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"Wrong border": Georgia claims that Russia "planted" incorrect topographic maps

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"Wrong border": Georgia claims that Russia "planted" incorrect topographic maps

A scandal flares up in Georgia around a section of the border with Azerbaijan. On October 7 this year, the country's prosecutor's office announced the arrest of two former members of the border demarcation and delimitation commission. Ex-employees Iveri Melashvili and Natalya Ilicheva are accused of using "incorrect" topographic maps created outside Georgia to determine the state border of Georgia.


The statement states that when determining the border, allegedly Russian topographic maps were used, and, the state border was determined according to Russian data, and not according to Georgian data. Thus, a territory of several tens of square kilometers, along with three ancient Georgian monasteries, was transferred to Azerbaijan.

The party of former Georgian President Mikheil Saakashvili has already stated that these topographic maps were allegedly planted in the Georgian-Azerbaijani commission with the help of a "secret officer of Russian intelligence". The media controlled by Saakashvili are already in full swing exaggerating the "Russian trace" in this case, stating that in this way Russia wants to embroil Georgia and Azerbaijan.

Russia threw the wrong cards on Georgia to try to destroy the friendly triangle, which includes Azerbaijan and Turkey in addition to Georgia. (...) it can only be beneficial to Russia - against the background of the flaring up the Armenian-Azerbaijani armed conflict

- said in a statement.

The prosecutor's office intends to investigate the entire chain of "Russian wrong maps" getting into the commission, which was used to delimit and demarcate the border with Azerbaijan.
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  1. Operator
    Operator 8 October 2020 13: 42
    61
    Moreover, Russia, along with the maps, planted Georgia with the wrong Georgians, who did not know about the existence of "three ancient Georgian monasteries" laughing

    1. Pereira
      Pereira 8 October 2020 13: 45
      10
      Arrested atheists. They thought they were Muslim monasteries.
      1. Insurgent
        Insurgent 8 October 2020 14: 02
        28
        "Wrong border": Georgia claims that Russia "planted" incorrect topographic maps

        Moreover, the magnetized compass was slipped in ... The "fake-card" was oriented along it, therefore it turned out generally sad.
        And in general, the Russians also have a globe that is not correct, crooked ...

        Zrada, ( ღალატი ) ...
        1. Reviews
          Reviews 8 October 2020 14: 11
          +6
          Quote: Insurgent

          And in general, the Russians also have a globe that is not correct, crooked ...

          And then. Kravava-Savdepavsky reference ellipsoid of Krasovsky, not the dimacratic-radiant WGS.
          1. Serg koma
            Serg koma 9 October 2020 06: 58
            +2
            It's a disease! The maidanuto pink infection, in acute form, spreads primarily in the territory of the former Soviet republics. Affects the brain. Symptoms: pronounced idiocy. Examples of symptomatology (some of) of cases: Ukraine - map, Estonia - map; Georgia map; Latvia-map the list of patients can be continued, but the infection is active abroad in Japan, Korea ...
            REPUBLIC OF CHINA (TAIWAN)
            One of the most anecdotal territorial disputes is connected with the island Republic of China (Taiwan), located thousands of kilometers away and unrecognized, which, considering itself the heir to the Ch'ing Empire, does not recognize the Russian affiliation of the Tuva Republic (formerly the Uryankhai Territory) and part of the left bank of the Amur opposite the city of Heihe, where there are now 64 Russian villages with a total area of ​​176 sq. km
            1. Essex62
              Essex62 9 October 2020 07: 40
              +1
              This infection has haunted humanity throughout its history. There is no clinic here. Moreover, "disease" at all levels, to cut a neighbor's plot is the dream of every farmer. And you can come up with any justification, church or land surveyor, with a hangover, crookedly pulled the string.
              1. vVvAD
                vVvAD 9 October 2020 09: 53
                0
                To hide your own negligence, professional incompetence or corruption, all means are good negative
                1. Essex62
                  Essex62 9 October 2020 11: 58
                  +1
                  But the punitive measures, in fact, "wrong cards'", like a clinic.
        2. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 8 October 2020 14: 16
          14
          Quote: Insurgent
          Moreover, the magnetized compass was slipped in ... The "fake-card" was oriented along it, therefore it turned out generally sad.

          No-no-no ... Russian spies cunningly planted an ax under the compass. smile
          They were calculated on it - for it was the award ax of the NKVD.

          1. Uncle lee
            Uncle lee 8 October 2020 14: 39
            -5
            laughing In fact, the villains put an ax under the barometer! wink
            1. mikh-korsakov
              mikh-korsakov 8 October 2020 15: 10
              11
              Nope, Vladimir, you are mistaken. Recently I watched the old film "Fifteen Years Captain" with my granddaughter. So there the pirate and slave trader Negoro put the ax under the compass, but why put the ax under the barometer?
              1. Insurgent
                Insurgent 8 October 2020 15: 27
                +8
                Quote: mikh-korsakov
                pirate and slaver Negoro

                He - "Ebony merchant Sebastian Pereiro" yes
              2. Fitter65
                Fitter65 8 October 2020 15: 41
                +8
                Quote: mikh-korsakov
                Negoro put the ax under the compass, but why put it under the barometer?

