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Russian "Zircon" will test the defeat of the aircraft carrier

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Russian "Zircon" will test the defeat of the aircraft carrier

Tests of the hypersonic anti-ship missile will continue, three test launches will be carried out by the end of the year, including at a target imitating a simulated enemy aircraft carrier. This was reported by TASS with reference to two sources in the Russian defense industry.


As reported, the frigate 22350 "Admiral Gorshkov" will also participate in the tests. Three launches will be made by the end of this year, the next one will take place in late October - early November. All three test launches will be carried out with real destruction of sea or ground targets imitating aircraft carriers or other strategic objects of a conventional enemy.

As part of the ongoing flight tests of the Zircon hypersonic missile from the frigate Admiral Gorshkov, three more firings will be fired by the end of this year. The next launch will take place in late October - early November

- the agency quotes the words of the interlocutor.

There is no official confirmation of this information. According to current practice, the Ministry of Defense reports on tests only after they have been carried out, without disclosing the date and place of tests.

Note that this week a successful test of the Zircon hypersonic anti-ship missile was carried out with the defeat of a sea target in the Barents Sea at a distance of 450 km. According to the data provided by the General Staff of the RF Armed Forces, "Zircon" developed a maximum speed of about 8 Mach numbers. The maximum flight altitude of the rocket was 28 km. It took 4,5 minutes from the moment of launch to hitting the target.





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  1. Knell wardenheart
    Knell wardenheart 9 October 2020 13: 35
    16
    The good news is that progress in precision weapons is definitely beneficial.
    1. credo
      credo 9 October 2020 13: 46
      13
      Quote: Knell Wardenheart
      The good news is that progress in precision weapons is definitely beneficial.

      Yes, 100 km per minute is cool, and if it is only half a force or a quarter of a force from the declared speed, then it is simply enchanting.
      When our "partners" digest this information, the first thing that comes to their mind is to declare our product inhumane. They are so predictable.
      1. The popuas
        The popuas 9 October 2020 14: 01
        -46 qualifying.
        The maximum speed is written about 8 Mach numbers! Although during the period when the "cartoons" were released, I don't remember exactly who, in my opinion Gerasimov was broadcasting that the speed of zircon would go beyond Mach 20 ... request
        1. Aerodrome
          Aerodrome 9 October 2020 14: 06
          -24 qualifying.
          Russian "Zircon" will test the defeat of the aircraft carrier
          as a target after exposure to electronic warfare and waabche ... just wondering
          1. Bi-mac
            Bi-mac 9 October 2020 14: 13
            18
            Can you express this idea more clearly? I feel that there is something important and interesting, but it does not reach. wink
            1. Bez 310
              Bez 310 9 October 2020 14: 46
              +7
              Quote: Bi-Mac
              I feel that there is something important and interesting, but it does not reach.

              I have already read this pearl several times,
              but the meaning did not catch, unfortunately.
              They know how to intrigue ...
              1. Sidor Amenpodestovich
                Sidor Amenpodestovich 9 October 2020 14: 54
                11
                Quote: Bez 310
                Quote: Bi-Mac
                I feel that there is something important and interesting, but it does not reach.

                I have already read this pearl several times,
                but the meaning did not catch, unfortunately.
                They know how to intrigue ...

                Maybe the reason is Friday?
                1. vVvAD
                  vVvAD 10 October 2020 12: 57
                  0
                  But those who minus definitely understood something wassat
              2. The comment was deleted.
            2. Lionnvrsk
              Lionnvrsk 10 October 2020 08: 20
              -1
              Quote: Bi-Mac
              Can you express this idea more clearly? I feel that there is something important and interesting, but it does not reach. wink

              Well .. like .. kind of .. uh ... hike ... actually ... means ... this is the same !! So if so !! hi
              1. Captain45
                Captain45 10 October 2020 15: 41
                0
                Quote: LIONnvrsk
                Well .. like .. kind of .. uh ... hike ... actually ... means ... this is the same !! So if so !!

                That is how it is, if which, but how you touch, so it is please request
          2. Lipchanin
            Lipchanin 9 October 2020 14: 53
            +4
            Quote: Aerodrome
            as a target after exposure to electronic warfare

            What kind of electronic warfare? He flies in a plasma cloud. Radio waves do not penetrate there
            1. ancient
              ancient 9 October 2020 14: 59
              -3
              Quote: Lipchanin
              Radio waves do not penetrate there

              A .. "from there" ..? wink That means only for a programmed stationary target ... but then ... what does it have to do with the "aircraft carrier"? belay request
              1. Lipchanin
                Lipchanin 9 October 2020 15: 02
                0
                Quote: ancient
                A .. "from there" ..?

                And from there
                That means only for a programmed stationary target ... but then ... what does it have to do with the "aircraft carrier"?

                It is easier to hit and the end justifies the means.
                And if also with YaB, then the whole AUG will receive a kirdyk
                1. ancient
                  ancient 9 October 2020 15: 48
                  -6
                  Quote: Lipchanin
                  And from there

                  Do you already have radio waves penetrating plasma? belay belay belay ..So why are you still here and not in your own design bureau and "raise" our rocketry to ... an unattainable height
                  wassat
                  Quote: Lipchanin
                  And if also with YaB, then the whole AUG will receive a kirdyk

                  Again .... "portraying a monkey with a grenade"? .. Although that is understandable, since in essence you absolutely have nothing to say. wassat
                  1. Lipchanin
                    Lipchanin 9 October 2020 19: 20
                    0
                    Quote: ancient
                    Do you already have radio waves penetrating plasma?

                    You did not study at the TsPSh?
                    What kind of electronic warfare? He flies in a plasma cloud. Radio waves do not penetrate there

                    Have you read it ????
                    What ... you blame me negative
              2. hrych
                hrych 9 October 2020 15: 37
                18
                There is no time to go from capturing a target to diving at it. The speed is monstrous and at full speed the aircraft carrier, at a speed of 30 knots, can travel 150 meters in 10 seconds. And Nimitz is as long as 330. The floor of the case. The capture of the target by the head of the seeker is usually from 20-50 km. 27 km Zircon flies in 10 seconds. So consider the chances to leave. For Zircon, the full speed of the ship is a stationary target.
                1. ancient
                  ancient 9 October 2020 15: 56
                  -4
                  Quote: hrych
                  There is no time to go from capturing a target to diving at it.

                  We do not consider the final stage of the flight, since at such speeds and the presence of the rocket in the "plasma", no signals from it to it ... do not pass .... 4-5 M ... yes ... higher .. . "call" wink
                  Quote: hrych
                  The capture of the target by the head of the seeker is usually from 20-50 km.

                  Here, yes ... there are no questions ... or by the antenna angle of 30 degrees (with AGSN), or 60 km (IGSN), but if for INGS the rocket flight speed can be ... of any value, then for any other guidance method ... ... this .. "does not work" recourse
                  And now the most important thing ... where is the Zircon carrier at this time? Who will transmit the coordinates of the target to him? How long will it take? How long will it take to
                  processing and entering data into the CVU and the rocket program? How long will it take to prepare for launch? wink
                  And the AUG at this time ... everything is chukh-chug-chug ... and if it also changes the course of movement ... and the rocket has already gone and its speed ... a lot of M and no signals for control and correction and she can no longer receive a change in data entry ... since in .. "plasma"? wink
                  1. Mordvin 3
                    Mordvin 3 9 October 2020 16: 20
                    -4
                    Quote: ancient
                    And AUG at this time ... everything is chug-chug-chug ...

                    Well, they reminded me. wink
                  2. hrych
                    hrych 9 October 2020 20: 21
                    0
                    Coordinates will be given by satellite Liana and ZGRLS, in real time. The main thing is that the aircraft carrier does not leave the radius of operation of the seeker, which is 20-50 km. Well, there is no way for him to escape, since it is 5-10 minutes to fly for 500-1000 km. For 50 kilometers to leave, he needs almost an hour. In half an hour it will go 25 km and it is at full speed. No chance. Just no chance of leaving. Well, the aircraft carrier is not only worn at full speed.
                  3. sivuch
                    sivuch 10 October 2020 14: 34
                    0
                    Are you sure that the product flies at maximum speed all the time?
                    1. ancient
                      ancient 10 October 2020 14: 38
                      -1
                      Quote: sivuch
                      Are you sure that the product flies at maximum speed all the time?

                      You can be sure only when I know for sure ... I don't know, but I can assume that ..... any "brazen" on a dive is already flying without the main engine running ... then it slows down a little ... but the whole thing is lost a little differently meaning of "hypersound" wink
                  4. sivuch
                    sivuch 10 October 2020 14: 47
                    -1
                    Why do you think that it will take almost hours to transfer the control center? The adversaries already have (or are planning - I don’t remember) retargeting CDs in the air.
                    1. ancient
                      ancient 10 October 2020 14: 54
                      -1
                      Quote: sivuch
                      Why do you think that it will take almost hours to transfer the control center?

