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The second wave of COVID-19, or What are pensioners and schoolchildren to blame for

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Covidiot's polemic notes



Just don't panic, and let those who wear muzzles not only in public places and in transport call us covidiots. Stubborn as mules, opponents of the coronabesy will respond in kind. And for Dostoevsky, by the way, an idiot is almost a compliment.

The second countdown begins on October 9th. School holidays are being extended in Moscow, and social cards with the right to free travel are turned off for citizens over 65, even those who work. At the same time, the request of the mayor comes into force, which, in fact, turned into an order, which is not discussed, about the transfer of 30% of workers to a remote location.

The electronic passes are about to return, which may be good - there will be no traffic jams again. Exactly six months ago, my colleague wrote:

... the waves of negativity are not just growing, but deliberately interspersed with short breaks, so that each next blow is felt as painful and strong as possible.

(“Antivirus is not an anti-killer for you. Quarantine reading ".)

The situation repeats itself these days. The last days of September - an increase from 10-12 deaths to 32, then a short three-day rollback to 29 and even 27 deaths, and then the next "terrible" blow - 41 deaths directly related to COVID-19.

I have no doubt that it will get worse further, and much worse, especially since the jump in the number of cases is much more impressive. From 970 and 1040 cases in September to 4082 on Tuesday 6 October. Already almost at the April level with a record of 6703 cases, although it is still very far from the May jump to 8033 infected per day.

At the same time, the data for October 7, quite unexpectedly, turned out to be at once by 853 cases less than the day before: a total of 3229 infected. However, why is it necessarily unexpected? I do not exclude that this is exactly the same case with a temporary rollback, after which the growth figures should frighten even more.

To such statistics, a comment is simply needed. After all, again, for a start, there is negative information on the network resources, about the sick and the dead, and only then - according to the number of recoveries. Only some TV channels are still trying to observe the polity, giving statistics practically together - with overlapping in the frame.

And one more thing: for some reason, all medical officials stopped reminding that the number of people who recovered in Russia remains surprisingly stable. And this after almost four months it grew at a faster rate than the number of cases was replenished.

Don't you think that there are just too few of those who need to recover? But there will be more, no doubt about that.

Escape from the "dead zone"


A character from a bearded anecdote in such a situation would definitely ask: do you have another globe? Escape from infected Moscow almost became the norm, but when it all began, it was summer ahead. And there were dachas, and the children could be taken out there until everything subsided. Although not everyone had such an opportunity.

The second wave of COVID-19, or What are pensioners and schoolchildren to blame for

Now it is about to get very cold, next week they even promise snow in the capital. These lines somewhere in social networks were also written six months ago. And on the second wave of COVID-19, in which you can still believe or not believe, they are no less relevant:

Nobody canceled responsible behavior. My family and I are in the danger zone. So everything is in quarantine. We pass tests and wait. I take the older children to the dacha away from their own stupidity. Meetings with elderly relatives are canceled. Trips are canceled. We work on remote access, thank God, our kind of activity allows it.

But ... what does the closure of Moscow have to do with it? What does the stop of all economic activity have to do with it? No panic and nonsense. Today, escape from the "dead zone" for the overwhelming majority is a pipe dream.

Quarantine is not real again


So, the second wave has come, although the public clearly does not want to panic. The authorities are afraid to introduce quarantine in the image and likeness of the spring. But the people must somehow be brought under control for their own benefit. Therefore, punitive measures may be even more abrupt than during the first wave.

Shops and markets have already begun to close. They began to fine, and even for the fact that someone put on the mask incorrectly - he put out his nose. This is called: suffocate, so all together.

At the same time, no one cares that, while developing a vaccine, no one is even going to describe the very mechanism of action of COVID-19, more precisely, SARS-CoV2, an enveloped retrovirus from the coronavirus family. Well, there is nothing so special, new in it, virologists from among the unaffiliated authorities or the WHO are already tired of repeating this.

They knew about these "crowns" since the middle of the last century, and they managed to cope with many of them without any fuss at all. But the notorious pathogenesis of the development of bilateral symmetric pneumonitis is clearly described by no one either does not want to, or does not allow it. At least in open sources.

Special medical publications do not count: everything is probably written there, and Academician Chuchalin reported something important to the president, apparently, with knowledge of the matter. Otherwise, why then did the parade take place, but the Immortal Regiment did not? Why were everyone released to Turkey, and elsewhere - only a select few?

They know something, but they don't tell us? Very much like that. And for some reason no one replicates the information that most complications happen when people are hospitalized?

And isn't that where the knowledge of Mrs. Popova, the head of Rospotrebnadzor, who managed to dress her subordinates in a crimson (hello 90th) uniform during the coronavirus crisis, that 70 percent of patients are infected in medical institutions? Knowledge, apparently, is secret, but somehow it suddenly became obvious.

Count always, count everywhere


The author of these lines, frankly speaking, was incredibly lucky. He even managed to retire with a minimum delay in age - only six months, and now is not subject to quarantine repression. Because until the age of 65, when, with the light hand of the capital's mayor, the social card is turned off, you still have to live.

And it would be better to live by working. And let the city authorities write down their social “six five hundred” rubles in their incomes. I will try not to impoverish, in Moscow the money has not yet been transferred from the people.

The other day I walked around the center of the capital on a Friday evening, and was even glad: thanks to the warm weather, all the establishments, more precisely, the summer verandas, are simply overcrowded. As before the war, the war with the coronacrisis.

But then a sneaky little thought crept up: why, these are breeding grounds for infection! However, excuse the repetition, Mrs. Popova from Rospotrebnadzor claims for a reason that almost three quarters of infections occur not somewhere, but in medical institutions.


Special thanks to the great official for such recognition, otherwise we have sinned at weddings with birthdays and funerals, at corporate parties, at various clubs, concerts and sports events where people happen, as they say, oh-oh-oh. But it turns out where the dog is buried.

In fact, we have long been at odds with all numbers. For example, they have finally hung up all over Moscow, in the metro, at the MCC, at cultural and sports facilities and in numerous institutions, pretty sanitizers or, as they are also called, dispensers of different models. The public devices have already managed to get dirty, but this is not so important.

The slogan next to almost every dispenser seemed to me more important, charged, apparently, with a simple solution: flavored and alcoholic, which you can't drink. And thanks for that, but ... from the poster we are assured that it kills 99,9% of all infection, not only COVID-19.


I am not Stanislavsky and I will immediately say: "I believe!" Both world and Russian statistics only strengthens my faith. There are a little more than a million people who have died from the damned covid around the world, and this is only 0,01 with a small percentage of the world's population, but the sick are just the very 0,1 percent, for which we must thank, it seems, just sanitizers.

It turns out that if we provide the whole world with dispensers, we will have exactly the result that we have now. So maybe everyone can calm down? And you shouldn't spend money on the development of expensive vaccines, on the construction of timeless temporary hospitals, on masks with gloves. They seem to be of much less use.

