Baku and Yerevan accused each other of "gross violation" of the declared ceasefire

The announced ceasefire agreement on the territory of Karabakh from 12:00 on October 10, 2020 was immediately violated. Armenia and Azerbaijan accused each other of continuing the shelling.

Ignoring the humanitarian ceasefire announced on October 10 at 12:00, Azerbaijani units launched an attack on the Karahambeyli section at 12:05. Units of the Artsakh Defense Army take appropriate measures to suppress the enemy's attack

- said the press secretary of the Armenian Ministry of Defense Shushan Stepanyan.

According to the report, the units of the Karabakh defense army have stopped fighting. At the same time, the Azerbaijani army continues shelling the city of Hadrut. In addition, Yerevan accused Baku of shelling Armenian territory.

The enemy struck at the Yeritsvank rural community, as well as at the Syunik region of Armenia, the Kapan region, Artsvanik region. There is one victim

- Artsrun Hovhannisyan, a representative of the Armenian Defense Ministry, said on Facebook.

In turn, the Ministry of Defense of Azerbaijan announced the shelling of the cities of Teter and Agdam by the Armenian side.

Baku and Yerevan accused each other of gross violation of the ceasefire, while rejecting mutual accusations of continuing hostilities.

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[OgnennyiKotik]

Baku and Yerevan accused each other of gross violation of the ceasefire, while rejecting mutual accusations of continuing hostilities.

Is anyone surprised?

[Bashkirkhan]

Of course not, why would these parties be reconciled.

[Tatyana]

President of Azerbaijan stated

"The military unit, or its first part, has come to an end. Now we have reached a political settlement that will ensure that we will reach the end and get what is rightfully ours, "

Aliyev added that the main factor in the strength of the ceasefire regime will be that Armenia must come to terms with the fact that the territories belong to Azerbaijan.
But Aliyev sounded not quite diplomatic. These are:

What she (the Armenian side) will NEVER SEE them (i.e. the lands of Nagorno-Karabakh) and will not make any attempts to fight it off by military means, "Aliyev said.

See details - https://tass.ru/mezhdunarodnaya-panorama/9682477?utm_source=yxnews&utm_medium=desktop

What does it mean - according to Aliyev - that "Armenian side" Will I NEVER SEE these lands of Nagorno-Karabakh? [/ b]
Does this really mean the subsequent ETHNIC CLEANSING of the entire Armenian population in Nagorno-Karabakh on the part of Azerbaijan?
Seems like this is what it means - that this is exactly how Aliyev's words should be understood!

What kind of WORLD in Nagorno-Karabakh can we talk about then ?!
Not surprisingly, the truce has been broken and shelling continues there!

[kotdavin4i]

Quote: Tatiana

Does this really mean the subsequent ETHNIC CLEANSING of the entire Armenian population in Nagorno-Karabakh on the part of Azerbaijan?

Tatyana - how interesting you are "playing with words" - for you I inform you that about 40 thousand people of Armenian nationality live in Azerbaijan - and somehow no one will "genocide" them
By the way, during the first shelling of the civilian population of the city of Ganja, one of the missiles hit the house of a citizen of Azerbaijan - Karina Grigoryan, born in 1943. How strange huh ???
here is a link to a news site in Russia (well, so that later they would not be accused that the news is Azerbaijani and "everything is lying")
https://vestikavkaza.ru/news/zertvoj-obstrela-gandzi-vojskami-armenii-stala-azerbajdzanskaa-armanka-karina-grigoran.html

[Tatyana]

Quote: kotdavin4i
Tatyana - how interesting you are "playing with words" - for you I inform you that about 40 thousand people of Armenian nationality live in Azerbaijan - and somehow no one will "genocide" them

I'm not playing with words! You don't need to hide behind sophistry and demagogically gloss over historical facts! Namely.

First of all. If there were no Armenian genocide in Azerbaijan in 1988-1984, then there would be many more Armenians living in Azerbaijan, not 40 thousand.
In addition, Azerbaijan enrolls in this number the Armenians and Nagorno-Karabakh, which is legally registered with Azerbaijan!

General A. Lebed - Massacre of Armenians in Baku and Sumgait ..


And secondly. By the way, the same applies to the genocide in the same years and the Russians in Azerbaijan. Namely.
1989 Census the number of Russian population in Azerbaijan was more than 392 thousand.
After the pogroms of Russians in Azerbaijan 1988-1994 according to the population census in Azerbaijan in 2009 the Russian population was only 120 thousand people.

Genocide of Russians in Azerbaijan.

[kotdavin4i]

Quote: Tatiana

Genocide of Russians in Azerbaijan.

But I don’t need to drive the Russian, okay? I was born in 1978 in Baku and now I also live here. many Russian friends, mestizos. and for some reason no one drove us!
at the expense of 40 thousand - this is without taking into account Nagorno-Karabakh - because Karabakh does not supply statistics for Azerbaijan.
As for the Russians - during the collapse of the USSR - many people left not because of persecution - because they were afraid of the war, in addition, they went to visit their relatives in greater Russia. Everyone settled down as best they could.
So Dear, you don't know how to lie - don't try ...

[Tatyana]

Quote: kotdavin4i

So Dear, do not know how to lie - do not take it.

You are telling General Lebed that he is allegedly "lying"!
I trust General Lebed and other Soviet military men more than you!
Better say that you yourself have a mixed marriage! Then that explains a lot.

Quote: kotdavin4i

I was born in 1978 in Baku and now I also live here. many Russian friends, mestizos. and for some reason no one drove us!

So you will find out why you - a 10-year-old child - were not persecuted in 1988! They drove everyone, but you are not! Why?!
And this at a time when the petty-bourgeois nationalist chauvinism among the peoples of the so-called. "titular" nationalities in those years in all national SSRs simply went off scale!

[kotdavin4i]

Quote: Tatiana

Better say that you yourself have a mixed marriage!

Well, in principle, yes - the father is from the Malokans - even under Catherine in Azerbaijan his ancestors settled, the mother had ancestors from near Kherson - it seems like Russians lived there before the revolution

Quote: Tatiana

So you will find out why you - a 10-year-old child - were not persecuted in 1988! They drove everyone, but you are not! Why?!

So I will explain to you that I lived and live in Baku and my friends live here and a close friend, half Belarusian
and you, not knowing the situation, are trying to show yourself smart ...

