“You have to squint. The green glow is intense ": the USA presented a report on the causes of the fall of the F-35 in Florida

The USA presented the results of the investigation, which is connected with the fall of the fifth generation F-35 fighter in Florida. This happened in May of this year with a fighter of the 58th Fighter Squadron of the 33rd Air Force Wing of the USAF. The plane carried out a scheduled night flight. Moreover, for the United States then it was the loss of the second 5th generation fighter in less than a week - before that, the F-22 Raptor was lost.

The US Air Force report says that before the fall of the F-35A "gave the pilot a lot of problems." The pilot reported problems with the operation of the multimedia helmet, the oxygen system, and the software of the on-board electronic flight control system.

At the same time, it is noted that the main factor that caused the fall of the aircraft was the loss of control over the speed mode - the landing speed was high (202 knots, about 374 km / h), the pilot could not reduce it against the background of numerous technical problems that arose.

However, the published report also states that the pilot himself made many mistakes while piloting. But it is immediately added that these mistakes were made by an experienced pilot, probably for the reason that he was tired from trying to solve technical problems and from lack of oxygen.

Interpretation from the report:

The pilot was fatigued, in part due to problems with the oxygen system, leading to cognitive decline, while the offset display on the helmet also signaled that he was distracted at a critical moment.

It was noted that the multimedia helmet was technically sound, but when the pilot performed various manipulations, it turned out to be shifted relative to the horizon. There was also a failure of the so-called visual projection, which led to a number of additional problems.

For example, under the conditions of a night flight, this led to a sharp jump in brightness on the visor (display) of the helmet - an intense green glow appeared, the pilot reported to the ground that he had to squint in order to somehow see the illumination of the runway.

From the text of the report - about the pilot's message:

I have to squint. The green glow is intense. Difficult to distinguish between the lights on the lane. Helmet problems.

The on-board computer at that moment gave the F-35A pilot the information that the position of the aircraft needed to be corrected, since for such a speed (indicated above) it was too low. The pilot began to make attempts to correct the position of the fighter, but further exacerbated the situation, focusing on the offset helmet display.

Then the pilot ejected. The plane was lost.

It was noted that several problems with the F-35A were confirmed - this is the ability of the multimedia helmet to disorient the pilot in the event of a shift in the visor, as well as the problem with the oxygen supply. Dozens of American F-35A pilots have continued to complain of fatigue during the flight due to lack of oxygen for several years.

Comments

[BDRM 667]

Dozens of American F-35A pilots have continued to complain of fatigue already during the flight due to lack of oxygen for several years.

No matter what they say, but even the US military has a budget not rubber. You have to save. In this case, on oxygen for the pilots.

Let them not fatten, and breathe every other time

[nnm]

I think this is a great reason for the Pentagon to beg for another couple of tens of billions of dollars for its contractors. And then Russia is about to attack, and the helmets are not working !!!

[Lipchanin]

Quote: nnm

, but the helmets are not working !!!

Oxygen is expensive, and therefore not enough.

I have to squint

Way out, recruit pilots from Asians

[g1washntwn]

Quote: Lipchanin

Way out, recruit pilots from Asians

Laughing gas or something else to mix in the cylinder to cheer up. They have legalization there, and their eyesight is better and more fun.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: g1washntwn

and the eyesight is better and more fun.

Well, he definitely sharpens his vision, you will see what is not

[mitroha]

So I didn't understand, but throw off the helmet and visually sit on this pepelatse in any way? When throwing off the helmet, the plane considers the pilot dead and self-destructs or what?

[Vol4ara]

Quote: Lipchanin

Quote: nnm

, but the helmets are not working !!!

Oxygen is expensive, and therefore not enough.

I have to squint

Way out, recruit pilots from Asians

It didn't help the Japanese

[Lipchanin]

Quote: BDRM 667

Let them not fatten, and breathe every other time

Or fly with their own

[Incvizitor]

Let them fly lower with an open lantern, all the same, these nags can barely drag.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Incvizitor

all the same, these nags barely trudge.

Well, shame on you !!!
He's already a whole FIFTH generation !!!! Lightning

[Vanya]

Sanya does not need to risk yourself. Auntie asks to fly lower (Kaverin "Two Captains").

[Lipchanin]

Quote: vanya

Sanya does not need to risk yourself auntie asks to fly lower

And quieter
I read somewhere, grandma asked her grandson to fly lower and quieter
Well, or how Chonkin answered the question about how planes fly fast
When it's low, it's fast. And how high is so slow

[NEXUS]

Quote: BDRM 667

Let them not fatten, and breathe every other time

If you look at what's going on in the United States over the past year, then the problems with the F-35 seem insignificant ...