But in most stores, for some reason, there were no sanitizers or dispensers. Even in large shopping centers it is not easy to find them, if there is at least one at the entrance, then it is already good. And there, after all, contacts are above the roof, and all are dangerous. It's not just that old women in muzzles just do what they hiss at violators: put on a mask, don't take off your gloves!
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  1. 7,62h54
    7,62h54 9 October 2020 15: 07 New
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    All the hype around covid is needed to enrich a group of people who receive super profits from the sale of antiseptics, masks, and more recently, drugs and vaccines.
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 9 October 2020 15: 11 New
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      Quote: 7,62x54
      All the hype around covid is needed to enrich a group of people who receive super profits from the sale of antiseptics, masks, and more recently, drugs and vaccines.

      Here you need to look deeper .. Although the fact that, despite the contraction of world economies, billionaires are only multiplying and getting richer, makes us think .. how strange this is all, and the death rate from covid is slightly higher than the flu ..
      People are being ruined for some reason and driven into poverty ..
      1. 7,62h54
        7,62h54 9 October 2020 15: 15 New
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        And they are working out the system of total surveillance. Sobyanin's bloopers about control over 30% of remote workers are worth something. First, the data of one third of the employees will be collected and updated. Then they will get to the rest. A ghetto on a metropolitan scale.
        1. Esaul
          Esaul 9 October 2020 15: 37 New
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          This is for sure, if Sobyanin had taken care of the health of Muscovites, he would not have allowed an artificial mass gathering of people in the metro. Sobyanin is a talking head, he only follows instructions from above.
          1. mark2
            mark2 9 October 2020 16: 29 New
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            How would he do it? Would you transfer to bicycles with scooters?
            1. Wilderness
              Wilderness 9 October 2020 17: 11 New
              +4
              You can, for example, shift the opening hours of institutions, parts of enterprises, schools. Eliminate the crush on public transport during peak hours.
        2. Machito
          Machito 9 October 2020 15: 40 New
          +1
          Quote: 7,62x54
          And they are working out the system of total surveillance. Sobyanin's bloopers about control over 30% of remote workers are worth something. First, the data of one third of the employees will be collected and updated. Then they will get to the rest. A ghetto on a metropolitan scale.

          Digital slavery in action. Total control. But Old Man fell behind with technology and got a Maidan.
        3. nnm
          nnm 11 October 2020 08: 12 New
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          In fairness - why would they do this? What, some of your personal data are not yet in the possession of the authorities in various databases? Everything is already known about us - and the phone number, which means the routes, and bank cards, and car numbers, and what stores we buy, and where we work, and on cameras we light up a hundred times a day, and what we are sick with, and on what sites at work, at home, from the phone we climb ...
          Well, absolutely nothing new power will learn
      2. paul3390
        paul3390 9 October 2020 15: 44 New
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        Here's an immediate question - why did they manage to crush covidlo in China? Does the Communist Party really have any special antiviral properties? Or because the government there thinks first of all about the people, and only then about the bubble?
        1. mark2
          mark2 9 October 2020 16: 33 New
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          Here's an immediate question - why did they manage to crush covidlo in China?

          And who told you that they did it? The lack of real information about successes or failures does not mean that China has coped. Although they could. There the party said "must" - the citizen answered "Yes".
          1. paul3390
            paul3390 9 October 2020 17: 57 New
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            The converse is also true. What did not cope - only your speculation. And then - I strongly doubt that in our age of communications, hundreds of thousands of patients can be hidden ..
            1. aglet
              aglet 10 October 2020 14: 18 New
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              "And then - I strongly doubt that in our age of communications it is possible to hide hundreds of thousands of patients .."
              the question is, were they, these very hundreds of thousands?
        2. Interlocutor
          Interlocutor 9 October 2020 17: 11 New
          +4
          Here's an immediate question - why did they manage to crush covidlo in China? Does the Communist Party really have any special antiviral properties? Or because the government there thinks first of all about the people, and only then about the bubble?

          In June, in one of the northern regions of China (I will not tell you the city anymore), covid was identified in 12 people. Nafig a quarter of the city was closed with barriers and barriers and turned on programs in the phones for 2 weeks. Are you suggesting that too? And it seems there was only suspicion ...
          1. paul3390
            paul3390 9 October 2020 17: 56 New
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            Yes. This is better than treating a million and the rest shaking like a sheep's tail - just not to pick it up.
            1. Interlocutor
              Interlocutor 9 October 2020 18: 05 New
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              Yes. This is better than treating a million and the rest shaking like a sheep's tail - just not to pick it up.

              Our discipline is worse than that of the Chinese.
        3. _Sergei_
          _Sergei_ 9 October 2020 18: 08 New
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          Because there, only without a mask, I immediately went out into the asphalt, a bag over my head and into the area. Or they forgot how they dug in cities so that no one left, did not stop by.
          1. mmaxx
            mmaxx 10 October 2020 07: 34 New
            +3
            The Chinese still build cities according to medieval principles. To close a city is only to give an order.
        4. krops777
          krops777 10 October 2020 12: 14 New
          +3
          Here's an immediate question - why did they manage to crush covidlo in China? Does the Communist Party really have any special antiviral properties? Or because the government there thinks first of all about the people, and only then about the bubble?



          Of course, she thinks that the party said to stay at home and everyone was sitting, they said to wear masks and gloves and everyone is wearing it and try to disobey, but in our country, say that don't say how you did not comply and do not comply and immediately raise a howl if they suddenly start to fine.
          1. paul3390
            paul3390 10 October 2020 12: 16 New
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            No, I think - because there is confidence in the party. And if she said it is necessary, then it really is necessary .. There are good reasons for such a decision. Unlike our authorities, who carry all sorts of bullshit with or without reason ..
      3. aglet
        aglet 10 October 2020 14: 16 New
        +1
        "People are being ruined for some purpose and driven into poverty .."
        everything that is done is profitable for someone. who benefits from the virus?
    2. Nasrat
      Nasrat 9 October 2020 15: 13 New
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      Quote: 7,62x54
      All the hype around covid is needed to enrich a group of people who receive super profits from the sale of antiseptics, masks, and more recently, drugs and vaccines.

      Conspiracy theory ... and when you stand in line with the patient in the emergency room for 5 hours (and 5 hours is far from the limit today, 5 hours at the beginning of last week I defended !!! ...) you especially understand - the conspiracy was a success .. ...
      1. 7,62h54
        7,62h54 9 October 2020 15: 17 New
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        Especially when the patient is in a pre-stroke state, and he is not accepted, since everyone is preparing to fight the corona. This is familiar.
        1. Nasrat
          Nasrat 9 October 2020 15: 22 New
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          Quote: 7,62x54
          Especially when the patient is in a pre-stroke state, and he is not accepted, since everyone is preparing to fight the corona. This is familiar.

          I don’t know about the pre-stroke patient, but I took my pre-infarction father - I was accepted immediately and performed stenting, sent to the dispensary ... in the dispensary they said, if you bring me from the hospital immediately to us, then no problem, if from home, then through a certificate of covid. ..
          so the experience is own
          1. aglet
            aglet 10 October 2020 14: 22 New
            +1
            “I don’t know about the pre-stroke patient, but I took the pre-heart attack father”
            where do you live? we don't even have an ambulance to see patients over 65 with a temperature
        2. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 9 October 2020 15: 24 New
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          Quote: 7,62x54
          Especially when the patient is in a pre-stroke state, and he is not accepted

          are there any specific examples?
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 9 October 2020 15: 56 New
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            Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
            are there any specific examples?

