Azerbaijan showed how Armenians were deprived of their long-range artillery

Ministry of Defense of Azerbaijan continues to publish video of destruction of armaments and equipment of the Armenian army aviation... The videos are posted on the official channel of the Azerbaijani military department on YouTube.

The Ministry of Defense of Azerbaijan reports that the first two videos show the destruction of military equipment of the Armenian army, which violated the ceasefire agreement that entered into force on October 12, 00 at 10:2020. The first video shows the impact drone on artillery positions, in the second, an MT-LB with installed anti-aircraft guns ZU-23 and M-55 of the Armed Forces of Armenia comes under attack.

It is stated on social networks that all the equipment and weapons in this video were destroyed with the help of Bayraktar TB2 drones (Banner - tour.), Purchased by Azerbaijan from Turkey. Application possible drones-kamikaze, also massively purchased by Baku and used during the military conflict in Nagorno-Karabakh.

The third video shows the destruction of enemy heavy armored vehicles. The Azerbaijani military say that an entire armored unit of the enemy was destroyed. Where the strikes were struck was not reported.

Note that the massive use of unmanned aerial vehicles by the Azerbaijani army to destroy enemy armored vehicles and weapons in the absence of air defense systems capable of shooting them down, causes significant damage to the Armenian army. American experts believe that Azerbaijan did not follow the path of the United States, which uses UAVs to deliver pinpoint strikes, but began their massive use by purchasing kamikaze drones from Israel and shock drones from Turkey.

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[MKPU-115]

Quote: Hyperion

Baku continues to publish video of Armenian armored vehicles being destroyed by UAVs

And among the Armenians, as a rule, only textual reports are given, such as: the army smashes the enemy, victory will be ours ...
Armenians, Armenians ...

Thank you, neighing.
We are waiting for the US to start helping them, Armenians.
We wait further, maybe they will wiser.

[Nikolaevich I]

Hmmm ...! The "logic" of idiocy in "all its glory"! And here it is not just "idiocy", but idiocy, multiplied by outrageous arrogance!

[Shurik70]

In the video of the destruction of the guns that allegedly violated the "ceasefire" - not a single person is near the guns. The weapon boxes are farther away, not side by side.
The Azerbaijanis are making noise.

[private person]

and one person near the guns. The weapon boxes are farther away, not side by side.

So the shells are never stored next to the gun. Do you think that the crews of the guns, seeing something in the sky that came to bomb them, will continue to stand, in vain think so.

[Shurik70]

Quote: private person

So the shells are never stored next to the gun. Do you think that the crews of the guns, seeing something in the sky that came to bomb them, will continue to stand, in vain think so.

That they fled from a kamikaze drone is likely (although if Azerbaijan had a video of soldiers scattering, they would have published it for sure). But when firing, at least one box from which the shells are fed must be near the gun. This makes it faster to feed the shells.

[RUSS]

Quote: Shurik70

That fled from a kamikaze drone -

The work of a non-kamikaze drone is shown.

[Shurik70]

Quote: RUSS

Shown not a kamikaze drone

Attack drone attacks with missiles. Such an attack is sudden, which is clearly visible from the attack of armored vehicles and the infantry accompanying it - the soldiers tried to look for cover only at the last second.
Such a rocket leaves a clearly visible trail of air. If you look frame by frame, this trace is visible before the explosion of armored vehicles.
The kamikaze drone leaves no air traces. But it is perfectly audible long before the impact. There are no air trails in the video of the destruction of the weapons, just an explosion. So it's either a projectile or a kamikaze drone.

[vadim dok]

Of course, this is not a kamikaze drone! If you see an explosion of ammunition, then this is a shock UAV! The kamikaze camera disappears along with the explosion of the b / p.

[Lopatov]

Quote: Shurik70

- not a single person near the guns.

What should they do there?
They sit somewhere.

[genisis]

Tell me, as a competent person, the title of the article says that the videos show how Armenians are deprived of long-range artillery. Long-range artillery - this is MTLB so ominously called. Or am I missing something in the video?
How do you like this shot?

This is probably an Armenian Peony? ))

[genisis]

I understand that many really missed the work of the Armenian artillerymen.
Fix







I agree that unmanned cinema is much more colorful, but only people are at war, and not filmed.
For ethical reasons, I do not post a video with the dead enemy soldiers, you can watch it yourself at the link
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGXQ_rvQRyug7VvoFtZd_1g

[DMM2006]

Thank you. They just warmed my soul. And then after reading the article and watching the Azeri video, it somehow became bad.

[Bakinec]

Yes, you do not worry, we have a lot of missiles, and you can play with MTLB.

[icant007]

Quote: Shurik70

and the video on the destruction of the guns that allegedly violated the "ceasefire" - not a single person near the guns. The weapon boxes are farther away, not side by side.
The Azerbaijanis are making noise.

No, they are just great humanists. They are waiting for when there will be no one near the guns

[genisis]

But your fellow tribesmen are real non-humans. The Azerbaijani DRG entered Hadrut this morning in order to confirm Aliyev's words about the capture of Hadrut. By evening they were kicked out of Hadrut. But an Azerbaijani special forces soldier would not be himself if he did not commit some abomination. In 2016, they entered Talysh, stayed there for several hours, but managed to kill three helpless old men and cut off their ears. Today we spent several hours in Hadrut, and killed a woman and her disabled son.
Kill old people, mutilate their bodies, cut off the soldier's head and ride with it in a bag around Azerbaijan, brag and post videos on the network, fire at the Temple and then proudly declare: "What is with your inauguration place now?" (I. Aliyev, addressing Artsakh President Araik Harutyunyan), to kill a defenseless woman and her disabled son.
Is it proposed to negotiate with this beast?
Artsakh people are invited to return to this abode of evil on the basis of broad autonomy?
This is the true level of the Azerbaijani army.
Aliyev in suit giving an interview to the BBC and CNN
Hikmet Hajiyev in a suit, rasping that the Armenians themselves shot their own Cathedral.
And in fact - stupid, evil, cowardly savages, with a disturbed psyche, enjoying the suffering of the weak and defenseless.
You know why you do not see terrorists from the banned in Russia An-Nusra or Nureddin al-Zinki.
Because you and they are the same biomass.
Rot is impossible to see in a heap of rot.

[Bakinec]

The more the Armenian troops retreat, the dirtier the fakes of the Armenian agitprop or henchmen like Pegov become. And the more bile and poison are released by animals and rot (this is by the way your expressions) like you.

[Bakinec]

Night shelling of Ganja. And where is the airport with the mythical F16 here?
Keep: https://oxu.az/war/429943

[icant007]

The problem of Karabakh is not in the territory, but in the hostility that the Armenians have towards Azerbaijanis, considering them savages, barbarians, second-class people.


Here is the testimony of an Armenian woman about the Sumgayit events:
"And in the evening we celebrated my birthday, there were many guests, and then, somewhere around eleven o'clock, we hear some screams in the street, noise, glass beating ... We went out onto the balcony - and there was a demonstration, and They shout: “Down with the Armenians from Azerbaijan!” Well, I got angry and shouted: “Down with the Azerbaijanis from Azerbaijan!” I was also born in Azerbaijan, and I have the same rights as they do. We are equal. we live in the Soviet Union anyway. Well, I screamed. Well, I also said: "You pigs ... you were pigs, pigs and you will remain, you will never turn into people""

http://sumgait.info/sumgait/the-sumgait-tragedy/sumgait-tragedy-avanesian-marina.htm

And there are scumbags in every nation.
I'm sorry that overwhelming pride and a sense of exclusivity overshadowed your mind.
You will notice how the supporters of Azerbaijan and Armenia communicate on the site.
The former are usually quite correct. And the latter often descend to insults.
Here you are, for example.
And who is then a savage.

[Vasya Lozhkin]

Tales from the Armenian radio. "Disabled, old woman, pensioners" - now everyone will start crying

[ashot1973]

Agree from A to Z ...!

[DMM2006]

I fully support you. The beast is the beast.

[Vasya Lozhkin]

No, the Armenians are already afraid to approach their tanks and guns. What's the point, you won't have time to see the enemy, and a rocket flew on your head. Therefore, the tanks are immediately thrown as soon as the first one is destroyed by the Azeri. Most of the tanks with open hatches were abandoned by the crews.

[Egor53]

End your Armenian propaganda Shurik70.
In one of the videos of the destruction of an Armenian long-range cannon, about 8 soldiers were running around ... they rest in peace.
The Armenians are beaten in full, and deservedly so. At this rate, in a month neither Karabakh nor Armenia will have any military equipment at all.
It's not about Karabakh. The Armenians occupied 7 regions of Azerbaijan and drove out about a million local residents - Azerbaijanis. And that was 24 - 28 years ago. And you, Armenians, are then indignant at the fact that Azerbaijan wants to reclaim its territories?
And he will win back, God will help them.
You also expelled all non-Armenians from your Armenia.

For your information, I am Russian, Orthodox, and I have no Azerbaijani relatives.

[kenig1]

I already remember this - I am the daughter of a Russian sailor.

[Cottager452]

Did the Turks make a discount on booze?

[Vasya Lozhkin]

You don't have to judge by yourself

[poquello]

Quote: Egor53

And he will win back, God will help them.

Allah, and temples are like toilets, and the Armenian peacekeeper is like terrorists.
For reference, this Azerbaijani woman gave it away in Solovyov’s program.

[Vasya Lozhkin]

There is no need for correspondents with soldiers to hide in temples. This is war

[poquello]

Quote: Vasya Lozhkin

There is no need for correspondents with soldiers to hide in temples. This is war

They don’t beat them in the balls, but why don’t they beat them - this is a fight? there are certain rules, moral norms

[Vadim_888]

They just beat on the territory of Karabakh, and not on the territory of the occupied regions

[icant007]

Quote: Vadim_888

They just beat on the territory of Karabakh, and not on the territory of the occupied regions

In war, as in war. This is not a football field, the referee does not run here, and does not give yellow cards.

[Elturisto]

Another son of an officer, do not overstrain yourself ...

[Roman1970_1]

Apparently one of us needs an ophthalmologist. I saw people near the tank in the last video

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Roman1970_1

Apparently one of us needs an ophthalmologist. I saw people near the tank in the last video

It's about artillery, not tanks. Behind the third destroyed weapon, something flashes, and the fighter in the trench skids, and so the calculations all hid.

[poquello]

Quote: Shurik70

In the video of the destruction of the guns that allegedly violated the "ceasefire" - not a single person is near the guns. The weapon boxes are farther away, not side by side.
The Azerbaijanis are making noise.

along the way, these aziki show how they violate the agreement

[seregin-s1]

The first two plots are reversed. First after, then the first blow.

[sustav75]

The worst thing is that so many Armenians think about Russia! Blame, period! Give them free rein and they will demolish our base in Gyumri in minutes! And in the forefront they will run and smash everything, such are the offended Armenian women! They would be more happy to see bases with French or American military! Russians are barbarians for people like her.

[maiman61]

Bastards! The mouth was opened! Nothing! Azerbaijanis will kick their brains and will be smarter!

[Lara Croft]

Quote: sustav75

The worst thing is that so many Armenians think about Russia! Blame, period!

Neither they are the first, nor they are the last .... I will not be surprised if someday there will be a museum of "Soviet Occupation" in the center of Yerevan, for example, in the center of Tbilisi there is such a long time ago ...

