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Cancellation of indexation of pensions for working pensioners is illegal: even United Russia party demands to restore it

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A proposal has been made to the Russian government to index pensions for working pensioners. As you know, recently the pensions of those elderly people who continue to work have not been indexed.


Surprisingly, the United Russia party approached the government with a similar proposal. As we perfectly understand, it is United Russia that is the party of the very government in the country that made the decision to cancel the indexation of pensions. But now the policy of the Duma faction is aimed at restoring the party's rating, in connection with which the United Russia party decided to act as a defender of the rights of pensioners. From whom? From ourselves, it turns out ...

We submitted our proposals on this matter to the government. Now we expect that our proposals will be answered. Of course, we discussed this topic with the Pension Fund and the Ministry of Labor,

- quotes RBC Deputy Chairman of the United Russia Andrei Isaev.

However, even before the United Russia party, the issue of indexation of pensions was raised at a meeting with Vladimir Putin by the leader of A Just Russia, Sergei Mironov. In the SR, as in the Communist Party of the Russian Federation, they have long been outraged by the very fact of the abolition of the indexation of pensions for working pensioners. Mironov drew the president's attention to the fact that the Ministry of Finance's budget for 2021 does not include expenses for it.

Recall that the indexation of pensions for working pensioners stopped on January 1, 2016. The authorities took this step to fill the deficit of the Russian Pension Fund. For a long time, the parliamentary opposition tried to put pressure on the government to resume indexation, but the cabinet of ministers stubbornly brushed off this initiative. But now representatives of the ruling party have already started talking about the resumption of indexing.

There are reasons for such a step by United Russia: the indexation of pensions is spelled out in the amendments to the Constitution of the Russian Federation, for which President Vladimir Putin so advocated. It turns out that the lack of indexation of pensions for working pensioners will be unconstitutional.

Questions also arise of a moral nature: the pension is earned by a person during his life, this is his money, which is the result of long and often hard work. And if a person still has health, strength and the desire to work, this does not mean that he can be deprived of the required indexing just because he is working. It is clear that it is more profitable for the state to solve the problems of the Pension Fund at the expense of the pensioners themselves, but in this case, can we talk about the social nature of such a state?

Now in the "United Russia" they are talking about the possibility of both one-step and stage-by-stage restoration of the indexation of pensions for working pensioners. It can be assumed that if the ruling party came up with such an initiative, the government will nevertheless go to its satisfaction this time.

Otherwise, the question will arise about the compliance of the government's position with the norms of the Russian Constitution. And this issue will be very inconvenient for the Russian authorities, whose ratings cracked after the pandemic with self-isolation and the ensuing economic crisis. So the restoration of indexation would be a good move to demonstrate at least a small concern of the authorities for the needs and troubles of ordinary citizens.
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  1. Daniil Konovalenko
    Daniil Konovalenko 9 October 2020 12: 43
    +5
    It seems that they still do not receive pensions, or rather, they have not lived to the age of (whether they live), they will remain completely without pensions, and what they will pay will be a miserable ...
    1. NDR-791
      NDR-791 9 October 2020 12: 52
      -4
      Yes, they may well completely cancel those pensions, we will live like in China. As long as the Ministry of Finance rules the country and even the pension fund does not have enough money (WHAT ???), then it will be so
      1. Daniil Konovalenko
        Daniil Konovalenko 9 October 2020 12: 58
        +4
        "Will it still be, oh-oh-oh" ... (c) and When will they get drunk?
        1. Svarog
          Svarog 9 October 2020 13: 27
          +3
          Quote: Daniil Konovalenko
          "Will it still be, oh-oh-oh" ... (c) and When will they get drunk?

          They never have an immense appetite.
          1. Machito
            Machito 9 October 2020 13: 59
            +2
            The aggravation of the Maidan situation in the countries of the former USSR is pushing EdRo to populist decisions. By indexing pitiful pennies to working pensioners, you can earn some rating points.
            1. Hypertension
              Hypertension 9 October 2020 16: 06
              +3
              Quote: Bearded
              The aggravation of the Maidan situation in the countries of the former USSR is pushing EdRo to populist decisions.