            They are hospitalized very reluctantly. If earlier, when choosing to put in the hospital, or not, they usually preferred "better put it just in case", now no.

            It is generally difficult with cores. A lot of them. And without any covid, the departments are often overcrowded, patients lie in the corridors.
            Lots of factors. From the general state of health of the nation to the failed "reform" that greatly reduced the number of specialists.
            1. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 9 October 2020 16: 31 New
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              a concrete example of a failure in a pre-stroke state!
      2. Svarog
        Svarog 9 October 2020 15: 18 New
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        Quote: Nasr
        especially you understand - the conspiracy was a success ...

        In this case, it is clear that optimization "succeeded" .. but the question about the conspiracy is relevant ..
      3. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 9 October 2020 15: 37 New
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        Quote: Nasr
        Conspiracy theory ... and when you stand in line with the patient in the emergency room for 5 hours (and 5 hours is far from the limit today, 5 hours at the beginning of last week I defended !!! ...) you especially understand - the conspiracy was a success .. ...

        And who makes you defend? Get sick at home.
        1. Nasrat
          Nasrat 9 October 2020 15: 49 New
          +3
          The patient's condition compels him to defend .... God forbid that you remain in the dark about what it feels like .. I sincerely wish, without posturing .. ...
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 9 October 2020 15: 53 New
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            Quote: Nasr
            God grant that you would remain in the dark what it feels like .. I sincerely wish, without posturing .. ...

            And I've been coughing up my lungs for almost two weeks now. So don't be scared.
            1. Horon
              Horon 9 October 2020 16: 49 New
              +7
              If they coughed up, they would not write comments on VO. Don't exaggerate. About 10 years ago I myself was sick with only bronchitis, coughing darkened in my eyes and my chest ached, the temperature reached 3 for 39 days. I was just lying around with a log and did not even want to get up to eat. I don't think that when you "cough up your lungs" you will feel so good to surf the Internet.
              1. Mordvin 3
                Mordvin 3 9 October 2020 16: 58 New
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                Quote: Horon
                About 10 years ago I myself was sick with only bronchitis, coughing darkened in my eyes and my chest ached, the temperature reached 3 for 39 days. I was just lying around with a log and did not even want to get up to eat. I don't think that when you "cough up your lungs" you will feel so good to surf the Internet.

                Why should I cry? Coughing up blood yesterday. And about the reservation. I have had chronic bronchitis for over 30 years, so you won't scare me either.
                1. Horon
                  Horon 9 October 2020 18: 29 New
                  +2
                  It's all about "coughing up blood" and "coughing up the lungs." In the first case, the vessels in the throat can burst from coughing (I had such a nuisance with angina), in the second case, the disease is accompanied by a high temperature (under 40) and serious problems with oxygen, usually under the supervision of doctors, in severe cases under mechanical ventilation.
                  1. Mordvin 3
                    Mordvin 3 9 October 2020 18: 41 New
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                    Quote: Horon
                    in the second case, the disease is accompanied by a high temperature (under 40) and serious problems with oxygen,

                    I knocked down the temperature, I can breathe, as for the doctors, I have a sister - a nurse. So I would rather lie down at home with the Internet than in a hospital, where repairs have not been done since the times of the USSR (I sometimes visited my friends and relatives, I don't see the difference, even Soviet TVs with refrigerators are still in common recreation areas, or whatever they call them. And from their feeding it is easy to become dystrophic, one friend lost weight there by 8 kilos, probably). Yes, I will die there from melancholy sooner than at home from illness.
                    1. Horon
                      Horon 9 October 2020 23: 03 New
                      +5
                      The other day, my wife went to the hospital. When asked what to bring to eat, she said that they were being fed "as if for slaughter." I didn't eat everything. I don't know about repairs and refrigerators, I didn't ask. All this seems to depend on the local authorities. Now the trend is covid, with other diseases of complexity because of this. For me, I don't see any problems at all. there is a suspicion that the whole family had been ill with it in the winter, plus an elderly mother, before the official announcement of the pandemic. All symptoms were present, he was treated with his own means, because only the oldest mother and the youngest son were seriously hooked, he has lung problems from birth. Were treated with family methods, plus medicines for symptoms. I treated the room with ultraviolet light and hit the fruit more. They were treated for a month and a half, and when they started to crawl out of the house a little to get some fresh air after 3 weeks they drove everyone into "self-isolation". As a result, immunity is not in the best shape now. I also try not to go to doctors, unless I feel like it or need a consultation. During the "self-isolation" the mother lost consciousness, her heart caught, but the ambulance refused to go, motivating it with covid. Himself was ill only with a cough, such as bronchitis, week 3. There was no temperature, and without it, at that time, even a sick leave would not be given. I sympathize with the illness! The main thing is not to panic and not think that the covid is so terrible, difficult, yes, but there are diseases that are worse.
                      1. Whowhy
                        Whowhy 10 October 2020 08: 51 New
                        +1
                        Similarly.
              2. aglet
                aglet 10 October 2020 14: 24 New
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                "If they coughed up, they would not have written comments on VO. Do not exaggerate. About 10 years ago I myself had only bronchitis, my eyes were getting dark from coughing and my chest ached."
                in general, bronchitis is not a very terrible disease, like the flu. do not die from bronchitis
                1. Horon
                  Horon 12 October 2020 08: 50 New
                  0
                  But even with a high temperature, they don't sit on the forums, the state is not something that would be adequate to think. Bronchitis, if started, easily turns into pneumonia, but from this, if medical care is provided on time and correctly, it also rarely dies.
                  1. aglet
                    aglet 12 October 2020 09: 10 New
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                    "But even with a high temperature, they do not sit on the forums, the condition is not something to think adequately. Bronchitis, if started, easily turns into pneumonia, but from this, if medical care is provided on time and correctly, it also rarely dies."
                    but who can argue with that? but what does the virus have to do with it? such a fatal disease? and, by the way, this virus does not always end with pneumonia, and, in general, the severity of this disease is greatly exaggerated by doctors and the media. Look at Trump - three days, and again a cucumber!
                2. Horon
                  Horon 12 October 2020 08: 54 New
                  0
                  The flu is dangerous complications and sometimes die from it.
          2. serezhasoldatow
            serezhasoldatow 9 October 2020 16: 17 New
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            Is it difficult to call a doctor at home?
            1. New Year day
              New Year day 9 October 2020 16: 50 New
              +3
              Quote: serezhasoldatow
              Is it difficult to call a doctor at home?

              How many individuals are employed in full-time positions?
              With a staffing of 30 and even 50%, how long will you wait for a doctor?
              1. serezhasoldatow
                serezhasoldatow 18 October 2020 22: 27 New
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                Have you tried it? Or again (again) OBS?
                1. New Year day
                  New Year day 19 October 2020 13: 06 New
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                  Quote: serezhasoldatow
                  Have you tried it? Or again (again) OBS?