[Tatyana]

Quote: kotdavin4i

Well, in principle, yes - the father is from the Malokans - even under Catherine in Azerbaijan, his ancestors settled,

Now everything is clear in you!

REFERENCE
Molokans are followers of one of the streams of spiritual Christianity. In the Russian Empire they were classified as "especially harmful heresies" and were persecuted up to the decrees of Emperor Alexander I, dating back to 1803, which gave the Molokans and Dukhobors some freedom.
There is an unusual village in the mountains of Azerbaijan with an atypical Russian name for these places - Ivanovka. Remnants of Russian settlers who were exiled there by Nicholas I in 1847 live here. The reason for this gesture was their faith. The Molokans of Tambov, Voronezh and Saratov were evicted for religious reasons. ... Molokans believe in Christ, but interpret the Bible differently. They do not baptize themselves, do not use icons and hold their meetings not in opulent churches, but in an ascetic "prayer house".

Simply put, you are a Russian Molokan who comes from religious Christian sectarians - enemies of the Russian land!
That is why you were not touched by the "titular" Nazis in Azerbaijan during the collapse of the Soviet Socialist Republic. You were like the Vlasovites for them. Historically, enemies for Russia were - enemies and remain!

[kotdavin4i]

Quote: Tatiana

Historically, enemies for Russia were - enemies and remain!

Ooo - how everything is running, Sorry, of course, I thought you just didn't understand the issue - but you are also a stubborn religious nationalist ...

[Tatyana]

Quote: kotdavin4i

Quote: Tatiana

Historically, enemies for Russia were - enemies and remain!

Ooo - how everything is running, Sorry, of course, I thought you just didn't understand the issue - but you are also a stubborn religious nationalist ...

I am an atheist and happy about it!
Your these extravagant national-chauvinistic religious wars would be absolutely on my side if your religious extremism did not destroy entire states.
This is all started ideologically for you!

[nobody75]

My Dear Friend, please stop embarrassing the poor girl. We all know why you immediately threw away the white flag ("I am a Malokan from the Kherson region! Son of a Turkish citizen"). Let's explain to our dear readers what is happening on the information front of the Karabakh war. Do you agree? Excellent!
In connection with the introduction of the Latin script in Azerbaijan, the majority of the population turned out to be twice illiterate, and the younger generations studied Russian as a foreign language ... I do not argue that there are many smart, educated and intelligent people in Azerbaijan - only no one will allow them to participate in information wars ...
Therefore, the leadership of Azerbaijan made a non-independent decision to hire a Special Brigade of the Information Forces of Ukraine to conduct an information war. In NATO, you and the Balts are responsible for the information war with Russia.
You are not the first "Information Shahid" site with an "exotic" religion. You are simply afraid that some of the Muslims will draw you into a theological dispute, and you blurt out something wrong ... The East, as you know, is a delicate matter. At the moment, the entire Special Brigade can fly off with contentment ... Therefore, you limit yourself to reposting the manuals received from the Azerbaijan Party. In vain are the attempts of respected members of the forum to get information from you about the operational situation - you yourself do not know anything about it and have nothing to do with the conflict.
Sincerely

[kotdavin4i]

Quote: nobody75

You are not the first "Information Shahid"

Dear young man, if you were even a little careful, you might have noticed that I have been on this site for 8 years already - from the ancient "furry" times when relations between Russia and Ukraine were very friendly. On this site there was one very respected moderator Apollon (who died a few years ago - rest in peace to him) who would confirm to you that I am not a Ukrainian and, moreover, not a Baltic. A couple of years ago, on the day of the Navy, I posted my photos from the graduation of the Baku Higher Naval School. If it's not difficult - look for Thomas, you are an unbeliever. What else to tell you - no one will tell you the operational situation - this is confidential information. But the fact that with the beginning of the conflict there appeared quite a lot of "Russians" clearly provoking and trying to offend Azerbaijan - so it can be seen "from where the ears stick out" ...
There is a good old saying: The dog barks - the caravan moves on.
at the moment, the Azerbaijani army continues its difficult work.
so Ilyan - don't try, you can't do it ...
With respect.

[nobody75]

What do you mean! "If there was ... He would confirm ....". But no - and there is no trial.

my mother has ancestors from near Kherson ... I'm not Ukrainian

I agree with you - you are not even a Ukrainian - you have already been "conquered" before. Photos and "cool" videos are more proof. As the saying goes, "The art of Photoshop knows no boundaries."

Azerbaijani army continues its hard work

- mounts video jokes and posts archive photos. I also admire you. You are fighting bravely behind enemy lines. Ukrainian Werewolf in the Armenian rear. Abandoned by its Azerbaijani masters.

The dog barks - the caravan goes.

Well, bark and go ... Break into the Ukraine ...
At this very time, Aliyev said in an interview with RBC that he was ready to negotiate with Armenia within the framework of the Minsk Group. And tearfully belittles to include Turkey anywhere. It doesn't look like Armenia's unconditional surrender ... And Karabakh is not occupied either.
And, forgive me, what have I insulted Azerbaijan with? I wrote a lie somewhere? What graphics are there? Cyrillic? Latin? Imagine what it is like for an adult to sit down to write down? However, you "non-Ukrainian" are no strangers to changing the "sovereign language". And once in the Kherson region the Russians lived ... and before them the Hellenes ... Maybe I was terribly mistaken and you - "Ancient Greek"?
Sincerely
PS
And for "Youth" - special thanks

[karabas86]

So you don't have to drive yourself, you can recall the events! 990, I then served in Baku and remember very well how they fled and how they drove out the Russians, and before that, remember Sumgait ?, I accompanied the columns of refugees from Nakhichevan to Armenia and back. Drive the sweetest to the one who was not there.

[kotdavin4i]

Quote: karabas86

Drive the sweetest to the one who was not there.

1. Baku - spelled with a capital letter.
2. If you served in Baku (which I doubt) then you should have seen Azerbaijani refugees from Armenia and Karabakh.
or in your words-Azerbaijan drove everyone out and genocide-and Armenia is "pink and fluffy" ???
When there is no conscience you can't buy it!
By the way, judging by your nickname - 86 is the year of your birth. (Well, purely psychologically, so many do this - indicating numbers in the nickname - usually this is the year of birth if such a nickname is busy) So at 4 years old it is a phenomenon to accompany columns of refugees!

