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"Kaliningrad will be surrounded": the Polish press on the possible "destruction" of part of the Baltic Fleet of the Russian Federation

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Polish and Estonian coastal missile batteries are able to practically lock up the Russian fleet in ports. The Kaliningrad exclave, deprived of supplies by sea, will thus be surrounded, in a kind of "cauldron", which only ground forces can break through through the Baltic and the Suwalk Isthmus.


How to lock up the Russian fleet


This opinion is expressed by Maksymilian Dura on the pages of the Polish edition of Defense24:

The Bastion and Balov batteries deployed in the Kaliningrad region have changed the situation for NATO ships in the Baltic Sea, while coastal missile systems in Poland and Estonia will change the situation for the Baltic Sea. fleet Russian Navy.

In his words, the possibility of effective use of anti-ship missiles against the Russian fleet comes down to the following conditions: maximum flight range (over 220 km); an impressive array of launchers in Estonia; powerful target detection system (involving ships and sea aviation); cover and camouflage PU; parallel artillery strike against military targets in the Kaliningrad region.

However, these requirements are clearly not in favor of NATO. Polish coastal missile launchers are guided by the TRS-15C radar at a distance of 40 km. The Russians have reason to believe that the same situation will repeat itself in Estonia. But it is quite possible to fill this gap, for example, through the active use of drones at low altitude, which will allow them to "snuggle" to the water and evade detection by Russian radars. Moreover, the air defense systems of the most modern ships of the Baltic Fleet of the Russian Navy have a range of 150 km.



Normal shells to help


According to the author, the approach distance of conventional shells will make it possible to cope with the task of destroying a part of the fleet located in Baltiysk without resorting to the use of anti-ship missiles in this sector.

According to him, in the event of a switch to new means of detection in Poland and Estonia, the Russians will not be able to defend even the route from Kronstadt to Baltiysk. Due to the lack of specialized vessels, they will not be able to conduct large landing operations. Apparently, saboteurs are being deployed instead.

Summing up, the author hopes that reason will prevail in relations between Russia and NATO countries.

However, Russian reality is far from ideal due to the important role of propaganda and ambitions of admirals and generals.

- concludes the Polish expert, relying on the "conscientiousness" of ordinary citizens of the Russian Federation, who "can personally be convinced of the high standard of living characteristic of Western countries."

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  1. Ilya-spb
    Ilya-spb 9 October 2020 07: 36
    46
    From year to year I read ... Kaliningrad, Suwalki ...

    Why are the Poles so worried?

    I cannot but quote VS Chernomyrdin as an answer to the Poles: "If your hands itch, scratch it in another place."
    1. olegfbi
      olegfbi 9 October 2020 07: 43
      21
      I cannot but quote VS Chernomyrdin as an answer to the Poles: "If your hands itch, scratch it in another place."

      Here you can recall another statement and draw an analogy ...
      Andrei Gromyko - instead of the Bosphorus, we can build two more straits, but Istanbul, unfortunately, will not be

      Something completely lost the coast "proud Baltic ...". am
      1. nnm
        nnm 9 October 2020 08: 04
        25
        Apparently, the intention of our potential partners is not complicated:
        1. An attempt to destroy the Baltic Fleet
        2. Scandinavian friends mine the Baltic, just in case
        3. Poland and the Baltic region of Micronesia, after the deployment of anti-tank units in the near future, put a barrier in the Suwalki corridor
        4. Waiting for the arrival of overseas friends, hoping to hold out for 76 hours.
        I still don’t understand how they hope to simultaneously block both the Kaliningrad group and the "mainland" forces of Russia. Probably, also with a flank attack, preferably from Belarus they want to pin down the main forces.
        It is strange that all this has no basis in the form of Russia's transition to the use of nuclear weapons. Perhaps they hope for the final coming to political power of their people and see the likelihood of a military scenario in the form of a Russian army that did not obey the political decision. Then, in principle, everything comes together in a logical picture. And the more valuable Belarus is for us.
        1. Zoldat_A
          Zoldat_A 9 October 2020 08: 20
          15
          Quote: nnm
          Apparently, the intention of our potential partners is not complicated:
          1. An attempt to destroy the Baltic Fleet
          2. Scandinavian friends mine the Baltic, just in case
          3. Poland and the Baltic region of Micronesia, after the deployment of anti-tank units in the near future, put a barrier in the Suwalki corridor
          4. Waiting for the arrival of overseas friends, hoping to hold out for 76 hours.

          The idea is good. Another bad thing - the surname of the "expert" downright according to Freud - Maksymilian Dura... No wonder the article wrote his last name in the Latin alphabet - in the Cyrillic alphabet, VO would automatically erase ...
          As you name the boat, so it will float ... (c)
          What is the author - so is the plan ...

          By the way. In 2008, one "warrior" in Georgia was also waiting for "the arrival of overseas friends." Probably still waiting ...
          1. neri73-r
            neri73-r 9 October 2020 08: 45
            +7
            Quote: Zoldat_A
            Probably still waiting ...

            I didn't wait, I went to visit them myself. laughing
            1. krot
              krot 9 October 2020 12: 01
              +8
              The Poles are really tight .. Do they think that if they try to unbalance our fleet with the Balts in the Baltic, we will not erase Poland and the Balts together? And let's take a little more of the most noisy ones)
              It's like attacking one ship in a squadron and hoping that the rest of the ships will go further and will not respond with fire)))
              The EU will definitely end on such hopes of the Poles) And there will be an autonomous western region. The British, as they knew that there were few brains in Europe, disconnected))
          2. Lipchanin
            Lipchanin 9 October 2020 09: 38
            +3
            Quote: Zoldat_A
            Probably still waiting ..