              The only way. Only when the roasted rooster bites, the edross begin to sluggishly move on the topic of their direct duties, namely, to improve the life of the population. Moreover, they probably swear to themselves - they say, distracted from important matters - rest in palaces and heavy thoughts about how to rewrite something for your wife.
              1. astepanov
                astepanov 10 October 2020 20: 31
                +1
                The indexing will certainly be returned. But first, for several years they will resolve the issue "in the first reading", "in the second reading" ... in the nth reading, then they will "bring in line" the legislative framework, then - in accordance with the realities of the day ... In general, not only only all working pensioners will survive.
                How many years have passed before the gentlemen are ripe for a decision on progressive taxation, and the decision is full-time and scanty? This clearly shows who these gentlemen are working for.
                By the way, working pensioners donate part of their earnings to the pension fund - and they are discriminated against. It is difficult to imagine a greater injustice, but at the same time, the parties do not give a damn about the old people, they just want to get into parliament again with the largest possible gang.
        2. Pereira
          Pereira 9 October 2020 17: 08
          +1
          They won't get drunk, because the goons have grown children, and grandchildren are on the way. They also need it.
      2. mat-vey
        mat-vey 9 October 2020 13: 11
        +6
        Quote: NDR-791
        we will live like in china.

        How do they live in China?
        1. NDR-791
          NDR-791 9 October 2020 13: 15
          -11 qualifying.
          And there are no pensions, they are absent as a class. There are children, maybe they will. But no, work to death or die, lie down
          1. mat-vey
            mat-vey 9 October 2020 13: 17
            14
            Quote: NDR-791
            And there are no pensions, they are absent as a class.

            Are you from Earth, or don't you have the Internet?
          2. Svarog
            Svarog 9 October 2020 13: 22
            11
            Quote: NDR-791
            And there are no pensions, they are absent as a class. There are children, maybe they will. But no, work to death or die, lie down

            There are pensions in China, for civil servants ... but how can a raw materials appendage fail in China ..

          3. DNS-a42
            DNS-a42 9 October 2020 13: 32
            +7
            Quote: NDR-791
            And there are no pensions, they are absent as a class.

            stop
            In 2018, about 66% of Chinese citizens (918,5 million people) were registered in the PRC pension insurance system.
          4. Petro_tut
            Petro_tut 13 October 2020 21: 31
            0
            Government officials seem to have pensions in China
      3. 210ox
        210ox 9 October 2020 14: 00
        +8
        By the way, there are pensions in China. But there is also a certain amount of tension with pensions. And the fact that we live in a disgusting state in relation to our people is a fact.
      4. Undecim
        Undecim 9 October 2020 15: 22
        +1
        we will live like in china.
        I wonder who launched the information that there are no pensions in China.

        In 2020, the average pension in China is 900-1300 yuan or 150-200 USD, that is, higher than in Russia. But the average size in relation to China is not very informative.
        The difference in income between pensioners in the same city and different social groups is large. In Shanghai, the income of retirees from enterprises is 3500 yuan per month, while the income of retirees from public institutions is about 4800 yuan per month, and the income of retired civil servants is more than 7000 yuan, and in some mountain village the pension may be even 100 yuan.
      5. strelokmira
        strelokmira 9 October 2020 15: 52
        +3
        we will live like in china

        We won't pay pensions there and the standard of living is higher
    2. Svarog
      Svarog 9 October 2020 13: 20
      15
      This circus with horses is already tiresome, it has long been necessary to send food to the trash heap, nothing will restore their rating. And return the retirement age to the previous conditions!
      1. 210ox
        210ox 9 October 2020 14: 04
        +3
        Come on! Rating??!! Any rating can be written. It's like we have in the Krasnodar Territory at the election of the governor. He was voted for in percentage more than Kim in North Korea. Although you ask anyone, with the name of Kondratyev, everyone starts to spit. True, one caveat, did they go to the polls?
        1. Svarog
          Svarog 9 October 2020 14: 13
          +6
          Quote: 210ox
          Is there really one caveat, did they go to the polls?

          I think that even if everyone went to the polls, the authorities would find a way to cheat.
          1. depressant
            depressant 9 October 2020 14: 26
            +1
            Don't flatter yourself, colleague. The authorities have long found how to deceive us with the elections. And not only with the elections.
          2. paul3390
            paul3390 10 October 2020 11: 53
            +1
            If something depended on the elections, we would not be allowed to participate in them.

            Principles don't matter much, except during elections. After the election, they can be hung on a rope so that they are properly ventilated and dried.

            The ballot is the only commodity that can be traded without a patent.

            All political parties eventually die, choking on their own lies.

            To be his president if he is not hanged until then.

            There are some legislatures that sell for the highest prices in the world.



            (c) Mark Twain.
  2. RealPilot
    RealPilot 9 October 2020 12: 52
    19
    Working pensioners ...
    This is simply a recognition of the fact that you cannot live on retirement!

    By itself, this statement (that the pensioner will continue to work) contradicts the idea of ​​"well-earned rest", which is the cornerstone of pension provision in general. And it motivates people, in principle, to make contributions to the pension fund.