                So after all, under the compass an ax to lay down is trite, but under the barometer ...! laughing good
              3. Uncle lee
                Uncle lee 8 October 2020 15: 41
                +3
                Well, what are you straightforward! I put two emoticons that this is a joke of humor! They didn't get it anyway!
              4. hohol95
                hohol95 8 October 2020 16: 37
                0
                There was a metal bar in the book.
              5. Pete mitchell
                Pete mitchell 8 October 2020 22: 09
                +5
                My friend, how are you so
                Quote: mikh-korsakov
                why put it under the barometer?
                - well, in order to also challenge the height of the Caucasian ridge ... laughing
            2. Insurgent
              Insurgent 8 October 2020 15: 11
              +4
              Quote: Uncle Lee
              In fact, the villains put an ax under the barometer!

              Do we know different "Fifteen-year-old captains"? belay
              1. Uncle lee
                Uncle lee 8 October 2020 15: 44
                +5
                Quote: Insurgent
                different "Fifteen-year-old captains"

                No, some .... The ax can still be placed under the windlass, under the bollard and under the captain's pillow! I assure you - the effect is the same! laughing
            3. tralmaster
              tralmaster 9 October 2020 12: 30
              +1
              But do not tell me how you can pave the way according to the barometer, maybe it's time to nominate you for the Nobel Prize.
            4. Simon
              Simon 9 October 2020 20: 12
              0
              No..e! Under the compass!
        3. Alex777
          Alex777 8 October 2020 14: 58
          +5
          9 years have passed! We realized! bully
          I thought the Balts had brakes.
          Have Russian spies planted maps for Azerbaijan too? laughing
          Azerbaijani and Georgian experts have completed work on the demarcation of the border, the chairman of the State Committee for Land and Cartography of Azerbaijan Garib Mammadov said, Trend reports. "Currently, we expect an invitation from the Georgian side to discuss the work done at the level of experts," Mammadov said.

          As Vesti.Az reports, touching upon the issue of the length of the border with Georgia, G. Mammadov noted that it is 480 km, 300 km of which have been agreed, and over 180 km work is underway at the level of experts.

          As for the Keshikchi dag complex (located on the uncoordinated part of the border with Georgia and which the Georgians call the David Gareji monastery), then, according to G. Mammadov, the border is not determined by the location of a church or other monument on a particular territory. "When determining the border, duty cards from the times of the Soviet Union are taken into account," said the chairman of the State Committee.

          G. Mammadov also said that a few years ago the President of Azerbaijan signed an order according to which Keshikchi dag is our national property and is on the balance sheet of our country. "If Georgians or others want to visit the complex, then there are no problems. But this does not mean that the complex belongs to them or others," he concluded. Recall that Azerbaijani historians consider Keshikchi dag a monument of Albanian Christian culture. And the ancient Albanians of the Caucasus, as you know, are one of the main ancestors of the modern Azerbaijani nation.

          That is, for the historians of Azerbaijan and Georgia, the question of the ownership of this complex still remains open.

          Nevertheless, according to the reports of the agencies, yesterday the negotiator, the chairman of the State Committee for Land and Cartography of the Republic of Azerbaijan, openly made it clear that Keshikchi dag (David Gareji) belongs to Azerbaijan.

          http://www.anl.az/down/meqale/zerkalo/2011/mart/161234.htm
          1. Terenin
            Terenin 8 October 2020 15: 23
            +7
            Quote: Alex777
            We realized!
            I thought the Balts were brakes

            Not, No. here Georgians are not brakes, here they are ... slow gas yes
            1. Alex777
              Alex777 8 October 2020 15: 26
              +1
              By the way, in 2011 Saakashvili was still President! laughing
              1. ZEMCH
                ZEMCH 8 October 2020 19: 45
                +2
                Quote: Alex777
                By the way, in 2011 Saakashvili was still President!

                Apparently, the demarcation was carried out using maps, without leaving the area))) and after 9 years they learned that the monastery was in Azerbaijan, they began to look for the guilty ones)))
                Well, of course - Russia, she and the monastery in Azerbaijan gave both maps with wrong coordinates and a compass curve, and the chacha was strong)))
                Those. for 9 years they did not understand that the border was somehow not there))) And from both sides)))
                1. Alex777
                  Alex777 8 October 2020 21: 22
                  0
                  9 years later, they found out that the monastery was in Azerbaijan, they began to look for the guilty ones)))

                  The funny thing is that 9 years ago the Azerbaijanis directly said that the monasteries are ours.
                  I quoted it on purpose.
                  And received no objections. And now they woke up.
                  1. ZEMCH
                    ZEMCH 8 October 2020 21: 35
                    +3
                    They still do not notice the spinning of Adjara)))
          2. Zoldat_A
            Zoldat_A 8 October 2020 15: 37
            +3
            Quote: Alex777
            I thought the Balts had brakes.
            Azerbaijan too Russian spies planted a map?

