Competition from the Russian Federation: in Kiev announced the threat to the Ukrainian military-industrial complex

The military-industrial complex of Ukraine lost its competitiveness and faced active competition from Russia on the world markets. This was stated by the general director of the Ukrspetsexport company Vadim Nozdrya.

According to Nozdri, Russia is very actively competing with Ukraine in its "basic markets", including through the use of diplomacy. The main reason for the loss of competitiveness of Ukrainian military products, he called the loss of advantages, problems in the economic and political plane, as well as the breakdown of many "operational ties." At the same time, Russia does not have such problems.

Unfortunately, Ukraine has long dropped out of the top ten (world exporters weapons... - approx). Unfortunately, we also fall out of the top ten. Competition in foreign markets is constantly growing (...) Ukrainian products have largely lost their competitiveness over the past 10-15 years. Because our competitors do not have such problems in the economic and political plane as Ukraine has. Many operational ties have been severed

- declared Nostril.

After the collapse of the Soviet Union and the proclamation of independent Ukraine, about 17% of the entire military-industrial complex of the USSR remained on its territory, which in total amounted to about two thousand enterprises and organizations. However, over the past years, most of these enterprises have been liquidated, and now this trend continues.

Comments

[nnm]

Well what can I say .... "Glory to Ukraine!"
You went to this for a long time, you rejected your history, all ties, fell under the West as a country with low social responsibility, engaged in Russophobia and now you are reaping the fruits of your own actions. Every country with low social responsibility dreams of the end result as in the movie "Pretty Woman", and in the end it turns out to be used by port movers in a nearby ditch. All this was predictable many years ago. But you were special, weren't you?
No one except Russia needed you, and having cut ties, you did not acquire new ones, but only got deeper and deeper into the need to develop Russophobia, which is financed by the West. But on enmity with someone, you cannot build your own state. And competitors - from the Baltics to Poland ...

[Lipchanin]

Quote: nnm

and breaking the connection,

On the contrary, new ones were acquired.
For example, through direct communication from the Fashingtn regional committee, the prosecutor general is appointed.
There are a lot of examples of such connections

[nnm]

Yes, after Biden in the chair of the Ukrainian president, it was not worth expecting anything else ...

[Lipchanin]

Quote: nnm

Yes, after Biden in the chair of the Ukrainian president, it was not worth expecting anything else ...

Yes, I'm waiting for what more prezikloun soak. Elections in the states on the nose, it may be unlearned

[nnm]

Yeah. He's definitely some kind of strange - and they want to squeeze Burisma, and Derkach's films are on hearing. And if Biden wins, what will they do? Tell him already that his plane is longer and thicker?
Or do they think that Trump, after the victory, will not remember how his son-in-law was dragged to hearings because of Ukraine ???

[Lipchanin]

Yes, and I am about it. They have already pierced with a tramp once, the second time he will not forgive them
So they think dumka. They have no time for the military-industrial complex, they would have survived

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Lipchanin

They have no time for the military-industrial complex now

And the military-industrial complex exists, and they create weapons, here's an example -

[Serg koma]

The warehouses of the USSR Armed Forces in the Ukrainian SSR are running out, hence

Unfortunately, we also fall out of the top ten.

[Tatyana]

Competition from the Russian Federation: in Kiev announced the threat to the Ukrainian military-industrial complex

Let the Ukrainians not worry! "Abroad" will help them! The West is with them!

[Bad_gr]

Quote: Serg Koma

The warehouses of the USSR Armed Forces in the Ukrainian SSR are running out, hence

Unfortunately, we also fall out of the top ten.

If we raise the statistics with which products Ukraine has become a leader in arms dealers, then these are products from warehouses, as a rule, not produced in Ukraine (T-72 tanks, Mi-8 helicopters, etc.), but thrown onto the market at bargain prices. The warehouses are empty - and there is no Ukraine among the leaders of arms dealers.

[volodimer]

Exactly. Of the actually produced "in / on" the largest contract, and even then, performed with difficulty, is the T-84 "Oplot" for Thailand. The BTR-4 failed miserably in Iraq and Indonesia.
All that this high level "kept" is called "Soviet legacy".
"De-Sovietized" ... Well, now bite your elbows!

[Alex Justice]

For example, through direct communication from the Fashingtn regional committee, the prosecutor general is appointed.

Was the prosecutor good? Maybe fired for the cause?

[Vasyan1971]

Quote: nnm

Every country with low social responsibility dreams of the outcome as in the movie "Pretty Woman"

And there, by the way, there is a moment when an advanced friend asked "who was everything good?" and she herself answered "at Cinderella's" ...

[TermNachTer]

It's not even funny. The military-industrial complex in Banderland simply died. Since 2016, not a single aircraft has been made; Oplot tanks of very dubious quality are produced piece by piece, a year. Shipbuilding is dead. The rocket industry is dead. UAVs are assembled from Chinese components. ATGM - old Soviet design. There is no communication equipment of its own, "Radiopribor" and ZNIRS have died. Total - how is he going to compete with Russia?))))