If in the history of peoples that exist thanks to the Republic of Ingushetia / USSR Russia is an occupier, then what should we do in Armenia.
In no country where our World Banks are located can we influence the domestic and foreign policies of these countries ...
The "empiricalists" cannot have this in nature, because Taxpayers of "empirical" countries will immediately ask their Governments what their Armed Forces are doing in a country where locals consider them "scammers" ...
The Armenians do not recognize the NKR themselves, fearing Western sanctions as an independent state, they chose a pro-Western president who, with the "Elk" Party ("Exit"), first advocated rapprochement with the EU, and then for Armenia's withdrawal from the EAU .... and now expect a Russian soldier to die for lands alien to the Armenians themselves,

What was the Russian Federation guided by when it extended the Treaty on Mutual Military Assistance until 2044 with Armenia, not knowing what political force will be in Armenia tomorrow ...

[Pavlos Melas]

Quote: Lara Croft

Quote: sustav75

The worst thing is that so many Armenians think about Russia! Blame, period!

Neither they are the first, nor they are the last .... I will not be surprised if someday there will be a museum of "Soviet Occupation" in the center of Yerevan, for example, in the center of Tbilisi there is such a long time ago ...

If in the history of peoples that exist thanks to the Republic of Ingushetia / USSR Russia is an occupier, then what should we do in Armenia.
In no country where our World Banks are located can we influence the domestic and foreign policies of these countries ...
The "empiricalists" cannot have this in nature, because Taxpayers of "empirical" countries will immediately ask their Governments what their Armed Forces are doing in a country where locals consider them "scammers" ...
The Armenians do not recognize the NKR themselves, fearing Western sanctions as an independent state, they chose a pro-Western president who, with the "Elk" Party ("Exit"), first advocated rapprochement with the EU, and then for Armenia's withdrawal from the EAU .... and now expect a Russian soldier to die for lands alien to the Armenians themselves,

What was the Russian Federation guided by when it extended the Treaty on Mutual Military Assistance until 2044 with Armenia, not knowing what political force will be in Armenia tomorrow ...

Excuse me for writing under your comment, but I have a question how well how could it possibly be that a Russophobic government appeared in Armenia and why Russian diplomats didn’t have their heads flying. Having such a large Armenian diaspora in Russia, it turns out the tail twists the dog. Well, for Lavrov, this should have been the end of his career, probably ...

[New Year day]

Quote: Pavlos Melas

but I have a question how well how could it possibly be that a Russophobic government appeared in Armenia and why Russian diplomats "didn’t have heads"

Is it only in Armenia? - Ukraine, Moldova, Kazakhstan, Georgia, Azerbaijan. The Caucasus will soon become the "Baltic". The result of 20 years of "breakthrough and jerking", but "no time to swing"

[sustav75]

With Ukraine in general, sheer hell! The Russian language is banned at every corner! And this is in the east "Square"! The American military is prowling all over the territory, as if at home! Clowns and smeshariki are in power! NATO instructors are preparing fashionable thugs for the return of Crimea and the cleanup of Donbass! The stick will shoot, someday, and ours are shackled by sanctions! We are afraid of unnecessary movements! "Strategic thinking" type at work! And I think that not only the "zircons" should be bragged, but the Foreign Ministry and Lavrov should also behave more actively and harder! And then some Poles expose us frantic bills in billions! And the most offensive thing is that we are paying these fines!

[16329]

This is a normal result of the collapse of the USSR. If tomorrow any region is separated from Russia, then it will inevitably turn into a system hostile to Russia, otherwise why would it have to be separated.
At the same time, any pro-Russian movement in any of the breakaway republics will ultimately be considered anti-state.
By the way, please remember what the relationship between the United States and Great Britain was like for about 100 years after the independence of the USA.

[Lara Croft]

Quote: Pavlos Melas

for Lavrov it is should have been career decline, probably ...

And for a long time ...

[chingachguc]

In Georgia, there is a museum of the Soviet occupation, but at the same time Stalin is a national hero. How does it fit in their heads?

[Vadim_888]

... In Georgia, there is a museum of the Soviet occupation, but at the same time Stalin is a national hero. How does it fit in their heads?

So these are Georgians, who will understand them there ...

[hydrox]

Who knows: Russians would also like to honor Stalin as a national hero, seeing how the wealth of the people is being plundered, and thieves are blaspheming in power, keeping the population on a hunger ration ...

[Revolver]

Quote: chingachguc

In Georgia, there is a museum of the Soviet occupation, but at the same time Stalin is a national hero. How does it fit in their heads?

Hero? Yes, he is a fiend for these shitcrats. The monument to Stalin in Gori was demolished. And this despite the fact that Stalin is the only Georgian whom the whole world knows and remembers (good or bad - that's another topic). Not Queen Tamara or Rustaveli there, and not even Prince Bagration, but Stalin. Even those for whom Georgia is an American state in the first, and even in the only place, know.

[vadim dok]

Griboyedov warned!

[Alena-Baku]

Armenians shouted Putin terrorist in Paris today
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=4074150875934298&id=100000182783345

[hydrox]

The fact that the Armenians would oppose Russia, voting together for Russophobic reforms, was known even before Nicholas I ascended the Armenian throne.
The Russians just have to lock themselves in the territory of two Armenian bases and shut up - after 2 days the state of Armenia will cease to exist - everyone understands who will do this if Russia keeps silent at least once?
That's right, Sultan.
And I remind you: the lands of Nagorno-Karabakh were donated to the possession of the Russian Empire as a sign of guilt for the murder of the RUSSIAN ambassador to Persian territory by Persian terrorists led by Great Britain.

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: Alena-Baku

Armenians shouted Putin terrorist in Paris today
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=4074150875934298&id=100000182783345

I vashsche bastard ... They there, in the State Department, do not think at all, composing manuals ?.
Armenians and Azerbaijanis enthusiastically beat each other, America pits them against Turkey, and the terrorist - Putin, it turns out ...

If only to let the "wind in your pants" ...

[ashot1973]

Armenians shouted Putin terrorist in Paris today

-rzhu can not from your un ... th
Another sound production by Azeri propagandists ... Was this something AZERFILM filmed, or what ???
https://ru.armeniasputnik.am/karabah/20201010/24842921/Vo-Frantsii-armyane-provodyat-aktsiyu-v-podderzhku-v-Karabakhe.html
Well, where is Putin shouting terrorist ???

[Goffman]

Or maybe, Azeris simply have more "media" weapons and, technically, give more pictures when they are used. Well, they throw them into the net. And when the Armenian artillery works, if it is possible to remove something, then it must be separately achieved, not always and not everywhere. But the "holiday" and she on the other side arranges a good one, IMHO.

[Hypertension]

Quote: Gofman

But the "holiday" and she on the other side arranges a good one, IMHO.

How to check? Just believe. Text messages about incredible damage. But, as you know, it is better to see once ...

[Boris ⁣ Shaver]

Quote: Hyperion

How to check? Only believe

How not to check directly.
How to check directly the figures from the Azerbaijani media? The fact is that with the help of video they have confirmed no more than a few percent of the declared losses of the Armenian side. The rest you are just as invited to take on faith. But here is an even more dastardly question: if drones have clicked on so many things, then why aren't videos posted for each declared unit? At this point, the lack of a camera from the gunner is no excuse. And, again, this question is about the overwhelming majority of supposedly destroyed targets.
If you look for the truth, and not engage in propaganda in the interests of one of the parties, then here you can more or less reliably operate only with indirect data. Like the speed of advancement of the Azerbaijani army or the hasty replenishment of meat and Syria and additional weapons from Israel and Turkey. If there are no significant territorial successes, if the weapons purchased for the operation were not enough, if it was necessary to hastily replenish the ranks of Syrian terrorists already in the first days of the operation, then the operation did not go according to plan. This is a simple and objective conclusion.

[Albay]

Boris, how do you draw conclusions about the slow advance of the Azerbaijani army?
On the very first day, Mount Murov, Omar Pass, was liberated, the city of Jebrail, dozens of villages and strategic heights were liberated, Hadrut was liberated, a multi-kilometer line of defense in the mountains fortified for 30 years was completely destroyed - is that not enough?
All this is done with minimal losses. Do you have an idea of ​​a war in the mountains? Here heights and mountains are more important, rather than settlements.
After the capture of Gadrut, the issue of liberating Fizuli is a couple of three days. Agdere is also surrounded and also almost liberated
Where are the mercenaries?

[Boris ⁣ Shaver]

Quote: Albay

Boris, how do you draw conclusions about the slow advance of the Azerbaijani army?

Speed ​​is the distance traveled per unit of time. Believe me, not only me, but everyone who at least graduated from school, judges a slow or fast movement precisely on the basis of such positions. B / d cards in the public domain, when this operation began is also no secret to anyone.

Quote: Albay

On the very first day, Murov mountain Omar pass was liberated, the city of Jebrail, dozens of villages and strategic heights were liberated, Hadrut was liberated

I repeat, if your propaganda has closed objective information for you, considering you to be someone who will not be able to grasp the truth properly, then you can always pay for a militarimap (from the EPL, it seems, even for free) and measure the advance of Azerbaijani troops with a ruler.

Quote: Albay

a multi-kilometer defense line was completely destroyed

If the defense line has been destroyed, then why is AZ not yet in Stepanakert? You yourself could not ask yourself this simple question before writing nonsense? I have to think for you, or what?

Quote: Albay

defense line in the mountains fortified for 30 years

Straight "Maginot"))). All videos / photos / maps show, at best, trenches. You should be glad that the Armenians are so lazy. As for the mountains, it is much closer to Stepanokert along the plain. But in order to pass a plain with a developed enemy fire system, one must be able to properly operate with one's own forces and means, including by competently organizing their interaction. It is easier to send the infantry to die in the mountains, experimentally looking for dead zones in the defenders' fire system. What we see - the plain in front of Stepanokert is not taken (because here you need skill), and you climb from the north and south through the mountains (more precisely, hills), paying for this path with the corpses of your soldiers (there will be enough resources here).

Quote: Albay

Where are the mercenaries?

I think, for the most part, they have already been dug in the hollows.

[Albay]

Boris, I do not know what map you are looking at, but my data is reliable and also from alternative sources.
https://youtu.be/V4pWuR5iAdI
https://youtu.be/LEER9KRyceA
https://youtu.be/vkecUV0X97w
The Maginot Line or not, but the Armenians called it Ohanyan's line and for 30 years they strengthened it in military science.
The Azerbaijani army completely destroyed it in a matter of days.
They control the Azerbaijani army quite professionally, to be objective.

[Cyril G ...]

Quote: Hyperion

How to check? Just believe.

No way. We are looking at the general situation in the NKAO. How many centimeters a day did such fashionable media armed forces of Azerbaijan advance?

[Lopatov]

Quote: Cyril G ...

How many centimeters are there per day

A controversial feature.
At one time, they also advanced very thoughtfully into the second Chechen war. Because of what, then the pgavozhdefenders hysterical and accused Shamanov of excessive fire damage. Apparently, they were unhappy with the small losses of the group of troops.

[Goffman]

It seems that the Armenians have practically the same weapons that we have in the second Chechen war. Do you think that with those means we could then provide more video footage of the destruction of targets than the Armenians give now?

[Lopatov]

Quote: Gofman

It seems that the Armenians have practically the same weapons that we have in the second Chechen war. Do you think that with those means we could then provide more video footage of the destruction of targets than the Armenians give now?

Like, "Are the Armenians actually winning victoriously?"
I'm afraid this is not at all the case.
The obvious technological advantage of Azerbaijan is evident.
Compounded by the weak training of the Armenians. Especially the command staff.
The notorious "Repellent" ... destroyed. Apparently, they turned it on permanently in a suppression mode, Azerbaijanis or Turks figured out and destroyed it.
But this is not its main function. The main one is the determination of coordinates. Including UAV ground control points. With subsequent reconnaissance and destruction.