            I ran half of the geyrope looking for
          3. Vladimir Mashkov
            Vladimir Mashkov 9 October 2020 10: 56
            +2
            No, well, sofa, journalistic, pro-government and political "strategists" in Poland know arithmetic well ... But they do not take into account one thing: they are RUSSIANS, RUSSIANS !!! yes yes yes
            1. Essex62
              Essex62 9 October 2020 12: 08
              -8
              AND...? June 22, 1941 began, stopped only in November 42, leaving the entire European part of the country, hundreds of thousands of killed and wounded, prisoners.
              The second time will not work, the conditions of warfare have changed, technical equipment and it is not in our favor.
              It is not necessary to build yachts, ships, calibers in the thousands. Everything is in the balance, the country can be lost. And the main thing for fighters is a receiver, "muscular" to look for. After all, all consumers will hand over.
              Our highly professional army is opposed by ten superior forces, the same pro-fighters. It remains only to bury the whole world. Well, how will they pick up the key and neutralize it. I, as a reservist, want to be able to fight to the last not with my bare hands.
              1. Zoldat_A
                Zoldat_A 9 October 2020 13: 42
                +5
                Quote: Essex62
                I, as a reservist, want to be able to fight to the last not with my bare hands.

                I'm not even a reservist anymore. But if it is necessary - not that I will fight with my bare hands - I GIVE THROAT TEETH ...
                1. Essex62
                  Essex62 9 October 2020 15: 45
                  0
                  I am in age, in general, too. But it will be possible to reach their throats only when the cities are in ruins and they come to finish off. Late.
              2. Vladimir Mashkov
                Vladimir Mashkov 9 October 2020 14: 36
                +4
                I believe that with TODAY'S Putin the option "June 22" is excluded. I hope that both the successor and his followers will not be more stupid. The work on additional equipment is underway. Can't you see? As for a potential adversary, it has always been this way! And the Russians are not cowardly, do not do arithmetic. They BATTLE when the time comes.
                1. Zoldat_A
                  Zoldat_A 9 October 2020 16: 34
                  +4
                  Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
                  I believe that with TODAY'S Putin the option "June 22" is excluded. I hope that both the successor and his followers will not be more stupid.

                  The Sverdlovsk Drunkard and his State Department sponsors "made a mistake" with the receiver - they would have something "neither fish, nor meat" like Medvedev - so, to warm a stool. I gave him an iPhone and let him play. Does not go where it is not necessary. Until now, for Russia, the 90s would have lasted. Ukraine would seem to us to be the Promised Land today ... To us, this is those scraps of territories that would have remained from Russia ...

                  God forbid that Putin also does not justify their hopes ... The State Department is really hoping for 2024. We, too.
              3. Piramidon
                Piramidon 9 October 2020 15: 23
                0
                Quote: Essex62
                It is not necessary to build yachts, ships, calibers in the thousands.

                Shurik, don't lump everything together. Who builds yachts, government, USC, or MO? The rich have their own troubles, let them build if they need. You, if you want, can also build yourself a yacht based on duralumin "Kazanka".
                1. Essex62
                  Essex62 9 October 2020 15: 41
                  -4
                  I'm not Shurik for you. Filter the bazaar with the old and the seen person talking.
                  This government represents the power of the rich. And the budget is being scrapped in full. The lamp-men are not lagging behind. Would you say wrong?
                  It is done of course, but this may not be enough for a protracted batch. And you can decide to use a vigorous cudgel only in passion, when it’s a kirdyk.
                  And how to understand that the moment has come.
                  And the rich should not be, from the word at all. You don't have to answer, your opinion is not interesting to me.
                  1. Piramidon
                    Piramidon 9 October 2020 15: 53
                    0
                    Quote: Essex62
                    I'm not Shurik for you. Filter bazaar talking to a person who has lived and seen.

                    Do not be nervous and do not throw rogue terms. If you don't like "Shurik" let you be just Sasha. I don’t know what you have “seen”, but I, at the age of eight, can afford such treatment, especially with such a thug like you.
                    1. Essex62
                      Essex62 9 October 2020 16: 54
                      +1
                      Generally amazing. I am younger, of course, not much, but I do not allow myself such communication with strangers. Don't paint it for you. And they crushed the conversation about nothing. I have the honor.
            2. Vadim_888
              Vadim_888 9 October 2020 12: 43
              -2
              ... Only they do not take into account one thing: they are RUSSIANS, RUSSIANS !!!

              Patriotically, how many draft-age Russians still live in Russia?
              1. Vladimir Mashkov
                Vladimir Mashkov 9 October 2020 14: 40
                +1
                Vadim
                Interesting, but too lazy to look? Throw away laziness! Or are you one of the trolls?
              2. PSih2097
                PSih2097 9 October 2020 15: 56
                0
                Quote: Vadim_888
                Patriotically, how many draft-age Russians still live in Russia?

                if you take the age up to 45 years (who found the USSR and grew up on Soviet films about the war), then there will be 5-6 million, and how many of these go to fees - I don't know, I know one thing - if it starts, I'll go and from the state I will only need weapons and BK, everything else will be its own ...
          4. sedoj
            sedoj 9 October 2020 19: 48
            +1
            Quote: Zoldat_A
            By the way. In 2008, one "warrior" in Georgia was also waiting for "the arrival of overseas friends."