[Charik]

do not wrap the starlet-all black

[Charik]

Serves you right, to you there negros unwound

[seregin-s1]

The pilot didn't know about the glass of water on the control panel!

[yehat2]

well, yes, at night you see him perfectly

[neri73-r]

Quote: seregin-s1

The pilot didn't know about the glass of water on the control panel!

This is an American pilot, he, unlike ours, does not take a bottle of vodka with a glass in flight!

[Lipchanin]

Quote: seregin-s1

The pilot didn't know about the glass of water on the control panel!

He should have put whiskey and soda there

[zwlad]

Maybe he knew.
Yes, where can I get it.

[Iline]

In my opinion, the guys played a lot in their childhood in computers on aircraft simulators, where you can always start all over again and have a couple of "lives" in the bargain. So they are designing, do not understand why and why. Man becomes superfluous

[Senka naughty]

Quote: Iline

In my opinion, the guys played a lot in their childhood in computers on aircraft simulators, where you can always start all over again and have a couple of "lives" in the bargain. So they are designing, do not understand why and why. Man becomes superfluous

And really, if you think about it, it would be scary in the pilot's place. When all this expensive toy begins to "live" its own life, blocking your oxygen with a view, for reasons completely beyond your control, but continues to fly normally. You will feel superfluous, a report - bailout - dismissal on your own.

[Nikolay Ivanov_5]

It was the Chinese comrades who succeeded in supplying electronic components for the production of pilot life support and control systems for F-35 aircraft. As a result, airplanes have problems with the operation of the multimedia helmet, the oxygen system, and the software of the on-board electronic flight control system.

[Egoza]

Well at least the pilot ejected. In general, PEOPLE! But when will you settle down with military equipment? And something for peaceful purposes, no?

[nnm]

It is forbidden now to send soldiers to agricultural work. So, twist yourself

[BDRM 667]

Quote: Egoza

PEOPLE! But when will you settle down with military equipment? And something for peaceful purposes, no?

As part of the conversion, it is possible for peaceful purposes ...

[Lipchanin]

Bastards, take off your green berets.

[seregin-s1]

Actually, this is the Military Review website, https://topwar.ru/.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: seregin-s1

Actually, this is the Military Review website, https://topwar.ru/.

Yes, I do not want to

[mark2]

But when will you settle down with military equipment? And something for peaceful purposes, no?

Never, from the word never. Throughout their history, both written and pre-written, people only did what they fought. This is evolutionary nature. Everything and everyone around is destroyed. The environment, and it includes neighboring peoples, is brought in line with the ideas about the comfort of people.
With what pleasure today's hegemony would have dealt with the unwanted, if the unwanted themselves could not destroy it.

[nnm]

A question to the professionals, why didn't the pilot just take off his helmet and land the plane using visual reference points and instruments? Ours fly "under the curtain".
Apologies in advance for the stupid question.

[Reviews]

Yes, a normal question.

Quote: nnm

why didn't the pilot just take off his helmet

I didn't understand this point either. Removing it quickly will not work - there is too little space above the helmet - but raising this "visor" is a matter of half a second. Apparently, he was completely worn out because of the listed problems. Confused. It is more incomprehensible to me why he did not go to the second round in order to catch his breath (in every sense) and not repeat the run in a calmer state.
And "flying under the curtain" is an instrument flight, and you offer it a visual approach.

[nnm]

Yes, I understand that on instruments. I meant that theoretically, he could land on the instruments, although since the lights on the strip are on, then there are visual cues. And then he ran into a faulty helmet and that's it. And to be honest, I also did not quite understand about the lack of oxygen ... he was at a low altitude, why should he breathe the mixture, knowing about the problems of this system, if he could breathe normal atmospheric air. And I also agree with you, if he sees that he does not hit the target of the runway, and the main systems of the aircraft are working normally, why didn't he just go around? But this is already the nagging of the couch flight expert on my part.

[Reviews]

Quote: nnm

Yes, I understand that on instruments. I meant that theoretically, he could land on the instruments, although since the lights on the strip are on, then there are visual cues. And then he ran into a faulty helmet and that's it.