[Goffman]

“Like, do the Armenians actually win victoriously?” I didn’t ask and didn’t mean that. We could then shoot as many pictures as Azerbaijanis do now, because we weren’t weaker then?

[Lopatov]

Quote: Gofman

We could then shoot as many pictures as Azerbaijanis do now, because then we were no less striking?

Could.
It's just that no one really bothered about it.
And we amazed even better. Where the Azerbaijanis are working point-wise, we used division firing.
We only used the "tulips" guided munitions. Well, anti-tank crews. From ground-based launchers
And a series of quick fire from a battalion, or even more so, a salvo of jet-fighters is clearly more spectacular.

[chingachguc]

spectacular but ineffective. Sparrow shooting

[Albay]

Lopatov, you are right, the latest technologies allow Azerbaijan to win without heavy losses in difficult conditions

[Cyril G ...]

normal. This we could afford, in principle, any measures and terms, despite the friendly howl of various monsters. Baku does not have such freedom of maneuver. The operation really had to be carried out as soon as possible. First of all, because more than 7 days they will not really be allowed to fight. What we actually see. Well, my IMHO - I personally did not see adequate and skillful Azerbaijani infantry.
Again, I would not welcome military assistance to Armenia now, remembering recent events and the behavior of the Armenian diaspora in Russia ...
It's a good thing we haven't signed yet within the framework of the CSTO for Karabakh ...

[Lopatov]

Quote: Cyril G ...

Baku does not have such freedom of maneuver.

Is.
By and large, they need to inflict such losses on the Armenians so that they calm down for another 4 years.

Quote: Cyril G ...

The operation really had to be carried out as soon as possible.

This is impossible in principle. Generally. And Azerbaijan is well aware of this.

[Albay]

Lopatov You are the only adequate commentator!
How can these grief "couch strategists" free these territories in a short time?
Whoever fought in mountainous conditions will only understand what it means to advance from the bottom up!
Everything is correct in a short time, in principle, it is impossible to do this, the more everything was strengthened by the regular army and in military science.

[Albay]

Didn't you see adequate infantry?
Damn to smash 30-year-old fortifications in the mountains, take heights and passes at an altitude of 3000 meters, fortified cities and villages, is that inadequate?

[Cyril G ...]

Quote: Albay

Damn to smash 30-year-old fortifications in the mountains, take heights and passes at an altitude of 3000 meters, fortified cities and villages, is that inadequate?

I saw a fresh map. Let's not argue. Everything is more than obvious

[Albay]

Why centimeters?
On the very first day, Mount Murov, Omar Pass, was liberated, the city of Jebrail, dozens of villages and strategic heights were liberated, Hadrut was liberated, a multi-kilometer line of defense in the mountains fortified for 30 years was completely destroyed - is that not enough?

[Cyril G ...]

Quote: Albay

-it is not enough?

Well, the result we see the final on the map. Is not it? Do you disagree that political risks are growing with every extra day of hostilities?

[Albay]

Kirill, Of course I do not agree. What are the risks if we win? It was not easy to destroy these fortifications, to take the Murovsky ridge and the Omar pass in one day is a brilliant operation, I would say unique. Hadrut to take in two hours is excellent. You have an idea in what conditions is the war going on?
The Armenians, however, and Russia understand that the pace of the Azerbaijani army's offensive will only grow after they have passed the main line of defense, and therefore the calls for an armistice. This Armenia is trying to gain time and somehow regroup its forces. In the last war, they also did this after major setbacks.
And what confuses you as a result on the cards?

[Cyril G ...]

. what are the risks if we win?

I said political. Will you deny the growing problems on this side? In my opinion, this is just obvious. You have already been stopped. It will get worse further. Well, how will hehemon intervene to whom Erdogan is like a bone in his throat? The truth here can be lucky if the black revolution starts there. He's busy so far.
And no matter how you beat the Armenians, it is for God's sake, your showdown. The question is different, you are dragging the Sultan with the Ottomans to the Caspian Sea, but Russia doesn’t need it first, and secondly, at the level of instincts, there is aversion to this moment.

[Albay]

Kirill, I wrote above that I do not see political problems. We are liberating our lands anyway.
The question is different, this political leadership of Russia made a choice in the 90s and is still pushing Azerbaijan into the embrace of Turkey. Of course, now relations with Turkey are strategic and they will already be present wherever we are present. This is normal and understandable.

[Cyril G ...]

Quote: Albay

I don't see any political problems. We are liberating our lands anyway.

You do not see this, but I see it and you already have them.

Of course, now relations with Turkey are strategic and they will already be present wherever we are present. This is normal and understandable.

Let me explain elementary things to you. First, Russia tried to maintain a balance of power. Karabakh, as you understand, is also not recognized. Another issue, Armenia’s admission to the CSTO was fundamentally wrong. Well, really. all the more so, to top it all off, Yerevan managed to completely ruin relations with Moscow out of the blue. After the outbreak of the war, Pashinyan was told quite specifically, he ran into it himself and settled it. As a result, Moscow will not put a finger on a finger to help Armenia ...
Now about Turkey - once again the alliance of Turkey and Azerbaijan is, in fact, an obvious hostile act for Russia - proceed from this. Well, do not forget how many fronts the Sultan has now ...

[Albay]

Cyril.
You proio neither in the know nor in the subject.
When 200 thousand Azerbaijanis were expelled from Armenia, Moscow was silent. Leading troops to save the communists in January 90 also miscalculated. What balance of forces did Russia try to maintain by participating with the 366 regiment in the massacre in Khojaly? And what balance was it when Yeltsin, 95 meters away, betrayed weapons to Armenia without compensation. These equipment worth a billion dollars. This was revealed by General Rokhlin. Supporting the occupying forces, Russia did everything for Turkey to be in the Transcaucasia. Now it’s just clear to everyone that helping Armenia is more expensive for itself, since Turkey said that if third forces were involved, they would see in front of them, in addition to Azerbaijan and Turkey. Of course. and we will do everything we can for Turkey after such support.
4 UN resolutions no one was going to implement all these 30 years. What is the balance of power if the occupier is known? The Union of Russia and Armenia is a much more hostile act towards Azerbaijan, proceed from this !!

[Cyril G ...]

Quote: Albay

You proio neither in the know nor in the subject.

I am not too aware of the events in Baku, some of my teachers came from the Caspian VVMU. They told us a lot about both the attitude of the people and the events of that time.

Turkey stated that if third forces intervene, they will see in front of them besides Azerbaijan and Turkey.

Russia should be scared ...? In my opinion, the position is now more than clear, and not at all because of the fear of Turkish interference.
Moreover, the Turks still owe us for the plane shot down out of the blue. We have not returned the debt yet.

Turkey says if third forces are involved

I wonder what she will do? He will only express sympathy for you and that's it. The Sultan has no opportunity to provide any effective military assistance at all. In fact, the Turks and I are blocking each other. They can block the straits, we can block the delivery of goods from the sea through Georgia.
Again, I'm considering options. And I am not interested in the outcome of events in Karabakh.

[Albay]

Cyril is a little in the know, consider that he does not know at all.
So far, Rosmia expresses sympathy for Armenia. Therefore, the question of what Turkey will do disappears. We will live to see. I am also considering options, but our conversation began about something else. I wrote to you in response to the fact that you cannot see the successes of the Azerbaijani army on the map. See? Political issues are of little interest to me. Turkey deserves its place in our region.

[malyvalv]

Taking offense at Russia, you push it to the side of Armenia. Although at the beginning of the conflict, given the incredible number of shoals and Russophobia on the part of the Armenians and Pashinyan in particular, Russia reacted very coldly to the fate of Karabakh. But you decided to compensate for the mistakes of the Armenians by inviting terrorists from Syria.
Russia's acceptance of the Armenian side (and this has not yet happened) will mean that Karabakh, or rather the occupied territories around it, will never again be Azerbaijani. Just like the Georgians will never see Abkhazia and Ossetia as part of Georgia. And no Turks will help. We need to be more careful while luck is due to the stupidity of the Armenians on your side.

[Albay]

Mlivalf. Russia is already on the side of Armenia.
Russia chose the side, not us.
We have a fairly strong and professional army, we do not need mercenaries. These are all Armenian tales to attract third parties to the war. We will live to see!

[Wertgan]

These are not fairy tales. These are mercenaries from Syria, which are easier to dispose of than to contain.

[Albay]

There are no facts.
Some fakes.
We do not need mercenaries of our own fighters.

[malyvalv]

Well, if the head of our GRU said that there is, then there is.

[malyvalv]

Have you finally lost Karabakh? While Russia adheres to the position that this is the territory of Azerbaijan, it is foolish to say that it is on the side of Armenia.
And what accusations from Armenia fly in because of such a position is simply scary to watch. "Russia has betrayed" this is the softest. And this is a difficult position, since the Armenian lobby in the highest echelons of the Russian government is much more numerous and head and shoulders above the Azerbaijani one. And they don't sleep, they work.

[Wertgan]

Both Azerbaijan and Armenia are just puppets in big politics

[chingachguc]

to capture several villages it was not worth starting.

Three mistakes of Aliyev: 1. Why did he launch an offensive until the enemy's front line was completely destroyed and demoralized?
2. Why did he start shelling Stepanakert?
3. Why did he stop fighting at all?

[Albay]

The enemy's front line of defense has been destroyed.

[Vadim_888]

... released Hadrut,

This is questionable, there the Russian correspondent showed something else today, how 200 rascals in black ran with machine guns near the administration, where the cleaning lady did not let them in (they had dirty feet)
And now they are caught in local ravines

[Albay]

He did not show anything, but being 10 km from the city, he expressed the hope that Hadrut would be returned. The Armenian special forces were completely destroyed there. Hadrut is with us.

[elai]

At first, yes, it seemed so, but already something no, the Armenians get too sick. And one of the last videos, where just a lot of equipment is destroyed one after another so generally

[Garris199]

You are partly right, but the air damage is very serious anyway. Since the Second World War, the place of the "god of war" was firmly taken by means of air attack. Assad will not see success if it were not for our, I emphasize, aviation. Entering a war without the means to gain air superiority and defense against an air attack is such a thing.

[private person]

Or maybe it's just that Azerbaijanis have more "media" weapons and, technically speaking, give more pictures when used.

Well, yes, and the Armenians, like the Ukrainians, have run out of batteries at the wrong moment. Or maybe the Armenians simply have nothing to show? Although right there on the VO someone posted a video of how Armenian soldiers dashingly dance.

[forcecom]

Well, let's be honest :) I have never seen a video in which you can see how ammunition does not hit / does not destroy enemy equipment / position, and not because this does not happen, it happens and quite often, just no one will upload it to SUCH video.

[demon]

The Karabakh theater of operations is an excellent testing ground

[Dikson]

A wonderful training ground .. It unobtrusively shows in what ass our Armed Forces are in the UAV plan ...))) Just imagine that our almighty Kaliningrad "Iskander" trying to move into position .. Or the Crimean "Bastion" ... or the Kuril "Ball" .. and at this time three UAVs are grazing, for example .. and a couple of kamikaze Dronov .. And the question arises whether super duper aircraft of the sixth-seventh generations are needed, if tactical tasks are much cheaper and easier to solve with drones ?

[Lopatov]

Quote: Dikson

Just imagine that our almighty Kaliningrad "Iskander" trying to enter the position .. Or the Crimean "Bastion" .... or the Kuril "Ball" .. and at this time three UAVs are grazing

Is it not destiny to use air defense systems, electronic warfare systems, strike at UAV control centers, at their airfields?
Oh yeah, it's not fashionable ...