                  I've been in this system for 40 years. So you will try laughing
                  1. serezhasoldatow
                    serezhasoldatow 22 October 2020 09: 09 New
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                    I don't need to try, I regularly call my mother. The doctors on duty come even at 21.00-22.00.
                    1. New Year day
                      New Year day 22 October 2020 15: 33 New
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                      Quote: serezhasoldatow
                      I don't need to try, I regularly call my mother. The doctors on duty come even at 21.00-22.00.

                      And very heavy ones are brought to me in batches. You see from the outside, I am from the inside
                      1. serezhasoldatow
                        serezhasoldatow 7 November 2020 14: 33 New
                        0
                        The conversation was about calling a doctor at home.
          3. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 9 October 2020 16: 33 New
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            Quote: Nasr
            The patient's condition compels one to defend ...

            why are you sick why didn’t call the doctor at home?
        2. Van 16
          Van 16 9 October 2020 15: 50 New
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          "Cheer yourself at home"
          Unfortunately, it doesn't always work out.
          Just for example: at the beginning of June, my father felt bad, the ambulance diagnosed him with acute heart failure, urgent hospitalization. We arrived in an ambulance at the hospital at half past nine in the evening, formalized it, put it on a gurney and ... that's all. Then within 4 hours no one even approached him. The answer to all questions is: we have one surgeon and one therapist at our appointment, please wait. As a result, the journey from the emergency room to the ward took five and a half hours ..
          1. Svarog
            Svarog 9 October 2020 15: 54 New
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            Quote: Van 16
            As a result, the journey from the emergency room to the ward took five and a half hours ..

            Optimizing crap .. and no one answered for this mess ..
            1. Van 16
              Van 16 9 October 2020 15: 59 New
              +6
              No words, some expressions ..
          2. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 9 October 2020 16: 34 New
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            Quote: Van 16
            Just for example: ...
            this happens without covid
            1. Van 16
              Van 16 9 October 2020 17: 22 New
              +6
              Covid made it all worse. And he clearly showed what all these reforms and optimizations are worth.
    3. depressant
      depressant 9 October 2020 15: 33 New
      +8
      I do not know how where, but in my distant suburbs half of the people are already wearing masks - different. Some are cheap, pharmacy, like mine, others are more expensive, even in a box, black, others are clearly ordered on the Internet, complex, there are respirators, there are sewn on their own. I assure you that a medical mask does not protect against anything. A new one, fresh from the pharmacy, allows all odors to pass through, which means a microscopic virus - even more so.
      1. rotkiv04
        rotkiv04 9 October 2020 15: 45 New
        +8
        As Dr. Myasnikov said, wearing masks is not to the doctors, it is to the authorities. And from myself I will add insanity grows stronger
        1. Lannan Shi
          Lannan Shi 9 October 2020 16: 36 New
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          Quote: rotkiv04
          As Dr. Myasnikov said, wearing masks is not to the doctors, it is to the authorities. And from myself I will add insanity grows stronger

          And where did you see insanity? The price of the mask, a year ago, was around 1.5 rubles. Accordingly, the cost is about 50 kopecks. The price today .... it's not 300% of the profit, and not even 3000, but about 6000%. The drug dealers cry with envy, however. Arrived higher and no felony. On the contrary. Blaaaadeteli, actually saviors. No insanity. Sober calculation, tough, extremely tough lobbying and business. Sooooo profitable. At least one mask a day, at least for every fourth or fifth ... And now a billion came from thin air. yes If there was no covid, it would definitely have been invented over time. yes
      2. lis-ik
        lis-ik 9 October 2020 15: 51 New
        +5
        The main thing is that she does not miss the smell of money on which they warm their hands.
      3. aglet
        aglet 10 October 2020 14: 29 New
        +1
        "I assure you, a medical mask does not protect from anything. A new one, fresh from the pharmacy, lets all odors through, so a microscopic virus - even more so.
        did you just understand it now?
        1. depressant
          depressant 11 October 2020 12: 21 New
          +1
          You see, colleague ... I'm a smoking specimen))) Because I have an eternal smoker's cough and have long lost my scent. And then the scent suddenly returned: a strongly perfumed lady passed by, and I was indignant: how can you spray like this during the day? You are among people! And only then the essence of the discovery struck - the mask lets through!
          1. aglet
            aglet 12 October 2020 08: 04 New
            +1
            "And only then the essence of the discovery struck - the mask lets through!"
            A small example from arithmetic - the average pore size in a mask refers to the average size of the virus, as the size of a football goal to the size of a ball. a few months ago I wrote about this
    4. your1970
      your1970 10 October 2020 07: 36 New
      +6
      "There are a little more than a million people who have died from the damned covid around the world, and this is only 0,01 with a small percent of the world's population, but the sick are just those 0,1 percent, for which we should be grateful, it seems, are just sanitizers." wonderful the author's logic .........
      In China, 8 million officials are shot for corruption on average 6800 a year ... that's less than 0,1% of the total mass of officials
      According to the logic of the author - it turns out that firing squads (sanitizers like) are to blame for corruption in China ... lol

      I was ill with covid and I know that it is scary - when at 37,2 a man faints ..

      And yet, a relative, a doctor, said that in our region the number of gastrointestinal infections was about 4 times less than usual. It's just that people began to wash their hands more often ...
      1. aglet
        aglet 10 October 2020 14: 31 New
        +1
        "I was ill with covid and I know it's scary, when at 37,2 a man faints .."
        Besides fainting, what else was there?
        1. your1970
          your1970 10 October 2020 18: 03 New
          +2
          There was a wild weakness, 4 months have passed - and it is, shortness of breath is strong ...
          My wife was lying with pneumonia - I still tie the laces on her shoes - if she bends down, she suffocates immediately ...
    5. The Siberian barber
      The Siberian barber 10 October 2020 15: 58 New
      +1
      Quote: 7,62x54
      All the hype around covid is needed to enrich a group of people who receive super profits from the sale of antiseptics, masks, and more recently, drugs and vaccines.

      here, I personally know the entrepreneur who set up a factory in the suburbs, producing masks, who "beat off" money in a week))
      ..in the first wave, really ..
      But this is a business .. Here, deeper, if you like ..
      Alas, the world is changing incomprehensibly, not for the better
  2. Woodman
    Woodman 9 October 2020 15: 22 New
    +1
    There in a photo from a food sign with hieroglyphs ... Why would that be?
    For some reason, all medical officials stopped reminding that the number of recovered in Russia remains surprisingly stable
    In our region, the number of infected is consistently higher than the number of recovered.
    Don't you think that there are just too few of those who need to recover?

