candles in their hands, looking for "guiding force", and at the same time corruption. But it turns out that we do not have enough LEADING POWER, which will show us where she is !!! This guiding force! And then the spaceships will stop falling! Factories and factories will start working! And there will come a dark day for the West. We'll fill up the entire market with cool products and knock them all off the prices and let them all over the world! Glory to Russia! Glory to the great Putin! Urrrrrryayaya!
  5. mind1954
    mind1954 13 August 2012 08: 23
    +2
    The people of the country have one goal, and private capital in the basic sectors,
    which owns power in the country, the goals are completely opposite !!!
    Therefore, in order for the goals of capital and people to coincide, at least in the sense of
    the existence of the country, it is necessary to eliminate private capital
    in the BASIC INDUSTRIES OF ECONOMY !!!
    Then it will be possible to talk about the NATIONAL IDEA - A COMMON DESTINY !!!
    After that, all issues will be resolved!
    1. valokordin
      valokordin 14 August 2012 04: 25
      0
      Everything is true Mind, the goals of the people and the elite do not coincide, and it does not support the goals financially.
  6. black cat
    black cat 13 August 2012 09: 53
    +2
    Quote: esaul
    Too many Augean stables in our kingdom-state. They cleaned one

    Well, which one was cleaned up? Is something not visible? Currently, even pumping money does not help. Because the control system does not work. The Kremlin is not able to trace even the path of the allocated money.
    Under the current leadership of the country, when even the Chinese appreciate engineers and the most intelligent Russian guys tend to go abroad, we should expect a worsening situation in the Russian space industry.
    1. s1н7т
      s1н7т 14 August 2012 00: 41
      0
      You, it seems to me, are wrong. How is it that the Kremlin can not trace the money, unless you "grease ..." and so on. They know everything perfectly. There, probably, even there are regulations - how many to whom. This is for us, the people, they make a helpless gesture. And what do the fleets of fishing vessels and palaces in Europe buy for? For a salary? laughing
  7. grizzlir
    grizzlir 13 August 2012 10: 41
    +4
    I won’t go far. Almost daily I go to work past the Tushino machine-building industry. One of the key factories in the creation of Buran and other space technology. So workers are not paid a third month for wages.
    1. s1н7т
      s1н7т 14 August 2012 00: 43
      +1
      Right now they’ll be minded - this can’t happen under Putin! We have an era of prosperity herelaughing
  8. andrei332809
    andrei332809 13 August 2012 11: 24
    +5
    I have written more than once that with the departure of customers, quality has rolled down rapidly.
    about the money, do not invest how much, there will be little sense. I will try to explain my thoughts.
    earlier as it was: the designer-itr-worker. everything was quickly worked out in series as well.
    and now the managers divorced with constantly growing salaries, which in positions turned out to be more important than the designers.
    the constructor complained somehow, they called him to the workshop (something they couldn’t do there) and they say: your drawing does not correspond to our detail.
    I neighing like a horse in front of a feeding trough for half a day

    and wanted to add.
    there were practically no technical schools left. At the beginning of 90x, everyone was re-qualified as a lyceum for the production of lawyers, economists and other worthless people. By the level of education, nobody needs them, but they grabbed the tops. Here and yell in the squares
    1. prispek
      prispek 13 August 2012 23: 40
      +1
      Quote: andrei332809
      and they say: your drawing does not correspond to our detail.

      I had a similar case. Only I am not a constructor and the look, respectively, from the other side.
      There is a floor in the workshop - an assembled unit the size of a truck. For further assembly, other drawings are needed (by the fact that everything has already been done in the workshop).
      Drawings are lowered from the bureau and I, taking the values ​​indicated there, measure them out from the base and see that the unit of half a meter has ended. And I need to drill holes in this place, screw and cotter the attachment.
      I go to the office and ask the engineer-technologist what to do. He, not understanding what the matter is, declares: "Can't you understand the drawing? Do it as in the drawing!" I go to the workshop and at the specified distance from the base I install the attachment ... on temporary stands, there is nothing to screw on.
      Then, with a clear conscience, I go to the master and in all seriousness I demand to close the outfit.
      Half a day, like a horse in front of a feeding trough, not only a master was laughing, but also half a workshop of locksmiths.
      And that was in 1988 at a defense enterprise.
      1. andrei332809
        andrei332809 13 August 2012 23: 47
        +1
        I am also a locksmith. and there are no cases of any wagon, no, a big cart. I’ll tell you three years later
        1. prispek
          prispek 14 August 2012 01: 12
          0
          Quote: andrei332809
          I’ll tell you in three years