Quote: Dikson

if tactical tasks are much cheaper and easier to solve with drones?

UAVs are not a wunderwaffe.

[OgnennyiKotik]

Quote: Spade

Is it not destiny to use air defense systems, electronic warfare systems, strike at UAV control centers, at their airfields?

Air defense video of their finding there is complete, only the truth is it before their destruction. Another demonstration of the uselessness of ground-based air defense without aviation.
Electronic warfare ground, cut dough, no more. Very highly specialized devices, absolutely useless against military UAVs.
The UAV control center still needs to find them, for this you need manned or unmanned aircraft, no difference.
Bomb airfields, runway? How do you know where they are? Aviation is needed again. And these drones can be based anywhere where there is 200-300 meters of flat road, or dirt.

The one who seized air superiority wins.

[Lopatov]

Quote: OgnennyiKotik

Another demonstration of the uselessness of ground-based air defense without aviation.

Fortunately, even the Armenians understand that trying to destroy the UAV by aviation means actually sacrificing it. Because the enemy also has air defense systems. Terrestrial. Which you for some reason called "useless"

Quote: OgnennyiKotik

Electronic warfare ground, cut dough, no more

Very comfortable. Super sofa.
However, at the moment, electronic warfare is the most effective method. Providing up to the complete clearance of the sky from drones. How it happened with Iranian UAVs. Israel used electronic warfare to determine the coordinates of command posts and to destroy them. As a result, Iran refused to use them in the border areas.

Quote: OgnennyiKotik

completely useless against military UAVs.

Fortunately, the Israelis did not know about this.

Quote: OgnennyiKotik

The UAV control center still needs to find them, for this you need manned or unmanned aircraft, no difference.

Generally, RTR funds are sufficient for this. Because such a center cannot but radiate.

Quote: OgnennyiKotik

Bomb airfields, runway? How do you know where they are?

An atlich question
Want to teach? Open Google Maps, turn on the "satellite" and you will be happy.
As practice shows, the construction of airfields is a rather long business ...

Quote: OgnennyiKotik

The one who seized air superiority wins.

And if not, give up immediately?
Unfortunately, the Americans are not in the know, and are actively working to overcome the A2AD zones, in which, by default, it is impossible to achieve superiority

[OgnennyiKotik]

Quote: Spade

Providing up to the complete clearance of the sky from drones.

Is there at least one example documented, ground-based electronic warfare systems?

Quote: Spade

Israel used electronic warfare to determine the coordinates of command posts and to destroy them.

How was it determined? What ground-based electronic warfare systems did this happen? Maybe aviation?

Quote: Spade

Want to teach? Open Google Maps,

The runway is not a question of where the control center is at a given time, the planes themselves, well, good luck.

Quote: Spade

Generally, RTR funds are sufficient for this.

RTR reveals an approximate square, further exploration is needed to determine the exact location.

[Lopatov]

Quote: OgnennyiKotik

Is there at least one example documented, ground-based electronic warfare systems?

You are not reading carefully. Israel has done a great job with Iranian drones.

Quote: OgnennyiKotik

How was it determined? What ground-based electronic warfare systems did this happen? Maybe aviation?

Terrestrial, of course. For it's cheap, XNUMX/XNUMX.

Quote: OgnennyiKotik

The runway is not a question of where the control center is at a given time, the planes themselves, well, good luck.

As practice shows, a broken strip does not allow you to take off or land. Surprisingly...

Quote: OgnennyiKotik

RTR reveals an approximate square, further exploration is needed to determine the exact location.

Well, yes, I forgot. If you act in a fashionable way, you must first seize air supremacy, then carry out additional reconnaissance with the help of a UAV, then send kamikaze drones there ... and with a high probability you will not find anything there.

But it can be unfashionable, but effective: immediately upon detection, fire a salvo of the rocket battalion. Look, Gradov - Tornado-G has a minimum target size of 400 by 400 meters. For them, the RTR accuracy is quite enough.

[OgnennyiKotik]

Quote: Spade

Terrestrial, of course. For it's cheap, XNUMX/XNUMX.

What were these systems called? Is there any confirmation?

[Lopatov]

Quote: OgnennyiKotik

What were these systems called?

I have no idea.
I proceed from common sense.

Well, when they say that they "hammered a nail", then with a high probability they used a hammer for this, not a scalpel.

[OgnennyiKotik]

Quote: Spade

I have no idea.

I, too, have no information on the network and examples of application. There is a lot of information about air systems.

Quote: Spade

"hammered in a nail", it was highly likely that a hammer was used for this, not a scalpel.

Prior to that, they “hammered nails” with ship and aircraft electronic warfare systems. Moreover, the proven success. I will assume that at that time they used an electronic warfare system located on an airplane and / or a helicopter.

[huntsman650]

Not that air defense))), beeches and shells, in Idlib they put things in order in the sky. The wasp does not see well, the social services are lacking in height)))

[chingachguc]

What if the control center is a fighter-operator in each platoon? Or in every department?

[Egor53]

I beg your pardon, Dikson, on you write nonsense. UAVs roam freely where there is no aviation or air defense, and this does not apply to ANY region of Russia.
When the Iskander leaves for combat positions, they are completely covered by both air defense and fighter aircraft.
If at least one missile flies at the outgoing Iskander positions, no matter from which country in the world, then the places from which these drones flew out will be completely destroyed in a matter of minutes. Whether it is Warsaw, Vilnus, or Istanbul (after which it will be renamed Constantinople.).

[chingachguc]

Americans are very concerned that they cannot shield the White House from unauthorized UAV incursions. Every now and then a scandal ... and you are air defense

[rotkiv04]

okay, so idolize drones, yes a good weapon, but for him there are electronic warfare means, they are very effective in fighting these wunderwaves, and in Syria this was demonstrated

[Cyril G ...]

Quote: Dikson

Unobtrusively showing in what ass our Armed Forces are in the UAV plan ...

Tell me in what ass ... I personally see that every year the saturation of ground forces with small drones is growing. Namely, they are used primarily for reconnaissance and target designation a vital necessity, besides, the survival rate of such miniature vehicles in the front zone saturated with air defense means is an order of magnitude higher than that of huge Bayraktars (the so-called MALE-class)

if tactical tasks are much cheaper and easier to solve with drones?

What tasks?
Our people are not curious about what happened in Syria and Libya are not interested. The Aviation Security Network does not go to the Aviation Security Network otherwise I would be aware of the real losses incurred by large UAVs.

[Dikson]

I'm just not talking about huge UAVs the size of a combat aircraft and I'm talking about .. - those of course have their own niche .. By the way, we don't have much fun with such products either - there are essentially no engines for such machines ..

[Cyril G ...]

So the engines are not at all surprising. We have completely forgotten how to make small motors ... Now we are making up with a scratch .... And motors are perhaps the main problem. We have just mastered the APD-85 motor for the Outpost in the series.

[Dikson]

Kirill, we are talking about what Karabakh shows - an attack helicopter or a front-line attack aircraft can be successfully replaced with a penny (in comparison with these combat units), a radio-controlled piece of plywood with two PCs bolted to the wings .. that's what I mean .. I don’t remember the planes we lost in 2008 ... - a natural result of the lag in the development of UAVs .. And besides small motors, there are also optics, clearly lagging behind Western models, and electronics .. - to ask another - What is more efficient and easier to use and faster to build - a Su-25x link with airfield services, personnel and equipment, or 50 Drones launched almost kneeling? This is what we are talking about, and not about wunderwaves and our air defense systems that have no analogues.

[ZEMCH]

Quote: Dikson

just imagine that our almighty Kaliningrad "Iskander" trying to get into position .. Or the Crimean "Bastion" .... or the Kuril "Ball" .. and at this time three UAVs are grazing,

Well, yes, Bastion leaves for positions and there is no air defense and electronic warfare cover. This is suicidal. In the Kaliningrad region, well-echeloned air defense, and in the Crimea, is increasing

[poquello]

Quote: Dikson

Just imagine that our almighty Kaliningrad "Iskander" trying to enter the position .. Or the Crimean "Bastion" .... or the Kuril "Ball" .. and at this time three UAVs are grazing, for example .. and a couple of kamikaze Dronov ..

why present, see Khmeinim, and UAVs are perfectly destroyed by conventional fighters

[Dikson]

... This is very similar to the war with the pies of the Somali pirates with the help of the atomic cruiser "Peter the Great" .. - they did a great job too .. While you have been teaching your pilot to fly and fight for ten years, I will give the drone control panel to yesterday's schoolboy and he will not actually risking nothing, it will complete the task ..

[poquello]

Quote: Dikson

... This is very similar to the war with the pies of the Somali pirates with the help of the atomic cruiser "Peter the Great" .. - they did a great job too .. While you have been teaching your pilot to fly and fight for ten years, I will give the drone control panel to yesterday's schoolboy and he will not actually risking nothing, it will complete the task ..

it's a matter of attitudes and settings, the pilot knocks them down stupidly and easily

[Lara Croft]

Quote: iblis

The Karabakh theater of operations is an excellent testing ground

For the first time, the S-300 air defense system was tested in combat conditions ...

[Dikson]

And they immediately came to the conclusion that the S-300 and S-400 "need to be finalized" .. - because "friends and partners" have picked up the same keys ...

[azkolt]

Well, is it worth drawing any conclusions from one insane person? Here in our streets and not such can be found!

[MstislavHrabr]

Armenians. Recognize, for a start, you yourself are Nagorno-Karabakh independent!

[Starover_Z]

Quote: Hyperion

And among the Armenians, as a rule, only textual reports are given, such as: the army smashes the enemy, victory will be ours ...

Hmmm, a noteworthy video - one drone is hanging and filming, the second is striking an open position from the side. Indeed, neither air defense cover nor artillery crew can be seen nearby! Just like a production video.
But if he's real, where are the gunners ?! In the bazaars what? And then in another video their relatives swear that they say Russian scammers? Why is it that the Russians are not fighting for them? Cool!

[chingachguc]

showed the destruction of a motorcycle league with a "zushka". None of them jumped at the gun ... complete demoralization. They lie side by side in ditches.

[APASUS]

Quote: Hyperion

Baku continues to publish video of Armenian armored vehicles being destroyed by UAVs

And among the Armenians, as a rule, only textual reports are given, such as: the army smashes the enemy, victory will be ours ...
Armenians, Armenians ...

A short memory always leads to problems!
Somehow it was quickly forgotten .....................

[Uncle Vanya Susanin]

Full video from the Armenian side, why are they passing by you? Can selective vision

[maiman61]

I didn't even look to the end! Disgusting! You have to be the last idiot to fight for these enemies! They are not our friends! They are strangers to us! They want to sit and drink tea, and we have to fight for them! We protect Crimea! We have officially recognized Crimea! You need Karabakh, die for it yourself! Recognize it officially!

[Vasya Lozhkin]

Everyone around is now to blame for the Armenians, except for themselves. Look how they turned things around. It turns out they squeezed the land from Azerbaijan in the 90s and everything was fine. How they got it in the head, the Russians and Turks are to blame

[Vasya Lozhkin]

"The snake on the chest was warmed" for three centuries

[g1v2]

Well . Themselves so yourself. Let's see how NATO will help them against Azerbaijan and Turkey. Georgia, with which they took an example, has already shown its friendship by closing the border for Armenian supplies and opening up for arms supplies to Azerbaijanis.
In general, we buy popcorn and watch a movie with tanks and war.

[Vadim_888]

I think one call from the Washington Regional Committee and the issue of opening borders for Armenia will be resolved

[seregin-s1]

Can the Armenians throw us? The largest US embassy in the CIS is in Yerevan. Themselves are not good!

