Military Review

Elon Musk proposes to replace the US Air Force transport aircraft with missiles

149

The American military, together with Elon Musk, are developing a rocket capable of moving at a speed of 7,5 thousand miles per hour (more than 12 thousand km / h), as well as sending 80 tons of cargo into space and landing it anywhere in the world in about an hour.


The head of the US Transportation Command, General Stephen Lyons, said that contracts were signed with SpaceX, which provide for a technical and cost estimate of the issue. Musk's proposal to replace classic transport aircraft with special missiles came.

The newspaper The Sunday Times writes about this.

Texas-based aerospace firm XArc has also signed a contract to join the exploration program.

The first tests proving the fundamental possibility of this method of cargo delivery are expected next year.

It is assumed that the rocket flight from Cape Canaveral to the Bagram airbase in Afghanistan, located at a distance of more than 7 thousand miles (more than 11 thousand km) from the cosmodrome, can be completed in about an hour. The US military transport aircraft C-17 Globemaster, which has a top speed of 590 mph (about 950 km / h), will take about 15 hours to do this.

Vice Admiral Dee Mewborn, Deputy Commander of Transportation, calls the project "one of the greatest transportation revolutions since the advent of aircraft."

It is not reported how much such a delivery will cost, and whether the "cargo" rocket will be reusable, nor is it reported about its probable parameters at the final stage of the flight.
Photos used:
https://twitter.com/elonmusk
149 comments
Information
Dear reader, to leave comments on the publication, you must to register.

I have an account? Sign in

  1. Reserve buildbat
    Reserve buildbat 11 October 2020 12: 54
    +7
    Oh, how ... Khrushchev's business lives on and wins. Does Saint-Mask promise to launch rockets like sausages there?
    1. PSih2097
      PSih2097 11 October 2020 12: 58
      +2
      Quote: Stroibat stock
      Oh, how ... Khrushchev's business lives on and wins.

      Yes, even under Stalin / Beria it would have been like that, there would have been no excesses from "Khrushch" ...
      1. 3danimal
        3danimal 11 October 2020 19: 15
        -7
        What about the kinks from a former bank robber?
    2. nnm
      nnm 11 October 2020 12: 59
      +3
      Yes, how many budget billions, technologies, assets have been poured into this Mask! And more and more new projects.
      It’s even interesting how all this will end up - a bubble like MMM or more and more budget spending.
      1. Dude
        Dude 11 October 2020 14: 24
        0
        Nothing special, Ilonka is just PR wink
        1. imobile2008
          imobile2008 11 October 2020 16: 37
          -3
          Quote: Dude
          , Ilonka is just PR

          Musk is responsible for his words, but our slime with his trampoline is not very good. The fact that he licks the ass of the right people, ships do not fly
          1. 3danimal
            3danimal 11 October 2020 19: 27
            +1
            But he is given huge budgets and a considerable salary (more than the director of NASA). Life and career are good for a person smile
          2. Egor53
            Egor53 12 October 2020 14: 38
            +2
            "Musk is responsible for his words ..." imobile2008
            This is when Musk was responsible for his words?
            Musk and Mavrodi are just twins. Only Mavrodi, unlike Musk, worked without government support.
            The idea of ​​using a hypersonic missile as a vehicle is a nonsense. Even if such a rocket transports drugs, then it will not pay off.
            By the way, the main commodity that the United States carries from Afghanistan is heroin.
        2. Trotil42
          Trotil42 12 October 2020 14: 11
          -1
          Quote: Dude
          Nothing special, Ilonka is just PR wink

          Rogozin said the same ... he masters the trampoline himself ...
      2. imobile2008
        imobile2008 11 October 2020 16: 43
        -5
        how many budget billions in this Mask
        Well, in more detail? Musk did not even receive a tenth of Roscosmos. Ships for millions !!! not billions !!! builds We only have a Soviet drawing and it costs several billions to wipe the dust! And there is a queue to Musk, everything flies with him and is several times cheaper, but we cannot even make a rocket. Musk for little money and several years built a super-modern space industry, for 30 years and multi-billion dollar infusions, only degradation
        1. vargo
          vargo 11 October 2020 23: 41
          +2
          God, how much hurry, but no good. Well, for every sneeze, it makes no sense to argue, by the year of birth, it seems that you are not very interested in details, but forgive me for "30 years" I can't help but say ... 25 years ago, try to tell us that we need to pour into space, and I I think a lot of hungry citizens will simply not leave you a living place.
          30 years ... And it's so easy to throw on your fingers, and at least one of these overheated minds looked into what was there in those 30 years of "happiness and prosperity" in comparison with the "poverty-stricken" West and the USA. ohh ...
          1. imobile2008
            imobile2008 12 October 2020 08: 18
            -4
            And how many hungry Americans have invested in space? In the ships of the Mask 0! He builds not earned money, ala a hobby. He proved that he knows how to do business and builds. The FSB has bent over the entire business in our country, we won't have anything. I even know one, I tried to build domestic software. The FSB came to him, but this is not according to the law and this, he dumped a huge amount once, like nothing. Then another. And already there is nothing to pay people, now he is practically broke. And let the figure do not confuse, this is not age. Since the times of the USSR, I have been worried about our lag in space. Since the time we lost the race to the moon, I hoped we would win, and then everyone lost.
          2. Letun
            Letun 12 October 2020 14: 42
            0
            Quote: vargo
            25 years ago, try to tell us that we need to pour into space, and I think a lot of hungry citizens will simply not leave a living place for you.

            25 years ago, we flew our own space station, on which we rode the Americans. And I honestly, I don’t remember that people were indignant then at the “squandering” of money for space.
      3. 3danimal
        3danimal 11 October 2020 19: 16
        +2
        And you do not ask about rumors, but the real history of the company. (I understand that rumors are easier, but still ..)
      4. Trotil42
        Trotil42 12 October 2020 14: 17
        +1
        Quote: nnm
        Yes, how many budget billions, technologies, assets have been poured into this Mask! And more and more new projects.
        It’s even interesting how all this will end up - a bubble like MMM or more and more budget spending.

