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"The enemy has lost control of troops": Azerbaijan's Defense Ministry reports on the results of night battles

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The Ministry of Defense of the Republic of Armenia shares information on how the night of October 8-9 passed in the zone of the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict. It is noted that the situation remained tense.


It was added that Azerbaijani troops allowed themselves to conduct artillery fire and rocket attacks "in the direction of the settlements of Nagorno-Karabakh."

Shushan Stepanyan, Press Secretary of the Armenian Defense Ministry:

The units of the Defense Army are in full control of the situation and are ready for any development of events.

Meanwhile, the Azerbaijani Defense Ministry notes that the fighting in the conflict zone continued throughout the night. It is claimed that the Azerbaijani troops "decisively suppressed the enemy's combat activity." In particular, it is reported that the command (of the enemy) has lost control of the Armenian troops and the mutual coordination of actions has been disrupted.

From the report:

Riots broke out between his units, the discipline of personnel was violated.

Further, it is argued that "the enemy's abandonment of his positions began to be massive."

New aerial footage is being demonstrated - the destruction of the equipment of the Armenian troops in the conflict zone.


The Azerbaijani military department presents its version of statistics of losses in equipment incurred by the Armenian side. Among others - 13 tanks T-72, 2 self-propelled guns "Akatsia", three D-30s, 4 MLRS BM-21 "Grad".


The 49th Tank Brigade of the Armenian Armed Forces announced the loss of six T-72 tanks, which remained "on the move."

Recall that on the eve of Vladimir Putin called on the Armenian and Azerbaijani sides to cease fire. Also, invitations were sent to the heads of the foreign ministries of the republics to Moscow - to hold meetings and consultations in the building of the Russian Foreign Ministry.
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  1. Kot_Kuzya
    Kot_Kuzya 9 October 2020 09: 47
    23
    All right, the end of the Soros. It was nehru to ride for Pashinyan's little soro in 2018 with Russophobic slogans. Russophobia should be expensive, very expensive.
    1. Insurgent
      Insurgent 9 October 2020 09: 53
      +7
      Quote: Kot_Kuzya
      Russophobia should be expensive, very expensive.

      In Turkish lira?
      1. Aleksandr21
        Aleksandr21 9 October 2020 10: 03
        33
        Quote: Insurgent
        In Turkish lira?


        And where does the Turkish lira? If we are talking about Russophobia in Armenia, have they already forgotten the posters and slogans: "Get out the invaders from Armenia"? Or remind about Pashinyan's policy towards Russia? And regarding Turkey, of course, they have their own interests and goals in the region, but it was not the Turks who made the color revolution in Armenia.
        1. hrych
          hrych 9 October 2020 10: 08
          21
          The colleague meant that the lyres that went to drones, etc., went to pay for the fruits of Armenian Russophobia laughing Now news has arrived that the talks between the foreign ministers in Moscow have been confirmed. The mistake of Armenia is the Soros, and the puncture of the AzR is the Barmaley. Our task is to cleanse the Transcaucasia from soros and barmaley. As you guessed, non-verbally, the barmaley eliminate the soros.
          1. Temples
            Temples 9 October 2020 10: 31
            +9
            Quote: hrych
            barmaley liquidate soros.

            good
            Who will liquidate the Barmaleev?
            1. hrych
              hrych 9 October 2020 10: 43
              +3
              Quote: Temples
              Who will liquidate the Barmaleev?

              Simple Armenian, and then Azerbaijani guys. The Turks may of course take them out after the armistice, but it is cheaper to dispose of the material on the spot.
              1. Temples
                Temples 9 October 2020 10: 46
                +5
                Well then, this is a great game to eliminate Russophobes from the Caucasus.
              2. astepanov
                astepanov 9 October 2020 11: 57
                +2
                Quote: hrych
                Simple Armenian, and then Azerbaijani guys.

                Ordinary Armenian guys will get a clear CO from ordinary Armenian soros: "You see, we warned, and Russia left us - give us NATO!" And the 102nd military base from Armenia will be squeezed out under the hooting of the United States.
                1. hrych
                  hrych 9 October 2020 12: 04
                  +4
                  Ha, and Macron flew in in a blue helicopter and saved? Russia gave guarantees and set red flags to the Turks, and Barge ... oh Macron, showed such concern, well, such concern ... You can already tell Pashinyan, they say, well, son, your Poles helped ... wassat Where is at least high-precision French weapons? No.
                  1. astepanov
                    astepanov 9 October 2020 12: 10
                    +3
                    Macron, of course, did not and will not save. But claims in any case will be against Russia, and it does not matter that they are unfair. And Pashinyan WILL hang all the dogs on Russia - at least in order to deflect the accusations of the Armenians from himself. This has already happened in many countries. And the Armenians will surely lead and start jumping, because the simplest and most understandable to the crowd reasons have broken many states. The same Ukraine, for example.
                    1. hrych
                      hrych 9 October 2020 12: 19
                      +4
                      Pashinyan is left to sit a little, and maybe a lot, but in a different place. laughing Winners are not judged, and a loser cannot justify himself and blame. Now in Armenia the Karabakh clan, the former victors and who held these lands for more than a quarter of a century, should return to power. Pashinyan introduced censorship, removed an important magpie, and a prominent military leader was arrested. The motion will be. This is Aliyev now a hero, even though he liberated some ruins with heavy losses. But there is a reason to trumpet Victory. And this rotten intellectual? Soros - suffered a major defeat. The country was in his hands ... almost. Everything, bye, bye!
                      1. astepanov
                        astepanov 9 October 2020 12: 55
                        +1
                        Wait and see. It looks like time is running out.
            2. yehat2
              yehat2 9 October 2020 11: 53
              0
              Quote: Temples
              Who will liquidate the Barmaleev?

              contraction in progress
          2. Aleksandr21
            Aleksandr21 9 October 2020 10: 36
            +2
            If you look in this regard, then I agree. Regarding the talks between the Foreign Ministries in Moscow, one can only greet, and on good grounds it is high time to end the war, the war between Azerbaijan and Armenia is not beneficial for us. those. we have economic ties with both countries, and we do not need a new conflict in the Caucasus. Moreover, the balanced policy of Russia in this matter is very pleasing, i.e. external players clearly want to drag us into this conflict so that we can militarily extinguish this conflict on the side of Armenia, but here are the consequences ... I would not be particularly surprised if, after our military intervention, tomorrow all local conflicts around Russia would flare up at the same time : Donbass, Transnistria, South Ossetia / Abkhazia, etc., this is not to mention the conflict with Azerbaijan + Turkey and possibly Georgia (after all, in addition to South Ossetia with Abkhazia), a land corridor to Armenia may be required ... therefore, to extinguish this conflict around Nagorno Karabakh is needed, but with diplomatic, economic and other mechanisms, until the entire region is on fire.
            1. Civil
              Civil 9 October 2020 10: 46
              -4
              With all the arguments against Armenia:
              1. The CSTO ally is defeated.
              2. Other allies understand that in the event of a conflict, Russia may not come to the rescue if there is a formal reason.
              3. Azerbaijan has completely passed under the military command of Turkey.

              As a result, the loss of influence over the entire South Caucasus. Another question is whether it was or whether it was necessary to have this influence at all. More importantly, assistance to a nominal ally or image loss.
              1. Gofman
                Gofman 9 October 2020 11: 14
                +9
                Somehow you informally interpret "the presence of a formal reason." Armenia neither recognized Karabakh, nor is in a state of war with Azerbaijan. They are trying to profit from everything.
                1. alexmach
                  alexmach 9 October 2020 12: 12
                  0
                  Armenia did not recognize Karabakh

                  Most likely, this was the result of the "reconciliation" of the parties in the 90s.
                  neither is at war with Azerbaijan

                  Specificity of the warrior of the 21st century.

                  And so, Civil above is very, very right.
              2. hrych
                hrych 9 October 2020 11: 15
                +8
                Quote: Civil
                With all the arguments against Armenia:
                1. The CSTO ally is defeated.

                1.No. NKR is not even recognized by Armenia. Armenia is protected from the attack by Turkey and even Azerbaijan Republic by the CSTO and Putin gave guarantees. Regarding the liberated ruins of Azerbaijani villages, the CSTO has nothing to do with it, and it has nothing to do with the RA Armed Forces.
                2. Other allies, namely ... the Turks. And a clear, illegal interference, for Kazakhstan and Kyrgyzstan, on the contrary, would be a bad sign. The Belarusians have just covered themselves with the CSTO shield, and the Tajiks are protected from the intrigues of the barmaley of Afghanistan, China, etc.
                3. What is under the Turks, what is not the Turks, does not play a big role. All the same, the army and generals are Azerbaijani. Aliyev used them, and they are lousy specialists. He himself hugged Khan and Erdogan here, but in his hand he held a crooked dagger wassat but this is only flattery and oriental cunning, he also "loves" Russia. If he feels a threat to the authorities, then five minutes and all the Turks will be thrown out. In Nakhichevan, the situation is slightly different, there is a border. And here he is trying to maintain control with the help of the same Turks.
              3. basmach
                basmach 9 October 2020 11: 19
                +8
                The CSTO has a clear position of all countries - Karabakh is not the territory of Armenia and the treaty does not apply to it. This time. Second, in the event of an attack directly on Armenia, a consolidated group of troops from all CSTO members will have to help in repelling - and not Mother Russia in the singular.
                1. Buka001
                  Buka001 9 October 2020 16: 11
                  +4
                  No matter how many literate people write here and speak on TV. Some "experts" at close range cannot recognize the fact that the battles are being fought on the territory of Azerbaijan !! Losses are being discussed, etc., why are they not discussing the most important question: What has Armenia lost in the seven occupied regions of Azerbaijan (okay, disputed Karabakh) ???? They regret the losses on both sides, they wish peace and the termination of the database. Since we are all such friendly union republics with a bright Soviet past, we cannot yell in chorus at Armenia to get out of the occupied regions. And then sit down at the negotiating table, under the guarantees of all republics led by Russia, discuss the status of Karabakh and the safety of all residents ?????
              4. Pavlos Melas
                Pavlos Melas 9 October 2020 11: 20
                +3
                1. The CSTO ally is defeated.
                2. Other allies understand that in the event of a conflict, Russia may not come to the rescue if there is a formal reason.