Well, this "talking cap" made his brain so much that it was already having difficulty thinking. Yes, on the lane with serviceable lighting equipment there are all the tips for a normal approach and landing, moreover, on the MFD, everything is probably duplicated, including the course and glide path information. Park, "fucking factor". Maybe he already switched the air supply, but did not have time to wake up: the approach speed is increased, the runway is approaching, the height also decreases faster than used to - AAAAA !!! Well, and pulled the handles ...
Perhaps it is true that pilots are increasingly turning into operators - there is no familiar automation, already a problem. And a couple more factors are added - the loss of a car.

[Bez 310]

Quote: Avis

pilots are increasingly turning into operators - there is no familiar automation, already a problem. And a couple more factors are added - the loss of a car.

Yeah...
This is how you need to be an "operator" to make problems
in a helmet and with oxygen led to the loss of the car?
Perhaps they don't tell us something ...

[Reviews]

Quote: Bez 310

Quote: Avis

pilots are increasingly turning into operators - there is no familiar automation, already a problem. And a couple more factors are added - the loss of a car.

Yeah...
This is how you need to be an "operator" to make problems
in a helmet and with oxygen led to the loss of the car?
Perhaps they don't tell us something ...

Well, in general, oxygen starvation for the brain is a real problem ... You never know what he got there ...

[Bez 310]

Quote: Avis

Well, in general, oxygen starvation for the brain is a real problem ...

I am aware, and I myself have faced oxygen starvation,
and comrades found themselves in unpleasant situations. But if
to be honest, even after my adventures with
oxygen, did not wear an oxygen mask, just held
her next. It interferes ...

[Avior]

They write that the problems were not in the helmet, the helmet itself is working

... It was noted that the multimedia helmet was technically sound, but when the pilot performed various manipulations, it turned out to be shifted relative to the horizon. There was also a failure of the so-called visual projection, which led to a number of additional problems.

[Reviews]

Quote: Avior

They write that the problems were not in the helmet, the helmet itself is working

... It was noted that the multimedia helmet was technically sound, but when the pilot performed various manipulations, it turned out to be shifted relative to the horizon. There was also a failure of the so-called visual projection, which led to a number of additional problems.

Actually, this suggests that the helmet was faulty. Software is now as much a part of technology as transistors and optical fiber. If the software malfunctions and the helmet began to lie, not giving out information adequate to reality, the helmet is faulty by definition. This is about the mechanical aviagirizont you could still say "technically sound, but the pilots drove the An-24 into conditions when the artificial horizon" collapsed "and" shifted from the horizon "", but not about the digital pribluda.

[Avior]

A helmet is only a visual display device.
There could be failures in the early stages, starting with the cameras.

[Reviews]

A helmet is only a visual display device.

Hmm? :)

Quote: Avior

when the pilot performed various manipulations, he was shifted relative to the horizon. There was also a failure of the so-called visual projection, which led to a number of additional problems.

For example, in the conditions of a night flight, this led to a sharp jump in brightness on the visor (display) of the helmet.

It is written in black and white that the helmet itself was buggy: from uncontrollable brightness to some kind of problems with an incomprehensible orientation of the helmet inside the cockpit. This is clearly a failure of some sensors in the helmet itself, reporting about its tilt and Cartesian coordinates (laser gyroscopes and accelerometers). Therefore, most likely, the artificial horizon on the visor shifted relative to the real one. The pilot keeps his head straight, and the avionics thinks he tilted his head to the left and leaned forward slightly.

[Avior]

Helmet flash is a consequence, not a cause

... in the conditions of a night flight, this led to a sharp jump in brightness on the visor (display) of the helmet - an intense green glow appeared

There is nothing about problems with the orientation of the helmet in the article, if you have information about this, drop the link, it is interesting to read.
And I have a suspicion that his orientation is in polar coordinates, so it is more logical.
However, I do not insist.

[Reviews]

Quote: Avior

if you have any information about it, drop the link, it's interesting to read.

There is no such information, there is an assumption. I see no other reason why the artificial horizon of the helmet has ceased to coincide with the real one.

And I have a suspicion that his orientation is in polar coordinates, so it is more logical.

All the same, the initial information comes from the three-axis accelerometer and from the gyroscopes.

[Avior]

there, initially, the image from six cameras is stitched into a single picture, even before the helmet.
the failure may be there as well.
especially since the problem was not only in him.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Bez 310

This is how you need to be an "operator" to make problems
in a helmet and with oxygen led to the loss of the car?
Perhaps they don't tell us something ...