[nobody75]

My Dear Non-Ukrainian Friend! The massacre in Baku (its significant phase) began in 1988. As you probably remember, all strategic objects were taken under the protection of the internal troops. Yes, yes, with the right to use. Remember how the patrols went around the city? In bulletproof jackets, with Kalash ... Do you remember how you drank tea in the teahouse? From small glass glasses with sugar cubes? Forgive me, I got carried away, you just never drank such tea as in Baku ...
As for Karabakh ... Until 88, all "Armenian separatism" in Karabakh was successfully suppressed by the local militia. As you remember, there was an anecdote about a boy detained at a rally in Baku: "
- Why did you come to the meeting?
- We are Armenians, we need land!
- Why do you need the land?
- We have a small garden.
Therefore, I am amused by the stories on the site that the Karabakh conflict has a thousand-year history and is insoluble in principle. You remember very well that the ancient and glorious family of the "Karabakh Kings" stems from the local first secretary of the regional committee ...
And the Karabakh conflict has its own fathers - founders - two states. and desks. activist - Vizirov and Mutalibov. In Baku then both were cursed ... But personally, I do not believe in the role of personalities in history.
Why? More on this in the next tutorial.
Sincerely

[nobody75]

So, my Dear Non-Ukrainian Friend, in the last training manual we briefly outlined the situation in Baku before the start of the Karabakh crisis. And at the same time, milestones were outlined for the formation of a positive image of Azerbaijan, in order to create an image management program.
By the mid-80s of the last century, centrifugal forces within the USSR became noticeable to ordinary Soviet citizens, especially those who lived in the national outskirts. What could the numerous Armenian diasporas in the republics of Central Asia and the North Caucasus do?
Over the long years of the existence of the USSR, they got used to leading a not entirely Soviet way of life ... With "national indulgences" for those republics where they lived. It was possible, of course, to move to Armenia, but there they would be quickly built, "dispossessed", and some could have been closed ... Therefore, representatives of the above-mentioned diasporas chose Nagorno-Karabakh. He seems to be Armenian, but obeys "his own, native Asians" with whom they know how to do business. A massive purchase of plots and the construction of palaces began ...
What has this led to in socio - economic terms? More on this in the next tutorial.
Sincerely

[karabas86]

I said somewhere that Armenians are fluffy? The question was about Baku. With a year of birth, you got bogged down, but for the narrow-minded it is normal, I like to joke.

[moscowp]

Tatiana is clearly the daughter of Ashot, put aside an officer! Many of them have registered on the site in recent days and on the one hand and on the other. Regarding how freely Russians live in Azerbaijan, I will allow myself to doubt. I personally know one Russian and one Armenian family who hastily fled from Baku in 90 during the massacre, and I well remember their stories of eyewitnesses of those events.

[Bakinec]

In my opinion, you are not Tatiana, but a simple hairy ashot who tears the fifth point so that Russia stands up for the defense of the Armenians.

[Tatyana]

Quote: Bakinec

In my opinion, you are not Tatiana, but a simple hairy ashot who tears the fifth point so that Russia stands up for the defense of the Armenians.

I need no war on the borders of Russia! I'm fed up with Russophobia and national chauvinism on the part of the so-called. "titular" nationalities!

In Soviet times, the Bolsheviks entrusted you with statehood, administratively dividing the territory of the former Republic of Ingushetia on the basis of the so-called. "titular" nationality - and you destroyed and destroyed a great multinational country with your petty-power nationalist chauvinism!

If you do not know how to manage your multinational state, return the former Russian lands back to Russia! Delov something !!!
Enough to fight and toil the foolishness! Stop destroying what all our fathers and grandfathers, our previous generations, created!

[Bakinec]

If you are fed up with what you write "up to the throat" with Russophobia - why in your comments there is not a single bad word about Armenia - where Russian schools are closed, Russian TV channels are banned, Russians shout out of Armenia?
In Azerbaijan, 300 secondary schools throughout the country, 18 local universities and 38 secondary specialized educational institutions are taught in Russian. Among our national heroes there are Russians - Yuri Kovalev. Show me some photo or video where in Azerbaijan they would speak badly about the Russians. And the alleged persecution of Russians in 1990 is a fairy tale without any proof. Just words and that's it.

[Tatyana]

Quote: Bakinec

If you are fed up with what you write "up to the throat" with Russophobia - why in your comments there is not a single bad word about Armenia - where Russian schools are closed, Russian TV channels are banned, Russians shout out of Armenia?

You simply did not read my comments on the "color" coup in Armenia with the coming to power of Pashinyan.

Quote: Bakinec

In Azerbaijan, 300 secondary schools throughout the country, 18 local universities and 38 secondary specialized educational institutions are taught in Russian.

Erdogan, in the war with the Armenians, hooked Aliyev on his proxy bandits from Idlib, like a drug.
Azerbaijan has already found itself in the cage of Turkish pantiukism. And soon the Russians in Azerbaijan will be finished too! Presumably, you will see this process with your own eyes during your lifetime!

[Bakinec]

Yes, your diagnosis is obvious.

[karabas86]

And you're like a shaved mamed.

[alexmach]

Armenians would live in Azerbaijan not 40 thousand, but much more.
In addition, Azerbaijan enrolls in this number the Armenians and Nagorno-Karabakh,

Is it okay that about 100 thousand of them live in Karabakh? How to enroll in this number 100 thousand to get 40?

[One Uncle]

the degree grows, and with it the numbers. over the past 2 weeks the figure of 30t sounded. Now 40t. Who are you trying to deceive? Really, they would change the training manual (nothing personal). Remember the church, Karina Grigoryan and Azniv with Ibrahim. Hateful comments in social networks speak volumes about the opposite. They hammer on peaceful cities after the declaration of a truce - so that more civilians will die after leaving the basements. I generally keep quiet about the church with journalists. And all the rhetoric - look, they say, we have Armenians between the lines suggests that we have them, despite the fact that they are Armenians)))) Whom are you trying to deceive? Peace to all at this difficult time.

[alexmach]

Does this really mean the subsequent ETHNIC CLEANSING of the entire Armenian population in Nagorno-Karabakh on the part of Azerbaijan?
It seems that this is exactly what means - that this is exactly how Aliyev's words should be understood!

