"One ammunition - one tank": the Ministry of Defense of Azerbaijan showed the destruction of enemy equipment and captured trophies

The Azerbaijani Ministry of Defense publishes footage of the destruction of enemy armored vehicles. At the same time, it is noticeable that this time also those Tanks Armenian troops who are in shelters.

Also, attention is drawn to the fact with what accuracy the ammunition sent to the positions of the Armenian troops is stacked.

At least in the frames presented there is a kind of "formula": "one ammunition - one enemy tank."

In addition to destroying the tanks of the Armenian troops, the Azerbaijani side showed regular footage of equipment captured from the enemy. Among the new trophies are T-72 tanks, infantry fighting vehicles, ammunition boxes, including shells.

At the same time, it is clear from the personnel of the Azerbaijani side that the equipment is on the move. Perhaps she didn't even have time to really take part in the battles.

It is worth paying attention to the fact that the Armenian side has not yet demonstrated such frames - with captured trophies in the form of armored vehicles of the Azerbaijani troops.

Azerbaijani Defense Ministry personnel:

Comments

[SouzniK]

One Azerbaijan with its rollers. Here .. Where are the Armenian comrades? Have they really surrendered or Pashinyan is turning you over to the Turks?
I am still waiting for you, the Armenian patriots, because you were normal and adequate here.
Or are we here just to read Azerbaijanis with their bravura comments and others with BV helping them ..?
Why are you substituting Russia? Where is your former fighting spirit? ..

[Nychego]

Quote: SouzniK

Where is your former fighting spirit? ..

Fighting spirit does not roll against current types of weapons.
Our only answer to your questions:
"We have a machine gun, but you don't."

("They have Bayraktar, but you do not have it")

[Keyser soze]

Fighting spirit does not roll against current types of weapons.

Tell this to the Houthis ... they will be a little surprised.

[Nychego]

Quote: Keyser Soze

Tell this to the Houthis ... they will be a little surprised.

And what is there against the actual Houthis, then?
Jeeps and bempeshki in the mountains, well, don't roll against RPGs and AKs.
Here is an attack by Iranian (Oops!) Houthi drones on the oil complex - it was beautifully implemented, and in the areas of ground-based DBs, packed and armed with weapons of the 20th century, Saudi mercenaries play pusher with motivated and "applied to the terrain" Houthis, naturally, often losing.

[Keyser soze]

what is there against the Houthis actual?
Jeeps and bempeshki in the mountains, well, don't roll against RPGs and AKs.

Well, please, there was everything that the Saudis could roll up - Abrams, the most modern armored personnel carriers, bombed them with drones, F15, Tornado, Typhoons ... yes, the Houthis were tired of burning everything possible ...

And the mountains in Karabakh will be worse ...

[Nychego]

Quote: Keyser Soze

Well, please, there was everything that the Saudis could roll up - Abrams, the most modern armored personnel carriers, bombed them with drones, F15, Tornado, Typhoons ... yes, the Houthis were tired of burning everything possible ...

Bayraktars were needed, Bayraktars ...

However, against "mujahideen" of all stripes and bayraktar is not a panacea. As a lieutenant colonel at the military department of the institute where I studied used to say back in 1986: "We can win in Afghanistan, but then no one will be left there except us." And with the stigma of "total genocide", even the Saudis hardly want to walk around the modern world.

[Tatyana]

The trouble is that the Armed Forces of the Armenians of Nagorno-Karabakh have no drones at all, all the more sensitive to sources of thermal radiation on the ground, which can conduct reconnaissance and even in the dark, and thus conduct shelling at a remote distance.

It is not for nothing that Azerbaijan has bought drones from Israel.
It is not for nothing that Erdogan set up mass production of Turkish drones in Turkey.

While the army of Nagorno-Karabakh is forced to maintain communication between the headquarters and combat units and conduct reconnaissance on the enemy in the old fashioned way, as during the Second World War.
This war shows that drones have a great future for potential victories in the war over the enemy.

In addition, I think that Erdogan is fighting in this conflict on the side of Azerbaijan with his Turkish drones, not just on credit for Azerijan Aliyev, but also for Azerbaijan's political concessions to Turkey on the part of Aliyev himself!
Because of this war, the independent sovereignty of Aliyev and Azerbaijan will be completely dependent on the arbitrariness of Erdogan and Turkey.

[Nychego]

Quote: Tatiana

In addition, I think that Erdogan is fighting in this conflict on the side of Azerbaijan with his Turkish drones not just as a loan for Azerijan Aliyev and for Azerbaijan's political concessions to Turkey from Aliyev!

I perceive this campaign as Erdogan's third war to restore, if not the Ottoman Empire, territorially, then the restoration of "Ottoman greatness" - the transformation of Turkey into a regional hegemon.

Quote: Tatiana

This war shows that drones are a great future of potential victories in war over the enemy.

She "must" show us a few things:
1. Drones for the third time have confirmed that a new effective means of engaging manpower and equipment on the battlefield has appeared and it is necessary to look for means and methods to counter them. In this regard, I was waiting for the use of the S-300 by the Armenians, but did not wait yet. If they shot down Bayraktar today, then I wonder how and with what.
2. We need to rapidly develop and begin to produce in significant quantities our MODERN attack UAVs, as well as develop a fighter UAV, sharpened to destroy enemy UAVs.
3. The Department of Defense should be headed by a relatively young thinking military man, not a dedicated fishing partner, the Supreme Commander.

[Tatyana]

Quote: Nychego

2. We need to rapidly develop and begin to produce in significant quantities our MODERN attack UAVs, as well as develop a fighter UAV, sharpened to destroy enemy UAVs.

Moreover, Russia needs to develop not only aviation drones, but also sea drones - underwater and surface ones.

To be honest, the lag in Russia in terms of their domestic mass production worries me very much. I understand this, even though I am a civilian person.

[New Year day]

Quote: Nychego

In this regard, I was waiting for the use of the S-300 by the Armenians, but did not wait yet

[Garris199]

Usually the videos are still filming their attacks, but this time it did not work. But the "daughter of the drone" gives a grudge that the S-300 was flunked.

[Sentinel-vs]

They also showed a photo of the Pantsir instead of the S-300. Expertise at the level!

[Datarem]

and also develop a UAV fighter

Oh, yes, everything has been there for a long time, against these low-speed UAVs, you can use the Yak-52 with two GSHG under the wings, the cost of its penny. It can be guided from a small UAV-AWACS.

[Pilat2009]

Quote: Datarem

and also develop a UAV fighter

Oh, yes, everything has been there for a long time, against these low-speed UAVs, you can use the Yak-52 with two GSHG under the wings, the cost of its penny. It can be guided from a small UAV-AWACS.

He himself can get into the air defense zone. It is necessary to return to calibers of 50-70mm with non-contact detonation, and the means of detection and guidance should be improved

[Datarem]

Quote: Pilat2009

He himself can get into the air defense zone.

Specifically, who can bring him down, what complex?

[Pilat2009]

Quote: Datarem

Quote: Pilat2009

He himself can get into the air defense zone.

Specifically, who can bring him down, what complex?

Yes, anyone, even a rocket from a fighter, it's not a stealth, and it's bigger than the same bayraktar

[Datarem]

Quote: Pilat2009

Yes, anyone, even a rocket from a fighter, it's not a stealth, and it's bigger than the same bayraktar

You see how much is already needed, fighters, air defense and not some kind of dead wasp, but a beech, the wasp will not reach in range. T e is money money. Or maybe the Azeri had a choice or this or that. Either a good defense with air defense, or an offensive from an uav, the pocket is not rubber. Something they have not seen in service with modern air defense. The yak itself can be made of plastic, plus a streamlined nose with a different engine, instead of machine guns, man-portable air defense missiles can be placed under the wing. I'm not sure that the air defense will detect it at a distance of 30-40 km. By the way, the yak is smaller in size, see performance characteristics.