[Senka naughty]

Quote: TermNachTER

Total - how is he going to compete with Russia?))))

In the third top ten of the rating, they are more likely to compete with Namibia, they have sold out the entire Soviet reserve, and who is to blame? The stump of the Muscovites is clear.

[Serg koma]

Quote: Senka Mad

The stump of the Muscovites is clear.

Freebie deliveries, tsuki, stopped

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: TermNachTER

It's not even funny ... Total - how is he going to compete with Russia?))))

Well, you are so my friend - this is just very funny. He was not going to compete with the Russian Federation, you can see - the main thing is to crow: and the mention of Russia automatically justifies all the failures.

[Alex Justice]

Relatives said that not a single enterprise works in Ivano-Frankivsk. Trees are already growing on the roofs of enterprises.
It is impossible to find a professional, everyone works abroad.

[Ascold1901]

Let me add my "five kopecks" - glory to the heroes!

[tihonmarine]

Quote: nnm

No one except Russia needed you, and having cut ties, you did not acquire new ones, but only got deeper and deeper into the need to develop Russophobia

It is a pity, but Ukraine, as a former part of Russia, again returned to the state of the Mongol-Tatar invasion, when it had to fall under the Austrians, Hungarians, Lithuanians, Poles and Turks. Everything came back, and there can be no more talk of the former greatness of the Ukrainian SSR. Even their descendants did not leave the memory of those times, everything in the textbooks was erased, only slavery remained.

[hydrox]

Vlad, this beastly state of this ethnos now plays into our hands: after all, when these territories pass under the Russian protectorate (after all, we cannot distribute everything that we collected with such difficulty?), Then the newly born tribe will not even be able to communicate in human language (surzhiks it does not count, these are regional languages, the grammar of which cannot be transposed "in a written way," and they will ruin the languages ​​of human communication just like Russian), so they will have to communicate in mov, reinforcing verbal with gestures, because only at school they will learn Russian, which the entire Ukrainian society will be able to communicate - now, after all, there is no Ukrainian textbook of this language ...

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: nnm

You went to this for a long time, you rejected your history, all connections, fell under the West as a country with low social responsibility,

And with what ecstasy they crumbled and cut ties with the "Akhressor", did not carry out deliveries under PAID contracts ... And when it rebounded, they suddenly looked around and whined ...

[hydrox]

It was they who suddenly realized that they would have to pay fines with interest and repay debts for broken contracts, and then state bankruptcy would creep up like a polar fox - that's when the Crimea will get plenty of water! .

[Insurgent]

In Kiev, they announced the loss of competitiveness of the military-industrial complex and active competition from Russia

Ditch your industrial potential, and in particular the military-industrial complex, and then try to compete with Russia, which has made a lot of efforts and measures to restore what was lost?

Masterpiece!

[Victor_B]

However, capitalism is on the street!

Ditch your industrial potential, and in particular the military-industrial complex, and then try to compete with Russia, which has made a lot of efforts and measures to restore what was lost?

But how many billionaires were raised by Ridna Ukraine!
Look at them for money.

[Insurgent]

Quote: Victor_B

However, capitalism is on the street!

Not everything can be attributed to capitalism and the demolition of the Soviet, socialist formation.
The capitalist, however, when it is necessary for him personally, or under the pressure of circumstances - thinks... Even Russian ,sometimes...

But the Ukrainian capitalist, or what else to call him , it seems that I did not think at all and was not going to ...

[IGOR GORDEEV]

Quote: Insurgent

But the Ukrainian capitalist, or what else to call him, did not seem to think at all and was not going to ...

Okay, Ukrainian capitalists, but ordinary Ukrainian citizens who hate Russia - that's a mystery to me.

[Alexey Sommer]

Quote: IGOR GORDEEV

but ordinary Ukrainian citizens who hate Russia are a mystery to me.

Good afternoon!
Let me ask you, what is the mystery to you?

[IGOR GORDEEV]

Quote: Alexey Sommer

Quote: IGOR GORDEEV

but ordinary Ukrainian citizens who hate Russia are a mystery to me.

Good afternoon!
Let me ask you, what is the mystery to you?

Because I don't see common sense in the militant Russophobic sentiments of ordinary Ukrainian citizens. They suffer the biggest losses from all this Russophobic course of the country.
Good afternoon to you too.

[Alexey Sommer]

They are duped.
So did we in the 90s.

[Reviews]

Quote: Alexey Sommer

They are duped.
So did we in the 90s.

With another signаcom. In the 1990s we were told that yesterday's strategic adversary suddenly turned into a friend overnight, and everything was exactly the opposite for them.

[Alex Justice]

Okay, Ukrainian capitalists, but ordinary Ukrainian citizens who hate Russia - that's a mystery to me.

Propaganda. I also believed in communists :(

[Volder]

Quote: IGOR GORDEEV

ordinary Ukrainian citizens who hate Russia are a mystery to me.

UkroSMI is good at brainwashing, and ukropolitikans are adopting Russophobic laws. They lure ordinary people with Western values, like a rabbit carrot. Well, everyone is offended there for the fact that Russia does not take into account the interests of Ukraine (Crimea and Donbass).

