Flight time to St. Petersburg - a few minutes: F-35 fighters may appear at bases near the borders of Russia

The US State Department has approved the likely delivery of 64 F-35 aircraft to Finland for $ 12,5 billion, as well as 58 F / A-18 E / F Super Hornets and 14 EA-18G Growlers worth $ 14,7 billion. The announcement of a potential sale is a requirement of US law and does not mean that an agreement has already taken place.

This information, in the form of two official communications, was released by the Defense Cooperation Agency (DSCA).

The agency has also notified Congress of this.

DSCA report No. 20-66 refers to 64 F-35 Joint Strike Fighter fighters with AIM-9X Block II + Sidewinder air-to-air missiles, GBU-39, AGM-154C-1, AGM high-precision air-to-ground ammunition -158B-2 JASSM-ER, as well as for other weapons, related equipment and services.

Communication # 20-67 refers to a possible sale of 50 F / A-18E Super Hornets, 8 F / A-18F Super Hornets and 14 EA-18G Growler electronic warfare aircraft.

Finland announced the start of a fighter selection program for its Air Force in late 2019. The final decision is expected to be made by the end of 2021.

Among the contenders to replace 64 Finnish F / A-18s, which are to "retire" by 2030, are American fighters Boeing F / A-18 Super Hornet and Lockheed Martin F-35 Lightning II, as well as Eurofighter Typhoon, French Dassault Rafale and Saab Gripen made in Sweden.

Today in Finland there are 30 military airfields, 11 of them are located on airfield road sections. In peacetime, the Finnish Air Force uses seven main airfields, including those near the borders of the Russian Federation.

It should be noted that the flight time from the Finnish Air Force base to St. Petersburg and Petrozavodsk is only a few minutes. This is a real threat to Russia's borders, although Finland is positioning itself as a non-aligned state.

Comments

[krops777]

Flight time to St. Petersburg - a few minutes

The flight time to Petersburg (USA) of the same poplar is also a few minutes.

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: krops777

Flight time to St. Petersburg - a few minutes

The flight time to Petersburg (USA) of the same poplar is also a few minutes.

Only we should not say this at VO, but Putin from the Kremlin. Then the effect will be.
Well, about the "decision-making centers" and so on ...

[1976AG]

Quote: Zoldat_A

Quote: krops777

Flight time to St. Petersburg - a few minutes

The flight time to Petersburg (USA) of the same poplar is also a few minutes.

Only we should not say this at VO, but Putin from the Kremlin. Then the effect will be.
Well, about the "decision-making centers" and so on ...

In Soviet times, our leadership announced that regardless of where the blow was struck at the Soviet Union, we would strike at the United States. Only this cooled the amers. As long as they expect to sit out overseas, there will be no sense.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: 1976AG

In Soviet times, our leadership announced that regardless of where the blow was struck at the Soviet Union, we would strike at the United States.

Well, GDP practically said the same thing.
The blow will be delivered to the center of decision making

[Dude]

Well, GDP practically said the same thing.

I think it's all about weight words, alas.

[mitroha]

Quote: Lipchanin

Quote: 1976AG

In Soviet times, our leadership announced that regardless of where the blow was struck at the Soviet Union, we would strike at the United States.

Well, GDP practically said the same thing.
The blow will be delivered to the center of decision making

It's not entirely clear to me how one can disagree with reality, but on the other hand, I'm not a psychiatrist. This is me about your minusers

[1976AG]

Quote: Lipchanin

Quote: 1976AG

In Soviet times, our leadership announced that regardless of where the blow was struck at the Soviet Union, we would strike at the United States.

Well, GDP practically said the same thing.
The blow will be delivered to the center of decision making

"By the center of decision making". Vague like that. And it was possible not to be modest, but to say frankly - we will beat the USA. And the decision-making center is any headquarters, including in Europe.

[orionvitt]

Quote: Lipchanin

The blow will be delivered to the center of decision making

On centers decision making, he is not alone. Here I think that some people, and in New Zealand, will not serve.

[hydrox]

I think that the goals that appear from countries that are unfriendly to us (and after such a purchase, the Finka REALLY becomes unfriendly (i.e., having carriers of weapons that are dangerous to our population and economic objects (you noticed that I did not name Finka a Hateful country)) to be captured, accompanied and subsequently destroyed without the obligatory agreement with the high command.That is, this is the case when our country may not declare martial law and the case will simply end in conflict with the loss of the Finnish aircraft.

[Dude]

... and a Finka after SUCH a purchase REALLY becomes unfriendly (that is, having carriers of weapons that are dangerous for our population and economic objects (you noticed that I did not call Finka a Hateful country) ...

For the sake of fairness, it is worth noting that the tourmalays already had a lot of "eighteenths". (So, in this aspect, IMHO, hot Finnish guys are just rearming, they are not young.)
Here is the 35th - this is already a slightly different calico, with all its apparently chronic childhood diseases, the enemy is not a gift - it has certain advantages (just for this section of the hypothetical theater of operations).
I would not call the Finns' behavior frankly unfriendly or threatening, but I agree that this is a move on the verge of a foul (considering, in general, the good relations between our states).
I think the issue of politics / protectionism / lobbying is still relevant there - that's why they don't buy Europlanes, but US ones.
Something like that, at first glance ...

[hydrox]

And nothing, the Finns, in fact, will be akin to the Estamians, so it will come to them, of course, that our air defense is developing much faster than the American aviation industry, but the job has already been done and let them rest in peace ...

[fruc]

Let us recall from which airfield (Helsinki) Comrade. M. Rust in 1987. and how he was allowed to cross the state. the border over the Gulf of Finland towards the USSR, they probably also wished a good flight. In Soviet times, they often had to fly out to counter the Finnish military and reconnaissance. aviation with air. Kuopio and Jyväskylä (they especially loved to fly on Soviet holidays).

[your1970]

Quote: hydrox

and a Finka after SUCH a purchase REALLY becomes unfriendly (that is, having carriers of weapons that are dangerous to our population and economic objects (you noticed that I did not call Finka a Hateful country))

Do you think- JUST there was a question about the export of untreated round timber ???? !!!! Schaz ....
It is a strategic a hint of Finland - sit and say and do not rock the boat, or else we will smack the export of birch - which UNTIL allowed ...
The Finns clearly cut the chip, therefore they received buns from both sides from the EU and from the USSR / RF ...
The first was hinted at by the Mannerheim board - the Finns immediately refused to join NATO ...