[Pilat2009]

Quote: Datarem

By the way, the yak is smaller in size, see performance characteristics

The fact that the bayraktar's wing length does not say anything anymore. It is necessary to look at the area, EPR. In addition, the Yak is longer and the body is higher

[Datarem]

Quote: Pilat2009

The fact that the bayraktar's wing length does not say anything anymore. It is necessary to look at the area, EPR. In addition, the Yak is longer and the body is higher

To summarize, Azerbaijan does not have a large billion dollar budget to intercept the Yak 52. We need hundreds of millions of dollars for all these fighters, air defense. And all this will be to the detriment of something - UAVs, artillery, tanks, the level of training of soldiers - choose)))

[Pilat2009]

Quote: Datarem

Quote: Pilat2009

The fact that the bayraktar's wing length does not say anything anymore. It is necessary to look at the area, EPR. In addition, the Yak is longer and the body is higher

To summarize, Azerbaijan does not have a large billion dollar budget to intercept the Yak 52. We need hundreds of millions of dollars for all these fighters, air defense. And all this will be to the detriment of something - UAVs, artillery, tanks, the level of training of soldiers - choose)))

Who told you that Azerbaijan has no air defense? Why the Armenians don't bomb them

[Datarem]

Quote: Pilat2009

Who told you that Azerbaijan has no air defense? Why the Armenians don't bomb them

Well, if you bomb with su 25, then both the anti-aircraft missile system and the air defense system, and if it flies at high altitude and great distance ??

[Pilat2009]

Quote: Datarem

Quote: Pilat2009

Who told you that Azerbaijan has no air defense? Why the Armenians don't bomb them

Well, if you bomb with su 25, then both the anti-aircraft missile system and the air defense system, and if it flies at high altitude and great distance ??

How much is it at a great distance? Actually, they have s-300 and s-125 and s-200

[Datarem]

Quote: Pilat2009

How much is it at a distance?

30-40 km

Quote: Pilat2009

In fact, they have s-300 and s-125 and s-200

And they are ready to remove them from the protection of strategic objects ?? Especially the c-200, which is very mobile)))
Well, if there are such forces against the yak-52, that is, su 30cm, which can constantly unexpectedly arrive and attack uavs and cover fighters, the radar there is worth a good one, if you believe the performance characteristics, but of course tax-payers hamsters can once again be found. ...

[Datarem]

Quote: Pilat2009

it is necessary to return to calibers 50-70mm with non-contact blasting

Yes, right, only they will need to shoot 15 - 16 km.

[Pilat2009]

Quote: Datarem

Quote: Pilat2009

it is necessary to return to calibers 50-70mm with non-contact blasting

Yes, right, only they will need to shoot 15 - 16 km.

It will be possible for them to shoot down missiles on the approach and kamikaze drones. By the way, radio fuses were used in World War II. Cannons of the shell do not show themselves very well on completion, and a proximity fuse will create a decent zone of destruction

[Datarem]

Quote: Pilat2009

and kamikaze drones

Yes, if they manage to detect it, maybe a 40 mm cannon with such shells is better?

[Vadmir]

The trouble is that the Armed Forces of the Armenians of Nagorno-Karabakh have no drones at all

This trouble is largely due to the fact that Russia, the main supplier, is doing badly with drones. This war clearly demonstrates the combat potential of drones. And Russia needs to catch up.

[Alexey from Perm]

I can't make up for it yet

[demon]

And, I assure you, it will not work

[Alexey from Perm]

I think all the same should be done. Turkey and Iran were able to do something, and ours should succeed, the main thing is to do this. The only question is how long it will take ..

[demon]

You have passed the point of no return. And your time is up

[Alexey from Perm]

Russia is never as weak as it seems.

[Pilat2009]

Quote: Nychego

Quote: Keyser Soze

Well, please, there was everything that the Saudis could roll up - Abrams, the most modern armored personnel carriers, bombed them with drones, F15, Tornado, Typhoons ... yes, the Houthis were tired of burning everything possible ...

Bayraktars were needed, Bayraktars ...

However, against "mujahideen" of all stripes and bayraktar is not a panacea. As a lieutenant colonel at the military department of the institute where I studied used to say back in 1986: "We can win in Afghanistan, but then no one will be left there except us." And with the stigma of "total genocide", even the Saudis hardly want to walk around the modern world.

Well, judging by the murder of a journalist at the embassy, ​​they don't really care about any stigma

[VyacheSeymour]

And the mountains in Karabakh will be worse ...

... and the Armenians will be even worse armed ...
... and they have no army (in its definition) ...
... and there weren't 30 years to build defense lines ...

[certero]

Quote: Nychego

We can win in Afghanistan, but then there will be no one else but us

In Afghanistan, territorial control was needed to win. That is, not 120 soldiers, but half a million. And that's it

[Zhevlonenko]

Are you saying that the Arabs have no UAV? What prevents them from acting against the Houthis as well?

[Maverick1812]

Exactly! There AK, Fogot, RPG-7 skirt and Chinese slippers .... The Saudis have enough for the tonsils!

[Uncle Vanya Susanin]

There is a Real War channel in TG, there every day new videos appear, and from Armenians, among other things, they show both killed Azerbaijani soldiers and destroyed equipment, so they have everything!

[demon]

Quote: Nychego

Fighting spirit against current types of weapons does not roll

Also, attention is drawn to the fact with what accuracy the ammunition sent to the positions of the Armenian troops is stacked.

Yes, the products of the Israeli military-industrial complex, these are not cartoons about "Zirconium"

[OgnennyiKotik]

Quote: SouzniK

One Azerbaijan with its rollers. Here .. Where are the Armenian comrades? Have they really surrendered or Pashinyan is turning you over to the Turks?

It's just that some have an army of the 20th century, others have a 21st century. While Armenia was preparing for the wars of the past, Azerbaijan was preparing for the wars of the future. New technologies provide new opportunities, those who ignore them lose.

[Hypertension]

Quote: OgnennyiKotik

It's just that some have an army of the 20th century, others have a 21st century. While Armenia was preparing for the wars of the past, Azerbaijan was preparing for the wars of the future. New technologies provide new opportunities, those who ignore them lose.

And as Gian-Jacopo Trivulzio said, "For a war you need three things - money, money and more money." Especially in the modern world with drones and high-precision weapons. Of course, there is too much corruption in Azerbaijan, but the economy is stronger there too. There will be a lesson for the whole world - they do not save on the army.

[Keyser soze]

"Three things are needed for a war - money, money and money again"

This is not clear to me - I just looked, the GDP of Azerbaijan is $ 46 billion. It is less than Serbian. In general, a complete minuscule. How did they manage to buy weapons with this GDP - why don't they give money for anything else !? Strange ...

[Hypertension]

Azerbaijan has a military budget about 3 times more than Serbia. Well, Turkey threw it in, naturally. And help friends and show yourself, as they say ...

[Keyser soze]

Azerbaijan's military budget is about 3 times that of Serbia.

On the other hand, I too - GDP is lower and the military budget is several times higher. Their population probably does not see money for social services, education and medicine in general.

[Hypertension]

Quote: Keyser Soze

On the other hand, I too - GDP is lower and the military budget is several times higher.

PPP GDP is higher in Azerbaijan. Well, the long-term conflict also plays a role in the priority of budget allocation. Serbia doesn't seem to be going to reconquer Kosovo by military means, right?

Quote: Keyser Soze

Their population probably does not see money for social services, education and medicine in general.

Well, and in general ... The military budget of Serbia is 2% of GDP, Azerbaijan is 4%. There remains also for medicine and social services.

[Keyser soze]

PPP GDP is higher for Azerbaijan.

Here's the problem with PPP accounts - tanks and flying boNbs are sold for dollars and not for dollars at PPP ...
Conventionally, one Bosch washing machine costs 400 euros with us, with you and in Australia, and there you can count your income as you want.