            So they were there. Toilet paper was brought in.
            1. Zoldat_A
              Zoldat_A 9 October 2020 23: 38
              0
              Quote: sedoj
              Quote: Zoldat_A
              By the way. In 2008, one "warrior" in Georgia was also waiting for "the arrival of overseas friends."

              So they were there. Toilet paper was brought in.

              I thought - ties ...
        2. olegfbi
          olegfbi 9 October 2020 08: 23
          0
          3. Poland and the Baltic region of Micronesia, after the deployment of anti-tank units in the near future, put a barrier in the Suwalki corridor
          4. Waiting for the arrival of overseas friends, hoping to hold out for 76 hours.

          Perhaps this is so and such plans may exist ...
          However, there is one more Big question - How will the personnel of the misunderstanding of this very Baltic micronesia and its population behave? With a high degree of probability, most people will NOT wait for any 76 hours, but with joyful shouts / faces will run to surrender to the Russian Army and swear allegiance to the new government! This has already happened in history and will repeat itself, simply because the mood of the overwhelming majority of the population is very different from the aspirations of the government.
          Something like that, but without pretending to be the truth in the last instance.
          1. nnm
            nnm 9 October 2020 08: 36
            +6
            Everything is possible. For this, different versions of countermeasures must be played. And if they don't run? And if they use a maneuverable defense with rare strong points at key communication facilities? And if they themselves use the advantage of the first, surprise strike? And if they go into massive sabotage on the supply lines? And if the air defense is strengthened and the support of our enclave is cut off ... and there are a million such "ifs". And all of them must be played on maps, on the ground, in calculations ... You should never bet that the enemy will raise his hands and run to hug you happily
            1. olegfbi
              olegfbi 9 October 2020 08: 42
              +4
              Everything is possible. For this, different versions of countermeasures must be played.

              That's right!
              I voiced / commented on only one option, simply because I personally know directly the mood of the local population in the Tribaltic.
              Everything else certainly has a place to be and of course you can't relax !!!
            2. antivirus
              antivirus 9 October 2020 08: 45
              -1
              there are yars and satan.
              but the little thing doesn't know about ballistic missiles - they were told to hold back the tanks - they will. it's not their business.
              1. nnm
                nnm 9 October 2020 08: 57
                0
                That is why I am writing that such an idea is relevant only when nuclear weapons are not used. So our likely friends are thinking about it. Quite hypothetically, to bring Navalny and Tikhanovskaya to the presidency. To prohibit them from using Yao, and to begin actions themselves with a non-nuclear component. I do not know the principle of operation of initiating the launch of our missiles, then for some reason it seems that the president's "suitcase" can block the pressing of the MO buttons (and with a tolerant pro-Western government, this is a person appointed by politicians, that is, also minus the button) and the NSG.
              2. PSih2097
                PSih2097 9 October 2020 16: 03
                0
                Quote: antivirus
                they were told to contain the tanks - they will.

                I don't think ... how many tanks the Young Europeans have ...
                1. antivirus
                  antivirus 9 October 2020 18: 31
                  0
                  - enough - they will fill the roads with old Opels and all the power of the RA will rest on the invincible will to freedom of the Balts ..
                  the aggressor will retreat
          2. g1washntwn
            g1washntwn 9 October 2020 08: 49
            +6
            Quote: olegfbi
            most people will NOT wait for any 76 hours

            The gifted will rush into the forests to dig dugouts and caches. The main mass will be hammered into the cracks in the hope that everything will be solved without them. However, a couple of demonstrative strikes on ports and help can be greatly delayed, because how is it necessary to sink at the pier?
            1. Lipchanin
              Lipchanin 9 October 2020 09: 39
              0
              Quote: g1washntwn
              The gifted will rush into the forests to dig dugouts and caches.

              If not already dug
        3. Pravodel
          Pravodel 9 October 2020 08: 30
          +3
          It is strange that all this does not have a foundation in the form of Russia's transition to the use of nuclear weapons.

          Well, the Poles and all sorts of other Balts want to be left without Warsaw, Vilnius, Tallinn, what can you do, and they will remain. Then, for sure, the Polish problem will be finally and irrevocably solved: the hyena of Europe will disappear.
        4. Alex Justice
          Alex Justice 9 October 2020 11: 24
          +1
          Poland received a huge experience in the destruction of Prussia in 1939. Want to repeat it?
        5. Andrey Grad
          Andrey Grad 9 October 2020 11: 43
          -3
          Quote: nnm
          Apparently, the intention of our potential partners is not complicated:
          1. An attempt to destroy the Baltic Fleet
          2. Scandinavian friends mine the Baltic, just in case
          3. Poland and the Baltic region of Micronesia, after the deployment of anti-tank units in the near future, put a barrier in the Suwalki corridor
          4. Waiting for the arrival of overseas friends, hoping to hold out for 76 hours.
          I still don’t understand how they hope to simultaneously block both the Kaliningrad group and the "mainland" forces of Russia. Probably, also with a flank attack, preferably from Belarus they want to pin down the main forces.
          It is strange that all this has no basis in the form of Russia's transition to the use of nuclear weapons. Perhaps they hope for the final coming to political power of their people and see the likelihood of a military scenario in the form of a Russian army that did not obey the political decision. Then, in principle, everything comes together in a logical picture. And the more valuable Belarus is for us.