[hydrox]

With the board, of course, it turned out dashingly - I did not expect such a reaction from the Finns!

[pereselenec]

Quote: Zoldat_A

Only we should not say this at VO, but Putin from the Kremlin.

He, it seems, regularly intimidates "partners" with cartoons with missiles.

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: pereselenec

Quote: Zoldat_A

Only we should not say this at VO, but Putin from the Kremlin.

He, it seems, regularly intimidates "partners" with cartoons with missiles.

That "cartoon" the day before yesterday 8 Makhov did. And to you - watch the "cartoon" about Cheburashka. Maybe you will learn something kind and eternal that you missed as a child. And at the same time - open the textbook of the Russian language and see exactly how the word "like" is spelled. Ah, well, yes, well, yes ... "What difference does it make - they still understand ..."

[hydrox]

It is you who are intimidated, and the "partners" go to the psychotherapist in line to sign up because all night long cartoons with Vanguards and Zircons with stamping aircraft carriers dream ...

[Victor67]

Yes, everything was said there a long time ago, do not hold our leadership for the stupid at all, everyone knows our doctrine perfectly well, what else to talk about? These mongrels can bark indefinitely, but at the exit nothing, well, they will put a couple of OTRKs in Karelia and that's all, all their flour and spending billions in scrap. By the way, I suppose that there is already a otvetka, taking into account the stupidity of the Finns and the Norgs ... They have become arrogant, almost like the Saxons.

[mitroha]

I believe that the Russian Foreign Ministry should begin to EXTREMELY harshly suppress by any means, up to the threat of a preemptive strike, to stop the practice of approaching strike weapons to the Russian borders. Don't give a damn about objections, just like Israel does, we are in the same unfriendly circle already. Personally, I wish that my grandchildren would live in HIS peaceful country, and for this we need to do everything.

[mitroha]

Minus, apparently, Katz, who offers to surrender? Or does anyone know a better way to win a war than to prevent it?

[hydrox]

Minus you are the "friends of the Foreign" (more precisely, our kind of ilite), but in fact our mighty FIFTH column. And if we give her freedom now, then in the future she will still give us a light - it will not seem a little, and how many machine-gun barrels we will burn during the eradication - only Gd knows!

[pereselenec]

Quote: hydrox

Minus you are the "friends of the Foreign" (more precisely, our kind of ilite), but in fact our mighty FIFTH column.

The fifth column is minus, and the sixth chamber plus

[ancient]

Quote: Mitroha

Minus, apparently Katz,

Minus most likely for your phrase - "I think that the Russian Foreign Ministry should begin to EXTREMELY harshly suppress by any, up to the threat of a preemptive strike, ways to stop the practice of approaching strike weapons to the Russian borders."

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Mitroha

Minus, apparently, Katz, who offers to surrender?

There are plenty of "all-fenders"

[Xnumx vis]

These are especially concerned - gifted, fighters against the Putin regime are bombing you with minuses .. You know who I am talking about .. There is a special "guard" of fighters against modern Russia in VO.

[Not with you]

Offer Ukraine to do the same
most ....
Or your grandchildren will live completely
in another country.....

[mitroha]

Quote: Not with you

Offer Ukraine to do the same
most ....
Or your grandchildren will live completely
in another country.....

Who am I to offer Ukraine something if it doesn't even listen to its own people?

[Gardamir]

I think that

Somehow at the meeting I will tell Vladimir Vladimirovich that you are the best Minister of Stranger Affairs. And then the current one reconciled the Azeris with the Armenians, and in joy they began to shoot even more at each other.
Until you understand who is ruling the country, all your rhymes are not about anything.

[mitroha]

Do you visit the President of the Russian Federation? I doubt it, but if so, tell him everything that you write here ...

[Dude]

I believe that the Russian Foreign Ministry should begin to EXTREMELY harshly suppress by any means, up to the threat of a preemptive strike, to stop the practice of approaching strike weapons to the Russian borders. Don't give a damn about objections, just like Israel does, we're in the same unfriendly ring

Here I will sign under your every word, but!
In the case of the Finns and Swedes, IMHO, first of all, it is necessary to build diplomatic work: the former, so well tied with us in the economy, the latter, after all, value their neutrality; Both those and others, in the case of a grandiose nix on our north-western borders, find themselves in an extremely dangerous and disadvantageous position, simply by virtue of geography, and the lessons of history are well remembered (unlike some limitrophes and "hyenas").
Although, of course, they need to be given to understand that we can not only snap back and “express concern”, but also hit. For a start, on the hands, and then - depending on their behavior.

[Evgeny Goncharov (smoogg)]

Something you are so worried about, these are miserable penguins, who have 500 flaws and are generally incapable of combat, RIA Novosti says.

[your1970]

Quote: Mitroha

Give a damn about objections, just like Israel does, we are in the same unfriendly ring already

The United States stands behind Israel's back ... Only and exclusively because of this Israel exists ...
As soon as there is no one behind, and Israel will not be. Even despite the fact that the Arabs in general, how modern armies do not represent anything

[Piramidon]

Quote: krops777

Flight time to St. Petersburg - a few minutes

The flight time to Petersburg (USA) of the same poplar is also a few minutes.

And before these bases in Finland are even less. There and "Iskaders" will reach, if that.

In peacetime, the Finnish Air Force uses seven main airfields, including those near the borders of the Russian Federation.

[MKPU-115]

Quote: krops777

Flight time to St. Petersburg - a few minutes

The flight time to Petersburg (USA) of the same poplar is also a few minutes.

Poplars have been removed from service, 15 minutes RS-24 "Yars" from Teikovskaya and F-35 will have nowhere to land, a one-way ticket.

[Dude]

15 minutes RS-24 "Yars" from Teikovskaya and F-35 will have nowhere to land, a one-way ticket.

To use RS-24 according to, conditional, Rovaniemi or Lahti is waste. There are more appropriate means of destruction.