        For a manned spacecraft for the delivery of people to the ISS..0.4 billion. dollars ... as much as the Americans paid ROSSKOSMOS per year .. google to help ..
      5. mikstepanenko
        mikstepanenko 12 October 2020 15: 39
        +1
        The more billions they pour into such projects, the less they will do anything really dangerous. So any such project is welcome.
    3. smart ass
      smart ass 11 October 2020 13: 39
      +3
      If the guys print money and cannot come up with such a thing
    4. Civil
      Civil 11 October 2020 15: 37
      -3
      There is no Mask, there is only Rogozin! Everything about American astronautics is propaganda, and Rogozin is almost on the moon. Venus and Snickers!
      1. 3danimal
        3danimal 11 October 2020 19: 31
        -2
        I think when it becomes clear that our base on the Moon has failed, Rogozin should be told that this is no longer important, because "very soon" we will build an outpost on one of the planets of Alpha Centauri wink (and after - in the Andromeda Nebula smile )
    5. 3danimal
      3danimal 11 October 2020 19: 14
      -6
      Produces commercial launches "like sausages". A lot, cheap, with a very low accident rate.
    6. yehat2
      yehat2 12 October 2020 13: 29
      +1
      but they already look like sausages
  2. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 11 October 2020 12: 56
    +6
    Well ka, fanatics of "Saint Mask", comment on this nonsense? Yes, where's the Hyperloop? tongue
    1. RealPilot
      RealPilot 11 October 2020 13: 09
      +6
      Colleagues, this has already happened in history!

      Let's think about mail rockets.
      Unsuccessful in general because of the dorgue, low accuracy and technical complexity at the previous technological level. Plus, transport planes turned out to be more efficient, they are able to take mail back and forth, and many times ...

      This topic is nowhere near as new as Musk fantasizes about it. But he is still a skillful person to embellish the old and pass off as his new.

      At the same time, the greatest success was again ... The Russians bully The only example space mail.

      Example of an article on the topic:

      https://m.habr.com/ru/post/407985/
      1. The eye of the crying
        The eye of the crying 11 October 2020 14: 05
        -1
        Quote: RealPilot
        And the biggest success was again ... The Russians bully The only example of space mail.


        "This month will be the anniversary of an almost forgotten event - on November 16, 1992, the apparatus of the Europe-America 22 goodwill mission started and landed on November 500"

        6 days. So-so mail.
      2. orionvitt
        orionvitt 11 October 2020 14: 44
        -3
        Quote: RealPilot
        low accuracy and technical complexity at the previous technological level

        You might think that the technological level has changed. Yes, in the field of information technology, there are gigantic achievements, but in rocketry, nothing new. Slightly modified, somewhat improved, but in principle, the same as at the dawn of the space age.
        1. 3danimal
          3danimal 11 October 2020 19: 24
          -1
          Less accidents, more advanced engines.
          It became possible to land rocket stages. The cost of launching the cargo into orbit has decreased several times.
    2. smart ass
      smart ass 11 October 2020 13: 39
      -1
      The mask that Roskosmos bent down?
      1. strelokmira
        strelokmira 11 October 2020 15: 16
        0
        The mask that Roskosmos bent down?

        This is when Rogozin made and launched a reusable rocket with a ship, and Musk did not believe everything he said about trampolines wassat
        1. vargo
          vargo 11 October 2020 23: 47
          +2
          About trampolines, only Musk fans kept repeating. Rogozin voiced this only once, and then in the context of an incomprehensible US policy, when they imposed sanctions against Roscosmos despite the fact that the rockets themselves had not yet been launched to the ISS. Indeed, the question about trampolines was, while never before and not at all for fun. Rather, indignation and surprise reigned then. But Musk's lovers picked up the topic for a moment without thinking (which happens often) about the origin of these words and, like parrots, let's shove our trampoline everywhere.
    3. Vadim237
      Vadim237 11 October 2020 22: 18
      +2
      We are waiting for the 15 km flight of SN8 Starship.
  3. Deniska999
    Deniska999 11 October 2020 12: 56
    -1
    The future is near.
    1. Fedor egoist
      Fedor egoist 11 October 2020 13: 21
      -2
      This "project" has nothing to do with the future. Another attempt to hype and monetize your reputation, as in the case of Starship.
      Quote: voyaka uh
      Reusable - yes, sure. Start-up will still be very expensive. But if the load is very important, it will pay off.

      The cost of delivery will exceed the traditional one, not even several times, but in orders. An important and valuable cargo cannot be sent in this way - there are great risks. Not important, but urgent cargo - hypothetically possible, but such urgency usually means the failure of the logistics service, because everything must be sent in advance. And the question of price is becoming key. 80 tons is nothing at all. For one flight, a cargo plane will bring ten times more.
      Quote: A. Privalov
      So why can't the rocket deliver cargo from the US to Afghanistan?

      Expensive, you can't send people, and a one-way flight. Collecting the carrier and preparing the launch back to the States in Afghan conditions is from the realm of unscientific fiction)
      1. Lannan Shi
        Lannan Shi 11 October 2020 13: 26
        20
        Quote: Fedor Egoist
        80 tons is nothing at all. For one flight, a cargo plane will bring ten times more.

        Does it make it difficult to clarify which plane delivers 1 tons per flight? fool
        1. Fedor egoist
          Fedor egoist 11 October 2020 14: 27
          -2
          I agree with the amendment. Confused maximum takeoff weight and cargo weight. Let it be 150-200 tons. This does not fundamentally change the essence of the phrase.
          1. Lannan Shi
            Lannan Shi 11 October 2020 15: 06
            +8
            Quote: Fedor Egoist
            Let it be 150-200 tons. This does not fundamentally change the essence of the phrase.