They all agree. It is necessary to read the article not diagonally

The US Air Force report says that before the fall of the F-35A "gave the pilot a lot of problems." The pilot reported problems with the operation of the multimedia helmet, the oxygen system, and the software of the on-board electronic flight control system.

At the same time, it is noted that the main factor that caused the crash of the aircraft was the loss of speed control - the landing speed was high (202 knots, about 374 km / h), the pilot could not reduce it against the background of numerous technical problems that have arisen.

Yes

Perhaps they don't tell us something ...

Shouldn't he you to finish talking

[Bez 310]

Quote: Lipchanin

He shouldn't tell you something

Yes Yes...

[URAL72]

There was no normal atmospheric air in the cockpit. It was spoiled by the pilot when he decided that it was Russian hackers who were affecting the work of onboard electronics ...

[g1washntwn]

Quote: nnm

And then he ran into a faulty helmet and that's it

Have you seen pedestrians walking across the road with their smartphones? Well...

[voyaka uh]

Oxygen was dragged here just like that, for this occasion
he has no relation.
The helmet requires hours of training on simulators.
Not all pilots are capable of living in virtual reality for many hours.
Therefore, the F-35 is more willing to take young people who are used to screens,
virtual glasses and other gadgets.

[Piramidon]

Quote: Avis

but to raise this "visor" is a matter of half a second.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: nnm

why didn't the pilot just take off his helmet

Or maybe he just didn't understand that the visor was displaced?

focusing on the offset display

[SARANCHA1976]

It was noted that the multimedia helmet was technically sound, but when the pilot performed various manipulations, it turned out to be shifted relative to the horizon. There was also a failure of the so-called visual projection, which led to a number of additional problems. Amazing statement

[carstorm 11]

well, maybe they are bolted to the head) you never know reasons)))

[FenH]

Quote: SARANCHA1976

It was noted that the multimedia helmet was technically sound, but when the pilot performed various manipulations, it turned out to be shifted relative to the horizon. There was also a failure of the so-called visual projection, which led to a number of additional problems. Amazing statement

[Lipchanin]

When I watched this moment, I burned with laughter

[FenH]

Quote: Lipchanin

When I watched this moment, I burned with laughter

Louis de Funes is handsome in this film, although I liked him more in Fantomas

[Lipchanin]

Quote: FenH

Louis de Funes in this movie is handsome,

I don't remember his bad roles at all

[SARANCHA1976]

Big fire walk

[Mountain shooter]

And in battle, during overloads? Or do they sincerely believe that the "penguins" will shoot our fighters with super-duper missiles only by extremely smoothly maneuvering from afar? In short, you drag the F-35 into a maneuverable battle, at high G-forces, the pilot's helmet gets knocked to the back of the head, and it falls by itself ... economy jokes as a joke, however, such failures leading to the loss of the aircraft are alarming. And if Russian hackers have already "made their way" into the software of these fighters and put "bugs" in them ... what does it cost them if they even elect the president of the United States?

[Alien From]

A direct example of over-computerization.

[voyaka uh]

Computerization is never excessive.
Only insufficient.
It is difficult for the "old generation" to get used to it (I myself belong to it, alas) -
but it is so. Whoever has better computers, networks, sensors, displays will win.
No personal skill, intuition, courage, heroism is able to outplay
soulless, unemotional and - at the same time - ultra-fast computer.
Pilots who cannot adapt to such helmets will retire from the Air Force.
Whatever aces they are.

[Antokha]

But a technique without a person acts predictably, and if a person finds even the slightest flaw in it, he immediately uses it, and will use it against all copies of such a technique, but she will not be able to grow wiser before the next upgrade. This situation is beautifully illustrated in the film Teens in the Universe.

[SARANCHA1976]

Provided that all this will work stably in a global war

[askort154]

The more complex the technique, the higher the probability of failure. A pilot accustomed to flying in "automatic" modes, when all flight parameters are calculated for him by the "technique", then if it fails, it is not so easy for him to quickly figure out the reason for the failure, and quickly make the right decision in order to avoid the transition into an "emergency". Once the pilots had no idea about "automatic flight modes", they worked with their heads, arms and legs, and when leveling up on landing, they felt the "ground" with their "butt". The more experience, the higher this "sensitivity".
Nowadays it is not just pilots who fly, but pilot-operators "programmers".

[voyaka uh]

"Now, not just pilots fly, but pilot-operators" programmers "" ////
----
Absolutely right.
And, I will add, very soon others will not be in demand.