[MKPU-115]

Quote: Dude

15 minutes RS-24 "Yars" from Teikovskaya and F-35 will have nowhere to land, a one-way ticket.

To use RS-24 according to, conditional, Rovaniemi or Lahti is waste. There are more appropriate means of destruction.

Why not? 1 rocket RS-24 "Yars", one country "European area" minus for good. I agree that it is wasteful in terms of, will hook our territory.
PS Poplars (monoblock) were removed 10 years ago from the database, now on one carrier maneuvering MIRVs 6 x 150 kT or 3 x 300, whichever targets.

[stas]

Right now, they can do without missiles.
They will spray some new Coronavirus from the UAV, and our generals will hide in the bunkers, and the soldiers will sit down and put on masks!

[mitroha]

YOUR generals, they will also call your mother

[The eye of the crying]

Quote: krops777

The flight time to Petersburg (USA) of the same poplar is also a few minutes. tongue

Is it some kind of super-fast secret Poplars?

[Xnumx vis]

Quote: Eye of the Crying

Quote: krops777

The flight time to Petersburg (USA) of the same poplar is also a few minutes. tongue

Is it some kind of super-fast secret Poplars?

These are missiles from ships of the Baltic Fleet. And also with the Russian Air Force.

[The eye of the crying]

Poplars - from ships and planes? These are definitely some secret Poplars.

[Xnumx vis]

Daggers, Calibers, Iskander, Zircons .. Enough for you?

[The eye of the crying]

The character to whom I answered was talking about the Topols. You. To read. Do you know how?

[Xnumx vis]

I can. I can also answer. The above is enough instead of poplars. Complemented the character's speech. You. Think. Do you know how?

[The eye of the crying]

Quote: 30 vis

Added character speech

"Supplemented" - this means that what the character said remains in effect. Tell us about the secret Topols on ships and planes.

[Xnumx vis]

Relax. Think about the earthly. About love at last. War, damn it.

[The eye of the crying]

This is how I rest. But the story of the secret Poplars would have made my vacation even more complete.

[3danimal]

Can poplars be launched from warships? And planes? (This is from what giants?)
This propensity for one-sided threats has never been understood. I recall "The Hunt for Red October": if "the ashes will not fall on Washington before hell breaks out in Moscow." Nuclear deterrence, mutual assured destruction. An absolutely unacceptable scenario. (Let me remind you that the afterlife is a fairy tale).
Or as in one anecdote: "And what about us?"

[Old jew]

We shouldn't forget about the baltics, in particular, about estonia. NATO actions using this territory are capable of causing significant damage to Petrograd and Moscow. The Baltic Fleet is blocked in its bases with the help of coastal complexes, strike aircraft are deployed at airfields, and heavy equipment is transported along the railway. I must say that the local population, incl. and Russian-speaking, will support actions directed against Russia, or remain indifferent. This is an absolute failure of Russian policy when dealing with Russians in the Baltic states. There is no need to respect Russia, but it is necessary that everyone be afraid so that it would even be scary to fart in her direction.

[Dude]

We shouldn't forget about the baltics, in particular, about estonia. NATO actions using this territory are capable of causing significant damage to Petrograd and Moscow. The Baltic Fleet is blocked in its bases with the help of coastal complexes, strike aircraft are deployed at airfields, and heavy equipment is brought along the railway.

I must admit that there is a sermyaga in your words. In addition to the railway infrastructure, in the required directions it has degraded too much .

... incl. and Russian-speaking, will support actions against Russia

As for Latvia and Estonia, believe me, you are wrong. Lithuania is possible.

There is no need to respect Russia, but it is necessary that everyone be afraid so that it would even be scary to fart in her direction.

As history and common sense show, one is inextricably linked with the other.

[NordUral]

There is no need to respect Russia, but it is necessary that everyone be afraid so that it would even be scary to fart in her direction.

Unfortunately, now only this option remains.

[iouris]

Quote: krops777

The flight time to Petersburg (USA) of the same poplar is also a few minutes.

Poplar leaves fall from an ash tree ...
This is a pistol at the temple (not at the whiskey). A kind word and "Colt" and the cat are pleased.

[Svetlana]

The dead hand will work after the attack

[Machito]

Why do the Finns need so much aviation worth $ 27 billion? There is nowhere to put money? Was it not early for Putin to lift sanctions against Finland? Can they cut off timber supplies and something else? Let them get rich.

[aszzz888]

Bearded man (bearded man)
Today, 11: 48

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Why do the Finns need so much aviation worth $ 27 billion? There is nowhere to put money? Was it not early for Putin to lift sanctions against Finland? Maybe they timber supplies block and something else? Let them get rich.

Let them throw money away, their problems. And the forest from the age of 22 will be closed for everyone. Round timber at least. The Finns will keep the salmon.

[PSih2097]

Quote: aszzz888

The Finns will keep the salmon.

if you conduct military exercises DKBF and KSF, then they will have nothing left ...

[aszzz888]

PSih2097 (Alexander Latysh)
Today, 12: 12

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Quote: aszzz888
The Finns will keep the salmon.

if you conduct military exercises DKBF and KSF, then they will have nothing left ...

With practical shooting RBU-6000 in areas, ... and leave the hinterland from the evil eye)) the enemy.

[PSih2097]

Quote: aszzz888

With practical shooting RBU-6000 in areas, ... and leave the hinterland from the evil eye)) the enemy.

while accidentally sinking "elk" or "wolf" it will be a kirdyk ...

[hydrox]

You underestimate: since 22, the export of round timber only of coniferous species has been blocked, and the main export timber to Finka is birch logs for making plywood (they make excellent plywood (like our aviation period of the Second World War!)) And also take chips from us with pleasure. From the same birch they make very high quality paper.
Now, if we threaten them with a ban on the supply of birch, then they (maybe) will refuse to buy Fushek.

[aszzz888]

“I instruct from January 1, 2022 to introduce a complete ban on the export from Russia of unprocessed or rough, only for the type of processed timber coniferous and valuable hardwood", - said the President on September 30 at a meeting on the development and decriminalization of the forestry complex.

... and not only conifers, but also VALUABLE deciduous species. As for the supply of birch to the Finns, I suppose the border lobby will push through such an option, because have from this not sickly grandmother. (while of course they share with their comrades from ... well, in a word higher rank).

