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Ukrainian Navy will receive British boats: Kiev and London signed a preliminary agreement

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Ukrainian Navy will receive British boats: Kiev and London signed a preliminary agreement

The Ukrainian Navy will still receive British missile boats for service. According to Ukrainian media, Kiev and London signed a memorandum providing for the "re-equipment of the Ukrainian fleet".


According to publications, the signing of the preliminary document took place during an official visit to London by Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky. On the Ukrainian side, the memorandum was signed by Defense Minister Andriy Taran, on the British side - by Ben Wallace, Secretary of State for Defense of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

The full details of the document are not given, it is known that it provides for cooperation between Ukraine and the UK in the defense sector, including the attraction of financing for the needs of the Navy by the British Export Credits Guarantee Department (ECGD). The amount allocated by London is £ 1,25 billion ($ 1,6 billion) and is issued for a period of 10 years.

Under this loan, eight boats will be built according to the British project, as well as the port infrastructure for basing these boats in Ochakov.

Nothing has been reported about the boat project yet, but Kiev has already indicated its wishes. According to them, the boats should have a length of 50 meters, a displacement of 400 tons, a full speed of 35 to 50 knots. The main armament is called the anti-ship missiles of foreign or Ukrainian production "Neptune". Each boat must carry eight anti-ship missiles.

The construction of boats will be carried out first in Britain and then in Ukraine. The first two boats will be built by British shipbuilders, the remaining six by Ukrainian ones. As for the Ukrainian enterprise, which will be engaged in construction, the information is different. Some sources say that it has not yet been determined, some call the Nikolaev shipbuilding and shiprepairing plant "Nibulon" (until 2012 - Shipyard "Liman").

When the construction of these boats will begin and how long it will take is not yet known.
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  1. Insurgent
    Insurgent 9 October 2020 13: 19
    -1
    Ukrainian Navy will receive British boats: Kiev and London signed a preliminary agreement

    The surface fleet Britain will build, and submarine forces The outskirts themselves are able to revive ...

    1. Vladimir Mashkov
      Vladimir Mashkov 9 October 2020 15: 13
      +1
      "No money, but we'll borrow and build boats!" The barn is on fire, burn and the hut !!! laughing
  2. g1v2
    g1v2 9 October 2020 13: 21
    +5
    Well, we need to increase the number of MRCs at the Black Sea Fleet and order a batch of 2038x corvettes. Of course ukrovmf will not become dangerous for us anyway, but they will be able to shit. In which case, they will need to be quickly removed from the game.
    1. Orkraider
      Orkraider 9 October 2020 21: 49
      0
      Quote: g1v2
      Well, we need to increase the number of MRCs at the Black Sea Fleet and order a batch of 2038x corvettes. Of course ukrovmf will not become dangerous for us anyway, but they will be able to shit. In which case, they will need to be quickly removed from the game.

      Welcome.
      In this particular case, it is better to use aviation, these RCs have short-range air defense systems, up to 10 km (sort of). And in general, it's high time to spoil the SU-34 wink
      But also corvettes 20380 should not be abandoned, we must take)))))
      1. g1v2
        g1v2 9 October 2020 22: 05
        0
        In naval aviation, we are now switching to su30 cm and they can, of course, destroy these boats. But ukroreyha still has air defense and they can cover Ochakov. PM losses are possible. Of course, to break through his business of technology, but the MRK can destroy these boats practically from Sevastopol without risking. Plus, they can constantly patrol the water area west of Crimea and prevent boats from actively moving. Well, our corvettes have serious air defense, so they can repel a missile attack from these boats. request In general, a bunch of mrk-corvettes 2038x will reliably close this danger.
  3. Tagan
    Tagan 9 October 2020 13: 21
    +6
    "The first two boats will be built by British shipbuilders, the remaining six by Ukrainian"
    "The main weapons are anti-ship missiles of foreign or Ukrainian production" Neptune "
    It seems to me that the other six may turn into Flying Dutchmen. About "Neptune" is also interesting. No matter how they killed themselves.
  4. kristofer
    kristofer 9 October 2020 13: 22
    +4
    And all on credit. What fellows
    1. Insurgent
      Insurgent 9 October 2020 13: 29
      +3
      Quote: kristofer
      And all on credit. What fellows

      yes Slavery Slaves are thrilled with the yoke for life.
      1. credo
        credo 9 October 2020 13: 37
        0
        Quote: Insurgent
        Quote: kristofer
        And all on credit. What fellows

        yes Slavery Slaves are thrilled with the yoke for life.

        The main thing is that this yoke is from the right country, and Great Britain is exactly that in Ukrainian terminology.
        1. Insurgent
          Insurgent 9 October 2020 13: 40
          +1
          Quote: credo
          The main thing is that this yoke is from the right country, and Great Britain is exactly that in Ukrainian terminology.

          And Britain will be pleased to remember at least a little about the colonial past ...
          1. Whirlwind
            Whirlwind 9 October 2020 16: 11
            -1
            And Britain will be pleased to remember at least a little about the colonial past ...

            Here I disagree with you. There, the crowned granny holds the Commonwealth 54 in her fist! nations ..., so to speak, "former" of its colonies and the United States on a short leash ...
            1. Insurgent
              Insurgent 9 October 2020 16: 17
              +1
              Quote: Whirlwind
              Crowned Granny Holding Fist Of The Commonwealth 54! nations ..., so to speak, "former" of its colonies and the United States on a short leash ...