                      Firstly, not hours, but minutes (sometimes up to several tens ... minutes wink ).
                      Quote: sivuch
                      The adversaries already have (or are planning - I don't remember) retargeting CD in the air

                      The adversaries have ... only there is a rocket ... SOUND this time, and secondly ... they, unlike us (for today ... and maybe forever ... with such a Guide in Roskosmos, which, except trampolines, has nothing to offer wassat ) there are methods and lines of processing and transmission of information.
                      We can also retarget the missile in the air, while it is still "flying" together with the aircraft ... by entering new coordinates of the target of the on-board computer RAM, and from there into the "brains" of the missile wink
              3. Whirlwind
                Whirlwind 9 October 2020 15: 58
                0
                And the command is given to him - "Stop! I will shoot!"
            2. Latrus
              Latrus 9 October 2020 16: 12
              +2
              Quote: Lipchanin
              Quote: Aerodrome
              as a target after exposure to electronic warfare

              What kind of electronic warfare? He flies in a plasma cloud. Radio waves do not penetrate there

              What's the use of explaining to them Sergei .. They would throw mud at everything Russian.
              Well done our Kulibins!
        2. Voyager
          Voyager 9 October 2020 14: 09
          24
          There was no such thing. During the period when the "cartoons" were released, Zircon was mentioned only in passing, and it was in the context of the 20 swings about the Vanguard.
          1. The popuas
            The popuas 9 October 2020 14: 41
            0
            Sorry, I confused the avant-garde hi
          2. x.andvlad
            x.andvlad 9 October 2020 15: 03
            -22 qualifying.
            Quote: Voyager
            During the period when the "cartoons" were released, Zircon was mentioned only in passing ...

            Obviously, the period of cartoons, as such, has not ended.
            After a short plot with the launch of a rocket, which after a couple of seconds dissolved in low clouds, they again showed another animation, apparently about the "Zircon" in flight. And what they launched there, where they launched, hit, did not hit - no one saw. But the report at the highest level in the Kremlin in d. Supreme accepted ...
            1. Paranoid50
              Paranoid50 9 October 2020 17: 31
              +6
              Quote: x.andvlad
              hit, not hit - no one saw.

              Well, again, the townspeople were offended - "From and To" was not shown. request Sadness, lobby ... laughing
            2. Voyager
              Voyager 9 October 2020 18: 06
              +2
              Quote: x.andvlad
              And what they launched there, where they launched, hit, did not hit - no one saw. But the report at the highest level in the Kremlin at d. Supreme accepted ...

              Whoever needs it, he saw. This is information for competent people.
        3. Boris ⁣ Shaver
          Boris ⁣ Shaver 9 October 2020 14: 12
          14
          Quote: Popuas
          Gerasimov said that the speed of zircon would go beyond Mach 20

          Slander as much as you can? Oh well.
          1. Dodikson
            Dodikson 9 October 2020 14: 40
            +5
            he confuses Zircon with Vanguard.
        4. Escobar
          Escobar 9 October 2020 14: 27
          -8
          Who will remember this right now?
        5. NEXUS
          NEXUS 9 October 2020 14: 38
          +7
          Quote: Popuas
          The maximum speed is written about 8 Mach numbers!

          Written, AVERAGE SPEED Mach 8! Either you read diagonally or just in the morning you decided to throw dermisch on the fan.
          The launch range of the Zircon was announced at 450 km ... the speed after 450 km will probably increase, and this is what representatives of the Ministry of Defense declare about this WITHOUT CARTOONS (as you loved in your posts) representatives of the Ministry of Defense, announcing the speed of more than 10 swings.
          But even 8 swings for an aircraft carrier behind the eyes, in the subject of intercepting such an anti-ship missile. That is, the possibility of interception is rapidly falling to zero. And since no one will shoot a single anti-ship missile on AUG, the conversation is about a flock of Zircons, which complicates the issue of interception by an order of magnitude, or even two.
          1. The popuas
            The popuas 9 October 2020 14: 42
            -5
            I read exactly ... According to the data provided by the General Staff of the RF Armed Forces, "Zircon" developed a maximum speed of about 8 Mach numbers. The maximum flight altitude of the rocket was 28 km ..... wink
            1. NEXUS
              NEXUS 9 October 2020 14: 51
              10
              Quote: Popuas
              The maximum flight altitude of the rocket was 28 km .....

              And all this in TEST MODE! Nobody will tell you what the maximum ceiling height of this rocket is, just as they will not even tell you the maximum real speed even after all the tests.
              What the MO voices, you must understand, is for the public and the media. And knowing that our developers ALWAYS underestimate the performance characteristics of products, we can say with great confidence that 8 swings and 28 km are very average data.
              1. hrych
                hrych 9 October 2020 15: 28
                +1
                100 km per minute (which is already fantastic) is the average speed. And the maximum, apparently when diving on the target, reached 8 swings. After all, the rocket does not immediately start from Mach 8, but accelerates from zero, picks up speed, first goes into supersonic, rises into the stratosphere, reaches hypersound and dives towards the target, reaching its maximum. Therefore, from 0 to 8 machs, a non-uniform speed and an average of 100 km / min.
                1. NEXUS
                  NEXUS 9 October 2020 15: 35
                  +1
                  Quote: hrych
                  After all, the rocket does not immediately start from Mach 8, but accelerates from zero,

                  And the distance you do not take into account? Tested for 450 km, but what is the maximum range, there is a big question.
                  Quote: hrych
                  and dives towards the target, reaching the maximum.

                  You have suggested only one of the possible flight algorithms ... what if Zircon behaves like Onyx, dropping 10 meters to the water surface and reaching the target on the final leg of the flight?
                  1. hrych
                    hrych 9 October 2020 18: 22
                    +2
                    It is unlikely that a hypersonic glider will be launched at a low-altitude breakthrough. The stratosphere is a place for hypersound, well, dive when you have already neither left nor intercepted, the more we guess that the SBS is a priority.
              2. Vladimir_6
                Vladimir_6 9 October 2020 15: 40
                +7
                Quote: NEXUS
                And knowing that our developers ALWAYS underestimate the performance characteristics of products, we can say with great confidence that 8 swings and 28 km are very average data.

                It's like with "Calibers". The fact that the range is NOT 300 km. learned after the launch on the barmaley in Syria from the Caspian Sea. And then for some time they figured out whether it was a fake.
                1. Alexey RA
                  Alexey RA 9 October 2020 16: 11
                  +1
                  Quote: Vladimir_6
                  It's like with "Calibers". The fact that the range is NOT 300 km. learned after the launch on the barmaley in Syria from the Caspian Sea.

                  No. The launches in Syria only confirmed in practice the official data on the range of the "Caliber", announced two years earlier during the state ICR "Dagestan".
                  The test results are positive. The ship is not bad, with modern fittings. It is currently the most powerful ship in the armament of the Russian fleet. It is equipped with a missile system, the firing range of which against surface targets is 375 km, and against a coastal target - up to 2600 km. TThere are no more such complexes with powerful missile weapons in Russia, only on submarines.
                  © Commander of the Caspian Flotilla of the Russian Navy, Rear Admiral Sergei Alekminsky. Jul 07, 2012
                  1. Vladimir_6
                    Vladimir_6 9 October 2020 20: 31
                    +1
                    Quote: Alexey RA
                    No. Launches in Syria only confirmed in practice the official data on the range of "Calibers", announced two years earlier during the state ICR "Dagestan"

                    Wikipedia has this data:
                    "According to reports from 2012, the firing range of Kalibr missiles at sea targets is 375 km, and 2600 km at ground targets."
                    This means "learned in practice", because launches at such a distance were made for the first time.
                    1. ZEMCH
                      ZEMCH 9 October 2020 22: 27
                      +2
                      Quote: Vladimir_6
                      This means "learned in practice", because launches at such a distance were made for the first time.

                      For the first time they were presented to the general public, the caliber was tested for a long time and the real range was checked long before the launches in Syria, and even more than once. So definitely not the first))))
                      1. Vladimir_6
                        Vladimir_6 10 October 2020 00: 22
                        +1
                        Quote: ZEMCH
                        The caliber was tested for a long time and the real range was checked long before the launches in Syria, and even more than once.

                        That's not news. Moreover, the real range was laid down when calculating the parameters. I'm not talking about tests, the results of which only Russian experts knew, but about the first combat use.
                        Quote: NEXUS
                        And knowing that our developers ALWAYS underestimate the performance characteristics of products ..

                        They do not underestimate for themselves, but for "partners". It is said about them, "we learned that the range is NOT 300 km.
                        From messages of that time https://ria.ru/20151013/1301000559.html
                        13.10.2015/300/XNUMX "The US Department of Defense did not even know that cruise missiles of the Caliber complex can be launched from miniature ships, unlike Tomahawks, which can only be launched from large ships" ... "The Pentagon went into a stupor because the demonstration of Russian technologies highlighted the end of the era of American aviation domination and the end of the US monopoly on the use of cruise missiles. US military analysts continue to think that the range of Russian missiles is XNUMX kilometers, "the analyst believes ..
              3. The popuas
                The popuas 9 October 2020 16: 29
                0
                Who cares who underestimates what! You wrote to me ... AVERAGE SPEED Mach 8! Either you read diagonally or just in the morning you decided to throw dermis on the fan ... I, in turn, gave you an excerpt from the article, you, in turn, began to influence with your tail ... fool Like an adult ... No.
          2. Lipchanin
            Lipchanin 9 October 2020 14: 57
            -2
            Quote: NEXUS
            And since no one will shoot a single anti-ship missile on AUG,

            It is possible and single, but with YaB
            Enough for the eyes for the whole AUG
          3. ancient
            ancient 9 October 2020 15: 04
            0
            Quote: NEXUS
            But even 8 swings for an aircraft carrier behind the eyes, in the subject of intercepting such an anti-ship missile. That is, the possibility of interception is rapidly falling to zero. And since no one will shoot a single anti-ship missile on AUG, the conversation is about a flock of Zircons, which complicates the issue of interception by an order of magnitude, or even two.

            Andrei drinks Everything seems to be so, but ... there are vague doubts ....... the aircraft carrier is a moving target .. is included in the order, with false targets ..... let's say that the Zircon was launched from the 1000 km line .. ..but how then will the "Zircon" itself be guided ... if it ... flies "in the" plasma "... and from the point of the last location of the AUG, which was opened, until the data coordinates are brought in .." a lot "of time
            And about .. "a flock of" Zircons ".... smiled wink drinks
            1. NEXUS
              NEXUS 9 October 2020 15: 17
              +2
              Quote: ancient
              Andrei

              Seryoga, hello! drinks
              Quote: ancient
              Everything seems to be so, but ... there are vague doubts ....... the aircraft carrier is a moving target .. is included in the order, with false targets ..... let's say that the Zircon was launched from the 1000 km line .. ..but then how will the Zircon itself be guided ...