    Or it is an indicator of the complexity of treatment and the severity of the disease.
  3. Esaul
    Esaul 9 October 2020 15: 33 New
    +9
    This covid is more like a stock index, as someone sits in their office, every day comes up with new numbers and writes horror stories. And after the IPO, gullible people who buy into it will be left with nothing.
    1. aglet
      aglet 10 October 2020 14: 32 New
      0
      well said!
  4. rotkiv04
    rotkiv04 9 October 2020 15: 37 New
    +9
    if you follow the logic of the authorities, then judging by the events in brotherly Belarus, there should already be an apocalypse, but the living and continue to live and work
    1. Alexy
      Alexy 11 October 2020 12: 00 New
      0
      Moreover, they manage to go to rallies
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    1. depressant
      depressant 9 October 2020 16: 12 New
      +3
      You know, there is such - luck. And in my village, either three, or four died from covid, but had been ill a lot, even in the spring, because very few people are counting on luck. All those who had recovered were then diagnosed with acute respiratory viral infections, no one checked them for a test. The deaths from covid became known only over time. But it became - the village is small. Therefore, people do not care if there is covid or not, they wear masks. I guess soon everyone will be in them, even the skeptics.
      Today, the national record is 12 126 cases. So this is only one of those who did the test. And how many of those who have not been tested, and people who come to the hospital with a temperature of 38, simply say: "Here's a sick leave, get sick at home!" And if a person has a covid?
      I went to Yandex in the Moscow region. People complain they don't do tests. Only for 2400 rubles in a specialized institution. Therefore, we do not see the true picture of the incidence of covid.
      Sobyanin said that those who will receive treatment for covid at home will receive Favipiravir for free. So how do you get it if the tests don't?
      1. lis-ik
        lis-ik 9 October 2020 16: 22 New
        +2
        I, frankly speaking, have already designated for myself the "sect of covid witnesses", they themselves did not get sick, but there are acquaintances who have died under mechanical ventilation. Recently they said so about mutual friends, I decided to figure it out. The husband is really under the apparatus, but there is a heart attack, the wife fell ill with pneumonia after surgery and general anesthesia.
        1. New Year day
          New Year day 9 October 2020 17: 02 New
          +8
          Quote: lis-ik
          And people are scratching about covid.

          those. 700 dead physicians during the first wave died from metabolic disorders?
          You'd rather be engaged in nutrition, not medicine
          1. lis-ik
            lis-ik 9 October 2020 17: 22 New
            -3
            Quote: Silvestr
            Quote: lis-ik
            And people are scratching about covid.

            those. 700 dead physicians during the first wave died from metabolic disorders?
            You'd rather be engaged in nutrition, not medicine

            I am engaged in it (in the sense of nutrition), I see prices for covid and simple patients. I gave an example with the analysis of the sick for a reason, namely, having understood the issue. Which is what I wish for you.
            1. New Year day
              New Year day 9 October 2020 17: 30 New
              +4
              Quote: lis-ik
              I see prices for covid and simple patients. I gave an example with the analysis of the sick for a reason, namely, having understood the issue. Which is what I wish for you.

              I want to disappoint you - there are significant additional payments for working with covid ones. We received 300-400 thousand each. Some colleagues were looking forward to the continuation of the banquet. So I figured it out deeper than you
              1. lis-ik
                lis-ik 9 October 2020 17: 36 New
                -2
                Quote: Silvestr
                Quote: lis-ik
                I see prices for covid and simple patients. I gave an example with the analysis of the sick for a reason, namely, having understood the issue. Which is what I wish for you.

                I want to disappoint you - there are significant additional payments for working with covid ones. We received 300-400 thousand each. Some colleagues were looking forward to the continuation of the banquet. So I figured it out deeper than you

                For nutrition, 200 a day is a simple patient, regardless of diet and 700 covid, with the same products.
                1. New Year day
                  New Year day 9 October 2020 17: 50 New
                  +2
                  Quote: lis-ik
                  For nutrition 200 a day a simple patient, regardless of diet and 700 covid

                  So the cost of a case of covid is several times more expensive than a somatic illness, and these are salaries + medicines + food
          2. aglet
            aglet 10 October 2020 14: 43 New
            0
            "That is, 700 dead doctors during the first wave died from metabolic disorders?"
            why not? or 700 deceased doctors failed to protect themselves from the virus? How were they going to treat people with such knowledge?
        2. depressant
          depressant 9 October 2020 17: 17 New
          +1
          Colleague, what if it's still a covid? I am more worried about the price of the issue than what they are "scratching" about. The price for favipiravir was first announced at 12230. The deputies were indignant - this is a whole pension! The people, again, drove the wave. The price was reduced to 8000, but it's still a pension.

          Now let's think logically. The price of the issue is high. If every sick person is given this expensive medicine for free, as decided, then even for the Moscow budget it will be an unpleasant additional stress. And the toad will strangle the government if there are hundreds of thousands of cases across the country. Because for the emaciated state budget, the free distribution of expensive medicine - he strained even more. Therefore, make as few tests as possible, and send patients with suspicion home. No test - no covid, no free medicine! Hence the statement by Popova, they say, do not go to hospitals, because they are hotbeds. Come with ARVI, and leave with covid, so cough at home and consider that you have ARVI.
          So it turns out that we will never know the true number of covid diseases. You do not think, colleague, that the patients will personally inform you: I am sick! Will you believe only when the corpses are lying on the streets? Well, not the Middle Ages ...

          And where did you get the confidence that the "witnesses of the covid sect" are driving me to get on? For many years I have been corresponding with an old friend from Sochi, on the Internet, of course. She got infected from a neighbor, she died, this one survived, the hospital was overcrowded, she was discharged, the boss drove her to work, infected her partner, she died, this one is still barely alive. Shortness of breath, the body does not pull. Tests were done, the covid was confirmed. The child goes to school spreading the infection. Hospitals in Sochi are again overcrowded. This is first hand.
          Or do you want me to get sick, and then it will be completely first-hand? But if I get sick, I don't think I will have the strength to go to VO and shout happily: "Colleague lis-ik, but I have a covid! Confirmed!"
          1. lis-ik
            lis-ik 9 October 2020 17: 32 New
            +1
            Dear Lyudmila Yakovlevna! I wish you good health and not get hooked on hysteria with imaginary diseases. I myself have been living for the fourth year in the far suburbs of Moscow. They built a house and sent the fuck to Moscow, although they left the apartment. I live and work in the beautiful Ruza region. For work I often go to Moscow, to wholesale depots (nursery) and work in the field of food logistics for two hospitals, Mozhaisk and Ruza. There is no stalemate from the word at all. Even in the most tense spring, the "plague" building in Mozhaisk stood empty. Then, when a report was required, it was urgently flooded.
          2. New Year day
            New Year day 9 October 2020 17: 33 New
            +8
            Quote: depressant
            Colleague, what if it's still a covid?

            He is
            Quote: depressant
            The price for favipiravir was first announced at 12230.

            Generic of a Japanese old drug of questionable effectiveness
            Quote: depressant
            And where did you get the confidence that the "witnesses of the covid sect" are driving me to get on?