[mitroha]

No offense, if the parties (especially the Azerbaijani) did not fill up the Internet with fakes from the very beginning, perhaps I would be impressed and imbued with. But, sorry, I'm full, full

[Prahlad]

Hmm, losing to Armenia is a matter of time. Better to leave yourself, there will be fewer victims

[MKPU-115]

Quote: Prahlad

Hmm, losing to Armenia is a matter of time. Better to leave yourself, there will be fewer victims

Are you worried about the Armenians?

[Misha Honest]

Quote: MKPU-115

Are you worried about the Armenians?

I am not to root for the Muslims.

[MKPU-115]

Quote: Misha Honest

Quote: MKPU-115

Are you worried about the Armenians?

I am not to root for the Muslims.

But what about Azerbaijanis?

[Misha Honest]

Quote: MKPU-115

But what about Azerbaijanis?

Where is it?!

[Vasya Lozhkin]

Polishes Z..D Pashinyan

[Vadim_888]

... But what about Azerbaijanis? wink

So they are with the Russians, neither

[alesi13]

So you can cut Muslims? D.b.

[Megatron]

Dashnaks are, damn it, Christians - purely nominal.
The same nominal Muslims are Azerbaijanis.

[Vadim_888]

... The same nominal Muslims are Azerbaijanis.

Never mind, soon the "Muslim brothers" will teach them true Islam

[Vasya Lozhkin]

Arts ... ah kaput

[Machito]

Quote: Prahlad

Hmm, losing to Armenia is a matter of time. Better to leave yourself, there will be fewer victims

In publishing the videos, Armenia is clearly losing, while Azerbaijan itself publishes a video about the violation of the ceasefire. The war continues, including the information war.

[Misha Honest]

Quote: Bearded

Quote: Prahlad

Hmm, losing to Armenia is a matter of time. Better to leave yourself, there will be fewer victims

In publishing the videos, Armenia is clearly losing, while Azerbaijan itself publishes a video about the violation of the ceasefire. The war continues, including the information war.

There, half of the videos are fake. For example, the same tanks shoot 20 times ...

[Machito]

In the 21st century, even a fake war, Goebbels nervously smokes on the sidelines.

[Vasya Lozhkin]

Anyway, Azeris are running. They will soon reach Yerevan. And the Armenians have "tactical retreats"

[Oquzyurd]

TOCHKA-U tactical missile launched by Armenia in Fizuli region: photo
https://minval.az/news/124041874

[Misha Honest]

Do not judge others and you will not be judged.

[Mik1701]

Guys die because of ambition. Armenia needs to leave Karabakh.

[MKPU-115]

Quote: Mik1701

Guys die because of ambition. Armenia needs to leave Karabakh.

May the strongest win.

[svoit]

The point here is not Armenia, she would have left long ago, if there were someone to ensure the security of the NKR, it is clear that Azerbaijan will not want to do this

[elai]

They are afraid for the Armenian genocide. Armenians have been in the NKB for a long time, but by right the territory of Azerbaijanis

[mihail_mihail0620]

Quote: elai

but by right the territory of Azerbaijanis

By what right?
Nagorno-Karabakh is a primordially Armenian territory, Azerbaijanis are newcomers there.

[Vasya Lozhkin]

The Armenians were settled in Karabakh by the decree of Nicholas 1 of March 2, 1828 after the 2nd Russian-Persian war. They were resettled from Persia and Turkey. Their homeland is there, in the Armenian Highlands. So the question is who is the newcomer.

[mihail_mihail0620]

Quote: Vasya Lozhkin

They were resettled from Persia and Turkey. Their homeland is there, in the Armenian Highlands. So the question is who is the newcomer.

In total, there are 4 mountains in the Armenian Highlands with a height of 4000 to 5000 meters and 1 mountain with a height of over 5000 meters.

Some famous peaks:

Big Ararat (5165 m) [12]
Sebelan (4811 m) [12]
Gilo (4168 m) [12]
Aragats (4090 m) [12]
Sipan (Syuphan) (4058 m) [12]
Kachkar (3937 m)
Small Ararat (3925 m) [13]
Kaputjuh (3905 m) [14]
Gazanasar (3841 m) [14]
Siskatar (Sisakapar) (3826 m) [14]
Paracan (3825 m) [14]
Kapuyt (separate peak on Paracan) (3751 m) [14]
Gomshasar (Gamysh) (3724 m) [14] [15]
Sehend (3707 m)
Alun (a separate peak on Paracan) (3703 m) [14]
Azhdahak (3597 m) [14]
Spitakasar (3560 m)
Metz-Ishkhanasar (3550 m) [14]
Mrav (3340 m)
Koshatah (3317 m)
Abul (3300 m)
Nemrut (2948 m).

If you geographically determine where all these peaks are located, it immediately becomes clear who came to whom where.

[Vasya Lozhkin]

I clarify: from the West of the Armenian Highlands. From the West. They lived in Zafratya, at the junction of the borders of Persia, Iraq, Turkey. Neighbors of the Kurds. In the territory of the Karabakh and Erivan khanates they moved from Persia and Turkey in the early 19th century. Armenians, plus about 20 thousand who lived there earlier. Armenians, Kurds and Greeks in the Caucasus are considered foreigners

[Vadim_888]

, this is a link to a map published in the USSR, a map of the Armenian kingdom during the Roman Empire, take a magnifying glass and study it

[Vadim_888]

They do not allow to insert a link to the maps, but you can type it yourself - a map of Armenia from the times of the Roman Empire

[Vasya Lozhkin]

There is the Armenian Kingdom of the South of Russia (Krasnodar, Sochi, Rostov) with its capital in Moscow.

[Vasya Lozhkin]

What kingdom? You yourself saw this kingdom? Why are the present Armenians descendants of this mythical kingdom? It's like a statement that the current Greeks and Italians are descendants of Rome and DR. Greece. You will show these cards from school textbooks for negotiations.

[poquello]

Quote: Vasya Lozhkin

I clarify: from the West of the Armenian Highlands. From the West. They lived in Zafratya, at the junction of the borders of Persia, Iraq, Turkey. Neighbors of the Kurds. In the territory of the Karabakh and Erivan khanates they moved from Persia and Turkey in the early 19th century. Armenians, plus about 20 thousand who lived there earlier. Armenians, Kurds and Greeks in the Caucasus are considered foreigners

what

[mihail_mihail0620]

Quote: Vasya Lozhkin

By the beginning of the 20th century, almost a million Armenians found themselves in the Caucasus, plus about 300 thousand who lived there earlier. Armenians, Kurds and Greeks in the Caucasus are considered foreigners

And why then is the highland called Armenian?

[Vasya Lozhkin]

Why is the Japanese Sea called the Japanese Sea? Do the Japanese live in this sea? Why are all the settlements of Karabakh in the Turkic language on Russian maps of the 18-19th centuries and there are no Arts ... ah..ov?

[mihail_mihail0620]

Quote: Vasya Lozhkin

Why is the Japanese Sea called the Japanese Sea? Do the Japanese live in this sea?

Does the Sea of ​​Japan wash the coast of Norway?

[elai]

Where did you get into the jungle. In the past, yes, the Armenians live, but in fact the territory of Ayzerbadzhan .. In the 90s they gained independence and cover from the Armenians, and now the Armenians cannot defend the war anymore .. Let's see for a couple of weeks and the troops will be cheated. The latest videos show how the UAVs are already working on the enemy's manpower ... Apparently the equipment is no longer enough

[Yalquzaq]

today 10.10.20 the forcing of the Armenian mannequins to peace continues.

[Nitochkin]

Quote: Yalquzaq

today 10.10.20 the forcing of the Armenian mannequins to peace continues.

Who are you? Not a dummy?

[Vasya Lozhkin]

Are you sorry for the Armenians?

[mihail_mihail0620]

Quote: Vasya Lozhkin

Are you sorry for the Armenians?

No, as well as Azerbaijanis, just the Armenians should know where their home is.

[Nitochkin]

Quote: Vasya Lozhkin

Are you sorry for the Armenians?

It's a pity to look for a bee.

[azkolt]

People like you, why did you fight in 41-45, because of Stalin's ambitions?

[Uncle Vanya Susanin]

They have been living there since at least the 5th century AD, where should they go?

[Alena-Baku]

can the question are you a believer?

[mihail_mihail0620]

Quote: Uncle Vanya Susanin

They have been living there since at least the 5th century AD, where should they go?

They lived there even before our era.

At the same time, the Armenization of the region is associated with the entry of territories up to the south of the Kura into Armenia, regarding the dating of which there are two opinions [11] [12]. Thus, R. Hewsen allows the territories south of the Kura to enter the Yervandi Armenia as early as the 13th century. BC e [13], and also allows the beginning of armenianization with this period [14]. The same opinion is shared by J.-P. Mahe [15] and D. Lang [16]. At the same time, there are different points of view about the borders of Yervandi Armenia (IV-III centuries BC) [17]. Thus, a number of authors call Lake Sevan the eastern border of the state [18] [16] [12]. V. Minorsky [11], R. Husen in earlier works [19], as well as the Soviet orientalists K. V. Trever [20], A. P. Novoseltsev [21], S. T. Eremian [XNUMX] dated the entry the territory of Karabakh into Greater Armenia and the beginning of the Armenization of the population (tribes of Albanian origin according to Minorsky; Shaki, Utiy and Gargar-Albanians according to Trever) of the right bank of the Kura into Armenia in the XNUMXnd century BC. e.

[Vasya Lozhkin]

They have been living there since the beginning of the 19th century. By decree of Nicholas 1, they began to be imported in 1828. Griboyedov and Paskevich. Did you see them there in the 5th century AD? They say that Rostov and Sochi have also been living in Rostov and Sochi since the 5th century, and the Russians are newcomers there.

[chingachguc]

once lived. Then they scattered like Jews. Then the Russians brought them together again after 1828. Before that, the Armenians in Erivan were an absolute minority. They were resettled mainly from Persia - including to Nagorno-Karabakh. In fact, the Russian Empire gave the Armenians their historical homeland, and then the USSR gave independence.

[Vasya Lozhkin]

These tales: once they lived they borrowed from another people. Very vague. "Once upon a time."

[chingachguc]

under Tsar Tigran they lived, yes

[mihail_mihail0620]

Quote: Vasya Lozhkin

These tales: once they lived they borrowed from another people. Very vague. "Once upon a time."

There is such a thing as cultural and historical heritage against which you cannot argue.
Thousands of historical monuments that do not speak in favor of the Turkic peoples on the territory of Armenia.
As for the names, the Ukrainians had Zhukov Avenue yesterday and today Bandera Avenue, these are such miracles.

[Egor53]

Armenia must withdraw not only from Karabakh, but also from all the regions of Azerbaijan occupied by it.

[MKPU-115]

"Baku continues to publish videos of the destruction of Armenian armored vehicles by unmanned aerial vehicles" - like a ceasefire? Or have the Azerbaijanis in stock a video half a year ahead drawn in advance?

[Vadim237]

The truce started at 12:00 and ended at 12:05 so sorry.

[Vasya Lozhkin]

Apparently the valiant Armenians have a lot of iron.