            Let it be 70-80 tons, like the s-17, and not 150, like the mriya, which is still a single copy. Huh?
            And the essence of the phrase is what? Expensive? Well, I dare to assure you. Air travel is also expensive. And even very expensive. Is it cheap? Cheap is a barge on the river. It is also cheap on a dry cargo ship, economically running at a speed of 200-300 miles a day. Attach a caravan of a dozen platforms to a tractor and drive it at 10 km / h, if there is no railway nearby, it's cheap again. However ... However, we do not go on vacation on camels, right? And we also carry cargo by air. Although yes, it's expensive. Will the mask have a reliable and serious offer? There will be a niche of its own. The size of this niche, yes, that is the question. And what will happen is no options.
            1. Fedor egoist
              Fedor egoist 11 October 2020 16: 25
              0
              Quote: Lannan Shi
              Air travel is also expensive. And even very expensive.

              Yes. It is expensive and inconvenient to supply a military grouping exclusively by air. And not all loads can be thrown like this, nevertheless there are serious restrictions on weight and dimensions. Therefore, the logistics are built this way only if there are no other options. By default, the expeditionary force is supplied by sea.
              Quote: Lannan Shi
              Will the mask have a reliable and serious offer? There will be a niche of its own.

              While this is so frivolous that it would not be worth vocalizing. That is, if we take out of the brackets the question of launching ICBMs, the launch of which must be carefully coordinated with at least the Russian Federation and China.
              In general, Musk should be easier / more reliable / cheaper than a cargo transport. At least two points out of three. Then we can talk about seriousness.
      2. The eye of the crying
        The eye of the crying 11 October 2020 14: 02
        +1
        Quote: Fedor Egoist
        you can't send people


        Why?
        1. Polymer
          Polymer 11 October 2020 21: 06
          0
          Quote: Eye of the Crying
          Quote: Fedor Egoist
          you can't send people


          Why?

          Really! Load up a battalion of marines and fire them up, uh ... well, to Bagram - so to Bagram.
          The sky is dancing under your feet.
          The sky smells like boots ...

          Good idea, I like it!
          By the way, the penultimate news about Musk was about how he blew up the fuel tank, I guess? I'm starting to understand what he's driving at ... laughing
          1. The eye of the crying
            The eye of the crying 11 October 2020 21: 29
            +2
            Why this clownery?
      3. eklmn
        eklmn 11 October 2020 19: 15
        +1
        "... Not important, but urgent cargo - hypothetically possible, but such urgency usually means the failure of the logistics service, because everything must be sent in advance."
        First, about the price. The general's quote was not included in this article, but is in the original:
        “There is a lot of potential here,” Lyons said. He noted that one of The problem of military logistics is the "tyranny of distance and time and global access." [b]
        Therefore, we will not stand for the price ...!
        Now about "... everything should be sent in advance."
        USTRANSCOM is a military transport company, but it is subordinate to the government too. If there are environmental / humanitarian disasters, this office delivers food and rescue teams to the disaster sites free of charge.
        In the 90s, Operation Give Hope was carried out - a humanitarian aid carried out by the US Air Force to supply medical equipment to the former Soviet republics during their transition to capitalism. The operation was announced by Secretary of State James A. Baker III on January 22-23, 1992, and the first shipment was shipped on February 10, 1992. Sixty-five C-5 and C-141 missions delivered 2363 tons of food and medical supplies to 24 point of the Commonwealth of Independent States after the collapse of the USSR.
        [b] For nearly two weeks, the US Air Force C-5A and C-141 planes delivered several hundred tons of food, medicine and emergency medical supplies to all twelve newly independent states of the former Soviet Union, not only to every capital, but to a few outlying cities, especially across Russia. Shortly before delivery, small teams of US personnel from various government agencies (Field Inspection Agency, USAID, and USDA) were deployed to each destination to coordinate with local authorities and ensure that shipments reached their destination as closely as possible. intended recipients (eg, orphanages, hospitals, canteens and low-income families). ”
  4. PSih2097
    PSih2097 11 October 2020 12: 56
    +9
    Elon Musk proposes to replace the US Air Force transport aircraft with missiles

    And what about shuttles, they land on airfields ...
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 11 October 2020 16: 54
      +2
      SpaceX believes that landing on its own exhaust is easier than landing like an airplane.
      Minus landing on exhaust - additional 10% of fuel.
      Plus landing on the exhaust - the rocket does not overheat. No special heat-resistant materials are needed.
      And you don't need a long landing strip, just a concrete platform (or a piece of barge deck).
      1. PSih2097
        PSih2097 11 October 2020 18: 39
        +1
        Alexey, this is all clear, but where will they sit? 200/300/400 km from the front? for they will be seated closer.
        1. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 11 October 2020 18: 45
          +3
          It's right. But Musk is interested in implementing the concept itself.
          And apply it later in the civilian sphere.
          And they will not shoot down - this is a headache for the generals, not for the project executor. fellow
        2. 3danimal
          3danimal 11 October 2020 19: 19
          0
          With regard to the C-17, there are much more opportunities for landing.
      2. Sanichsan
        Sanichsan 11 October 2020 23: 08
        +1
        Quote: voyaka uh
        Minus landing on exhaust - additional 10% of fuel.
        Plus landing on the exhaust - the rocket does not overheat. No special heat-resistant materials are needed.

        you are wrong. heat-resistant materials are not needed due to the fact that the steps that go to land do not take off to such a height that heat-resistant materials are required for landing, regardless of whether it is on the exhaust or on the runway.
        so just extra, not 10%, but 20%. request no profit. yes
    2. Egor53
      Egor53 12 October 2020 14: 40
      0
      Shuttles land on airfields ... only they cannot take off from them.
  5. Knell wardenheart
    Knell wardenheart 11 October 2020 12: 59
    +8
    Everything depends on the price - and most likely it will result in a simple and logical conclusion - than to transport people and equipment with such missiles, it is easier to deliver powerful conventional weapons or conventionally armed self-guided warheads to the same target. Therefore, the idea resembles a poorly disguised lime tree / or an element of money laundering.
  6. OgnennyiKotik
    OgnennyiKotik 11 October 2020 13: 01
    +5
    It is assumed that the rocket flight from Cape Canaveral to the Bagram airbase in Afghanistan, located at a distance of more than 7 thousand miles (more than 11 thousand km) from the cosmodrome, can be completed in about an hour.