[TermNachTer]

Because all Bandera-oligarchs have small houses "over the hill" and kids there. For them, Banderland is only a place where they make money. Although the Bandera huckster is arrested "over the hill".)))

[Reviews]

Quote: TermNachTER

All Bandera-oligarchs have small houses "over the hill" and kids there.

Like, our power-over-hold is not the same ...

[TermNachTer]

Not as strong as ours.

[Lelek]

Quote: Insurgent

But the Ukrainian capitalist, or what else to call him, did not seem to think at all and was not going to ...

The capitalist of the former Ukraine, by virtue of his mentality, is greedy to the limit, and he does not care about his Fatherland if only to "cut down" the "convertible" quickly, until others intercept. The leadership of the USSR somehow restrained their appetites, and with the disintegration of the "great and mighty", the regional princes and hetmans were the first to rush to tear them alive. Greed has no limit, that's why the former Ukraine came to the position of Ruin.

[Lionnvrsk]

Quote: Insurgent

Ditch your industrial potential, and in particular the military-industrial complex

Why does she need a military-industrial complex? After all, there is a super-super-urban state!

[Insurgent]

Quote: LIONnvrsk

Won super-super-town!

And where, from which side? Obviously for the sale of agricultural land? ...

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Insurgent

And where, from which side?

By stupidity

[Lipchanin]

Quote: LIONnvrsk

Why does she need a military-industrial complex?

Aha. Better to buy written-off trash around the world

[Lelek]

Quote: Lipchanin

Better to buy written-off trash around the world

Well, why is it rubbish? It is much easier for 30 pieces of silver to surrender the territory for NATO and US bases, which is what the current (so far) hetman does, being proud of this and PR (yas) in front of his people and Russophobic accomplices (the result of his visit to London announced by him).

[SSR]

Quote: Lelek

(the result of his visit to London announced by him).

With that, I laughed out loud when I listened to Sharia, Zelensky babbled about this meeting as a great, fateful and left a big mark in the history of two countries and received a handout of 5 million pounds in the British press was mentioned with a line that the Ukrainian "former" comedian was met by a princess something, in such a dress, most likely from such a couturier, with a thin belt and shoes blah blah blah! Zelepuk's words looked so comical! I'll find a pancake.
From 6 minutes)))

[nnm]

Colleague, so their potential rested on cooperation with Russia, as an end consumer. Therefore, having chopped off this branch, they turned out to be of no use to anyone and inevitably degraded.

[Lionnvrsk]

Quote: nnm

and inevitably degraded.

This is really some kind of tin. You look at their races and you are amazed. Fresh from:
The Verkhovna Rada registered a bill on the refusal of the seasonal clock transfer. “The draft law is aimed at combating aggression from Russia. As you know, the time of the aggressor state - Russia is illegal in the temporarily occupied territories of Ukraine. The squads throughout Ukraine in Kyiv time will be able to strengthen our security positions and contribute to the de-occupation and reintegration of the temporarily occupied territories, ”wrote Deputy Speaker Stefanchuk

[nnm]

Yesterday I heard about it .... I laughed for a long time. The feeling that it seems that only 6 years have passed, but how decades have passed for Ukraine. To have such a potential and simply degrade to sitting in nests on power lines, to be baptized on credit and to fight with time zones is some kind of the Middle Ages

[Rubi0]

You haven't seen his photo, then you wouldn't be surprised)))

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Rubi0

You haven't seen his photo, then you wouldn't be surprised)))

It and it is not better

[Lipchanin]

What other bottom has been broken through?

[Insurgent]

Quote: nnm

Colleague, that's how their potential rested on cooperation with Russia

For me, in fact, it was never a secret ...
That's just the Outskirts, fulfilling the West's plan to strike at Russia by separating from it a part of the former general economic potential of the USSR, contrary to common sense, did not even think about what it would turn against itself ...

It is understandable - Where is common sense, and where is the "square" Outskirts ...

Now then, of course, you can whine ad infinitum, referring to "competition".

[nnm]

The funny thing in this case is that no matter what, they steal in the defense industry, as if the last days are alive: the sale of the forge in Rybalskoye, body armor, Bogdans, Molots, etc. And no one cares. The main thing is to have time to steal, but on what, on whom - it does not matter.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Insurgent

- Where is common sense, and where is "Square" Outskirts ...

Home lace panties

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Insurgent

Masterpiece!

Yes, not too sloppy. Shouting that Russia’s bezzzz they have become better, and to admit that it is impossible for her to compete with Russia, this is a cocoa feat to accomplish

[Bashkirkhan]

Rather, stocks of Soviet weapons in warehouses have already been sold, so the volumes have decreased. For this reason, Ukraine has practically stopped selling armored vehicles and heavy weapons abroad. Ukrainian anti-tank missile systems, naval gas turbine engines and units are selling well and will be profitable for Ukraine for a long time to come.

