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Zhytomyr armored plant revealed defective components

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At the Zhytomyr Armored Plant (ZhBTZ), which is part of the state company Ukroboronprom, during the execution of the state defense order for the repair of military equipment, it was revealed that the contractor had supplied low-quality welding materials. The press service of the enterprise reports.


In December 2019, for one of the orders, the plant announced a tender for the purchase of welding wire. In August 2020, in the process of using one of the batches of purchased wire, the company's specialists revealed a discrepancy with the declared characteristics.

The plant sent samples of the deposited metal of the wire to a private laboratory in the city of Bucha, Kiev region, to be examined for compliance with the quality certificate. The results of the laboratory examination made it possible to establish that the material does not meet the declared characteristics and cannot be used when performing welding work. ZhBTZ began work with a supplier of low-quality products.

It was also decided to send wire samples for research to the Paton Electric Welding Institute in Kiev.

The company notes that the plant carries out repairs of military equipment participating in hostilities in the Donbas, on the serviceability of which the lives of servicemen of the Armed Forces of Ukraine depend.
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  1. trophy
    trophy 9 October 2020 10: 53
    +3
    Is it weak to carry out incoming control at the enterprise?
    1. nnm
      nnm 9 October 2020 11: 14
      +3
      Why, if you can first demand a kickback from the contractor for closing his eyes, and if he refuses, terminate the contract with him, laundering the money on a private examination, and then conclude an agreement with a more compliant contractor.
    2. Avior
      Avior 9 October 2020 11: 18
      +2
      He was carried out
      1. Insurgent
        Insurgent 9 October 2020 11: 49
        0
        Quote: Avior
        He was carried out

        Whom did they spend? Customer?
      2. VO3A
        VO3A 9 October 2020 13: 10
        -2
        It was also decided to send wire samples for research to the Paton Electric Welding Institute in Kiev.

        The height of cynicism, at first they did not buy the wire from him, but now they want to be analyzed the left-wing materials? They have killed all their welding plants, and they continue to kill, and now they cannot find the necessary materials !!!
        1. Avior
          Avior 9 October 2020 14: 13
          +2
          Judging by the article, the marriage was found in one of the parties.
          That is, others were of normal quality, it turns out.
        2. Paul Siebert
          Paul Siebert 9 October 2020 15: 50
          +1
          Quote: VO3A
          It was also decided to send wire samples for research to the Paton Electric Welding Institute in Kiev.

          The height of cynicism, at first they did not buy the wire from him, but now they want to be analyzed the left-wing materials? They have killed all their welding plants, and they continue to kill, and now they cannot find the necessary materials !!!

          Having removed their head - they do not cry through their hair!
          Having ditched all your heavy industry, you should not be surprised that armored vehicles are creeping apart at the seams, barely reaching the battlefield.
          Maybe that's why Zeliboba wants to build the next boats for the mosquito fleet in English shipyards, and not in Nikolaev? ..
          If the welding seams disperse on the vessel, it will not stop like an armored personnel carrier, it will go to the fish ... wink
    3. TermNachTer
      TermNachTer 9 October 2020 12: 05
      +1
      And why?)))) The company is one-day, the grandmother received and disappeared. The main thing is not to be thrown with a "rollback"))))
    4. AK1972
      AK1972 9 October 2020 12: 22
      +3
      At normal enterprises, before the launch of the material into production, two samples are welded for each product - witnesses, which undergo non-destructive testing (X-ray, ultrasound) and fur. tests (static bending, impact bending, static tension). These tests make it possible to determine the equal strength of the welded joint (correspondence of the mechanical properties of the weld metal to the base metal). If the samples fail along the seam, and the strength, impact strength does not meet the requirements, then the wire is not allowed into production.
      1. orionvitt
        orionvitt 9 October 2020 15: 13
        +1
        Quote: AK1972
        In normal enterprises

        One question, where are you in Ukraine, recently, have you seen "normal enterprises"? There were such, I do not argue, but now, sorry. When the principle of "everything for sale" is put at the head of the national ideology and "they drank while sawing," there can be no "normal enterprises" by definition. Even if an ordinary rembaza is called loudly and with pathos as an "armored factory", the quality will not improve.
  2. AlexVas44
    AlexVas44 9 October 2020 10: 54
    +1
    carries out repairs of military equipment participating in hostilities in the Donbass, on the serviceability of which the lives of servicemen of the Armed Forces of Ukraine depend.