                In fact, the war is being waged in Karabakh, so the CSTO cannot be accused of non-interference.
                3. Azerbaijan has completely passed under the military command of Turkey.

                Azerbaijan has had a strong Turkish influence for a long time, so the Russian Federation has not lost anything.

                Armenia has long wanted closer cooperation with the West, so if the conflict fades out now, Russia has a way to strengthen its positions.
              5. tarabar
                tarabar 9 October 2020 11: 32
                +3
                Somehow I don't hear loud statements from other members of the CSTO. Belarus, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan are sitting quietly and do not shine. Everyone says that Russia is not helping Armenia, and the allies will think that they will not be helped either, if something happens. And what about these allies? Are these allies themselves not allies for Armenia? Or everyone needs a folder that will solve problems for you in which you, willingly or unwittingly, get involved. Where is the subjectivity and maturity of positions and responsibility for decisions? If someone has a desire to fight with the hands of the Russian army, I am AGAINST, there is a desire to help, please privately, no one has canceled the volunteers.
                1. g1v2
                  g1v2 9 October 2020 12: 43
                  +5
                  Lukashenko is Aliyev's best friend. All the other indicated CSTO members are Turks. Azerbaijan is much dearer to them than nationalist Armenia. If they will help, it will be more likely to the Azerbaijanis. request The only hope for the Armenians is our protection. Even their best friends and role models from Gabunistan closed the border with them and opened it to Turkish weapons.
                  In general, it seems to me that the NKR cannot be held by the Armenians alone. Aliyev overlaid them too competently. Although macaws are fighting well. hi In general, we take popcorn and watch the action.
                  1. Oquzyurd
                    Oquzyurd 9 October 2020 13: 24
                    0
                    A large amount of enemy military equipment was destroyed and captured. The Ministry of Defense of Azerbaijan reports this.

                    Other armored vehicles left by the enemy on the battlefield were captured by our units in working order.

                    Our army continues to deliver precise strikes against enemy military targets and military equipment.
                    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qh4u3PzQiGA&feature=emb_logo
                    1. g1v2
                      g1v2 9 October 2020 13: 34
                      +9
                      I would not advise you to wave your hats for now. Both sides have successes and losses are great on both sides. If you want to imagine a real situation, be guided by the database maps, and not by the videos on both sides. And it will turn out like the Finns in the Winter War. Success after success, the media were choking, savoring Soviet losses and bragging about the imminent victory. And then again - and an unexpected loss with the loss of territory. Moreover, it was a shock for Finnish society. They read every day about the terrible losses of the Red Army and the heroism of the Finnish soldiers, and that victory is near, and then once and a loss. request So far, neither side has a turning point. It can only be argued that Aliyev was much better prepared for the war than Pashinyan - both in terms of resources, militarily and in terms of diplomacy.
                  2. tarabar
                    tarabar 9 October 2020 15: 30
                    +1
                    Solitaire is of course extremely interesting. The Armenians, I don’t argue, are good warriors, the Azerbaijanis are extremely motivated, technically prepared and tactically Aliyev, yes, he overlaid the Armenians from all sides, which once again confirms this not a spontaneous attack, but a prepared and verified operation in time and place. But something tells me that things are not going according to plan on both sides. For some, the offensive is choking and the result is still minimal, for the second, territorial and material losses and the collapse of the worldview, when the West for whom two years rode on the squares very sluggishly provides only verbal support and spat upon Russia is in no hurry to lay down bones for their integrity. Speaking of integrity, Armenia itself did not recognize the independence of the NKR and it is like a military operation on the territory of another state. Now, if we were shouting, come on, our allies in the CSTO, let us help the LDNR together and defeat the Bandera adversary together, the answer, I think, is obvious. It's just that the time has come to fight them, a new generation has grown up, which does not know the horrors of the first war, and the rest of the memory has dulled, we are shown with what enthusiasm everyone rushes to recruiting stations. Only pain and suffering will lead to humility.
                    1. g1v2
                      g1v2 9 October 2020 22: 23
                      +2
                      Both sides have wanted this war for years. Simply because the status quo does not suit both. Azerbaijan understands that it can return the territory only by military means and now there is a window of opportunity for this. Armenia controls the territory, but cannot develop and use it, because it is officially not its territory and somehow it is possible to legalize it only through war. request
                      Plus tremendous tension on both sides due to coronavirus restrictions and falling living standards. 2020 gave shit to all countries. request Tch tension must be relieved and it is better in a war with the enemy, and not in the form of a Maidan. Both sides had to throw out the tension. am
                      Well, I don't think Aliyev expected a blitzkrieg. A territory that has been fortified for 30 years, defended by an equal enemy, cannot be easily taken. How many Kobanes in Syria cannot take. And there, after all, the barmaley do not have so much heavy weapons. request But it is quite possible to systematically gnaw through the defense of the Armenians, exchanging lives and equipment for kilometers. Armenia is in fact in a blockade and in the event of a large loss of equipment until the end of the war, they cannot really be restored. It is possible to transport several air defense systems there, but, for example, the Persians will definitely not let a regimental set of armored vehicles through. And Azerbaijan is constantly receiving arms from Israel and Turkey. request
                      The biggest disaster for the Armenians, I think, is the behavior of Gabunistan. For the Armenians they were an example to follow and a best friend, but here is such a betrayal. wink
                2. Buka001
                  Buka001 9 October 2020 16: 14
                  -1
                  The fact is that all CSTO members understand that Armenia is not right a priori in its irreconcilable position. Believe it were not for this intransigence, the Union would have gathered again long ago.
                3. Vasya Lozhkin
                  Vasya Lozhkin 10 October 2020 20: 57
                  +1
                  Why do Kazakhs need a beggar Armenia
              6. Scorpio05
                Scorpio05 9 October 2020 18: 08
                +1
                And who needs such a crafty, irresponsible and aggressive ally in the CSTO, who has a bunch of "plans" about the territories of neighboring states (despite the fact that the population has been melting by the day, and by the hour for a long time) and not having the implementation of the annexation of neither capabilities nor resources, wants to use the strength and protection of the CSTO to implement their annexation plans? Like an impudent boy, bullying the townsfolk passing by on their business, in the hope of a big uncle nearby. Is this alliance too risky?
              7. flicker
                flicker 9 October 2020 22: 11
                0
                1. The CSTO ally is defeated.
                Nagorno-Karabakh is not a member of the CSTO and, by the way, Armenia did not officially recognize it.
                In addition, the CSTO ally was offered and given the opportunity for more than 20 years to politically resolve the issue and the status of Nagorno-Karabakh with Azerbaijan under Russian guarantees.
                ---
                But no, they pulled the rubber, they say, everything will resolve itself and the Azerbaijanis will put up with the loss of Karabakh.
                As a result, now it looks like the Armenians will have to come to terms with the loss of Karabakh.
                ---
                At one time (late 80s), the war in Karabakh triggered the collapse of the Union. The collapse of the Union revived a whole host of problems and conflicts, the bloody consequences of one of them we are now seeing.
              8. ZEMCH
                ZEMCH 10 October 2020 23: 38
                0
                Quote: Civil
                1. The CSTO ally is defeated.

                Azerbaijan liberates ITS territory, the fighting is going on in the NKR, not on the territory of Armenia. Armenia did not recognize the NKR. If the DBs move to the territory of Armenia, the CSTO will fit in. 102 base in Gyumri first candidate for peacekeeping activities in NKR
                Quote: Civil
                2. Other allies understand that in the event of a conflict, Russia may not come to the rescue if there is a formal reason.

                Russia does not abandon its own people, Armenia did not ask for CSTO help
                Quote: Civil
                3. Azerbaijan has completely passed under the military command of Turkey.

                So they all learned how to use modern weapons there. Now learning by doing
                Quote: Civil
                As a result, the loss of influence over the entire South Caucasus. Another question is whether it was or whether it was necessary to have this influence at all. More importantly, assistance to a nominal ally or image loss.

                It is important now to achieve a truce and bring in peacekeepers. Withdraw the warring parties from the borders and return the inhabitants.
          3. Vladimir_6
            Vladimir_6 9 October 2020 10: 41
            +1
            Quote: hrych
            Now news has come that the talks between the foreign ministers in Moscow have been confirmed. The mistake of Armenia is the Soros, and the puncture of the AzR is the Barmaley.