[hydrox]

This is a birch "valuable deciduous"?
This can only be said by some Farid, who has lived all his life in the Sahara or Gobi, drowned his hearth with camel droppings and has no idea about forests, houses, furniture, paper and "valuable species" ...

[The popuas]

Rather, the Russians will have figs and butter ...

[iouris]

Consoled. And how can you be sure of this ??

[rocket757]

Re-equipping, replacement of equipment that has worked out the service life is in progress.

[APASUS]

Flight time to St. Petersburg - a few minutes

The Finns are also aware that the flight time to Helsinki is also a few minutes, and some weapons will not even cross the Finnish border.

[aszzz888]

APASUS (Pavo)
Today, 11: 45
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Flight time to St. Petersburg - a few minutes

Finns are also aware that the flight time to Helsinki is also several miAnd some samples of weapons, even the border of Finland, will not cross.

So yes, the laws of physics have not yet been canceled. By the way, we also have much better explosive delivery accelerators than theirs.

[air defense]

Yes, war is an expensive business 195 million dollars for one F-35. Why do finals need such an aircraft fleet they are not in NATO, the country is not aggressive in the sense that it does not conduct hostilities.

[PSih2097]

Quote: Airdefense

Yes, war is an expensive business 195 million dollars for one F-35. Why do finals need such an aircraft fleet they are not in NATO, the country is not aggressive in the sense that it does not conduct hostilities.

well, they, together with the Swedes, entered the "Scandinavian Union", and there Norway and Iceland are NATO members ...

[3danimal]

You confused with the F-22

[Engineer]

64 F-35 aircraft for $ 12,5 billion

195 million per head. They don't want to get cheaper. Polish contract was 144
In general, it is strange that Gripen is not. God himself ordered us to cooperate with our neighbors. Plus, it was possible to localize the production of some of the components. And profit sharing and jobs

[Ded_Mazay]

Quote: Engineer

In general, it is strange that it is not Gripen

The master did not order to cooperate. The gentleman ordered to serve the American military-industrial complex.

[OgnennyiKotik]

Quote: Engineer

195 million per head. They don't want to get cheaper. Polish contract was 144

In the Polish contract, the F35 itself is worth 87 million.
This is what the Finnish offer includes besides the plane:

Sixty six (66) Pratt & Whitney F-135 engines (64 installed and 2 spare); five hundred (500) GBU-53 / B Small Diameter Bomb II (SDB II) All-Up Round (AUR); twelve (12) GBU-53 / B SDB II guided test vehicles (GTV); twelve (12) GBU-53 / B SDB II Captive Carry Vehicles (CCV); one hundred fifty (150) Sidewinder AIM-9X Block II + (Plus) tactical missiles; thirty two (32) Sidewinder AIM-9X Block II + (Plus) captive Air training missiles (catms); thirty (30) AIM-9X Block II + (Plus) Sidewinder Tactical Guidance units; Eight (8) AIM-9X Block II Sidewinder CATM Guidance units one hundred (100) tactical missiles AGM-154C-1 Joint Stand Off Weapon (JSOW-C1); two hundred (200) Joint Air-to-Surface Standoff Missile-Extended Range (JASSM-ER) AGM-158B-2; two (2) AGM-158B-2 JASSM-ER Separation Test Vehicles; two (2) AGM-158B-2 JASSM-ER Instrumentated Test Vehicles; two (2) AGM-158B-2 JASSM-ER Jettison Test Vehicles; two (2) inert sets of JASSM AGM-158B-2 with intelligent telemetry devices; two (2) AGM-158 training missile dummies; one hundred twenty (120) KMU-556 JDAM guidance kits for GBU-31; three hundred (300) fmu-139D / B fuses; Two (2) KMU-556 (D-2) / B Trainer JDAM guidance kits for GBU-31; thirty (30) KMU-557 JDAM guidance kits for GBU-31; one hundred fifty (150) KMU-572 JDAM guidance kits for GBU-38/54; one hundred twenty (120) BLU-117, general purpose bombs; thirty two (32) BLU-109, general purpose bomb; one hundred fifty (150) BLU-111, general purpose bomb; six (6) MK-82, inert bomb; one (1) fmu-139d / B (D-1) inert fuse.
Electronic warfare systems; command, control, communications, computer and intelligence / communications, navigation and identification (C4I / CNI); Autonomous Logistics Global Support System (ALGS); integrated operational data network (ODIN); air system training devices; the possibility of using weapons and other subsystems, functions and capabilities; unique infrared flashes F-35; access to the reprogramming center; logistics based on the performance of the F-35; software development / integration; support for air ferries and tankers; Laser detector DSU-38A / B, laser detector DSU-38A (D-2) / B, KMU-572 (D-2) / B simulator (JDAM), 40-inch wing release line; GBU-53 / B SDB II Weapon Load Crew Simulators (WLCT); GBU-53 / B SDB II practical explosive ordnance disposal system (PEST) simulators; AGM-154C-1 JSOW captured aircraft; AGM-154C-1 JSOW air missile training dummies; AGM-154C-1 JSOW mission planning, integration and testing support, ammunition storage security and training, weapons operational flight program software development; integration of a joint strike missile; containers with weapons; aircraft and ammunition support and test equipment; communication equipment; supply, spare parts and repair parts; support for the repair and return of weapons; staff training and training equipment; weapons systems software, publications and technical documents; engineering, technical, and logistics services for the US government and contractors; and other related items of logistics and software.

[Engineer]

We have already discussed this topic.
Now nobody supplies a naked plane. There is a package of goods and services. Even the SU-35 comes with components and pilot training. Perhaps Americans have this bag thicker and tastier than others. But in general, talk about a cheap F-35 is still de facto talk.
I emphasize that I am not a member of the "flying brick disguised as a fighter" witness sect. But there is something wrong with the price, although it is cheaper than Indian Rafals. Su-35 still looks like a clear favorite for the price

[OgnennyiKotik]

Quote: Engineer

But there is something wrong with the price, even though it is cheaper than Indian Rafals.