    Well, that the era of space marines is starting soon, you need to choose a battle cry:
    "Into the flames of battle, on the anvil of war!"
    "No mercy! No mercy! No fear!"
    "For the Drona! For the Emperor and for freedom!"
    1. PSih2097
      PSih2097 11 October 2020 18: 50
      +1
      Yeah ... For the Emperor and the Imperium of Humanity ...
      1. OgnennyiKotik
        OgnennyiKotik 11 October 2020 19: 02
        -3
        By the way, foreign resources already have images of the lander proposed by Musk. During landing in the mountains of Afghanistan.

      2. The eye of the crying
        The eye of the crying 11 October 2020 21: 35
        0
        Why do they repeat a couple of the same phrases all the time - they just can't remember?
    2. Polymer
      Polymer 11 October 2020 20: 51
      0
      This article reminded me of another story, for some reason:
  7. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 11 October 2020 13: 01
    0
    Reusable - yes, sure. Start-up will still be very expensive. But if the load is very important, it will pay off.
    1. loki565
      loki565 11 October 2020 13: 32
      +8
      How expensive should the cargo be? Then you can send the cargo with ballistic missiles, and land on the parachute system. Why not, 15 minutes and on the other side of the planet they already meet parcels)))
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 11 October 2020 13: 58
        -2
        Musk is planning an easy thing:
        two (or more) offshore spaceports.
        One near the States, one near Australia. And two returnable first steps: here and there. And two cargo pods. And back and forth.
        The initial contribution is great. And then - like air transportation.
        1. loki565
          loki565 11 October 2020 14: 05
          +5
          The cost of cargo delivery will be comparable to the launch of the satellite, plus the complexity of the service. The only advantage is speed, that's just why you need it at such a cost. As Concorde has shown, economy is more important than speed.
          1. orionvitt
            orionvitt 11 October 2020 14: 56
            0
            Quote: loki565
            As Concorde showed, economy is more important than speed

            A show-off beat? laughing Some, for example, still deliver drugs and weapons in caravans through the mountains on donkeys. Though slow, the delivery guarantee is one hundred percent. And in figs they are those rockets, the main thing is to feed the donkeys in time. laughing
          2. eklmn
            eklmn 11 October 2020 19: 20
            0
            This quote from the amersky general did not make it into the text of the article above, which is a pity - it is in the original:
            “There is a lot of potential here,” Lyons said. He noted that one of the problems of military logistics is the "tyranny of distance and time and global access."
      2. Hypertension
        Hypertension 11 October 2020 14: 03
        0
        Quote: loki565
        Then you can send the cargo with ballistic missiles, and land on the parachute system. Why not, 15 minutes and on the other side of the planet they already meet parcels)))

        Post of Russia:
    2. poquello
      poquello 11 October 2020 13: 53
      +5
      Quote: voyaka uh
      Reusable - yes, sure.

      and how reusable will be delivered back? or like the spaceport in Bagram, the New Vasyuki project?
      1. RealPilot
        RealPilot 11 October 2020 14: 24
        +2
        Yes, Sir! New vasyuki soldier
  8. Voyager
    Voyager 11 October 2020 13: 02
    +8
    But the S-500 operators will not have to play around and wait for days. I did the job in an hour and went to lunch.
  9. SVD68
    SVD68 11 October 2020 13: 02
    15
    A rocket takes off from Cape Canaveral to Bagram. And in response, the Voivods, Poplars and Yars take off.
  10. A. Privalov
    A. Privalov 11 October 2020 13: 02
    -3
    Somewhere in the year 60, my parents and I were vacationing in a sanatorium in Moldova. I remember very well that we were taken on an excursion to Chisinau. And then freight trams went around the city. So why can't the rocket deliver cargo from the US to Afghanistan?
    1. Thunderbringer
      Thunderbringer 11 October 2020 14: 06
      +2
      And the traffic light is like that - red, yellow, green.
    2. Polymer
      Polymer 11 October 2020 20: 00
      +2
      It's somehow difficult to grasp the connection between the rocket and the tram. request
      1. aszzz888
        aszzz888 12 October 2020 02: 10
        -3

        Polymer (Sergey S.)
        Yesterday, 20: 00
        NEW

        +1
        It's somehow difficult to grasp the connection between the rocket and the tram. request
        I, too, can hardly grasp any relationship in the imperishable example from
        ... Privalov (Alexander Privalov)
        Yesterday, 13: 02

        , or does he lack big fantasies? wink my post is below.
    3. aszzz888
      aszzz888 12 October 2020 02: 08
      -3