[the Saint]

The armed forces of Azerbaijan are slowly, inexorably grinding the army of Karabakh. And they will grind. The only question is time.
Armenians in general, and in Karabakh in particular, turned out to be completely unprepared for the fact that the Azerbaijani army is not the same as it was even four years ago.
The Armenians secretly dream that Russia will, as they say, “fit in” for them. Firstly, they want to keep their face, they say, we would have slapped these Azeri Turks ourselves, but the Russians, you understand, do not give, they again interfere, and, secondly, to keep the territories from Azerbaijanis, thanks to Russia, to keep them from the Azerbaijanis.
This cannot be done within the framework of the CSTO, since the current hostilities in Karabakh do not fall under this treaty, which, by the way, is well known to everyone. There are no military actions on the territory of Armenia, Azerbaijan does not strike directly at Armenia.
In order to drag Russia into the war, so that the Russian Ivan would again bend in distant lands, the Armenians did not come up with anything better than to conduct directly from the territory of Armenia (namely Armenia, and not Karabakh, which Armenia itself still does not officially recognize) artillery and rocket attacks on Azerbaijani cities. In particular, Ganja was shelled in the morning, and the Mingechaur hydroelectric station in the evening.
From a military point of view, there is absolutely no content in these attacks. NO !!!
The meaning of these attacks is clear exclusively from a political point of view: to force Azerbaijan to retaliate now directly on the territory of Armenia, after which Armenia will instantly appeal to the CSTO in general and to Russia in particular for protection, and that Russia would enter this war with open visor. It must be understood that, in the opinion of the Armenians, it will be exclusively Russia that again, in order to stand between the Armenians and the Azerbaijanis as a shield, defending exclusively Armenian interests, despite the fact that there has never been a more Russophobic leadership in Armenia than now.
The conclusion is simple:

The Armenians, sensing the approach of a fiasco, went haywire, blackmailing Russia with their completely unjustified artillery and missile attacks on Azerbaijan, in order to drag it into a big war, to hide behind it. (from)

[Hypertension]

Quote: el Santo

The Armenians secretly dream that Russia will, as they say, “fit in” for them.

The Armenian lobby is very strong in Russia. Starting from the heads of Russia Today and Minister of Foreign Affairs Lavrov, ending with the heads of entertainment channels and heads of housing and communal services in Moscow. In this case, is it possible to talk about an objective foreign policy of Russia, in particular on Nagorno-Karabakh?

[Pavlos Melas]

Quote: Hyperion

The Armenian lobby is very strong in Russia. Starting from the heads of Russia Today and Minister of Foreign Affairs Lavrov, ending with the heads of entertainment channels and heads of housing and communal services in Moscow. In this case, is it possible to talk about an objective foreign policy of Russia, in particular on Nagorno-Karabakh?

Perhaps the Armenian lobby is strong, but Russia will primarily be guided by its own interests. I do not think that it is beneficial for Russia to strengthen Turkey in the Transcaucasus. So there should be no objectivity here, there will be protection of interests.

[Hypertension]

Quote: Pavlos Melas

Russia will primarily be guided by its own interests.

The interests of Russia, first of all, in the area of ​​the LPR should be. There the Russian people suffer hardships.

[Pavlos Melas]

Quote: Hyperion

Quote: Pavlos Melas

Russia will primarily be guided by its own interests.

The interests of Russia, first of all, in the area of ​​the LPR should be. There the Russian people suffer hardships.

You can't concentrate on only one direction. On the LDNR, decisions must also be made to find a way out of the situation. If you let the Turkofuehrer into the Transcaucasus, he will think about the Turk people "suffering hardships" in the Volga region ...

[Vasya Lozhkin]

Russia should think about itself, and the Armenians should take care of their own porridge. They should be responsible for themselves, not the children. For two years Pashinyan pretended to be a samurai, but as soon as they got it in the head, he remembered about Russia. And he began to tell fairy tales about the last stronghold of Christians.

[Pavlos Melas]

Russia should think about itself

This is not even discussed.

And the Armenians let their own porridge disentangle. For themselves, they must answer, not the children.

From this they will not go anywhere. This is also a common truth.

For two years Pashinyan pretended to be a samurai, but as soon as they got it in the head, he remembered about Russia. And he began to tell fairy tales about the last stronghold of Christians.

With this, too, no one argues. Do not forget this, but just as inappropriately forget that you have to choose the lesser of two evils. Turkofuehrer in the Caucasus is a problem not only for Georgians and Armenians, but for Russia. This is the turbulent North Caucasus, dreams of Tatarstan's independence, Kazakhstan's appetites for Orenburg and Omsk. So, rolling back with cries of "enough to feed the Caucasus", you can shrink down to the size of the Moscow principality and pay yasak.

[no better place for]

You confuse cause and effect. The more you help the Armenians, the more Azerbaijan will ask for help from Turkey. And the sooner Azerbaijan returns its territories and no one threatens it, the sooner the need for assistance from Turkey will disappear.

[Pavlos Melas]

Here you are dissembling, the statement of bir milet iki devlet was made by both the Turks and Azerbaijanis. After the solution of the Karabakh issue, a desire may arise to create a bir devlet. I don't think this is in Russia's interests. It cannot be denied that Armenia is trying to speculate with its geographic location, but objectively Russia and Armenia will have closer ties than with Azerbaijan. Also, despite the religious closeness, Azerbaijan will cause Iran's mistrust.

[Looking for]

do you know that appetite comes with eating?

[Vasya Lozhkin]

You cannot say more precisely. It is in the interests of the Russian Federation to solve this problem of Nagorno-Karabakh faster. And now there is such an opportunity.

[mitroha]

Quote: Vasya Lozhkin

Russia should think about itself, and the Armenians should take care of their own mess. They should be responsible for themselves, not the children.

Forgive me, but who are you to tell Russia to whom it owes what, and to distribute debts for Armenians?

[Vasya Lozhkin]

Who are you to cover up the Armenian sins with Russians? Take your weapon and go to the Armenians to fight. Position of the Russian Federation: Karabakh is not Armenia

[mitroha]

I understand that you are a descendant of Vasily Alibabaevich, that you diluted gasoline with urine? What did you not understand in the phrase, not to tell anyone what to do?

[Vasya Lozhkin]

Are you a descendant of the drunk Sharikov? Your place is then with the Armenians in the toilet

[Hypertension]

Quote: Pavlos Melas

You cannot concentrate on only one direction. On the LDNR, decisions must also be made to find a way out of the situation.

What's the problem? Have all the Armenians already been destroyed? There are only 3 million of them in Russia. And if they are such great patriots, then let them go to defend Karabakh. For some reason, when there was a war in Donbass, the Armenian battalions were not visible.

[Egor53]

Strengthening Turkey in the Transcaucasus is not beneficial for Russia. But the weakening of Armenia is very beneficial even for Russia. And Karabakh as a part of Azerbaijan is also beneficial to us.

[Pavlos Melas]

Quote: Egor53

Strengthening Turkey in the Transcaucasus is not beneficial for Russia. But the weakening of Armenia is very beneficial even for Russia. And Karabakh as a part of Azerbaijan is also beneficial to us.

It's a pity only one plus can be put

[poquello]

Quote: Egor53

Karabakh within Azerbaijan is also beneficial to us.

than?

[Looking for]

. have you seen that Armenia on the map? What is Russia in that Armenia?

[Misha Honest]

Quote: Hyperion

The Armenian lobby is very strong in Russia. Starting from the heads of Russia Today and Minister of Foreign Affairs Lavrov, ending with the heads of entertainment channels and heads of housing and communal services in Moscow. In this case, is it possible to talk about an objective foreign policy of Russia, in particular on Nagorno-Karabakh?

If you prefer Muslims, good luck. Moscow just lacks another mosque (sarcasm)!

[Vasya Lozhkin]

If my grandmother had ... she would be a grandfather. If you like Armenians on your neck, then go to the south of the Russian Federation and sit there

[kenig1]

She would be a hermaphrodite.

[Egor53]

Misha Honest, I am Orthodox, and Muslims do not delight me. Only such "Christians" as Armenians I like even less. They are kind of like Baptists and Jehovah's Witnesses with Pentecostals together.
Our media say about the Armenians that they are half our friends. Maybe it is, only half friend - always half ENEMY.

[AllBiBek]

Well, when Marterosyan becomes the president of the Russian Federation, then it will be possible to talk about defending some Armenian interests, and when the government is headed by Guzman, it will be possible to talk about a biased opposition in Armenian-Azerbaijani tricks.
That's just what happens when second-hand KVN stars get to leading positions in the state - there is one in the neighborhood, thank you, we definitely don't need this.

[The eye of the crying]

Quote: Hyperion

The Armenian lobby is very strong in Russia.

Is it even stronger than Azerbaijani?

[Boris ⁣ Shaver]

Quote: Hyperion

Armenian lobby

The attitude towards Armenians in Russia is no secret to anyone. For none of those, however, who live in Russia.

[private person]

Quote: el Santo
The Armenians secretly dream that Russia will, as they say, “fit in” for them.

The Armenian lobby is very strong in Russia. Starting from the heads of Russia Today and Minister of Foreign Affairs Lavrov, ending with the heads of entertainment channels and heads of housing and communal services in Moscow. In this case, is it possible to talk about an objective foreign policy of Russia, in particular on Nagorno-Karabakh?

So let this lobby go to fight and whose tribesmen in Russia are like filth with them.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: private person

So let this lobby go to fight and whose tribesmen in Russia are like filth with them.

Yeah, the whole laughing panorama headed by Petrosyan will go to war.

[Vadim_888]

For that there is a strong Turkish lobby in Russia in the face of construction companies, vegetable bases and food markets, and Bul Bul Agly should not be written off, he will start singing, half of Moscow will come running to listen
https://youtu.be/zvZlC6_du88

[SaLaR]

I propose to collect all over Russia "owners" of bazaars and send them to their homeland ... as true "patriots" ..)))) let them protect .....)))

[maiman61]

The Azerbaijanis would have liberated their territories faster! And the war is over! Otherwise they do not understand!

[Vadim_888]

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The Azerbaijanis would have liberated their territories faster!

You are now talking about the steppes of Mongolia and Kashgaria, where is their historical homeland?

[Albay]

And what was wrong 4 years ago with the Azerbaijani army?
It seems that they also successfully completed the task in difficult conditions.

[poquello]

Quote: el Santo

their completely unjustified from a military point of view artillery and missile strikes on Azerbaijan

And Aliyev thought that the Armenians would only beat the Aziks who entered Karabakh? strange thoughtlessness

Quote: el Santo

Armenians did not come up with anything better than to conduct artillery and rocket attacks on Azerbaijani cities directly from the territory of Armenia (namely, Armenia, not Karabakh, which Armenia itself still does not officially recognize)

Actually, without refuting but asking, what prevents the Armenians from bringing art to the territory of Karabakh?

[Rusinoff]

Baku continues to publish video of Armenian armored vehicles being destroyed by UAVs

Looped them from Israeli satellites ..))) At first I believed, and then something familiar picture And in all Internet resources, one Azerbaijan with its (Israeli) UAVs -video .. I thought everyone was the Khan of Armenia)))
Eh Aliyev, how they set you up .. Run !!!!

[bobwings]

Do you think Israel only supplies its strategic ally with weapons? Who do you think supplies intelligence from their satellites? Definitely not Turkey ...

[Vasya Lozhkin]

Yeah, he'll run to Yerevan soon. Arts..ah kaput until the end of the month

[Graz]

All the same, Russia must destroy by force the influence of Turkey in the Caucasus.

If a country, choosing between war and shame, chooses shame, it receives both war and shame.
Winston Churchill (C)

[fiberboard]

We owe nothing to anyone

[Graz]

well, well, Hitler was also fed before the war like Erdogan is now and what did it lead to?

[Vasya Lozhkin]

For 30 years, the Armenians have been fed by the Russians and have brought up what the Russian occupiers are also called drunks. And they themselves occupied the south of Russia, and Vanya has to clean up for them?

