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Mikhail Leontyev: “It was not a war with Georgians”

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Mikhail Leontyev: “It was not a war with Georgians”

Four years later, on this occasion, one can say basically the same thing, which was clear then. Now it has become quite obvious, but earlier it was some kind of speculative construction, but I said this from the very beginning.

So. The actions of our Russian authorities were justified, absolutely necessary, and from a global political point of view, they were positive. If Russia did not agree to this, did not dare to resist and fulfill its obligations, it would cease to be an international entity. The position of Russia and its understanding on the part of the adversaries and allies has extraordinary changed. In my opinion, it has changed absolutely positively for us. It is clear that this was not a war with the Georgians. I would not exaggerate historical sympathies, they’re just not idiots and weren’t hired to fight with Russia. When it became clear that this was a war with Russia, they said something like: “So you mean it? Excuse me!".

We have contributed in an extraordinary way to strengthening the regime of Saakashvili.

I will not consider military-technical aspects now, they have already been considered, but I believe that this war has accelerated a very controversial but organically necessary reform in the army. This is very good, and now we have, if not a completely reformed army, then some kind of working matrix, which can be filled with content — personnel and military-technical. No armaments program without this reform would be possible, and the implementation of an armaments program is the most serious thing that is happening in our economy.

Now consider the specific geopolitical consequences. We have come to the recognition of the so-called international community, and more precisely the West, Abkhazia and South Ossetia, Russia's de facto satellites. And we came almost de jure to recognize Georgia as a protectorate of the United States. From a geopolitical point of view, this is our direct defeat. We have contributed in an extraordinary way to strengthening the regime of Saakashvili. We just politically served the current regime, and not only him, but the entire Georgian elite. It turns out that we helped them, because the spilled blood and the fact of occupation (as they consider) part of the territory of Georgia, naturally, did not contribute to strengthening the position of the pro-Russian forces in Georgia. In fact, Russia did not bet on these forces, it ignored them, and that is why, at the time of the outbreak of the war, Russia practically had no other tools and no other possibilities besides those we had stopped at.

We ourselves, with our own hands, have retained a strategic point, a strategic base for working against us.

That is, from a military point of view, Georgia was defeated, from a political point of view, it ceased to exist, there was no state. With her, you could do anything. Just how and why? We had no one to rely on there, we had no opportunity but to retreat. No options. This is the result of our, undoubtedly our, policy of previous years. That is why this war was unfinished from the point of view of all the classical parameters. The military defeat of the enemy is not completed, the political defeat of the enemy is not completed. In practice, we ourselves, with our own hands, retained a strategic point, a strategic bridgehead for working against us with all kinds of means, as well as for solving our tasks with our geopolitical enemy. Georgia has a strategic position in the region, and this is much wider than even Transcaucasia (look at Syria and Iran!). We can treat Iran as we please, but we are not interested in strengthening the United States' ability to kill Iran, and this has a direct bearing on Georgia. From this point of view, this is a frozen story. She can't end this way. This boil will explode, and I have a feeling that it will explode soon enough.
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  1. ekebastus
    ekebastus 11 August 2012 07: 31
    +7
    Something will happen in the October elections ...
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 11 August 2012 08: 13
      +11
      Quote: ekebastus

      Something will happen in the October elections.

      America will be covered with a copper basin.
      1. Nir
        Nir 11 August 2012 09: 02
        -1
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        America will be covered with a copper basin.

        Well, this is unlikely ... they have been prophesying to us for so many years that it will be covered with a copper basin, but for some reason all those who shouted about it from the stands themselves covered themselves, sadly, but this is a fact.
        ps
        I remember in the class we were hammered about rotting capitalism and the West, but in fact they themselves rotted during the years of stagnation ...
        1. slas
          slas 11 August 2012 09: 36
          +13
          Quote: Nir
          in the classroom we were hammered about rotting capitalism and the West, but in fact they themselves rotted during the years of stagnation ...

          if rotted go and wash, then maybe look at the world normally
          1. Nir
            Nir 11 August 2012 09: 47
            -2
            Quote: slas
            if rotted go and wash, then maybe look at the world normally

            And what is it not? Or forgot what happened in the late 80s and early 90s? We lost, and not Amiri’s covered with a copper basin, although it was so awesome for us to grind for a long time, but it turned out just the opposite ... therefore, wait until it bends again like it makes no sense, they will chew on many more parasites ... but about washing mooed cow dear wink
            1. slas
              slas 11 August 2012 10: 59
              +13
              Quote: Nir
              and about washing, whose cow would moo dear