          Firstly for us Belarus, not Nazi Belarus.
          Secondly, the exclave will always be vulnerable, so one of the solutions may be the option of exchanging territories with the Baltic states, that is, castling, exchanging the Kaliningrad region for one of the Baltic republics.
      2. Victor_B
        Victor_B 9 October 2020 08: 39
        -1
        Quote: olegfbi
        Something completely lost the coast "proud Baltic ...".

        Oh, by the oak, oh by the spruce!
        Poles.
        1. Lipchanin
          Lipchanin 9 October 2020 09: 40
          +2
          Quote: Victor_B
          Poles.

          But when will they invoke with their tongues am
          1. Vadim_888
            Vadim_888 9 October 2020 12: 48
            0
            ... But when will they use their tongues am

            Poles are Slovenians, like most of those present here, and all Slovenians love to scratch with tongues)))))))))
      3. Alekseev
        Alekseev 9 October 2020 12: 24
        0
        Quote: olegfbi
        Here you can recall another statement and draw an analogy ...
        Andrei Gromyko - instead of the Bosphorus, we can build two more straits, but Istanbul, unfortunately, will not be

        That's right!
        Of course, “coastal missile systems in Poland and Estonia will change the situation for the Baltic Fleet of the Russian Navy”, but the Russian missile systems can “change the situation” to a very bad one in all of Poland and, especially, in Estonia. It is a pity that such smart journalist-Russophobic dreamers are printed and read in these countries.
    2. BDRM 667
      BDRM 667 9 October 2020 07: 45
      11
      Polish and Estonian coastal missile batteries are able to practically lock up the Russian fleet in ports. The Kaliningrad exclave, deprived of supplies by sea, will thus be surrounded, in a kind of "cauldron", which only ground forces can break through through the Baltic and the Suwalk Isthmus.


      What are you talking about, Panov? After all, we can already (photo from the archive of the DKBF) ...

      1. Pereira
        Pereira 9 October 2020 08: 54
        +3
        Thanks for the picture. Put it on the monitor as a screensaver.
      2. Lipchanin
        Lipchanin 9 October 2020 09: 43
        +1
        Quote: BDRM 667
        After all, we can (

        Yeah .... Now I know what a MONSTER looks like. belay
        1. Insurgent
          Insurgent 9 October 2020 09: 50
          +2
          Quote: Lipchanin
          Yeah .... Now I know what a MONSTER looks like.

          laughing Before, we only knew about the once existing "Caspian monster", now we will know about availability"Of the Baltic"

          1. Lipchanin
            Lipchanin 9 October 2020 09: 58
            +1
            Quote: Insurgent
            now we will know about the presence of "Baltic"

            Or maybe somewhere else there is some laughing
            Well like that lol

            Or such lol
            1. PSih2097
              PSih2097 9 October 2020 16: 07
              0
              Quote: Lipchanin
              Or maybe somewhere else there is some

              like this ...
    3. smart ass
      smart ass 9 October 2020 08: 23
      0
      The Polish batteries will lock our fleet only for the time of the Iskander deployment) or do they think we have all sorts of dogs in the General Staff?
      1. Pereira
        Pereira 9 October 2020 09: 01
        +1
        They think our elite won't dare. Otherwise, her London mansions will be confiscated.
        Unless Lieutenant Ivanov, drunk, will throw a felt boot on the console.
        1. Torins
          Torins 9 October 2020 09: 17
          0
          Will the elite dare?
      2. Vadim_888
        Vadim_888 9 October 2020 12: 53
        +1
        ... Polish batteries will lock our fleet only for the duration of the Iskander deployment)

        I will disappoint, the territory of KO is being shot through, so the Iskander will have to shoot from Russia and in the course of events through Belarus
    4. Yrec
      Yrec 9 October 2020 09: 18
      +4
      All this fuss between pshek and tribalts resembles a seed for the poem "How mice fought with a cat". Psheks have too short a memory - they forgot that in the recent past they disappeared from the political map of the worlds three times. And about the tribalts, you can not even remember - those are still "giants of thought and the fathers of Russian democracy."
    5. tralflot1832
      tralflot1832 9 October 2020 09: 34
      0
      Outstripped, the same feeling. One thing is not clear European men sleep and see that: The summons came, torn, mint, on toilet paper, come to the military registration and enlistment office under the machine gun. (Words of the folk song of the 70s 80s) I doubt it! The past foodie of Europe, was silent about his plans until June 22, 1941. hi
      1. Vadim_888
        Vadim_888 9 October 2020 12: 55
        0
        ... Outstripped, the same feeling. One thing is not clear European men sleep and see that: The summons came, torn, mint, on toilet paper, come to the military registration and enlistment office under the machine gun. (Words of the folk song of the 70s 80s) I doubt it! The past foodie of Europe, was silent about his plans until June 22, 1941. hi

        The Europeans do not need war, they are tired of wars, it is easier for them to economically exhaust Russia, which is already happening
        1. tralflot1832
          tralflot1832 9 October 2020 13: 00
          -1
          Yes, let them refuse all ours! Right from Monday and start.
    6. Tusv
      Tusv 9 October 2020 11: 46
      0
      Quote: Ilya-spb (
      From year to year I read ... Kaliningrad, Suwalki ...

      So they dream of giving up Suwalki in order to get out of the encirclement. Our legal framework is ready for such tricks
    7. NEXUS
      NEXUS 9 October 2020 14: 55
      -1
      Quote: Ilya-spb
      Why are the Poles so worried?