Let's face it, Aliyev didn't say anything like that.

[Tatyana]

Quote: alexmach

Does this really mean the subsequent ETHNIC CLEANSING of the entire Armenian population in Nagorno-Karabakh on the part of Azerbaijan?
It seems that this is exactly what means - that this is exactly how Aliyev's words should be understood!

Let's face it, Aliyev didn't say anything like that.

Did not tell. But Aliyev added something completely different! Namely:

Quote: Tatiana

Aliyev added that the main factor in the strength of the ceasefire regime will be that Armenia must come to terms with the fact that the territories belong to Azerbaijan.
However, this did not sound very diplomatic from the lips of Aliyev. Namely:

What is she (Armenian side) their (i.e. lands of Nagorno-Karabakh) WILL NEVER SEE again and will not make any attempts to fight it off by military means, "Aliyev said

See details - https://tass.ru/mezhdunarodnaya-panorama/9682477?utm_source=yxnews&utm_medium=desktop

QUESTION. In what case can the Armenians (ie "the Armenian side") "NEVER EVER" see the lands of Nagorno-Karabakh?
Only if from - Armenians - there will NEVER BE ANYONE else !!!
ANSWER. This can only happen with a forceful decision on the part of the Azerbaijanis themselves - i.e. as a result of ethnic cleansing of the lands of Nagorno-Karabakh by Azerbaijanis in general from ALL Armenians !!!
What can be incomprehensible to someone here?

[alexmach]

In what case can the Armenians (ie "the Armenian side") "NEVER EVER" see the lands of Nagorno-Karabakh?

First, who said about the lands of Nagorno-Karabakh. From the above quote it is not clear what this is all about.

Only if from - Armenians - there will NEVER BE ANYONE else !!!

Also far-fetched. Armenians as individuals and the "Armenian side" are absolutely different things.

What can be incomprehensible to someone here?

All clear. They thought it out 2 times, what was not said and present it as a fact. What for? Are you pumping? Well pump it up.

[Tatyana]

Quote: alexmach

Armenians as individuals and the "Armenian side" are absolutely different things.

You explain to the Armenians and Azerbaijanis who is an Armenian private person and who is not, when there will be a massacre there again! And she will definitely be there!
There are no preconditions for this ethnic massacre of Armenians there because of Azerbaijan and Turkey!
Don't be so naive yourself!

[alexmach]

You explain it to the Armenians and Azerbaijanis

The Azerbaijanis are explaining to you right here that they already have Armenians in the country.

And she will definitely be there!

Well, that's where we had to start. You proceed from the assumption that the massacre will take place, pass it off as an axiom, and then adjust the facts to fit this, such as Aliyev's statement above. Such is the twisting of reality and cause-and-effect relationships inside out. Or simple manipulation.

PS: I really don't know if there will be a massacre, my crystal ball is lost somewhere. Maybe it will or maybe not, maybe the Armenians will be evacuated from there, maybe Azerbaijan will not be able to take Karabakh by military force, maybe it will, but it will do without the massacre (which, by the way, they officially stated from the first days), maybe they will come to a peaceful solution, and bringing in peacekeepers.

ZYY: well, if we talk about the massacre of the 80s of the 90s, first of all, both sides distinguished themselves there, and in Armenia there were almost no Azerbaijanis or Russians left either. My wife recalls how Armenian children threw stones at them in a military town in Khanlar. Those same Armenian children who were later kicked out of there by Azerbaijanis. And this is in a military town with armed guards.

[Tatyana]

Quote: alexmach

but it will do without a massacre (which, by the way, they officially announced from the first days), maybe at all

No Erdogan with his revanchist Turkoman-Nazi idea of ​​the revival of the Ottoman Empire with the inclusion of Azerbaijan in it, no Aliyev in Azerbaijan will simply really allow not to slaughter Armenians and other ethnic groups in Azerbaijan! Namely.
If the Armenians in Nagorno-Karabakh of Azerbaijan are not massacred by the Azerbaijanis themselves, then the proxy warriors of the Turkish Sultan Erdogan from Idlib will do it for the Azerbaijanis for plunder as a salary in the war. And war crimes against Armenians will be blamed on Aliyev and Azerbaijanis.
Aliyev and Azerbaijan are hostages of the Ottomist Erdogan!

You, Alexander, are a philosopher-metaphysician, and therefore you analyze only what lies on the surface, without delving dialectically into internal cause-and-effect relationships. Therefore, it seems to you that I am manipulating you.

[alexmach]

With the inclusion of Azerbaijan in the Ottoman Empire, no Aliyev in Azerbaijan will simply really not be allowed not to slaughter Armenians and other ethnic groups in Azerbaijan!

Has Erdogan already slaughtered other ethnic groups in Turkey itself? The same Kurds?

You, Alexander, are a philosopher-metaphysician and therefore you analyze only what lies on the surface

I just try to base my opinion on facts. That's all. There is no point in scaring Armenians with Turks or Azerbaijanis - they can't stand them anyway. And Russia must first of all think about its interests in the Transcaucasus.

[Tatyana]

Quote: alexmach

Has Erdogan already slaughtered other ethnic groups in Turkey itself? The same Kurds?

Because Erdogan cut out other ethnic groups in Turkey itself, he and his proxy bandits from Idlib will cut them out in Azerbaijan, regardless of any assurances of Aliyev to the contrary!
Aliyev is hooked by Erdogan. And Erdogan is hooked by the US Pentagon intelligence services.

[alexmach]

That's because Erdogan cut out other ethnic groups in Turkey itself

What ethnic groups did Erdogan cut out in Turkey? What are you talking about? Do you think there are no Kurds left?

[Tatyana]

Quote: alexmach

There is no point in scaring the Armenians with Turks or Azerbaijanis - they can't stand them anyway.

At the same time, Erdogan only adds fuel to the fire of the war between them in his own pan-Turkish interests.

And Russia must first of all think about its interests in the Transcaucasus.

Peaceful settlement of the war between Azerbaijanis and Armenians without outside interference and incitement of war between them by Turkey is the task of protecting the national interests of the Russian Federation in the Transcaucasus!

[military_cat]

Quote: Bashkirkhan

Of course not, why would these parties be reconciled?