            I remembered my favorite book - where can we go without it?
            ... an old teacher of geography asked to go to the pampas, according to whose textbook, at one time, young Berlaga got acquainted with volcanoes, capes and isthmuses. The geographer went crazy completely unexpectedly: once he looked at a map of both hemispheres and did not find the Bering Strait on it. All day the old teacher rummaged through the map. Everything was in place: Newfoundland, and the Suez Canal, and Madagascar, and the Sandwich Islands with the main city of Honolulu, and even the Popocatepetl volcanoes, and there was no Bering Strait. And right there, at the map, the old man started.
            It's just a typo to blame, but a good man got to the Napoleons' company ... wassat

            I hope that irreparable will not happen in the joint Azerbaijani-Georgian commission due to the fault of Russia ... laughing
            1. Alex777
              Alex777 8 October 2020 16: 13
              +3
              I would not wish bad things to any of the Georgians.
              But there is one exception: the MNF.
              It's not a pity for him. bully
        4. frruc
          frruc 8 October 2020 19: 42
          0
          And the Georgian thieves in law are also sent from outside.
    2. svp67
      svp67 8 October 2020 14: 43
      11
      Quote: Operator
      who did not know about the presence of "three ancient Georgian monasteries"

      More interesting is the other, but what if the data on how many shrines of Azerbaijanis are located on the territory of present-day Georgia?
      For example, the director of the Institute of History of Azerbaijan, Yagub Mahmudov, said that all of Eastern Georgia is primordially Azerbaijani lands, and Tiflis is an ancient Azerbaijani city!
      1. Scoun
        Scoun 8 October 2020 16: 03
        +3
        Quote: svp67
        Eastern Georgia is primordially Azerbaijani lands, and Tiflis is an ancient Azerbaijani city!

        They will soon have a fight with the Ukrainians, they will argue who built the pyramids and dug the Black Sea.)))
      2. hohol95
        hohol95 8 October 2020 16: 40
        +1
        Do you think about this hot guys will grab their daggers and start measuring the size of the visors on the caps?
    3. da Vinci
      da Vinci 8 October 2020 15: 07
      +2
      At one time, Ensign Mikhail Stsukashvilov was presented to the award by a secret order of the GRU! soldier
    4. NEXUS
      NEXUS 8 October 2020 20: 21
      0
      Quote: Operator
      Moreover, the

      I suppose that behind the Kremlin it will not rust to revise the borders, in favor of Che, then you Georgians did not grab your own when they were breaking out of the USSR. Will raise historical records, maps, etc. ... for example ...
      The village of Aibga in the Gagra region of Abkhazia with the adjacent territory (160 km2) is contested by Russia as part of the single village of Aibga, divided in Soviet times by the administrative boundary along the Psou River between the RSFSR and the Georgian SSR.

      And I think that soon Abkhazia may well, like Crimea, "unexpectedly" become a subject of the Russian Federation. And a start has been made ..
      Russia recognized the independence of Abkhazia on August 26, 2008 after the armed conflict in South Ossetia (2008)
  2. V1er
    V1er 8 October 2020 13: 43
    10
    Friendly triangle: Georgia - Azerbaijan - Turkey. What? laughing
    1. Dodikson
      Dodikson 8 October 2020 13: 53
      14
      this is a short memory, the rodent was forgotten how the Turks wanted to send them for fertilizers.
      genocide awaited them worse than the Armenians.
      1. ZEMCH
        ZEMCH 8 October 2020 19: 49
        +4
        Quote: Dodikson
        this is a short memory, the rodent was forgotten how the Turks wanted to send them for fertilizers.
        genocide awaited them worse than the Armenians.

        Moreover, they are now quietly squeezing Adjara from Georgia
    2. Insurgent
      Insurgent 8 October 2020 14: 17
      +6
      Quote: V1er
      Friendly triangle: Georgia - Azerbaijan - Turkey. What?

      I'm sorry, what what ... Ottoman Empire...
    3. avg
      avg 8 October 2020 15: 12
      +3
      Quote: V1er
      Friendly triangle: Georgia - Azerbaijan - Turkey. What?

      It is they who are going to play a "point" and the cards are marked and five aces in the deck. Putin slipped it. sad
  3. Pereira
    Pereira 8 October 2020 13: 44
    15
    No kosher cards with the seal of the Washington Regional Committee will help now. The Georgians will have to recapture the occupied territories from the Azerbaijanis. There is no other way.
    1. FenH
      FenH 8 October 2020 13: 55
      +7

      Pereira (Michael)

      No kosher cards with the seal of the Washington Regional Committee will help now. The Georgians will have to recapture the occupied territories from the Azerbaijanis. There is no other way.

      Now they will cooperate with the Armenians, push it ... and merge Adjara into the Turks))))
      1. hydrox
        hydrox 8 October 2020 19: 20
        0
        You are late: Adjara is already 80-90% Turkish, I'm not even talking about Batumi ...
        1. FenH
          FenH 9 October 2020 06: 11
          0
          Quote: hydrox
          You are late: Adjara is already 80-90% Turkish, I'm not even talking about Batumi ...