[Vadim_888]

... Should Vanya take care of them?

Well, not Vanya, but Vasya Lozhkin will have to clean up everything

[Nagaibak]

Vadim_888 "Vasya Lozhkin will have to clean up everything."
Is he Vasya?)))

[Vadim_888]

... Is he Vasya?)))

So everyone understands that it is not Vasya, an employee of the Azerbaijani embassy in Moscow, only their diplomats write so well in Russian, ..

[Vasya Lozhkin]

Should all Russians drown the Armenians for swindlers?

[Nagaibak]

Vadim_888 "
So it is clear to everyone that it is not Vasya, an employee of the Azerbaijani embassy in Moscow, that only their diplomats write so well in Russian "
He registered on October 9 ...))) svezhak.))) Saytovskie Azerbaijanis have long been known to everyone.))) However, like Armenians, Jews and so on.)))

[Vasya Lozhkin]

Vadim 888 will wipe snot to Armenians and Pashinyan in Yerevan

[Misha Honest]

Quote: Graz

All the same, Russia must destroy by force the influence of Turkey in the Caucasus.

You will not get through to this with us - there are too many inadequate people who do not know history or reality ...

[Krasnodar]

I have to. And he does it today with the hands of the Armenian Wars.

[Vasya Lozhkin]

Russia does not owe anything to the Armenians. They owe it. They got used to confusing the interests of Armenians and Russia.

[Graz]

Russia owes not the Armenians, but its own interests, and the interests say that the Turks must be thrown out of the Caucasus

[Krasnodar]

Quite right - by the hands of Armenian fighters

[Vasya Lozhkin]

Russia should respect its interests, and not for the Armenians to disentangle their sins. The interests of Russians say that there is no need to cover Pashinyans and Dashnaks, who hayat Russia, erect six-meter monuments to Hitler's henchmen in the center of Yerevan, built biolaboratories with the Americans and do not let Russian specialists go there. ... They also banned Russian TV and the Russian language in schools. Victory Day on May 9 was postponed to May 8 and renamed the Day of Sorrow and Accord. Pro-Russian politicians were jailed. And now they demand the introduction of Russian troops and are accused of treason. It is better then to deal with a decent Muslim Aliyev than with a cunning ... ry, allegedly Christian Pashinyan

[Vadim_888]

... Better then deal with a decent Muslim

Say it to the face of Russian refugees from Central Asia in the early 90s

[Vasya Lozhkin]

Stop making noise. Tell that to the Russian refugees from Armenia. About 5 million Russians still live in Central Asia and Kazakhstan; they were probably chained up and not allowed to leave.

[Vadim_888]

Tell it to Russian refugees from Armenia

Well, now it became obvious that you are dear from Azerbaijan, Russians did not flee from Armenia, yes, I met refugees from Georgia, from Central Asia - Tajikistan, Turkmenistan, Fergana, the same, yes, they were from Kazakhstan, but there were no refugees from Armenia .. ..

[Looking for]

Did you list the "achievements" of your Ukrainian "brothers"?

[Vasya Lozhkin]

Where will you throw them out? Will they block the strait and supply the group in Syria by air? Aliyev and Erdogan are more expensive than the beggars Pashinyan and Artsakh

[Vadim_888]

Through Iran, if anything, they will supply, the experience from the Second World War remained

[Vasya Lozhkin]

To supply through the Moon? Iran has already spoken about Karabakh. No country in the world considers it Armenian

[malyvalv]

The straits are the least of the problems. Having closed the straits, the Turks themselves will not be able to swim in the Black or the Mediterranean. Do they need it like that?

[Vadim_888]

Number of heroes of the USSR WWII Armenians 106
Arzebaydzhantsev 14
Doesn't that mean anything to you? This is taking into account that there are more Arzebaydzhanians than Armenians ...

[Vadim_888]

I'm making an amendment, I didn't have time
Heroes of the USSR Arzetsbajans were 43

[Vasya Lozhkin]

The number of heroes of the USSR Kazakhs is 105 people., So what? Nobody except Armenians smears snot to the belly because of this, and does not demand to be loved

[Looking for]

Vasya. How much are the Ukrainian propagandists dumping for you. So that you here tore the shirt on your chest for the Azeri?

[malyvalv]

Looking at what Azerbaijanis are warriors now, there is nothing surprising.

[Vasya Lozhkin]

Your "best warriors in the world" (after the Jews) are already bypassing their equipment a kilometer away so that nothing falls on their heads ... Telefonyan will soon shoot himself in the bunker like Hitler.

[poquello]

Quote: Vasya Lozhkin

Telephonyan will soon shoot himself in a bunker like Hitler

for Aziks this is a bad deal

[elai]

Diarrhea, I would say so ... They fly and just go mad. Here everything is already clear, the question is when this beating will end ... And with what. Already, judging by the characters, they captured a lot, but more

[Vadim_888]

Sell ​​air defense to Karabakh, the Armenian diaspora from the United States will pay for the delivery, kill two birds with one stone, calm the sultan, and raise money

[air defense]

The purchase of air defense will not help them, it takes time to deploy it, prepare calculations, the hastily delivered air defense will be destroyed by the UAV. It would be cheaper to buy similar UAVs from Israel, China, possibly the United States.

[Vadim_888]

... Air defense purchases will not help them, it takes time to deploy it, prepare calculations

I agree here, but in part, specialists from Syria and Libya can be attracted for money, if the Armenians of the United States dump money, they can give a ride

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: Vadim_888

Sell ​​air defense to Karabakh, the Armenian diaspora from the United States will pay for the delivery, kill two birds with one stone, calm the sultan, and raise money

Dreams, dreams ... what a sweetness! The caravan has passed - the muck remains! Have you heard that the road is a spoon for dinner? I haven’t heard that the "Armenian Diaspora" immediately expressed a desire to pay for Armenia's Wishlist!

[Oquzyurd]

TOCHKA-U tactical missile launched by Armenia in Fizuli region: photo
https://minval.az/news/124041874

[Vadim_888]

... ? I haven’t heard that the "Armenian Diaspora" immediately expressed a desire to pay for Armenia's Wishlist!

Don't worry about it, if you haven't heard something, it doesn't mean that it doesn't ...

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: Vadim_888

if you haven't heard something, it doesn't mean that it doesn't ...

Well yes ...! "Eternally immortal" ,, gopher in the law ,, ....

[Vadim_888]

Kim Kardashian will donate $ XNUMX million to the All-Armenian Fund, ....

[Vasya Lozhkin]

It is easier and cheaper to drive out Pashinyan and the Dashnaks and all the Armenians together on their knees ask for forgiveness from the Russian Federation and the Azeris

[Cottager452]

Vasya is outright sold out, soon he will speak Turkish.

[Vadim_888]

Plus, I totally agree

[Vasya Lozhkin]

Don't you crow in Armenian yet?

[Looking for]

have you already cut your Ukrainian? Yes, the day I registered. And you are already crap Russia.

[Razvedka_Boem]

Then the drones ran out and declared a truce ..)
They will buy new ones and will rush again ..
Both sides are on the drum .. but why do all the videos end like a bang .. and there are no frames after the hits? ..

[Bakinec]

After hitting there will be corpses. Why show the corpses. It's not ethical.

[memmed memmed]

Because this drone kamikaze HAROP is destroyed after impact

[Razvedka_Boem]

After the explosion, shooting from above takes another second or two. Everything is covered with smoke and the shooting stops.
It seems to me that the results of the hits are not as impressive as can be judged by the explosion, so the result after the hit is not shown.

[donavi49]

Apparently, after the truce, nothing stopped. or old stocks.

[OgnennyiKotik]

Quote: donavi49

nothing stopped

Likely. It looks like there are battles for Hadrut.
It is not clear why Azerbaijan should stop, there is no reason.
The signed agreement, under pressure from two Armenians, does not mean anything. A sign of courtesy to the host of the meeting.

[Vadim237]

In addition, there is air defense - but it does not work and is being carried away

[donavi49]

I see they dragged 1C3 from the Circle. It is more powerful than the radar on the Wasp, they hope to detect UAVs with them.

[Vadim_888]

If the Armenians can suppress the aviation of Azerbaijan, then the drones will be dealt with quickly

[Vasya Lozhkin]

Azeri aviation is almost never used

[huntsman650]

Everything is not right, rather it is from the museum as a false target)))

[thrust]

Quote: Hyperion

Quote: Pavlos Melas

Russia will primarily be guided by its own interests.

The interests of Russia, first of all, in the area of ​​the LPR should be. There the Russian people suffer hardships.

I agree, but there are also co-religionists objectively. Russia has enough strength, you need not to delay the counterstrike, and then negotiations. Putin has already been framed by the Turks in the person of Azerbaijan. Such diplomatic success is on you.

[Vasya Lozhkin]

Americans and Poles are also co-religionists. What, now all at their own expense to help and cover their sins?

[Vadim_888]

А

... Americans and Poles are also fellow believers.

In the USA, there are sea churches - Lutherans, Jehovah's Witnesses, Catholics, Adventists, Baptists, if we assume that Americans are Christians, then you are right, and if only Catholics, then no

[no better place for]

For you co-religionists, for 20% of the citizens of the Russian Federation no

[rocket757]

After the shoals made by the Syrians in Idlib, adequate measures had to be taken.
In Libya, almost the same thing happens!
Again, it is confirmed that only the wise learn from other people's mistakes ... the rest prefer to learn from OWN, although it is not necessary that they learn something.
Shock drones on the battlefield can do the trick! An effective response is needed!

[air defense]

An effective response is needed!

What is effective response? Now there is no cheap means, it is necessary to deploy echeloned air defense, prepare calculations for the fight against UAVs, with "kamikaze" UAVs that can attack the target simultaneously from different directions. And be prepared for the fact that all UAVs will smoothly break through and destroy air defense elements, that is, have reserves for replenishment.
I will repeat myself in the case of the “poor” countries, an effective means is to buy the same UAVs, Azerbaijan's air defense situation is no better.

[rocket757]

Quote: Airdefense

Again, in the case of “poor” countries, buying is an effective remedy.

This is just understandable, while striking funds are a priority for many, and there is simply no money for protection !!!
But, in addition to technical means of defense, there are cheap, but quite effective means, DISKING measures !!! Who prevented this from doing ???

[air defense]

I may be wrong, but while all the battles were taking place in the foothills and according to the statement of "experts", in the mountains the Armenians have a more serious line of defense, maybe even there are tunnels.
Again, despite the "domination" in the air, the Azerbaijanis also suffered serious losses and won a small piece of territory.
And so we are all strategists when we look at the battle from the outside, and even knowing its outcome in advance)

[malyvalv]

There may be tunnels, but the number of completely unmasked vehicles destroyed by drones is impressive. Even in a caponier, it's not destiny to throw a camouflage mesh. Including caponiers where there is nothing. And then Odes to drones as a superwunderwaffe begin on VO.

[rocket757]

Drones are just one form of attack that should not be underestimated, but which can be successfully combated if properly trained.

[Vasya Lozhkin]

When will there be a video of how the strategist Pashinyan defeated the "2nd corps of Azerbaijan" and how "Three enemy brigades fled to the Iranian border." True, Pasha Telefonian forgot to say: "I swear by my mother."

[Oquzyurd]

On the southern flank, Pashik lost a lot of people and equipment in recent days. The remnants were driven forward today, and they were lost to their waiting ambush, 38 people were killed and all the equipment on which they moved.

[Livonetc]

Quote: Hyperion

Baku continues to publish video of Armenian armored vehicles being destroyed by UAVs

And among the Armenians, as a rule, only textual reports are given, such as: the army smashes the enemy, victory will be ours ...
Armenians, Armenians ...