Will there be, I wonder, any responsibility for the breakdown of the agreements announced by Lavrov?

In response to the appeal of the President of the Russian Federation Vladimir Putin and in accordance with the agreements of the President of the Russian Federation Vladimir Putin

If not, it will clearly not enhance international prestige.

[Piramidon]

Quote: OgnennyiKotik

Baku and Yerevan accused each other of gross violation of the ceasefire, while rejecting mutual accusations of continuing hostilities.

Is anyone surprised?

Me not. In any such conflict, such "assaults" are quite common. Passed 100/500 times.

[Vadim237]

The truce did not last even five minutes.

[Nychego]

The announced ceasefire agreement on the territory of Karabakh from 12:00 on October 10, 2020 was immediately violated.

For a moment I had no doubt that it would be so.
There is not the slightest sense for Azerbaijan to cease fire: it’s just to give the Armenians a break, the opportunity to strengthen, replenish the units in the DB zone with people and means.
The Armenians are not the guys to endure the Azerbaijani shelling and hope for some Lavrov.
The result is logical.

[OgnennyiKotik]

Azerbaijan will never accept the results of the negotiations, where there were two Armenians against one Azerbaijanian.

[Nychego]

Quote: OgnennyiKotik

Azerbaijan will never accept the results of the negotiations, where there were two Armenians against one Azerbaijanian.

They will accept it if (beyond all expectations) the Armenian tanks keep the Baku oil fields at gunpoint at direct fire.

So far, none of the parties has achieved their goals or is not exhausted to the extent that they cannot continue armed resistance, therefore, there is a war, and all truces are doomed to death even before birth.

[HAM]

Today I read on the internet an open letter (already disappeared from the websites), the wife of the downed Azerbaijani pilot. This is a cry from the heart and accusation of Aliyev in the war "in numbers and meat", she says that pilots are forbidden to eject, as they fly with Turkish "mentors", who should not be captured ... and the catapults are removed .. her husband died on October 3rd.
There was a photocopy of the letter and a translation into Russian.

[Nychego]

Quote: HAM

Today I read an open letter in the internet (it has already disappeared from the websites), the wife of the downed Azerbaijani pilot.

The language of the original letter is interesting, if such existed in nature at all.
An active war of propagandists is going on and the price of a "grasping" text is now about 3 rubles for 000 characters.

Probably, this lady did not even indicate which plane her husband flew on, although the wives of the flyers are well aware of the technique, the commanders, and the alignments in the units, and a lot of other details of the service of their husbands.

[HAM]

https://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/6228977.html

if interested,

[Nychego]

Quote: HAM

if interested,

Thank you. I'll drop by Kassad and read it.

[HAM]

Somehow I didn’t think it was Shushana’s tricks ..

[Hypertension]

Quote: HAM

she says that the pilots are forbidden to eject, as they fly with Turkish "mentors" who should not be captured ... and the catapults are removed ..

Were there stories that supposedly Armenian soldiers were chained to trucks and machine guns? So the Azerbaijani pilots are "chained" ... Propaganda does not spare anyone.

[Alex Justice]

So the Azerbaijani pilots are "chained".

No, the plane is chained to the pilot.

[saigon]

Actually, the legend about the chained from the First World War, although in fact they found chained Austrian soldiers with machine guns, the soldiers themselves asked to be chained to machine guns and covered the retreat of their own.
The legend was born and went to live in the world

[Observer2014]

Quote: HAM

Today I read on the internet an open letter (already disappeared from the websites), the wife of the downed Azerbaijani pilot. This is a cry from the heart and accusation of Aliyev in the war "in numbers and meat", she says that pilots are forbidden to eject, as they fly with Turkish "mentors", who should not be captured ... and the catapults are removed .. her husband died on October 3rd.
There was a photocopy of the letter and a translation into Russian.

What an atrocity. Horror .. What wild fantasies cannot be imagined on this terrible Internet. Nightmare. And you saw how the Chinese from unborn children love to eat soup! In general, the heart bleeds.

[Krasnodar]

Quote: OgnennyiKotik

Azerbaijan will never accept the results of the negotiations, where there were two Armenians against one Azerbaijanian.

Write nonsense. Even if instead of Lavrov there was a man named Mikoyan, with the benefit of Azerbaijan, everything would be fulfilled to the last comma of the document.

[Vadim237]

Damn Lavrov and Russia were exposed to the whole world as complete clowns in the negotiation process.

[Krasnodar]

On the contrary ... the Russians tried to solve everything peacefully, and the parties to the conflict, driven by centuries of enmity, did not fulfill the conditions that they pledged to fulfill. Lavrov is handsome, Putin is a peacemaker, and the boys solve their problems by making orders for Russian ammunition and equipment.

[Bashkirkhan]

Judging by the video files posted by Azerbaijan today, they intend to extinguish the Armenians in the truce regime as before, or even more intensively, but each time with the proviso that this is the destruction of the Armenians who violated the truce.
At the same time, the "international community" can calmly go about its business - covid, newcomer, trump and biden, and not pay attention to Karabakh - there is also a truce.

[Krasnodar]

Everyone there, except Turkey and Russia, does not care.

[volodimer]

Not certainly in that way. There are also "a number of interested persons" who would like not only Armenians to grapple with Azerbaijanis, but also Russia and Turkey. Moreover, in any scenario that changes the status quo, these "faces" will benefit. And that Russia, that Turkey will receive only the appearance of "victory" at the expense of each other, and this "victory" will not benefit either side (this is not only about Russia and Turkey, but also about Armenia and Azerbaijan).
Perhaps the best result at the moment would be the withdrawal of Armenians from part of the territories they occupied with the preservation of the NKR and the Lachin corridor. Then "Aliyev is well fed and the Armenians are safe."
But this is exclusively my opinion, not claiming to be true. The problem has too long history.

[Pavlos Melas]

Quote: Vadim237

Damn Lavrov and Russia were exposed to the whole world as complete clowns in the negotiation process.

On the contrary, Russia has shown that Transcaucasia is still a Russian sandbox.

[Pavlos Melas]

Quote: Pavlos Melas

Quote: Vadim237

Damn Lavrov and Russia were exposed to the whole world as complete clowns in the negotiation process.