      A. Privalov (Alexander Privalov)
      Yesterday, 13: 02
      NEW
      -4
      Somewhere in the year 60, my parents and I were vacationing in a sanatorium in Moldova. I remember very well that we were taken on an excursion to Chisinau. And then freight trams went around the city. So why can't the rocket deliver cargo from the US to Afghanistan??
      Masterpiece !!!! laughing laughing tongue laughing Maybe even compare the donkey and some, for example, C-130F? AND cho, also one on the ground, the other on the air! lol
      What does this have to do with trams and rockets ?! laughing wassat laughing
  11. Observer2014
    Observer2014 11 October 2020 13: 04
    +1
    Well, I laugh myself at the ideas of the Mask, I admit yesNow I take his ideas seriously, but why not? And not only that, remember the US Air Force, like a couple of years ago, a competition announced about helping a pilot anywhere in the world within an hour! Well, he is the winner.
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 11 October 2020 14: 02
      +3
      The Pentagon used to despise Musk (approximately, as here on VO smile ), and now the generals are queuing up to his office: "please do us this, do us this ..."
      And he can send them: "You go ... to the Boeing." laughing am
      1. Thunderbringer
        Thunderbringer 11 October 2020 14: 08
        +4
        Can send, not send.
        Big soul man.
        You go .... to the Mask.
      2. loki565
        loki565 11 October 2020 14: 09
        +4
        The Pentagon used to despise Musk (roughly, like here on VO smile), but now the generals are queuing up in his office: "please do us this, do us this ..."
        And he can send them: "You go ... to the Boeing."

        It's funny, considering that he is a project for the partial privatization of NASA)))
        1. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 11 October 2020 14: 16
          +1
          NASA The mask is getting in the way. Gave him a spoke in his entire career. But now it has also calmed down, like the generals.
          Musk is building his private spaceport in Texas, and soon he will no longer need the NASA sites in Florida.
          It has a full cycle for space exploration: a rocket plant, a satellite plant, laboratories and (soon) its own spaceports.
          1. loki565
            loki565 11 October 2020 14: 21
            +3
            Yes, this is an old song, it got in the way that gave the launching tables. They needed the opportunity to work out government orders through a private contractor, and a new one.
            1. voyaka uh
              voyaka uh 11 October 2020 14: 31
              +5
              Musk has sued both the Pentagon and NASA several times. And he achieved with a fight equal rights in tenders against Boeing-Lockheed.
              You are very prejudiced against him. Meanwhile, he is a copy of Henry Ford in terms of efficiency and passion for his work. As he wrote: his favorite, albeit nervous, job is to organize the mass production of complex products. Organize assembly plants. Musk is a strong industrialist.
              1. Sanichsan
                Sanichsan 11 October 2020 23: 13
                +1
                Quote: voyaka uh
                Meanwhile, he is a copy of Henry Ford

                is also a fascist? belay
                1. voyaka uh
                  voyaka uh 11 October 2020 23: 20
                  0
                  No, there is no coincidence in this. smile
                  But Henry Ford, aside from his anti-Semitic and Nazi quirks,
                  still transformed the industry (mechanical engineering) at the beginning of the 20th century.
                  And Musk is transforming mechanical engineering in the early 21st century.
                  For example, his new Gigafactory in Germany is unique.
                  It has fundamentally new assembly methods. Not just robots
                  and all sorts of newest patents. And Musk with his factories more
                  proud than the Falcons.
                  1. Sanichsan
                    Sanichsan 11 October 2020 23: 31
                    +1
                    Quote: voyaka uh
                    But Henry Ford, aside from his anti-Semitic and Nazi quirks,
                    still transformed the industry (mechanical engineering) at the beginning of the 20th century.

                    Well, at least I attribute the conveyor to him. in squeezing the maximum out of the workforce, he reached heights and this was in harmony with his quirks wink
                    Quote: voyaka uh
                    And Musk is transforming mechanical engineering in the early 21st century.

                    nonsense! Musk is a PR project. very hyped but no more. the same falcones were designed by skilled engineers, not Musk. Tesla are the same engineers, not Musk. how good an organizer he is can be judged by the fact that he was kicked out of the post of head of Pai Pal before the end of the probationary period. request
                    but in the drink of budgets he is very strong! there are a lot of examples. and gigafactories, and the electrification of Tau, and a similar operation in Australia. and here is another option in the article wink
                    1. voyaka uh
                      voyaka uh 11 October 2020 23: 54
                      +1
                      "qualified engineers designed, not Musk. Tesla by the same engineers, not Musk." ////
                      ---
                      Naturally. smile But he recruits them for work and defines the task.
                      1. Sanichsan
                        Sanichsan 12 October 2020 00: 55
                        +3
                        Quote: voyaka uh
                        Naturally. But he recruits them for work and defines the task.

                        another nonsense. What task did he set for the Tesla creators when he bought them? this is a finished project. Musk gave them money for expansion and connections to promote.
                        In France, a joint tokamak project is being assembled, this is really a breakthrough, but for Muscophile hamsters, a genius breakthrough is a pig with a chip. it would be better if he inserted a chip for himself, which would automatically tweet horned pictures of Johnny Depp when "Rocket" once again vpends Depp's wife wassat
            2. The eye of the crying
              The eye of the crying 11 October 2020 21: 38
              -2
              Quote: loki565
              They needed the opportunity to work out government orders through a private contractor, and a new one.


              Who needs it and why?
      3. orionvitt
        orionvitt 11 October 2020 15: 01
        +1
        Quote: voyaka uh
        and now the generals are in line to his office

        So this is for money. The only thing that smells like from Musk's projects is budget money. Moreover, huge.
        1. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 11 October 2020 15: 36
          +2
          But rockets take off, satellites go into orbits. His technique works. Moreover, in large quantities.
        2. imobile2008
          imobile2008 11 October 2020 16: 48
          0
          There are almost no budget launches. Basic commercial.
          1. 3danimal
            3danimal 11 October 2020 19: 10
            -6
            Rogozin and Channel One say that Musk is bad. And for many, this attitude is indisputable, alas, it is not very effective to appeal to logic and facts.
            The problem is that people are often too lazy to search for and intellectually process information. It's easier to take on trust the ready-made "substrate" request
      4. Observer2014
        Observer2014 11 October 2020 15: 09
        0
        Quote: voyaka uh
        The Pentagon used to despise Musk (approximately, as here on VO smile ), and now the generals are queuing up to his office: "please do us this, do us this ..."
        And he can send them: "you go ... to Boingu ". laughing am

        yes drinks
      5. borberd
        borberd 11 October 2020 16: 44
        -2
        Quote: voyaka uh
        The Pentagon used to despise Musk (approximately, as here on VO smile ), and now the generals are queuing up to his office: "please do us this, do us this ..."
        And he can send them: "You go ... to the Boeing." laughing am