          You are in a hurry, adzharia de jure while Georgia, and so everything is correct
          1. hydrox
            hydrox 9 October 2020 10: 01
            +1
            De jure nobody cares, betrayal begins with the surrender "de facto", it is also the most difficult to eradicate.
            I thought that "Contemporary History of Russia" refreshes the brain well enough ...
            1. FenH
              FenH 9 October 2020 10: 05
              0
              Quote: hydrox
              De jure nobody cares, betrayal begins with the surrender "de facto", it is also the most difficult to eradicate.

              de facto Western Georgia and Adjara have always been in the sphere of influence of Turkey, as well as Abkhazia
    2. orionvitt
      orionvitt 8 October 2020 13: 58
      +9
      Quote: Pereira
      Georgians will have to recapture occupied territories from Azerbaijanis

      Yeah, for the glory of independence and democracy. laughing Have already lost Abkhazia and South Ossetia, what is now according to plan? Adjara? The question is solved simply. Set off Georgians with Azerbaijan and please, the Turks are squeezing out Adjara in two seconds, under the pretext of protecting the Muslim population. If the fuss has begun, then the Western puppeteers will definitely need the entire Caucasus to burn. Everything is clean, transparent and lies on the surface. You don't even need to invent anything, everything has already been invented for them.
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 8 October 2020 14: 47
        +2
        Quote: orionvitt
        If the fuss has begun, then the Western puppeteers will definitely need the entire Caucasus to burn.

        They lit the fuse, they will not have time to extinguish, it will burn for centuries.
        1. orionvitt
          orionvitt 8 October 2020 14: 56
          +6
          Quote: tihonmarine
          They lit the wick, they won't have time to extinguish, it will burn for centuries

          Especially when you consider that it has been blazing there for a long time, many centuries before us, then your thesis is correct. The only time of calm and relative peace was only when they were all in the "prison of peoples". Both under tsarist Russia and under the Soviet Union. There was development, education, science, everything was built, everyone did not grieve. The Russians left (squeezed out the Russians), everything returned to normal. Welcome to the middle ages. So who is the doctor to them, let them fight.
          1. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 8 October 2020 15: 20
            +1
            Quote: orionvitt
            The only time of calm and relative peace was only when they were all in the "prison of nations".

            "Prison" is gone, "freedom, equality, brotherhood" has come. So I wrote these last three words, and pulled myself together "man, you're crazy, it's not for them."
            1. orionvitt
              orionvitt 8 October 2020 15: 29
              +1
              Quote: tihonmarine
              "freedom equality Brotherhood
              it's not for them "

              It's not about anyone at all. Frankly speaking, it is impossible to apply to "them" not only all three of these concepts together, but even separately. And in general, when I hear these three words together (no matter from whom), I already know that this is definitely a divorce and deception for suckers. However, at one time, we all fell for this bait. However, after some time, most of us (who are not burdened with liberal values) realized that everything in the world is not so.
            2. hydrox
              hydrox 8 October 2020 19: 25
              +1
              Quote: tihonmarine
              "Prison" is gone, "freedom, equality, brotherhood" has come. So I wrote these last three words, and pulled myself together "man, you're crazy, it's not for them."

              Take your time, dear Vlad :: these three words-concepts have been reigning in the vastness of Russia for 30 years - did it make us feel good?
              1. tihonmarine
                tihonmarine 8 October 2020 22: 27
                0
                Quote: hydrox
                Take your time, dear Vlad :: these three words-concepts have been reigning in the vastness of Russia for 30 years - did it make us feel good?
                For the first time, the motto "Freedom, Equality, Brotherhood" (appears in the speech of Maximilian Robespierre "On the organization of the National Guard" delivered on December 5, 1790, and it is still used to powder the mind, and the most interesting thing is that many believe in it.
                1. hydrox
                  hydrox 9 October 2020 09: 50
                  0
                  No, I don't dig so deeply: Let it be Macaron who writes conclusions for his yellow vests, instead of teaching us from his pot ...
                  By the way, you probably noticed that in principle I do not use the bourgeois term "democracy", preferring "democracy" to it, although in fact these terms, which seem to denote the same concept, have a diametrically opposite essence. But your explanation to the slogan "SRB" for some reason convinces me that you should like "democracy" too. lol
        2. hydrox
          hydrox 9 October 2020 10: 05
          0
          What a pity that they did not give the conspirators the opportunity to slap Erdogan: in gratitude to us, he does odd things not like a child, but with the maliciousness of a scoundrel "with experience" ...
    3. RealPilot
      RealPilot 8 October 2020 14: 22
      +6
      And why be surprised?
      Maps were created ... In the USSR! soldier
      Not in independent Georgia and without taking into account their pride. Therefore, exactly "outside" wassat

      So these cards are subject to decommunization ... Sad! They run up again.
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 8 October 2020 15: 28
        +1
        Quote: RealPilot
        Maps were created ... In the USSR!

        Neither Gruziki soaked about the cards, I told them how many times, guys, when you play "poker", then do not play with marked cards, especially with Azeri, but they again bought cards at the flea market.
        1. hydrox
          hydrox 8 October 2020 19: 38
          0
          Quote: tihonmarine
          and they again bought cards at the flea market.