[boris epstein]

"Rather, the stocks of Soviet weapons in warehouses have already been sold, so the volumes have decreased. For this reason, Ukraine has practically stopped selling armored vehicles and heavy weapons abroad."
And not only has it stopped selling, but is already actively buying up Soviet-made military equipment in Eastern Europe. Either in the Czech Republic, one and a half hundred BMP-1, then in Poland planes, in the Baltic states small arms and throughout Eastern Europe, ammunition for purchased. They sold their own according to the left schemes and blew up ammunition depots - Artemovsk, Novobogdanovka-three times, Malinovka, Lozovaya-twice, Svatovo, Ichnya ... There is no own production of ammunition for small arms and shells with a caliber of 152 mm. Engines V-86 for T-72 and GTD-1000 for T-80 were purchased from Russia through Belarus. Belarus bought them in Russia, ostensibly for the repair of their tanks and resold them to Ukraine. Or, in general, they impudently conclude a contract for the repair of combat aircraft, repair them, obtaining spare parts according to the left schemes in Russia, and refuse to return the aircraft to the owner. And with gas turbine engines, the scandal with the sale of Motor Sich does not benefit production.

[Bashkirkhan]

Quote: Boris Epstein

Engines V-86 for T-72 and GTD-1000 for T-80 were purchased from Russia through Belarus. Belarus bought them in Russia, ostensibly for the repair of their tanks and resold them to Ukraine.

By the way, Russia also bought Ukrainian engines for helicopters through Belarus. And so you wrote everything correctly.

[Livonetc]

"Unfortunately, Ukraine has long since dropped out of the top ten (world arms exporters. - approx.). Unfortunately, we also fall out of the top ten."
It's just that the stocks of Soviet weapons have run out.
There were only people and land left for sale.

[ZEMCH]

Quote: Livonetc

There were only people and land left for sale.

Look at the ratings of countries for a certain type of tourist services))) Zrabitchane to Europe. Well, the law on the sale of land, lobbied by the IMF

[Dimy4]

According to Nozdri ...

Damn sounds interesting left or right, although you should not laugh at the surname.

[Vasyan1971]

Quote: Dimy4

Damn sounds interesting left or right, although you should not laugh at the surname.

And if he had a twin brother? The surname would acquire a completely different sound and inner meaning ...

[nnm]

In the sense of? Are the masterpieces of the Ukrainian defense industry in the form of cardboard tanks and "Dung" with Chinese door eyes not in demand in NATO countries? Yes, this cannot be! Did Oplot's long-suffering deliveries abroad not justify themselves?

[Vasyan1971]

our competitors do not have such problems in the economic and political plane as Ukraine has.

Well, what can I say, except: "What we fought for, we ran into it" ...

[Vitaly Tsymbal]

Down with weapons! Long live pacifism !!!! - it was from such an angle that the ukram had to submit such information, then there would be a pErEmoga. While the whole world is arming Ukraine, it refuses to manufacture murder weapons !!! Long live, or rather "puppet", Ukraine is the most peaceful country on the planet !!! And then the snot flows from the nostril ...

[Lesorub]

Ukraine has long dropped out of the top ten (world arms exporters - approx). Unfortunately, we also fall out of the top ten.

And, in these dozens there were when the military technical potential left by the USSR was being sold (statistics can be omitted, what was and what was left) - now Nozdrya refers to difficulties in economics and politics - laughter through tears)

[Prisoner]

"... as well as the breaking of many" operational ties. "At the same time, Russia does not have such problems." (c) When you broke these very ties with Russia, did you dream that we would have such problems? Well, they did. Not for long. You seem to have them forever. The United States and Europe have divorced you.

[Reviews]

Quote: Captive

At the same time, Russia does not have such problems. "(C) When these same ties with Russia were severed, did you dream that we would have such problems? Well, they did. Not for long.

For a long time. For example, we have no analogue of D-18. Technically, we will probably be able to maintain them in airworthiness, but legally - the holder of all rights to this engine can at any time create huge problems for us on the international market. If the state aviation can still somehow send the civil aviation authorities, then Volga-Dnepr will not get out of it. The same garbage with the D-36 family (Be-200, An-72 / -74, Mi-26).
Surely, there are similar examples in other industries.

[Brturin]

Quote: Avis

we have no analogue of D-18. Technically, we will probably be able to maintain them in airworthiness, but legally - the holder of all rights to this engine can at any time create huge problems for us on the international market.

So the stick is always about two ends, if they create one problem, another may arise for them ... the same Ruslan ... it seems that while the parties are behind the scenes, but "you to me, I to you" ...
! One of the Ukrainian sensations, belonging to the type of "zrada", at the end of August was the information about the purchase of 4,16 million dollars, made by the state enterprise "Antonov", part of the state concern "Ukroboronprom", from the company Aerogulf FZC (UAE). The subject of the purchase, we recall, is eight auxiliary gas turbine engines TA18-200-124. This engine was developed by the Russian OJSC NPP Aerosila for the An-124-100 Ruslan military transport aircraft. According to information published in the Ukrainian media, this is not the first such purchase. Aerogulf FZC has such an engine at a price of 2019 thousand dollars.Now the price has grown to 499 thousand dollars per unit.https: //ria.ru/520/importozameschenie-20200905.html

[Reviews]

Quote: BrTurin

The subject of the purchase, we recall, is eight auxiliary gas turbine engines TA18-200-124.