      Lahi seek and find, adventure on their playful ass.
    8. Piramidon
      Piramidon 9 October 2020 15: 32
      0
      Quote: Ilya-spb
      Why are the Poles so worried?

      They are still offended that the Russian "guide" Ivan Susanin so threw them "peaceful tourists". laughing
  2. nikolas 83
    nikolas 83 9 October 2020 07: 39
    23
    If they try to destroy the Baltic Fleet or Kaliningrad, then Poland will be in ruins and the Baltics too. Or do they think that everything will be unpunished? Looks like no brains or just bark.
    1. FenH
      FenH 9 October 2020 07: 46
      +7
      Quote: nikolas 83
      If they try to destroy the Baltic Fleet or Kaliningrad, then Poland will be in ruins and the Baltic states too. Or do they think that everything will be unpunished?Looks like no brains or just bark.

      It's time to resume nuclear tests so that these stupid hacks have an idea of ​​what their viper will turn into. Moreover, the test results should be applied to the territory of the Tribaltic extinctions and logging, such as how many are needed in kilotons and broadcast live.
      1. Piramidon
        Piramidon 9 October 2020 17: 17
        -1
        Quote: FenH
        It's time to resume nuclear testing ...

        For some reason, Russia still believes in fair games and, unlike the West, abides by agreements, despite the fact that "gentlemen" are constantly remaking all agreements to suit their own interests and interests.
    2. ZAV69
      ZAV69 9 October 2020 09: 02
      0
      Well, they think that if they organize a Maidan for us in Moscow, then this event will give them a ride
      1. Vadim_888
        Vadim_888 9 October 2020 12: 57
        +2
        ... Well, they think that if they organize a Maidan for us in Moscow, then this event will give them a ride


        The Russian government will soon organize it for itself
        1. ZAV69
          ZAV69 9 October 2020 21: 20
          0
          Do not think of others as idiots, especially if they are in power. Yes, they steal. But no one organizes a noose around his neck. But the "partners" sleep and see us a carnival with shooting and massacre.
    3. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin 9 October 2020 09: 46
      +1
      Quote: nikolas 83
      or just to bark.

      And the hyenas are very loud
      1. Insurgent
        Insurgent 9 October 2020 09: 56
        +4
        Quote: Lipchanin
        And the hyenas are very loud

        So Tobacco not a hyena, but a jackal ...
        1. Lipchanin
          Lipchanin 9 October 2020 10: 00
          0
          Quote: Insurgent
          So Tabaki is not a hyena, but a jackal

          So the squares are the same laughing
    4. Piramidon
      Piramidon 9 October 2020 15: 35
      -2
      Quote: nikolas 83
      Or do they think that everything will be unpunished?

      Apparently, they consider themselves immortal. "Highlander" seen enough. laughing fool
  3. paul3390
    paul3390 9 October 2020 07: 40
    +9
    And who told them that all their rocket batteries would even live to see launch ??
    1. halpat
      halpat 9 October 2020 08: 06
      0
      Quote: paul3390
      And who told them that all their rocket batteries would even live to see launch ??

      maybe they will, but life after ... will be very short.
      1. Zoldat_A
        Zoldat_A 9 October 2020 08: 25
        0
        Quote: Halpat
        Quote: paul3390
        And who told them that all their rocket batteries would even live to see launch ??

        maybe they will, but life after ... will be very short.

        But happy - Wow! good It reminded me of an anecdote where an old Bandera soldier on his deathbed asks his relatives to be admitted to the CPSU ... laughing
        1. Lipchanin
          Lipchanin 9 October 2020 09: 48
          14
          Quote: Zoldat_A
          It reminded me of an anecdote where an old Bandera member on his deathbed asks his relatives to be admitted to the CPSU.

          I remembered another
  4. horus88
    horus88 9 October 2020 07: 40
    11
    well, well, I see how the great Poles erase our entire fleet, then they take Kaliningrad, then Moscow, then a decisive rush to Vladivostok ... It would be better for us to surrender, apparently, there is no other way out (
  5. Fedor Sokolov
    Fedor Sokolov 9 October 2020 07: 42
    13
    One ballistic missile is enough and nothing will be left of Poland, let alone Estonia. These former fellow citizens in the region have become insolent, openly discussing the possibilities of NATO military aggression against the Kaliningrad region.
    1. Zoldat_A
      Zoldat_A 9 October 2020 08: 30
      +2
      Quote: Fedor Sokolov
      One ballistic missile is enough and nothing will be left of Poland, let alone Estonia. These former fellow citizens in the region have become insolent, openly discussing the possibilities of NATO military aggression against the Kaliningrad region.

      I do not think that the President of the Russian Federation should respond to all the "breaths in the pants" of types by last name Hard... But Dure should personally respond to this from some grand rostrum, outlining the consequences - otherwise, in a few years, Poland will write such an "exhalation" into its military doctrine, and the Pentagon, on the basis of this "exhalation", some regular "Drop-shot" or "Unthinkable" will compose.
    2. smart ass
      smart ass 9 October 2020 09: 35
      0
      They don't ask for money for discussion
  6. Ros 56
    Ros 56 9 October 2020 07: 44
    +9
    An attempt to partially destroy the BF will inevitably lead to the complete destruction of the Poles.
  7. Pavel73
    Pavel73 9 October 2020 07: 46
    +9
    Such statements and publications of Poles mean that they are very far from the triumph of reason.
    1. Sidor Amenpodestovich
      Sidor Amenpodestovich 9 October 2020 08: 15
      +4
      Quote: Pavel73
      Such statements and publications of Poles mean that they are very far from the triumph of reason.