          But the cards are imported, Sorosyatskie: fresh, like a mammoth dermo and Island patrol boats (on which the rivet supports the rivet), bought by Ukraine from the USA for good money.
          And soon the 80-oar atomic-powered supersonic landing barges, bought by Zelenovsky for 1,5 billion from the Britons, will come to Ochakov
    4. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 8 October 2020 14: 42
      +2
      I'm not Negoro! I'm Captain Sebastian Pereira! (The main villain who planted marked and cards without aces) request
      1. Lipchanin
        Lipchanin 8 October 2020 15: 00
        +1
        Quote: Uncle Lee
        I'm not Negoro! I'm Captain Sebastian Pereira! (The main villain who planted marked and cards without aces) request

        Or maybe it's Fuchs from the yacht Trouble? request
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 8 October 2020 15: 42
          +1
          Quote: Lipchanin
          Or maybe it's Fuchs from the yacht Trouble?

          Again they did not obey, everyone drank the cards. I had to carry out the Georgian-Azerbaijani border on a pack of "Belomor"
        2. Uncle lee
          Uncle lee 8 October 2020 15: 47
          +1
          Quote: Lipchanin
          Fuchs from the yacht Trouble?

          Anything can be! First Mate Lom is good too!
    5. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin 8 October 2020 14: 58
      0
      Quote: Pereira
      The Georgians will have to recapture the occupied territories from the Azerbaijanis.

      They will win back soooo ... well, approximately like 08 in Ossetia, they won back. They conquered almost to Tbilisi
    6. mikh-korsakov
      mikh-korsakov 8 October 2020 15: 17
      +1
      But for me personally, these guys are funny followers of Saakashvili. Referring to the classics - a cross between Panikovsky and pique vests. But seriously - "Well, take it away!" But this poem is still not finished for me. And where are the conclusions of the world community about the insidious role of Putin, who sent the wrong cards? It is necessary to be more careful. Do you make the light-faced people from Europe do your work? And this is dependency.
      1. hydrox
        hydrox 8 October 2020 19: 46
        0
        And he did not send!
        They themselves stole it in the repository of written-off maps of the Novosibirsk cartographic factory, which receives chipboard materials from the military districts (they were good at wrapping shawarma!) - this is what the zhorzhiki bought
        1. SouzniK
          SouzniK 8 October 2020 19: 52
          +1
          Quote: hydrox
          And he did not send!
          They themselves stole it in the repository of written-off maps of the Novosibirsk cartographic factory, which receives chipboard materials from the military districts (they were good at wrapping shawarma!) - this is what the zhorzhiki bought

          Yes, yes! wassat There is the same problem on the outskirts .. They still have not formalized their borders so formally in the UN, so they have derbanim the territory of Crimea !!! ))))
          And other former allies also did not formalize anything legally (this is a bit expensive for their subsidized budget ... So, in fact, the USSR still exists within its borders ... hi
          What a paradox!
          1. hydrox
            hydrox 8 October 2020 20: 38
            0
            I think that as soon as the time for demarcation and delimitation comes (and it will definitely come!), Russia will need to keep a LOT of glass beads, fire water and "Kalash" ... lol
  4. Vladimir_6
    Vladimir_6 8 October 2020 13: 45
    +8
    The first attempt to adjust the borders of Georgia on 08.08.08 was not successful. They want to run into the second.
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    2. FenH
      FenH 8 October 2020 13: 57
      +2
      Quote: Vladimir_6
      The first attempt to adjust the borders of Georgia on 08.08.08 was not successful. They want to run into the second.

      now they want to give Gardabani to Azerbaijanis together with the lake
      1. Vladimir_6
        Vladimir_6 8 October 2020 14: 01
        +2
        Quote: FenH
        now they want to give Gardabani to Azerbaijanis together with the lake

        About that and speech.
    3. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 8 October 2020 14: 20
      +6
      Quote: Vladimir_6
      The first attempt to adjust the borders of Georgia on 08.08.08 was not successful. They want to run into the second.

      Reminded:
      - Well, admit it, man, - said the bear, looking into his eyes, - you don't come here at all to hunt
      ©
    4. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 8 October 2020 15: 49
      +3
      Quote: Vladimir_6
      The first attempt to adjust the borders of Georgia on 08.08.08 was not successful. They want to run into the second.

      Sil card
      but small scale was
      1. Vladimir_6
        Vladimir_6 8 October 2020 17: 04
        +2
        Quote: tihonmarine
        A very small scale map was

        You can suggest a larger scale
      2. SouzniK
        SouzniK 8 October 2020 20: 02
        +2
        Quote: tihonmarine
        Quote: Vladimir_6
        The first attempt to adjust the borders of Georgia on 08.08.08 was not successful. They want to run into the second.

        Sil card
        but small scale was

        A good card on the pack of cigarettes was Vlad !!!! It's a pity that it disappeared from sale ..))))
        Maybe they will start releasing again soon? I would smoke these with nostalgia
      3. not main
        not main 8 October 2020 22: 06
        0
        Quote: tihonmarine
        Quote: Vladimir_6
        The first attempt to adjust the borders of Georgia on 08.08.08 was not successful. They want to run into the second.

        Sil card
        but small scale was

        Once upon a time, not very long ago, there was a riddle about this card: Find a man with a sword, number 14 and a naked woman on it?
    5. SouzniK
      SouzniK 8 October 2020 19: 58
      +1
      Quote: Vladimir_6
      The first attempt to adjust the borders of Georgia on 08.08.08 was not successful. They want to run into the second.