    Look how it is emphasized. But in any other country, apparently, then please, the welded seams will fit. Nothing personal....
  3. credo
    credo 9 October 2020 10: 54
    +2
    Everyday life of any organization in any country.
    What is the novelty, relevance or unusualness of the message?
    1. nnm
      nnm 9 October 2020 11: 16
      +2
      "You need to know the enemy by sight" and, in the smallest details. From a military point of view (despite my comment above), this news should say that the quality of both repairs and the creation of technology is improving. This should cool the violent heads of those who strive to cover the enemy with their hats.
  4. Avior
    Avior 9 October 2020 11: 21
    +1
    A normal working moment in any production.
    .
    By the way, welding wire is a consumable, not a component.
    1. Insurgent
      Insurgent 9 October 2020 11: 36
      0
      Quote: Avior
      A normal working moment in any production.

      By the way, welding wire is a consumable, not a component.

      This may be a "normal working moment" exactly before the attempt to deliver defective armored hulls welded using substandard "consumables" to the customer ... After that, the UK should work.

      But it is possible that all the same, the counterfeit goods got to their destination with the usual criminal corruption loopholes for the "square".

      It Outskirts, and God alone knows how many marriage ALREADY got into the APU ...

      And it is GOOD! Let them fall apart from a sneeze ...
      1. maktub
        maktub 9 October 2020 12: 01
        -2
        Do not tell my "genitals", you are the "flesh of the flesh" of Ukraine and the "schematics" are the same, and the "middle link" is more likely to remain, and all the "sores" accumulated over the years.
        Just do not sing the songs "for everything we have is no longer so" laughing
        1. Insurgent
          Insurgent 9 October 2020 12: 28
          0
          Quote: maktub
          Do not tell my "genitals", you are the "flesh of the flesh" of Ukraine and the "schemki" are the same

          But but but stop We, the "scoop" (according to your hands), and you - Tse Europa wassat .

          How would you "civilized Europeans"and we ... So the analogy of comparing" us and you "- not correct.
          1. maktub
            maktub 9 October 2020 12: 34
            -2
            Come on, "bureaucrats" are the same everywhere, they act according to the precepts of Luzhkov laughing
            1. Insurgent
              Insurgent 9 October 2020 12: 38
              0
              Quote: maktub
              Come on, "bureaucrats" are the same everywhere, they act according to the precepts of Luzhkov

              Come on ... the overseas owners of the whole NABU established for you (obviously missing the letter), linking it mandatory creation with the possibility of further subsidizing the Outskirts ...
              1. maktub
                maktub 9 October 2020 13: 01
                0
                NABU, SAP, VAKS were created to collect dirt on the ruling "tax" and control it
                You might think you do not have (KRU, OBEP, etc. terminology is not important)
                relevant structures from curators from the Russian Federation
                The difference is that I can openly criticize and talk about it, but you cannot.
                1. Insurgent
                  Insurgent 9 October 2020 13: 15
                  -2
                  Quote: maktub
                  NABU, SAP, VAKS were created to collect dirt on the ruling "tax" and control it



                  And the yak is nezalezhnist? belay belay belay
                  1. maktub
                    maktub 9 October 2020 13: 18
                    +1
                    Do you need to answer the question with a question? laughing
                    1. Insurgent
                      Insurgent 9 October 2020 13: 26
                      -2
                      Quote: maktub
                      Do you need to answer the question with a question?

                      And with your voluminous power supply, it does not work out differently No. , because with the train of your outskirts insoluble in principle problems (not the ability to be independent, as the main one) speech only boils down to the fact that you under-state from which some of the former citizens left along with the territories, not wanting to vegetate further ...
                      1. maktub
                        maktub 9 October 2020 13: 42
                        -3
                        Take off the pink "glasses" and look around wassat
                      2. Insurgent
                        Insurgent 9 October 2020 13: 53
                        -2
                        Quote: maktub
                        Take off the pink "glasses" and look around