            The peculiarity of the Russian person is to step on the rake many times.
            They say about such - "Thomas the unbeliever"
          3. aglet
            aglet 10 October 2020 14: 47 New
            +1
            "I have been texting for many years with a longtime acquaintance from Sochi, on the Internet, of course. She contracted the infection from a neighbor, she died, this one survived, the hospital was overcrowded, was discharged, the boss drove to work, infected her partners."
            how old are all these characters? 20, or 70? And about overcrowded hospitals in sochi, more details, please
      2. aglet
        aglet 10 October 2020 14: 40 New
        +1
        "You know, there is such - luck. And in my village, either three, or four died from covid"
        so three or four? and from a virus, or from something else? Do not stir up panic, 0 otherwise it turns out, according to you, people are dying only from the virus, nothing else. and what, masks help?
        "People complain that the tests are not done. Only for 2400 rubles in a specialized institution. Therefore, we do not see the true picture of the incidence of covid."
        you will never see it, these institutions make money, because each test costs money. only Rosstat and Peskov will explain everything to you. Do you need it?
    2. New Year day
      New Year day 9 October 2020 17: 00 New
      +3
      Quote: lis-ik
      Yes, I came from the overcrowded Crimea and did not get infected either.

      Today in Crimea there are 145 cases, and 3 days ago -105.
      My friends didn't believe it either, until their sister nearly died. Aksenov had to call them for the administrative resource. Now they believe, masks are worn
      1. lis-ik
        lis-ik 9 October 2020 17: 10 New
        0
        Quote: Silvestr
        Quote: lis-ik
        Yes, I came from the overcrowded Crimea and did not get infected either.

        Today in Crimea there are 145 cases, and 3 days ago -105.
        My friends didn't believe it either, until their sister nearly died. Aksenov had to call them for the administrative resource. Now they believe, masks are worn

        Sylvester, I congratulate you now also in the sect. Forgive me for not a modest question, but from what did your sister almost die? Maybe there were any concomitant diseases? And most importantly, stop watching news channels.
        1. New Year day
          New Year day 9 October 2020 17: 20 New
          +6
          Quote: lis-ik
          and from what did the sister almost die?

          From covid, proven by PCR, smears and CT.

          Quote: lis-ik
          And most importantly, stop watching news channels.

          I don’t look. And I have something to do with the covid hospital. I feed not on gossip, but on the stories of employees
          1. depressant
            depressant 9 October 2020 18: 00 New
            -1
            Dr. Sylvester! I am glad that you appeared)) And then I started to worry - you were in the spring at the very epicenter of a "non-existent" disease, treating patients.

            And to my colleague lis-ik - thanks for the good wishes. Only I live in such a Khrushchev that when someone sneezes in some apartment, the whole house answers him: "Be healthy!" And if until now no one got sick at the entrance, it was only through the efforts of our heroic cleaner: every day the stairs and railings were disinfected. We are suffocating, but we are not sick yet, everyone is wearing masks. Pah-pah-pah, so as not to jinx it!
            1. New Year day
              New Year day 9 October 2020 18: 32 New
              +2
              Quote: depressant
              Choking, but not getting sick yet, everyone is wearing masks

              And thank God. Better something than nothing
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          3. aglet
            aglet 10 October 2020 14: 50 New
            0
            "From covid, proven by PCR, smear and CT."
            from covid, or from pneumonia? and then, it seems, do not die from covid, only from complications?
  6. Virus-free crown
    Virus-free crown 9 October 2020 15: 51 New
    +6
    Shops and markets have already begun to close. They began to fine, and even for the fact that someone put on the mask incorrectly - he put out his nose. This is called: suffocate, so all together. From the article

    At least one mascic wrote what is really happening in Moscow !!! good drinks

    And then, for my words, that in Moscow they are already closing tightly chain stores, only because of the fact that during the check there were at least a dozen buyers without a mask - they mercilessly minus me here !!! bully

    And if I now express a "seditious thought" - that in the local Pyaterochka there is a security guard at the entrance and does not let him into the mazag without a mask, and if the buyer starts to "get out and pump his rights" - then the guard (without entering into debates) constantly presses the "magic button "and literally in 2-3 minutes (200 meters to the police station) such a buyer will be screwed up and a fine of 4000 rubles will be imposed. (if the first is such a fine, if the second is + = 5000 rubles) = then for such my speeches I will instantly become a "junior lieutenant" from the "captain" here belay

    So "Not everything is so smooth in the Danish Kingdom" (c) am

    Instead of the fact that once they began to fight with covid in the spring ... it was necessary to give it to the end, to the stop !!! and not literally the next day after the announcement of the date of "voting" on amendments to the Constitution, completely confused Sobyanin begins to "carry a blizzard" and say that the covid in Moscow is over laughing He (he) was ordered (put in a pose) - then he said ... I feel sorry for Sobyanin ... although I hate him)))
    1. Beringovsky
      Beringovsky 9 October 2020 16: 06 New
      +8
      Quote: Crown without virus
      ... I feel sorry for Sobyanin ... although I hate him)))

      Don't be sorry, he doesn't deserve it. Like most of the rest, right up to the top.
      1. Virus-free crown
        Virus-free crown 9 October 2020 16: 30 New
        -2
        Quote: Beringovsky
        Quote: Crown without virus
        ... I feel sorry for Sobyanin ... although I hate him)))

        Don't be sorry, he doesn't deserve it. Like most of the rest, right up to the top.

        As for Sobyanin ... in his defense (oh God !!! it's me !!! now I am writing a post to PROTECT Sobyanin ?! belay recourse ) I will say ... Putin brazenly threw him through "manhood" ... first he gave Sobyanin full power to fight the covid ... (I will tactfully keep silent about the methods ...) and then "stopped Sobyanin at a gallop" laughing Would you like to be in Sobyanin's place ?! repeat
        1. Beringovsky
          Beringovsky 9 October 2020 21: 34 New
          +2
          Quote: Crown without virus
          Would you like to be in Sobyanin's place ?! repeat

          We need to think ... somehow unexpectedly ...
          And what to do with Bordyurach? what
      2. Phil77
        Phil77 9 October 2020 20: 07 New
        +4
        Quote: Beringovsky
        Don't be sorry, he doesn't deserve it.

        I agree! This person is anyone, but not the mayor!
        Gauleitor! This is about him, about him and about his accomplishments! Tiles, asphalt, * coronation *, thousands of Gaster on the streets of the once beloved city.
        All this is Sobyanin! Intended with a small letter!
    2. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 9 October 2020 16: 36 New
      0
      Quote: Corona without virus
      They began to fine, and even for the fact that someone put on the mask incorrectly - he put out his nose

      Where?!
      1. Virus-free crown
        Virus-free crown 9 October 2020 16: 40 New
        +1
        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
        Quote: Corona without virus
        They began to fine, and even for the fact that someone put on the mask incorrectly - he put out his nose

        Where?!

        In Moscow ... and mind you - it's not me !!! originally written !!! good I just confirm the words of the author of the article !!! drinks
        1. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 9 October 2020 16: 41 New
          0
          once again WHERE IS THE SPECIFIC FINE FOR "NOSE"?
          1. Virus-free crown
            Virus-free crown 9 October 2020 16: 44 New
            +1
            Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
            once again WHERE IS THE SPECIFIC FINE FOR "NOSE"?