              A cow is not a cow, but you "dear; I will not remind you how doctors and professors from medical sciences were sent to your region on expeditions in the 19th and 20th centuries, I will remind our doctors, not Sushu's doctors, to teach you simple hygiene, without which there were epidemics in your area, mother, do not cry and many other things so whoever's donkey ........... lol
            2. v53993
              v53993 11 August 2012 11: 50
              +5
              It is necessary to conduct a deep sanitary cleaning of the American infection. The main thing to start. I won’t be surprised that the very first satellites today will be in the forefront of the cleaners.
              1. Talleyrand
                Talleyrand 11 August 2012 12: 05
                +17
                The states do not give a damn about the freely-proud Georgians, they will not miss the chance to make cannon fodder again; you have to pay for sponsorship, but there is nothing to pay the Georgians in kind!
                1. alexng
                  alexng 11 August 2012 13: 03
                  +4
                  BUT the idiot saak does not understand that the next attempt for him will be the last and very deplorable for him. So it will be necessary to pay not only in kind, but also the existence of Georgia as a state unit. This is not seen only As soon as the world fire begins, the first who will get it in full is Georgia.
                  1. Ymidge
                    Ymidge 11 August 2012 14: 33
                    +7
                    Quote: alexneg
                    BUT the idiot saak does not understand

                    For Saki, Georgia without his beloved does not make sense!
            3. MI-AS-72
              MI-AS-72 11 August 2012 13: 35
              +10
              Not so one thing, we did not rot, and the elite of the USSR, in the person of the Central Committee of the CPSU, surrendered us all.
              Our elite, "for a barrel of honey and a spoon for it," passed the conquest of all the previous generations of the country.
              1. Nose
                Nose 11 August 2012 15: 38
                +11
                MI-AS-72,
                MI-AS-72,
                Gorbachev can be anything but an elite! No.
        2. throst
          throst 11 August 2012 09: 55
          +2
          Nir,
          once rotted - then you need to call a doctor who will clean all these problems for you)))
          1. Nir
            Nir 11 August 2012 10: 06
            -6
            Quote: throst
            once rotted - then you need to call a doctor who will clean all these problems for you)))

            Well, dear, you don’t want to, but the USSR and not the USA has rotted, so you need to peel and scrub everything that you still can’t rake ... and to Amers the whole thing is violet as they are consumed so they continue to engage in consumerism and the mantra that they’ll bend you they won’t help when they bend the whole world by then it will be encapsulated so there’s no time for AmeriGi lol
            1. slas
              slas 11 August 2012 11: 08
              +10
              Quote: Nir
              Well, dear, you don’t want to, but rotted the USSR and not the USA, so you need to clean and scrub everything that you still can’t rake

              Where did you rot? Examples of pzhlst! And the fact that these temporary difficulties are present then yes there is no one to unlock. But your smaller sticks in the wheels would poke us together it would be easier to overcome these temporary difficulties. After some time, China will squeeze you and grab you for a causal place, not to join the United States, but to Russia with an oath of eternal friendship and soon again as soon as the hot roof settles down again cerebellum and again Russia occupant and again laughing to the first podzhopnik from eastern neighbors
              1. Nir
                Nir 11 August 2012 12: 15
                -4
                Quote: slas
                Where did you rot? Examples of pzhlst!

                Hmm ... and that the USSR still exists? Yes? Abaldet ... did you happen to be lost in time?
                Quote: slas
                But your smaller sticks in the wheels would be poked

                Oh, let's not talk about sticks in wheels, and then Orange Nezalezhnaya right in front of the whole CIS for integration ... so these are your guys, on every corner, screaming about her and those about the long-awaited independence, and you're talking about sticks ... I'm talking about monuments and the heroes in the Western Square are silent ...
                Quote: slas
                China will squeeze you

                Where have you seen the border with China? ahem ... I didn’t know that I was bordering on them ...
                1. slas
                  slas 11 August 2012 12: 51
                  +10
                  [quote = Nir]
                  Hmm ... and that the USSR still exists? Yes? Abaldet ... you are not lost in time by chance? [Yes, you have logic belay The USSR collapsed not because it "rotted" according to you, but because the leaders drove a knife into the heart
                  Oh, let's not talk about sticks in wheels, and then Orange Nezalezhnaya right in front of the whole CIS for integration ... so these are your guys, on every corner, screaming about her and those about the long-awaited independence, and you're talking about sticks ... I'm talking about monuments and the heroes in the Western Square are silent.. [The fact that I live in Ukraine does not mean that these "zapadentsi" are mine and I am RUSSIAN of what I am proud of And the fact that I lived in Samarkand at the end of the 80s, do not tell me about independence here I saw how you tortured this square with you when Slavs (Russian Ukrainians Belarusians) throats cut and killed just for the fact that we are different
                  r] Where did you see the border with China? ahem ... didn’t know that I knew no border with them..[
                  And what does it have to do with it? What you need only to border? Or is your country in Greenland assigned? laughing
                  1. Sandov
                    Sandov 13 August 2012 20: 00
                    0
                    slas,
                    With the help of amers and others, our humpback rats surrendered their HOMELAND. Now London is celebrating a birthday. Here are our Vlasovites and Quislings. Oh, the gallows cries on them.
            2. v53993
              v53993 11 August 2012 11: 54
              +10
              He did not rot the USSR, but rotted, becoming infected with the United States liberal infection.
              But we will recover soon, and cure others.
          2. v53993
            v53993 11 August 2012 11: 59
            +3
            I [even know who will be the doctor.
        3. Tomato
          Tomato 11 August 2012 18: 36
          +1
          Quote: Nir
          Well this is hardly ...