            Belarus was tormented by Britain, Poland and the Balts, but the end was made in Moscow.
            In the Caucasus, Soros and Erdogan have appeared, but the messengers are already preparing for a meeting in Moscow.
          4. uranium
            uranium 9 October 2020 11: 40
            0
            In the era of technology, when everyone has a smartphone, there is not a single video of the fact that there is a barmale. And without facts, these are just fakes for the sake of the Armenian agitropist.
            1. hrych
              hrych 9 October 2020 11: 57
              0
              Quote: uran
              there is not a single video of the fact that there are barmaley

              sea ​​of ​​filming themselves wassat Moreover, Armenprop, if Naryshkin said, Macron and the State Department said. Therefore, with its Azeri propaganda, not to us wassat
            2. Vadim_888
              Vadim_888 9 October 2020 12: 00
              -1
              .
              0
              In the era of technology, when everyone has a smartphone, there is not a single video of the fact that there is a barmale. And without facts, these are just fakes for the sake of the Armenian agitropist.


              https://t.me/armenpress/41700

              Then comment on this, we look forward to it, is it your blogger, not yours, is it a fake?
              1. Alena-Baku
                Alena-Baku 9 October 2020 13: 34
                0
                This is not Gorediz, the presenter himself says something similar, but the video with the mercenaries from the PPK from the Armenian side does not cause controversy, about which Naryshkin, by the way, spoke and he is much more competent than the Armenian boradach.
          5. TermNachTer
            TermNachTer 9 October 2020 12: 07
            0
            Russia's task is to make the most of the current situation.
          6. g1v2
            g1v2 9 October 2020 12: 38
            +4
            One and a half thousand barmaley will definitely not make the weather. Moreover, their families are in Syria. The more they die in NKR, the less will remain in Afrin, Idlib and El Baba. Sooner or later, Idlib will still have to be cleaned, there are fewer tons of barmaleevs per thousand - that's not bad. And the Soros sit in Yerevan. They are unlikely to go to war - they will find someone to send.
          7. Buka001
            Buka001 9 October 2020 16: 02
            +2
            There are no Barmaleevs in Azerbaijan and will never be. Even those local who decided to take part in any groupings are caught, liquidated or imprisoned for very long periods. So if Azerbaijan needed barmaley, it would be stupidly released from prisons and into battle. Only at the request of Russia, many of them were detained and transferred to the Russian special services. This is very strict in Azerbaijan.
        2. Roman070280
          Roman070280 9 October 2020 11: 09
          -3
          And where is Russophobia ??
          It's about the conflict between Armenia and Azerbaijan, which is decades old already ..
          Or did Erdogan and Aliyev decide to punish Pashinyan for Russophobia ??)


          PS .. yes, Pashinyan was not some kind of ardent Russophobe .. always expressed himself neutrally ..
          1. ZEMCH
            ZEMCH 10 October 2020 23: 41
            +1
            Quote: Roman070280
            It's about the conflict between Armenia and Azerbaijan, which is decades old already ..

            Over 100 years old, first conflict in 1918
      2. halpat
        halpat 9 October 2020 10: 24
        +2
        Quote: Insurgent
        Quote: Kot_Kuzya
        Russophobia should be expensive, very expensive.

        In Turkish lira?

        while in Azerbaijani manats :)
        1. Nikanet
          Nikanet 9 October 2020 10: 51
          -7
          By the way, the Russian word coin comes from the Turkic word manat. wink
          1. halpat
            halpat 9 October 2020 10: 57
            -2
            Quote: Nikanet
            By the way, the Russian word coin comes from the Turkic word manat. wink

            money is also from tanga (tenge) - from somewhere in Khorezm, Bukhara, it seems.
          2. hrych
            hrych 9 October 2020 11: 23
            10
            Nonsense. Everything is exactly the opposite. The word "manat" comes from the Russian word "coin", which in turn is ultimately derived from lat. moneta, which means "Cautionary" or "Counselor". This title had the Roman goddess Juno - the wife of Jupiter. It was believed that she repeatedly warned the Romans about earthquakes, enemy attacks. On the Roman Capitol near the Temple of Juno Coins, workshops were located where metal coins were minted and cast. Hence their name, which ended up in most European languages.
          3. Aleksandr1971
            Aleksandr1971 9 October 2020 11: 23
            +6
            You are not right.

            The Russian word "coin" comes from the Latin word moneta.

            In ancient Rome, the courtyard where money was minted was located near the Temple of Juno of the "Counselor" Coin. From this Juno, banknotes were called coins.
    2. taiga2018
      taiga2018 9 October 2020 10: 04
      +3
      Quote: Kot_Kuzya
      All right, the end of the Soros.

      I would not be so optimistic, this is such a tenacious audience ...
      1. halpat
        halpat 9 October 2020 10: 26
        0
        Quote: taiga2018
        Quote: Kot_Kuzya
        All right, the end of the Soros.

        I would not be so optimistic, this is such a tenacious audience ...

        right now Soros will tense up, send them Charles Michel to help them, he will jump at the rally, sing in pure French and everything will go well laughing
    3. Olgovich
      Olgovich 9 October 2020 10: 09
      +6
      Quote: Kot_Kuzya
      that's all, the end of the sorrows. It was nehru to ride for Pashinyan's little soro in 2018 with Russophobic slogans. Russophobia should be expensive, very expensive.

      Come something erdogonyates.

      Those "Russophiles", yes!
      1. Kot_Kuzya
        Kot_Kuzya 9 October 2020 10: 17
        -2
        It is better to deal with erdogonyats than sorosets. Comparing the potentials of Turkey and the United States with Britain is simply incomparable.
        1. Garris199
          Garris199 9 October 2020 19: 15
          +1
          The United States and Britain will love Erdagonin no less, if only they crap on Russia more and the methods are not important to them.
    4. nnm
      nnm 9 October 2020 10: 14
      +9
      The more the blitzkrieg stalls, the more victorious the reports!
      1. Keyser soze
        Keyser soze 9 October 2020 11: 19
        +3
        The more the blitzkrieg stalls, the more victorious the reports!


        Exactly. And here is the Colonel Cassad-a map arrived in time. A very modest success for the blitzkrieg, the Turkish army, the barmaley and a cloud of drones.
        1. Scorpio05
          Scorpio05 9 October 2020 18: 49
          0
          Quote: Keyser Soze
          The more the blitzkrieg stalls, the more victorious the reports!


          Exactly. And here is the Colonel Cassad-a map arrived in time. A very modest success for the blitzkrieg, the Turkish army, the barmaley and a cloud of drones.

          In 12 days? This is not Afrin, who was taken for more than 2 months (with the massive use of aviation, etc.) In Karabakh and in the adjacent territory occupied by the Armenians hundreds (!) Of Armenian tanks, fortifications in the mountains, PO, electronic warfare, powerful artillery, MLRS (v. including Tornadoes and Hurricane), OTRK "Tochka-U" with which almost all (!) large cities of Azerbaijan are fired upon. And all this practically without the use of aviation by the Azerbaijani Armed Forces! Here the mountains are respected and echeloned defense with fortified areas and tunnels built for almost 30 years. This is not Aleppo, which was taken by the Syrians, Iranians, Hezbollah, Russian specialists, PMCs, Aerospace Forces, Afghans, Fatimiyun for almost six months. Nor is it the unblocking of Deir ez-Zor by the same forces, which lasted from early summer to late November.
          Also, as an example, we can cite the protracted, months-long assault on the Iraqis and their many allies (there were enough Iranians and proxies there for any short large-scale war) with the use of aviation and everything else, which was conducted in Mosul from March 24, 2016 to July 10, 2017.
          Another example is the operation of the Iraqi army, their Golden Division special forces, IRGC specialists, Hashdi Shabi militias and numerous Iranian proxies to capture the small empty city of Fallujah, which lasted more than a month. The Americans spent a little less on this town - 2 weeks. The "quick" assault by the "technological" Americans and the coalition of the abandoned Syrian town of Raqqa (population at the best time 300 thousand), which lasted from June 6 to October 17, 2017, was not much successful.
          This is against the slippers armed from the power of RPG, in the most extreme case, TOU-1 and on a relief level as a table, without the presence of heavy weapons and serious engineering structures and fortifications in the besieged.
          And the protracted siege of Palmyra from December 2016 to March 2017?
          These are all conflicts and examples of offensive operations in recent modern wars, carried out by the strongest armies in the world. And this is NORMAL in all cases, because it is dictated by the operational situation and theater conditions.
          Where is the esteemed military strategist here, even in one example of blitzkrieg?)
          1. Keyser soze
            Keyser soze 9 October 2020 19: 34
            -1
            Where is the esteemed military strategist here, even in one example of blitzkrieg?)