          My subscription is long over. If you do not go into details, then for three years at the factory neighing (it was neighing, not laughing) more than for the rest of his life. Circus, theater, cinema and TV will smoke on the sidelines ... laughing
          Oh, the golden time was ... Yes, we did not know then ....
  9. Apollo
    Apollo 13 August 2012 12: 09
    +7
    I carefully read the IMF, what I say may not be pleasant to someone, but everyone has the right to express their thoughts.

    I often draw parallels between Russia and the USSR. So in the days of the USSR there were failures but not to such an extent and not on such a scale - this is the first second.
    For some reason, we always forget to draw an analogy, but it is appropriate here in the sense that arms race continues and Russia simply does not have the right to miss the initiative.

    I remember one IMF from a correspondent’s conversation with the General of the United States

    correspondent, is the United States likely to attack the USSR in the foreseeable future?
    general, but on condition if we are sure at 100% that we surpass the USSR.
    Conclusions leave at your discretion
    1. andrei332809
      andrei332809 13 August 2012 12: 52
      +5
      old designers told how the Soviet Union developed and carried out orders of the Politburo.
      they came up with a great plane or missile, then the thought came up, and suddenly the enemy came up with a similar one. here is an order for the development of promotion systems. made a defense, and suddenly the enemy also came up with an order to overcome the defense.
      and so on in a circle. therefore, the weapons systems of the USSR stepped forward for years and even decades. now we mainly use the backlog created during the USSR. Glory to the USSR!
      1. lotus04
        lotus04 13 August 2012 20: 22
        +2
        Quote: andrei332809
        The USSR’s weapons systems were stepping forward for years and even tens of years. Now we mainly use the backlog created during the USSR. Glory to the USSR!


        Gold words!!! +
        1. andrei332809
          andrei332809 13 August 2012 20: 25
          +1
          Thanks for your kind words
      2. s1н7т
        s1н7т 14 August 2012 00: 49
        0
        Glory to the Union!
      3. Cosmos-1869
        Cosmos-1869 16 August 2012 19: 27
        0
        There were Ustinov in the USSR, there was Rudnev, there was Afanasyev, there were other Titans. People with state (rather than local) thinking.
        Now there are not enough of these, space industry leaders are thinking about their own pockets.
        At my enterprise, one building is completely rented out to commercial structures; a restaurant, a casino and a hotel have been created on the site of the institute's canteen. And on the site of the projected (in the late 80s) test station, an exhibition complex was built.
        It, of course, is a lot of money and the management of the enterprise is not in the loser, but almost nothing (and nobody) is left from the specialized topics.
        "Old men, fools and students" (c), as one colleague put it.
    2. s1н7т
      s1н7т 14 August 2012 00: 48
      +1
      Well yes. They did not dare to the Union. Because they could not surpass. But there is no Union, everything is collapsed in the Russian Federation - it would be time, it would seem. Why not attack? Yes, because they have already attacked and have already won. But they don’t tell us that - so that they won’t beg for US citizens, probably laughing
  10. lelikas
    lelikas 13 August 2012 12: 11
    +2
    The state is to blame for everything - OLOLOLO (sorry, could not resist)
    The cost of Proton-M for 10 years has grown 5 times.
    The Khrunichev Center seems to be like a state office, but at the same time it owns a lot of enterprises (in whole or in a controlling stake)
    They have their own program for training young professionals and more.
    However, it is worth going into the department that is required - and there ridiculous salaries of -15-17 tr. For generally not the latest specialists.
  11. sapulid
    sapulid 13 August 2012 12: 53
    +2
    Damn, Hochma !!! They steal, they are incompetent, and the general state of the country is to blame! Cool excuse!
  12. selbrat
    selbrat 13 August 2012 12: 57
    +2
    There is nothing eternal. How much can one travel to the Soviet backlog. This applies not only to the space industry, but to the entire industry of the country as a whole.
    1. s1н7т
      s1н7т 14 August 2012 00: 51
      0
      I would also add the country itself
  13. vadimN
    vadimN 13 August 2012 14: 05
    +3
    To blame everything on the "general situation in the country" is a very convenient formula for officials of all kinds and sizes who are accustomed to irresponsibility and do not want to take on the work and responsibility for the assigned task.
    Do not retire, but put a dozen revolutions in 15-20 for years - and everything will be fine!
    ... Stalin is not on them ....
    1. andrei332809
      andrei332809 13 August 2012 14: 20
      +1
      plant a little. must still complete confiscation, and among relatives including
    2. bistrov.
      bistrov. 13 August 2012 17: 50
      +3
      Quote: vadimN
      ... Stalin is not on them ....