          Let it be covered, how to give a drink. Only you, unfortunately for your happiness, will not see it.
        4. Owl
          Owl 11 August 2012 21: 28
          +6
          We did not rot, They betrayed us ...
        5. escobar
          escobar 11 August 2012 22: 32
          +1
          Quote: Nir
          Well, it’s unlikely ... they have been prophesying to us for so many years that it will be covered with a copper basin, but for some reason all those who shouted about it from the stands themselves covered, not sadly, but this is a fact. I remember in the class we were hammered about rotting capitalism and in the West, but in fact they themselves rotted during the years of stagnation ...

          Plus for a frank and sober position.
        6. lotus04
          lotus04 11 August 2012 23: 10
          +3
          Quote: Nir
          I remember in the class we were hammered about rotting capitalism and the West, but in fact they themselves rotted during the years of stagnation ...


          And what? Doesn't it rot? Judging by the shit that pours into Russia from there, he not only rots. He has long been PROTUH !!! And to you dear Nir. probably not for many years. For example, I would agree to live in that "stagnation" for the rest of my life. Believe me, I have something to compare with.
      2. Temnik
        Temnik 11 August 2012 10: 42
        +1
        It would be nice!
        1. v53993
          v53993 11 August 2012 15: 27
          +1
          Will be, and very soon
      3. Oleg0705
        Oleg0705 11 August 2012 10: 57
        -2
        Alexander Romanov,
        well if for you hairyin not a traitor then it will definitely be covered laughing I would like to look in the eyes of those who supported you as many as 7 visitors wondering who it is? winked
      4. v53993
        v53993 11 August 2012 11: 57
        +1
        To be more precise, then a paper green basin.
      5. revnagan
        revnagan 11 August 2012 12: 56
        +3
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        America will be covered with a copper basin.

        Well, that's a fact. That's only when ... I would like to see it with my own eyes.
        1. v53993
          v53993 11 August 2012 14: 05
          +3
          I think that the states will fall into a tailspin sooner than many expect. The main thing is to dodge the fragments of their fall.
          The fragments I think will be our so-called elite. Therefore, the faster the issue is resolved in relation to it, the more painless the revival of Russia will be.
    2. John
      John 11 August 2012 08: 19
      +7
      ekebastus,

      wait and see, but something really painfully lately Mishiko hysteria.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 11 August 2012 08: 53
        +3
        Quote: John
        something really painfully lately mishiko hysteria

        This suggests that his work is not satisfied in Washington, received a piston from the boss.
    3. neri73-r
      neri73-r 11 August 2012 11: 52
      +11
      In November or December 2012 (I don’t remember exactly) the lease ends by the Fed bankers from the state (USA), then something will start !!!
      1. Talleyrand
        Talleyrand 11 August 2012 12: 08
        +9
        Quote: neri73-r
        In November or December 2012 (I don’t remember exactly) the lease ends by the Fed bankers from the state (USA), then something will start !!!

        Is it not an open transition to dictatorship? Like Hitler. Ancient Rome, too, at first lived as a republic, but as soon as needs increased, it immediately transferred to the empire.
        1. Ymidge
          Ymidge 11 August 2012 14: 37
          +9
          Quote: Talleyrand
          Is it not an open transition to dictatorship?

          And why actually not ?! Rats of clandestine have ambitions too. An old man will die out soon, and young puppet growers of modesty are penniless! wink
          1. Nose
            Nose 11 August 2012 15: 41
            +9
            Ymidge,
            Emperor John I Rockefeller! It is something!!! wassat
      2. Kaa
        Kaa 11 August 2012 16: 43
        +7
        Quote: neri73-r
        then something will start !!!

        And the hours of the national debt are ticking, it is already in full swing. This is 4 years ago ...
  2. Bort radist
    Bort radist 11 August 2012 07: 43
    +11
    It was not a war! Rather large-scale battle clash. Peace enforcement is the most accurate definition. Someone (everyone knows who) really wanted Russia to get involved, it didn’t work out. The US wants to develop the situation according to the Libyan scenario. They want to drive history into a template situation. Will not work!
    1. 11 August 2012 12: 01
      +7
      Here is an interesting description of the events by American bloggers:
      http://vvv-ig.livejournal.com/255786.html laughing good
      1. expert2008
        expert2008 11 August 2012 23: 05
        0
        Well, Kostya, have fun !!!! Laughing from the heart !!! Respect! I think in Syria they should be given a topic for the next series of thoughts ....
    2. Talleyrand
      Talleyrand 11 August 2012 12: 12
      +11
      Quote: Bort Radist
      Someone (everyone knows who) really wanted Russia to get involved, it didn’t work out