            Here I am about that - there is no blitzkrieg, it failed. laughing
    5. halpat
      halpat 9 October 2020 10: 29
      14

      resembles a Caucasian car service somewhere in central Russia.
      overhaul slyushi uh
      laughing
      1. nnm
        nnm 9 October 2020 10: 33
        +2
        Are you used to drawing the operational situation on the map in the form of photographs as well?
    6. Cyril G ...
      Cyril G ... 9 October 2020 11: 06
      -1
      TOTALLY TRUE !!!
    7. svoit
      svoit 9 October 2020 11: 13
      +2
      And if you were racing for Russia, what would it change?
  2. Alien From
    Alien From 9 October 2020 09: 49
    0
    On a talk show invite both parties, who shouted down whom ..., and people would be safe.
    1. PSih2097
      PSih2097 9 October 2020 15: 47
      0
      Quote: Alien From
      On a talk show invite both parties, who shouted down whom ..., and people would be safe.

      and Zhirik - put the arbiter ... laughing
  3. Livonetc
    Livonetc 9 October 2020 09: 53
    14
    There are even more trump cards in the hands of Azerbaijan before the upcoming negotiations.
    However, real negotiations may not exist without stabilizing the situation at the front.
    If the Armenian defense completely disintegrates, then there will be no question of dividing the territory.
    Nagorno-Karabakh, de facto, will become the territory of Azerbaijan in full.
    The negotiations will only concern ensuring the security of the Armenian population on the territory of Azerbaijani Karabakh
    1. Maki Avellevich
      Maki Avellevich 9 October 2020 11: 07
      +4
      Quote: Livonetc
      the negotiations will concern only ensuring the security of the Armenian population on the territory of Azerbaijani Karabakh

      in case of seizure / return (I do not know what is correct to apply) of Karabakh, Azerbaijan would be wise to announce the abolition of taxes for 5 years in the new territory. firstly, economic ties there are broken and they need time for rehabilitation.
      well, and show that there are economic benefits in joining.
      1. Aleksandr1971
        Aleksandr1971 9 October 2020 11: 31
        +4
        In the event of the seizure of Karabakh by Azerbaijan, the expulsion (or voluntary departure) of the ALL Armenian population will take place. Some of the rest will be stabbed to death, and some will become exemplary prosperous Armenians for the world media.

        Then Azerbaijan will abolish taxes there and bring ethnic Azerbaijanis there.
        And the world will react to the fact of outright genocide with sad blathering of some foreign media. And no sanctions against Azerbaijan (tea is not Russia).
        To this vyakanie Azerbaijan will pump from a high bell tower.
        1. uranium
          uranium 9 October 2020 11: 46
          0
          In the 90s, the Armenians expelled 700 thousand Azerbaijanis and everyone was silent. 30 thousand people live in Baku. Armenians. So the Armenians will always cry for any outcome.
          1. Vadim_888
            Vadim_888 9 October 2020 12: 09
            -3
            ... Baku is home to 30 thousand. Armenians.

            How many Armenians live in Sumgait?
            1. uranium
              uranium 9 October 2020 14: 39
              +2
              Speaking Baku, I meant in general Azerbaijan. Even an incident happened. Armenia fired at the city of Ganja, which was not in the combat zone because of the missile launched by the Armenian army, the Armenian Karina Grigoryan, among other things, the honored teacher of Azerbaijan, suffered. love
              So tell fakes about the massacre to not distant people, maybe they will believe
          2. moscowp
            moscowp 9 October 2020 13: 32
            0
            And after the massacre in Baku 30 years ago, hundreds of thousands of Armenians and Russians were expelled or fled from Azerbaijan. About 30 thousand Armenians in Baku is a fake, I have not seen any evidence of this.
            1. uranium
              uranium 9 October 2020 14: 33
              +3
              There is no need to talk nonsense and mislead 150 Russians live in Azerbaijan.
              More 350 Russian schools, in all universities, on a par with the state language, instruction is conducted in Russian.
              And now the question to fill in how many Russian schools the "only" Russian ally in the Caucasus has ???????

              Quote: moscowp
              I have not seen any evidence of this.

              What do you want the citizens of Azerbaijan of Armenian nationality to walk with a sign I am Armenian? laughing
              1. moscowp
                moscowp 9 October 2020 14: 50
                +2
                In 89, before the well-known events, 400 thousand Russians lived in Azerbaijan, after a few years there were 150 thousand.
                And how do you then know that there are 30 thousand Armenians in Azerbaijan, if they do not walk with signs?
                1. uranium
                  uranium 9 October 2020 14: 58
                  +2
                  Why pretend to be a hose ?? although you may not be pretending hi

                  Quote: moscowp
                  lived 400 thousand Russians

                  Well, if Russia withdrew the army contingent, then, accordingly, the families of Russian officers withdrew.


                  Quote: moscowp
                  How do you then know that there are Armenians in Azerbaijan

                  Is the passport office not talking about anything?
                  1. moscowp
                    moscowp 9 October 2020 15: 43
                    0
                    There is a census of the population of Azerbaijan, from which it can be seen that 2009 Armenians lived in Baku in 104, the remaining 120 thousand Armenians in the territory of Nagorno-Karabakh. So where did the 30 thousand Armenians come from in Baku and which of us is talking nonsense?
                    1. uranium
                      uranium 9 October 2020 21: 17
                      0
                      How do you ask such a question that it is not even convenient to answer laughing
                      Because the Armenians changed their names, for example Shakhnazarov became Shakhnazarov and TD TP)
                    2. uranium
                      uranium 9 October 2020 21: 25
                      +2
                      As I understand it, the number of Russians in Armenia is of little interest to you.
                      Although, as you say, Russians were expelled in Azerbaijan, but the paradox is that the number of Russians in Azerbaijan is practically stable, but in Armenia, for some reason, the number of Russians is less and less laughing
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            2. Scorpio05
              Scorpio05 9 October 2020 19: 43
              0
              This is an Armenian lie. Nobody drove the Russians out.
    2. svoit
      svoit 9 October 2020 11: 12
      +2
      Negotiations previously concerned only the security of the population, just then the Azerbaijani army was not able to provide it, I don't think that something has changed here now
      1. Livonetc
        Livonetc 9 October 2020 12: 21
        0
        Quote: svoit
        Negotiations previously concerned only the security of the population, just then the Azerbaijani army was not able to provide it, I don't think that something has changed here now

        Now we can talk about the introduction of international peacekeepers with full control of the territory and borders by Azerbaijani units.
        Perhaps, if Armenia has enough forces to suspend Azerbaijan's offensive, there will be a suspension of hostilities with the formation of a buffer zone.
        With this option, the most likely complete exodus of the Armenian population from the territory controlled by Azerbaijan.
        Further, the conflict can be frozen for a certain period with the prospect of continuation.
        Such a repetition is most likely if a peacekeeping contingent is not brought into the territory that remains under the control of Armenia.
        If, however, we see a suspension of hostilities, with a preliminary division of territories and the introduction of peacekeepers, this may mean a preliminary agreement and consent of the parties to the subsequent "long-term" division of Karabakh in the foreseeable future.
        It would be a very good outcome for everyone.
        In addition to the Anglo-Saxons, of course.
  4. PROXOR
    PROXOR 9 October 2020 09: 55
    +8
    Well, from the Armenians and Azerbaijanis, those are still warriors. The Azerbaijanis are now leading, as behind a powerful unmanned Turkish air wing. And so I agree with many who say that in 2018 they shouted Russia down, so let them rake them themselves. In an extreme case, there is a nearby "advanced" Georgian army equipped according to all NATO standards. Let them ask for help.
    1. Slon1978
      Slon1978 9 October 2020 10: 27
      +7
      For all the spectacularity of the video with drone strikes, the territory is still occupied (or liberated) in NKR is rather modest. In the video attached to the article, it is noteworthy that the UAV was hitting a single live target, I have not seen this before, apparently the cost of the ammunition is not too high. Nevertheless, I have a rather high opinion of the fighting spirit of the Armenians - in any case, they did not fall down, did not bring down their front in the fight against such a technically superior enemy. They do not shout about the missing cupboards, bulletproof vests and general happiness. They fight, die, fight back, hold on to the total superiority of Azerbaijanis in the air. If Azerbaijan does not finish the operation quickly, the NKR army will adapt to their tactics, this is already happening a little. The Azerbaijanis need to offer something tactically new if they really want to fully occupy the NKR, while the chances of this tend to zero.
      1. Slon1978
        Slon1978 9 October 2020 10: 39
        +5
        In the meantime, such a picture emerges that from the front edge of the NKR army they are cleaning all armor with UAV strikes. At the same time, this will not necessarily lead to the fact that the Azerbaijani army will immediately be able to knock out the NKR infantry from positions - the relief does not favor this, besides, the Armenians have carried out engineering training - trenches, pillboxes. Even without armor on direct fire, there is a chance that they will be able to hold on - subject to the support of their artillery (by targeting dangerous attack directions), using ATGMs and mortars. At the same time, the UAV will have to start working on infantry targets - and this is expensive. Precision ammunition is not endless and not cheap though. It is already dangerous to deepen the UAV 15-20 km from the front edge to work on the NKR artillery batteries, they will be shot down. I think Azerbaijan will stall further, this is inevitable.
        1. Oquzyurd
          Oquzyurd 9 October 2020 11: 08
          -4
          What infantry? If large countries do not stop Azerbaijan, in 2 weeks you can forget about the existence of the Armenian army. There will remain local mountain "partisans" who will eventually be reduced to zero. https://minval.az/news/124041208
          1. Slon1978
            Slon1978 9 October 2020 11: 16
            +6
            I understand your desire for this to happen. But the facts are that for the first two weeks - and the first stage of hostilities is traditionally the most successful - because there is an effect of surprise, shock, confusion in the battle formations and command, and so on - and so in the first 2 weeks the Azerbaijani army advanced (judging by the territory) very modestly. The losses were inflicted by tangible NKR armies, this is also a fact - both in equipment and in people.
            1. Oquzyurd
              Oquzyurd 9 October 2020 11: 27
              +2
              During all this time, the Azerbaijani Armed Forces have been grinding tanks, cannons and rocket systems, even now it continues. There will be progress, and a sharp one, if in a week the Great Countries do not stop the war in order to save the Armenians from the final defeat.
              1. Nastia makarova
                Nastia makarova 9 October 2020 11: 55
                -4
                you already give back !!! there will be a truce and you will explain that it stopped you
                1. Oquzyurd
                  Oquzyurd 9 October 2020 12: 07
                  -1
                  ))) I am not Aliyev, I can not solve such issues, forward or backward. According to military experts, Armenia can still hold out, but not at all for long, about 2 weeks. According to my observations, a little less ..
                  1. Nastia makarova
                    Nastia makarova 9 October 2020 14: 22
                    -5
                    Armenians have enough soldiers, there are also motivated fighters, I think there will be a truce, they will give Aliyev the Azerbaijani lands except for Karabakh
                2. svoit
                  svoit 9 October 2020 12: 55
                  +1
                  A truce is a way to achieve goals without a war, it is a good option if you do not like the results of the battles, as in the Donbass.
          2. nobody75
            nobody75 9 October 2020 12: 50
            0
            Today I accidentally heard One Grandmother telling two others about the war. Her story turned out to be very interesting ... She said that after the Armenians began shelling Azerbaijan from MLRS and OTRK, in order to avoid losses among the civilian population and problems associated with the flows of refugees with the supply of a group of forces in the NKR, Azerbaijan used its air defense system ... "Yes, not really!" - other grandmothers were surprised. "And interaction between the air defense of Azerbaijan and the command of the UAV fleet has not been established." - the first grandmother continued her story. As a result, Azerbaijan's air defense system completely cleared the sky ... of its drones. And now in Ganja there is a complete mess ...
            This very grandmother can be trusted, since she served in the SA (either as a nurse, or as a signalman) and is well versed in military affairs.
            Could you comment on this statement, at least for me personally - a non-military man who does not understand anything in the wars of the XNUMXst century.
            Sincerely
            1. svoit
              svoit 9 October 2020 14: 18
              0
              It is quite probable, otherwise it is not clear why the missile from the C300 flew into Dagestan.
              1. nobody75
                nobody75 9 October 2020 14: 34
                0
                I think this "grandmother" has prepared a multi-pass ... it's not over yet.
                With respect.
    2. Vadim_888
      Vadim_888 9 October 2020 12: 12
      -1
      ... ... In an extreme case, there is a nearby "advanced" Georgian army equipped by all NATO standards. Let them ask for help.