      Poles and reason are two incompatible things.
  8. Fedor Sokolov
    Fedor Sokolov 9 October 2020 07: 48
    +3
    Let the author tell the citizens of the Baltic states, Romania and Bulgaria about the "high standard of living characteristic of the West". Portugal, Italy and Greece are not doing so well in their economies either, if it were not for subsidies from the developed economies of the EU that would have put their teeth on the shelf long ago. And Poland itself, without support from Brussels, also did not fatten. In the United States, hundreds of thousands of people live in cardboard boxes, receiving monthly humanitarian aid and not being able to pay for highly qualified medical care. The "happiness" of Westerners lies in its propaganda and the imposition of false "values" around everyone.
    1. Vladimir1155
      Vladimir1155 9 October 2020 08: 21
      +4
      Quote: Fyodor Sokolov
      In the United States, hundreds of thousands of people live in cardboard boxes, receiving monthly humanitarian aid and not being able to pay for highly qualified medical care. The "happiness" of Westerners lies in its propaganda and the imposition of false "values" around everyone.

      that's right, for ordinary people life is no better than in the Russian Federation, work is at home, and in America there are no vacations, and we have even fewer beggars, but propaganda is in the head of a Pole, otherwise why should he be arrogant? But one more conclusion, ... the BF is not needed, its efficiency is zero, to bring all ships of the second rank and the submarine to the oceans, where they are very needed, Leave only small ships in the BF.
    2. Vadim_888
      Vadim_888 9 October 2020 13: 10
      0
      ... citizens of the Baltic states, Romania and Bulgaria. Portugal, Italy and Greece are not doing so well in their economies either, if it were not for subsidies from the developed economies of the EU that would have put their teeth on the shelf long ago. And Poland itself, without support from Brussels, also did not fatten. In the United States, hundreds of thousands of people live in cardboard boxes, receive humanitarian aid every month and are unable to pay for


      Ooh ...... Another zombie victim
      For reference, in poverty-stricken Bulgaria the salary of a bus driver in Sofia exceeded that of a bus driver in Moscow,
      The US allowance for residents of cardboard boxes is $ 900, plus food stamps .... Before repeating the nonsense with Rashi Tudei, help out English and start communicating with foreign residents directly ...
  9. 7,62h54
    7,62h54 9 October 2020 07: 48
    0
    And what are the psheks doing to prevent the bombing of the LNG terminal with the pig-named town?
  10. times
    times 9 October 2020 07: 50
    11
    make sure of the high standard of living typical for Western countries

    A high standard of living, not least due to the suction of juices from third world countries
    1. halpat
      halpat 9 October 2020 08: 12
      +2
      Quote: mal
      make sure of the high standard of living typical for Western countries

      A high standard of living, not least due to the suction of juices from third world countries

      here the Balts and all sorts of Bulgarians thought that they would join this pleasant process, but so far (already 30 years) they have only to suck and lick the Americans and their senior vassals.
    2. Vladimir1155
      Vladimir1155 9 October 2020 08: 24
      +4
      Quote: mal
      A high standard of living, not least due to the suction of juices from third world countries

      not only, also because of the regular killing of children by abortion, if the population is declining, then naturally you can use everything that your ancestors did and work less, for this the world behind the scenes promotes LGBT, tinko, creating the appearance of well-being, and as a result of extinction, this idea was formulated by Engels , so they do
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  11. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 9 October 2020 07: 51
    10
    Limited thinking is a characteristic feature of modern European education. Fragmented. Is the Russian fleet alone going to deal with the coastal batteries of Estonia and Poland? NATO generals generally give 60 hours for all this Baltic Sprotland ... (I think they even give a lot) ... and coastal batteries will immediately turn out to be priority targets for the Aerospace Forces ...
  12. SARANCHA1976
    SARANCHA1976 9 October 2020 07: 52
    0
    Ay Pug know she's strong
    barks at an elephant
  13. Alien From
    Alien From 9 October 2020 08: 02
    0
    Again the lords smelled, well, a lot, we still have a lot of birches in store)))
  14. GTYCBJYTH2021
    GTYCBJYTH2021 9 October 2020 08: 03
    -6
    Quote: Ilya-spb
    From year to year I read ... Kaliningrad, Suwalki ...

    Why are the Poles so worried?

    I cannot but quote VS Chernomyrdin as an answer to the Poles: "If your hands itch, scratch it in another place."

    Do not forget the Russians ... Give us a damn about the Kremlin gum .... other buildings ..
  15. K-50
    K-50 9 October 2020 08: 04
    +5
    Polish and Estonian coastal missile batteries are able to practically lock up the Russian fleet in ports

    This is possible only with a declaration of war.
    In that case, what will be left of Poland and Triboltus? what fellow lol
    So sit up straight and do not twitch, so as not to turn into ash and dust !!! am
    1. cniza
      cniza 9 October 2020 08: 25
      +3
      Quote: K-50

      In that case, what will be left of Poland and Triboltus? what fellow lol
      So sit up straight and do not twitch, so as not to turn into ash and dust !!! am


      They didn't think about it ...
    2. NDR-791
      NDR-791 9 October 2020 08: 27
      +4
      In that case, what will be left of Poland and Triboltus?

      Somehow it looks like it will remain ... Print and hang each on the wall ... Watch without stopping until it comes
    3. Zoldat_A
      Zoldat_A 9 October 2020 08: 33
      +3
      Quote: K-50
      sit upright and do not twitch, so as not to turn into ash and dust !!!