              Come on in order, friend ... Zircon doesn't need to know the exact location of a target in the target's maneuver modes. He just needs to know a more or less exact direction in which direction to fly. What is 1000 km for Zircon? This is a little less than 10 minutes of flight, that is, the question arises - what can an aircraft carrier do in 10 minutes if its nominal speed is 20 knots, or about 50 km / h? Will it go far?
              Quote: ancient
              if it ... flies "in" plasma "... and from the point of the last location of the AUG, which was opened, until the given coordinates are brought up .." a lot "of time

              Less than 10 minutes in total. It's not a lot, friend.
              RCC flight algorithm is unknown. It can be very different. For example, it rises by 40-50 km, and in layers of less dense air flies in a plasma cocoon, to the approximate location of the AUG, after which it drops the speed to Mach 4 for a few seconds, thereby getting rid of the plasma, determines exact location of the target and dives vertically to the target from 40 km.
              This is one example of the Zircon flight algorithm, as an option.
              Quote: ancient
              And about .. "a flock of" Zircons ".... smiled

              Well, it is logical that no one will beat a single Zircon on KUG or AUG. And I have strong suspicions that Zircon inherited work in the flock from Granite, which he is going to replace.
              1. ancient
                ancient 9 October 2020 16: 19
                +3
                Quote: NEXUS
                Come on in order, friend ... Zircon doesn't need to know the exact location of a target in the target's maneuver modes.

                Andrey, that would be exactly right to hit ... it is obligatory otherwise only with "special warheads" and even then ... you need a powerful one, and "Zircon" .... small "therefore for a rocket with AGS deviations ... a meter, well, two, but for ANN and without correction .... from a distance of 500 km ... a square of 10x8 ... km (!!!) ... this is such .. reality.
                Well, if the speed is subsonic and there are already SINS's and even GPS ... then yes, and you can aim at the final section and ... wink
                1. NEXUS
                  NEXUS 9 October 2020 16: 25
                  +3
                  Quote: ancient
                  Andrey, to get exactly right ... be sure

                  Friendly, and what are the performance characteristics of the GOS Zircon? Onyx, if sclerosis does not change me, has a detection range of 50 km. I think Zircon has about twice as much. That is, in the final section, roughly speaking, for 100 km, Zircon will drop its speed to about hypersonic, receive data from its GOS, as well as from satellites and A-50U / A-100, and then either acceleration to a speed incompatible with the life of any ship, or at near speed it flies with obscenities and songs to the target, which is about 4 swings. Onyx has Mach 2,5 and is considered a very uncomfortable target for any ship, including Avik.
                  Quote: ancient
                  and for ANN even without correction.

                  Therefore, I drew your attention to the fact that in 10 minutes, Avik will not have time to go far out of the square that will be given to Zircon in the flight task initially.
                  1. ancient
                    ancient 9 October 2020 16: 38
                    -1
                    Quote: NEXUS
                    Friendly, and what are the performance characteristics of the GOS Zircon? M

                    Well, you ask questions lol bully
                    Quote: NEXUS
                    ... Onyx, if sclerosis does not change me, the detection range is 50 km

                    And what is Onyx's flight speed? wink ... the same .. in "plasma"? wink
                    Quote: NEXUS
                    Zircon will drop the speed to about hypersonic, receive data from its GOS, as well as from satellites and A-50U / A-100, and then either acceleration

                    To do this, you need to ... attach the "tank" of fuel to it ... because you need to put the engine back in the starting mode, and then only in the cruise laughing
                    Quote: NEXUS
                    A-50U / A-100

                    Forgot about the A-100 right away wink ... and the detection range of the AUG for the A-50U is what wink ..that's right .. max. 650 km ... and the zone of loitering during the threatened period of the Super Hornet fighters what wink ... right 800-850 km ....... is everything clear? crying
                    Quote: NEXUS
                    , or at near speed it flies with obscenities and songs to the target, which is about 4 swings.

                    If this speed is then there are no questions .. there will be guidance and ..... but Aegis is already working on targets flying up to Mach 6 wink
                    Quote: NEXUS
                    Therefore, I drew your attention to the fact that in 10 minutes, Avik will not have time to go far out of the square that will be given to Zircon in the flight task initially.

                    He will not have these 10 minutes at "Zircon" ... he has already described in detail in his answer to the dear Khrych .. read
                    1. NEXUS
                      NEXUS 9 October 2020 16: 49
                      0
                      Quote: ancient
                      Well, you ask questions

                      Well, I'm sorry, friend ... I ran into it myself lol
                      Quote: ancient
                      and the detection range of the AUG for the A-50U is ... correct ... max. 650 km ... and the loitering zone during the threatened period of the "Super Hornet" fighters what ... correct 800-850 km ....... everything is further understandably?

                      Quiet quiet friendly ... there are still satellites to see what they are capable of doing. At the same time, I apologize, but do you think the AUG will immediately detect the MOMENT of the Zircon launch?
                      Quote: ancient
                      If this speed is then there are no questions .. there will be guidance and ..... but Aegis is already working on targets flying up to Mach 6

                      Excuse me for the reaction time of Aegis, what?
                      1. ancient
                        ancient 9 October 2020 17: 04
                        0
                        Quote: NEXUS
                        , and the MOMENT of the Zircon launch do you think AUG will immediately notice it?

                        And why should they detect the moment of launch ... they are like us ... always try, do not even try, but the task is set to ... destroy the CARRIER ... because if this task is not completed or partially, then the "receiving" side can problems arise.
                        Therefore, they put their Hokkai and Hornets in the zones of possible attacks by the enemy and RTR and air defense and anti-aircraft defense ... or do you think that they .. "did it with a finger"? wink
                        Quote: NEXUS
                        , for Zircon is a maneuvering anti-ship missile)? m

                        Let's leave this question .. "open" .. because when maneuvering (in the normal sense of the term) at such speeds .... no rudders and time will not be enough to .. return to the target lol
                        Quote: NEXUS
                        How old is Zircon

                        He will detect the "Zircon" at a distance of 450 km .. here and consider another question whether he can get into the "Zircon" .... although the launch is purely in the front hemisphere it must be considered, but at the same time have real data.
                      2. NEXUS
                        NEXUS 9 October 2020 17: 41
                        +2
                        Quote: ancient
                        Why should they detect the moment of launch ..

                        In order to give time for their missile defense systems to respond to the threat. Or do you mean that intercepting Zircon, you need only one interceptor missile? I will upset you, from 2 to infinity. And all this takes time. And given the speed of Zircon, the AUG does not have a lot of time.
                        Quote: ancient
                        Therefore, they put their Hokkai and Hornets in the zones of possible attacks by the enemy and RTR and air defense and anti-aircraft defense ... or do you think that they .. "did it with a finger"?

                        More curved than straight. And I once again ask the question, at what distance of the AUG ABM system are there ways to detect (and detect in general) a flying anti-ship missile at a speed of 8-10 mach? Especially if it will fly in the stratosphere. Here the Chelyabinsk meteorite comes to mind, about which our tracking systems learned when no one was going anywhere. lol
                        Quote: ancient
                        Let's leave this question .. "open" .. because when maneuvering (in the normal sense of the term) at such speeds .... no rudders and time will not be enough to .. return to the target

                        So, the heads of the ICBMs on hypersound are Might, but Zircon is NOT MIGHT?
                        Quote: ancient
                        He detects Zircon at a distance of 450 km.

                        And from this moment on in more detail, pzhlsta, I will write it down. Where does this infa come from?
                      3. ancient
                        ancient 9 October 2020 18: 38
                        -1
                        [quote = NEXUS] In order to give time for their missile defense systems to respond to the threat. [/ quote]

                        AUG, among other things, has AWACS ships, AWACS aircraft and Aegis itself sees 450-500 km at high altitudes ... so time ... "carriage" (and it "serves" about 300 targets with the possibility of "auto-pipeline "and launch by 20).

                        [quote = NEXUS] And I once again ask the question, at what distance is the AUG ABM system ways to detect (and detect in general) a flying anti-ship missile at a speed of 8-10 mach? [/ quote]

                        Already several times you answered this question ... even in this comment wink

                        [quote = NEXUS] This is where the Chelyabinsk meteorite comes to mind, about which our tracking systems learned when no one was going anywhere [/ quote]

                        Keyword ... "our": wassat
                        : [/ quote]
                        [quote = NEXUS] Why? So the ICBM heads on hypersound Can [/ quote]

                        And who told you ... that they are on hypersound ..... The Minuteman, for example, before opening and entering the atmosphere, slows down to .. "normal" M numbers ... I don't think ours have it ... otherwise ... well, if only not by .. "the greatest delight" - "planning with maneuvers at M> 20 M, and even in dense layers of the atmosphere" ... wassat lol wink

                        [quote = NEXUS] And from now on, in more detail, pzhlsta, I'll write it down. Where does this infa come from? [/ Quote]

                        There is such a science .. TACTICS ... at school they "taught" well, and even in .. "I build" .. they did not let .. "slap" soldier
                      4. NEXUS
                        NEXUS 9 October 2020 19: 09
                        +1
                        Quote: ancient
                        AUG has, among other things, AWACS ships, AWACS aircraft and Aegis himself sees at 450-500 km at high altitudes ... so time ... "carriage"

                        Well, yes ... but you just did not specify WHAT TARGETS Aegis is able to detect at such distances ... yeah ... at the same time, the question of fighting a PACK OF ZIRCONS comes up again. And at the expense of the time wagon ... hmm ... cut the sturgeon, friend.
                        Quote: ancient
                        Keyword ... "our": wassat

                        Uh-huh ... ours did not notice, but the western ones like the eyes of the Lord ... fellow Friend, that meteorite ALL missed both ours and not ours.
                        Quote: ancient
                        And who told you ... that they are on hypersound ...