      And what confusion this caused in the minds of NATO strategists! They did not even anticipate such a development of the plot. The likelihood of engaging in a war with Russia themselves frightened them, because they screeched, screamed, and their tails tightened.
  3. apro
    apro 11 August 2012 08: 02
    +2
    This is not a war, but an attempt to definitively determine Moscow’s intentions on the state’s ability to defend its honor, and the Georgians were not the main participants in this provocation. Their very amers asked to feel Moscow for the udder, why they didn’t completely wrest their hands - Putin has no strength and ability to put pressure on the SGA.
  4. Delink
    Delink 11 August 2012 08: 03
    +3
    Here Russia really has not completely dealt with Georgia. It's a pity. It had to be destroyed along with the foreign fighters who fought for them. And to tell America to "Shut up" about democracy.
    1. Nir
      Nir 11 August 2012 09: 04
      0
      Quote: Delink
      And to tell America to "Shut up" about democracy.

      Well, it’s not for everyone, only sometimes China will shout at UWB, while the rest go silently for now ... but it was necessary to write, but it didn’t work;
      ps nothing personal just a fact of world politics.
    2. FiremanRS
      FiremanRS 11 August 2012 10: 02
      +1
      I agree with you. For my taste, it was necessary to get to Tbilisi by an early march, remove the top of the government and dump, leaving the Georgians to rake it all. )))))
      1. core
        core 11 August 2012 12: 55
        +4
        Mishiko would fly by plane to the Turks or Hahlam, and there would be a provocation in exile, we would leave Tbilisi, and Mishik would enter. and even as a triumphant. the country is not led by stupid people. the options were probably calculated, purely emotionally agree with you, only I would have plowed the historical center, so that we would remember it was the Georgians, not the leadership.
  5. sergey32
    sergey32 11 August 2012 08: 05
    +3
    All the same, it was necessary to hang Saakashvili for me ... or better to give it to the Ossetians.
    1. oper66
      oper66 12 August 2012 09: 24
      +6
      Here we all write Mishiko is to blame - all the Georgians themselves are to blame - they supported him, they shot, they killed, they blew up. I remember that time very well and how these drumsticks behaved like freaks in the corners hisses with hatred. One example. Kakobidzetvar, which grew up, got everything and spits in our direction. that they are smiling and they are holding a knife behind their backs - LOADS are bad vile people and no one persuades me I hate freaks
  6. makano
    makano 11 August 2012 08: 06
    0
    It’s early to say that the United States has established a bridgehead in Georgia. There are no US strategic weapons there. The fact that airfields are prepared is not a fact that they will be able to land there.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 11 August 2012 08: 18
      +5
      Quote: makano
      It’s early to say that the United States bridgehead has been established in Georgia

      C'mon, from which budun there America does not rule the ball, but what is this if not a bridgehead?
      Quote: makano
      There are no US strategic weapons there.
      This was reported to you in the Pentagon or you work at the GRU.
      Quote: makano
      The fact that airfields are prepared is not a fact that they will be able to land there.
      But now they don’t land there, they built what they would.
      1. throst
        throst 11 August 2012 10: 06
        +5
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        C'mon, from which budun there America does not rule the ball, but what is this if not a bridgehead?

        it’s not very much like a bridgehead. this bridgehead is shot at by our tactical missiles to the entire depth, and on the expanses of South Ossetia and Abkhazia, I am more than sure that the radio reconnaissance brigades are working, rolling in the news of our dear defense industry.
        IMHO, of course.
  7. Bort radist
    Bort radist 11 August 2012 08: 31
    +6
    Quote: ekebastus
    Something will happen in the October elections ...

    Everything is according to the scenario - "Be nasty Mishiko" the owners say. "At the elections, the people will rise up against you and you will ask for help, then Batman will fly to the airfield and he will help you" But Mishiko remembers that Batman once promised to fly, and most of all he is afraid that another hero - Baba Yaga - will arrive!
    1. v53993
      v53993 11 August 2012 12: 03
      +4
      ". he is afraid that another hero will arrive - Baba Yaga! .., ie Russian special forces in the" Blue Helicopter "and will show a movie for free.
  8. prispek
    prispek 11 August 2012 08: 50
    +2
    Leontiev criticizes the tandem policy! Wow! Let as carefully and accurately as possible and only in one particular issue. and yet.
    It can be seen somewhere on Rublevka the last bear died. Truly great changes await us.
    1. s1н7т
      s1н7т 11 August 2012 10: 55
      0
      Hopefully!
    2. 11 August 2012 12: 03
      +2
      Quote: prispek

      Leontiev criticizes the tandem policy! Wow! Let as carefully and accurately as possible and only in one particular issue. and yet.

      A portion of healthy criticism, and not whining like "we will die" is always useful.
      And not only in one, the second example of the WTO.
      1. prispek
        prispek 11 August 2012 14: 51
        0
        Quote: kos
        And not only in one, the second example of the WTO.