What's wrong? 80-90 million for F35A, F / A-18E in the region of 70-80 (version F and growler are more expensive), F16V block 70/72 120-150 million, F15EX 130-160 million, Typhoon and Rafale are more expensive than 120 million dollars. Su30 70-80 million dollars, Su35 104 million
But there is no point in comparing dryers, they do not participate in these competitions.
The only thing it is not clear whether the engines are included in these amounts or not, here are the prices for the F35 engines:
F135-PW-100 engine for F35A $ 13,3 million
F135-PW-600 engine for F35B $ 19,05M

[Engineer]

Wait, well where 80- 90 million?
https://www.f35.com/about/cost
FROM 90 for A mod. The plane itself At the end of last year. Why would the price still fall during a pandemic?
Judging by the link engine is included[
104 million for the Su-35 is for package. Even thin. Possibly thin.
Plus, I already wrote that because of the collapse of the ruble, drying and 80 will go. In the package

[OgnennyiKotik]

Quote: Engineer

https://www.f35.com/about/cost

You yourself give the link:

In Oct. 2019, the US Department of Defense and Lockheed Martin finalized a $ 34 billion contract for the production and delivery of 478 F-35s at the lowest aircraft price in program history. In the agreement, the F-35 enterprise met and exceeded its long-stated cost reduction targets for each variant.
The F-35A unit price, including aircraft and engine, is now $ 77.9 million in Lot 14.

On Oct. In 2019, the US Department of Defense and Lockheed Martin completed a $ 34 billion contract to manufacture and supply 478 F-35 fighters at the lowest aircraft price in the program's history. In accordance with the agreement, the F-35 enterprise met and exceeded its long-term targets for reducing costs for each option.

The unit price of the F-35A, including the aircraft and engine, is now $ 77,9 million in lot 14.

Even Lot 11 started at $ 89,3 million. This is the price for the plane and engine.

[Engineer]

Exactly. Now read not only the table, but also the inscription under the asterisk. There are charming Congressional plus-ups and as a result 89.3 million for the A mod. Without any package

[OgnennyiKotik]

This is the price for lot 11, for lot 14 the price decreased by 12,8%
Because of these misunderstandings, I am writing the price of the F35A 80-90 million. Thanks for the info, now I will write 78-90 million dollars.

[Engineer]

Yes, it's not right here
The footnote does not indicate directly whether the infa in it refers to lot 11 or 14. If we recalculate the decrease in price, we will just get lot 14. I was confused by the "final prices" as if it was not final before, and lobbying premiums have not been anywhere before were mentioned. Therefore, I was too lazy to recount at first.

[OgnennyiKotik]

It's hard to understand without being in their culture. They have their own rules. It's the same with salaries. They have a week and a year with taxes, in our hands and in a month. Procurement also has its own rules.

[Liam]

Quote: Engineer

At the end of last year.

No matter how no one is going to supply the Finns with f-35s in 2020, if it will be in 5-6 years, and the price falls with each lot and in 2025 will differ from the price of 2019

[OgnennyiKotik]

Quote: Liam

This is if it will be in 5-6 years, and the price falls with each lot and in the conditional 2025

Another question in the specific modification. In 2023, it is planned to move to block 4, it can raise the price.

[Liam]

It is also true, but the fact that they come at the same price as the 4th generation aircraft

[OgnennyiKotik]

Quote: Liam

But the fact is that they come at the same price as the 4th generation aircraft

And so it was planned. Single-engine, mass-produced, cheap strike aircraft, analogue of the F16 in the 5th generation.
To bring 4 to the level of 4 ++ requires a lot of investment. They were designed for the realities of the 20th century, now they need to be redone for 21.
It is like technical tuning of old cars, you need to invest a lot, all this is unreliable, expensive to maintain. It is cheaper to buy a new one with the required characteristics.

[hydrox]

So this is sales management :: modernizing one a new aircraft under "++" (this is really expensive) and the price is brought to the mass of consumers - they in effect take new aircraft, leaving the modernized ones out of brackets. It's another matter if they sell modernized second-hand - there the pricing policy is different - just to push it (but it also turns out not cheap, because the "package" is too expensive) ...

[OgnennyiKotik]

Used ones are usually very budgetary modernized, the same F16s are brought to the level of block 50/52 + restoration of the airframe and engine resource. But this is a temporary solution, for countries with very little air force.

[air defense]

There was recently a report on the crash of the F-35A, the plane was estimated at 175 million.

On the night of 19 May 2020 at 2126L, the mishap aircraft (MA), an F-35A aircraft tail number
(T / N) 12-005053 crashed on runway 30 at Eglin Air Force Base (AFB), Florida (FL). The MA
was operated out of Eglin AFB, FL by the 58th Fighter Squadron (FS), 33rd Operations Group
(OG), assigned to the 33rd Fighter Wing. The mishap pilot (MP) ejected safely but sustained
nonlife threatening injuries. The MA, valued at $ 175,983,949, rolled, caught fire, and was
completely destroyed
https://www.airforcemag.com/app/uploads/2020/10/Eglin-AFB-F35A-AIB-Report_Signed.pdf

[Liam]

All this costs a lot more than the planes themselves.

[OgnennyiKotik]

Yeah, 80-90 for the plane, 100-110 everything else. Poland has younger planes, a lot is suitable. The same AIM-120. Therefore, the contract is cheaper.

[Liam]

There are a lot of politics in these issues. For example, Poland has located bases on its territory and for this it receives discounts on supplies, etc., etc.

[OgnennyiKotik]

Quote: Liam

There is also a lot of politics in these issues.

Nothing personal, it's just business.
Too lazy to look for a Polish contract, but there the range of products supplied is much smaller, like without weapons. What is on the Polish F16, partly fits on the F35.

[Liam]

Quote: OgnennyiKotik

Nothing personal, it's just business.

It is worth remembering that the price of the F-35 differs depending on the buyer. For USAF and initial foreign participants of the program, it is cheaper. For the rest, it is more expensive. Finland is in the second category.

[OgnennyiKotik]

Quote: Liam

For the USAF and initial foreign participants, the program is cheaper.

Well, they have already invested money. It's like in a crossfound or pre-order, before the product goes free sale the price is lower.

[Charik]

Also, a system of lack of oxygen for the pilot, a blinding system built into a multi-digital helmet, well, and on the little things jambs (Chinese software, etc., etc.)