        What's that, once upon a time he and the Russian generals were sent when he asked them to sell an old ICBM. And now Rogozin covers them with unprintable words.
  12. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 11 October 2020 13: 06
    +7
    Before launching a "transport" rocket in the direction of Bagram, the Americans should warn us: the Russians are flying in the direction of Bagram with a "truck" with diapers and not the Minuteman! Readily believe we open a mine with the Voevoda or eventually with Sarmat ?! hi
    1. The eye of the crying
      The eye of the crying 11 October 2020 21: 39
      0
      You may not know, but the area of ​​impact of a ballistic target is perfectly calculated. Think about how training launches and tests of ICBMs take place.
      1. tralflot1832
        tralflot1832 11 October 2020 22: 33
        -1
        I do not know how the area will be combed out the area of ​​the fall of the warheads, but Norgi at the EBN, they did not warn about the launch of a geophysical rocket, they put the Strategic Missile Forces on their ears.
        1. The eye of the crying
          The eye of the crying 11 October 2020 22: 35
          -2
          Quote: tralflot1832
          Norgi at EBN, did not warn about the launch of a geophysical rocket put the Strategic Missile Forces on their ears


          Legends, legends.

          Quote: tralflot1832
          All the more so, the trajectory of the "truck" clings to the territory of the shu.


          The flight paths are not yet known.
  13. K-50
    K-50 11 October 2020 13: 06
    +8
    The American military, together with Elon Musk, are developing a rocket capable of moving at a speed of 7,5 thousand miles per hour (more than 12 thousand km / h), as well as sending 80 tons of cargo into space and landing it anywhere in the world in about an hour.

    I think that even the American pie (budget) is not enough for such a "mouth". request lol
    You need to be more modest, more modest. yes fellow fellow wassat
    1. Observer2014
      Observer2014 11 October 2020 13: 40
      -3
      Quote: K-50
      The American military, together with Elon Musk, are developing a rocket capable of moving at a speed of 7,5 thousand miles per hour (more than 12 thousand km / h), as well as sending 80 tons of cargo into space and landing it anywhere in the world in about an hour.

      I think that even the American pie (budget) is not enough for such a "mouth". request lol
      You need to be more modest, more modest. yes fellow fellow wassat
      Colleague. This is called progress. And hurray patriotism in blogs will not stop him. Hurray, patriotism can push you to great achievements, but it will not slow down your opponent in any way.
  14. Gardamir
    Gardamir 11 October 2020 13: 15
    -1
    read local comments. Now I know what those who burned Giordano Bruno were talking about
    1. tralflot1832
      tralflot1832 11 October 2020 13: 53
      +3
      Definitely not Indians! The descendants of the exceptional, who now live behind a puddle! We have such "put on a barrel of gunpowder, let it fly" and then in the movies. lol
    2. Thunderbringer
      Thunderbringer 11 October 2020 14: 09
      +6
      Quote: Gardamir
      read local comments.

      Not local yourself?
      We thought so.
  15. Operator
    Operator 11 October 2020 13: 18
    -1
    Oddly enough, but there is a sense in rocket transport - supersonic aircraft flew into the tube due to the generation of a shock wave on the Earth's surface, therefore, only transatlantic flights are possible for it only between airfields with an extra-long capital runway.

    Rocket transport has a maximum average speed (up to 20 thousand km per hour) and a minimum landing area (practically in the dimensions of the lander) and has only two drawbacks - one-way flight (which is not critical for the military) and delivery cost (which is not critical for special operations forces).
    1. OgnennyiKotik
      OgnennyiKotik 11 October 2020 13: 33
      -4
      Quote: Operator
      one-way flight (which is not critical for the military) and delivery cost (which is not critical for special operations forces).

      1 problem can be solved by building spaceports at different points or mobile sea. For example, like Sea Launch, Musk is already creating. There is a stock of 1 steps, a restoration / repair workshop.
      2 problem will be solved only by mass.
      1. Operator
        Operator 11 October 2020 13: 50
        +1
        How to deliver a liquid-propellant launch vehicle weighing several hundred tons to the combat zone? laughing
        1. The eye of the crying
          The eye of the crying 11 October 2020 14: 00
          -2
          What's the problem? He is not delivered to the battlefield, but to a well-defended base.
          1. Operator
            Operator 11 October 2020 14: 09
            +2
            Have you already banned guided weapons in the combat zone? laughing
            1. The eye of the crying
              The eye of the crying 11 October 2020 14: 11
              -1
              No. And unguided weapons were also not prohibited. But cargo is still delivered to the combat zones. Thousands of tons, even tens of thousands.
              1. Operator
                Operator 11 October 2020 14: 19
                -2
                Read the comments carefully - it was about the impossibility of sending goods from, and not to the war zone.
                1. The eye of the crying
                  The eye of the crying 11 October 2020 14: 25
                  -1
                  Quote: Operator
                  Read the comments carefully - it was about the impossibility of sending goods from, and not to the war zone.


                  It reads:

                  Quote: Operator
                  How to deliver a liquid-propellant launch vehicle weighing several hundred tons to the combat zone?


                  It is quite obvious that several hundred tons must be delivered to the war zone. And there are no fundamental problems with this.
                  1. Operator
                    Operator 11 October 2020 14: 32
                    -2
                    Something you are out of shape today laughing
                    1. The eye of the crying
                      The eye of the crying 11 October 2020 14: 37
                      -2
                      But you are in your usual form.
  16. sedoj
    sedoj 11 October 2020 13: 27
    +1
    are developing a rocket capable of traveling at a speed of 7,5 thousand miles per hour (more than 12 thousand km / h), as well as sending 80 tons of cargo into space and landing it anywhere in the world in about an hour.