[Hypertension]

Quote: Keyser Soze

Here's the problem with PPP accounts - tanks and flying boNbs are sold for dollars and not for dollars at PPP ...

Maybe the Turks are selling them for lira? Brotherly.
In any case, the military budget of Azerbaijan is several times higher and it was spent on modern things. What will you sow ...

[Keyser soze]

anyway, the military budget of Azerbaijan is many times higher and it was spent on modern things. What will you sow ...

Well, I agree here ... but the Armenians won't buy much for their 15 billion. Only if you give them something, on credit and that's it. Jews will sell them a fig in vegetable oil.

[Pilat2009]

Quote: Keyser Soze

anyway, the military budget of Azerbaijan is many times higher and it was spent on modern things. What will you sow ...

Well, I agree here ... but the Armenians won't buy much for their 15 billion. Only if you give them something, on credit and that's it. Jews will sell them a fig in vegetable oil.

The Armenians bought a little the wrong thing. Instead of useless dryers, they had to take a UAV

[Keyser soze]

There remains also for medicine and social services.

God ... if I didn’t beguiled and it’s true ... ?? Azerbaijani spending on education, 2017, 10 million population - $ 104 million.

This is a minuscule amount. We spent 2,4 billion euros on education this year, for 7 million people. Our GDP is two times higher than that of Azerbaijan, and even if you divide 2,4 billion euros by two, you will again get a huge difference. Well there twenty times. I suppose that in medicine and social sphere the same seams.

[Hypertension]

Quote: Keyser Soze

Azerbaijani spending on education, 2017, 10 million population - $ 104 million.

In 2009, spending on education in Azerbaijan was $ 1.25 billion. I don’t think they have fallen so much over 11 years.
But why are you comparing Azerbaijan with Serbia and Bulgaria, and not with Armenia, which would be more relevant in light of the events?

[Keyser soze]

But why are you comparing Azerbaijan with Serbia and Bulgaria, and not with Armenia, which would be more relevant in light of the events?

Well, because it is easy to compare - we have twice the GDP, so you can divide costs by two and compare. And Armenia is poor, what to compare with it?
And yes, my mistake, now I found a real report and budget of Azerbaijan for 2018:

Education - $ 1,18 billion
Medicine - $ 435,6 million

We have 2018 - 1,9 billion euros. Education.
Medicine - 2,35 billion euros.

Yes, everything is clear - they scored a lot of money into the military. The Turks also helped there. Let's see - it will be a battle of fighting spirit and technology.

[evgeniy.plotnikov.2019mail.ru]

Both Armenia and Karabakh are tired of the stupid game of “capitalism”. ,, Gray ,,, poverty, nepotism ... ,, Did not fit into capitalism ,,. Karabakh Armenians are definitely not hucksters. Yes, and ,, mainland ,, Armenians ... Real Christians do not like, in principle ,, muddy water.
Azerbaijanis are more predisposed to trade and, more broadly, to business in general - “their native element”. During the Union era, for example, they dominated the markets of Karabakh. And - it turned out, let's note. As they say in such cases, it was then possible to buy there, in all,. "To negotiate" have always been able to ... The officials of the Soviet Army and the Ministry of Internal Affairs gladly took on their "communication skills" in the last years of the Union. When Karabakh flared up ...
The principles of capitalism are more suitable for Azerbaijanis. Both they and Turkey will benefit from it. They are doing better with ,, idea, too. At the "operational" level for sure. They know where they are going and why. More order （let - ,, own ,,, let - ,, monotonous ,, let - ,, without high flight ,, ...） in the heads. Hence the successes of Baku.
And Karabakh （and Armenia） ,, overslept ,, for a quarter of a century. The authorities do not hear the people. And the common people have a strong craving for social justice, and more broadly for socialism. “Leaders ,, do not understand that ridiculous fantasies and dreams about France cannot go far. Well, and the concept of "comprador bourgeoisie" has not been canceled ... America and Europe do not need them, and they themselves are not interested in modern Russia. The stupid state ,, Russia Capitalist ,, （,, RK ,,）, that for 30 years ,, rules ,, in Russia, and the Russian people can not offer anything smart. What good advice to Armenians!
For ten years now, Russian-speaking, military specialists, are all amazed at other people's successes in the construction of attack drones ... Not only China, but also Turkey, Iran, and Israel are ahead ... in l I am ... What should the Armenian patriots talk about ?!
Although without the country RUSSIA - nowhere. Proven for centuries. So it turns out that the educational state of the RK does not only create problems for Russians

[Alena-Baku]

now a large percentage of children go to private schools for $ 6000 - $ 25000 a year, and free public schools are for the poor. For this reason, the education budget is not large.

[user1212]

Quote: Alena-Baku

now a large percentage of children go to private schools

A total of 1300 people for the whole of Azerbaijan for the academic year 20-21

Quote: Alena-Baku

payment from 6000 - 25000 dollars a year

6-12 thousand manats per year (manat-45 rubles, it turns out 22 thousand-45 thousand rubles per month)

Quote: Alena-Baku

and free public schools for the poor

If these "poor" schools are 4500, and there are about 20 private schools, then is Azerbaijan a poor country? :)

Quote: Alena-Baku

For this reason, the education budget is not large.

Well, how to say, the second item of expenditure after the defense industry, the rest of the state spends even less

[Oquzyurd]

They had been preparing for war since 1994, guessing that the Armenians would not give up peacefully what they had captured (you guessed it). Since that time they have spent on everything, on infrastructure, on the development of the country, but not as much as the country's income allowed. ) have accumulated a foreign exchange reserve of 50 billion dollars. Therefore, today they have something to spend on the liberation war, there is something to buy what they need to win.

[Bully]

Preparing for war since 1994

They were preparing not for war, but for a local conflict on the assumption that it would not come to full-scale actions - hence the appropriate tactics. In full-scale actions, strikes are delivered to the entire depth of the defense: logistical support, airfields, headquarters, warehouses, energy, industry, etc. are falling apart. I am sure that Azerbaijan is not ready for such a war either. By the way, what are you going to do with partisans and saboteurs in areas that are formally considered liberated - here UAVs are ineffective.

[Herman 4223]

Usually people are released, but who is Azerbaijan liberating? You just dispose of each other there for the joy of some. You also help to dispose of all the trash from Syria. The dissolution of the republics of the USSR was illegal, Russia, as a legal successor, may one day make claims on the territory of Azerbaijan and Armenia and everyone else. If the United States fails to destroy Russia in its current form, then this will happen one day, and then what? Why is this blood?

[Alena-Baku]

Russia, as a legal successor, may one day make claims on the territories of both Azerbaijan and Armenia and all the rest
Provider of whom Adam and Eve or primitive man.
The dissolution of the republics of the USSR was illegal
The creation of the USSR was not a law.
If the United States fails to destroy Russia
With this mindset, you have a better chance of collapse.

[Herman 4223]

Don't get your hopes up!

[Alena-Baku]

I pray for the greatness of Russia and I advise all neighboring countries to pray too.

[Herman 4223]

Well then, you are done and all the best to you.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Hyperion

Well, Turkey threw it in, naturally. And help friends and show yourself, as they say.

With a huge and wealthy Armenian diaspora, it was possible to have more modern weapons than Azerbaijan.

[Hypertension]

Quote: tihonmarine

With a huge and wealthy Armenian diaspora, it was possible to have more modern weapons than Azerbaijan.

Exactly. But as we can see, this did not happen. And now the miser pays ...

[Alena-Baku]

this is official, in fact, the market situation in Azerbaijan is different. 1 percent is shown officially, the rest is black bookkeeping, but even from it you have to pay taxes.