I know. Our mass media sterisations screamed with delight like Losers at DiBilan's concert. The problem is that it is possible to fly without an APU (and it is much easier to replace it with an analogue), but not without a main engine. There is no Russian analogue, but we can probably forget about the Western ones for the next 10-15 years. A KB them. Antonova can allow herself to change the APU.

[PartizaN]

Ukraine is Russia's competitor ...? It just sounds like a joke ..

[maktub]

I agree completely. We need a closed production cycle, not cooperation as it was after the Union. Yes, and there was no such task before the well-known events. This is the breaking of ties and affects. The loss of time is what is most important until, as you say, "import substitution" works. , the market may "forget" about you

[Insurgent]

Quote: maktub

Loss of time is the most important thing, while, as you say, "import substitution" starts working, the market may "forget" about you

What kind of "import substitution" are you writing about in the context of the history of the outskirts? What have you done to implement it, all the more considering that having pre-planned intentions to break cooperation with the Russian Federation, you could use your "temporary head start" to overcome the inevitable negative impact on the sectors of your military-industrial complex?

But, according to everything, it turns out that without thinking you chopped the branch on which you were sitting ... On the "advice of friends"?

[maktub]

The whole problem is that politicians have been in power in Ukraine recently, not statesmen
We do something, not as fast as we would like, but where to go

[Alexey Sommer]

Good afternoon!
Can you list Ukrainian statesmen?

[PartizaN]

Quote: Alexey Sommer

Good afternoon!
Can you list Ukrainian statesmen?

Can I ? Klitschko !!!!!

[Alexey Sommer]

Klitschko is a Soviet athlete. This is yes.

[PartizaN]

Quote: Alexey Sommer

Klitschko is a Soviet athlete. This is yes.

He was not a bad athlete, but his brain Svidomo made him even more famous throughout the world .. Even ashamed of him.

[TermNachTer]

Klitschko started in the Soviet Union. As a bandit and an athlete, he took place already in Banderland

[Insurgent]

Quote: Alexey Sommer

Klitschko is a Soviet athlete. This is yes.

Do not scoff at Soviet sports ...


The criminal past of the Klitschko brothers
16.03.13, 00: 39
"Klitschko were" torpedoes "at the criminal authority Rybka" - deputy of the Kyiv City Council

The leader of the Kiev Civil Asset, Alexander Pabat, says that Vitali Klitschko suffers from a loss of memory when he is asked questions about his work and friendship with the criminal authority Rybka and the odious oligarch Igor Bakai.

According to Pabat, “in the 90s, only a person who came to Kiev did not know that the Klitschko started their career with“ torpedoes ”at Rybka, the crime boss Vitaly Rybalko. They earned, so to speak, start-up capital and gained combat experience. There is a lot of information about this on the Internet, where not only photos, but also videos of Klitschko and Rybka are posted.

Details: http://blog.i.ua/user/3884460/1183325

[maktub]

And hello to you. Real state officials ended under Danilych, with rare exceptions. The last one, I think, was Azarov

[Alexey Sommer]

Quote: maktub

Real state officials ended under Danilych

Sorry, but I still don't get it.
Please list the Ukrainian statesmen?

[maktub]

Like Kravchuk, Fokin, Marchuk, Pustovoitenko, Azarov, Kuchma, is that enough?

[Alexey Sommer]

Yes. So-so statesmen, if on garlic. This is the result.
Azarov was dispersed by the "insurgent people". They almost imprisoned this state with the permission to say the figure.
And his surname, along with Fokin (Who is this?), Is not racially correct. Sorry.
I would add a historical figure to this row.
There is no state without history.
Can you give a personality from history?

[maktub]

Why didn't Marchuk suit you? Fokin is the first prime minister of Ukraine
Nobody measures our skulls
Clarifying question, what age is the person?

[Alexey Sommer]

Quote: maktub

Fokin is the first prime minister of Ukraine

Well then, is it more of a Soviet statesman? It was the Soviet forge of personnel who prepared him.

Quote: maktub

Clarifying question, what age is the person?

any Ukrainian years. Yes, even any! Name an outstanding Ukrainian statesman! So may I ask?
Here is an example from Russian history.
Vladimir Krasno (e) Solnyshko is a character of the Russian epic epic, the prince of Kiev.
Are there Ukrainian statesmen in history?

[maktub]

I am always moved by such questions
This is not an example of Russian history, but of Slavic history.

[Alexey Sommer]

This is verbiage.
Rus, it is also Rus in Kiev.

[maktub]

Russian (centralized) state (also Russian kingdom (officially from 1547), Russia (officially from 1654)

[Alexey Sommer]

Quote: maktub

Russian (centralized) state (also Russian kingdom (officially from 1547), Russia (officially from 1654)

Well, ok, what is Russia?
Here I am listening with my ear ...
Russia-Russia = similar.
Rus-Ukraine = not similar ..
Ukrainian, place of residence.
Siberian, place of residence.
both speak and think in Russian.