              Obviously, you do not know how the results of WWII turned out for Britain, how much the geopolitical picture of the world has changed, and what a whole series of national liberation wars and uprisings in her and other former colonies led to ...
              1. Whirlwind
                Whirlwind 9 October 2020 19: 54
                +1
                It is possible that I do not know, but do you know what neo-colonialism is ..?
        2. PSih2097
          PSih2097 9 October 2020 15: 22
          +2
          Quote: credo
          and Great Britain is exactly that, according to Ukrainian terminology.

          so GB left the EU ... how is it ... laughing
          1. kristofer
            kristofer 9 October 2020 15: 59
            +2
            In what language did this cry of the soul escaped? :)
            1. PSih2097
              PSih2097 9 October 2020 16: 00
              -1
              Quote: kristofer
              In what language did this cry of the soul escaped? :)

              well, so - on the sovereign move ... wassat
            2. Insurgent
              Insurgent 10 October 2020 07: 39
              +2
              Quote: kristofer
              In what language did this cry of the soul escaped? :)

              On surzhik ...
      2. Vadim_888
        Vadim_888 9 October 2020 15: 51
        -4
        ... yes Slavery Slaves are thrilled with a lifelong yoke.

        They decided to feed their army once they do not take NATO to NATO and so as not to feed the army of the Russian Federation, and since their pennies are not good, it means they are in debt for now ...
        1. Insurgent
          Insurgent 9 October 2020 16: 04
          +3
          Quote: Vadim_888
          They decided to feed their army once they don’t take NATO yet and so as not to feed the Russian army, and since they don’t have a penny, it means in debt bye....

          In debt, bye under the burden of debt obligations, the outskirts will not collapse completely ...
          1. Cananecat
            Cananecat 9 October 2020 17: 11
            0
            They will not let them collapse while they are needed. And the West will need them for a long time.
          2. Deck
            Deck 9 October 2020 17: 39
            0
            Better to live on credit than handouts like you laughing
            1. Insurgent
              Insurgent 10 October 2020 07: 18
              -1
              Quote: Deck
              Better to live on credit than handouts like you

              At first, not handouts, but fraternal assistance of the people of Russia in an extremely difficult period caused by the aggression of the Bandera under-state, and Secondly, the time will come, and in one way or another we will become a completely independent region in terms of self-sufficiency.

              But your Outskirts ... For thirty years (!!!) of the so-called "Independence" has never been able to prove its viability as an independent state.

              For the Outskirts - only gloomy forecasts ... \ Be prepared, "pioneer" yes .
              1. Deck
                Deck 10 October 2020 07: 57
                0
                and in one way or another we will become a completely independent region in terms of self-sufficiency.

                To do this, you need to change the entire population laughing

                fraternal help of the people of Russia

                But they did not try to work. At least to show Ukraine how great you are. Not?
                It's easier to sit here (since there is a lot of free time - not to work) and explain to the Russians how to live, no matter what they do, they regularly pay taxes that will go to the maintenance of the DPR, Abkhazia, Ossetia and other places with a hardworking population.
                1. Insurgent
                  Insurgent 10 October 2020 08: 11
                  -2
                  Quote: Deck
                  To do this, you need to change the entire population

                  And we are changing, systematically becoming citizens of the Russian Federation.

                  Quote: Deck
                  But they did not try to work.


                  Since there is no question mark, I regard this as your statement that the Outskirts are not working.

                  "Rabbits" Danilets and Moiseenko long ago showed the priorities of the Outskirts, different from worker of Donbass.

                  1. Deck
                    Deck 10 October 2020 08: 16
                    +1
                    And we are changing, systematically becoming citizens of the Russian Federation


                    Lazy at home, now you will do it here. We will not work for anything! is your motto. We will bang on the keys and scold both Ukraine and Russia.
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    2. orionvitt
      orionvitt 9 October 2020 14: 35
      +1
      But the prospects are tempting. The number of units of what they call the fleet will finally equal the number of admirals of the Ukrainian Navy.
    3. forester1971
      forester1971 9 October 2020 22: 44
      -2
      They (Ukrainians), for some reason, think that a loan is a gift and there is no need to give it back.
      Look at them: so much joy - they gave a loan. It seems that they have mixed up reality and TV commercials.
      1. ZEMCH
        ZEMCH 10 October 2020 13: 38
        +1
        Quote: Forester1971
        They (Ukrainians), for some reason, think that a loan is a gift and there is no need to give it back.
        Look at them: so much joy - they gave a loan. It seems that they have mixed up reality and TV commercials.

        So to give to another government, if the government resigned with joint responsibility for the obligations taken, then they thought. And so ... they will pay in kind
  5. Yaro Polk
    Yaro Polk 9 October 2020 13: 24
    +9
    I remember how they got them in some kind of armored jeeps when the ATO was, they could not even enter the hill on their own empty)
  6. Andylw
    Andylw 9 October 2020 13: 36
    -5
    Very, very dangerous news for the Russian Black Sea Fleet.
    8 speed boats with 8 anti-ship missiles (exoset or harpoon) each is a serious force.
    Their combined missile salvo will be comparable to that of the entire Russian Black Sea Fleet ...
    Plus a good air defense missile system for self-defense, cannon equipment ...
    Since the construction and construction management (in fact, SKD) will be shaved, the boats will be received in the shortest possible time!
    and even in installments

    All this is very dangerous!
    these are not tinned rims with guns
    this is already serious
    1. Insurgent
      Insurgent 9 October 2020 13: 44
      +5
      Quote: AndyLW
      Their combined missile salvo will be comparable to that of the entire Russian Black Sea Fleet ...