        Regarding healthy criticism of entry into the WTO, the penultimate bear on Rublev died
    3. v53993
      v53993 11 August 2012 12: 04
      0
      Keeps your ass swept.
    4. cool.cube2012
      cool.cube2012 11 August 2012 12: 40
      +4
      After re-reading everything I wrote: here http://shurigin.livejournal.com/358414.html and here http://shurigin.livejournal.com/358873.html, so as not to throw words into the air, I decided to do the following :
      To the Prosecutor General of the Russian Federation Chaika Yu. Ya.
      Dear Yuri Yakovlevich!
      On August 05, 2012, the documentary film “Lost Day” was posted on the Internet, which can now be found at: http://rutube.ru/video/db2f3f9327cd133add17054542f26a33/. Its authors investigated the little-known events of the outbreak of war on 08.08.08/07/08 in South Ossetia. The facts revealed in this film compel me to turn to you with a request to give a legal assessment of the actions of a number of senior officials of the Russian Federation on August 2008–125, 293. I believe that the then President of Russia, Dmitry Medvedev, Minister of Defense Serdyukov A.E., chief of the General Staff N. Makarov. criminal negligence was allowed, expressed in criminal inaction at the beginning of the armed aggression of Georgia against the people of South Ossetia and the Russian peacekeeping contingent located there. I believe that in their actions the signs of crimes provided for in Art. XNUMX of the Criminal Code (abandonment of danger), and Art. XNUMX of the Criminal Code (negligence).
      From Dmitry Medvedev’s confession made by him in an interview on August 08, 2012 in Tskhinval, it became known that, having comprehensive information on Georgia’s preparations for a military operation against South Ossetia (a number of higher officials confirm this in the film “Lost Day” military leaders of Russia of that period), on the concentration of Georgian troops on the border with South Ossetia, on the severance of the peace treaty by Georgia (at 14:00 on 07.08.08, according to the report of the commander of the peacekeeping forces in the conflict zone, Major General M. Kulakhmetov M. M.) and the withdrawal of Georgian peacekeepers from the conflict zone, Russian President Dmitry Medvedev during the threatened period, he did not take any action to bring the North Caucasian Military District troops to a higher degree of combat readiness and prepare to repel aggression. And after the outbreak of Georgian aggression (23 hours 30 minutes. 07.08.08, according to the Prosecutor General’s Office of the Russian Federation) for more than four hours he did not make a decision on the use of the Armed Forces to protect the life and property of Russian citizens who were in South Ossetia in war zone, which led to unjustified casualties among the civilian population and the Russian military.
      1. cool.cube2012
        cool.cube2012 11 August 2012 12: 42
        +2
        continued - I ask you to investigate the statements made in the film “Lost Day” by the generals of the Russian Armed Forces (former chief of the general staff general of the army Yu. N. Baluevsky, former commander of the Ground Forces army general V. Boldyrev, former chief of the central command post Lieutenant Goshkoderoy V.V., former acting head of the main operational directorate of the General Staff, Lieutenant General V.Zh. Zaparenko, commander of the Airborne Forces Colonel General V. Shamanov, former commander of the North Caucasus Military District Colonel General S. Makarov, former commander of peacekeeping forces in the conflict zone, Major General M.M. Kulakhmetov), ​​which directly indicate that the decision of Russian President Dmitry Medvedev on the use of force on 08 August 2008 was adopted with undue delay and led to numerous casualties among citizens of the Russian Federation.
        Based on the foregoing
        I BEG :
        1. To verify the above facts, based on the results of which give a legal assessment of the actions of the former President of Russia D. Medvedev, Minister of Defense Serdyukov A.E. and Chief of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation N. Makarov
        Vladislav Shurygin Deputy Editor-in-Chief, Zavtra newspaper
      2. Vlaleks48
        Vlaleks48 11 August 2012 14: 02
        +3
        cool.cube2012,
        Now it is clear for what merits the National General Staff of Russia received the title of Hero of Russia! Until the last moment he kept the peace of the highest official! Wow "hero"!
        The bad thing is that these remain in the army.
        On the other hand, a preemptive strike would have caused such a howl, although the howl was raised anyway, it was clear that everything had been planned in advance. They knew exactly what to do next and calculated it to the smallest detail, but they didn’t take into account that ours did not give up even with losses up to 90% True, if there is something to fight back!
        And what could be asked from the "stooltkin", what from the "upper headquarters" of that time.
        They could not and maybe they were simply afraid to make any decision!
    5. core
      core 11 August 2012 12: 59
      +5
      moreover, here is a tandem, a policy towards the Georgians was pumped up even during the BE, but what about the genocide. they are such darlings, they love us, but in fact the closest betrays us. MINIMO is dancing.
  9. Vasily79
    Vasily79 11 August 2012 08: 53
    +2
    This boil will explode, and I have a feeling that it will explode soon enough.

    This phrase suggests disappointing thoughts. As an analyst, Leontiev is good, but as a forecaster, he did not notice.
    1. slas
      slas 11 August 2012 09: 41
      +1
      Quote: Vasily79
      As an analyst, Leontiev is good, but as a forecaster, he did not notice.