[user1212]

Quote: Alena-Baku

this is official, in fact, the market situation in Azerbaijan is different 1 percent you show officially the rest is black accounting, but even from it you have to pay taxes

Oh, these storytellers
Black bookkeeping pays not taxes, but bribes. Not a single school has been built with bribes :)

[PSih2097]

Quote: user1212

Black bookkeeping pays not taxes, but bribes.

as well as kickbacks / payoffs - all together this is also a kind of taxation ...

[VyacheSeymour]

How did they manage to buy weapons with this GDP - why don't they give money for anything else !? Strange ...

It's not at all strange! - while Armenia for 26 years was enjoying the chatter about victory in the war, these, tightening their belts tighter, for 26 years silently prepared for the decisive battle.

[Alien From]

Moreover, the army costs money, a lot of money. Only sovereignty is priceless !!!

[genisis]

“We have a Russian military school. Our cadres study there, our leadership is Soviet cadres. The armament is 95–96% Soviet and Russian. Over the past two years, we have brought the most modern weapons from Russia.

As a military expert, I will tell you this: the fight against UAVs is a headache all over the world. But nowhere and never has anyone fought drones as successfully as the Armenian army. We sometimes shot down 16 drones in a day. And they shot down with Soviet weapons. We do not have dozens of TORs, Shells or S-400s. There are Soviet weapons and talented soldiers who hold them in their hands. "
Artsrun Hovhannisyan
Full version of the interview here
https://riafan.ru/1318969-arcrun-podtverzhdaet-intervyu-fan-s-oficialnym-predstavitelem-mo-armenii

[OgnennyiKotik]

Quote: genisis

We have a Russian military school. Our cadres study there, our leadership is Soviet cadres. The armament is 95–96% Soviet and Russian.

In Russia, the army of the 20th century, the backlog is wild. The overwhelming majority of weapons are at best in the 70s and 80s after modernization, a small part is new, but developed in the USSR.

[genisis]

Does Russia have an army of the 20th century, while Azerbaijan has 21?
Seriously?
Is Turkey also in the 21st century?
How do you define this?

[dragy52rus]

Name the country an army that is in the top 10 in strength and has only weapons manufactured and developed since 2000.

[OgnennyiKotik]

USA Aircraft carriers such as Gerald R. Ford, F35А / В / С, Stryker family, MRAP family of armored vehicles, Bell V-22 Osprey, Virginia nuclear submarine, UDC America, San Antonio-type amphibious transport docks, MQ- 9 Reaper etc. etc. All this entered the troops in the last 15 years
China will get tired of listing
Turkey is the same, here is a video only about drones

[dragy52rus]

why are you lying? all these countries have equipment in service that was developed and produced before 2000.

[VyacheSeymour]

But nowhere and never has anyone fought with drones as successfully as the Armenian army.

Who would doubt - the ARMY is ARMENIAN!
But the Russian base in Khmeimim means drones were rolled into the sand?

We sometimes shot down 16 drones in a day.

If this were true, even Israel would have arisen with their presence!
And indeed their (downed) number seems to coincide with the Azeri personnel of the destruction of Armenian equipment ... - what, did he add these kamikazes to the asset?

[Datarem]

Quote: OgnennyiKotik

It's just that some have an army of the 20th century, others have a 21st century. While Armenia was preparing for the wars of the past, Azerbaijan was preparing for the wars of the future. New technologies provide new opportunities, those who ignore them lose.

All these technologies of the 21st century are leveled by the creation of a large number of false targets. You need to have a very thick wallet to destroy all targets with guided weapons))) As Napoleon said, what is needed for a war: money, money and more money.

[Keyser soze]

If they continue to sing with good fellows, they will break off the horns of the asker ...

[Hypertension]

Quote: Keyser Soze

If they continue to sing with good fellows, they will break off the horns of the asker ...

If the power of the army was determined by singing, then the most powerful would be the Georgian ...

[seregin-s1]

Well, you showed your fighting spirit! They dance!)

[atalef]

Quote: seregin-s1

Well, you showed your fighting spirit! They dance!)

this tono works

[Boris ⁣ Shaver]

Quote: SouzniK

Pashinyan hand over you to the Turks?

In reality, Pashinyan's Karabakh is like a fifth leg for Armenia. It is not convenient to lead Armenia on five legs into the "embrace of the civilized world", but Armenia does not agree to amputation either. In such a situation, forcible amputation with someone else's hands can solve a lot of problems for Pashinyan and Co. in one fell swoop.

[Vol4ara]

Quote: Boris ⁣ Shaver

Quote: SouzniK

Pashinyan hand over you to the Turks?

In reality, Pashinyan's Karabakh is like a fifth leg for Armenia. It is not convenient to lead Armenia on five legs into the "embrace of the civilized world", but Armenia does not agree to amputation either. In such a situation, forcible amputation with someone else's hands can solve a lot of problems for Pashinyan and Co. in one fell swoop.

That's right, the dead president has few problems

[Boris ⁣ Shaver]

Quote: Vol4ara

the dead president has few problems

If everything goes as planned, he will outlive you and me. Look at Gorbachev. And then there is the Caucasus - mountain air, mineral water flows from the ground, etc.

[Vol4ara]

Quote: Boris ⁣ Shaver

Quote: Vol4ara

the dead president has few problems

If everything goes as planned, he will outlive you and me. Look at Gorbachev. And then there is the Caucasus - mountain air, mineral water flows from the ground, etc.

He already has not everything as needed, at best he will run away before they want to put him in jail, at worst he will die from some kind of illness, quite suddenly

[Boris ⁣ Shaver]

Quote: Vol4ara

He's not all right anymore

Why then? The Karabakh issue has been put on edge and there is a high probability that with full or partial concessions it will eventually be resolved. If at the same time Pashinyan himself becomes toxic for Armenians, he will simply be replaced by a new pawn and the Armenians will again celebrate the overthrow of another dictator. As was the case with the change of Petit to Vova in one very European country. Pashinyan himself is not a piece, but a pawn. Therefore, specifically, his personal future is not so interesting (although, most likely, the owners will not give him offense). Interesting is the policy of which he is. And this policy carries something sad for NKR and Armenia.

[PSih2097]

Quote: Vol4ara

at worst, he will die of some kind of illness, quite suddenly

exactly, by the hands of Moscow from a "newbie" in a 1-fold (the British will determine how much was released) overdose ...

[Megatron]

They are not "comrades" to us, the Tambov wolf is their comrade, but also states and soros.

[Boris ⁣ Shaver]

Quote: Megatron

the Tambov wolf is their comrade, and also the states and soros.

Why did you assign the poor Tambov wolf to such a company?

[VyacheSeymour]

Where is your former fighting spirit? ..

Did they have it?
Or is he the best by definition - like everything Armenian?
Or do the Armenian victims have redder blood than the Azerbaijani soldiers who sacrificed their lives?

Why are you substituting Russia?

And what about Russia with their stupidity and special self-confidence? ...
Underestimating the enemy is the shortest path to defeat ...
Overestimating your strength is a guarantee of defeat ...

[Boris ⁣ Shaver]

Quote: VyacheSeymour

Azerbaijani soldiers who sacrificed their lives

No one invited them there. Erdogan sent them there. And he doesn't care how much blood poured out of them.

[VyacheSeymour]

No one invited them there

But should have?

... Erdogan sent them there

If Solovyov and Co. sing again: - "Trump is our president!" - hurry up to transfer this to the transporter? ... Or keep it from the last time?

[Boris ⁣ Shaver]

Quote: VyacheSeymour

should be ?

If he didn't call, then they shouldn't have gone. The Turks regard the Azerbaijanis as some kind of lower race, subordinate to their interests - and therefore, they will absolutely not regret the dead Azeris. Azerbaijani propaganda has completely closed the reality of the battlefield, and therefore Azerbaijan will not be able to spend its sons in proper mourning. Only mothers who have lost their sons will cry alone.
It was the same with the xoxles. For Europe they are consumables, and Petya shouted that everyone is immortal.
And where they came, the corpses of both the first and the second were rewarded with only disgusting contempt from those whom they came to "free".