[maktub]

Historical name of the East Slavic lands

[Alexey Sommer]

But do you agree that Russia is more like Russia than Russia is like Ukraine?
Or did we steal the name from the Ukrainians and they had to come up with another?)
ps For reference, everything south of the Oka was called Ukraine.
At the edge, border.
And everything to the east of the Urals is called Siberia.

[maktub]

No, a question of terminology
Russia originated from the Moscow principality and in Western sources it was called Muscovy, Tartaria, and the inhabitants were called Moscovites.
This is later, when they were "combing" the history of the creation of the state, they appropriated names for themselves (the history is written by the winners)

[Alexey Sommer]

Quote: maktub

This is later, when they were "combing" the history of the creation of the state, they appropriated names for themselves (the history is written by the winners)

Don't you want to be among the winners, for that matter?
You speak Russian, think Russian, but don't consider yourself a Russian "winner"?
I want to understand.
What motivates you to consider yourself ordinary?

[maktub]

Do not distort
We want to live with our own mind, and not at the tip of our "older brother" who has squeezed out the "kitchen and balcony", and pretends that this is how it should be

[Alexey Sommer]

OK. I agree, we will not distort.
Let's be specific. Which balcony and kitchen have you squeezed out?
I understood. You mean Donbass and Crimea ..
And how did "you" have it?
So this is our common.
Yes, we will even give you Siberia. Because we are one and the same. You have to be together.
Do you understand?
ps
And who is this "big brother"?
So Kiev is the elder brother.
No?

[maktub]

Let's take a figurative example, there is a communal apartment (the image of the USSR, which later died), the residents share the inheritance, they agreed, everything was formalized. The younger brother (the image of Ukraine) got a bedroom, a hall, a kitchen (sample Donbass) and a walk-through loggia (sample Crimea "The younger brother got sick. The" elder brother "(arr. Russia) came and fenced off the loggia and part of the kitchen (by the right of the strong) from the rest of the rooms of the" younger brother. "..
All clear?
Under the USSR, Russia with its capital in Moscow "was the center of decision-making, the rest of the republics were in a subordinate position and had to carry out these decisions

[Alexey Sommer]

So you know that Khrushchev and Brezhnev were from the Ukrainian clan in the CPSU?
And yes .. Divided .. Well, then why bite strong?
To blame for the famine?
Do you know how many people in Russia (RSFSR) died from the Holodomor at the same time?
More than in the former Ukrainian SSR at that time.
And your mistake is key in my opinion.
You divide into "strong" and "weak".
And I'm trying to explain to you that we are one people, artificially divided and exasperate us.
Do you need Siberia? Uniting?

[cat Rusich]

Quote: maktub

and a walk-through loggia (sample of the Crimea).

And when did the "little brother" get the "walk-through loggia"? - I clarify, WHEN did the "older brother" give the "walk-through loggia" to the younger brother? - February 19, 1954 (and nobody "gave" to Sevastopol). The catch is that the "younger brother" denies KINDING with the "older brother" - he says: "We are not brothers ..." - so let him return the "father's inheritance" (Soviet and Russian land acquisitions).

Quote: maktub

The younger brother got sick.

I "lost my mind" and began to lose memory - from the "democratic wheels" on which the "bad man" of the United States put the "little brother" on.
Do you mind? - then return the "bedroom" (arr. Galicia) to "cousin" Poland, Transcarpathian Rus (Uzhgorod) - "second brother" Slovakia, Bukovina (Chernivtsi) - "neighbor" Romania. After all, this "living space" was "squeezed" by the "elder brother" - it was time to "return the loot" ... Even the "hall" (Novorosiya) was "presented" to the "younger brother" by grandfather Lenin - denying the "blood relationship" with "grandfather" " the younger brother "questions" the ownership of the hall. Don't like this alignment? - cut and hand over for scrap the "gas pipe" (GTS) which was laid by the "big brother" (why do you need the $ - which the "aggressor" gives you - be principled ...).

[maktub]

All these lands were squeezed by the Pope (USSR), including with the help of the "younger brother"
Probably "big brother" forgot, so I will remind history-of-ukraine.jimdofree.com ›...
Ukraine's contribution to the victory in the Great Patriotic War ...
And again, all of the above was done by dad together (key word), with all the sons
How do you like this?

[cat Rusich]

I repeat - the "younger brother" DENIES the relationship with both the FATHER (USSR) and the "older brother" (RUSSIA) ... But what about the "gift" (Novorossiya) of Lenin's grandfather? - I explain: the "younger brother" claims that his "younger brother" was kidnapped from the "European family" (EU - Europe) and was "illegally kept" (occupied) in the "Moscow family" (Russian state). In the event that the "younger brother" ceases to be a "relative" (the "younger brother" shouts about it "at every euro corner"), the "inheritance" must be revised and returned to the time of the "abduction" (1654). And since the "younger brother" "returns to the European family" - maybe he will return the "cousin" Poland, "second brother" Slovakia and simply "neighbor" Romania - what "big daddy" (USSR) overcame? - a gesture of goodwill ... and repentance "for the sins of former relatives."