      If they rake them themselves (and there are good chances), then the Russian base may be asked with things to go
      1. svoit
        svoit 9 October 2020 12: 57
        +1
        By the way, the base and the CSTO are quite successful in ensuring Turkey's non-interference.
  5. Herman 4223
    Herman 4223 9 October 2020 10: 02
    -5
    Azerbaijan will most likely win, but the Armenians have something to lose there. They are fighting for their land there for their homes, so the blood will flow there for a long time. The next twenty years is a time of nightmare in these places.
    1. Cyril G ...
      Cyril G ... 9 October 2020 17: 40
      +1
      Quote: Aleksandr1971
      And shock UAVs are needed at the level of the company and above.

      What for? If you can use a small UAV to issue a control center for both art and Grad? Why do you need a strike UAV?
  6. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 9 October 2020 10: 05
    +2
    Where are the cards? Before the negotiations, the disposition of the troops, the main trump card!
    1. halpat
      halpat 9 October 2020 11: 24
      +5
      Quote: tralflot1832
      Where are the cards? Before the negotiations, the disposition of the troops, the main trump card!

      here are the cards smile peaks trumps
      1. tralflot1832
        tralflot1832 9 October 2020 11: 56
        -1
        If you play in a thousand, it may just not be a bitukh for 160, it will not be enough. Putin's VV has a heart beat for 220, maybe. The evening will show! good
  7. rocket757
    rocket757 9 October 2020 10: 07
    +7
    There was no victorious war!
    Worse, worse becomes EVERYONE!
    It is difficult to imagine how this conflict will be resolved now ... but it will have to be done. As always.
    1. Cyril G ...
      Cyril G ... 9 October 2020 11: 11
      +5
      Quote: rocket757
      There was no victorious war!
      Worse, worse becomes EVERYONE!


      It is quite obvious that the Azerbaijan Storm had to be carried out as soon as possible. It was advisable, together with the massacre, to keep within exactly five days. It is quite obvious that even a badly dodged Armenian army, in matters of preparation for war, and analysis of the events of the 16th year, nevertheless thwarted the plans of Aliyev and K. Whatever some gentlemen might assert here
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 9 October 2020 12: 06
        0
        Is it unlikely that Aliyev needed it ??? But you see, they overlaid it from all sides ... but, it was predictable! He, we can not very much wanted to be under the wing of the Sultan, but as always, he missed the situation, control was out of hand and now the "situation" rules everywhere and in everything !!!
        I doubt very much that he has a long time to rule ... the process has already begun !!!
        Further you can be ONLY WORSE, for us, at least!
      2. Vadim_888
        Vadim_888 9 October 2020 12: 23
        -7
        ... It was advisable, together with the massacre, to keep within exactly five days.


        Criminal Code of the Russian Federation Siatya 357. Genocide
        Or a call to him,
        Admins - Hello
        1. Cyril G ...
          Cyril G ... 9 October 2020 12: 43
          +1
          Riding low buddy, these are not my plans and appeals. But quite Azerbaijani.
  8. yfast
    yfast 9 October 2020 10: 09
    +6
    The Azerbaijani Foreign Ministry needs to walk to the Kremlin, as they are still counting.
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 9 October 2020 10: 56
      +2
      Are you serious?
      Leading at 200?
      You tell the MOTHERS on both sides of the fight! I think they will "thank you" as it should.
  9. yehat2
    yehat2 9 October 2020 10: 12
    0
    Aliyev counted on the first shock impact, but it turned out to be insufficient.
    The Armenians, with difficulty, stabilized the situation.
    And they were helped by the Azerbaijani commanders, because the infantry of Azerbaijan does not act very competently, it is often substituted.
    And in this situation, the Armenians see that it is quite possible to hold on and win.
    1. Aleksandr1971
      Aleksandr1971 9 October 2020 11: 38
      0
      The Armenians did not stabilize the situation.

      The front line has not changed yet because the Azerbaijanis are still busy with the successful destruction of Armenian military equipment. When this technique is over (and apparently soon it will be), then the front line will begin to move.
      1. yehat2
        yehat2 9 October 2020 11: 48
        +1
        it is not technology that will decide the outcome, but the competent use of cash.
        I think that the use of reconnaissance, camouflage and artillery is enough for the Armenians to make Azerbaijan forget about the chances of victory. And the outcome, in my opinion, depends only on 2 things - the determination of the Armenians and how professional their command staff is.
      2. Vadim_888
        Vadim_888 9 October 2020 13: 52
        +1
        ... the successful destruction of Armenian military equipment. TO

        It will run out of its own equipment, Iran will drive a new one, the Caucasus is not alive by Erdogan alone, Iran has its own interests there
  10. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 9 October 2020 10: 21
    +4
    the discipline of the personnel was violated.
    Difficulties in translation or the Azerbaijani side really explains it this way. It can be understood that the Armenians began to consume alcoholic drinks and go AWOL. Regarding the abandonment of their positions, the Armenians also showed how smartly Azerbaijani fighters were running. Probably you will have to wait until they fight, and then sit at the negotiating table.
  11. Yalquzaq
    Yalquzaq 9 October 2020 10: 36
    -7
    the Armenian spirit is so strong that this morning 09.10.20/XNUMX/XNUMX they threw pneumatic dummies produced jointly with Poland ..
  12. fn34440
    fn34440 9 October 2020 10: 37
    -12 qualifying.
    There is only one way to completely end the conflict between Armenia and Azerbaijan: by uniting them within the Russian Federation.

    However, there is another way: the entry of Nagorno-Karabakh into the Russian Federation. Other methods will not work. Neither side will attack the territory of Karabakh, which is under Russian patronage. And interethnic strife immediately disappears where Russian law enforcement officers and Russian soldiers appear. At the same time, both Armenians and Azerbaijanis can live in Karabakh, engage in economic activities there - there are no problems with this.
    This step will pinch and scallop the crowing Fuehrer of all Janissaries, ISIS and Jabhat al-Nustr, a caring contractor for the supply of millions of illiterate Muslims from all over the world to Enlightened Europe.
    1. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I 9 October 2020 11: 35
      +3
      Quote: fn34440
      There is only one way to completely end the conflict between Armenia and Azerbaijan: by uniting them within the Russian Federation.

      How can you blurt out something like that? And to the Russians this is a Nuno association? I think not! And the Armenians, Azerbaijanis are not going to think about it! No.
      1. fn34440
        fn34440 9 October 2020 11: 44
        -7
        "And for the Russians, is this a Nuno association?"
        If not nuno, then sit you or your children and wait for NATO or Erdoganyats with Jabhat al Nusra to accumulate in the soft underbelly of Russia and cut it open with their drones and Israeli Lors - operational-tactical missile systems with solid-propellant ballistic missiles and others toys.
        1. Vadim_888
          Vadim_888 9 October 2020 12: 28
          -1
          ... If not nuno, then sit you or your children and wait for NATO or Erdoganyats with Jabhat al Nusra to accumulate in the soft underbelly of Russia and cut it open with their drones and Israeli Lors - operational-tactical missile systems with solid-propellant ballistic missiles and others toys.