Quote: VyacheSeymour

transporant

You are now so entangled in your own fantasies that you do not even realize that those around you are looking at reality, and not at pictures from your sick brain, and therefore absolutely do not understand what you are talking about.

[VyacheSeymour]

You mixed everything together ...

If he didn't call, then they shouldn't have gone.

How long have you been deciding who, what should not?

... Turks consider Azerbaijanis as some kind of inferior race, subordinate to their interests - and therefore, they will absolutely not regret the dead Azeris.

And from where, and how long ago did you suddenly manifest such knowledge?

Azerbaijani propaganda has completely closed the reality of the battlefield, and therefore Azerbaijan will not be able to spend its sons in proper mourning.

The reality is that a normal state is forced and must dose information. What is transmitted from the front (judging by what is happening in the republic) is quite enough for the imposed martial law. Armenia is late, urgently introduces restrictions and censorship on the media space. This is normal. ...
And why in Azerbaijan they will not be able to conduct their sons in a proper way? - Because you suggested so? Or an idea
borrowed from zomboyaschik? And cheyto suddenly you are so concerned about it!

Only mothers who have lost their sons will cry alone.

You probably don't know that in the Caucasus only women mourn those killed in battles? The country mourns for them. Fathers are proud.

You are now so entangled in your own fantasies that you do not even realize that those around you are looking at reality, and not at pictures from your sick brain, and therefore absolutely do not understand what you are talking about.

Unfortunately, YOUR sick brain is not able to generate its own thoughts ... and what you claim to be your own is only on this branch,
like a carbon copy, dozens. And the fact that you are happy to be
one of something - only confirms my words.
Dogs.
I gave you a plus sign. Sleep well comrade.

[Boris ⁣ Shaver]

Quote: VyacheSeymour

How long have you been deciding who, what should not?

How long have I been thinking and arguing about "what is good and what is bad"? Yes, since childhood, like all normal people.

Quote: VyacheSeymour

from where, and how long ago did you suddenly manifest such knowledge?

I have a sufficient number of Azerbaijanis friends. And what is especially valuable, they are all quite smart, successful and educated people, as a result of which their brains are not washed with that low-standard propaganda that today leads Azerbaijani boys to the slaughter for other people's interests.

Quote: VyacheSeymour

only women mourn those killed in battle

It is easier for women to cry when the country pays due honors to their sons who died in the war, and does not bury them quietly, like some criminals.
And xoxly, those even refused to take their corpses - who needs it, this meat?

Quote: VyacheSeymour

dose and form

Lying about losses is necessary only for those who have no successes capable of justifying these losses.

Quote: VyacheSeymour

own thoughts

Oh, yes, I see that I am talking with an intellectual full of "my own thoughts"

Quote: VyacheSeymour

plus sign

On his forehead with brilliant green paint another batch of Azerbaijani guys, whom the “leader” Aliyev will obsequiously send for meat for the Sultan's irrepressible lust for power.
Or on the foreheads of ukran boys, the next batch of which the clown-president will sacrifice to the owners.
It depends on which of them is closer to you.

[private person]

Where is your former fighting spirit? ..

What spirit? They threw the technique, they are dashing about. The suitcases have probably already been packed in Russia to get rid of.

[Alexey from Perm]

having only one patriotism, it is difficult for Armenians to fight UAVs that destroy their equipment.

[paul3390]

Well, Azerbaijan is well prepared for the current round. Proving once again that an army armed in the fashion of the 20th century is no longer nifiga against the army, even with elements of the 21st .. Now they need to prove that they are ready to cope with the people's war. After all, there are mountains .. And then the same Saud - pumped up to the eyebrows with modern weapons, but what's the use against the Houthis? Not everything is so simple, and high-precision is certainly a powerful argument, but by no means a sword-kladenets .. And it has a habit of ending quickly ..

Another thing is unclear - what has Armenia been doing all these years? Was it not clear that a rematch would certainly follow? And you need to approach him in good sports form?

[SouzniK]

Quote: paul3390

Another thing is unclear - what has Armenia been doing all these years? Was it not clear that a rematch would certainly follow? And you need to approach him in good sports form?

Russia was holding a meeting, go away and greet the EU and the USA.
Soon the Turks will start walking with them again, as representatives of the EU and the USA with the UN ..

[SaLaR]

and they also danced beautifully ... watched the video ... and so India was drawn ...)

[Buka001]

Even as she held a rally, all the people insulted Russia and anatushka, probably because thanks to her it was formed, cuddled, dressed, shod, warmed with gas, and armed free of charge. Google the rest yourself

[Buka001]

I apologize that the pictures were not uploaded on the post

[MKPU-115]

They are now waiting and hoping for help from the United States.

[Same lech]

Forgot to upload photos of inseparable friends ...

[Boris ⁣ Shaver]

Gendolph signs another dwarf for another adventure.

[Equalized]

Yesterday, in the Fizuli region, the Armenians lost a whole tank company, no less.

Here at least 5 T-72s were taken on the move, a couple of damaged, destroyed. + BMP.

[Keyser soze]

Yesterday, in the Fizuli region, the Armenians lost a whole tank company, no less.

In general, the Azerbaijanis are great - they have already destroyed more than 500 Armenian tanks out of 300 possible. Keep up good work! By the end of the week, you will do all 700.

[Livonetc]

The Armenians are now really suffering heavy losses and cannot fundamentally oppose anything.

[seregin-s1]

In fact, the Armenians are talking about 500 tanks, which Azerbaijan has never had.

[Keyser soze]

In fact, the Armenians are talking about 500 tanks.

Yes, and those are a bit of storytellers, but the Azerbaijanis officially declared 30 tanks destroyed on September 190, and 3 on October 230 ... and then they stopped counting them .... The counter had already gone off scale.

[Nagaibak]

Keyser Soz "The counter is already off scale."
wait not yet evening.)))

[Equalized]

Why this stupid comment? I am not Azerbaijani in the first place. Secondly, Azerbaijanis post videos with proofs and we analyze them, which is the essence of military websites and forums.

If I were you, I would be ashamed to write such comments that do not contain any constructiveness. Good luck.

[Oquzyurd]

"If I were you, I would be ashamed to write such comments" Do not wait, he is a Bulgarian Natsik with a specialty aimed at hating everything Turkic (including Azerbaijanis), wherever it is.

[Keyser soze]

Don't wait, he's a Bulgarian natsi ...

I am just a Bulgarians, who very well remembers the genocide that you staged on the Armenians, killed 1,5 million of them and did not even apologize, like normal people. There the Germans have apologized a hundred times, for the Second World War. And now the Turks have started to slaughter the Armenians again. This arrogance really pisses me off.

The Turks slaughtered Bulgarians, Serbs, Armenians, Greeks, whoever and even you, Azerbaijanis, and you went to them in ibriks. It all says about you and your psychology. 14th century.

[Oquzyurd]

"killed 1,5 million" In every corner it is repeated, like you. Tell me where these numbers come from, and how and by whom is it proven? Can you cite a source with docs? No need for long texts, it is the source on which the figure 1,5 is based

[Keyser soze]

Tell me where these numbers come from, and how and by whom is it proven?

Do you want to prove with exact figures, maybe with video clips of the events of a century ago? This has been proven by contemporaries of the genocide and recognized by the Parliaments of all leading countries of the world.

You also kicked off the use of Syrian terrorists - they say Macron is lying, Aliyev banged his fist on the table, and then - Naryshkin, evidence in the press, burials in Syria, terrorists' videos ... that everyone is lying and you are so white? Are Macron and Naryshkin and the Germans lying?