      So they are sure that the Americans will come running and save them all ... laughing laughing laughing Yeah ... We already took a low start and stroked the laces ...
  16. Tagan
    Tagan 9 October 2020 08: 14
    +3
    What is this writing for? It seems that by this they are trying to persuade themselves that not everything is so scary, trying to stop the shaking of the knees. Panove apparently began to suspect that they would be made cannon fodder.
    1. cniza
      cniza 9 October 2020 08: 24
      +2
      They puff up and want to show themselves all the time as guardians before the owner ...
    2. Zoldat_A
      Zoldat_A 9 October 2020 09: 26
      0
      Quote: Tagan
      What is this writing for? It seems that by this they are trying to persuade themselves that not everything is so scary, trying to stop the shaking of the knees. Panove apparently began to suspect that they would be made cannon fodder.

      Victor (cniza) in the comment absolutely answered -
      Quote: cniza
      They puff up and want to show themselves all the time as guardians before the owner ...
      They want to show zeal, present themselves as "the last defense of world democracy in front of the terrible grin of Russian aggression." You look - for the diligence the Boss will give a candy ... More than that, the rum of Russophobia, there is nothing to sell ...
  17. thinker
    thinker 9 October 2020 08: 17
    +3
    Something from the children's repertoire good
    Mouse cat caught,
    They put me in a mousetrap.
    K.I. Chukovsky
    1. cniza
      cniza 9 October 2020 08: 23
      +2
      This shows their attitude and level of wishes.
  18. cniza
    cniza 9 October 2020 08: 22
    +4
    However, Russian reality is far from ideal due to the important role of propaganda and ambitions of admirals and generals.

    - concludes the Polish expert, relying on the "conscientiousness" of ordinary citizens of the Russian Federation, who "can personally be convinced of the high standard of living characteristic of Western countries."


    Yes, we have many problems, including in the Navy, but you don’t need to touch us and teach us how to live and keep your Western values ​​for yourself, we will live as we want.
  19. aszzz888
    aszzz888 9 October 2020 08: 36
    +2

    Polish and Estonian coastal missile batteries are able to practically lock up the Russian fleet in ports .... This opinion is expressed by Maksymilian Dura on the pages of the Polish edition of Defense24:
    And not a lot of burdened)) on themselves these would-be warriors? laughing I believe that before the first rupture of the Iskander.
  20. Sibguest
    Sibguest 9 October 2020 08: 40
    0
    Panove, are you not tired of CORRECTING in your wet dreams of defeating RUSSIA?
    Direct the efforts (of the intestines) to provide your farmers with free fertilizers: if you wanted to celebrate victories with us, they ran to the nearest vegetable garden, sat down (don't forget to take off your trousers) ... and relieved the pressure from the main brain.
  21. tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 9 October 2020 08: 42
    +1
    an impressive array of launchers in Estonia; powerful target detection system (involving ships and naval aviation); cover and camouflage PU; parallel artillery strike against military targets in the Kaliningrad region.
    And where will all this come from if they themselves live at the expense of the European Union? I have not read science fiction novels for a long time, where the Baltic sprat imagines itself to be a shark.
  22. APASUS
    APASUS 9 October 2020 08: 44
    +1
    In the event of a military conflict between Russia and NATO, Poland may disappear altogether as a state, but this does not prevent the Polish leadership from dreaming of victories over the Russians ..........
    In fact, the Russian Ministry of Defense needs to train strike units in case of a conflict, control border areas, equip breakthrough units with strike assets. Dreams are dreams, but you always need to keep the powder dry!
  23. Hagen
    Hagen 9 October 2020 08: 46
    0
    This opinion is given by Maksymilian Dura

    Very much a speaking surname. The opinion matches the carrier.
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  25. zwlad
    zwlad 9 October 2020 08: 54
    0
    - concludes the Polish expert, relying on the "conscientiousness" of ordinary citizens of the Russian Federation, who "can personally be convinced of the high standard of living characteristic of Western countries."