Yes....
And there’s nothing to add ...

[Oquzyurd]

TOCHKA-U tactical missile launched by Armenia in Fizuli region: photo
https://minval.az/news/124041874

[Livonetc]

The link is not working.
Better to insert the photo itself.

[Oquzyurd]

Special mobile operational groups of the Azerbaijan National Agency for Mine Action (ANAMA) on October 10, during search operations conducted in the Geran settlement of the Goranboy region, found a 9M525 shell with small bombs launched by the Armenian Armed Forces.

“The missile contained 72 9N235 shrapnel bombs. These bombs belong to the class of munitions prohibited by the Convention on Cluster Munitions, ”the message says.

Also, during search operations in the village of Akhmadalylar, Fizuli region, a tactical missile "POINT-U" (9M79M), fired by the armed forces of Armenia, was discovered.

[Nosgoth]

It is a pity that it did not reach the goal. :-( And about all sorts of conventions, tell the Western "democratizers" (mostly Americans) how ammunition with white phosphorus is prohibited. They will laugh at you very much.

[stels_07]

Did the General Staff for UAVs in Libya draw conclusions or not?

[iouris]

I made conclusions, but I could not do anything else. But the conclusions are constantly being refined.

[Alex Justice]

Ours in Syria cannot boast of such precise strikes.

[karpusha]

What is happening is exactly what should have happened. In 25 years, the Armenians could build a network of in-depth defense with tunnels and shelters for both soldiers and equipment. It was possible to turn Karabakh into an impregnable fortress even without a large number of modern weapons.
Instead, we see super cool (in quotes) air defense systems being carried by drones into one gate. Tanks and strongholds are hollowing almost live all over the world. The legacy of the USSR is no longer able to withstand today's challenges. Suffice it to recall how the USSR reacted to the appearance of new weapons from Western countries - they immediately began to develop an adequate response. What do we see now? Well, a country where 15-17 thousand rubles are paid at a defense enterprise is not capable of meeting modern challenges. The failure of armaments is the failure of the entire state system. It's funny to say that we cannot make drones at least at the level of Turkey. What can we say about more developed countries.

[Vadim_888]

... Well, a country where 15-17 thousand rubles are paid at a defense enterprise is not capable of meeting modern challenges.

These are questions to the Supreme, where did the super profits of the early XNUMXs go from the sale of oil and gas

[air defense]

The failure of armaments is the failure of the entire state system. It's funny to say that we cannot make drones at least at the level of Turkey. What can we say about more developed countries.

It is not difficult to do at the level of Turkey, the glider is not a problem to count, but then, Turkey buys engines in Europe and Canada, the Wescam CMX-15D OLS is American, the communication modules are likely to be foreign too, all these components will not be sold to Russia, but actually electronics / microelectronics even in the USSR lagged far behind the West, and now, most likely, the difference is generally unattainable.

[karpusha]

So about this and we are not talking about what we can do, but they do not give to buy. A sad outcome of public administration and foreign policy. Well, on the other hand, Assad sat in the chair and our Crimea, what else is needed?

[air defense]

It is not yet the result, in my pessimistic opinion, everything that happened in Ukraine, Kyrgyzstan, Belarus is waiting for Russia too, perhaps historians will call all this in the future the process of the collapse of the Russian Empire.

[karpusha]

What other Russian empire? I don’t want to upset you, but the tsar's father has long been bye-bye.
You just need to deal with internal issues, think about people's problems and solutions, and not be proud of Aligarh yachts and Olympiads.

[air defense]

What other Russian empire? I don’t want to upset you, but the tsar's father has long been bye-bye.

The same as the collapse of the Roman Empire, which took more than one hundred years with the subsequent fragmentation of the territory into separate state formations and military conflicts between them.

You just need to deal with internal issues, think about people's problems and solutions, and not be proud of Aligarh yachts and Olympiads ..

Who argues, but still need to be for all good and against all bad.

[Vasya Lozhkin]

Soon Ukrainians will start supplying them with engines

[air defense]

Well, a country where 15-17 thousand rubles are paid at a defense enterprise is not capable of meeting modern challenges.

As it is now, I don’t know, but in my time, the salary was humiliatingly low, and they worked, firstly, because of the interesting topics and just to gain experience.

[Moskal 55]

So this system was built to unite with Europe, but now it is slowly and awkwardly either unfolding or marking time. But at the same time, the S-400 was still made, and even hypersound. Crimea was annexed, in Syria the Daeshes were almost gouged. Of course, the USSR was much more powerful, but we are all responsible for the collapse of the USSR. The majority wanted capitalism, but now we do not want to admit it, we are looking for the guilty.

[poquello]

Quote: karpusha

Well, a country where 15-17 thousand rubles are paid at a defense enterprise is not capable of meeting modern challenges.

are you there as a janitor or what?

[nerovnayadoroga]

This is, as in the old Soviet joke about the plumbing in the regional committee, "here, the whole SYSTEM, it is necessary to change ..."!

[Vasya Lozhkin]

“The best warriors of the world (after the Jews), the Armenians already bypass their equipment a kilometer away. They will be more alive.

[Vadim_888]

... (after the Jews)

Have you fought with them?

[yasher]

Same question?

[Vadim_888]

... Same question?

The answer is no and I will not.

[Vasya Lozhkin]

Do not translate the arrows. Pashinyan is kaput soon. You will have mourning

[Vasya Lozhkin]

With whom? Armenians or Jews?

[Vadim_888]

... With whom? Armenians or Jews?

Which one of them?

[Krasnodar]

Quote: Vasya Lozhkin

“The best warriors of the world (after the Jews), the Armenians already bypass their equipment a kilometer away. They will be more alive.

Hmm. Jews in general have better drones than Turkey, and Turkish military aviation will be more modern, and even more numerous.
And the deadline for 32 months lasts ... and so yes, suckers are suckers ... Atu their S-400 covered by a Buk, protected by a Shell, covered by Krasukha!

[Zaurbek]

On the other hand .... who is stronger dictates. The Armenians did the same during the collapse of the USSR. When they occupied 7 regions and Karabakh itself.

[yasher]

Yes, now the wars are not the same, the main thing is to send the vidos to the network)))
Guys!
And why are you all rubbing these vidos that were shown to you?
Contact, I will send any and all genres)))
Well, how small children are)))

[Alexey G]

If the Azerbaijanis defeat the Armenians easily and quickly, then this is bad. I don't think Erdogan will stop there. Turks again climb into the Caucasus ...
Personally, I love both Armenians and Azerbaijanis equally, but I understand that the interests of two empires are behind the conflict: Russian and Turkish.
What annoys me is the Turkish biractors! They gave us on the cheek in Syria through stopping the well-prepared and planned offensive of Assad and now they are burning our Soviet equipment, with which we ourselves are 60 percent armed ...
As for me, it is a matter of honor to knock out Turkish toys from Azeris and snap Turkey on the nose ...
The question is, is there anything ???
What can be opposed ??

[Charik]

Well, that in Khabarovsk, people have already begun to beat and plant a jail?

[bukhach]

No, you have the wrong information, not in jail, but for a count, that's what Putin has sunk to.

[rotfuks]

When I served in the army of the USSR, in our unit, the Armenians served exclusively in the kitchen and occupied the most prestigious positions - this is a bread cutter in the kitchen. After the army, I talked with my friends and it turned out that everywhere there were Armenians. Apparently this is such a peace-loving nation that learning to shoot and dig in is a burden to them. So the army of grain-growers can only dance fervent dances. What we are seeing. They feel sorry for the money to hire Wagner's army, they drove out the Russian invaders. So the forecasts are rather sad.

[Cyril G ...]

Quote: rotfuks

After the army I talked with friends and it turned out that everywhere there were Armenians.

I have never seen Armenians by grain-growers - the nationality of the grain-grower was, as a rule, Azerbaijani.
And the officers of the Russian army have met Armenians more than once. Azerbaijanis have never seen in a quarter of a century

[Charik]

now poland will wind up a couple of yards of greenery with eRefia-and we'll pay off WE-the-people-and there they will laugh and raise themselves against the background of baranovius

[aiden]

Look how they don't screw you up on the scoreboard

[Charik]

and gasoline needs to rise in price, but how is it-in Kazakhstan 26 rubles-and in the Russian Federation 46-disorder-it's time to make 56r in the Russian Federation-and in Kazakhstan 16p-please treat with understanding (khe-khe)

[aiden]

To treat a clown with understanding? You should not be treated with understanding, but with pity

[certero]

Quote: Shurik70

In the video of the destruction of the guns that allegedly violated the "ceasefire" - not a single person is near the guns. The weapon boxes are farther away, not side by side.
The Azerbaijanis are making noise.

Generally, the ammo boxes should be kept away from the guns. in a special ditch.
I do not know the exact data from the manual, but the distance should ensure the safety of the calculation when the ammunition is detonated.

[Pavlos Melas]

Quote: Silvestr

Quote: Pavlos Melas

but I have a question how well how could it possibly be that a Russophobic government appeared in Armenia and why Russian diplomats "didn’t have heads"

Is it only in Armenia? - Ukraine, Moldova, Kazakhstan, Georgia, Azerbaijan. The Caucasus will soon become the "Baltic". The result of 20 years of "breakthrough and jerking", but "no time to swing"

Before the Caucasus, there was Eastern Europe even before the Balkans. The natives are always to blame, but the Russian diplomats are not. Just now, the scandal with Zakharova was so she's straight everywhere. It's horror in Ukraine, in the same place Chernomyrdin was sent to build a relationship, probably set up. It's a shame that, again, the Russian soldier will fulfill his duty with honor and will be rasped in blood and careless diplomats will "love" all the successes. Certainly not obtained by their blood.

[Moskal 55]

Not so, probably everything is great with the Ayzers, otherwise they would not have gone to a truce. It was not possible to climb deep and high into the mountains. And now they will bite the Armenians with drones, and they will look for effective methods of dealing with them. Something like this.

[Vadim237]

Negotiations have already been covered - and the drones of Armenians no longer bite, they are already tearing off specific pieces and everything that will remain in the future will be covered with art.

[iouris]

This is not a football match "Neftchi" - "Ararat". Don't be sick here. Divisional commanders (commanders of sofas) get ready to run with a machine gun (if given).

[svoit]

Quote: Spade

so that they calm down for another 4 years.

Last time, the Armenians managed to calm Azerbaijan down for the same 4 years much easier, without starting large-scale databases.

[Charik]

like a comment left, where did he go?

[Alex Justice]

Censorship. Not used yet?

[Pavlos Melas]

Quote: Hyperion

Quote: Pavlos Melas

You cannot concentrate on only one direction. On the LDNR, decisions must also be made to find a way out of the situation.

What's the problem? Have all the Armenians already been destroyed? There are only 3 million of them in Russia. And if they are such great patriots, then let them go to defend Karabakh. For some reason, when there was a war in Donbass, the Armenian battalions were not visible.

And who says that Russian soldiers should fight there, why is interference in the conflict perceived: a Russian soldier with a bayonet to the advantage solves some problems? It was about the fact that there is no need to withdraw and allow the undersultan to feel at ease on this site.

[Tahtvjd2868]

It is clear that our Ministry of Foreign Affairs has not learned any lessons since 2008 .. Lavrov has even a stake on his head - there is nothing to expect except concern. I hope at least the MO video will be watched, but at least they will build hangars over the aircraft parking ... otherwise it can easily repeat itself on June 22 .. On Google, any airfield from and to can be calculated ... as there are at the parade ... any drone from a children's store the squadron floor can easily be smashed in an hour X ..