All the good things are ahead of you. The Armenians will give you a boot in your face and the international community is difficult to harness, but then the prosecutors of the Court of Crimes against Humanity will crawl over you and it will really hurt you. 100 infa - as I look into the water. I asked Vanga ...

[Oquzyurd]

"This has been proven by contemporaries of the genocide and recognized by the Parliaments of all leading countries of the world."

[Keyser soze]

"This has been proven by contemporaries of the genocide and recognized by the Parliaments of all leading countries of the world." lol

What can you say about terrorists, or is this passage not profitable? And this is with a laugh, you are a very unreasonable Turk .... believe me. The last laugh is good.

And remember - in a week or two you will be broadcasting to us about the universal victory of the Azeri weapons, because they de-occluded your great-grandmother's cowshed with rockets, and we will look at the maps of Colonel Cassad and burst into laughter. And your Aliyev will go only to Turkey, but this is not certain. Maybe Yerdogan will send him a silk rope.

[Oquzyurd]

"What can you say about terrorists, or is this passage not profitable?" Facts are stubborn things. If there is, pliz, let's see. Azerbaijan is a secular country, with a large and highly trained army, and hundreds of thousands of volunteers who disciplinedly wait for the consent of the military registration and enlistment office to send them to the front. Why the heck for such a country, Middle Eastern thugs, eh ??? What the fuck ??? They are not and will not be in Azerbaijan. You dream that it was so, that they were, you dream. How much you hate us, you blindly hate. Your dreams and your slander will not pass.

[VyacheSeymour]

Do you want to prove with exact figures, maybe with video clips of the events of a century ago? This has been proven by contemporaries of the genocide and recognized by the Parliaments of all leading countries of the world.

You blurted out about the genocide recognized by the parliaments ... - Are you saying that in order to get into parliament you need to have a HISTORICAL education? ... - are they all historians and contemporaries of the genocide there?

[Garris199]

Well, if it turns out that it is not 1.5 million but 700 thousand - what makes a difference?

[Oquzyurd]

The proven losses of Armenians during the First World War are 90 thousand people and most of them died in arms, against their state, where they were citizens before, against the Ottoman Empire. The topic of "genocide" was raised by them since 1954, and they voiced 90 thousand people after all the research, then later they began to call 300 thousand, then 1 million, then 1,5 million reached, some now blow about 2 million, cannot stop. Although, at that time, according to the 1913 , throughout the Ottoman Empire (Asia Minor, the Balkans, the Middle East, North Africa), there were 1,35 million Armenians, and according to the archival data of the Americans, slightly more than 1,4 million Armenians.

[Pilat2009]

Quote: Oquzyurd

The proven loss of Armenians during the First World War is 90 thousand people

You also say that the Turks did not carry out genocide in Smyrna. They are straight white and fluffy. Before the fluffy ones that in Constantinople (now Istanbul), 2000 people remained from the numerous Greek diaspora. In addition to the genocide of the First World War, there were still mass killings in 1894-1896.

"We have already got rid of three quarters of the Armenians, they are no longer left in Bitlis, Van and Erzurum. Hatred between Armenians and Turks is so strong now that we must put an end to them. If we do not do this, they will take revenge on us."

[Equalized]

I kind of don't give a shit who killed whom and when. I am analyzing the FACTS about the military conflict and you answered me with some kind of delusional message that did not carry any constructiveness.

You will discuss the Armenian genocide in the historical section, and here we count the tanks.

[Krasnodar]

There are fans, and you can understand Azerbaijanis and Armenians. And I recommend the rest to look at everything from the point of view of the conduct of hostilities and to root for an early end to the conflict. People are dying there, including peaceful people from both sides.

[VyacheSeymour]

I am just a Bulgarian who very well remembers the genocide that you committed to the Armenians,

And the mammoths (which you artificially bred and to whom the Chukchi and Eskimos staged genocide) do you also remember? ... - impressive antiquity ...

[atalef]

Quote: Keyser Soze

I'm just a Bulgarian who very well remembers the genocide that you committed to the Armenians

Evgeniy . Well, all the same, let's be honest - Azerbaijanis have nothing to do with it
It is not worth drowning against Azerbaijan just because they are allies of Turkey.
Such analogies can lead quite far.
we have to look realistically, Armenia occupies part of the Azerbaijani territory and not only Karabakh - this is a fact.
The Turks are helping them - one can understand this too - first of all, they are practically brothers. and secondly, Azerbaijan needs this assistance to achieve its goals, the case when the goals of both countries coincide. what will happen next - nobody knows. and now in politics as in politics.

[seregin-s1]

Why post videos where the missiles did not hit? And the Armenians really lag behind in propaganda, or there is nothing to show.

[Aaron Zawi]

The Azerbaijani army finally took Jabrail.

[Nagaibak]

Aron Zaavi "The Azerbaijani army finally took Jabrail."
Shaw again?)))

[Nychego]

This time, Azerbaijan is fighting an unusually decent fight: mass stampedes after unsuccessful attacks are not visible, and the attacks themselves are much better prepared, the enemy's OS is suppressed, the fortifications are destroyed, the HP is mostly knocked out and the approach of reinforcements is at least difficult, only after that the attack. It's a pity that the footage of the attacks themselves are not shown, well, yes, censorship, but I would like to check out the literacy of movements.
The stump is clear, not without overlaps, especially in the first days, when there were alternatively gifted people who had passed the drill, but in general, while the Armenians were telling each other with barbecue and brandy, what good fellows they are, one feels, Azerbaijanis were learning modern "military art in a real way."

[Cyril G ...]

Quote: Nychego

Azerbaijan fights very well:

On the map, this decency is not noticeable.

[Nychego]

Quote: Cyril G ...

On the map, this decency is not noticeable.

Well, yes, there will be no throws into this company as long as the enemy is "strong and alive." Attacking tanks also burn remarkably from the simplest RPG-7s, explode with landmines, and are hammered by long-range artillery (albeit if there is an observer-spotter).
"Grind and advance", it looks like this tactic is being implemented by the Azerbaijanis in this company.

[Oquzyurd]

All right, before the Azerbaijani Armed Forces, trenches, pillboxes, mines, mountains, 26-year-old enemy positions and the armed forces of Armenia, cannons, tanks, rocket systems, etc. In this case, you need to choose the most optimal one in order to move forward with relatively few losses forward. What we see is what we see.

[Garris199]

I would say that Armenians fight much worse. Relaxed, the enemy was underestimated. What prevented the Russian Federation from purchasing the same Orlan-10 at least a couple of dozen. Artillery would have had a different efficiency, and in general intelligence would have been at a different level.

[Fan-fan]

How to buy, but they have no money, Putin gives them all the weapons on credit. Azerbaijan pays for weapons in cash.

[Hyperion]

They also bombed the church where Russian journalists were.

[seregin-s1]

The journalist knows where he is going.

[Oleg123219307]

Quote: Hyperion

They also bombed the church where Russian journalists were.

And these woodpeckers are journalists who, in the morning, conducted a telegram from this church in which they showed a full church of soldiers preparing to go to the front. They also told where exactly this church is located. And what were they waiting for? Happy New Years? They seem to be smart men, not the first day at the front ... But they themselves set themselves up and set people up.

[seregin-s1]

I saw Koz's report from the front line. At the positions of the howitzers of the Armenians. He could be killed too.

[Hyperion]

Warrior The kitten is heavy.

[Livonetc]

In Shusha, the military commander and editor-in-chief of Segodnya.Ru Yuri Kitten was seriously wounded as a result of shelling

[Tagan]

Quote: paul3390

Another thing is unclear - what has Armenia been doing all these years? Was it not clear that a rematch would certainly follow? And you need to approach him in good sports form?

And the oppositionists, who had seized power, had no time to deal with the issues of defending the fatherland, and it was not in their rules. Well, like we have during the perestroika period.

[Avior]

Oppositionists have been there for only 2 years
And before that, the positioners were thirty years old.