    Well, I do not. Let the citizens of other countries be convinced of the "high standard of living". Tribalts for example, or outskirts.
    We don't need any "Tahiti".
    We are well fed here too.
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  27. mark1
    mark1 9 October 2020 09: 06
    +1
    For some reason, everyone believed in the non-use of nuclear weapons and theoretical battles are built according to the "wall to wall" principle. What "blocking" can be. Preventive air nuclear explosion followed by clearing the real targets of TNW. It is necessary on a regular basis (at least once a week) to convey to all panovs our determination to do this (with any clever attempt to attack our territory) and their ambition will be blown away. Scare, scare and scare, so that they would really be afraid of the possibility of disappearing from modern life. There can be no "fraternal" peoples in an enemy state.
  28. Torins
    Torins 9 October 2020 09: 09
    +1
    In Poland, they do not take into account one thing, in a situation when fire can be opened on Russian ships, Russian troops will stand in the Baltic states.
  29. Ilya_Nsk
    Ilya_Nsk 9 October 2020 09: 21
    +1
    I would not risk it .. We do not only have a fleet. Something from Engels will fly up and something in Poland, too, something will fly up ...
  30. ANDREY MIKHAILOV_2
    ANDREY MIKHAILOV_2 9 October 2020 09: 33
    0
    Russian mainland forces, Greetings to Poland from the Strategic Missile Forces. And the next vekaspert on the capture of Kaliningrad.
  31. Vitaly Tsymbal
    Vitaly Tsymbal 9 October 2020 09: 38
    +1
    Pancake!!! These Polish espers, for some reason, forget that Poland and Estonia with their batteries are already at gunpoint ... and as soon as they "fart" they will be immediately, if not destroyed, then neutralized.
  32. alexmach
    alexmach 9 October 2020 09: 42
    0
    What other Estonian anti-ship missiles are they? That such have already appeared or what?
    But the whole conclusion is correct, Kaliningrad and Baltiysk may actually find themselves in a very difficult situation.
    1. LiSiCyn
      LiSiCyn 9 October 2020 12: 23
      +1
      First adequate comment. RCC, not RCC, but they get it with art. Especially from the Balt spit. But there is also HIMARS.
      The use of nuclear weapons is an extreme measure, and I doubt that after the first salvoes the missiles will fly to Warsaw. Yes, there are Iskanders in KOR, but strikes will primarily be directed at headquarters and airfields. And the second stage may not be.
      IMHO: In the case of the start of the database, intelligence will play the main role. If we know the hour X, then perhaps we will have time to bring the fleet out to sea (again, if the Swedes do not place mines), if not, then shoot from the wall and the team ashore.
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  34. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 9 October 2020 09: 48
    0
    The Poles are puffed up with anguish in information war with Russia. It is strange that hemorrhoids have not yet earned (Russia is too tolerant of these intolerant).
    Maksymilian dura
    She is also a full doctor in Poland.
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  37. Mikhail Alexandrov
    Mikhail Alexandrov 9 October 2020 09: 54
    +1
    One surname DURA speaks volumes ...
  38. rocket757
    rocket757 9 October 2020 09: 58
    0
    However, Russian reality is far from ideal due to the important role of propaganda and ambitions of admirals and generals.

    An author about Polish and other yapping, reality, adequacy, doesn't want to talk? Preferably with a psychiatrist!
  39. Dmitry Potapov
    Dmitry Potapov 9 October 2020 10: 06
    0
    Well, "Iskander" with a special warhead to "help" them. No, two Iskander!
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  41. ZEMCH
    ZEMCH 9 October 2020 10: 36
    +1
    However, Russian reality is far from ideal due to the important role of propaganda and ambitions of admirals and generals.

    Is the reality close to the ideal for the Poles?))) I read such opuses and I think that the CHSV of certain countries is inflated to the point of obscurity
  42. Vladimir61
    Vladimir61 9 October 2020 10: 58
    +1
    There is no desire even to comment on this nonsense. Poland, Estonia and other "warriors" of the advanced Russophobic detachment will remain a scorched, lifeless field ...
  43. Shadow041
    Shadow041 9 October 2020 11: 02
    +2
    And it never occurred to the Poles to think about what would remain after the Russian missile strike on Warsaw from their capital and its population if Poland had the audacity and stupidity to attack Kaliningrad ?!
  44. iouris
    iouris 9 October 2020 11: 08
    -1
    I agree with the "Polish press": without the preventive destruction of parts of Poland, Lithuania and Estonia by part of the Baltic Fleet, the Kaliningrad region will be locked in a "cauldron".
  45. Tusv
    Tusv 9 October 2020 11: 29
    0
    Enough to make claims to bears. Russia is not ready to transfer the Suvalkovsky Voivodship to the balance of the Russian Federation. So hack it on your nose. Brush your hair probably the future subject of the federation or something. And we will then consider
  46. PValery53
    PValery53 9 October 2020 11: 31
    0
    By voicing the opinions of such "experts" as Dura (they did not find it smarter!), Poland accumulates its sins for tougher punishment. And she will come!
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  48. Brand-new
    Brand-new 9 October 2020 12: 00
    0
    In the event of a threat of encirclement and blocking of Kaliningrad, it is highly likely that a land corridor a couple of Baltic countries wide will emerge.
  49. Old26
    Old26 9 October 2020 12: 21
    +1
    Polish and Estonian coastal missile batteries are able to practically lock up the Russian fleet in ports. The Kaliningrad exclave, deprived of supplies by sea, will thus be surrounded, in a kind of "cauldron", which only ground forces can break through through the Baltic and the Suwalk Isthmus.

    In fact, if anyone can lock (purely theoretically) the Russian fleet in ports, then the NATO fleet, but certainly not Estonia and Poland. If Poland, at least in theory, has the ability to keep Baltiysk at gunpoint by placing batteries in the region of Gdansk and Gdynia, then Estonia will not even be able to do this, because Between Estonia and Finland there is about 6-8 km of neutral waters. Let the Estonian batteries try to strike at ships and vessels in neutral waters, and then we'll see.

    Quote: nnm
    It is strange that all this has no basis in the form of Russia's transition to the use of nuclear weapons.

    There even nuclear weapons are not needed to multiply the armed forces of both countries by zero. After one good hit with conventional conventional weapons, both will ask for peace. NATO is well aware that no one will die for "these" in a local conflict. Well, if the conflict is global - lock up the Russian fleet, don't lock it up, there is no difference ... Everything will be vitrified ...

    Quote: Fedor Sokolov
    One ballistic missile is enough and nothing will be left of Poland, let alone Estonia. These former fellow citizens in the region have become insolent, openly discussing the possibilities of NATO military aggression against the Kaliningrad region.

    Well, this is a discussion ... laughing We are also discussing: "One missile and no Poland." The chatter of the "experts" is designed only to raise the "fighting spirit of the electorate." And nothing more
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