      It's like a weather forecast someday guess something)
    2. Evil Tatar
      Evil Tatar 11 August 2012 09: 47
      0
      Quote: Vasily79
      As an analyst, Leontiev is good, but as a forecaster, he did not notice.


      And what is the difference between a forecaster and an analyst if he writes an analytical forecast in the genre?

      Smiled ...
  10. itr
    itr 11 August 2012 08: 58
    +2
    Here the Russians have one problem. He believes and hopes for the best. That ears hung up again. I would not like the Georgian people would not have this war. I would not like the Ukrainian people to disconnect, would live in one country. There is a Russian proverb. For that fought for it and ran .
    1. lewerlin53rus
      lewerlin53rus 11 August 2012 09: 58
      +12
      Quote: itr
      I would not like the Georgian people would not have this war. I wouldn’t like the Ukrainian people to disconnect would live in one country

      And the people did not want to, remember the results of the referendum on the preservation of the USSR? But who asked him? Three drunkards gathered and divided the main part into three. The rest is small things. But Shevardnadze so frankly hated Russia and as bad as he could.
      1. Nir
        Nir 11 August 2012 10: 19
        +6
        Quote: lewerlin53rus
        Three drunkards gathered and divided the main part into three.

        Yeah ... It's good that you remember how it all was wink And that is, there is grief for commentators like "Khrych" who, foaming at the mouth, love to prove that the national republics themselves fled and were eager for freedom from the USSR ... drinks
      2. DIMS
        DIMS 11 August 2012 11: 41
        +12
        The Georgian people wanted this.

        It was not for nothing that "the return of the territories" was one of the main promises with which Saakashvili staged a coup d'etat.
        Moreover, the Georgian people wanted war, because they did not say anything after the incomprehensible death of Zurab Zhvania, who had advanced far in a political solution to this problem.
        The people were silent when an undeclared war began on the Georgian-Ossetian and Georgian-Abkhaz border every year with the beginning of summer.
        The people were silent when it was captured in violation of all the agreements of the Kodori Gorge.
        The people were silent when the peacekeepers were killed - more of them died during the "peace period" than during the "five-day war"

        They wanted to return with bayonets to South Ossetia and Abkhazia, and they raped what they wanted.

        And the people did not want to, remember the results of the referendum on the preservation of the USSR?

        It was not held in Georgia; instead, a referendum was held on the issue of Georgia's secession from the USSR. 99,08% of the participants voted in favor
        And it was from this that the confrontation between Georgians on the one hand, and Ossetians with Abkhazians on the other began
  11. Kostyar
    Kostyar 11 August 2012 09: 22
    0
    And it seems to me that this pack that runs Georgia is not all Georgia. The Georgian people are very close in spirit to us, it is unfortunate that he is tormented by seeing what their fellow tribesmen in the person of Saakashvili and the like do ...
  12. mox
    mox 11 August 2012 09: 34
    +2
    Alexander Romanov,
    Dreams Dreams, your smoke is so sweet.
  13. grig1969
    grig1969 11 August 2012 09: 50
    +3
    there is a feeling that soon we will "finish" what we did not finish in 2008 ... And future teachings, and such articles ...
  14. taseka
    taseka 11 August 2012 10: 08
    +7
    Maybe we, too, should slightly support financially, partisans around the United States — let Washington strain too! And call it the belt of true freedom of democracy! And the zone of their interests !!!!
    1. Nir
      Nir 11 August 2012 10: 24
      +1
      Quote: taseka
      Maybe we, too, should slightly support financially, partisans around the United States — let Washington strain too! And call it the belt of true freedom of democracy! And the zone of their interests !!!!