[TatarinSSSR]

As I wrote earlier here, only full control of the airspace and modern means of detecting and defeating enemy reconnaissance and strike UAVs will save armored vehicles and so on. Armenia does not have that. From here and get in full on the most I do not want.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

The pro-Western Pashinyan betrayed Armenia and surrenders Nagorno-Karabakh to Azerbaijan, in order to then withdraw from the CSTO and stop cooperation with Russia and close the Russian bases on the territory of Armenia.

Under Pashinyan, Armenia deliberately did not provide modern air defense to Nagorno-Karabakh, and this is knowing that Azerbaijan is intensively developing in the field of using UAVs and cooperating with Turkey.

Pashinyan had to do everything to buy and put into service in Nagorno-Karabakh modern air defense systems such as Pantsir and BUKs, but he did nothing. At least on credit, at least to announce a voluntary fundraising from all Armenians in the world.

If Armenia loses Nagorny Karabakh they will lose their future.

[Oleg123219307]

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

If Armenia loses Nagorny Karabakh they will lose their future.

They have already lost. Both, deciding to sell us to the States. Azerbaijan is bigger, economically stronger, and openly receives support from Turkey. And according to the law, Azerbaijan is right. So the Armenians had all the hope that we would help. Well, they probably ask for help in some other way, otherwise close Russian schools, shout the Russian invaders out of Armenia, prevent the base from being modernized, catch "Russian spies", these are some wrong signals of love, partnership and alliance. Now they are reaping the fruits of their labors in the field of licking the fifth point of Soros. Good luck actually. Our command will not send guys to die for ungrateful pseudo-allies.

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: oleg123219307

to close Russian schools, to shout Russian invaders out of Armenia, not to allow the base to be modernized, to catch "Russian spies", these are some wrong signals of love, partnership and alliance. Now reaping the fruits of their labors in the field of licking the fifth point of Soros

I agree ! I already said earlier ... "spit in the well ... now slurp!" ...

[Oquzyurd]

Armenians fired with Tochka-U rockets everywhere. Pay attention to the size of the pit. It was lucky for the people in the village that they crashed into the field 500-600 meters from the village. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgzG44QcZaU They are war criminals, they cannot be called otherwise.

[MKPU-115]

Quote: Oquzyurd

Armenians fired with Tochka-U rockets everywhere. Pay attention to the size of the pit.

Pit from "Tochka-U", thank you laughed, kindergarten pants with straps.

[Oquzyurd]

Then from what, from your bunch of chtol?

[MKPU-115]

Quote: Oquzyurd

Then from what, from your bunch of chtol?

Your level of knowledge in military affairs is below the floor.
Do you all have such training there?

[Oquzyurd]

You, with a sage look, did not say why such a pit on the field.

[MKPU-115]

Quote: Oquzyurd

You, with a sage look, did not say why such a pit on the field.

I am writing for those who came down from the mountains for salt, imagined themselves to be a great tactician and flooded with their, to put it mildly, stupid comments ISRAELIAN topwar.ru.
"Point U" - high-altitude detonation of a warhead, works across areas.
Warhead 9H123 high-explosive fragmentation 163 kg of explosives with 14.5 thousand fragments. Covers an area up to 3 hectares.
Warhead 9H123K cluster fragmentation projectile with 50 submunitions of 7.5 kg each. covers up to 7 hectares.

9N39 nuclear warhead 10 CT
9N64 nuclear warhead 200 KT.

[Oquzyurd]

Kurchatov from the plain, never told what the foundation pit was from. But he tells clever things with an intelligent air. Could this old thing, period, stupidly fall and dig the ground, or explode after contact?

[MKPU-115]

It enters the ground, usually at an angle of 35-75 degrees, but does not explode.
This is done for safety, so that it does not explode during launch, the rocket requires routine maintenance, if it is not done on time, it turns into a high-tech blank.

[TatarinSSSR]

Plus. For everything is exactly what you said.

[maktub]

Conspiracy: Too great reputational and electoral losses

[iouris]

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

If Armenia loses Nagorny Karabakh they will lose their future.

This means that such an Armenia has no future. There will be another.
PS I should have stopped butting for a long time.

[Buka001]

Peaceful Armenians have a future, of which 150 live in Azerbaijan at the moment. There is no future for the Armenians-fascists, poisoned by national nonsense, they make their people unhappy !!!

[atalef]

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

Pro-Western Pashinyan betrayed Armenia and surrenders Nagorno-Karabakh to Azerbaijan, in order to then withdraw from the CSTO and stop cooperation with Russia and close Russian bases on the territory of Armenia

somehow everything is very complicated. was it easier?

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

Pashinyan had to do everything to buy and put into service Nagorno-Karabakh modern air defense systems such as Pantsir and BUKs, but he did nothing

buy?

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

At least on credit, at least to announce a voluntary fundraising from all Armenians in the world.

Why didn't he send the money himself?

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

If Armenia loses Nagorny Karabakh they will lose their future.

Well, damn it, all Armenia depends on NK - can you tell us what kind of cheesecakes are spread with caviar?

[Glory1974]

Pashinyan had to do everything to buy and put into service in Nagorno-Karabakh modern air defense systems such as Pantsir and BUKs, but he did nothing.

According to the Versia newspaper, Pashinyan bought the old Osa air defense systems in Jordan for 35 million dollars, which cannot operate on UAVs. Part of the money ended up in the pockets of interested persons, the air defense is not ready for combat. If this is not sabotage, then what?

[andreykolesov123]

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

If Armenia loses Nagorny Karabakh they will lose their future.

they will not lose anything, they will live as they did. In 100 years, they will make peace with Azerbaijan.

[maktub]

By the way, Serbia and Albania have already turned to Turkey with a request for the possibility of purchasing Bayraktar TB2

[Odysseus]

Azerbaijan has serious successes in the south. However, this was expected. Only there the terrain is favorable for the actions of large masses of equipment + air supremacy.
The question is how they will develop their success further. So far, they have been unable to attack "up" along the gorges from Dzhabrail. It is possible to pull the gut along the Araks to the border, but there may be a flank attack. Or you need to go further to Akery with a turn to the north.
And as for drones, yes, they shoot for sure. But, of course, they post videos only with their own successes.

[Vadim237]

They will go along the Iranian border - and then they will gain a foothold and will shell the mountainous regions of Karabakh with crossfire from the north and east until all the remaining air defense equipment and artillery are killed, and further from the northwest they will start in ticks.

[Alien From]

Note that Azerbaijan is far from the most technologically advanced country in terms of armaments ...

[iouris]

This is not a criterion. Karabakh will most likely be returned. Let's see what will happen next.

[Alien From]

Let's be neutral. It can be seen with the naked eye that Azerbaijan is much more technologically advanced than Armenia. He is also more solvent, in our time this is already half the success.

[donavi49]

Now the nets have been pulled + branches have been sketched = it does not help from a thermal imager.

It is possible to hide the equipment from the UAV only with new adaptive camouflages in the IR spectrum, which are more expensive than the equipment itself at this stage.

[iouris]

And in general - the war has been won ... by 95%.
Tomorrow they will think: why did they fight? Wah!

[maktub]

Exactly, reaching the borders is not yet a victory.
We do not know Aliyev's plans for the local, most likely hostile population, or to assimilate or evict (which the world community will not understand)

[Tagan]

Quote: Avior

Oppositionists have been there for only 2 years
And before that, the positioners were thirty years old.

In two years, ten times you can not leave a stone unturned in a country of this size. Tell us, has the newly-minted government hit a finger on a finger in terms of increasing the defense capability?

[Avior]

Thirty years of the old government did not interest you, but two years of the new one are very much.

[Fan-fan]

The new Armenian government is like a bone in the throat for our jingoistic patriots, so they are glad that they are losing the war. And I wonder if an old Putin friend remained in power in Armenia, would they also be happy?