                        A very strange proposal of the "dumb kobzar" ...
                      3. maktub
                        maktub 9 October 2020 13: 59
                        -1
                        I’m not “Cat Bayun”, “no matter how much you say the word halva, it won’t become sweeter” and in Russia they won’t take
  5. Avior
    Avior 9 October 2020 14: 07
    +2
    What about the delivery of the defective product to the customer?
    There was not a word.
    Why did you write this? Throw on the fan?
  • Alien From
    Alien From 9 October 2020 11: 27
    -4
    Why should we know this .... let the brothers cook in their swamp.
  • Dimka75
    Dimka75 9 October 2020 11: 30
    -3
    What happened?
    - defective components for tanks!
    Or rather?
    - low-quality welding materials
    More accurate?
    - welding wire of the wrong system :-)
  • fn34440
    fn34440 9 October 2020 11: 31
    -9
    The UkroBTR-80 has an automatic uninhabited combat module, and this is a step forward, and our patrols in Syria are all "Lynxes", "Tigers" and so on. armored vehicles - a potential target-machine gunner sits in a weak armor glass, or even without. And also cool "naked" buggies, and so on. "little things".
    What is the stunted military budget spent on? And I feel sorry for the fighters.
    1. faiver
      faiver 9 October 2020 11: 42
      0
      UkroBTR-80 has an automatic uninhabited combat module
      - this module is somewhat reminiscent of the awkward tower from the KV-2
      And what about the BTR-82 with an uninhabited module, what does not suit you? lynxes, tigers are cars of a lower class, although you can put modules on them, but is it necessary? For patrol, an automatic cannon or a heavy machine gun, in my opinion, is somewhat redundant
      1. novel66
        novel66 9 October 2020 12: 04
        -3
        "awkward tower" from the KV-2, it still made sense
        1. faiver
          faiver 9 October 2020 12: 08
          -2
          still made sense
          - what? The fact that she was constantly wedged on uneven terrain due to imbalance? And experience is the son of difficult mistakes ...
          1. novel66
            novel66 9 October 2020 12: 10
            -4
            the fact that at the right time an armored platform with a large caliber appeared, they did not come up with it from nefig, the need forced
            1. faiver
              faiver 9 October 2020 12: 20
              -1
              Roman sorry, what is the right time? He did not have time for Finnish, and did not live up to the offensive actions of the Red Army, unlike his younger brother
              1. novel66
                novel66 9 October 2020 12: 25
                -4
                nevertheless, after reading Baryatinsky - a self-propelled gun of this kind was in demand (well, yes, not a tank), but for the Finnish one - just did not have time ?? somehow I don't remember
                1. faiver
                  faiver 9 October 2020 12: 33
                  -2
                  just did not have time, later self-propelled guns did not have turrets and had a different gun, although with the same caliber
    2. RedMachine
      RedMachine 9 October 2020 12: 18
      -1
      the "naked" buggy has different tasks, unlike the UkroBTR-80, its armor will reduce its movement speed
  • Kot_Kuzya
    Kot_Kuzya 9 October 2020 12: 03
    -3
    And why am I not surprised? These clowns of India even promised to build tank engines, but they themselves cannot even smelt normal metal, it is not surprising that their mortar barrels tear, because the charges are designed for barrels made of normal weapon steel. By the way, this is why pots cannot be made for rifle barrels and tank guns, because the load on these barrels will be 10 times more than the load on mortar barrels.
  • APASUS
    APASUS 9 October 2020 12: 10
    -1
    Rollback + rollback, otherwise you will not receive an order for the repair of equipment. It means that you need to save on something. It's strange that this substitution was revealed, in general, was there any wire from manure?
  • Nyrobsky
    Nyrobsky 9 October 2020 12: 22
    0
    Good. In December 2019, a tender was announced, in August 2020, they received bullshit, sent for examination, until they get what they need, it will already be 2021, and there the welder will be beaten and his arm will be broken because he does not want to speak the language or some other whether crap happens - it means that the execution of the state contract has been postponed indefinitely.
  • boris epstein
    boris epstein 9 October 2020 16: 00
    +1
    The electrode wire used to be supplied to Ukraine (in particular, to the electrode shop of the Pobeda Truda plant in Artemovsk) from Elektrostal near Moscow. And the flux came from Kazakhstan. Then the Pobedov electrodes were appreciated all over the world. Now all home-made electrode wire is from Dnepropovsk. Present Pobedovsky electrodes are not even bought by the locals now. And they have been complaining about welding in Ukraine for a long time, at the Lozovsky Armored Plant, where they make armored hulls for armored personnel carriers, at the Lviv Armored Plant, where they repair armored vehicles. Now Zhitomir. Iraq has already ordered 80 BTR-4Es from Ukraine. The batch was returned. Cracks in the hulls, poor-quality welding, 56 armored personnel carriers did not have batteries.