      "Wide knowledge" yes .
      1. Andylw
        Andylw 9 October 2020 13: 46
        -12 qualifying.
        Exactly!
      2. Cananecat
        Cananecat 9 October 2020 17: 15
        +2
        Skakal learned a new word and puts it wherever he is. There was another one like this with a "cumulative salvo". It seems to me they have one teacher there. ))
    2. Nastia makarova
      Nastia makarova 9 October 2020 14: 35
      -5
      yeah 8 pelvis compared with the Black Sea Fleet)))) are talking nonsense
      1. Andylw
        Andylw 9 October 2020 14: 50
        -4
        Well, take a calculator and count the missiles and carriers at the Russian Black Sea Fleet ...
        reality will greatly surprise and upset you ...)))
        1. Nastia makarova
          Nastia makarova 9 October 2020 15: 41
          -3
          count yourself and tell everyone
          1. Andylw
            Andylw 9 October 2020 15: 51
            -4
            So I said. See above
        2. CSKA
          CSKA 9 October 2020 16: 33
          +7
          Quote: AndyLW
          Well, take a calculator and count the missiles and carriers at the Russian Black Sea Fleet ...

          You really would have taken the calculator and calculated it yourself. And for one more thing, they would have turned on the mind and remembered about the diesel-electric submarines of the Russian Black Sea Fleet, against which these boats have nothing. And then we also read the performance characteristics of our anti-ship missiles. And maybe they would finally remember about the Navy Air Force.
          Nobody says that we should not underestimate the enemy, but we should not be afraid either, and even more so to talk nonsense about the number of missiles.
          1. Andylw
            Andylw 9 October 2020 18: 06
            -5
            And for one more thing, they would have turned on the mindset and remembered about the diesel-electric submarines of the Black Sea Fleet, against which these boats have nothing.

            And religion does not allow you to look at Google?
            On these boats 2 TA
            And the means of laying minefields
            1. CSKA
              CSKA 10 October 2020 11: 11
              0
              Quote: AndyLW
              And religion does not allow you to look at Google?

              Your brains do not allow you to understand that the Varshavyanka diesel-electric submarine is firing a Caliber anti-ship missile with a range of 500 km, which to the devil TA, they will not help them. Look at the map kid. They will only leave the port, we can already strike an anti-ship missile.
              1. Andylw
                Andylw 10 October 2020 15: 02
                0
                oh, how! with boats of the Russian Black Sea Fleet can only cope with calibers!))))
                but alas, dear friend ...
                on boats on these air defense systems there is a RAM called ...
                have you heard? )))
                but don't worry too much)))
    3. CSKA
      CSKA 9 October 2020 16: 29
      +5
      Quote: AndyLW
      Their combined missile salvo will be comparable to the missile salvo of the entire Russian Black Sea Fleet

      You at least understand the technical characteristics of the Russian Black Sea Fleet before writing this nonsense.
      1. Andylw
        Andylw 9 October 2020 18: 04
        -1
        Understood.
        And this is not nonsense, but an inconvenient truth for urapatriots
        1. Nastia makarova
          Nastia makarova 10 October 2020 05: 59
          -4
          yes, yes, you Ukrainians can win everyone)))) dream further))))) pumped your country
          1. PartizaN
            PartizaN 10 October 2020 06: 17
            0
            Quote: Nastia Makarova
            yes, yes, you Ukrainians can win everyone)))) dream further))))) pumped your country

            And now they teach us how to break up quickly, so that it would not be offensive ..)))
        2. CSKA
          CSKA 10 October 2020 10: 24
          +1
          Quote: AndyLW
          Understood.
          And this is not nonsense, but an inconvenient truth for urapatriots

          No, you haven't figured it out and that's nonsense. Especially for such a chatterbox as you write. Did you teach math at school? Then count it. There will be 8 Ukrop boats with 8 anti-ship missiles on each, which makes 64 anti-ship missiles.
          Now, in our fleet, and I only take the fleet, I do not consider PBK Bastion, the Navy Air Force, PBK Bal.
          Cruiser Moscow - 16
          SK Burevestniki 2 pcs - 8
          Frigates Petrel 3 pcs - 24
          Diesel-electric submarine Varshavyanka 6 pcs - 24
          MRK Sivuch 2 pcs - 16
          MRK Ovod - 6
          MRK Buyan-M 3 pcs - 24
          RK Lightning - 3 pcs - 12
          PKP Vasily Bykov 2 pcs - 16
          Now count it if you can. Let me help, otherwise you will be piled high with math and a bad head.
          It turns out 146 anti-ship missiles. So you're a liar, will you continue to tell me that you figured out something there? And then you will write this nonsense:
          Quote: AndyLW
          Their combined missile salvo will be comparable to the missile salvo of the entire Russian Black Sea Fleet.