                        Hello please. Since when did the ICBM head become slow at the final section? Even if I overslept or do we live in an alternate reality?
                        Quote: ancient
                        I do not think that ours ... otherwise ...

                        Estimate ... but the development of the Vanguard is not in the know ... wink
      2. Soho
        Soho 9 October 2020 17: 04
        0
        if it ... flies "in" plasma ".

        Why is the knowledge of sofa experts only enough to suck on one single phrase, picked up from smart articles? As if breaking through a "window" in a plasma laminar layer is an impossible task
      3. ZEMCH
        ZEMCH 9 October 2020 22: 35
        +1
        Quote: ancient
        Andrey Everything seems to be so, but ... there are vague doubts ....... the aircraft carrier is a moving target .. is included in the order, with false targets ..... let's say that the Zircon was launched from the 1000 km line. ... but how then will the Zircon itself be guided ... if it ... flies "in the" plasma "... and from the point of the last location of the AUG, which was opened, until the coordinates are brought in ..." a lot "of time
        And about .. "a flock of" Zircons ".... smiled

        By answering my questions, you will understand how Zircon is induced)))
        The first question is - in what part of the Zircon flying towards the target is there no plasma cloud?
        Well, in pursuit of the second question - how is the "flock" of Granit missiles directed?
    2. sivuch
      sivuch 10 October 2020 14: 38
      0
      I think that the average can be even less than 8M and there is an opportunity to play - the average (and maximum) speed is higher with a shorter range and more.
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  3. TuM0305
    TuM0305 9 October 2020 16: 02
    -7
    It will be the same as with 400 in Syria! some show-off and nothing and no one not confirmed the performance characteristics of the next miracle of weapons! Give a video of a volley of zircon on a target ship with a video of this miracle hit! In the meantime, this is another uryapatric chatter!
    1. kventinasd
      kventinasd 9 October 2020 17: 22
      +4
      Quote: TuM0305
      It will be the same as with 400 in Syria! some show-off and nothing and nobody confirmed the performance characteristics of the next miracle of weapons!

      You tell the "stupid" Chinese with the Turks why they buy these cartoons, and others also line up in line.
    2. ZEMCH
      ZEMCH 9 October 2020 22: 39
      +3
      Quote: TuM0305
      It will be the same as with 400 in Syria! some show-off and nothing and no one not confirmed the performance characteristics of the next miracle of weapons! Give a video of a volley of zircon on a target ship with a video of this miracle hit! In the meantime, this is another uryapatric chatter!

      Operation Behemoth was carried out, the video was not shown to the whole world, but somehow the adversaries were enough to understand. This, by the way, is the launch of a full ammunition load from an SSBN with an interval of 14 seconds. To repeat until no one in the world dared)))
      1. TuM0305
        TuM0305 10 October 2020 09: 13
        +1
        And what does the 1989 teachings have to do with the USSR? where is the video of the launch of 16 mace missiles at full range from borea? Remember the launch of Gagarin into space! If you are an ordinary bot, you would be silent!
        1. ZEMCH
          ZEMCH 10 October 2020 11: 22
          +2
          Successful Behemoth in August 1991, I wrote that videos do not represent if characteristics are read from the video
  4. Gado
    Gado 9 October 2020 16: 09
    +2
    This "Vanguard" flies at a speed of about Mach 27 or 33000 km / h, you did not watch the correct "cartoon" along the way. And the speed of "Zircon" is still a little unknown value, maybe 8 swings, and maybe much more, no one will tell us.
  5. Piramidon
    Piramidon 9 October 2020 17: 00
    -2
    Quote: Popuas
    I don't remember exactly who, in my opinion Gerasimov was broadcasting

    When you remember, then go in with the comments.
  6. venik
    venik 9 October 2020 20: 17
    0
    Quote: Popuas
    The maximum speed is written about 8 Mach numbers! Although during the period when the "cartoons" were released, I don't remember exactly who, in my opinion Gerasimov was broadcasting that the speed of zircon would go beyond Mach 20 ... request

    ========
    "Colonel"! With such applications, you risk being "demoted" to ensign in the near future! WHEN did he (Gerasimov) say THIS?
    You for an hour "God's gift" with scrambled eggs (ie "Vanguard" with "Zircon") DID NOT confuse ???
  • Machito
    Machito 9 October 2020 14: 05
    +3
    With the adoption of Zircon, our "kids" frigates, corvettes and MRK will become very dangerous toys. Even if the enemy strikes them first, they will have every chance of destroying the enemy ships with return fire.
    1. ancient
      ancient 9 October 2020 15: 08
      0
      Quote: Bearded
      our "kids" frigates, corvettes and mrk will become very dangerous toys

      Unfortunately, you are very right .... on the account of .. "toys" ... which have neither PLO, nor air defense. And .. so ... floating .. "battery" .... and not so numerous, what. it will not take very long to destroy them by forces ... long ago grown from the category of "toys" wink
      1. hrych
        hrych 9 October 2020 15: 23
        +2
        Kids will not need to leave their active air defense / anti-aircraft defense zone. And in the world's oceans, our Antaeus and Ash trees will pinch their foe. There was also a specialization of aircraft carrier killers and no one removed this task from them, yes, additional responsibilities appeared.
        1. ancient
          ancient 9 October 2020 15: 41
          0
          Quote: hrych
          There was a specialization of the assassins of aircraft carriers and no one removed this task from them, yes, there were additional responsibilities.

          That's right ... but that was in our time, when the submarine fleet was strong, powerful and ... a lot of numbers wink
          Quote: hrych
          And in the world's oceans, our Antaeus and Ash trees will pinch their foe.

          Abso drinks loyutno not against ... but how many we have ... these "Anteyev" and "Ash", and how many AUG and KUG wink
          Quote: hrych
          Kids will not need to leave their active air defense / anti-aircraft defense zone.

          And who then prevents the foe .. to "sentence" them in this .. "active zone" with their JASSM-XR wink
          1. NEXUS
            NEXUS 9 October 2020 15: 54
            +1
            Quote: ancient
            Absolutely not against ... but how many we have ... these "Anteyevs" and "Ash trees", and how many AUG and KUG they have

            Well, friend here is a double-edged sword. The fact is that most of their aircraft carriers are desperately asking for repairs and do not go out on combat raids, but rust against the wall.
            At the same time, what NEW anti-ship missiles do mattresses have, besides the old one, like the excrement of the mammoth Harpoon? Their fleet is more likely to be imprisoned for work on the coast, and not for sea battles with ships.
            Quote: ancient
            And who then prevents the foe .. to "sentence" them in this .. "active zone" with their JASSM-XR

            Are you friends about this -AGM-158B JASSM-ER, with a range of 980 km? Our fighters, A-50U, and God's providence are obliged to prevent them. hi
            1. Alexey RA
              Alexey RA 9 October 2020 16: 24
              +4
              Quote: NEXUS
              The fact is that most of their aircraft carriers are desperately asking for repairs and do not go to combat raids, but rust against the wall.

              This is a normal situation. It's just that it is difficult for us to understand and realize that for a full and long-term operation of an AV, it must spend 25-30% of its service life in repair.
              Quote: NEXUS
              At the same time, what NEW RCC mattresses have, besides the old one, like the excrement of the mammoth Spear?

              LRASM. So far, aviation, but tests from the UVP have already been carried out.
              Quote: NEXUS
              Their fleet is more sharpened to work along the coast, and not to sea battles with ships.

              Their fleet is sharpened to accompany the main anti-ship force - AB. The US Navy has made, in fact, a long-range anti-ship missile system with a recoverable manned marching unit and multiple warheads: the Hornet brings light and short-range Harpoons to the launch line (moreover, with an operational correction of the launch point based on the latest target data) and returns to AB for a new portion. smile
              True, recently, due to the growth of the zone of vital interests of the United States and the forces of potential adversaries in these zones, the US Navy is moving away from the concept of AB as the only anti-ship force and is going to fight the enemy ships with its non-aircraft-carrying ships. Just because AB against everyone is no longer enough.
              1. ZEMCH
                ZEMCH 10 October 2020 13: 50
                +1
                Quote: Alexey RA
                LRASM. So far, aviation, but tests from the UVP have already been carried out.

                It does not fit into the UVP)) It is aviation, because the concept of its use by long-range aviation, without going into the air defense zone.
  • AshPoseidon
    AshPoseidon 9 October 2020 14: 13
    +1
    On "Zircon" "Partners" are already puzzled. There is nothing to fend off the threat. The West literally said: "We won't even have time to get scared now."
    Now the next in line is Poseidon.
  • Vladimir Mashkov
    Vladimir Mashkov 9 October 2020 15: 21
    -1
    Quote: Knell Wardenheart
    The good news is that progress in precision weapons is definitely beneficial.

    And so it was clear against WHAT and WHO "Zircon". But with this message, Russia additionally tickles the West: all your "mighty aircraft carriers" are just a wonderful fraternal grave GOAL! lol
    1. Knell wardenheart
      Knell wardenheart 9 October 2020 15: 34
      -2
      Yes, there is no reason to tickle someone there once again (and in principle). Decision-makers are usually aware of the capabilities of a potential adversary and without "tickling". But the public, of course, is excited once again, and not always predictably excited, by the way.
      The very same Russophobia that so often outrages us is, among other things, the fruit of our own activities and the stupid collective farm reaction to the speaking heads of the Western media of all colors of the rainbow.