[OgnennyiKotik]

Here's what they proposed with the Super Hornets:

One hundred and sixty six (166) F414-GE-400 engines (144 installed and 22 spare); five hundred (500) small diameter bombs GBU-53 / B II (SDB II) All-Up Round (AUR); twelve (12) GBU-53 / B SDB II (GTV) guided testing machines; twelve (12) GBU-53 / B SDB II grip reliability trainers; one hundred fifty (150) tactical missiles AIM-9X Block II Sidewinder; thirty-two (32) AIM-9X Block II Sidewinder captive Air training (Catms) training missiles; thirty (30) AIM-9X Block II Sidewinder tactical guidance units; eight (8) guidance blocks AIM-9X Block II Sidewinder CATM; one hundred sixty (160) AGM-154C-1 Joint Stand Off Weapons (JSOW); two hundred (200) AGM-158B-2B Joint Air-to-Surface Standoff Missile Extended Range All Up Rounds (JASSM ER AUR); Two (2) AGM-158B-2 JASSM Separation Test Vehicles (STV) Two (2) AGM-158B-2 JASSM Instrumentated Test Vehicles (ITV) two (2) AGM-158B-2 JASSM Jettison Test vehicles (JTV); two (2) AGM-158B-2 inert joint air-to-surface missiles with telemetry kits; two (2) AGM-158B-2 JASSM (DATM) maintenance training missiles; one hundred twenty (120) Blu-117B / B 2000lb GP bombs; one hundred twenty (120) sets of tail bombs KMU-556F / B (JDAM); three hundred (300) FMU-139D / B fuses; two (2) KMU-556 (D-2) / B (JDAM) simulators; thirty (30) BLU-109C / B 2000LB bombs; thirty (30) sets of KMU-557F / B (JDAM) tail bombs; two (2) BLU-109 (D-1) / B 2000LB bombs; one hundred and two (102) BLU-111B / BB 500lb bombs general purpose bombs; one hundred and two (102) tail sets of KMU-572f / b JDAM bombs; six (6) MK-82-0,1 500lb, general purpose bombs, inert; fifty one (51) Blu-110B / b 1000lb general purpose bombs; fifty (50) tail bomb kits KMU-559f / b; fifty-eight (58) 20mm M61A2 cannon complexes; thirty-two (32) advanced sighting far infrared (ATFLIR); thirty two (32) sniper sighting modules; fourteen (14) advanced electronic attack kits for the EA-18G; sixty-five (65) AN / ALR-67 (V) 3 reception complexes for electric warfare countermeasures; sixty-five (65) AN / ALQ-214 Integrated Countermeasure Systems; seventy-four (74) multifunctional information distribution systems-joint tactical radio systems (MIDS JTRS); eighty-nine (89) Joint Helmet Guidance Systems (JHMCS); three hundred seventy-seven (377) launchers of Lau-127e / A guided missiles; seventy-four (74) AN / AYK-29 distributed guidance processors (DTP - N); twenty-five (25) Infrared Search and Tracking Systems (IRST); and eight (8) Next Generation Medium Jamming (NGJ-MB) kits.

[Liam]

Quote: Engineer

They don't want to get cheaper.

It depends on the package. In particular, in addition to the aircraft themselves, there are 66 engines separately, various weapons and operational communication systems, etc. By the way, Boeing's package of proposals for the F-18 is not cheaper. And these are still different generations.

Quote: Engineer

strangely

Nothing strange. It's just Lockheed's offer to participate in the Finnish competition. There Gripen and others. The Finns have not chosen yet, but only collect proposals

[Engineer]

Good luck to Gripen then. More planes. Good and different. Lightning has a guaranteed future

[Liam]

The Finns will be determined in 2021, and Gripen has little chance.
As for the price of deliveries, these figures are not even a pitchfork on the water, which is for the Finns and for the Poles. The Finns limit according to the program is 12 yards and they will choose who will offer more within this figure. And the numbers of Lockheed and Boeing are preliminary approval of the Congress. They initially beat the good for a larger amount so as not to repeat the procedure 2 times if the contract with the Finns differs from the original conditions.
The real amount of supplies will be only after negotiations with the Finns

[Dude]

In general, it is strange that it is not Gripen.

I think pressure from across the ocean. SAAB has been wetting from there for a long time - no one needs competitors

[Ded_Mazay]

It was 2020, the United States continued to sell its worthless "penguin" F-35 to satellites ...

[OgnennyiKotik]

Well, you need to rejoice!

[Ded_Mazay]

Quote: OgnennyiKotik

Well, you need to rejoice!

Why should I be happy? Moving JSF Program closer to ROI? Oh, thank you. I would have preferred to see her complete commercial failure.

[The eye of the crying]

Quote: Ded_Mazay

Why should I be happy? Moving JSF Program closer to ROI?

Sure. Imagine if this worthless flying penguin's program didn’t pay off - then the next time the States would have to make a usable plane!

[Ded_Mazay]

Quote: Eye of the Crying

Sure. Imagine if this worthless flying penguin's program didn’t pay off - then the next time the States would have to make a usable plane!

Considering the "disco" happening in the states, the next may not be ...

[The eye of the crying]

The collapse of capitalism is generally inevitable.

[3danimal]

The main thing is to believe in him

[Rubi0]

The main thing is that contracts for 100 billion, in 20 30 years who will remember that they are unfinished, will still be rearmed with some kind of F-50

[Bagatur]

Just like the USSR was pushing its own satellite technique on air traffic.

[Ded_Mazay]

Quote: bagatura

Just like the USSR was pushing its own satellite technique on air traffic.

During the ejection, Soviet fighters did not break the necks of their pilots, weighing less than 60 kg, and their glider did not threaten to collapse from the loads when moving at supersonic speed.

[Bagatur]

Oh well! What about selection? No! Only one Czech Republic allowed its CZ as the main weapon of a soldier. You can eat problems with catapults .. but this does not mean that everything is from the USSR at the world level!

[3danimal]

Let me remind you that CZ - makes some of the best pistols (at least) in the world. It's like saying that only Austria allowed the soldiers to have the Glock in service.

[hydrox]

And why does a soldier need a pistol (especially one like the Glock) - can you say?