      Well, the second will be from Russia, but already as occupiers for real!
      Georgia was the most "bold" republic in the USSR .. And what has it become?
      Is that what they were missing? Name the main avenue to them. D. Bush in Tbilisi? Fu damn ..
      This is how we live with the "brothers", we live, we chew bread, but they don't know what ..
      1. Vladimir_6
        Vladimir_6 8 October 2020 22: 29
        0
        Quote: SouzniK
        Well, the second will be from Russia, but already as occupiers for real!

        From Georgia what is needed have already been squeezed out - South Ossetia and Abkhazia. Now you need to direct the strand in the western direction. Slavic lands of the Outskirts, and the lands of the Balts bought from the Swedes by Peter the Great
        it's time to return home. Well, and something else in the south. And let the rest of Georgia remain for the Georgians. After all, they need to grow grapes somewhere, dance lezginka and sing songs.
    6. hydrox
      hydrox 8 October 2020 19: 59
      0
      Nothing like this!
      It was not an attempt, but a reconnaissance (shashlik with brandy, yes with the girls!)
      But when the time comes for delimitation and demarcation - at this time, it would be better for the Zhorzhiks to go somewhere on vacation, so as not to be thrown inadvertently ... laughing
  5. Egoza
    Egoza 8 October 2020 13: 46
    +3
    What? Doesn't work with Armenia, have you decided to re-target Georgia? In what year was the border defined there? Well...? Azerbaijan will give these kilometers to "its friend and partner"? And what are the voices of the media controlled by Saakashvili? This is democracy! Saakashvili was declared guilty in Georgia of the international wanted list, and he has the media! Time to stock up on popcorn?
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 8 October 2020 16: 08
      +1
      Quote: Egoza
      And what are the voices of the media controlled by Saakashvili?

      Probably Saakashvili wants to get these few kilometers from Azerbaijan in order to create the Great Georgian Jamakheria separately from Georgia.
      1. hydrox
        hydrox 8 October 2020 20: 04
        0
        No need to!
        Kheria alone is enough for us: it will take 3 days for cartography, and half a year it will be possible to have a good rest - what are their views on the Saperavi harvest !? laughing
      2. SouzniK
        SouzniK 8 October 2020 20: 11
        0
        Quote: tihonmarine
        Quote: Egoza
        And what are the voices of the media controlled by Saakashvili?

        Probably Saakashvili wants to get these few kilometers from Azerbaijan in order to create the Great Georgian Jamakheria separately from Georgia.

        Mishiko senses another partition in Karabakh and that Russia is very angry at this situation .. All of them have few territories .. After all, they gave everyone how much they could swallow (EBN blurted out so much drunkard)
        Do they want the 90s in Russia again?
  6. Ela myaushkina
    Ela myaushkina 8 October 2020 13: 49
    11
    The 2020s are rich in events, not only diseases, war, cataclysms, but also absurdity, delirium, paradox, and hysterical laughter of idiocy.
    1. thinker
      thinker 8 October 2020 14: 56
      +1
      Add to the bill the last line and cartography yes
      So, from now on, according to the amendment to the Criminal Code of Georgia that entered into force on July 2, citizens will be fined or imprisoned for up to two years for the manufacture, production, advertising, use of maps of Georgia, which will lack any of the listed regions or objects: Abkhazia, Adjara, South Ossetia, as well as the temple complex of David-Gareji.

      https://rusvesna.su/news/1594187584
    2. Horon
      Horon 8 October 2020 15: 25
      +1
      You haven't seen it yet in 2021! It will be even more "interesting" further!
  7. TermNachTer
    TermNachTer 8 October 2020 13: 50
    +5
    These are the wrong bees - and they make the wrong honey)))
  8. Ru_Na
    Ru_Na 8 October 2020 13: 51
    +3
    Russia threw the wrong cards on Georgia to try to destroy the friendly triangle, which includes Azerbaijan and Turkey in addition to Georgia. (...)

    Ahem, and whose maps then turn out to be correct, no, of course, you can ask Washington to draw the correct maps, but the result of their cartography will be depressing for those who ask themselves!
    1. alexmach
      alexmach 8 October 2020 13: 58
      +5
      Hmm, and whose cards are correct then

      So there are no others. The maps are topographic Soviet I suppose. And before them there were maybe some from imperial times, but clearly not of that quality and not so detailed.

      Hmm .. a couple of square kilometers and a couple of monasteries they lost, just think. Russia, as a result of the collapse of the Union, missed many times more land than all of Georgia taken together.
      1. hydrox
        hydrox 8 October 2020 20: 09
        0
        You forgot 2 fishing trips with an area of ​​85 thousand square meters. km each: them. shevardnadze and them. Medvedev.
        Medvedevskaya also contains an oil-bearing shelf ...
        1. alexmach
          alexmach 8 October 2020 22: 47
          0
          The last one is Spitsbergen or something, but what did Shevargnadze give for fishing?
          1. hydrox
            hydrox 9 October 2020 09: 59
            0
            And he bungled this gift to the Amers somewhere in the Bering Sea area
            https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Соглашение_между_СССР_и_США_о_линии_разграничения_морских_пространств
  9. Daniil Konovalenko
    Daniil Konovalenko 8 October 2020 13: 53
    +4
    The problem is what, take from the USA ...
    1. Vladimir_6
      Vladimir_6 8 October 2020 13: 58
      +6
      Quote: Daniil Konovalenko
      The problem is what, take from the USA ...