          I will repeat it once again that you cannot even understand with your own head that the Russian Black Sea Fleet also includes the Navy Air Force, and the PBRK Bastion and Bal, and the BRK Utes.
          1. Andylw
            Andylw 10 October 2020 12: 50
            +2
            Well, handsome, che ... I dug up all the Soviet trash from the sedimentation tanks with ancient mosquitoes and termites
            Well, handsome, che ... I dug up all the Soviet trash from the sedimentation tanks with ancient mosquitoes and termites
            1. CSKA
              CSKA 10 October 2020 13: 05
              0
              Quote: AndyLW
              Well, handsome, che ... I dug up all the Soviet trash from the sedimentation tanks with ancient mosquitoes and termites

              Not handsome. Not only have I proved that you are a liar, I'll explain it to you later. Exocet has been in operation since 1974, Mosquito since 84. and from the fact that the anti-ship missile was made in 1980, it does not get any worse. As he was able to destroy the ship, he will be able to. And most of the ships I have listed are armed with anti-ship missiles Caliber.
              1. Andylw
                Andylw 10 October 2020 14: 58
                +2
                mosquitoes have not released for a long time. these are ancient rockets
                and the ship can be destroyed from the Peter's bronze cannon ...
                why did you, ignoramus, counted the patrolmen on which there are NO missiles AT ALL?
                and 3 submarines that are permanently under repair?
        3. Crimean partisan 1974
          Crimean partisan 1974 10 October 2020 11: 55
          0
          And this is not nonsense, but an inconvenient truth for urapatriots ..... oh well. nonsense chushinnyya .... probably remind you that there are many goodies on the avik Crimea. from which the entire Aovo-Black Sea basin is shot ... so do not wake up smartly while it is quiet ... by the way, a misunderstanding Neptune is a subsonic unit that can be in the 80s of the last century it would not be bad. but at the moment so .... target
          1. Andylw
            Andylw 10 October 2020 14: 59
            +1
            and the staple x-35 is also a misunderstanding and a target?
            1. Crimean partisan 1974
              Crimean partisan 1974 10 October 2020 15: 47
              0
              and the skrepny x-35 is also a misunderstanding and a target? ..... of course ... uranium is so for finishing, but so. how you will protect your boats from supersonic Mosquitoes. Onyx, Granitov ... after all, if you are sane, then you should understand that the first neptune released on the ships of the Russian Chechen Federation will immediately be fired at by supersonic weapons to reflect which the boats simply do not have the ability ... ... it's certainly good to fight with someone else's meat, but how effective if you think about it. that is, what is the use in the first place ... it would have been possible to drive the Turks, Romanians and Bulgarians for illegal fishing of seafood on the Odessa shelf. but your Juha fucked up the shelf around Serpentine and only bare rocks remained ... speculate at your leisure what the Kiev junta did good for its citizens. and define the boundaries
              1. Andylw
                Andylw 10 October 2020 16: 04
                0
                partisans ONET are such partisans)))))
                to fight with boats supersonic KR))))
                this is powerful))))
                however...
                well, because it was just for the fight against the supersonic Soviet anti-ship missiles that the RAM complex was developed, which will be exactly on these boats.
                learn!
                even partisans find it useful
                1. Crimean partisan 1974
                  Crimean partisan 1974 10 October 2020 16: 19
                  0
                  the RAM complex, which will be on these boats.
                  learn! ..... Well, the wax complex PAM was created on the basis of the UR Sidewinder. so for information of the 56th year of the last century. and then for aviation. was adapted for the Chapparel ground-based air defense system, which, as 40 years old, was removed from service due to its complete inefficiency for subsonic targets. what about supersonic (meaning air defense systems, in aviation with an excess of height over the target of Side, there are still norms)
                  Well, now to the numbers .... Sidewinder has a speed of only 700 meters per second, Mosquito and Onyx about 900 meters per second. Sayda is unlikely to catch an IR trail on the head-on course of the IR seeker. and if it does reveal that on a total head-on course for 1500 meters per second, he is not able ... but why is it removed from service ... chapparel and RAM are good only for subsonic purposes ... draw conclusions ... ..and it is useful for the partisans to know everything, because they are so curious .... and it’s bad to go to personalities .... don’t you think?
                  1. Andylw
                    Andylw 10 October 2020 16: 41
                    0
                    what does the sidewinder have to do with it? zrk ram missiles only have the engine and warhead from the sidewinder!
                    The seeker has 2 regimes and is perfectly aimed at radio-emitting targets, and not only in IR.
                    So, on a collision course with a range of 10 km, it is quite possible to intercept. Given that the guidance and target designation is remote from the Thales radar with a target detection range of more than 30 km.
                    multichannel!
                    Now RAM is the best short-range air defense system in the world
                    1. Crimean partisan 1974
                      Crimean partisan 1974 10 October 2020 19: 07
                      0
                      Now RAM is the best short-range air defense system in the world ..... made fun. to see your leader in the 95th quarter !!!! .... RAM has been removed from the armament of NATO countries for a long time as unnecessary, nevertheless, the ships are shitty written off for scrap and sold as a debt to the Neanderthal countries ...
                      The seeker has 2 modes and is perfectly aimed at radio-emitting targets .... why scratch nonsense, the IR seeker Saydov has only 2 ranges in IR frequencies .... at the moment this is the level of the 80s of the last century ... there were attempts to equip The seeker is additionally a channel in the UV range (like a stinger), but they decided in favor of developing AIM-132 to replace Saidu, and the frames, as they were old, remained, .... good luck in conducting battles with the Russian Federation ..... I hope I promise with giblets you prepare a hole ... so ... just in case ... if the frame does not help
                      1. Andylw
                        Andylw 10 October 2020 19: 28
                        0
                        The PAM has long been removed from the armament of NATO countries as unnecessary, nevertheless, the ships of the PAM are written off for scrap and sold as a debt to the Neanderthal countries