On the contrary, Russia has shown that Transcaucasia is still a Russian sandbox.

Two Turks didn't like it

[Virus-free crown]

It even ceases to amaze me that in any truce its violation begins, and no one bears responsibility for this ... Although, it seems that for at least 20+ years there are technical controls that allow you to fix where the "splash" came from (and right there "punish" with a retaliatory shot already with your "plops") Since we were not given proof, both sides are to blame ... I think so ...

[Krasnodar]

Press Secretary of the RA Defense Ministry Shushan Stepanyan said that after the statement following the meeting of the Foreign Ministers of Armenia, Russia and Azerbaijan in Moscow, the Azerbaijani armed forces increased the use of drones in the southern direction. "Units of the Artsakh Defense Army suppress all attacks of the enemy, causing significant losses in manpower and in the arsenal of the UAV. The enemy despicably tries to change the situation until 12:00 Saturday, October 10, before the ceasefire announced for humanitarian purposes

The situation is like in the Arab-Israeli wars. The Azerbaijanis are trying to take the maximum territory before the armistice, which no one will return later, the Armenians tried to prevent this, as a result, the parties did not meet the time frame. Hopefully they will coordinate a ceasefire.

[rotkiv04]

azz ... they have already run up against the mountains, this is where their offensive ended, now it will rain and snow, and this can already be said to be a defeat, they will not withstand a trench war

[Krasnodar]

The question is, what will they do next. If in the shortest time they start araku in the center, simultaneously with the continuation of pressure from the North and South, they will lose many people, but inflict considerable losses on the Armenian side, which will allow them to reach the truce that is necessary for the NKR by November and prepare for the next summer / autumn round with improved positions. As for the Armenians, they need to improve the Fortifications in the mountains, scoring them for battles in the valley, where the enemy is superior.

[Vadim237]

They will take the territory bordering with Iran in the southeastern direction and will gain a foothold there and will iron all the mountain ranges with crossfire of artillery and then from the northwest they will begin the same offensive, thereby taking the NKR into a semi-circle.

[Krasnodar]

Yes, I agree.

[rotkiv04]

I agree, but here it is not known who time is playing, by the summer / autumn campaign the military-political situation may change so much that Aliyev will have to play everything back

[Krasnodar]

In terms of international pressure? I don't know what needs to happen for this

[saigon]

To take maximum territories is to climb into rough terrain with infantry, and this is a loss.
And if it rains everyone is up.

[Krasnodar]

It is clear that the fortified area in the mountains is a tough nut to crack, and technological superiority will not help much there. If Azerbaijanis are not ready to storm Karabakh now, they should train until the next round in July-August somewhere in Turkey on a similar terrain. The Armenians, however, should stock up on MANPADS to saturate their units with them, abandon heavy equipment and improve their fortified area.

[parusnik]

"The music did not play for a long time, the fraer danced for a short time" (c) ... Until a single Armenian remains in NKR, the war will not end. And then a new one will begin, because of revenge ... Until each other is cut. peoples, wild morals, with an ancient culture ...

[apro]

Quote: parusnik

Wild peoples, wild manners, with an ancient culture ...

It does not fit ... not with culture, I think with history, which teaches nothing.

[parusnik]

I think with a story. which teaches nothing.

... So the whole story, they cut each other ... with not long breaks ... They got used to ...

[Krasnodar]

So in Europe, how many years she cut each other and not only)). For the transformation of the massacre, two world wars were needed with tens of millions of victims and the use of chemical weapons and nuclear weapons. After (God forbid, of course) mountains of corpses on both sides and destroyed countries, these guys will also understand that it is better to negotiate.

[parusnik]

these guys will also understand that it is better to negotiate.

... "It's unlikely" (c)

[RVAPatriot]

This is a song without a beginning, this song without an end ... Exactly fits the current realities ...

[MKPU-115]

The first warning has already begun.
"The Russian Aerospace Forces attacked the training camps for Turkish militants who were supposed to go to Karabakh."
https://piter.tv/event/VKS_Rossii_zavisli_nad_lageryami_podgotovki_terroristov_dlya_vojni_v_Nagornom_Karabahe/

https://rusvesna.su/news/1602179832
A training camp for mercenaries in the area of ​​n. p. Muazzara

[Bakinec]

And who told you that they wanted to go to Azerbaijan? Is it written on their tents?

[MKPU-115]

Quote: Bakinec

And who told you that they wanted to go to Azerbaijan? Is it written on their tents?

Unfortunately, or someone's joy, we will never know this. Allah will deal with them there in heaven.

[Bakinec]

It doesn't seem to you that by throwing out such fake information, you just muddy the waters.

[MKPU-115]

Quote: Bakinec

It doesn't seem to you that by throwing out such fake information, you just muddy the waters.

https://rusvesna.su/news/1601897421
According to Syrian sources, militants receive up to $ 2 a month for participation in hostilities.

[MKPU-115]

Quote: Bakinec

It doesn't seem to you that by throwing out such fake information, you just muddy the waters.

Russia rendered Armenia and Karabakh a serious service - the camps of Turkish terrorists aimed at the war in the NKR were destroyed
More details at: https://avia.pro/news/vks-rossii-nanesli-udary-po-tureckim-boevikam-napravlennym-v-karabah

[MKPU-115]

Quote: Bakinec

It doesn't seem to you that by throwing out such fake information, you just muddy the waters.

Syrian militants have declassified terrorist training camps to be sent to Karabakh.
As part of a new campaign against international terrorism, the military intelligence of the SAR offered to pay from $ 100 to $ 300 to those who provided data on the objects of the Hayat Tahrir al-Sham terrorist group in the Idlib zone.
“In response to the call to hand over the coordinates of terrorist facilities, pro-Turkish militants told our scouts about militant training camps, in which both international terrorists and other mercenaries train, who are sent from there to the war in Nagorno-Karabakh,” the officer said.
https://yerkramas.org/article/175255/sirijskie-boeviki-rassekretili-lagerya-podgotovki-terroristov-dlya-otpravki-v-karabax

[MKPU-115]

Quote: Bakinec

And who told you that they wanted to go to Azerbaijan? Is it written on their tents?