      The US is not up to them yet. No matter how you have to change your cards after the elections.
    2. Polymer
      Polymer 8 October 2020 19: 08
      +1
      Quote: Daniil Konovalenko
      The problem is what, take from the USA ...

      There is no Azerbaijan on those maps next to Georgia. There are states of Tennessee, North Carolina, South Carolina, Florida, Alabama.
      1. hydrox
        hydrox 8 October 2020 20: 19
        +1
        And I thought that by this time new maps with the strait would be printed. J.V. Stalin instead of the USA.
        Or will this strait be on the site of Istanbul and Ankara?
        Or maybe we will break through a canal to Minsk through Warsaw - all the same, the land disappears (all overwhelmed with apples, you can't see the roads - the trucks don't want to go there)? laughing
  10. askort154
    askort154 8 October 2020 13: 55
    +3
    In normal people, the coronavirus affects the lungs, and in all Russophobes, it affects the brains.
  11. Livonetc
    Livonetc 8 October 2020 13: 55
    +1
    "The state border was determined by Russian data, not by Georgian data. Thus, a territory of several tens of square kilometers was transferred to Azerbaijan."
    This is unacceptable!
    We must act!
    1. Urgently start negotiations on the immediate liberation of the primordial Georgian territories, with the mediation of the USA and Great Britain.
    2. Immediately impose sanctions against the insidious Russia.
    3. To provide Georgia with gratuitous subsidies from the World Bank for the restoration of historical justice and democratic values.

    PS Forgive us Georgians. crying
    1. hydrox
      hydrox 8 October 2020 20: 22
      0
      Do not forget to send them a wagon of slingshots with nuts for 32: they will already smash the glasses for Azerbaijani tanks from around the corner! laughing
  12. The Siberian barber
    The Siberian barber 8 October 2020 13: 59
    +1
    According to their logic, if the inscription "on the fence" of three letters crept into the cards, then ...
    It's sad that I didn't sneak in .. lol )))
  13. g1washntwn
    g1washntwn 8 October 2020 14: 01
    +3
    - Wrong boundaries! ...
    - Okay. We will check everything and carefully review, but first - denunciation of the secession from the USSR.
  14. bycharashkO
    bycharashkO 8 October 2020 14: 05
    +1
    insanity grows stronger ... on our borders
  15. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
    Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 8 October 2020 14: 06
    12
    Approx.
    I found.
    This map is:
    1. Insurgent
      Insurgent 8 October 2020 14: 16
      +3
      Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
      Approx.
      I found.
      This map is:


      They scored. Then, "treason" began to make claims ...
  16. U-58
    U-58 8 October 2020 14: 13
    0
    These are the wrong bees ..
    1. fn34440
      fn34440 8 October 2020 14: 25
      -5
      "This land is our pankturkist sultanate. Neither Azirbajan nor Georgia has the right to this winter.
      Quito does not like this, wait, Glory to Allah, our units of the elite Turkish special forces "Commandos Brigade". Here is the FSEO. "(President of an unidentified country).
      1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
        Boris ⁣ Shaver 8 October 2020 14: 42
        +1
        Quote: fn34440
        wait, Glory to Allah, our units of the elite Turkish special forces

        The devils in hell took your statement into account, they are heating up the elite boilers and are really waiting.
        Places are allocated next to the 20 thousand valiant warriors of Yusuf Pasha, who fertilized, in due time, the fields between Rymna and Rymnik.
  17. Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 8 October 2020 14: 15
    +1
    Lord, why don't you love them so much ?!
  18. faiver
    faiver 8 October 2020 14: 19
    +4
    Almost thirty years have passed since Georgia gained independence, and they only now realized that something was wrong? Estonians smoke on the sidelines compared to Georgians lol
    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 8 October 2020 14: 20
      +1
      just saka decided to go to the monster, and now he is at the aisers
      1. faiver
        faiver 8 October 2020 14: 22
        +2
        oops, well let Islam accept lol
        1. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 8 October 2020 15: 02
          0
          Have we got a little Saakashvili here?
          1. faiver
            faiver 8 October 2020 15: 06
            +1
            dust it, dust
  19. Ros 56
    Ros 56 8 October 2020 14: 22
    0
    Well, of course, there is a reason to laugh and twirl a finger at the temple.
  20. Alien From
    Alien From 8 October 2020 14: 27
    +1
    Let them remember about the wrong honey! (Further, Lavrov's phrase !!!)
  21. Boris ⁣ Shaver
    Boris ⁣ Shaver 8 October 2020 14: 30
    0
    Thus, a territory of several tens of square kilometers, along with three ancient Georgian monasteries, went to Azerbaijan.