    If the pensions were adequate, then there would be fewer working pensioners, this would mean continuing to work by vocation and at will. And so - to survive.
    1. Daniil Konovalenko
      Daniil Konovalenko 9 October 2020 12: 59
      +3
      It contradicts not the idea, but the Constitution ... where everyone has the right ... uh-huh ... It's funny, yes, the amendments were adopted and it's getting worse and worse ... And before adoption, they tried to persuade us that we would accept our life better .. smile
      1. mat-vey
        mat-vey 9 October 2020 13: 16
        0
        Article 75 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation.
        ..... 6. In the Russian Federation, a system of pension provision for citizens is being formed on the basis of the principles of universality, justice and solidarity between generations and its effective functioning is supported, and the indexation of pensions is carried out at least once a year in accordance with the procedure established by federal law.
        7. In the Russian Federation, in accordance with federal law, compulsory social insurance, targeted social support for citizens and the indexation of social benefits and other social benefits are guaranteed.
        1. Svarog
          Svarog 9 October 2020 13: 21
          +6
          Quote: mat-vey
          ... In the Russian Federation, in accordance with federal law,

          In the Russian Federation, nothing is guaranteed .. even if there is a law ..
          1. mat-vey
            mat-vey 9 October 2020 13: 29
            +1
            Quote: Svarog
            Quote: mat-vey
            ... In the Russian Federation, in accordance with federal law,

            In the Russian Federation, nothing is guaranteed .. even if there is a law ..

            What kind of sipimist you are .... there are people who are guaranteed and compensated for .... And you know, all in a crowd ... indiscriminately ..
            1. Svarog
              Svarog 9 October 2020 13: 34
              +9
              Quote: mat-vey
              Quote: Svarog
              Quote: mat-vey
              ... In the Russian Federation, in accordance with federal law,

              In the Russian Federation, nothing is guaranteed .. even if there is a law ..

              What kind of sipimist you are .... there are people who are guaranteed and compensated for .... And you know, all in a crowd ... indiscriminately ..

              The previous Constitution was not respected and the current one will not be .. And our laws are like a rod ..
              1. mat-vey
                mat-vey 9 October 2020 13: 42
                +1
                Quote: Svarog
                Quote: mat-vey
                Quote: Svarog
                Quote: mat-vey
                ... In the Russian Federation, in accordance with federal law,

                In the Russian Federation, nothing is guaranteed .. even if there is a law ..

                What kind of sipimist you are .... there are people who are guaranteed and compensated for .... And you know, all in a crowd ... indiscriminately ..

                The previous Constitution was not respected and the current one will not be .. And our laws are like a rod ..

                and here, you know, all constitutions are important and all are equal before the guarantor ...
        2. Daniil Konovalenko
          Daniil Konovalenko 9 October 2020 13: 34
          +5
          Something the provisions of the articles contradict the actions of the deputies and the government .. laughing
          1. mat-vey
            mat-vey 9 October 2020 13: 37
            +2
            Quote: Daniil Konovalenko
            Something the provisions of the articles contradict the actions of the deputies and the government .. laughing

            The one that the deputies, here on VO, someone does not like the Constitution, which even minus for direct quotes from this important book ...
        3. Varyag71
          Varyag71 9 October 2020 14: 49
          +4
          It's funny to read about justice. For some reason, ordinary people now have a point-based system, unlike officials and security officials.
          1. mat-vey
            mat-vey 9 October 2020 14: 55
            +3
            Quote: Varyag71
            It's funny to read about justice. For some reason, ordinary people now have a point-based system, unlike officials and security officials.

            Orwell described this case in a very accessible form ...
      2. Roman070280
        Roman070280 12 October 2020 13: 57
        +1
        before the adoption, they tried to convince them that we will accept, we will live better .. smile

        Life is bad without a sucker ..
        Only complete suckers believed that the amendments were being adopted for some other purpose, except to nullify Putin.
  3. AlexVas44
    AlexVas44 9 October 2020 12: 58
    +7
    it is the United Russia that is the party of the very government in the country that made the decision to abolish the indexation of pensions.

    United Russia, as always, only voted for the decision already made by the "boss". And now, on the eve of the upcoming elections, he is trying to score points.
    1. Pilot
      Pilot 9 October 2020 13: 22
      +5
      Yes, the enemy has already pounded, but ... It's too late to rush! angry ,,
      The chairman of the United Russia party, Dmitry Medvedev, believes that during the campaign for the elections to the State Duma in 2021, "everyone will be against" this political association. In this regard, the party must be impeccable from the point of view of effective work. He argues that in the future campaign everyone will oppose United Russia "with particular fury".
      WWW.MK.RU
  4. sds87
    sds87 9 October 2020 13: 04
    +7
    Pensions are not for mere mortals. Only for those who survived and who had a thug job for the government. Before canceling something, you need to create it. And not just another FIU, but something else, where a person can get guaranteed funds. Although what am I talking about? Nothing can be guaranteed in Russia. There is no development strategy. Only withdrawing money from the country. It is useless to save in Russia. Rubles become cheaper forever and all accumulations in them are depreciated. That is a default, then something else. And you live ... how it comes out.
    1. Petro_tut
      Petro_tut 13 October 2020 21: 36
      0
      It is useless to save in Russia

      Save up in fixed assets - greenhouses for example
  5. Tagan
    Tagan 9 October 2020 13: 12
    +1
    Quote: Daniil Konovalenko
    It seems that they still do not receive pensions, or rather, they have not lived to the age of (whether they live), they will remain completely without pensions, and what they will pay will be a miserable ...