          Start building a fortified area on your 6 acres
        2. Nikolaevich I
          Nikolaevich I 9 October 2020 18: 14
          0
          Quote: fn34440
          NATO or Erdoganyats with Jabhat al Nusra will accumulate

          Oh! You have a rare and little-known profession: "professional scarecrow"! You have a different nickname Scarecrow? I wonder what you are trying to think? You are trying to scare us by the fact that Azerbaijan will win ... and "Erdoganyats from Dzhebhat an Nusra" will rush there! And for some reason it does not come to your mind that Azerbaijan is a secular state, and he has a lot of odious "barmaley" to greet ... it's somehow "not according to fen shui"! And now let's consider your favorite option - Armenia will win! And you think that horseradish will be sweeter than a radish? And the fact that the Armenian leadership headed by Pashinyan is called "Soros's team ... Soros ..." is it "violet" for you? And what other options do you have? Azerbaijan will win - "Erdoganyats with Jabhat an Nusra" will be drawn! Armenia will win with Pashinyan - "NATO will accumulate"! Have you ever tried to be friends with logic? And then, something is not noticeable!
          1. nobody75
            nobody75 9 October 2020 19: 01
            0
            Modern logic can be "ternary". The number 3 is very close to the number e - Euler's number ... But what if Russia wins? What's wrong with this scenario?
    2. Aleksandr1971
      Aleksandr1971 9 October 2020 11: 41
      +1
      Nonsense you said.

      Why does the Russian budget need to take over the Caucasus? Is it not enough of its own citizens? And then also the Russian guys to fight with the Armenians and Turks who rebelled for independence?
      And Karabakh for Russia would be just a new item of expenditure. So healthcare without money is dying.

      Russia would join Germany or Switzerland.
      1. fn34440
        fn34440 9 October 2020 11: 53
        -7
        "Nonsense you said.

        Why does the Russian budget need to take over the Caucasus? "
        Yes. Build "nurseries of culture" every 100 meters, Zenit stadiums, the Vostochny cosmodrome with 9 thousand shortcomings and billions of dollars in embezzlement, idle South Streams, and so on. credited ruinous oil and gas pipelines are the REAL GOAL of the Russian budget.
        One criminal export of timber, with the participation of VORYUG from the authorities, cost Russia TRILLION dollars for 29 years.
        Analyze your stupidity.
        Russia's security is above all! And more expensive.
      2. Vadim_888
        Vadim_888 9 October 2020 12: 31
        -3
        .
        Why does the Russian budget need to take over the Caucasus?

        I agree, it is necessary to remind the height of the Caucasian mountains on the border with Arzeibadzhan and Georgia, to block all roads and to gaminate the sea areas so that not a single depression crawls (by the way, the problem with garbage in Moscow will be solved, there will be where to take it out))))))
        1. Vadim_888
          Vadim_888 9 October 2020 13: 40
          -1
          ... remind
          - build up
          ... gamify
          -mine
          ... hollow
          -snake
      3. DED_peer_DED
        DED_peer_DED 9 October 2020 12: 53
        +2
        Quote: Aleksandr1971
        Russia would join Germany or Switzerland.

        There are more Muslims there than in the entire Caucasus.
  13. iouris
    iouris 9 October 2020 10: 44
    0
    The war is won 96%.
    1. Nastia makarova
      Nastia makarova 9 October 2020 11: 58
      -3
      who has won?
      1. Stas157
        Stas157 9 October 2020 12: 21
        -1
        Putin. And who else! He always conquers everyone. Four times in Syria, two times in Donbass ... Just don't tell Erdogan, otherwise he will shoot down the plane again.
        1. Nastia makarova
          Nastia makarova 9 October 2020 14: 22
          -3
          we had no doubt that he
    2. Vadim_888
      Vadim_888 9 October 2020 12: 33
      0
      ... The war is won 96%.

      You did not specify by whom
  14. trophy
    trophy 9 October 2020 10: 51
    +2
    Either the Armenians have run out of equipment, or the Azeris have UAVs and guided munitions until they use laughter in the infantry. And our conclusions should be made on the effectiveness of the military air defense presented by the Armenians precisely by our models and the need to saturate the troops with shock UAVs. Waging war with a more or less regular army is not for you to drive tramps in the Syrian desert.
    1. Aleksandr1971
      Aleksandr1971 9 October 2020 11: 43
      -2
      I will assume that reconnaissance UAVs are needed in our army at the level of each infantry platoon and even squad. And shock UAVs are needed at the level of the company and above.
    2. PROXOR
      PROXOR 9 October 2020 12: 34
      0
      Let me remind you that the barmaley in Syria with enviable regularity are trying to break through the air defense of the Khmeimim base. At least they managed to inflict some damage during the first raid. Further, how many times have not tried, to no avail. But the drone strike on the Saudi oil refinery was much more destructive. The Patriot-based air defense screwed up specifically and the striped ones realized that they needed a short-range air defense system. And the stinger will not save here.
      1. trophy
        trophy 9 October 2020 13: 37
        +1
        Thanks for the reminder, of course, but I'm aware of it. Only what was shown does not in any way pull on industrially manufactured UAVs and guided munitions. They tried to cover Khmeimim with the help of some kind of handicraft made on the knee. And in this situation, the level is different, hence the problems with air defense.
        1. Cyril G ...
          Cyril G ... 9 October 2020 17: 43
          0
          Quote: Trofim
          They tried to cover Khmeimim with the help of some kind of handicraft made on the knee.


          Khmeimim was repeatedly fired with rockets from the Grad and the Tornado. Everything is intercepted. In the region of 70-80 targets. And a homemade UAV made of paper and rails is no easier to intercept than that Harop
  15. north 2
    north 2 9 October 2020 10: 54
    +3
    that Azerbaijanis or Armenians, so fingers like a fan - we are independent, we are Europeans, why do we need Russia,
    we are independent, Russia owes us, not we owe her. So let them beat each other's muzzles now, as they are equally independent. And Russia should only watch aside so that in this scuffle
    independent and independent Turkey did not fit. Just as Russia does not fit. Beat your face to your health, if you are not able to build your own states, yelling that you are independent, but over thirty
    for years they themselves have not taken any steps to resolve the problem in NK. We all need some kind of intermediaries. Now in Minsk, now in Kazan, now in Moscow. And when now it was not a mediator to stop the conflict, but the leader of the conflict, who appeared in Turkey, so the Azerbaijanis and Armenians woke up and remembered that they had been sitting on a mine for thirty years but did not even scratch to neutralize this mine on their own.
    But no, Russia knows what to say to her and how to act, so that you would live together again and without massacres,
    as in the days of Tsarist Russia and the times of the USSR. Apparently, thirty years ago, Russia showed
    not thought out and you invaluable mercy and gave you freedom and the right to build independent states. This happens if an ignoramus provides an advance. Will skip, skip, squander
    they will fight, but the construction is still standing still. So you, either fight among yourself, or fight inside yourself and thus also create danger for Russia. So both will march to Russia and again Azerbaijanis and Armenians will hug and live in harmony. But you also forgot that during the Soviet era the RFSSR subsidized you in huge sums so that you would sit comfortably on the neck of Russia. So there is still a very big question - do Russia need you now ...
    1. fn34440
      fn34440 9 October 2020 11: 14
      0
      What kind of Aliyev, what kind of Azerbaijan, what kind of oil hyper-mega-incomes, transferred to the world's most advanced, innovative weapons of mass destruction with a poorer Azerbaijani population?
      Mad "pan-Turkist" dreams of Erdogan and the Turkish General Staff will run.
      While Russia was asleep and spent the whole summer building at the expense of the Military Budget, another ruinous popular princess temple made by religious opium for the people.
    2. 75 Sergey
      75 Sergey 9 October 2020 19: 00
      0
      nafig-nafig, they are now in Sochi, St. Petersburg and Moscow is full, and let me catch my breath after the Crimea.
  16. maktub
    maktub 9 October 2020 11: 16
    0
    Someone wrote yesterday about the "spirit":
    "In the course of the operational-search actions undertaken by the National Security Service [of Armenia], factual data were obtained that N.M., who was appointed deputy commander of the communications platoon of military unit N of the Defense Army [NKR] under the conditions of martial law, and who served in combat position N, together with the foreman of the same position, spread false rumors among his colleagues that the Armenian authorities had reached an agreement on the surrender of territories. He expressed the opinion that in such conditions, their performance of combat missions is meaningless. "
    / statement of the RA NSS /

    According to Sputnik Armenia, the actions of the detainee significantly affected the moral and psychological state of the servicemen, some of whom, succumbing to the provocation, left their place of service and refused to fulfill their military duty.
    #Karabakh

    @new_militarycolumnist
  17. Pavel57
    Pavel57 9 October 2020 11: 17
    +1
    Quote: Nikanet
    By the way, the Russian word coin comes from the Turkic word manat. wink

    And the English word money also comes from the word manat?
    1. Aleksandr1971
      Aleksandr1971 9 October 2020 11: 46
      +2
      Rather the opposite.

      The word "coin" is of ancient Roman origin.
      It was the Muslims who borrowed the European names in matters of finance.
      For example, "dirham" comes from the Greek "drachma" and "dinar" comes from the Roman "denarius".