            In Moscow ... and Moscow is big ... personally in the Moscow where the author of the article and I live, in OUR Moscow and "fined by the nose" and closing chain stores, not to mention the little things ... I wrote about this many times , but no one believed me ... and here is a WHOLE article on the same topic !!! good tongue
            1. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 9 October 2020 16: 47 New
              0
              Quote: Corona without virus
              in OUR Moscow and "fined for the nose"

              specific examples CAN YOU give, where, when, whom?
              1. Virus-free crown
                Virus-free crown 9 October 2020 17: 00 New
                +1
                Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                Quote: Corona without virus
                in OUR Moscow and "fined for the nose"

                specific examples CAN YOU give, where, when, whom?

                Here is the Author of the article - here it is with him and specify, since you do not believe him either !!! tongue

                And according to "our village near Moscow" ... laughing let's "score a million rubles", that if you can break into our Pyaterochka without a mask and gloves, you will be served at the checkout and you will not pay a fine - then I will owe you 1.000.000 rubles ?! good Well, if you do not succeed, you will owe me 1.000.000 rubles ?! drinks Let's formalize our dispute honor by honor through natarius !!! wassat
                1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                  Vasilenko Vladimir 9 October 2020 18: 01 New
                  +1
                  but let's all the same on specific things, I’ll tell you, otherwise I’ll give you a "nose" and you translate the arrows to five
                  and yes, not in kindergarten, to suffer with nonsense, I'm talking about a stupid argument
                  1. Virus-free crown
                    Virus-free crown 9 October 2020 18: 06 New
                    -1
                    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                    but let's all the same on specific things, I’ll tell you, otherwise I’ll give you a "nose" and you translate the arrows to five
                    and yes, not in kindergarten, to suffer with nonsense, I'm talking about a stupid argument

                    I admit ... with a silver medal at school during the Soviet era, I had only two fours in my certificate - in the Russian language and literature = and then by pull = so brave 3+ wassat

                    For specific things ... write to me about "specific things" - if I'm ready to confirm them - we go with you to the notary and for "each specific thing" we "hammer" into 1 (Adyn) mulion forever wooden through the notary soldier

                    I confirm - you owe me a mulyon ... I DO NOT !!! CONFIRM - I owe you ... repeat fellow
              2. bk0010
                bk0010 10 October 2020 17: 21 New
                0
                Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                specific examples CAN YOU give, where, when, whom?
                In Moscow, in a store, the other day, buyers. They showed it on TV, bragged about it.
    3. Lannan Shi
      Lannan Shi 9 October 2020 16: 49 New
      14
      Quote: Corona without virus
      Instead of the fact that they already started to fight with covid in the spring

      Let me tell you a terrible secret. No one fought with him, is not at war, and in principle is not even going to fight. The fact that everything in the Russian economy is extremely lousy, and in 2020 is likely to gasp, was written back in the summer-fall of 2019, when only frank knowledge knew the word coronavirus. The year 2020 has come .... And then the authorities suddenly had a big luck. There was a reason to blame everything on a virus. That's actually the whole war. One spring call of a reindeer breeder to run out of non-rubber is worth something. Yes, with a real fight against the epidemic, and not clowning, like ours, he would be immediately put up against the wall for this.
      The real quarantine begins with a complete ban on movement. And in the very focus of infection, and even more so from it. So far there is no such thing .... You can safely say. There is no fight. There is a farce, a show and frantic attempts to grab as much as possible on this very farce.
      1. Virus-free crown
        Virus-free crown 9 October 2020 17: 05 New
        -5
        Quote: Lannan Shi
        Quote: Corona without virus
        Instead of the fact that they already started to fight with covid in the spring

        Let me tell you a terrible secret. No one fought with him, is not at war, and in principle is not even going to fight. The fact that everything in the Russian economy is extremely lousy, and in 2020 is likely to gasp, was written back in the summer-fall of 2019, when only frank knowledge knew the word coronavirus. The year 2020 has come .... And then the authorities suddenly had a big luck. There was a reason to blame everything on a virus. That's actually the whole war. One spring call of a reindeer breeder to run out of non-rubber is worth something. Yes, with a real fight against the epidemic, and not clowning, like ours, he would be immediately put up against the wall for this.
        The real quarantine begins with a complete ban on movement. And in the very focus of infection, and even more so from it. So far there is no such thing .... You can safely say. There is no fight. There is a farce, a show and frantic attempts to grab as much as possible on this very farce.

        Please pay attention to the words in your post, highlighted by me in bold! smile

        In the spring, Moscow and the Moscow region lived in a real digital concentration camp ... without a digital pass you could not go anywhere in your car, what to get on public transport, you could not order a taxi, and you would definitely not be allowed in the metro ...

        So ... the "quarantine" was already - just not official ...

        and yes ... walking the dog, moving away 101 meters from the house where you live - a fine of 4000 rubles. - for the first time ... and 5000 rubles then for each walk with the dog)))
        1. Lannan Shi
          Lannan Shi 9 October 2020 18: 04 New
          +4
          Quote: Corona without virus
          So ... the "quarantine" was already - just not official ...

          Kind. Quarantine is when you are at home, and you open the door once a week to get a ration from a fighter in a biological protection suit. And those caught, even with a dog, even with a pass, outside their apartment / house, are sent at least to the bunks, but more often they shoot where they were caught. And the passes and other garbage ... It is garbage. Does it matter to you, from whom exactly you pick up the infection, from a vile intruder without a pass, or from an ideologically sustained infectious person with a pass? Quarantine is either there or not. And everything in between .... It’s just an imbalance and a complete inability to control anything beyond the scope of a tricycle. This is at its best. And at worst .... Rigid professionalism, and deliberate incitement to hysteria. In order to warm the paws on that. And the third option, in principle, is not given.
          1. Virus-free crown
            Virus-free crown 9 October 2020 18: 15 New
            +2
            Quote: Lannan Shi
            Quote: Corona without virus
            So ... the "quarantine" was already - just not official ...

            Kind. Quarantine is when you are at home, and you open the door once a week to get a ration from a fighter in a biological protection suit. And those caught, even with a dog, even with a pass, outside their apartment / house, are sent to the bunks at least, but more often they shoot where they were caught. And the passes and other garbage ... It is garbage. Does it matter to you, from whom exactly you pick up the infection, from a vile intruder without a pass, or from an ideologically sustained infectious person with a pass? He either has quarantine or not. And everything in between .... It’s just an imbalance and a complete inability to control anything beyond the scope of a tricycle. This is at its best. And at worst .... Rigid professionalism, and deliberate incitement to hysteria. In order to warm the paws on that. And the third option, in principle, is not given.

            Here !!! "Golden words" in your post, I highlighted drinks
            Therefore, I put the word "quarantine" in quotes in my post bully

            I was just maddened by the most important thing this spring, you know what ?! wassat My answer is ... that I had to get 15 km through the forests and gullies at night to the nearest ATM in order to withdraw cash from the card, my honestly earned money !!! am because the nearest ATM was in a building closed for "quarantine" ... I could not use either a taxi or even public transport - because I did not receive a digital promotion pass, because our company was not included in the list of "socially significant" type of tile re-laying in Moscow laughing
    4. New Year day
      New Year day 9 October 2020 17: 03 New
      +4
      Quote: Corona without virus
      it was necessary to give it to the end, to the stop !!!