      So it's better not to advertise your capabilities - blackbox is much more scary. However, development in this direction is, of course, a priority - because Japan, China, the United States - all our earnest friends will feel uncomfortable next to our waters.
      1. AVA77
        AVA77 9 October 2020 17: 00
        -1
        You mean the dull collective farm reaction is easier, you are our intelligent. fool
        1. Knell wardenheart
          Knell wardenheart 9 October 2020 17: 53
          +1
          ... Like when there is nothing to answer, but the collective farm is inside negodue
  • 1976AG
    1976AG 9 October 2020 13: 43
    11
    Make a complete imitation of an aircraft carrier with a name on board and an imitation of the US flag and show it off.
    1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
      Boris ⁣ Shaver 9 October 2020 14: 03
      +4
      Quote: 1976AG
      Make a complete imitation of an aircraft carrier with a name on board and an imitation of the US flag and show it off.

      Officially request the USA for the written off avik for experiments. They are just going to write off some of these mega-troughs.
      Aren't the Yankees themselves wondering what happens?
      1. bar
        bar 9 October 2020 14: 08
        +8
        Arrange joint exercises with striped ones. They have an aircraft carrier with a bunch of missile defense systems, we have a "zircon". And see if they get caught. If not caught, you can run the second. laughing
        1. ancient
          ancient 9 October 2020 15: 12
          +1
          Quote: bar
          we have "zircon"

          Only on what? If against another ship ... then it is quite (it would be from whom the CU .. "receive, but .. how then to be with .." plasma "? wink
          If from a nuclear submarine, then it is quite and quite likely to carry out even a group launch, but from a surface carrier ... there are very vague doubts that during a threatened period our surface carrier will be given the opportunity to reach the launch line by AUG soldier
          1. NEXUS
            NEXUS 9 October 2020 16: 03
            +1
            Quote: ancient
            then quite (it would be from whom the control center .. "to receive, but .. how then to be with .." plasma "?

            From the same A-50U or satellite ... and maybe from both. And rather not the exact control center but the target area. When Zircon enters this area, he will slow down, get rid of the plasma and, with the help of his GOS, determine the exact location of the "door" on which he must knock culturally.
            Quote: ancient
            our surface carrier will be given the opportunity to reach the launch line by AUG

            And here is the question of the Zircon range, which is why I have said more than once that the range of anti-ship missiles should not be less than the radius of carrier-based aircraft, that is, at least 800 km. And I think that this value for Zircon is greater, something close to 1000 km.
            1. Alexey RA
              Alexey RA 9 October 2020 16: 26
              +2
              Quote: NEXUS
              And here is the question of the Zircon range, which is why I have said more than once that the range of anti-ship missiles should not be less than the radius of carrier-based aircraft, that is, at least 800 km.

              For the US AUG during the Cold War, one of the typical tasks was to strike at the enemy's KUG at a distance of 600 nautical miles.
              1. ancient
                ancient 9 October 2020 18: 18
                +1
                Quote: Alexey RA
                For the US AUG during the Cold War, one of the typical tasks was to strike at the enemy's KUG at a distance of 600 nautical miles.

                Yes sir, good all calculations were based on the fact that the exit of the aircraft carrier group, and possibly the connection to the range of use of carrier-based aircraft.
                Then the calculation was at the border of 1200 km.
                This was enough to work out on the strike groups of our aviation and surface forces. soldier
            2. ancient
              ancient 9 October 2020 18: 08
              0
              Quote: NEXUS
              From the same A-50U

              Look again at the flight characteristics of the A-50 ... its detection range is almost two times less ... the range of the launch itself wink
              Quote: NEXUS
              When Zircon enters the area, he will slow down, get rid of the plasma and, with the help of his GOS, determine the exact location of the "door" on which he should culturally knock.

              Well then, this area should be with the size .. "two bast shoes on the map .." wink and do not forget that the "rocket head" also has its own sectoral restrictions on target detection zones. wink
              Well, if it slows down, then yes ... the GOS is, in principle, any and in any way will be able to aim itself at the target ... but then the whole principle of "hypersonic mode" is lost and once and the required flow of missiles ... must be ... .. "big" bully ..ver ... by word soldier
          2. bar
            bar 9 October 2020 17: 52
            0
            we have "zircon"

            Only on what?

            Somewhere infa slipped that zircon can be launched from the same containers as calibers. If so, then they can be on anything
            1. ancient
              ancient 9 October 2020 18: 20
              +2
              Quote: bar
              that zircon can be launched from the same containers as the calibers. If so, they can be on anything

              The question is not that ... who, what and how will carry out the control system, when applied according to KUG or AUG, as well as ... guidance methods ... wink
      2. NDR-791
        NDR-791 9 October 2020 14: 09
        +2
        It would be very interesting not only for a target the size of an aircraft carrier, but also for the use of electronic warfare with this target. And also a "flock" of zircons and also with electronic warfare.
        1. Avior
          Avior 9 October 2020 14: 24
          +1
          If the seeker has not fundamentally changed, then when checked with the use of electronic warfare, the result will not change, even subsonic, even hypersonic.
          But it will probably be more difficult to shoot down.
        2. Lipchanin
          Lipchanin 9 October 2020 14: 59
          +1
          What kind of electronic warfare ????
          He flies in a plazmeny cloud
          Radio waves do not penetrate there
        3. ancient
          ancient 9 October 2020 15: 18
          0
          Quote: NDR-791
          but also the use of electronic warfare with this target. And also a "flock" of zircons and also with electronic warfare.

          And what can be the "impact of the REP" if it has a "head" of the type of ANN? ... There at least .. "zarebsya" ... time is up (or range) .... turn (dive) on the target wassat (what is the beauty of PSI) wassat ..the truth is the accuracy ... recourse
      3. askort154
        askort154 9 October 2020 14: 20
        +1
        Boris ⁣Razor ....Officially request from the USA the written off avik for experiments. They are just going to write off some of these mega-troughs.
        Aren't the Yankees themselves wondering what happens?


        And send them an invoice, with a 50% discount - for quick disposal. yes
    2. Aerodrome
      Aerodrome 9 October 2020 14: 07
      -13 qualifying.
      Quote: 1976AG
      Make a complete imitation of an aircraft carrier with a name on board and an imitation of the US flag and show it off.

      duck in ira
      did it ... and did it help? *
      1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
        Boris ⁣ Shaver 9 October 2020 14: 17
        +1
        Quote: Aerodrome
        duck in ira
        it was ... and it helped?

        In Iraq, the army did not help either. Do you propose to dissolve yours?
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      3. 1976AG
        1976AG 9 October 2020 17: 28
        0
        Quote: Aerodrome
        Quote: 1976AG
        Make a complete imitation of an aircraft carrier with a name on board and an imitation of the US flag and show it off.

        duck in ira
        did it ... and did it help? *

        And where did it help, did it not help? All the same, after all, we are doing launches on the target, so why not troll the amers?
    3. Incvizitor
      Incvizitor 9 October 2020 15: 51
      0
      And mannequins in diapers laughing
  • ender
    ender 9 October 2020 13: 45
    +8
    I wonder if they will borrow from Iran or build their own ..

    1. halpat
      halpat 9 October 2020 14: 08
      +2
      Quote: ender
      Russian "Zircon" will test the defeat of the aircraft carrier SSI "Zircon"

      Quote: ender
      I wonder if they will borrow from Iran or build their own ..


      no. you have to choose.
      11 from the United States, you can still British Queen Elizabeth, you can also Charles de Gaulle.
      Just to be on the move.
    2. NEXUS
      NEXUS 9 October 2020 14: 40
      +1
      Quote: ender
      I wonder if they will borrow from Iran or build their own ..

      They will take approximately the size of the most similar ship: a decommissioned tanker, gas carrier, or even a decommissioned brother of Peter the Great.
      1. tralflot1832
        tralflot1832 9 October 2020 15: 02
        -1
        On the Northern Fleet, only the former Kirov fits in size, but it is not a running one. hi
      2. Bashkirkhan
        Bashkirkhan 9 October 2020 19: 24
        0
        Quote: NEXUS
        even the decommissioned brother of Peter the Great.

        Sinking a cruiser with YSU as a target, well, you give it. There is so much radioactive shit there, and it will fonate even after disposal.
  • tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 9 October 2020 13: 47
    +5
    And what will the aircraft carrier represent, going 30 nodal speed! I'm certainly glad that we have Zircon confirmed by TTZ. It's just interesting! hi
    1. Svetlana
      Svetlana 9 October 2020 14: 00
      +3
      Quote: tralflot1832
      And what will the aircraft carrier represent, going 30 nodal speed! I'm certainly glad that we have Zircon confirmed by TTZ. It's just interesting! hi

      The target is)). For such speeds that the target is standing, what is moving, does not play a big role.
      1. tralflot1832
        tralflot1832 9 October 2020 14: 10
        -2
        I would like to hear from the Ministry of Defense, a boat imitating an aircraft carrier going 30 knots was successfully hit by Zircon at the maximum range of its use. I would provide my yacht in the place of some oligarch.
        there were buns ?! Therefore, I am not an oligarch. hi
        1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
          Boris ⁣ Shaver 9 October 2020 14: 24
          -4
          Quote: tralflot1832
          I would have provided my yacht in the place of some oligarch.
          buns were ?!

          What makes you think that the Navy is more important for the country than the yachts of the oligarchy? It would be more important, it would not be like this:
          https://topwar.ru/148420-20-jaht-rossijskih-milliarderov-prevoshodjat-po-stoimosti-voenno-morskoj-flot.html

          If more money is "spent" on yachts than on the entire Navy, then you can conclude what is more important for us, and no longer write "nonsense".