[maktub]

The problem of the older brother is that the Lord (UN) recognized the division of the pope's inheritance and the older brother agreed without pretensions.

[cat Rusich]

Quote: maktub

The problem of the older brother is that the Lord (UN) recognized the division of the pope's inheritance and the older brother agreed without pretensions.

The UN is old, "with one foot in the crypt" ... The "bad man" of the United States no longer listens to and does not obey the UN - "the whole world" takes an example from the "bad man" ... "The elder brother" has already revised the will of the "relative from Tiflis "-" the will of the younger brother "is written on" the same paper "(toilet paper) -" neighbor from the east "Japan the same" hammered a bolt "on the" demarcation of the village "after the" second world fight "- demands from the" older brother "4 "flower beds" from the "Kuril Garden" - will bring "to white heat" and in the "rock garden" near the "neighbor from the east" Japan will grow several "poplars" ...

[Ros 56]

Hey uncle, where and when did you get a balcony with a kitchen? Already who would bellow, got used to it for free.

[Alexey Sommer]

Good afternoon, dear Yuri.
Let's be patient in the discussion.
Moreover, we communicate with a fellow tribesman. Even if lost.
We need to help them understand themselves, not push them away.
There are also brainwashed mothers do not cry.

[Ros 56]

After the kids were torn to pieces, they are outside the law for me, only a universal denazification on the harshest conditions. Guilty under the knife. There will still be a headache with the local Hitler Youth.

[Alexey Sommer]

Dear Yuri!
In my opinion, I was patient and patient, these are different entities.
I am sure that our Maktub did not cut the kids.
Let's turn him into a friend?

[Ros 56]

I do not agree, they must answer for everything. After all, we got the current result from the fact that we did not bring the work on the fight against Bandera to its logical conclusion, our pity then turns into grief and tears.

[Alexey Sommer]

Let's think further.
Who came and cut the kids? We need to find out who exactly. Do you agree?
And so we come, then we will cut someone ..
They also have children. They will remember, they will take revenge.
It is necessary to look for points of unification. Otherwise, eternal enmity.
I think so. IMHO.

[Ros 56]

He spun it smartly, it means they will remember and take revenge, but should we forgive and forget? Well, well, multiply them by zero.

[Alexey Sommer]

Quote: Ros 56

Has famously spun

I guess I’m not explaining well. Sorry.

Quote: Ros 56

Well, well, multiply them by zero.

Different people live there.
Take Maktub, for example.
It takes patience and work and time to make a friend out of him, and two fingers on the asphalt as an enemy.

[Ros 56]

Apparently I did not explain this well, but I wrote - the denazification is universal, which naturally implies the separation of the lambs from the goats. And from here everything else follows.

[maktub]

Don't make anyone out of me (from m / f) , I already have a normal attitude to PEOPLE, and I don't divide people by nationality
In life I adhere to the principle: - treat people the way you want to treat you

[maktub]

Let's go to a confidential tone
Dear Alexei, I became a personality back in the USSR. I lived and served in Eastern Siberia for eight years, I have many friends and comrades throughout the former Soviet Union.
Been on "business" after the collapse of the USSR and in the near and far abroad
There is something to compare with and believe me, the comparison is not in favor of the Russian Federation
The moment of nostalgia is over

[Alexey Sommer]

Yes. ) Patience is not enough ..
The same thing happened.
But Zurich was the same 700 years ago.
But Kiev and Moscow, the same have existed for a long time, but differ from Zurich or Amsterdam. )
I can't take long. You need to run on business.

[maktub]

Hear grandfather, I inherited all this from a deceased relative, with which all relatives agreed
How is freebie expressed?

[Ros 56]

See the picture, since there is a problem with knowledge.

[Alexey Sommer]

Is this a relative of the USSR?
So this is our common Motherland.
And for me he did not rest.
He lives in my heart. Until then, he is alive!

[bored]

Judging by the post that is being discussed, the leadership of Ukraine lacks its intelligence ... The Varangians were invited (from Georgia, states, Lithuania) - they were also stupid ...

[Ros 56]

So look at your outskirts.

And what about the balcony and the kitchen, storyteller?

[maktub]

With the collapse of the USSR, the administrative borders were recognized as state borders, with which all republics agreed

[PartizaN]

Quote: maktub

The last one, I think so, was Azarov

The most adequate politician and business executive, but all of them were driven out of the outskirts .. Very many settled in Russia and work well, taking into account the rich experience "How to act so as not to ruin everything and convince everyone by examples .."

[maktub]

According to Yanovich, I agree, regarding the rest of Fedorovich's entourage, let you have

[boris epstein]

The only statesman in Ukraine since 1991 was the first prime minister, Vitold Pavlovich Fokin, who objected to the severing of economic, technical and scientific ties with Russia, and he remains so today. When he was introduced to the contact group for negotiations, he said that there were no signs of Russian aggression in Ukraine. For which he was immediately expelled from the contact group.