      It is unlikely that anyone will allow you to do this, do not forget about the Caucasus. AmeriGa is a provocateur and a player on someone else's blood.
  15. SenyaYa
    SenyaYa 11 August 2012 10: 34
    +1
    While the 58th army in place, you can sleep peacefully while drowning in a pillow ... Amerikos are fools to create a foothold in Georgia ... if anything happens there’s just nowhere to go, the Russian air forces will block the Black Sea and the NATO cruiser will not be able to evacuate
    1. sapulid
      sapulid 11 August 2012 11: 46
      +3
      Senya, didn’t you forget Turkey? When did the US climb alone, after Vietnam? And, they have something, very large and very combat-ready army and navy. In addition, the strategic position.
      That's right, the war was not completed, and there was no way to complete it. This hot spot in the United States, more than once ragged. The creation of pro-Russian sentiments is questionable due to the success of Mishiko’s reforms and revanchist sentiments of the population. This fact must be recognized, despite the inadequacy of Misha. Something similar to Hitler, but, Mishiko, besieged during take-off.
    2. berimor
      berimor 11 August 2012 12: 17
      +2
      What kind of Russian fleet are you talking about ?! There is no modern fleet in the Black Sea Fleet yet! There even !!! the Turkish fleet is more powerful today! Especially since the Amerflot Turks will immediately pass through the Dardanelles and the Bosphorus, but will they send the ships of the Baltic Fleet and Northern Fleet of Russia to the Black Sea to strengthen the Black Sea Fleet ?! Hardly! In their lifetime in 1973, they blocked the passage corridor for our transporters with assistance to Syria and Egypt, and we had to fly through Hungary, Yugoslavia, the Adriatic, that is, in a large circle, and even accompanied by phantoms from American aircraft carriers in the Mediterranean Sea. So argue vskma frivolously and not professionally! I understand emotions ... emotions. Our whole misfortune is that with us the Slavs often have politics based on emotions, and not on pragmatism, damn it!
  16. v53993
    v53993 11 August 2012 11: 27
    +2
    "We have come to the recognition by the so-called international community, or rather the West, Abkhazia and South Ossetia as Russia's satellites de facto. And we have come practically de jure to recognize Georgia as a protectorate of the United States. From a geopolitical point of view, this is our direct defeat. We are extraordinary contributed to the strengthening of Saakashvili's regime. "
    The reason for this is that Russia did not reach the logical end in this episode, that is, it did not enter Tbilissi.
    "and now we have, if not a completely reformed army, then a certain working matrix that can be filled with content - personnel and military-technical."
    Do not flatter yourself and do not bend your soul. The conflict with Georgia showed that despite all the efforts of internal and external liberals, the Russian army is still combat-ready, and therefore the reforms for its collapse have only intensified,
    1. sapulid
      sapulid 11 August 2012 11: 53
      +2
      Deliveries of the latest weapons and refusal to purchase obsolete ones, getting rid of unusual functions, raising money allowances, refusing bulky management structures .....

      The army of any state will envy such collapse. There are drawbacks, but they are removable. If, compared with police reform, then, earth and sky.
    2. v53993
      v53993 11 August 2012 14: 22
      +1
      Thanks for the minus, then I'm right, judging by your addresses.
  17. v53993
    v53993 11 August 2012 11: 43
    -2
    To the author of the article.
    Michael, you, as usual, is a jack of all trades.
    But, what you are trying to analyze in the military field causes at least burping of military specialists.
    Did you actually serve in the army?
    1. ward
      ward 11 August 2012 11: 52
      -1
      You are an interesting person ... Your literary language betrays a professional in you ... but after reading the comments you get a very interesting impression ... You are a smart enemy .. a competent enemy ... minus ...
      1. DIMS
        DIMS 11 August 2012 12: 01
        -1
        Sorry, but many people really do not approve of the methods and results of this "reform". Why does this make you dislike?
        1. v53993
          v53993 11 August 2012 14: 30
          -2
          What are you liberal-cautious. Are you afraid of yourself? Therefore scat from here and disgrace Russia.
          By the way, as a liberal I’m sorry for you, but I don’t envy your future
          1. DIMS
            DIMS 11 August 2012 14: 43
            +3
            No, dear, I'm not liberal. I just have enough brains to understand that fighting on the Internet is not only stupid to impossibility, but also cowardly.
            Accessible enough?
            1. v53993
              v53993 11 August 2012 15: 03
              -2
              I respect your assessment of the amount of your brain substance. But you could not solve the problem of the transition of quantity into quality. Read the classics of philosophy, at least at your leisure.
              1. DIMS
                DIMS 11 August 2012 16: 09
                +1
                Are you cussing? Verbal masochist? Communicating with people like you, I constantly remember a joke about a man of non-traditional orientation, who really wanted to play football. So that he could bow in response to swearing fans after not scoring an empty goal.