[nnm]

Well, don't tell me. Since we are hurrying up the time, why not assume the pilot's chipping with exchange with the ship's systems and the combination of the advantages of a person and a program?

[voyaka uh]

EVERYTHING will be chipped in 50 years.
Without a built-in chip, you will be registered at the district clinic
will not. This will become a medical norm, like taking a blood and urine test.
The military, the officers, you are right, the use of biotechnology will occur earlier.
No one has been surprised for hundreds of years by the glasses on the nose.
Nor will they be surprised by IR lenses with a chip inserted into their eyes. Moreover, they are not visible.

[Jager]

Soon the "pilot" of the SU-67 will be sitting somewhere near Penza in a comfortable armchair, controlling the fighter from a smartphone. As well as the tankers. And the battles of drone armies will become commonplace.

[voyaka uh]

Something like this ... Like a computer shooter between two teams of gamers. Both funny and scary.

[123456789]

Quote: URAL72

There was no normal atmospheric air in the cockpit.

Where does he come from if the oxygen system is connected to the "exhaust pipe"

[aszzz888]

It was noted that several problems with the F-35A were confirmed - this is the ability of the multimedia helmet to disorient the pilot in the event of a shift in the visor, as well as the problem with the oxygen supply. Dozens of American F-35A pilots have continued to complain of fatigue during the flight due to lack of oxygen for several years.

Well, so much has already been said and written on these topics! And the penguins keep falling. Only some concerned not comrade. the site continues to be filled with nightingales, praising the Merikatos rattle.
Pi.C. Now they will flock, they will be furiously minus.

[APASUS]

It was noted that several problems with the F-35A were confirmed - this is the ability of the multimedia helmet to disorient the pilot in the event of a shift in the visor,

It turns out interestingly. The F-35 pilot helmet is made for each pilot individually and costs serious money, but when the pilot performed various manipulations, it turned out to be shifted relative to the horizon.
And for what such grandmas?

[Reviews]

Quote: APASUS

It turns out interestingly. The F-35 pilot helmet is made for each pilot individually and costs serious money, but when the pilot performed various manipulations, it turned out to be shifted relative to the horizon.

Maybe this is the problem? The pilot's too square head did not allow to properly place any block in a too tight helmet ...

[APASUS]

Quote: Avis

The pilot's too square head did not allow to properly place any block in a too tight helmet.

Or maybe the main goal was to make money? Therefore, the product is not without flaws

[nnm]

Clamped $ 3000 on a roll of military tape of individual stickiness)))

[tralflot1832]

We have such peoples in Russia who do not need to squint when aiming. And we live together.

[faterdom]

We must support Greta Tuborg, allocate 20-30 lard from the US budget for oxygen, which is so lacking for American pilots. But in order for her to be comfortable and dry, she should not tell her how much of this oxygen is burned in one flight of the fighter.

[iouris]

The MiG-15 pilots in Korea also had to squint, and the MiG-21 pilots in Vietnam ...

[Doliva63]

There was a pilot with us, he served in Vietnam in the early 70s, he said that ours did not participate in battles there - they only gave instructions. Intercept flights were prohibited. Nevertheless, from us - the Red Star, from the Vietnamese - also some kind of order, I don't remember. But he assured that he did not have a single combat sortie.

[kombat1976]

It's not about oxygen, it's about EMP. But let them poke around, we will not prompt.

[PilotS37]

"A miracle of hostile technology!" (FROM)

[Zhevlonenko]

This is the downside, electronic splendor, the slightest failure like a house of cards pulls a bunch of systems along with it, and a tired pilot, already overloaded with a bunch of information from dozens of systems, is simply lost and cannot do anything. And during the fighting, the pilot will not have the resources to fight?

[nnm]

So they seem to be hoping that invisible they will approach the range of the weapon, shoot back and go off to drink beer. You sit, you press buttons for yourself, you already imagined yourself second after God ... and then these evil, unpredictable Ivans from all sides

[Ax Matt]

Well, what are you as small children, matrsniki ?! You need to be creative if oxygen is not enough ... booty breathe! LGBT people are not in vain in your ranks: they will teach.

[Charik]

Su 27 on analogs - this is an airplane - no unnecessary glow and interference in the helmets software

[kig]

For anyone interested, the full text of the report can be found here:
https://www.airforcemag.com/docs/type/accident/

[Skai]

it’s cheaper not to finish the helmet, but to stuff the ventilators into the plane so that the poor American pilots don’t suffocate.