[Radical]

Quote: OgnennyiKotik

Quote: SouzniK

One Azerbaijan with its rollers. Here .. Where are the Armenian comrades? Have they really surrendered or Pashinyan is turning you over to the Turks?

It's just that some have an army of the 20th century, others have a 21st century. While Armenia was preparing for the wars of the past, Azerbaijan was preparing for the wars of the future. New technologies provide new opportunities, those who ignore them lose.

It was not Armenia that prepared for the wars of the past, but those who prepared it (or did not prepare it), and also armed it.

[Victorm]

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

The pro-Western Pashinyan betrayed Armenia and surrenders Nagorno-Karabakh to Azerbaijan, in order to then withdraw from the CSTO and stop cooperation with Russia and close the Russian bases on the territory of Armenia.

Under Pashinyan, Armenia deliberately did not provide modern air defense to Nagorno-Karabakh, and this is knowing that Azerbaijan is intensively developing in the field of using UAVs and cooperating with Turkey.

Pashinyan had to do everything to buy and put into service in Nagorno-Karabakh modern air defense systems such as Pantsir and BUKs, but he did nothing. At least on credit, at least to announce a voluntary fundraising from all Armenians in the world.

If Armenia loses Nagorny Karabakh they will lose their future.

I would not like to join the supporters of the hated Pashinyan, but the truth is dearer. Pashinyan took in essence the ruins of Serzh Sargsyan and Robert Kocharian. Now we are discussing air defense, Armenia, having received the S-300 from the Russian Federation, transferred the Krug air defense system in addition to those available there, but after removing them from service, it did not bother with new complexes of a similar class at all, and this was not under Pashinyan. Look at the tanks, many have no reactive armor, etc.
By the way, on the same issue of Karabakh, he started straight, but then, apparently unable to cope with the internal problems of Armenia, he decided to ride the already worn-out, but as it might seem trouble-free, topic of Karabakh and obviously went too far.
Pashinyan's evil to the Armenian people will no longer come from the loss of Karabakh, but from the loss of hope. Still, you must agree that Soros is not Soros, but the Armenians are the first people in the CIS who just went out and stood on the streets saying to the authorities - ENOUGH! Basta! Another question is who they went for and who is their puppeteer, although it is clear that there are no fools sitting in the striped embassy and their seeds, including anti-Russian rhetoric, fell on fertile soil. But the fact is the fact, the Armenians were the first who, through a nationwide action of disobedience, were able to achieve a change of power, practically without blood. It is understandable that Armenia is small, but in a small, and even more so in a Caucasian republic, it was actually not so easy.

[Nasrat]

Quote: VictorM

But the fact is the fact, the Armenians were the first who, through a nationwide action of disobedience, were able to achieve a change of power, practically without blood. ...

Well, have you changed the government, have you become a better life? They changed their power, and looked for the enemy in the person of Russia ...
Show me at least one country, for example, since the time of the so-called Arab Spring, which country began to live better after the change of government ..
...

[Fan-fan]

So now, the power cannot be changed? Should they sit there for life?

[Victorm]

Quote: Nasr

Quote: VictorM

But the fact is the fact, the Armenians were the first who, through a nationwide action of disobedience, were able to achieve a change of power, practically without blood. ...

Well, have you changed the government, have you become a better life? They changed their power, and looked for the enemy in the person of Russia ...
Show me at least one country, for example, since the time of the so-called Arab Spring, which country began to live better after the change of government ..
...

NONE. But this is not a reason to put up with the lawlessness of the authorities. The Arab Spring, like the "revolutions" in Georgia, Ukraine, Armenia, in the process in Belarus - the origins of this movement are not a popular movement, not a movement of an independent and self-sufficient society, but popular / public indignation played out by external forces. Still, a mature society at least will not become a puppet and at least they will choose the lesser of two evils in an effort to preserve sovereignty and independence.

[Old26]

Quote: Keyser Soze

In fact, the Armenians are talking about 500 tanks.

Yes, and those are a bit of storytellers, but the Azerbaijanis officially declared 30 tanks destroyed on September 190, and 3 on October 230 ... and then they stopped counting them .... The counter had already gone off scale.

Not at all. According to the Military Balance 2020, Karabakh has approximately 371 tanks. so that the counter did not go off scale.

[Cyril G ...]

The coefficient of lies on both sides ranges from 10 to 20 ...

[ont65]

It is difficult for unrecognized state entities to resist an organized enemy, no matter whether it is a state or hired formations. Only a supportive neighbor is able to organize a semblance of an umbrella, and then if he himself is not weak. Money alone is not enough here, and much is not available to them on the arms market with money. If many do not like it, it will hardly come to a rout, from a certain moment other tools will be connected, but the experience gained will be useful.

[Ovsigovets]

Quote: Keyser Soze

PPP GDP is higher for Azerbaijan.

Here's the problem with PPP accounts - tanks and flying boNbs are sold for dollars and not for dollars at PPP ...
Conventionally, one Bosch washing machine costs 400 euros with us, with you and in Australia, and there you can count your income as you want.

so what? so you have to make your own weapon yourself))) economy

[Tagan]

Quote: Avior

Thirty years of the old government did not interest you, but two years of the new one are very much.

Sure. And you are not interested in why the conflict flared up with such force precisely under the new government? For "oppositionists" this is such a trifle, right?)))

[Hermit21]

Oh balabols ... To reliably disable a tank, you need a warhead of at least 50 kg, and even better 100-250. And then, supposedly, a 20-30 kilogram bomb. Oh well

[Datarem]

Quote: Hermit21

Oh balabols ... To reliably disable a tank, you need a warhead of at least 50 kg, and even better 100-250. And then, supposedly, a 20-30 kilogram bomb. Oh well

If the cumulative warhead is enough.

[Hermit21]

And there is no cumulative

[Datarem]

Quote: Hermit21

And there is no cumulative

The high-precision small-sized ammunition (bomb) MAM-L (SMM - Smart Micro Munition) weighing 22 kg, developed by the Turkish company Roketsan specifically for use with UAVs, is actually a “trimmed” version of the Roketsan L-UMTAS ATGM (weight 37,5 kg,) with removal sections of the rocket engine and equipping with a laser semi-active guidance system. Ammunition length 1 m, caliber 160 mm. A warhead weighing 10 kg can be of two types - high-explosive fragmentation or tandem cumulative. It is stated that when dropped from a significant altitude, the flight range of the MAM-L exceeds 8 km.

[Datarem]

How to hide equipment in the bare steppe ?? By creating a large number of decoys. For example, put a technique under tents, with the creation of 5-10 false ones for each one. For technology:
from national

from modern

for an individual shooter, machine gunner, ATGM operator

with the creation of 20-30 false.

All this should be placed in the base of a kilometer by a kilometer or more, plus artillery and missile defense systems in distant base stations. It is better to remove the RZSO from trucks for easier camouflage.

HAAA let them now spend thousands of guided bombs and missiles)))))))

[Herman 4223]

Very interesting, the Armenians started to use disguise at last. The camouflage is really not very good, but go and now find out the truth there was a tank or its layout seemed to be poorly disguised.
There was such information that the Poles in Karabakh opened a small enterprise for the manufacture of mulezhes of military equipment in 2014. If everything is done correctly, the effectiveness of drone strikes can be greatly reduced.

[Vladimir61]

Quote: SouzniK

Why are you substituting Russia? Where is your former fighting spirit? ..

Russia, which side? Soldiers are always substituted by their own command and politicians. A soldier is combat-ready and fights not only on duties and patriotism, but also on how trained, how provided, what he is armed with and what his commanders are like.

[Archivist Vasya]

And what kind of trash is lying in the behe? Everything is thrown off and smashed ...

[MKPU-115]

Quote: Oquzyurd

Kurchatov from the plain

You flatter me.