                No, my friend, it won’t work out. Why will I spoil my nerves so that you enjoy?
      2. v53993
        v53993 11 August 2012 14: 18
        -2
        WARD. As far as I understand, you are reading correctly. But unfortunately you have problems with system analysis. But this is not your fault, but rather a disaster.
        Look for wise accountants.
    2. v53993
      v53993 11 August 2012 14: 12
      -2
      Thanks for the minus, then I'm right. Minus and fear further
    3. v53993
      v53993 11 August 2012 14: 51
      -2
      Enough, stop it. If you don’t think in matters of military construction, then listen to what the professionals say to you. And I perceive your minuses as pluses.
      1. DIMS
        DIMS 11 August 2012 16: 10
        +1
        Cool. Do you think Leontiev is minus to you?
  18. segamegament
    segamegament 11 August 2012 12: 03
    +5
    It was not a war, it was a demonstration of the RF Armed Forces, so that later it would be disgraceful for others ...
    1. Lesorub
      Lesorub 13 August 2012 14: 24
      0
      rather, a military operation on the adjacent territory ... ;-)
  19. vladimir64ss
    vladimir64ss 11 August 2012 12: 26
    +6
    Even 4 years later, there is not enough courage to admit that we won this war through anxiety in front of the "world community." Through this overcoming, we began to respect ourselves more. I hope now we are ready for new, stronger, actions.
    1. 1976AG
      1976AG 11 August 2012 13: 16
      +3
      Exactly so. And therefore the significance of our intervention is especially great. If we did not, Russia would become a political corpse. Nobody will respect us if we do not respect ourselves.
      1. v53993
        v53993 11 August 2012 15: 18
        -1
        Do not confuse the current Russian government with the real RUSSIA. When they say that US is not respected in the world, I want to ask a question, but who are the judges? And by whom do they judge? According to Abromovich, Prokhorov and other prominent representatives? Well, well, err on.
        And then we will come from there and from where no one is waiting for us.
        And fuck you guess where.
        We ourselves do not know this, but we know that we will come.
  20. Uncle Serozha
    Uncle Serozha 11 August 2012 12: 52
    +6
    It is clear that the struggle in the Caucasus goes beyond the path of energy delivery. And what if we lose this battle, and the economic situation in Russia will worsen significantly. We are not profitable for the states of this region to join any military-political blocs and we will oppose this.
    Internal ethnic conflicts in the territories of the Caucasian republics mean the need for a military presence of Russia in order to maintain peace in the region. Without us, the massacre will begin there. The presence (or the possibility of a quick appearance) of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation provides a lasting and sustainable peace. And besides, it makes unrealistic projects of “wrong” gas pipelines unrealistic.
    It is for this reason that Russia should take a more active part in establishing peace in the Caucasus and not be afraid of this.
    Yes, this was not a war against the Georgians. It was a war for peace and the prevention of ethnic cleansing. And most importantly - for the interests of Russia.
  21. darkman70
    darkman70 11 August 2012 13: 59
    0
    The military defeat of the enemy is not completed, the political defeat of the enemy is not completed. In practice, we ourselves, with our own hands, retained a strategic point, a strategic bridgehead for working against us with all kinds of means, as well as for solving our tasks with our geopolitical adversary.

    That's for sure. Well done Leontyev, voiced what everyone has in mind.
    In general, the current Russian government is taking half measures in everything, it is not always completing the matter. This is very bad. Then you have to redo it all the same, and almost always with much greater costs.
  22. v53993
    v53993 11 August 2012 14: 40
    -2
    The article is in fact the ideology of a small coward. It will not be so. Russia is not even Afghanistan.
  23. v53993
    v53993 11 August 2012 15: 34
    -2
    Judging by the reaction, all normal Russians in the country. Answer (minus the liberals). What? Do you plow the land in the bastard?
    And I dig holes for you, only in high.
  24. v53993
    v53993 11 August 2012 16: 21
    -2
    Misha, where were you when the war was?
    And now he drew himself, not realizing what was at stake. Or for you, as always, if only the silver coins were dripping? It seems so.
    Nuka minus, liberal litter.
  25. gerc
    gerc 11 August 2012 16: 43
    +2
    I agree with the conclusions of Michael ...
    1. them
      them 11 August 2012 19: 04
      0
      Yes, but the article was not very funny ...
  26. Strashila
    Strashila 11 August 2012 20: 11
    +1
    Personally, I was interested, after the events, someone was brought in as humanitarian aid to Georgia by heavy S-17 transporters and someone dragged the American humanitarian fleet ... or they took something out at a fast pace ... and what kind of tanks the Georgians saw en masse, but the Russian ones were definitely not there and where did they go to these same tanks.
  27. Scholarships
    Scholarships 11 August 2012 21: 01
    +2
    they wanted us to arrange a second Chechnya. broke off. but they will continue to try.
  28. ad3wsafdf
    ad3wsafdf 12 August 2012 00: 46
    0
    The authorities of our country have done a lot, but this is already too much.
    I generally accidentally found him http://xurl.es/poisksng
    Here is information about each of us, for example: relatives, friends, correspondence from social networks.
    And most importantly, it is accessible to everyone, I was really scared at first - you never know what moron there will climb
    Well, the truth is that you can delete all
  29. mind1954
    mind1954 12 August 2012 22: 12
    0
    We must stop this ambiguous cheapness about TERRORISM !!!
    A war is being waged against us, for now, by sabotage methods!
    And we must speak about this directly and take appropriate measures!

    But this is hard to expect from the current regime.
  30. Lesorub
    Lesorub 13 August 2012 14: 11
    0
    As a pro-Kremlin "zvezdobol" Misha Leontyev is GOOD, but all his predictions are amateurish bullshit ... the nonsense of a mature journalist is NOT a specialist on topics that he publicly "analyzes" .... negative Russia fought against Georgian nationalism, which covered 60-70% of the population of this country. Consequently, Russia fought against Georgia! The Georgian army has been DOWNLOADED and DEMORALIZED! Was given VISUAL and unnecessarily SOFT! (in modern terms) A LESSON to a country openly hostile against Russia .... NOW they KNOW that they will EXPLODE their pro-NATO army, like the whole GREAT Georgia))) Russia can in 2-3 days, IF ANYONE comes from them "blistering" threat .... and in spite of the developed winemaking and NATO alliance THIS - CUTTING ... how far - time will tell!