[3danimal]

A backup weapon in many armies. What's wrong with the Glock? Great pistol. Lighter than Yarygin and CZ-75, more convenient when shooting than GSh-18 (experience is available). And very hardy. In the shooting range, Glocks are handed over for repair after about 80-100 thousand shots, the General Staff - after 10 thousand.

[hydrox]

I have not met in the Russian army ...

[hydrox]

In fact, a soldier has a weapon to which he is attached (cannon, tank, mortar, M16, in the end ...) so that he, a soldier, wielding such a weapon, inflicts damage on the enemy, leading him to the battlefield from building in quantities larger than one, and from the Glock he can only shoot himself, but he is not a kamikaze?
But it's good that the Glock will get into the military arsenals at least in this way ...

[3danimal]

Well, an outdated, weak, low-load PM is more suitable for shooting.
And really, why are pistols in the army at all? You can send a recommendation to the MO, otherwise they, unreasonable, will buy
https://m.tvzvezda.ru/news/forces/content/201901311501-mil-ru-vif9l.html/amp/
I have enough childhood illnesses, but I think they are treatable.

[3danimal]

What kind of aircraft are we talking about? Maybe F-4, 15 or 16?

[Ded_Mazay]

And what kind of plane is the article talking about?

[3danimal]

during the ejection did not break the necks of their pilots weighing less than 60 kg

How many F-35s broke their neck?

[Ded_Mazay]

Quote: 3danimal

How many F-35s broke their neck?

If you are so interested, you can search for the corresponding Defense News publication from 2015 yourself.

[3danimal]

Found only this article.
https://nplus1.ru/news/2015/10/02/f35/amp
The link to Defense News is "empty", there is no article.

It is currently known that one pilot was banned from flying F-35 fighters by the Pentagon.
Martin-Baker and F-35 developer Lockheed Martin are currently working on the design of the seat ...

I believe that in 5 years the problem was solved and the ban was lifted from the unfortunate pilot.
General gist: problems are solvable and not critical. And all new planes have childhood illnesses.

[The eye of the crying]

Quote: Ded_Mazay

the glider did not threaten to collapse from the loads when driving at supersonic.

What American aircraft glider threatened to collapse?

[Ded_Mazay]

Read the title of the article.

[hydrox]

It is somehow indecent, when reading and commenting on VO, not to know the materials widely discussed on VO ...

[The eye of the crying]

Even at VO there was no news that the F-35 airframe was falling apart.

[Dude]

Quote: Ded_Mazay

It was 2020, the United States continued to sell its worthless "penguin" F-35 to satellites ...

... But let's pay tribute to their gift of persuasion - they succeed!
Although, the device is frankly problematic.

[Ded_Mazay]

Quote: Dude

Although, the device is frankly problematic.

You put it mildly.

[3danimal]

All new vehicles are problematic, the Su-57 is no exception. But problems are being solved.

[Ded_Mazay]

Quote: 3danimal

All new vehicles are problematic, the Su-57 is no exception. But problems are being solved.

They decide to decide, but only not everything can be solved.
For example, the Pentagon has apparently decided to ignore the problem of damage to individual elements of the fuselage during prolonged supersonic flight - it is too expensive.

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Unfinished "Lightning". Why the F-35 will remain the most unsuccessful fighter https://ria.ru/20201008/istrebitel-f-35-1578669097.html

[3danimal]

Ria.ru is not the most objective resource
Problems can be solved. F-22 flies to itself.

[hydrox]

If Russia had such budgets for the maintenance of satellites and incendiary activity, like our sworn "friends", our managers would sing worse than nightingales, and while we are wrapping ourselves in rag rugs without pants (I’m not talking about yitku) - and we have songs " thinner than a mosquito squeak "

[Knell wardenheart]

It seems to me that from this side we certainly have nothing to fear. The Finns live too well and are too weak militarily to participate in any coalition against the Russian Federation. Simply because from abroad, their population and infrastructure will arrive in the first place. Plus, do not forget about the generally calm Russian-Finnish relations for 75 years now.
It is also worthwhile to understand that the presence of a generally neutral state so close to our borders of "stealth" is to a certain extent even beneficial for us, because if this technique is to fly and operate, we will collect the amount of data regarding the possibilities of our detection of it at different conditions, and we will also have the opportunity to get information about the problems of operating the F-35 in cold climates and high humidity.

[Dude]

It is also worth understanding that the presence of a generally neutral state so close to our borders "stealth" is to a certain extent even beneficial for us

I don’t think so. Despite all the problems, it has a certain (and, taking into account the theater of operations) sufficient (especially with a quantitative superiority) strike potential. So, I don't agree with this objection.

... we will collect data on our ability to detect it under various conditions

Again, doubtful. The use of all known methods for increasing the ESR eliminates this plus.

... to get information on the problems of operating the F-35 in cold climates and high humidity.

good, but this is a double-edged sword - on the other hand, they are also not kindergarteners, they will collect, analyze, etc.

The Finns live too well and are too weak militarily to participate in any coalition against the Russian Federation. Simply because from outside the common border, their population and infrastructure will arrive first. Plus, do not forget about the generally calm Russian-Finnish relations for 75 years now.

Here - everything is in the hole

[akarfoxhound]

What was the last paragraph of the author? What are we all threatening? My dear, and you are aware that the army is generally located along the perimeter of its borders, speaking exaggeratedly. And what, the Finnish Air Force around Helsinki "cooperate" so that you don't bother me dear? And when the Finns MiG-15 and MiG-21 bought - the Swedes had to do it, and the Swedish Drakens J-35 - us again? And that the Finns are at our borders - here are the rads, right ?!
The main title of the article is to play loudly, the fact that in the content of the article itself, the generalizations of the author's rhetoric in themselves are no longer important. What else can you throw yellow on the war theme?

[Dude]

... the army is generally located along the perimeter of its borders, speaking exaggeratedly

Well, it hurts too much you exaggerate

[Alexey RA]

Quote: akarfoxhound

What was the last paragraph of the author? What are we all threatening? My dear, and you are aware that the army is generally located along the perimeter of its borders, speaking exaggeratedly. And what, the Finnish Air Force around Helsinki "cooperate" so that you don't bother me dear? And when the Finns MiG-15 and MiG-21 bought - the Swedes had to do it, and the Swedish Drakens J-35 - us again? And that the Finns are at our borders - here are the rads, right ?!