Massacre in Karabakh: Corpses of militants fly to Syria in a stream (+ PHOTO, VIDEO)
Considering the massive nature of the involvement of Syrian militants in hostilities, according to a number of media outlets, there are already more than 2,5 of them in Nagorno-Karabakh, and the number of deaths will increase in the near future.
Source: https://rusvesna.su/news/1601897421

[Bakinec]

All this "proof" of yours is not worth toilet paper. Someone told someone, someone showed it to someone. Some photos of corpses I don't know where, but someone said that from Azerbaijan. Aren't you disgusted by yourself?

[MKPU-115]

Quote: Bakinec

All this "proof" of yours is not worth toilet paper.

A good argument, the photo cannot be trusted, but your word can
October 6, 2020, 17:04 - News - The Russian Aerospace Forces are preparing a massive attack on the coordinates of terrorist training camps for participation in hostilities in Nagorno-Karabakh on the side of Azerbaijan transferred by the militants.

“For a fee, Syrian militants have declassified the terrorist army training camps for Nagorno-Karabakh in the Idlib de-escalation zone. Reconnaissance was carried out promptly, the information was confirmed, "War Gonzo Telegram channel reports.
https://arm-world.ru/news/novostnik/62869-vks-rf-gotovjat-massirovannyj-udar-po-lagerjam-podgotovki-terroristov-dlja-otpravki-v-karabah.html

[Bakinec]

Who are you linking to? This War Gonzo is a pawn of Aram Gabrelyanov. The same is my reliable source. Keep: https://haqqin.az/news/191264

[MKPU-115]

Quote: Bakinec

Keep: https://haqqin.az/news/191264

Galimy non-governmental channel funded by Turkey))))

[saigon]

I have doubts about the militants for one reason, why are these little guys there?
Put yourself in the shoes of an Azeri officer or soldier, you don't need such reliable allys, to fight along with such, forgive the shit nearby, is not very good. And then this trash will somehow have to be disposed of because they will climb to rob.
And drive them ahead of them than with machine guns in the back?
The army is the army and I think they won't want to get dirty with shit.

[saigon]

Are you a dear man of militants sorry or what?
The more they leave, the more the beam. And it doesn't matter that they are written on the tents.

[Bakinec]

I don't care about the militants. I do not like that they are associated with Azerbaijan based on information sucked from the finger.

[Rusinoff]

Baku and Yerevan accused each other of "gross violation" of the declared ceasefire

They will wait for the Russians to come and push everyone with mats ... and first of all, Turkey (to Erdogan)

[apro]

Quote: Rusinoff

They will wait for the Russians to come and push everyone with mats ..

What for?

[Rusinoff]

Quote: apro

Quote: Rusinoff

They will wait for the Russians to come and push everyone with mats ..

What for?

To secure the borders of Russia .. I hope you are familiar with the Anaconda plan or are you one of those who have lost everything, is it time to give up?

[apro]

Quote: Rusinoff

To secure the borders of Russia

If there are traitors in the Kremlin, then what's the point?

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

Quote: apro

If there are traitors in the Kremlin, then what's the point?

Where are the non-betrayers sitting?

[apro]

Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich

Where are the non-betrayers sitting?

I don't see those in the upper layers ...

[Nychego]

Quote: Rusinoff

They will wait for the Russians to come and push everyone with mats ... and first of all, Turkey (to Erdogan)

They won't wait. Because they will not come.

[Rusinoff]

Quote: Nychego

Quote: Rusinoff

They will wait for the Russians to come and push everyone with mats ... and first of all, Turkey (to Erdogan)

They won't wait. Because they will not come.

Well, yes, just a hint ... And if the devils from the BV are thrown into this conflict, then do not discourage Alla, I'm in the bar ..)))

Experience is available ...

[apro]

Have not fought yet ... there is still enough foolishness. not all knocked out ...

[rotkiv04]

so they are stupid, as we have fools and bad roads for another hundred years at least enough

[rotkiv04]

Only an external force can reconcile these abnormalities, which will rip off the heads of the most frostbitten ones, and disperse the rest to their caves, that's who just wants to take on this burden. Maybe just let them wet each other and calm down

[Keyser soze]

war is very costly,

Tell this to the Houthis. The Armenians can sit in their heads until spring and then drive to Baku.

[Pavlos Melas]

Quote: Keyser Soze

war is very costly,

Tell this to the Houthis. The Armenians can sit in their heads until spring and then drive to Baku.

Maybe they won't drive to Baku, but the Armenians have done a favor for us and you, we need to draw conclusions.

[Keyser soze]

Maybe they won't drive to Baku, but the Armenians have done a favor for us and you, we need to draw conclusions.

I drew conclusions for myself, but I really hope that your and our governments will do the same. Because only you and us can confront the Turkofuhrer.

1. We must arm ourselves to the teeth. This is what you and we are already doing.
2. It is necessary to revive the Balkan Union - Bulgaria, Greece, Serbia. I don’t really believe in NATO. Look for such mumbles ...

[Pavlos Melas]

Of course, we have an enemy at the gate, we must arm ourselves and cooperate. Well, also use the fact that we are in the EU and wherever you can economically slow down Turkey.

[Lord of the Sith]

It is not necessary to compare the banana-eaters of the illiterate and accustomed to the comfort and impunity of the Transcaucasian Jews

[maktub]

Absolutely not surprised, why would Baku slow down?

[MKPU-115]

Quote: maktub

Absolutely not surprised, why would Baku slow down?

That would have enough strength to skiddle back.

[maktub]

According to TGK, Baku is less than 70 km away from Stepanokert (if you believe). The channel is neutral

[MKPU-115]

Quote: maktub

According to TGK, Baku is less than 70 km away from Stepanokert (if you believe). The channel is neutral

But what about the ceasefire and truce?

[maktub]

These are questions for the political leadership of the signatory countries

[MKPU-115]

Quote: maktub

These are questions for the political leadership of the signatory countries

Kuzhugetovich's department can also join if the signatory countries do not fulfill their obligations. Traditionally, they will start with IS militants, have already begun.

[Livonetc]

What a joyful prophetic orgy.
This happens in most cases.
It will settle down.
Of course, if this truce is in the interests of both sides.

[iouris]

Well, Sergey Viktorovich, did your diplomatic experience and personal charm help you? Can Shoigu help?

[rocket757]

The process is difficult, but you SHOULD do that!