      Only the Russian word "money" comes from the Mongolian "tanga".
  18. Vladimir61
    Vladimir61 9 October 2020 11: 22
    +5
    Two nazbols playing deadly football. Those who shout most of all and call for war are sitting at home, and the rest are being driven into the trenches - to defend their "homeland", and in passing, their personal political and economic well-being, which allows them to continue chomping from the state trough.
  19. Tagan
    Tagan 9 October 2020 11: 31
    +1
    Quote: Civil
    With all the arguments against Armenia:
    1. The CSTO ally is defeated.
    2. Other allies understand that in the event of a conflict, Russia may not come to the rescue if there is a formal reason.

    According to claim 1. where exactly is the CSTO ally defeated? On your territory? No.
    According to clause 2. Other allies should conclude that it is not worth organizing conflicts on dementia themselves or deliberately, hiding behind the CSTO and organizing frames for Russia. And so, as mentioned in the comments, Putin directly gave guarantees. Subject to the occurrence of an "insured event")))
  20. yfast
    yfast 9 October 2020 11: 37
    +1
    Quote: rocket757
    Are you serious?
    Leading at 200?
    You tell the MOTHERS on both sides of the fight! I think they will "thank you" as it should.

    Many mothers support this kind of action, at least as long as the son / husband / brother is not at war. And when the funeral for his son is brought, he will lose something, be taken prisoner, then another matter.
  21. yehat2
    yehat2 9 October 2020 11: 57
    -1
    Quote: hrych
    Regarding the liberated ruins of Azerbaijani villages

    where are the Azerbaijani villages?
    Even all the efforts of the republic in recent years of the USSR to colonize the region by Azerbaijanis were able to increase the number of Azerbaijanis from only 4% to 18. (I think, in reality, this figure was much lower) Now the percentage has been reduced to zero, and what are we talking about Azerbaijani villages?
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    2. Vasya Lozhkin
      Vasya Lozhkin 10 October 2020 21: 09
      0
      Armenians have been living there since the beginning of the 19th century
  22. Old26
    Old26 9 October 2020 12: 00
    +2
    Quote: Civil
    With all the arguments against Armenia:
    1. The CSTO ally is defeated.
    2. Other allies understand that in the event of a conflict, Russia may not come to the rescue if there is a formal reason.
    3. Azerbaijan has completely passed under the military command of Turkey.

    As a result, the loss of influence over the entire South Caucasus. Another question is whether it was or whether it was necessary to have this influence at all. More importantly, assistance to a nominal ally or image loss.

    1. And there is no war between Armenia and Azerbaijan. so there is no one to "fit in". Although everyone understands perfectly well that when they say Nagorno-Karabakh, they mean Armenia. But formally, there is no military action between Armenia and Azerbaijan.
    2. It may not come if there is no external invasion. This is how we are now asked to intervene in the internal showdown in Kyrgyzstan. She is also a member of the CSTO ...
    3. This cannot be said yet. No facts, just media stuff

    Quote: fn34440
    There is only one way to completely end the conflict between Armenia and Azerbaijan: by uniting them within the Russian Federation.

    Thanks, but better not. If Azerbaijan is still financially advanced, then Armenia will practically become a parasite.

    Quote: fn34440
    However, there is another way: the entry of Nagorno-Karabakh into the Russian Federation.

    Have you looked at the map for a long time? All transportation will have to be carried out through other countries: Azerbaijan, Iran, at worst Georgia (which is unlikely). Everything that will be delivered there will be "golden" ....
    Geographically, Karabakh is not even Kaliningrad, although it has access to the sea and a ferry connection with Russia

    Quote: fn34440
    And interethnic strife immediately disappears where there are Russian law enforcement officers, Russian soldiers. At the same time, both Armenians and Azerbaijanis can live in Karabakh, engage in economic activities there - there are no problems with this.

    At the first stage, it is quite possible. But gradually the locals will begin to consider soldiers and law enforcement officers as occupiers. An example is demonstrations in Armenia with corresponding posters. Even in the days of the USSR, law enforcement agencies in the same Karabakh were from the local, Russians, if they were, then only a few.
  23. rotfuks
    rotfuks 9 October 2020 12: 24
    -1
    Drones play an important role in this conflict. What is characteristic of these drones are Israeli. I don't think that the Turks have mastered the full production of UAVs. Most likely they are assembled from Israeli components. That is, for all our dislike of the Muslim world, we are witnessing the fusion of Israeli technologies with their ideological opponents.
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 9 October 2020 12: 48
      +4
      "I don't think that the Turks have mastered the full production of UAVs" ///
      ----
      We have mastered it completely. All electronics included.
      1. DED_peer_DED
        DED_peer_DED 9 October 2020 13: 03
        0
        Quote: voyaka uh
        We have mastered it completely.

        What did Canada supply them then?
      2. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 9 October 2020 14: 03
        -1
        At least, they will replace it with Chinese, if Canada and France stop supplying something.
      3. nobody75
        nobody75 9 October 2020 19: 09
        0
        They also mastered the software. And your servers - Turkish?
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 9 October 2020 13: 20
      +1
      Last year, the Turks raised a new strike UAV significantly superior to Bayraktar TB2
      Bayraktar Akıncı -
      Length: 12,5 m
      Wingspan: 20,6 m
      Height: 4,1 m
      Maximum take-off weight: 4500 kg
      Payload: 1350 kg
      Internal: 450 kg
      External: 900 kg
      Power plant: 2 turboprop engines AI-450T with a capacity of 450 hp. each
      Maximum flight time: 24 hours
      Practical flow: 12 192 m
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 9 October 2020 14: 04
        0
        This is already a class above. Reaper analog.
      2. Lesorub
        Lesorub 9 October 2020 16: 25
        +2
        The Turks also have Anka in various modifications.
  24. Victorm
    Victorm 9 October 2020 13: 19
    -1
    We are all gathered here, only private persons, whose opinion, let's face it, is not of interest to the governments of Russia, Azerbaijan, Armenia, EU countries, etc. But we continue to arrange politeses over and over again.
    For example, there are no barmaleevs on the territory of Azerbaijan, this is not yet officially confirmed by the SVR with reliable information and facts, do not confuse the statement made officially with Naryshkin's interview, these are different things.
    More than once he offered to show those flights to those who most often commemorate dozens of flights - I will notice NOBODY so far I have not given evidence, but many I know have looked. Indeed, in the context of the coronavirus pandemic and the reduction in air traffic between countries associated with this, "dozens of flights" are now not a needle in a haystack.
    One of the local old-timers who turned out to be friends in the world, apparently they betrayed me or mistakes or turns, and we often communicate on a professional resource - he gave it out, they say, Naryshkin said ... Hmm, I ask him a counter question, Putin, what did he say about our average salary , but what about the timing and re-run? ...
    "Guys, let's live peacefully" - that is, it is useless to lie at least to each other, so for a long time we have been reading the newspaper Pravda as Soviet citizens - between the lines. I'm tired of it. There is no reliable evidence and facts, there is no need to become a cheap, or rather a free servant of ANY of the parties to this conflict and in general.
    1. 75 Sergey
      75 Sergey 9 October 2020 18: 56
      0
      How strange it is that you correct the audience's opinion
  25. Victorm
    Victorm 9 October 2020 13: 28
    0

    Today's strikes.
    1. Vasya Lozhkin
      Vasya Lozhkin 10 October 2020 20: 52
      0
      Pashinyan kaput
  26. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 9 October 2020 14: 02
    0
    There is only one way out. Request to join the Russian Federation.
  27. uranium
    uranium 9 October 2020 14: 10
    +1
    Quote: hrych
    Quote: uran
    there is not a single video of the fact that there are barmaley

    sea ​​of ​​filming themselves wassat Moreover, Armenprop, if Naryshkin said, Macron and the State Department said. Therefore, with its Azeri propaganda, not to us wassat

    Well, of course, you are a master at taking out of context, but for some reason you did not see about extremist Kurdish groups from Naryshkin's statement. Just wondering how do you imagine the PKK will fight on the side of Azerbaijan? laughing Although Armenia closely cooperated with the PKK and there is evidence that the Lebanese and Syrian Armenians have been fighting in Karabakh for a long time. \
    I think everyone knows what they rely on about the State Department and Macron.
  28. svoit
    svoit 9 October 2020 14: 26
    0
    Quote: Vadim237
    Last year, the Turks raised a new strike UAV

    Thor may not be enough for this
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 9 October 2020 16: 09
      0
      Yes, the range of ammunition for him is impressive from free-fall small-caliber bombs to gliding guided bombs and tactical missiles with a range of more than 200 kilometers.
      1. nobody75
        nobody75 9 October 2020 19: 19
        0
        Flight mission for cruise missiles - in the air? Is it okay that a tactical missile flies a little faster than an entogo bayraktar? Will the "Bear" fly around the border like? Will he illuminate the target for the gliding bomb himself? The only point in attack drones is to engage in multi-domain operations in network-centric warfare. When creating a normal network of the battlefield, neither tanks will burn, nor will uav strikes, nor will they suffer from "friendly" fire.
        Sincerely
    2. Cyril G ...
      Cyril G ... 9 October 2020 17: 49
      0
      What is missing? Pipelats big flies slowly. Against Layered Air Defense - Meat ..
  29. Lesorub
    Lesorub 9 October 2020 15: 37
    +4
    Meanwhile, the Azerbaijani Defense Ministry notes that the fighting in the conflict zone continued all night

    Almost complete advantage of Azerbaijan in the air - drones are already hunting for manpower in the trenches, the Armenians have nothing to cover the equipment on the march, the headquarters are in the same position - (in the video, abandoned armored vehicles - when several units were hit from the air, the rest was thrown) - sad consequences for the Armenians ...
  30. tacet
    tacet 9 October 2020 16: 49
    0
    If everything is so good, then why did the foreign ministers meet in Moscow !? Or do resources run out on both sides ?!
    1. Cyril G ...
      Cyril G ... 9 October 2020 17: 50
      0
      Quote: tacet
      Or do resources run out on both sides ?!