The funny thing is that, talking about the sudden threat from Finland, the author somehow missed one small fact: for 16 years St. Petersburg has been located 135 km from the border with a NATO country.

By the way, in Soviet times, in spite of all the Finnish neutrality, the density of air defense on the Karelian Isthmus was, perhaps, the highest - if we take all the “air defense concrete” A-120 / A-181. They even wanted to put two Dali's out of three.

[Angelo Provolone]

we urgently need to help the Cubans develop their operational - tactical missile. Well, or at least Iran. Iran USA loves to eat as much as can not.

[aries2200]

it's time to build a civil airport near the Bering Strait

[Gardamir]

Eh, it's a pity there was no tyrnet in 1941, otherwise some site "Review of the Military", with its comments, would have intimidated Hitler.

[Kerensky]

Finns buy up quite easily. On weekends in Vyborg, you can recruit them by bus before lunchtime. And in St. Petersburg, in PPCh, in the morning I sewed two floors per liter.

[Dude]

Quote: Kerensky

Finns buy up quite easily. On weekends in Vyborg, you can recruit them by bus before lunchtime. And in St. Petersburg, in PPCh, in the morning I sewed two floors per liter.

Bus?! Yes, there, for such a purpose, a metro line can be built, and then there will be queues

[Kerensky]

Well, I say that 100% of the personnel of all aerodromes have long been recruited. And if you need to rip off something from the Penguin and shove it into your pockets, they shove it up and take it out, the Finns are very honest people, you can be calm ...

[askort154]

The US State Department has approved the likely delivery of 64 F-35 aircraft to Finland for $ 12,5 billion, as well as 58 F / A-18 E / F Super Hornets and 14 EA-18G Growlers worth $ 14,7 billion.

Here are the results of the modern information war. To intimidate the whole world with "aggressive Russia", and then impose on him his "super weapon" - precisely against Russia. And those who do not have "cash", they are offered their loans. One thing is surprising, how many countries-suckers are being led to this, and what "kickbacks" the participants in these transactions receive. I remember that the last time it was revealed by the Japanese (in the 70s), for a deal with the United States on "lockheed", where a bribe of 40 billion dl was revealed. Then they found the "extreme", and put someone in prison, now it's already forgotten. And the "marketing" of the United States, since then, has become more effective at times. Even the Estonian-Finnish "long-thinking guys" fell for it.

[3danimal]

Intimidate the whole world with "aggressive Russia"

Russia is not aggressive, it just wants to restore historical justice (in its understanding) and take what, again, it considers its own. But for a number of neighboring countries, this approach seems dangerous.

[Pavel57]

And before the Finnish F-18 flew to St. Petersburg slower?

[voyaka uh]

It's not about speed. And in visibility for air defense.
Drones fly over Karabakh slowly, like turtles. But the air defense does not catch them, as you have seen many times from drone videos.

[Pavel57]

What should already be considered a surprise attack by Finland on Russia?

[voyaka uh]

Of course not. I just technically compared the F-18 and the F-35.

[Bagatur]

Russian VKS for Finland is what? Isn't it a threat? Each from his own country looks ...

[Dude]

Russian VKS for Finland is what? Isn't it a threat? Each from his own country looks ...

Uh ... Can you tell me when was the last aggravation of Russian-Finnish international relations? Or when Russia threatened to use force against Finland, and vice versa?
I will remind you - 80 years ago.
So do not muddy the water, especially, do not try to catch a fish in muddy (by your efforts) water
Finland and Russia, long ago, learned to live peacefully side by side.
Yes, I understand, you are like a sickle ...

[silverwolf88]

flight time excluding air defense, of course))) as well as taking into account the military district complexes and they will be seen on takeoff ... then destruction is a matter of technology ...

[karima]

Actually, an incomprehensible horror story. According to an almost unanimous verdict (just like in the elections) of VO specialists, Lightning, like a military plane, did not take place. Who didn't like the face, who didn't like the profile. And the paint of the fox (Fox male) is full. What are they worried about, do not understand.

[voyaka uh]

The paint is gray, boring. Depressive. There is no zest.
But how many beautiful camouflage options exist!

[Lord of the Sith]

What's the use? Yankees advertise their guns as weapons, although these are quite mediocre aircraft, especially export ones.
This is primarily a commodity, and only then a weapon. Finns will bash money, Russia will shrug its shoulders and deploy S-500 complexes in the Western Military District

[3danimal]

although these are quite mediocre aircraft, especially export ones.

Show the analogue of the F-35b, with its range, avionics / airborne radar, low visibility and the possibility of UVVP (for some it is critical) - "tall".
Model A, again, is a kind of F-18 in the BVB, but it is incomparable in avionics / airborne radar, stealth with most aircraft. Strike missions, long-range / medium air combat - here he has advantages.

[bobba94]

To paraphrase an old anecdote about an elephant ... ... he will fly, but who will give him ...

[3danimal]

We recall the Iraqi air defense in 1991 (the strongest in the region). F-117 flew

[Deniso]

Now these Finnish aircraft will be taken to escort our air defense already during the takeoff run to the runway, as during the aircraft crisis with Turkey. Let's see how strong the eggs of the Finnish pilots are so that they can take off when an annunciator about aiming at you by air defense systems breaks out in your cockpit?

[mitroha]

[quote = Dude] [/ quote]
Excuse me, I, of course, flared up, and this does not apply to neutral countries, but you must agree, I am not MO.
for those countries that are pursuing an anti-Russian policy, this should become a priori

[Alexey from Perm]

Where there is Gorbachev with his new thinking, it would be good for him to read this before he died.

[Mimino]

Why fly up to him? Not one will be substituted under the air defense. And you can launch a missile at a target from afar, it will fly even faster.

[hydrox]

I knew Seryozha Shekhovtsov in the ZabVO in the early 60s, they were friends - he was a very, very smart guy ...

[Ilya_Nsk]

Will appear and what? You just need to shoot them down on takeoff, which, in general, is quite a solvable task for the C-300 ++. And on the runway, send a pair of Iskander