      I completely agree, yes, at that time there were some "excesses", but basically the system created by Stalin and his associates brought up a high sense of responsibility for the assigned task. Therefore, the "Stalinist" skyscrapers are unshakable, we still admire the administrative buildings, department stores, houses of culture, built under "him" in every regional and regional center, Zil-157, released under "him" and standing in the arsenal for 30 years , started up with half a turn, with him nuclear weapons, missiles, etc. were created. The system he had developed, by inertia, operated until the 70s, then gradually forgotten.
    3. staser
      staser 14 August 2012 00: 46
      +1
      I agree. There can be only two directions:
      "Irresponsibility of officials -> Russia's failures in space"
      or
      "The irresponsibility of officials -> The general situation in the country -> Russia's failures in space"
      how uncool =)
    4. s1н7т
      s1н7т 14 August 2012 00: 52
      0
      And who will plant something? Naive, however.
  14. Rossmk
    Rossmk 13 August 2012 17: 31
    0
    Exactly. It’s time to take hold of space already.
  15. Mikhail m
    Mikhail m 13 August 2012 19: 29
    +3
    In Soviet times, a system of military acceptance, independent of the enterprise, worked, which monitored compliance with technology and product quality, starting with raw materials. Now the system is completely destroyed under the guidance of guess who. So we are present only at the beginning of the collapse. Ahead are the sinking ships and submarines, the falling planes, the bursting machine guns, the sprawling uniforms and many more charms of life.
    1. s1н7т
      s1н7т 14 August 2012 00: 53
      +1
      They won’t believe you - they have Putin's heyday laughing
  16. sprut
    sprut 13 August 2012 20: 36
    +1
    I myself would fly into space! I have been dreaming since childhood!
    1. s1н7т
      s1н7т 14 August 2012 00: 56
      +1
      I would also. But in the same ship with Putin, when there will be at least 3 years before the end of his term laughing
  17. prispek
    prispek 14 August 2012 00: 05
    +2
    I understand that this is the same expert Korotchenko in the photo? So it means "derivative from the situation in the country" And why, in this case, his suit, shirt, tie, and I think that the watch, shoes and the car, too, are not derived from the situation in the country?
    These defective managers, who have nothing but dough in their heads, do not want to answer for anything and blame either on the general situation, or on the past devastation (this is generally to Professor Preobrazhensky), then on the mentality of the population, now on the fifth column, then on uncle Vasya, who did not screw the bolt.
    At the same time, they themselves reduce costs for everything and everything and raise their salaries and bonuses.
    When an emergency occurs, they yell about a lack of funding. Having received it, they saw and unfasten whom it should be. And so on until the next state of emergency. Further in a circle.
    1. Sanches
      Sanches 14 August 2012 07: 30
      +1
      each manager faces a difficult choice - send money to business or to your pocket laughing
  18. bairat
    bairat 14 August 2012 13: 45
    0
    ................
  19. Sasha 19871987
    Sasha 19871987 18 September 2012 10: 53
    0
    yes, the old system has been poached. there is no new one yet ... old specialists are dying, new no-system error at the state level ...