                        complete nonsense.
                        The complex is being produced to this day and is in service with NATO countries (USA, Germany, Greece), South Korea, Turkey and Egypt.
                        There was an article about the air defense KUG - they wrote about it.
                        You are just ignorant. or deliberately lying.
                        IR GOS Saydov has only 2 ranges in IR frequencies .... at the moment this is the level of the 80s of the last century

                        Another lie
                        RAM RIM-116 does NOT use a sidewinder rocket.
                        You are CONSCIOUSLY lying!
                        The RIM-116 rocket has 2 regime GOS:
                        After launch, the autopilot and dual-mode homing head come into operation: 1) a dual-frequency interferometer, which is oriented towards the radiation of the seeker of an approaching anti-ship missile system, for guidance on the cruising section of the flight path and 2) an infrared receiver for guidance on any part of the flight path (including terminal), which provides additional reliability of target acquisition and tracking in flight in case of interferometer malfunction and duplicating it

                        You can't even google and check.
                        Just a lying ignoramus
                      2. Crimean partisan 1974
                        Crimean partisan 1974 10 October 2020 19: 38
                        0
                        Just a deceitful ignoramus .... oh well .... somehow you need to be more careful with Googlemania ... especially since Google is not an assistant to me in this matter, so I have tehnomurzilki Foreign Military Review ...
                        and so in essence .... let us judge Seryoga Linnik (aka Bongo) on this site, it will be interesting ... if he has a very extensive series of articles about air defense on this site .... if I lose, then with me fortified wine ... good !!!
                      3. Andylw
                        Andylw 10 October 2020 19: 53
                        0
                        yeah ..
                        Yes Yes...
                        for now, check out here:
                        https://topwar.ru/175379-jeffektivnost-pvo-korabelnoj-udarnoj-gruppy-kug.html
                        section 2,1 / 2.2
                        and here's for general development:
                        https://topwar.ru/174920-problema-povyshenija-jeffektivnosti-pvo-pvo-odinochnogo-korablja.html
                        section 3.2
                      4. Crimean partisan 1974
                        Crimean partisan 1974 10 October 2020 20: 15
                        0
                        read ... not impressed ... let's turn to Seryoga all the same ... and let's resolve our dialogue
  • Sayan
    Sayan 9 October 2020 13: 41
    0
    Ha, again inflatable boats will be shoved to the Urins ... but rather rubber women ... but they won't send vulcanizers ... so there is nothing to fear))))
  • Alien From
    Alien From 9 October 2020 13: 47
    0
    Where they are digging a credit hole even deeper is difficult to understand. ..
  • Svetlana
    Svetlana 9 October 2020 13: 51
    +2
    I wonder what Ukraine is selling today? After all, in order to buy something for dollars, you have to sell something for dollars. Where does she get it from? Zarobitsky will not send so much.
    .
    Niggles by and large. They could improve their Gyurza, while their own production base would slowly develop and the people would have a job. (But the Angosax, as I understand it, do not need this)
    1. maktub
      maktub 9 October 2020 14: 10
      -6
      Read carefully about localization
      Both the French and the Americans and the British make only the first few copies
      1. Svetlana
        Svetlana 9 October 2020 14: 19
        +3
        The screwdriver assembly will not make these boats Ukrainian. On the contrary, it will make Ukraine even more dependent on foreign technologies and developers.
        1. maktub
          maktub 9 October 2020 14: 27
          -5
          And we have scrap, that moonshine, just to knock down
          But seriously, this is the only way to equip the fleet with modern ships.
          1. Insurgent
            Insurgent 9 October 2020 15: 28
            +2
            Quote: maktub
            Seriously, this is the only way to arm the fleet.

            You don't know the elementary about your outskirts ...

            You have no fleet. You "Navy", an abbreviation that strikingly coincides in meaning with the name of a particular contraceptive spiral ...
            1. maktub
              maktub 9 October 2020 15: 51
              -3
              Ueli, ueli, I admit.
              And let's not abbreviate, because I can remember Lutsenko and others like them
              We seem to be "diving" normally and without abbreviations
            2. Crimean partisan 1974
              Crimean partisan 1974 10 October 2020 11: 06
              0
              You have "Naval Forces", an abbreviation, the meaning is strikingly the same ... yes, everything is on top of it ... for example ... they have a flying apparatus - the LETAL APPARATUS. ... a scary name. , smacks of suicide, but indeed it is. OKB Antonov ordered to live long, pure suicide
    2. maktub
      maktub 9 October 2020 15: 14
      -4
      "Gyurza" river-sea, lobbied by Poroshenko
      Of their own - the project "Vespa", but they are waiting for "Neptune"
      1. Insurgent
        Insurgent 9 October 2020 16: 11
        +5
        Quote: maktub
        Of their own - the project "Vespa", but they are waiting for "Neptune"

        Noo No. This Neptune is waiting for them yes

        1. maktub
          maktub 9 October 2020 16: 34
          -2
          laughing Maktub!
          How is the DPR fleet doing?
          1. Insurgent
            Insurgent 9 October 2020 16: 43
            +3
            Quote: maktub
            How is the DPR fleet doing?

            In the area of ​​responsibility of high-speed boats of the DPR in the Sea of ​​Azov, the pelvis of the Outskirts of the Navy have not appeared since 2014, when two of your units of boats were destroyed (1 fire from a boat, the second launch of an ATGM from an ATGM from the shore) when trying to approach our coastline.