      I suppose from both sides.
      1. tacet
        tacet 9 October 2020 22: 31
        0
        Side is a feminine word, it means to write correctly this way: both sides, on both sides
  31. georggy
    georggy 9 October 2020 17: 04
    0
    Chatter and nothing more.
  32. Victorm
    Victorm 9 October 2020 17: 54
    0
    Quote: tacet
    If everything is so good, then why did the foreign ministers meet in Moscow !? Or do resources run out on both sides ?!
    Only recently the broadcast of the address to the nation by the President of the Republic of Azerbaijan Ilham Aliyev ended. The settlement of Hadrut, the villages of Chayly, Yukhari Guzlek, Gorazilli, Gishlag, Garajaly, Efendiler, Suleimanli and Sur were liberated from the occupiers. For a long time and culturally, as far as possible, he explained that Pashinyan was doing ... he was doing, now he licks his boots and calls the heads of all major states, etc., humiliating both Armenia and the Armenian people. They say once shouted "Karabakh is Armenia" and period, then where is everyone, why are you waking up from the battlefield.
    Azerbaijan is conducting successful hostilities, negotiations are the initiative of the opposite side and the heads of a number of leading countries. Aliyev drew attention to the fact that they all said "there is no military solution to the liberation of the occupied lands" (this is a fact, with each exacerbation of the trend, this nonsense is all from Moscow to Washington, from the CSTO to NATO), but today the opposite is shown, and we, Azerbaijan, decide since there was no other way out, now the military, and then, following the results of our victories and by political means, we force the occupier to peace by force, since 28 years he was deaf to all our peace initiatives.
    In Moscow, only one withdrawal schedule can be discussed, now we can speak directly, the remnants of the Armenian army from the occupied territories, in order to avoid further bloodshed. If this does not happen, hostilities will continue and no one will be able to stop Azerbaijan, we do not claim foreign territory, but we do not intend to leave one inch of our own under occupation.
    The talks in Moscow, this is the last one, Ilham Aliyev emphasized, HISTORICAL chance for Armenia, no, the talks are ending, we are finishing it.

    Against this background, Armenia once again tried to strike at the Mingechevir hydroelectric complex, according to official information, the missile was shot down by Azerbaijani air defense forces at an altitude of 20 km. According to eyewitnesses, Azerbaijani anti-aircraft gunners fired two missiles (two contrails converged at the site of an explosion in the air), both hit the target.


    The Azerbaijani Defense Ministry reported for the day on the destruction of MLRS, by the way, yesterday and today 2 units were also handed over. Chinese WS-80. The most important thing, in my opinion, was that the radar stations of the invaders and their EW forces were destroyed.
    Link to the official channel of the Ministry of Defense of Azerbaijan, see who is interested, I do not want to repeat the practice of laying out takes, it has already been several times:
    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCp9m21a2rI1_0DItLvHcuCw
    Come on and subscribe, they tell the truth good

    In Khankendi (Stepanakert), polite little people from the Russian Federation, while their tasks are not clear, but in fact they and Kocharyan are in control of the situation.

    Well, the most important and interesting thing for the Russians, in Armenia, gradually, from hunting for "alarmists" who dared to spread the truth about what is happening in Karabakh and Pashinyan's fiasco, they are moving on to hunting down traitors. In fact, the days of Pashinyan are already numbered, he will be torn apart by the Armenian mothers of whose sons he ditched with his stupidity and then sent to the slaughter, not being able to stick his tongue deeper, continuing to lie and give vain hopes.
    1. Vasya Lozhkin
      Vasya Lozhkin 10 October 2020 20: 54
      0
      Glory to Azerbaijan
  33. Victorm
    Victorm 9 October 2020 18: 17
    0

    Although in his own ornate way, he conveyed everything correctly in clear and simple language.
    In fact, the strike group of the occupation forces, a kind of fist, the blow of which the enemy could quite quickly direct in any direction in the north or south, was utterly defeated by the Azerbaijani army.
    He only overlooked one thing that parts of the occupying Armenian troops, which had retreated deep to the west and thus pulled out (lured) the Azerbaijani troops upon themselves, although theoretically retreated to advantageous positions, in principle, they also fell into a trap, in short, the suicide bombers and their defeat, now just a matter of free time. The fact is that the reserves and volunteers cannot know this area well, despite the fact that the Azerbaijani special forces are there at home in the literal sense, and as at home in a figurative sense.
    So everything will now depend on negotiations in Moscow, the longer, the more occupants will be destroyed there.
  34. Victorm
    Victorm 9 October 2020 18: 31
    -1


    These are photos that Yury Podolyaka refers to in his video. Who has not been lying on the couch with popcorn all his life, having examined the photo, will perfectly understand that these modern WARRIORS of the army of winners! Which does not need any hired mongrel from Syria or from anywhere else, whose victory, whose professionalism, devotion to the Motherland, the people and dedication, they wanted to belittle and humiliate with Hayev's fairy tales.
  35. 75 Sergey
    75 Sergey 9 October 2020 18: 51
    0
    Now our rulers of Russia would not want to sweeten the pill for the Armenians at the expense of the inhabitants of Russia.
    Although it is smart enough not to go into this swamp, Armenia is losing territory and these are its problems.
  36. Victorm
    Victorm 9 October 2020 19: 06
    0
    Quote: 75Sergey
    Now our rulers of Russia would not want to sweeten the pill for the Armenians at the expense of the inhabitants of Russia.
    Although it is smart enough not to go into this swamp, Armenia is losing territory and these are its problems.

    The big question is who is there now acting as "polite people" and took control of Khankendi. It can be either regular special forces of the Russian Armed Forces, or conditionally mercenaries or semi-mercenaries like Wagner and Company.
    The civilian population has almost left Khankendi, so that "polite people" can be hit by both Azerbaijani artillery and UAV attacks. So what else is there to figure out on whose order and with whose consent they are there, and who they are, with whom their activities are coordinated, this is a regular unit or "robber Cossacks." How can I be so exactly, except for the Armed Forces of Azerbaijan, anyone who is there with weapons should be destroyed, but the upper echelons in the Russian Federation are not homogeneous, I would not want another war because of the private initiative of some Russian general or oligarch, to end this war.
  37. Scorpio05
    Scorpio05 9 October 2020 19: 55
    -1
    Quote: moscowp
    There is a census of the population of Azerbaijan, from which it can be seen that 2009 Armenians lived in Baku in 104, the remaining 120 thousand Armenians in the territory of Nagorno-Karabakh. So where did the 30 thousand Armenians come from in Baku and which of us is talking nonsense?

    The families of numerous servicemen of the 4th Army of the Zak.VO and the Caspian Red Banner Flotilla who left back to Russia did not count? And those who left the war in Karabakh in the 90s (it was dumb for the people in Baku, the Armenians blew up the Baku metro 2 times, for example) and from the economic devastation caused by you did not consider? About Russian economic migrants in the Russian Federation and other CIS countries, there were quite a few of them and Azerbaijanis, they also "forgot")
  38. Scorpio05
    Scorpio05 9 October 2020 19: 57
    -1
    Quote: Keyser Soze
    Where is the esteemed military strategist here, even in one example of blitzkrieg?)


    Here I am about that - there is no blitzkrieg, it failed. laughing

    It was not planned.
  39. Scorpio05
    Scorpio05 9 October 2020 20: 17
    -1
    Quote: Herman 4223
    Azerbaijan will most likely win, but the Armenians have something to lose there. They are fighting for their land there for their homes, so the blood will flow there for a long time. The next twenty years is a time of nightmare in these places.

    Are they fighting for "their Armenian" lands in Fizuli, Jebrail, Kelbajar, Lachin, Kubadly, Zangelan, Aghdam districts of Azerbaijan? Before the war, inhabited exclusively by Azerbaijanis.
  40. Scorpio05
    Scorpio05 9 October 2020 20: 33
    -1
    Quote: yehat2
    Quote: hrych
    Regarding the liberated ruins of Azerbaijani villages

    where are the Azerbaijani villages?
    Even all the efforts of the republic in recent years of the USSR to colonize the region by Azerbaijanis were able to increase the number of Azerbaijanis from only 4% to 18. (I think, in reality, this figure was much lower) Now the percentage has been reduced to zero, and what are we talking about Azerbaijani villages?

    You are not in the subject. We are not talking about Nagorno-Karabakh itself, but about 7 internal Azerbaijani regions inhabited exclusively by Azerbaijanis before the Armenian occupation.
  41. Vasya Lozhkin
    Vasya Lozhkin 10 October 2020 20: 49
    0
    Even poor fellow Armenians do not have time to reach the shelter