          Imagine: we have built 2 times more fleet (even more than 2 times, taking into account the reduction in the cost of production with an increase in the series) over the years, and the oligarchs do not have normal yachts at all. This is no gate!
          1. Lipchanin
            Lipchanin 9 October 2020 15: 05
            +1
            Quote: Boris ⁣Razor
            If more money is "spent" on yachts than for the entire Navy -

            Excuse me, does the MOE allocate money for yachts?
            1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
              Boris ⁣ Shaver 9 October 2020 15: 07
              -2
              Quote: Lipchanin
              Does the MOE allocate money?

              MO does not produce money at all. Their country's economy is producing. And then they are redistributed in a way that suits the "elite".
              1. Lipchanin
                Lipchanin 9 October 2020 15: 10
                -2
                Quote: Boris ⁣Razor
                And then they are redistributed in a way that suits the "elite".

                Okay. Does the country's budget include construction of yachts?
                1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
                  Boris ⁣ Shaver 9 October 2020 15: 13
                  0
                  Quote: Lipchanin
                  Does the country's budget include construction of yachts?

                  Do you think that the budget is our entire economy?
                  1. Lipchanin
                    Lipchanin 9 October 2020 15: 15
                    +1
                    Quote: Boris ⁣Razor
                    Do you think that the budget is our entire economy?

                    I believe that the Ministry of Defense receives money for the construction of the same ships from the budget.
                    This does not apply to the construction of yachts by private individuals.
                    1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
                      Boris ⁣ Shaver 9 October 2020 15: 20
                      -1
                      Quote: Lipchanin
                      I think <...> This does not apply to the construction of yachts by private individuals

                      Then what in general can you talk about? Post your humoresques and pictures for schoolchildren further. At your age - the very thing, probably.
                      And the reasoning on the redistribution of cash flows in the state - leave to uncles older.
                      1. Lipchanin
                        Lipchanin 9 October 2020 15: 24
                        0
                        Quote: Boris ⁣Razor
                        Post your humoresques and pictures for schoolchildren further.

                        And you come with bile that you will never have a yacht
                        At your age - the very thing, probably.

                        "My years, my wealth" G. Movsesyan
                2. ancient
                  ancient 9 October 2020 16: 23
                  +1
                  Quote: Lipchanin
                  Does the country's budget include construction of yachts?

                  This money just ... "does not reach the budget" wassat bully
            2. tralflot1832
              tralflot1832 9 October 2020 15: 18
              0
              As a humanitarian aid to the Navy, as a target. For free, that is, for free. You know how hard it is to sell a yacht that you don't like. wassat
        2. Horon
          Horon 9 October 2020 15: 26
          +1
          Offer your house as a target, then compensate with "buns"! Don't you already think that the rich have less sense of ownership than you? May still think what to write before showing a dull feeling of black envy! fool
          1. tralflot1832
            tralflot1832 9 October 2020 15: 39
            0
            Living in Sochi I can and joke. Here many count the number of ships of the Navy in yachts. And in general I have a day off and plus 26 on the street.
            1. Horon
              Horon 9 October 2020 16: 11
              +1
              Has Sochi become a military port? Or did the Sochi people start their tubs for the entertainment of the majors and the tourists, too, to consider the oligarchs' yachts?
              But seriously, the rich never recognize their activities as anti-social or anti-state, and they will not share with anyone. For their grandmother, they will undoubtedly destroy the state, and sell its inhabitants for organs, there are plenty of examples, take the same Khodorkovsky. And here you are so licking your lips at their property!
              1. tralflot1832
                tralflot1832 9 October 2020 17: 17
                0
                Sometimes, when the President, while in Sochi, uses the President's yacht, it becomes the most powerful ship in the world. wassat
                1. Horon
                  Horon 9 October 2020 18: 20
                  0
                  Is the president an oligarch?
                  1. tralflot1832
                    tralflot1832 9 October 2020 18: 37
                    -1
                    The status is due to my President.
                    1. Horon
                      Horon 9 October 2020 22: 27
                      -1
                      Quote: tralflot1832
                      The status is due to my President.

                      To be an oligarch?
                      1. tralflot1832
                        tralflot1832 9 October 2020 23: 44
                        -1
                        I live on the Black Sea coast of the Caucasus; although before that I lived and worked in places where it was summer one day a year and then I was at work. And according to your nickname, you carry the light across the river for a fee, which we put in the coffin to the end.
          2. ancient
            ancient 9 October 2020 16: 24
            +3
            Quote: Horon
            Don't you already think that the rich have less sense of ownership than you?

            You just can't be .. "frankly" rich in a country where ... 70% live .. "so-so" ... and the country has 40% of all world reserves of "national heritage" in the world.
            1. Horon
              Horon 9 October 2020 18: 18
              0
              Who will forbid them? And if they are banned, then we need to remember the stories with the fugitive oligarchs, the property only changed the name of the oligarch. And they need people only to serve them. This is how the oligarchs themselves look at these things, so those who will take their place will look at these things. There are no oligarchs in the West, there they have long since evolved into clans, but the attitude differs from ours only in that they have nowhere to run if something happens.
      2. Avior
        Avior 9 October 2020 14: 26
        +2
        But this statement is controversial.
        If diving from above, plays a role
    2. Interlocutor
      Interlocutor 9 October 2020 14: 11
      +1
      And what will the aircraft carrier represent, going 30 nodal speed! I'm certainly glad that we have Zircon confirmed by TTZ. It's just interesting! hi


      And we are from the stern ... smile
      1. tralflot1832
        tralflot1832 9 October 2020 14: 17
        +1
        Option like a skewer in meat! drinks
    3. NEXUS
      NEXUS 9 October 2020 15: 07
      +1
      Quote: tralflot1832
      And what an aircraft carrier going with 30 nodal speed will represent!

      The aircraft carrier has a maximum speed of more than 30 knots, but ... it never goes with such a speed as part of the AUG, because if you look at the structure of the AUG, then it has a bunch of support vessels that are physically unable to develop such speed. The nominal speed is 20 knots.
  • Galleon
    Galleon 9 October 2020 13: 49
    +8
    Interesting news. And "Zircon" is not easy, in an amicable way it is not simple and modern. Thanks to its creators and producers.
    1. Vladimir_6
      Vladimir_6 9 October 2020 15: 56
      0
      Quote: Galleon
      Interesting news. And "Zircon" is not easy, in an amicable way it is not simple and modern. Thanks to its creators and producers.

      The creators and producers are great!
      The last start-up was timed to coincide with the birthday of the Russian President.
      The next one would be good to spend on November 3, the day of the US presidential election.
  • Alien From
    Alien From 9 October 2020 13: 49
    +1
    I wonder what will be the target?
  • Tagan
    Tagan 9 October 2020 13: 50
    +3
    Quote: ender
    I wonder if they will borrow from Iran or build their own ..


    You can turn to your American comrades. They buzz that their aircraft carriers are unsinkable - then why be afraid?
    1. ender
      ender 9 October 2020 13: 53
      0
      and proofs are there?
      1. demon
        demon 9 October 2020 13: 57
        -4
        "Union Cartoon" in the sweat of their brow ... laughing
        1. ender
          ender 9 October 2020 14: 01
          +1
          Well, there is something, just, everything is simple. cross out "caliber" and write "zircon". everything else is the same ..
        2. tralflot1832
          tralflot1832 9 October 2020 14: 20
          +1
          The State Department does not think so. We say we are very closely monitoring the tests of Tsiocon.
    2. tralflot1832
      tralflot1832 9 October 2020 14: 01
      +2
      Iranian was on the barrels, but with an American one, an interesting idea, they won't give it that way! hi drinks
    3. Roman070280
      Roman070280 9 October 2020 14: 23
      -9
      We, too, are buzzing that the S-400 is shooting down anything ..
      But it is unlikely that Shoigu would agree to provide his house as a target for testing an amers' missile ..))
  • mvg
    mvg 9 October 2020 14: 00
    -3
    I want to remember the words of Lavrov when such news is quoted. Nothing to do at all?
  • Tagan
    Tagan 9 October 2020 14: 00
    +2
    Quote: ender
    and proofs are there?

    Unsinkable or agreeing to be a target?)))
    1. ender
      ender 9 October 2020 14: 05
      -6
      memory problems? nothing, I will remind you -
      They buzz that their aircraft carriers are unsinkable - then why be afraid?


      are there proofs?
      1. Voyager
        Voyager 9 October 2020 14: 15
        +2
        https://inosmi.ru/military/20170928/240383634.html
  • Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 9 October 2020 14: 00
    -6
    Note that this week a successful test of the Zircon hypersonic anti-ship missile was carried out with the defeat of a sea target in the Barents Sea at a distance in 450 km. According to the data provided by the General Staff of the RF Armed Forces, "Zircon" developed maximum speed of about 8 Mach numbers. The maximum flight altitude of the rocket was 28 km. From the moment of launch to hitting the target passed 4,5 minutes.