            Our fishermen, guarded by our boats, fearlessly fish in our part of Azov ...

            So repeat ... Velykoi morskoi derzhava wassat with your "Navy" from the outskirts did not work ... Nema peremog request, hiba, except for the battle with the Hressor for toilets ...
            1. maktub
              maktub 9 October 2020 16: 54
              -3
              High-speed boats of the DPR, is this a "Kazanka" with "Whirlwinds"?
              Or Russian "Sable" or "Mongoose"?
              1. Insurgent
                Insurgent 9 October 2020 17: 01
                +2
                Quote: maktub
                High-speed boats of the DPR, is this a "Kazanka" with "Whirlwinds"?
                Or Russian "Sable" or "Mongoose"?

                I did not go into the performance characteristics of boats, but in terms of displacement they are clearly larger than "Kazanok" with a pair of powerful, refrigerator-sized wassat outboard motors.

                Armament too, light. "KPV", "Cliff", "AGS", ATGM in various combinations. Enough to drive your kriegsmarines yes

                But maybe I don't know everything, and SOMETHING, SOMETHING is based repeat .
    3. Insurgent
      Insurgent 9 October 2020 16: 34
      +3
      Quote: Svetlana
      I wonder what Ukraine is selling today? After all, in order to buy something for dollars, you have to sell something for dollars. Where does she get it from?

      The West pays well for the confrontation with Russia.
  • maktub
    maktub 9 October 2020 13: 53
    -8
    Great news! From obs: - this is not a SuperVita type, a new project.
    From obs: - Turkey will take part in the completion of the project 58250 frigate and build 3 corvettes for Ukraine
  • Tagan
    Tagan 9 October 2020 13: 55
    +3
    Quote: AndyLW

    Their combined missile salvo will be comparable to that of the entire Russian Black Sea Fleet ...

    Yes, it will. Just yesterday. They have not been built yet, but you have sunk the entire Russian Black Sea Fleet.
    1. Andylw
      Andylw 9 October 2020 14: 21
      -5
      Yes, it will. Just yesterday

      take a calculator and count
  • Tagan
    Tagan 9 October 2020 14: 38
    +5
    Quote: AndyLW
    Yes, it will. Just yesterday

    take a calculator and count

    Where to count? An inflatable fleet in Berdyansk maybe?
    1. Andylw
      Andylw 9 October 2020 14: 52
      -3
      in any
      on new boats 64 anti-ship missiles will
      and now count how many there are in the Russian Black Sea Fleet ...
      reality will disappoint you
      1. Nastia makarova
        Nastia makarova 9 October 2020 15: 48
        -3
        one "Admiral Grigorovich" will launch its 8 anti-ship missiles and there are no pelvis))))) the pelvis has no air defense)))
        1. Andylw
          Andylw 9 October 2020 15: 52
          -4
          There is air defense.
          Why lie?
          There is an air defense system RAM.
          1. Nastia makarova
            Nastia makarova 9 October 2020 16: 09
            0
            Armament includes two quad launchers capable of launching MM40 Exocet [a] surface-to-surface missiles. The ship is also armed with Mistral surface-to-air missiles with a range of 4 km. At the front, the Oto Melara 76 mm / 62 Super Rapid naval gun with a firing range of 16 km is installed.
      2. Nastia makarova
        Nastia makarova 9 October 2020 16: 11
        0
        "Mistral" (fr. Mistral) - a portable anti-aircraft missile system designed to destroy low-flying helicopters and enemy aircraft. Developed in France by MBDA [1].
        1. Andylw
          Andylw 9 October 2020 16: 23
          -6
          A deuce for using Google
          As I said, the boats are either ram like the Greeks
          https://cmboat.ru/katera/missilemotorboat/rk211/
          Or zrk sadral mistral
          https://missilery.info/missile/mistral/sadral
  • Ros 56
    Ros 56 9 October 2020 14: 59
    +2
    These eccentrics with the letter M can be seen pans crushed the whole brain. What the hell do they need them for?
  • 7,62h54
    7,62h54 9 October 2020 15: 00
    +4
    As much as I would not want to make fun of the Raguli, they are slowly and surely moving towards the conflict in the Black Sea. Whether the boats will be built with credit money, or with money from the next fines of Gazprom, they will not be worse from this to fire rockets.
  • Andrei Nikolaevich
    Andrei Nikolaevich 9 October 2020 15: 02
    +3
    Thanks to Ukraine, there will be much less ship junk.
  • Tagan
    Tagan 9 October 2020 15: 05
    +2
    Quote: AndyLW
    in any
    on new boats 64 anti-ship missiles will
    and now count how many there are in the Russian Black Sea Fleet ...
    reality will disappoint you

    Reality is when ALREADY is.
    Are you sure what will happen? Such plans have been announced for several years, after which the entire coast should already be packed to capacity with ship ukrogruppings, the whole of Ukraine should be studded with anti-ship complexes.
    1. Andylw
      Andylw 9 October 2020 15: 09
      -4
      In this case, I am sure that yes, it will!
      There is money, these boats will be built quickly
      Every MRK is tortured for 5 years
  • Vladimir61
    Vladimir61 9 October 2020 15: 20
    +3
    ABOUT! You have not read this news in the media're coming out. There is such a rush in the media, as in May 1945. The headlines are full of not the petty name "Great Britain", but the full royal height - "Great Britain together with Ukraine ..."! Zelya, on a wave of happiness, offended one of his political "friends": - "While some" friends "are constantly hitting in the back, others are taking on part of Ukraine's problems" ... This is apparently about the fact that the EU special representative , having arrived in Ukraine, said the following: - "The EU is not an ATM for Ukraine."
  • Tagan
    Tagan 9 October 2020 15: 38
    +2
    Quote: AndyLW
    In this case, I am sure that yes, it will!
    There is money, these boats will be built quickly
    Every MRK is tortured for 5 years