    It is assumed that the rocket flight from Cape Canaveral to the Bagram airbase in Afghanistan, located at a distance of more than 7 thousand miles (more than 11 thousand km) from the cosmodrome, can be completed in about an hour.

    80 Tons TNT. Delivery for vertical landing, head-down. belay
  17. rocket757
    rocket757 11 October 2020 13: 29
    +1
    And sho instead of army logistics, missiles will be set up and everything will be TYPE-TOP?
    Denyushka will be counted and the project will be postponed until better times.
    1. The eye of the crying
      The eye of the crying 11 October 2020 14: 29
      +2
      Quote: rocket757
      And sho instead of army logistics, missiles will be set up and everything will be TYPE-TOP?


      Musk is not proposing to replace transport aircraft. This is a lie of an anonymous author.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 11 October 2020 14: 44
        0
        It doesn't matter. They will still count and decide later.
        Sometimes you have to take costly measures, in a situation where it is impossible to do otherwise .... there are plenty of examples.
        Boom to see.
  18. parusnik
    parusnik 11 October 2020 13: 34
    +1
    Something from childhood reminded me of a fantasy novel or a story, a certain future, where cargo is delivered by missiles, as well as passengers ... I don't remember the author ...
    1. Polymer
      Polymer 11 October 2020 21: 27
      0
      Quote: parusnik
      Something from childhood reminded me of a fantasy novel or a story, a certain future, where cargo is delivered by rockets, as well as passengers ..

      Well, in fantastic works and abruptly things are there. For example, teleportation. You open the door of a stall like a dry closet somewhere in Seattle, you enter, then you open the door from the inside - and you leave in Bagram! Then you teleport back, you look - Musk stands to the side of the booth and nervously smokes ...
  19. evgen1221
    evgen1221 11 October 2020 13: 38
    +3
    Hype and monetization. And a question, how can such a racket be distinguished from a combat one?
    1. The eye of the crying
      The eye of the crying 11 October 2020 13: 57
      -1
      Quote: evgen1221
      but how to distinguish such a racket from a combat one?


      No way. But it is possible to inform in advance about launches and landing areas.
  20. ZEMCH
    ZEMCH 11 October 2020 13: 38
    +2
    Let them sit behind their puddles and it will not be necessary to launch rockets in Bagram.))) Actually, Trump promised to withdraw everyone from Afghanistan by Christmas, maybe the missiles will not be needed soon)))
  21. silberwolf88
    silberwolf88 11 October 2020 13: 41
    0
    What can I say ... just burns with ideas))) ...
    and so ... well, Musk will work out such a technology ... whether to use it and how much it costs ... this is the second part of the story ...
    1. orionvitt
      orionvitt 11 October 2020 15: 13
      +2
      Quote: silberwolf88
      what can I say ... just burns with ideas)))

      What burns is true. Bad business is not tricky. laughing
  22. The eye of the crying
    The eye of the crying 11 October 2020 13: 51
    +3
    And they did not say about the most interesting - how much it will cost.
    1. SVD68
      SVD68 11 October 2020 13: 53
      +3
      It's so clear how many. It will cost a retaliatory nuclear strike against the United States.
      1. The eye of the crying
        The eye of the crying 11 October 2020 13: 56
        +1
        I wonder how much the United States and Russia have already run into debt to each other in retaliatory strikes.
  23. askort154
    askort154 11 October 2020 14: 07
    0
    How much such delivery will cost, and whether the "cargo" rocket will be reusable is not reported, as is not reported and about its probable parameters at the final stage of the flight.

    That is, how will the earth "accept" this gold-standing cargo? How guaranteed is it? There is an old Russian saying - "the quieter you go, the further you wake up". Although, Max surprises with his boundless imagination. As they used to sing in the USSR - "to dream, you have to dream, children of the eagle tribe"!
  24. The comment was deleted.
  25. Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I 11 October 2020 14: 27
    +1
    Vice Admiral Dee Mewborn, Deputy Commander of US Transportation Command, calls the project "one of the greatest transportation revolutions since airplanes." It is strange that this is presented as "just said"! The concept is very familiar to me! Earlier, the US military command put forward this concept under the "sauce" that national sovereignty over the airspace is limited to 80 km ...! And higher ... fly, I don't want to! Here in NATO and dreaming! What is there to waste time on trifles! Hypersonic transport missiles with an altitude of up to 100 km are being created ... and the problem is solved!
  26. The comment was deleted.
  27. Reviews
    Reviews 11 October 2020 14: 31
    +1
    There was already such a "paper" project in the USA in the 1950s or 60s. Delivery directly to the KMP division by a suborbital missile. Unfortunately, I don't remember the name. :(
    1. slipped
      slipped 11 October 2020 14: 33
      +1
      Quote: Avis
      There was already such a "paper" project in the USA in the 1950s or 60s. Delivery directly to the KMP division by a suborbital missile. Unfortunately, I don't remember the name. :(


      Yes, the idea is very old:



      1. Reviews
        Reviews 11 October 2020 14: 38
        -2
        Quote: slipped

        Yes, the idea is very old:


        No, there were completely different sketches.
        And the name of the project is alarming here ...
  28. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 11 October 2020 14: 37
    +3
    Guys, wait Greta Thunberg will wake up and stay with Musk, his reusable macaroni and Tesla. She already has Biden as president.
  29. Ros 56
    Ros 56 11 October 2020 14: 39
    +2
    A smart idea, you push a tank into a rocket and rush, neither you take off, nor you KDP, nor you launch pads for missiles. One hundred tanks - one hundred missiles, plus people, plus MTO and all this to the rear of the enemy. This is how many missiles you need if you stir up such a small war. But the question of the safety of the cargo somehow hangs in the air. Musk is a billionaire, he can express his fantasies, a language without bones, but life, it is somehow much more complicated.
  30. Kerensky
    Kerensky 11 October 2020 14: 40
    0
    They will always mix everything up! This 80-ton cargo from Bagram to the US is paying off. Well, if you don’t carry dressing gowns ... I loaded it at night, in the morning I put up your goods in an hour in the USA, bypassing customs ...
    And so ... We land the tanks by parachute method. Here, too, most likely, the container is separated and descended on the parachute system. The road is a spoon for dinner, anyone in the subject has a great idea of ​​what it is like to throw 80 tons of cargo in the right place. We are clearly not talking about people - the overloads are still there.
  31. Pavel57
    Pavel57 11 October 2020 14: 42
    -1
    Musk does everything inexpensively.
  32. Aleks2000
    Aleks2000 11 October 2020 15: 12
    +3
    Ha. The bottom line is this - to quickly deliver expensive goods.

    And articles are written by whoever. This anonymous man invented this: "Elon Musk proposes to replace the US Air Force transport aircraft with missiles,"
    that he never thought in his life ...

    And then they write that these fakes are invented behind the hill ...
  33. iouris
    iouris 11 October 2020 15: 25
    -2
    Right now, Rogozin will pick up and improve the idea.
  34. Vasyan1971
    Vasyan1971 11 October 2020 15: 26
    0
    Krants to the ozone layer!
    And the load on our Early Warning System, which is actually what they are trying to achieve, will multiply ...
    1. The eye of the crying
      The eye of the crying 11 October 2020 15: 36
      -4
      Quote: Vasyan1971
      Krants to the ozone layer!


      Why would you? Easy to puncture: the ozone layer is destroyed by freon, and Starship engines emit carbon dioxide and water.
      1. The comment was deleted.
        1. The eye of the crying
          The eye of the crying 11 October 2020 17: 58
          -1
          ru-an.info


          Clear.
      2. Vasyan1971
        Vasyan1971 11 October 2020 18: 04
        +1
        Quote: Eye of the Crying
        Why?

        We are talking about the possible intensification of rocket launches.
        Research shows that launches of launch vehicles have some impact on the upper atmosphere. In this case, its chemical composition can change and dynamic, thermal, electromagnetic effects of exposure can appear. The sounding data show that after the launch of the launch vehicle, within about 1 hour, a partial restructuring of the ionosphere structure occurs at distances up to 2 thousand km, which manifests itself in the appearance of wave disturbances of the ionosphere of various scales.
        1. The eye of the crying
          The eye of the crying 11 October 2020 18: 07
          -2
          Studies of the level of Fomenko and Sklyarov.
  35. Crabong
    Crabong 11 October 2020 15: 30
    -2
    As this cretin got it already. This mask is just a cardboard dork for hipsters ..! It is clear that in fact industrial and financial circles are behind it. And this idiot only grinds some nonsense!
  36. Prisoner
    Prisoner 11 October 2020 15: 35
    +1
    And where will the Amer so many "cosmonauts" be recruited into the troops? winked
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 11 October 2020 16: 40
      0
      Do not worry about being recruited - there are many rich people in the USA.
    2. The eye of the crying
      The eye of the crying 11 October 2020 17: 58
      0
      What for? The rocket is automatic.
  37. NF68
    NF68 11 October 2020 16: 18
    0
    The cost of the cargo delivered by the missiles will be prohibitive. Therefore, even if it comes to that, the missiles will be used in very small quantities.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 11 October 2020 22: 24
      -1
      Num methane and liquid oxygen will not cost much for it, and since this transport system will be reusable, the total cost of delivery will be in the region of 10-15 million, but this is a system in fact of emergency delivery when you just need it.
      1. NF68
        NF68 13 October 2020 16: 23
        0
        Quote: Vadim237
        Num methane and liquid oxygen will not cost much for it, and since this transport system will be reusable, the total cost of delivery will be in the region of 10-15 million, but this is a system in fact of emergency delivery when you just need it.


        You cannot transport a lot with the help of such a system either, since this business is not cheap anyway.
  38. The comment was deleted.
  39. Loginoff
    Loginoff 11 October 2020 23: 22
    +1
    Russian missiles can deliver megatons of cargo in a couple of tens of minutes to anywhere in the world :).
    1. The eye of the crying
      The eye of the crying 12 October 2020 00: 12
      0
      American too. These megatons alone weigh only a few tons.
  40. Maxwrx
    Maxwrx 12 October 2020 00: 33
    0
    The Americans have bases with warehouses around the world, and by and large they do not need to send cargo from their continent. The price is huge, I think it will cost around 50-100 million with a downward trend. And still not an hour. At the very least, load into a rocket, refuel, and the weather should also be good. Convertoplanes will be more effective for this. And the radius is large and can land everywhere and the speed is more / less. Now, most likely, this is the development of technology, then it will be with people. On an urgent assignment, if a conditional bin laden is found, send special forces. And you can even take a tank with you 80 tons). A rocket can land on any level ground.
  41. viktor_ui
    viktor_ui 12 October 2020 08: 31
    -2
    the more the Gundos talk about the rastak I. Mask ... then over time it becomes more and more fun and more fun to listen to similar gundobredni ekhperds in this level 80. If and . Mask is a thief and a freeloader in your opinion, then who will be then and who you know who fellow ? Success to you in your verbiage for you remind Themis, who is deaf and blind, but with a sword and scales for dosage wassat
  42. Whirlwind
    Whirlwind 12 October 2020 09: 33
    +2
    "If you chase two hares, you won't catch a single one," but this genius of self-promotion is chasing twenty "hares" and many people at once, which he has already promised ...