    Task: determine the speed of the rocket ...
    1. NDR-791
      NDR-791 9 October 2020 14: 13
      +3
      Gyyy))) laughing maximum speed of about 8 Mach numbers
      Is the problem solved?
      1. yehat2
        yehat2 9 October 2020 14: 42
        -1
        the swing number depends on the height. Therefore, the speed of the rocket from the flight profile can differ several times.
        1. Voyager
          Voyager 9 October 2020 18: 15
          0
          Well, not at times.
          1. yehat2
            yehat2 10 October 2020 05: 50
            +1
            Quote: Voyager
            Well, not at times.

            the difference between the minimum altitude and 20 km may already be more than 1.5 times
            there is already an account at times, in my opinion, especially when you consider what they say here about heights of 40 km
            1. Voyager
              Voyager 10 October 2020 15: 19
              0
              Here keywords can be and these parameters are influenced by many factors. However, if we consider the average hospital conditions of temperature, pressure, humidity, then we will get something like this.
    2. tralflot1832
      tralflot1832 9 October 2020 14: 13
      +1
      Average 1,6 km sec. And at the end as stated.
    3. The comment was deleted.
    4. Horon
      Horon 9 October 2020 15: 08
      0
      It's like the average temperature in a hospital.
  • maktub
    maktub 9 October 2020 14: 18
    -4
    So, "Kuznetsov" will not be repaired, since they will work on an aircraft carrier?
    1. nod739
      nod739 9 October 2020 14: 27
      +3
      And Kuznetsov is not an aircraft carrier, but an aircraft-carrying cruiser ..
      So no luck someone else)
      1. maktub
        maktub 9 October 2020 14: 31
        -7
        So "heavy" aircraft carrier is a question of terminology
    2. Nastia makarova
      Nastia makarova 9 October 2020 14: 31
      0
      the target will be your empty head))))
  • Alexey-74
    Alexey-74 9 October 2020 14: 18
    +2
    I would put a vessel (barge) - an imitation of an aircraft carrier and live on air for 500-700 kilometers along it and see the reaction of the Yankees ...
    1. tralflot1832
      tralflot1832 9 October 2020 14: 30
      +3
      The most important thing is that there are more explosives in the barge. Advertising is the engine of progress. Otherwise, our tank in the javelin advertisement explodes before it hits.
    2. Marconi41
      Marconi41 9 October 2020 15: 26
      0
      Quote: Alexey-74
      live on it for 500-700 kilometers and see the reaction of the Yankees ..

      Our MO hides the configuration of Zircon, and therefore it will not be shown live for a long time.
    3. Polite Moose
      Polite Moose 9 October 2020 15: 48
      +3
      Quote: Alexey-74
      I would put a vessel (barge) - an imitation of an aircraft carrier and live on air for 500-700 kilometers along it and watch

      I would love to see the result of hitting an inert warhead on 8M. On the transfer of energy from one type to another. Presumably at such speeds, explosives in BG are not particularly needed.
  • nod739
    nod739 9 October 2020 14: 26
    +2
    It would be nice on the current one)
  • Tagan
    Tagan 9 October 2020 14: 35
    +1
    Quote: ender
    memory problems? nothing, I will remind you -
    They buzz that their aircraft carriers are unsinkable - then why be afraid?


    are there proofs?


    It's more likely that some people have problems with the rules of good form.
    Why are you so excited? For example, read the laudatory odes about the aircraft carrier Gerald R. Ford.
    1. ender
      ender 9 October 2020 14: 43
      0
      yeah, I'm just wondering who could say that .. that's all

      By the way, earlier, by the rules of good manners, it was prescribed to be responsible for your words, but now, apparently - on the contrary ..
  • yehat2
    yehat2 9 October 2020 14: 38
    -4
    it would be better if they were tested not to defeat an aircraft carrier, but to be based on 20 ships
    and then you can remember about the aircraft carrier. Less pathos and advertising, more business.
  • maktub
    maktub 9 October 2020 14: 42
    -12 qualifying.
    So the head is empty, why from the "cannon on the sparrows". wassat
    And "Kuznetsov" is like a suitcase without a handle, as well as double use - they will test a rocket and get rid of illiquid assets laughing
  • Tagan
    Tagan 9 October 2020 14: 56
    +1
    Quote: ender
    yeah, I'm just wondering who could say that .. that's all

    By the way, earlier, by the rules of good manners, it was prescribed to be responsible for your words, but now, apparently - on the contrary ..

    So I answered. They consider speed as one of the elements of invulnerability. Do not believe me, look. Or is a link required on every comment?
  • Xenofont
    Xenofont 9 October 2020 16: 08
    0
    If Zircon has an AGSN, then the flight program consists of the stage of acceleration and reaching the cruising hypersound at high altitude, and after reaching the area of ​​the moving target, braking is carried out until it leaves the plasma cloud, the AGSN thermal protective fairing is dropped and the target is searched at a speed of, conventionally, 5M , followed by an attack. All this is purely speculative. Well, or a project has been implemented to move the antenna out of the plasma cocoon.
  • Vladimir61
    Vladimir61 9 October 2020 16: 37
    0
    This was reported by TASS with reference to two sources in the Russian defense industry.
    My neighbor, referring to ten sources in the city market, said that in the near future they will start making vodka from gas!
    There is no official confirmation of this information.
    1. Voyager
      Voyager 9 October 2020 18: 19
      0
      Sarcasm didn't work out very well laughing because the neighbor was right

      In the USA, they learned to make vodka from carbon dioxide and water
      https://www.gazeta.ru/science/news/2019/11/09/n_13675622.shtml
      1. Vladimir61
        Vladimir61 10 October 2020 08: 28
        0
        Quote: Voyager
        Sarcasm was not very successful because the neighbor was right
        In the USA, they learned to make vodka from carbon dioxide and water
        You know better from the USA ?! And we live in Mother Russia.
        1. Voyager
          Voyager 10 October 2020 15: 20
          0
          Did I say somewhere that I live in the USA? You are writing nonsense for the second comment in a row.
  • zwlad
    zwlad 9 October 2020 16: 41
    -4
    Have you decided to dispose of Kuzya like that?
  • Alexander X
    Alexander X 9 October 2020 17: 56
    +1
    Successful tests of the Zircons on purpose will significantly cool the ardor of the "hegemon" to teach us how to live.
  • Old26
    Old26 9 October 2020 21: 07
    +4
    Quote: credo
    Yes, 100 km per minute is cool, and if it is only half a force or a quarter of a force from the declared speed, then it is simply enchanting.

    Dear, we didn’t just try to calculate how much it will be if the current speed of 2600 m / s (i.e. 8M) is multiplied by four (as you write, a quarter of the force). Nearly SECOND SPACE IN THE ATMOSPHERE - it's cool to come up with such a thing ...

    Quote: Popuas
    The maximum speed is written about 8 Mach numbers! Although during the period when the "cartoons" were released, I don't remember exactly who, in my opinion Gerasimov was broadcasting that the speed of zircon would go beyond Mach 20 ... request

    It was about "Vanguard", not about "Zircon"

    Quote: hrych
    There is no time to go from capturing a target to diving at it. The speed is monstrous and at full speed the aircraft carrier, at a speed of 30 knots, can travel 150 meters in 10 seconds. And Nimitz is as long as 330. The floor of the case. The capture of the target by the head of the seeker is usually from 20-50 km. 27 km Zircon flies in 10 seconds. So consider the chances to leave. For Zircon, the full speed of the ship is a stationary target.

    Do you expect that the target in the dense layers of the atmosphere "Zircon" will have a speed of 8M ?? And what of "Zircon" will remain at almost solar temperature on its surface ??

    Quote: ancient
    4-5 M..yes ... higher ... "call"

    Most likely 3-4M

    Quote: NEXUS
    Written, AVERAGE SPEED Mach 8! Either you read diagonally or just in the morning you decided to throw dermisch on the fan.
    The launch range of Zircon was announced at 450 km ... the speed after 450 km will certainly increase

    2 or 3 hours after the Gerasimov-Putin story, there was a message on some news channel. Something like presentation slides from MO. The speed of the Zircon was announced there - 2,6 km / s.
    And why should it increase, do not tell me, Andrey? Is the multi-mode rewinder worth it? so there is no such thing in the world. In the test, after 450 km, or rather after 380 kilometers from the launch point, the speed began to fall, reached supersonic, and when the seeker was operating, the target was hit

    Quote: hrych
    100 km per minute (which is already fantastic) is the average speed. And the maximum, apparently when diving on the target, reached 8 swings. After all, the rocket does not immediately start from Mach 8, but accelerates from zero, picks up speed, first goes into supersonic, rises into the stratosphere, reaches hypersound and dives towards the target, reaching its maximum. Therefore, from 0 to 8 machs, a non-uniform speed and an average of 100 km / min.

    Everything just counts. The average speed is really 1,6 km / s. Maximum - 2,6 km / s. The maximum was reached on a horizontal marching section at an altitude of 28 km. According to estimates, this section was about 320 km. At the end of this section, the target was captured by ARLGSN. At the same time, the speed was 2,6M or 8M. Then "Zircon" began to descend, while losing speed, braking intensively up to about 3-4M speed. At this speed, there is no plasma around it and the GOS continues to work.
    By the way, according to all norms, GOSTs, etc., the speed is usually considered either in m / s, or in km / s, or in km / h. To count the speed in km / minute - sorry, some kind of perversion

    Quote: NEXUS
    You have suggested only one of the possible flight algorithms ... what if Zircon behaves like Onyx, dropping 10 meters to the water surface and reaching the target on the final leg of the flight?

    The temperature on the surface of the hull at a speed of 10M at an altitude of 0 to 11 km is 5763 ° K (slightly less in Celsius). What will reach the aircraft carrier at an altitude of 10m? Coals? Damn, well, at least remember physics, the dependence of temperature on speed at such an altitude and other simple data. Why think that the rocket will go at a speed of 8M (and some attribute it to 10M) and at an altitude of 10m.

    Quote: Vladimir_6
    It's like with "Calibers". The fact that the range is NOT 300 km. learned after the launch on the barmaley in Syria from the Caspian Sea. And then for some time they figured out whether it was a fake.