    Your confidence doesn’t bring reality closer. Unless just for you. Can you compare deliveries to the Navy and other branches of the armed forces after promises in Ukraine and "torment" in Russia?
    At the expense of the Britons, it is also somehow not very hard to believe, since the condition of their own troops is far from the most enviable, including the fleet.
    1. Andylw
      Andylw 9 October 2020 15: 56
      -6
      They will build boats quickly
      Every boat is built here, as if a hedgehog is giving birth against the grain
      the state of their own troops is far from the most enviable, including the fleet

      But this is ridiculous, they build boats quickly
      Every boat is built here, as if a hedgehog is giving birth against the grain
      the state of their own troops is far from the most enviable, including the fleet

      But this is funny
  • Kushka
    Kushka 9 October 2020 15: 45
    -1
    Quote: kristofer
    And all on credit. What fellows

    Loan at 0,08% per annum, the estimate is correct.
    How would you name a person who
    will refuse to take such a loan? Honestly.
  • Tagan
    Tagan 9 October 2020 16: 07
    +1
    Quote: AndyLW
    They will build boats quickly
    Every boat is built here, as if a hedgehog is giving birth against the grain
    the state of their own troops is far from the most enviable, including the fleet

    But this is ridiculous, they build boats quickly
    Every boat is built here, as if a hedgehog is giving birth against the grain
    the state of their own troops is far from the most enviable, including the fleet

    But this is funny

    This is ridiculous.
    Really.
    Well it is only in your imagination that Great Britain is still the ruler of the seas.
    1. Andylw
      Andylw 9 October 2020 16: 27
      -6
      Well, their fleet is more modern than the Russian one. And they could build the aircraft carrier themselves
      1. Nastia makarova
        Nastia makarova 10 October 2020 05: 58
        -4
        yeah they can't build a boat themselves, build a death star right away))))
    2. maktub
      maktub 9 October 2020 16: 37
      -4
      Considering that BAE system is one of the world's leading manufacturers of high-tech goods?
  • 1536
    1536 9 October 2020 17: 25
    +1
    Why don't they immediately declare themselves English? They would buy cigars in Cuba and Armenian brandy in Armenia, and live a comfortable usurious life, imagining that they live on an island and rule the whole world.
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  • Latrus
    Latrus 9 October 2020 17: 41
    -1
    Ukraine is turning into a garbage dump used by the west .. And it also pays money for this stuff ..
    Where interesting "Hamers" have already rotted for a long time, and inflatable boats of the Navy "Black Sea Thunderstorm".
    Creepy scoundrels .. But in the days of the USSR, aircraft-carrying cruisers were built on shipwrights (they sold them to China as metal almost ready for 100 thousand and a good drink.)
    1. maktub
      maktub 9 October 2020 20: 52
      -2
      Actually, that French, that American, that British boats will be "zero"
      Used only "Islands
  • venik
    venik 9 October 2020 18: 49
    +1
    "...Ukrainian Navy will receive British boats: Kiev and London signed a preliminary agreement..."
    -------
    I just want to remember the classic: "Well, and sho son? Did your Poles help your tebi?"
    (Gogol "Taras Bulba") .......
  • Ovsigovets
    Ovsigovets 9 October 2020 19: 18
    0

    Both the French and the Americans and the British make only the first few copies [/ quote]
    By the way, what kind of ANs are there for Peru? There are reasons for healthy optimism ..... If the Saxons will build something (I, as usual, drown for the actual appearance of a unit in the ranks), then only THIS is really what is guaranteed to be built on time and with high quality))))
    1. maktub
      maktub 9 October 2020 20: 10
      -2
      Big bules, and what is wrong with An for Peru, they wrote that on the slipway, they collect according to the schedule
      From the news, Artem supplied a batch of NAR RS 80 "Oskol" for aviation and ground complexes of the Phantom type
      1. maktub
        maktub 9 October 2020 20: 26
        -2
        According to the Saxons, it is not even known what the project is, but not SuperVita
  • Ovsigovets
    Ovsigovets 9 October 2020 19: 21
    0
    Quote: maktub
    laughing Maktub!
    How is the DPR fleet doing?

    by the way about birds)))) we will build missile boats for the DPR "4-pipe" and here you will butt with them for the Sea of ​​Azov
    1. maktub
      maktub 9 October 2020 20: 19
      -4
      So I knew, I told Insurgent that no one would accept them to Russia, so you indirectly confirm
      1. Insurgent
        Insurgent 10 October 2020 07: 33
        +1
        Quote: maktub
        So I knew, I told Insurgent that no one would accept them to Russia, so you indirectly confirm

        It is you who are not saying (write) to Insurgent, but you are trying to console yourself with the thought that supposedly Donbass will never be Russian.
        Engage in self-satisfaction ...
    2. maktub
      maktub 9 October 2020 20: 30
      -5
      These are the ones that are in the Crimea without engines?
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  • d.zhuk2010
    d.zhuk2010 9 October 2020 22: 56
    +1
    Briefly and with a minimum of value judgments (if anything, the general point is that Zelensky is lying again).
    1. A memorandum was signed. A memorandum is a document that captures the intentions and aspirations of the parties. So that they, for example, do not subsequently abandon what they discussed earlier. Has no executive power. Does not contain specific actions. The timeline does not contain. The list of performers does not contain. The responsibility of the parties does not define.
    2. 2.5 billion pounds is not even a loan. This is the theoretical maximum for the total amount of credit guarantees for trade contracts marked as "UK-Ukraine".
    3. This means that the essence of the agreement is "We will help Ukraine purchase British goods."
    3.1. UKEF is the organization that helps promote British products and services to foreign markets.
    3.2. Since on the one hand, the state of Ukraine - then we are talking about contracts with state guarantees.