    Perhaps they began to fuss, finding that many of the retirement age are on the way)))
  6. U-58
    U-58 9 October 2020 13: 19
    +5
    That's just it, that the rating of the authorities and the only Russia cracked.
    Which must be eliminated.
    And we are not talking about philanthropy at all from the word.
    In an attempt to preserve the power of big business and small shopkeepers, the government seems to have decided not to reckon with expenses, so as not to lose more.
  7. trophy
    trophy 9 October 2020 13: 42
    +5
    Is the abolition of the indexation of monetary allowances for military personnel in the period from 2013 to 2018 legal? Why did all the herd of these goons voted for her for so many years in a row? The elections to the Duma soon dumped edrosnyuk with fat thighs, and they put a big heap on pensioners and other citizens who were not part of their class.
  8. Living7111972
    Living7111972 9 October 2020 14: 10
    +4
    They will never raise their rating !!! Is it true how to raise something that is not?
    1. depressant
      depressant 9 October 2020 15: 06
      +1
      They tried. To give money to people and thereby raise their own rating. But there is no money for this in the budget. So you need to print? And since the IMF is putting a spoke in the wheel, preventing our Central Bank from printing additional money that is superfluous in relation to the currency entering the country, we decided to do this: let's issue government bonds, the banks will buy them, then they will sell the Central Bank at a higher price than they bought, there was something to pay with the banks, print money and redeem those obligations, I repeat, much more expensive than the banks bought them from the state. This is how you can bypass the IMF, there will be an additional mass of money that banks will receive, and the government will start transferring this money to people, as if taking a loan from banks, of course, at interest in favor of banks.

      And what happened? Banks bought obligations from the state and ... put them in their own safes! And the government lost the ability to take loans from banks to give money to people. The banks, chuckling, say: "We gave you money by buying your obligations. So, percentiles, please! Checkout is over there!" The government replies: "We sold you for a cheap price, the amount of proceeds is small, the people do not have enough of it to distribute nishtyaks! And you also demand interest on the obligations!" Banks: "And this, dear, is your problem!"
      This is how it is, capitalism, however.
  9. mark_rod
    mark_rod 9 October 2020 19: 06
    0
    For three years, pensions for military pensioners have not been indexed, and silence .... Civil pensions have already caught up with the military.
  10. Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 9 October 2020 19: 36
    +1
    Cancellation of indexation of pensions for working pensioners is illegal: even United Russia party demands to restore it


    Not a good life happened
    We all work in our seventh decade.
    Why would the old people give up
    Have a good and orderly retirement life.

    We do not intend to endure deception,
    And let's say our word where it is needed.
    We don't give a damn about you and grind,
    When we will take up your "kagal" together.

    All of a sudden the "shushara" began to fuss -
    The drop in ratings is shown by polls.
    Not a "saichka" looms for fear,
    Answer in full for everything, United Russia.

    We will forget about you forever.
    All your intrigues for the people will be lost.
    And the man of labor will be glorious,
    And you - freeloaders, hands will not give.
  11. iouris
    iouris 10 October 2020 15: 45
    -1
    Illegal, so what? And nobody canceled counter-revolutionary expediency. First, there is no money ...
  12. Comrade Kim
    Comrade Kim 12 October 2020 01: 03
    0
    Quote: Daniil Konovalenko
    "Will it still be, oh-oh-oh" ... (c) and When will they get drunk?


    Never!

    Patented bastards!
    Revel in their inflated ratings before the law passed at their filing on raising the retirement age.
    And now they are trying to look like pink pussies.
    But it doesn't work!
    From these One-Serves, the stench of a corpse stench a mile away.
    Their children are patriotic from overseas (for example, as Rodnina's daughter Instagram with the American flag).
    And parents are finishing off our people here with their monstrous laws.
    It is even difficult to understand who is more disgusting: Consortium or an adherent of Navalny's sect.
    Send both those and these to a desert island. And see who eats whom first.
    1. Petro_tut
      Petro_tut 13 October 2020 21: 39
      0
      Send both those and these to a desert island
      they send themselves only to the inhabited island - Britain