    They knew about it 2 years before from a speech after the exercises of the commander of the Caspian Flotilla. Only some attentively read his interview, the second thought that he would not say anything new, except for the usual phrases. And he said that a naval target was hit at a distance of 375 km, and a ground target at a range at a distance of more than 1000 km. He was also asked a question, so can we hit the target in the Persian Gulf if we want? To which he replied. Not in the Gulf, but yes in the Gulf countries.
    So, as the ancients said, "Those who have ears, let him hear"

    Quote: ancient
    And about .. "a flock of" Zircons ".... smiled

    It's just that the "flock" has switched from "Granites" to "Zircon" now. True, for some reason no one counted for the Granites the distance between the rocket-leader and the whole flock. But there at least it was possible to launch the product along a low and high-altitude trajectory, but Zircon cannot be launched along NT

    Quote: NEXUS
    And I have a thick question about target detection by AUG radars, which flies at a speed of 8-10 mach and it is not yet known at what altitude.

    I don't remember which modification of the Aegis radar has a detection range of 700 km. As soon as the Zircon rises above the radio horizon for this range, it will be immediately detected. And the speed does not matter here

    Quote: Ash Poseidon
    There is nothing to fend off the threat. The West literally said: "We won't even have time to get scared now."

    That's for sure. There is nothing. It is true enough to upgrade the "Standard" SM-3 Block2A, removing the kinetic interceptor from it and replacing it with a heavy high-explosive fragmentation part. TTX will fall. The range will no longer be 2500 km and the altitude reach will not be 1500 km. And the speed can drop from 14M to 10-12 ... And of course there is nothing ...

    Quote: bar
    Arrange joint exercises with striped ones. They have an aircraft carrier with a bunch of missile defense systems, we have a "zircon". And see if they get caught. If not caught, you can run the second. laughing

    And if they get caught, how will we look with the next "no analogue in the world" ??? laughing

    Quote: tralflot1832
    Average 1,6 km sec. And at the end as stated.

    Average - 1,6 km / s, taking into account the increase in speed during climb and taking into account the decrease in speed when "diving". Maximum speed 2,6M on the "average", cruising section of flight at an altitude of 28 km

    Quote: Polite Elk
    I would love to see the result of hitting an inert warhead on 8M. On the transfer of energy from one type to another. Presumably at such speeds, explosives in BG are not particularly needed.

    It's easy to calculate. 1 kg of TNT is 4,19 x 10 ^ 6 J.
    A collision of 300 kg of inert blank will give 2028x10 ^ 6 J or 484 kg in TNT equivalent. The impact of 400 kg of a blank will give 2704 x 10 ^ 6 J or 650 kg in TNT equivalent. 500 kg of blanks - 3380 x 10 ^ 6 J - or 800 kg in TNT equivalent
    1. NEXUS
      NEXUS 10 October 2020 06: 18
      +1
      Quote: Old26
      And why should it increase, do not tell me, Andrey?

      I gave an example of an anti-ship missile flight algorithm similar to the Onyx flight algorithm.
      Quote: Old26
      Is the multi-mode rewinder worth it?

      And by the way, do not enlighten me what kind of dvigun is there?
      Quote: Old26
      In the test, after 450 km, or rather after 380 kilometers from the launch point, the speed began to fall, reached supersonic, and when the seeker was operating, the target was hit

      What I was talking about here ... that is, in the final section, most likely Zircon extinguishes the speed, up to 4 swings, dropping the plasma cocoon, and then the seeker turns on to search for the target. But how the speed is damped is also an interesting question.
      Quote: Old26
      What will reach the aircraft carrier at an altitude of 10m?

      Reading diagonally? I said, it slows down, and decreases at the final section to 10 meters. At the same time, it knocks down the plasma.
      And by the way, do not enlighten the dark, what heat-resistant materials are used in Zircon?
  • Petrograd
    Petrograd 9 October 2020 21: 57
    0
    Oh, mattress on guano, and if by chance something happens, their aircraft carriers are broken, we are anathema and the accusations for a hundred years will be well, and let them scratch the place where they got this guano from
  • tolmachiev51
    tolmachiev51 10 October 2020 04: 35
    0
    We are waiting for sanctions from fascington !!! Look what the Khan of American "power" is thinking.
  • Vladimir1155
    Vladimir1155 10 October 2020 08: 56
    -1
    here it is another proof that aircraft carriers are vulnerable, suitable only for aggression against weak countries, against women and children, Russia does not need them.
  • Old26
    Old26 10 October 2020 15: 48
    +4
    [quote = NEXUS] I gave an example of an anti-ship missile flight algorithm similar to the Onyx flight algorithm.
    No, Andrey! You didn't bring anything. Moreover, this is your answer to my answer to your remark that

    Quote: NEXUS
    Written, AVERAGE SPEED Mach 8! Either you read diagonally or just in the morning you decided to throw dermisch on the fan.
    The Zircon launch range was announced at 450 km ...speed after 450 km probably increases


    So I asked the question, how should it increase? Your answer is below, although it cannot be called an answer to the question asked: from what speed should increase after 450 km?

    Also. Why is your average speed suddenly 8M. It was stated that the Zircon's maximum speed was 2600 m / s. 2600 m / s at an altitude of 28 km is 8,66M.
    Its average speed is obtained as a result of calculations that have already been done 50 times by different comrades in articles about "Zircon". Namely: the range of 450 km was divided by the time of passage of this section of 4,5 minutes or 270 seconds and the speed of 1666 m / s was obtained. At an altitude of 28 km, it is 5,5M. The average speed of the "Zircon" in this test was 5,5M. So I will repeat the question for you, Andrey. How should it increase after 450 km

    Next, you refer to the Onyx's flight algorithm.
    The maximum flight speed of "Onyx" at low altitude (about 200-400 meters), so-called. profile LO-LO-LO is equal to 2M or 680 m / s (2448 km / h)
    The maximum speed of the "Onyx" flight along the mixed profile - start - flight at marching altitude - descent to a low altitude after the target is captured by the seeker, according to the so-called. the LO-HI-LO profile is 2,5M or 737 m / s (2653 km / h)
    After the target is locked with the ARGS-55 radar seeker, the onyx is reduced to a height of 10-15 meters at a distance of about 75 km from the target ship. But unfortunately, at this height, he walks at a speed of 2M. He does not increase it, but decreases it ...

    [quote = NEXUS] And by the way, do not enlighten me what kind of dvigun is there? [/ quote]
    Hypersonic ramjet engine. And for sure single-mode. And my question is related to the fact that it flies at a speed of 5,5M, then at a speed of 8,7M

    [quote = NEXUS] What I was talking about here ... that is, in the final section, most likely Zircon extinguishes the speed, up to 4 swings, dropping the plasma cocoon, and then the seeker turns on to search for the target. But how the speed is damped is also an interesting question. [/ quote]
    Perhaps up to 4M, and possibly up to a lower speed. The speed is extinguished only in the only available way. The main propulsion engine is turned off and is braked by the hull in the atmosphere. After reaching a speed lower than the speed at which plasma formation begins in the dense layers of the atmosphere, the flight is corrected using correction (shunting) engines and the aerodynamic quality of the rocket itself. Since the size of this zone is rather small (due to the characteristics of ARGS), IMHO shunting engines are sufficient.

    [quote = NEXUS] Reading diagonally? I said, it slows down, and decreases at the final section to 10 meters. At the same time, it knocks down the plasma. And by the way, do not enlighten the dark, what heat-resistant materials are used in Zircon? [/ quote]
    No, Andrey, not diagonally. This is the answer to your lines. In particular, the first is your answer to comrade hrych
    His reply was as follows

    Quote: hrych
    and dives to the target, reaching the maximum.

    You have suggested only one of the possible flight algorithms ...
    What if Zircon behaves like Onyx, dropping 10 meters to the water surface and reaching the target on the final leg of the flight?

    It is about the fact in his remark that the rocket dives towards the target while accelerating. You, Andrey, suggested another flight algorithm, similar to Zircon. But the bastard was mainly talking about increasing the speed of the rocket in this line. You immediately suggest a "horizontal" attack. How else can you understand your line.? The flight of "Zircon" at a height of 10 meters can be provided exclusively with a cruising engine. But here's the inconvenience. The hypersonic ramjet begins to operate at speeds of about 4,9M. That is, practically on hypersound. And in order for the rocket to be still controllable and, God forbid, would not fall at its peak (after all, it is 10 meters to the water), it must have the speed at which the aerodynamic rudders will work. So, at this height, it just burns ...
    I don’t know what materials. But from the existing alloys, there are hardly any that can withstand heating of several thousand degrees.

    Further, your dialogue with Alexander Timokhin
    Yes, it's not a question for a long time already, after climbing on a booster, it accelerates, and this has been known even to people not involved in the project for many years.

    I'll just give you an example of Onyx ... he picks up his maximum speed of Mach 2,5, when he has already descended and reached the target ... that is, in the final section.
    Why can't Zircon do the same?
    As an example, it gains altitude, flies at a speed of, say, Mach 8, then drops the plasma cocoon, slowing down and activating the GOS for seconds, captures the target and then accelerates to a maximum of 10-12 Machs. What will the ship have time to do to get away from such a missile, or rather from several very smart and fast missiles?


    Basically the same mistakes and I beg your pardon, your ideas
    Again "Onyx". It picks up a speed of 2,5M on a high-altitude trajectory, at an altitude of 14 km, and when it drops to 10-15 meters, it flies at a maximum speed of 2M. The same is true in your view of Zircon. What speeds in 10-12M are we talking about when the speed is 2600m / s or 8,7M? What plasma cocoon does it have at an altitude of 30 km? Are you sure what you wrote? The cocoon will appear at such a speed of flight in the dense layers of the atmosphere (in the troposphere) and in the lower layers of the stratosphere