    For such a huge mistake, they had to make the border using a globe.
  22. georggy
    georggy 8 October 2020 14: 34
    +1
    The dream of an old horse.
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  24. iouris
    iouris 8 October 2020 14: 40
    +1
    We are responding to your request.
    Borders are being set in your region now. Your request has been redirected to the administration of the Sultan of All Asia Minor and the Middle East, etc., and so on, and so on.
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  26. svp67
    svp67 8 October 2020 14: 42
    +2
    The party of former Georgian President Mikheil Saakashvili has already stated that these topographic maps were allegedly planted in the Georgian-Azerbaijani commission with the help of a "secret officer of Russian intelligence".
    Yes, what is there ... they would say directly that "Putin personally changed the cards ..."
    1. faiver
      faiver 8 October 2020 14: 47
      +2
      Of course, he personally hounded Navalny, he generally likes to do everything "personally" ... lol
  27. From Tomsk
    From Tomsk 8 October 2020 14: 43
    +3
    Then this party will find out that Saakashvili was also planted on them))
  28. Dmitriy66
    Dmitriy66 8 October 2020 14: 47
    +2
    Here it is, It has begun.
    The virus from country 404 reached rodents by the wind. There is no vaccine. Byada ...
  29. evgen1221
    evgen1221 8 October 2020 14: 48
    +2
    Rather, Georgia's attempt on soft paws to probe the question of the possibility of under the sly and chop off something for himself.
    1. FenH
      FenH 8 October 2020 15: 25
      0
      Quote: evgen1221
      Rather, Georgia's attempt on soft paws to probe the question of the possibility on the quiet and chop off something for yourself.

      In the sense of chopping off the foreskin for yourself and merging with the Turks and Azerbaijanis? In principle, it is real, western Georgia and Adjara are already chopped off, now they will begin to chop off in the eastern laughing
  30. set of sets
    set of sets 8 October 2020 14: 55
    0
    ,, It turns out these are the wrong bees. Completely wrong. And they're probably doing the wrong honey.
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  32. Hiller
    Hiller 8 October 2020 15: 14
    0
    "..and then on the ruins of the chapel .. Excuse me, did I ruin the chapel too? No. It was before you in the 14th century" "Prisoner of the Caucasus." Blame everything on gray - he doesn't care!
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  34. cniza
    cniza 8 October 2020 15: 22
    +2
    Russia threw the wrong cards to Georgia to try to destroy the friendly triangle


    Uh-huh, threatening with a hot iron made them use them when defining boundaries ... lol
  35. Curt
    Curt 8 October 2020 15: 32
    0
    topographical cretinism....
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  37. yehat2
    yehat2 8 October 2020 15: 47
    0
    Quote: Fitter65
    So after all, under the compass an ax is trivial, but under the barometer ...

    tougher if under the altimeter)))
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  39. mark2
    mark2 8 October 2020 16: 15
    +4
    Politics is not just a kind word, but a very quick thing. While the enemy is drawing maps of the offensive, we change the landscapes, moreover, manually. The enemy is lost in unfamiliar terrain and comes to full non-readiness.
  40. NF68
    NF68 8 October 2020 16: 25
    +1
    And here Russia is to blame for something.
  41. SouzniK
    SouzniK 8 October 2020 16: 28
    0
    Again, these "cunning insidious Russians" do not allow "proud Georgia" to develop democratically ..))))
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  43. Bershet
    Bershet 8 October 2020 16: 52
    +5
    the map was made with. Domnino, Kostroma region. There, for such figures as Georgians, Poles and other garbage, they always make the wrong cards. Producer I.P. Susanin I.
  44. APASUS
    APASUS 8 October 2020 16: 56
    +3
    Russia threw the wrong cards on Georgia to try to destroy the friendly triangle, which includes Azerbaijan and Turkey in addition to Georgia. (...) it can only be beneficial to Russia - against the background of the flaring up the Armenian-Azerbaijani armed conflict

    This is how military conflicts are born! Their cards are not the same .............., the Georgians are not the same, the river flows in the wrong place laughing laughing laughing
  45. saygon66
    saygon66 8 October 2020 17: 53
    +1
    - Well! One more contenders for "Power from sea to sea"! smile
    - Has anyone called the Turkish ambulance yet?
  46. Dimon Dimonov_2
    Dimon Dimonov_2 8 October 2020 21: 37
    +1
    After 2008, Georgia could have ended up in general ... or become a federal district of the Russian Federation ... they would have sat quietly and quietly ...
    1. here
      here 10 October 2020 11: 32
      0
      did not. everybody just wanted to see how bitch kashvili will eat a tie
  47. S_Baykala
    S_Baykala 9 October 2020 09: 27
    +1
    If there are no national cards of our own, then there was no state as such. To whom can there be claims? Only to myself.
    They stupidly declared to the whole world that their state simply did not exist before the USSR.

    ps the state: the political form of organizing society on certain territory, a political-territorial sovereign organization of public authority with an apparatus of government and coercion, to which the entire population of the country is subject
  48. garik77
    garik77 9 October 2020 18: 33
    0
    In any case, they remembered in time.
    Srach of Georgians and Azerbaijanis will be right on time now.
  49. nnz226
    nnz226 9 October 2020 19: 10
    0
    Russia threw in the wrong cards, and the Gabunistan bees are making the wrong honey!
  50. Sergey Egorov_2
    Sergey Egorov_2 9 October 2020 19: 54
    0
    What an abomination began to happen in the world after the destruction of the USSR. God forbid the States will collapse in the same way - then there will be a final Armageddon for a long time. if not forever.