    In accordance with the Memorandum, UKEF (UK Export Finance) resumes work in the Ukrainian market to support British exports. UKEF will be able to provide loan guarantees of up to £ 2,5 billion for UK-Ukraine trade contracts.

    UKEF is a commercial entity that receives its share of intermediary activities.
    Therefore, we have the following picture, more real.

    Zelensky wants to buy £ 2bn of delays. He is offered not only to take out a loan for 2 billion pounds for this - no, no, he is offered to first declare that he wants 2.5 billion pounds, well, 500 million of them will be used to give him this amount. Money from Ukraine will be taken in three steps:

    1. In the form of payment for a batch of British goods;
    2. In the form of interest payments on a loan taken out for this party;
    3. In the form of an interest payment on a credit guarantee, without which a loan from clause 2 would not have been given;

    This is such a victory.
  • Ovsigovets
    Ovsigovets 9 October 2020 23: 24
    0
    Quote: maktub
    Big bules, and what is wrong with An for Peru, they wrote that on the slipway, they collect according to the schedule
    From the news, Artem supplied a batch of NAR RS 80 "Oskol" for aviation and ground complexes of the Phantom type

    mos)))) the following news will you start posting about the serial production of cartridges for Kalash ??? Well, on the slipway, so on the slipway))) wait
  • Ovsigovets
    Ovsigovets 9 October 2020 23: 28
    0
    Quote: maktub
    These are the ones that are in the Crimea without engines?

    more specifically, what exactly is in the Crimea without engines? ..project .... otherwise everything you have is from the OBS series.
    about the LPNR - I'm not a politician and I don't need to say what I like ... my personal preconceived opinion - LPRP will act as a safety guard against joining NATO ... Ukraine will not fulfill Minsk-2 - the status of a local conflict will continue - heg and not joining NATO. As for the inhabitants of the LDNR specifically, they will be helped in different ways ..... both for those who stay there and those who want to leave (passports of the Russian Federation and of course the citizenship of the Russian Federation). There will be a task to recognize their independence (Ossetia, Abkhazia) - they will be recognized.
  • venaly
    venaly 9 October 2020 23: 38
    +1
    Previously, a Tartar junk dealer would drive through the streets and buy junk. "President" Zalezhnoy-Ze resembles such a junk dealer .. A disgrace.
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  • Kushka
    Kushka 9 October 2020 23: 57
    +2
    Once about London, anecdote about London.
    Lived not grieve hahol in London.
    He decided to hit the road for a month
    I missed home-on the Buryachan woman. Goes,
    looks - "Barclay Bank" is 300 years old! Comes in
    manager for a meeting -What would you like?
    I want a loan !, Very good, sit down
    please, what amount are we talking about?
    One pound! Man we are serious
    institution! Excuse your jokes ...
    So! Director here !, What rudeness!
    Oh well, here's the form, fill it out!
    Filled in, and now if you please bail,
    you are welcome! No problem see Lincoln
    20 minutes from the salon, here are the keys!
    A month has passed, drank Buryac women, felt
    hahlushek and drove to London. Well, how much
    there with interest, where are the keys? 1 pound, 1 cent
    sir, here are your keys (in a whisper) say, well and
    where did you throw us, well, you threw us ?.
    Of course, where else can I find a guarded
    parking for a month for 1 pound!
    1. Kerensky
      Kerensky 10 October 2020 08: 42
      0
      Once about London, anecdote about London.

      Anatoly.
      I personally know this comrade, only the case was at Tveruniversalbank. And there was a Merc for $ 100. But let it be London ...
      1. Kushka
        Kushka 10 October 2020 16: 24
        0
        And what is so expensive guarded parking in Tver ?.
        In my city (regional center) parking fees
        no longer (I used to be at the markets, such a scam).
        Parking on all streets in the center (except the main one)
        solid on both sides and for the whole day - people
        arrived at work - flour for communal services.
        Sleeping bags charge for night parking 15 UAH (0,5 bucks)
        a day, many keep 2-3 cars there. In the same time
        many cars spend the night under the entrances and under the balconies-
        vandalism has been quiet for the past five years. Special
        flooded after the crown-city transport only by
        sedentary, and it is terrible in it, so everyone left, plus
        drove as never before. Write 9 thousand used cars in 250 months
        imported, and new cars were sold by 7% more than in
        September last year. Gasoline 92 20 UAH / l (USD 28,5),
        but it stops no one, no jerks with jerks,
        no old farts. There were also accidents, especially with pedestrians.
        I drive by my own rules - wherever I am on the main road, I pass
        as with STOP.
  • Petrol cutter
    Petrol cutter 10 October 2020 17: 49
    0
    And I warned.