[Brturin]

Quote: maktub

will work "import substitution"

Import substitution - this is how they tried to propose bill # 3739, on the localization of public procurement in the field of mechanical engineering - this is how the US representative for Europe and the Middle East, Daniel Mallany, wrote a letter that the references there are not correct and yes, in general, we need to act, but - "not forgetting about the principles of liberalization market ", and the EU Ambassador to Ukraine Matti Maasikas so frankly -" The bill on localization of production should not even be paused, but completely forgotten "...

[maktub]

I put it a little differently: -substitution of Russian components for Ukrainian and foreign counterparts
3739 were discussed in working groups at the summit in Brussels, the result is not known.

[Simon]

It's only the beginning! Ukraine is already sinking below the very plinth in terms of economic development. She lost what she had under the Union, but gained nothing new.

[APASUS]

General Director of the company "Ukrspetsexport" Vadim Nozdrya, noticed that something went wrong? They thought that they would eternally eat up the SOVIET HERITAGE! And having chosen an enemy of Russia, they are sometimes very surprised ..............

[bar]

in Kiev announced the threat to the Ukrainian military-industrial complex

There is still something left to threaten?

[Zaurbek]

The Soviet legacy is ending ..... generations of technology are changing. You need to invest in development ....... plus developments and materials from "expensive" strategic industries that Ukraine does not have. NOT ANYMORE.

[7,62x54]

The "basic markets" of Ukraine is the supply of weapons to terrorists, followed by setting fire to their arsenals to cover their tracks. In this, the raguli have no equal.

[Andrea]

Having taken off a head through hair do not cry.
What competition can there be if even Iraq returned the supplied APCs without even taking them out of the holds?
And, in general, we gathered on NATO standards go-go.
There, I think, there will be a full profit, respect and respect!

[rotmistr60]

Unfortunately, Ukraine has long since dropped out of the top ten (world arms exporters - approx). Unfortunately, we also fall out of the top ten.

"And in the morning they woke up" (based on the stories of V. Shukshin). Are they really thinking of getting out of the Russophobic-nationalist hard drinking? Doubtful. So they just cry in the hope of another loan in the amount of the previous ones, which will be paid by several of their generations if they still live in this country.

[PartizaN]

Quote: rotmistr60

So they just cry in the hope of another loan in the amount of the previous ones, which will be paid by several of their generations if they still live in this country.

Even so, and rather, Russia will have to pay and launder the outskirts for their cheerful life ..
But this time, there are no investments and restorations .. Let the bulb be planted and the bacon salted

[da Vinci]

The first signals of competition appeared when the Russian Federation refused to supply tank guns to Ukraine.

[orionvitt]

The military-industrial complex of Ukraine has lost its competitiveness and faced active competition from Russia on world markets

As they sold all the Soviet legacy, the "bloody Bolsheviks", and came to the natural result. As in that saying, “Chukchi is not a reader, Chukchi is a writer.” (With all due respect to the Chukchi, in contrast to the Chubaty people). And svidomye, even "write" (read to build) could not do anything.

[iouris]

Well, it's even pointless to comment. Informational reason: has not died yet! Well, okay...

[cniza]

It looks like the military-industrial complex has already retired ...

[ccsr]

Many operational ties have been severed

- declared Nostril.

Here is an incorrect translation from Ukrainian, apparently, because Nozdrya wanted to say that "we have everything was stolen"and this is the real reason for the decline of the Ukrainian military-industrial complex.

[cniza]

And which of them tore - they did everything themselves ...

[cniza]

However, over the past years, most of these enterprises have been liquidated, and now this trend continues.

Therefore, what kind of competition he talks about, he already achieves the last.

[fn34440]

Judging by the nostalgic squeak and the vicious stench, "it hasn't died yet."

[cniza]

Yeah, and they can still minus, funny ...

[Dimon Dimonov_2]

For 30 years they sold - they killed and then Nostril got out and proves to everyone that 2x2 = 4

[Laksamana besar]

Ruslan Stefanchuk, First Vice Speaker of the Verkhovna Rada:

Consolidation of the uniform Kiev time throughout the territory of Ukraine will strengthen our defensive positions and will contribute to the de-occupation and reintegration of the temporarily occupied territories.

[Ros 56]

Well, what a savage military-industrial complex, what are you talking about? The main thing for them is to jump with a saucepan on their head.

[p-evgeniy87]

Let's cry over the Ukrainian military-industrial complex

[Metallurg_2]

Does country 404 still have a military-industrial complex?

[sergevonsohrn]

"... There is no need to blame the mirror, since the face is crooked!" (K. Prutkov) ... This is about the current "non-profit" ...

[Diviz]

There were even worse times. Polish Mamys hung Ukrainian Mamys upside down.

[neoshef]

Sorry for the poor ... They never realized that it was the war industry of the USSR, not Ukraine. The Union collapsed, and industry collapsed.

[Alexander Barinov]

Ukraine no longer exists, there is Ukraine * named after Mazepa, Petliura, Shukhevychny Banderki and other "heroes". Why do they * MIC?