[Victorm]

Quote: MKPU-115

The first warning has already begun.
"The Russian Aerospace Forces attacked the training camps for Turkish militants who were supposed to go to Karabakh."
https://piter.tv/event/VKS_Rossii_zavisli_nad_lageryami_podgotovki_terroristov_dlya_vojni_v_Nagornom_Karabahe/

https://rusvesna.su/news/1602179832
A training camp for mercenaries in the area of ​​n. p. Muazzara

Now 4000 have already been deployed, then they should have gone ...

[MKPU-115]

Quote: VictorM

Quote: MKPU-115

The first warning has already begun.
"The Russian Aerospace Forces attacked the training camps for Turkish militants who were supposed to go to Karabakh."
https://piter.tv/event/VKS_Rossii_zavisli_nad_lageryami_podgotovki_terroristov_dlya_vojni_v_Nagornom_Karabahe/

https://rusvesna.su/news/1602179832
A training camp for mercenaries in the area of ​​n. p. Muazzara

Now 4000 have already been deployed, then they should have gone ...

Are you worried about yours? Do not twitch, we will deliver to the sky carefully, Allah will be pleased.

[Victorm]

Quote: Keyser Soze

war is very costly,

Tell this to the Houthis. The Armenians can sit in their heads until spring and then drive to Baku.

The Armenians cannot sit in the mountains or fight like the Houthis. Grown men, you tell each other fairy tales.

[Old26]

Quote: HAM

Today I read an open letter in the internet (it has already disappeared from the websites), the wife of the downed Azerbaijani pilot.

Is this where she described that Azerbaijani pilots fly with disabled catapults so that there is a guarantee that they will not surrender if they are killed? The letter reminds of an old and well-known anecdote: "Dear mother! I am writing to you from a damaged tank on the boot of a deceased comrade ..."

[Victorm]

Quote: MKPU-115

Quote: VictorM

Quote: MKPU-115

The first warning has already begun.
"The Russian Aerospace Forces attacked the training camps for Turkish militants who were supposed to go to Karabakh."
https://piter.tv/event/VKS_Rossii_zavisli_nad_lageryami_podgotovki_terroristov_dlya_vojni_v_Nagornom_Karabahe/

https://rusvesna.su/news/1602179832
A training camp for mercenaries in the area of ​​n. p. Muazzara

Now 4000 have already been deployed, then they should have gone ...

Are you worried about yours? Do not twitch, we will deliver to the sky carefully, Allah will be pleased.

No, they are not mine, this Russian-Turkish gum It's just already screaming to watch how "they finished it off, well, they completely finished it off, as if they finished it off, finally finished it off, undoubtedly finished it off, this time they just finished it off," and then we repeat the unknown finger sucked from the Hayev, the story about the fact that AL 4000 was thrown ALREADY and hundreds are preparing for sending. Moreover, they fly on airplane carpets, turning off the transponder, which cannot be detected, and how and when did they arrive in Transcaucasia

[Victorm]

The heavy artillery of the Armenian Armed Forces, deployed to the firing points in order to violate the ceasefire, was destroyed by precise strikes, the Azerbaijani Defense Ministry reports.

They also destroyed the air defense systems that the Armenian side deployed to combat positions.


As we can see, in principle, peacekeepers are not needed, Azerbaijan is able, confirming with objective data, to destroy all the weapons that Armenia began to transfer and deploy, instead of fulfilling the goals and objectives of the humanitarian truce for which it has been asking for so long, I will note in every possible way refusing to even discuss the possibility of accepting the bodies of their dead servicemen through Georgia through the mediation of the Red Cross and the Crescent.

This proves once again that in other conditions Azerbaijan would not have to agree to a truce, and respect and curtsy in favor of Russia will now cost more than a dozen casualties among our servicemen.
And this once again proves that Armenia does not reckon with Russia and will violate ANY agreements where Russia will act as the guarantor, in other words, the dog does not know the owner. Thus, using Russia and compromising it as a serious and influential partner, Armenia has finally undermined the authority of Russia as a state capable of influencing Armenia and being the guarantor of its implementation of all agreements.
What can I say, my humble opinion, this is another mistake of Armenia, which will only lead to even greater casualties and will now greatly narrow the possibilities of Russia to support it in the negotiation process. Even if Armenia, having changed its mind, crawls on the belly in front of her, no one has ever believed in Armenia, and now they will not believe in the authority and ability of Russia to guarantee Armenia's compliance with the agreements. It is clear that while Pashinyan is at the helm there is an order from the Master in star-striped shorts, but this is already a problem for Russia - not sure about a partner, is there any point in acting as an arbiter in negotiations? ...

It was necessary not to stop Azerbaijan and allow the situation to be brought to the point where the Armenians themselves would hang Pashinyan in front of the American embassy in Yerevan.

[nobody75]

Excuse me, has Hadrut been taken?
And we'll deal with the barmalei ... It's not a quick matter.
The Banderaites, for example, were never finished off ...
Probably because they pretended to be Azerbaijanis ...
Sincerely

[Whirlwind]

There is a third party there that muddied this war not for truce, but for a deadly fire, which should spread to Central Asia, and then to Russia and China ...

[icant007]

Well, what was required to prove.
The result of the negotiations is zero.

I was in another thread for this thesis in the morning they severely minus)))

However, now they will probably also minus. Like don't tweet already)

[Victorm]

Quote: Whirlwind

There is a third party there that muddied this war not for truce, but for a deadly fire, which should spread to Central Asia, and then to Russia and China ...

"Amers are not up to the Transcaucasia" many say so, naively believing that the entire embassy in Yerevan, instead of working, sits in front of a zombie boxer and watches Trump's debate with Biden, how Trump's coronavirus develops, etc. They WORK and who doesn't care will be in the White House, their policy, by and large, does not change.

[Metallurg_2]

There will never be peace between Armenians and Turks.

[Victorm]

Quote: Metallurg_2

There will never be peace between Armenians and Turks.

Well, let them sort it out with the Turks ... they have already completely screwed us up, Azerbaijanis. It seems, well, that's good, we'll strain again, after curtsey towards Vladimir Vladimirovich and Mother Russia, we will knock out the occupation troops from our territory, but even after that, it’s all the same to live with the Armenians ... It's okay with them in Russia, but how are they themselves in the serpentarium begin to curl into balls