      How's that? laughing
      Quote: Corona without virus
      literally the next day after the announcement of the date of "voting" on amendments to the Constitution

      So after all, politics request
      Everything is thrown into transit
      1. Virus-free crown
        Virus-free crown 9 October 2020 17: 13 New
        0
        Quote: Silvestr
        Quote: Corona without virus
        it was necessary to give it to the end, to the stop !!!

        How's that? laughing
        Quote: Corona without virus
        literally the next day after the announcement of the date of "voting" on amendments to the Constitution

        So after all, politics request
        Everything is thrown into transit

        I answer your question highlighted in bold! drinks

        All summer, the "under-quarantine" would have survived in Moscow - now there would be no trace of the covid ... in Moscow at least ... until Putin officially said that the covid was finished, because he really really needs a "under-vote" on amendments to the Constitution to carry out-in Moscow and the region was SOOO !!! a difficult situation with covid ... so difficult that the ambulance went only for cases with covid and then 1-2-4 days after the call ... if you had appendicitis, you can safely call the funeral home , because there was no one to treat the appendix ... I tried to call an ambulance for my neighbor on the porch at first ... well, when she became completely ill ... I called the contact wherever needed ... literally 3 hours later the ambulance I came to her ...
        1. New Year day
          New Year day 9 October 2020 17: 17 New
          +3
          Quote: Corona without virus
          I am answering your question in bold!

          So you can sleep
          Quote: Corona without virus
          in Moscow and the region was SOOO !!! difficult situation with covid

          I work in Moscow, I know
          "Here we will defeat the Pechenegs and the Polovtsy, and then the coronavirus at the same time" - I do not claim authorship. The author is in the bunker and for some reason does not want to be vaccinated with the vaccine he advertised
          1. Virus-free crown
            Virus-free crown 9 October 2020 17: 41 New
            0
            Quote: Silvestr
            Quote: Corona without virus
            I am answering your question in bold!

            So you can sleep
            Quote: Corona without virus
            in Moscow and the region was SOOO !!! difficult situation with covid

            I work in Moscow, I know
            "Here we will defeat the Pechenegs and the Polovtsy, and then the coronavirus at the same time" - I do not claim authorship. The author is in the bunker and for some reason does not want to be vaccinated with the vaccine he advertised

            1. about "sleeping" ... drinks I will answer you not literally, but in the words of Lukashenka - a sooo revered character here on the forum: "Moonshine is our all against covid !!! good ) wassat

            2. About "vaccines against codida" I already wrote NOT once !!! until I see the "control data" on the results - figs when I allow my wife to vaccinate !!! soldier I didn’t find myself in the trash heap ... and my knowledge of biology is at least no worse than that of those "talking heads" who are trying to "sell" us a vaccine hi here they are me CONVINCE!!! - so at once I myself in the forefront will begin to agitate my wife to be vaccinated !!! bully
          2. Svarog
            Svarog 9 October 2020 18: 53 New
            0
            Quote: Silvestr
            The author is in the bunker and for some reason does not want to be vaccinated with the vaccine he advertised

            So it is for suckers, for real guys from Europe they are waiting .. when they will make
  7. Dmitry Potapov
    Dmitry Potapov 9 October 2020 15: 55 New
    +1
    The virus begins to multiply forcefully when Sobyanin opens his mouth.
  8. parusnik
    parusnik 9 October 2020 16: 08 New
    +5
    This is not the second wave of covid, this is the second wave of super-profits, a separate group of people .. Okay, if the virus has risen again, you have come up with a vaccine against this disease, carry out a mass vaccination or again rescue drowning people, the work of hands. drowning people themselves smile
    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 9 October 2020 16: 38 New
      -1
      Quote: parusnik
      you came up with a vaccine against this disease, carry out a mass vaccination

      Enough to shake nonsense, to carry out MASS vaccination you need a supply, before you write, look in Tyrnet for the production capacities of pharmaceutical companies for the production of vaccines
      1. mat-vey
        mat-vey 9 October 2020 16: 44 New
        +1
        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir Today, 16: 40
        -1

        and without rudeness religion does not allow you to write?
        1. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 9 October 2020 16: 49 New
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          this is not rudeness, but a statement of stupidity, do not know the topic do not write nonsense, mass vaccination is possible only with a stock of vaccine, its production takes time
          and people like you, without delving into the essence, begin to yell "everything is lost, everything is stolen"
          1. mat-vey
            mat-vey 9 October 2020 16: 52 New
            +3
            vulgar rudeness ... so if you are not able to support elementary norms, you do not need to teach others to be polite - this is just a statement of elementary things ...
            1. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 9 October 2020 18: 03 New
              -2
              be yours, answered with rudeness to stupidity, will it triple you?
              1. mat-vey
                mat-vey 9 October 2020 18: 15 New
                +3
                Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                be yours, answered with rudeness to stupidity, will it triple you?

                Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                and without rudeness religion does not allow you to write?

                Yes, be rude as much as your soul allows ... just do not make claims to others in what you yourself are not an example ...
                1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                  Vasilenko Vladimir 9 October 2020 21: 17 New
                  -4
                  do not write nonsense, but for the truth to say that nonsense is nonsense this is not rudeness, but a statement of fact
                  1. mat-vey
                    mat-vey 10 October 2020 06: 03 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                    do not write nonsense, but for the truth to say that nonsense is nonsense this is not rudeness, but a statement of fact

                    Well, if "for the sake of truth", then the form and the content are different things ... So I'll try again - if you are not able to present your truth even in a formally polite style, then ....
                    Quote: mat-vey
                    Yes, be rude as much as your soul allows ... just do not make claims to others in what you yourself are not an example ...
                    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                      Vasilenko Vladimir 10 October 2020 08: 14 New
                      -1
                      have the courage to admit that you kicked out stupidity, and do not move the arrows
                      1. mat-vey
                        mat-vey 10 October 2020 08: 19 New
                        -1
                        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                        have the courage to admit that you kicked out stupidity, and do not move the arrows

                        What is stupidity in what? In the fact that you allow yourself to be rude, and others are trying to shame for the same?
                      2. Vasilenko Vladimir
                        Vasilenko Vladimir 10 October 2020 09: 07 New
                        -1
                        Quote: mat-vey
                        And what is stupidity?

                        in this
                        carry out mass vaccination or rescue drowning again
                        to declare mass vaccination when the third stage has not passed and when production has not been launched, this is stupidity and if you do not understand all the best
                      3. mat-vey
                        mat-vey 10 October 2020 09: 22 New
                        -2
                        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                        Quote: mat-vey
                        And what is stupidity?

                        in this
                        carry out mass vaccination or rescue drowning again
                        to declare mass vaccination when the third stage has not passed and when production has not been launched, this is stupidity and if you do not understand all the best

                        Oo-oo-oo, as with stupidity, everything is not unambiguous, as well as with courtesy mentoring .... I wonder how you communicate with such painful selfishness on the Internet .... Doesn't your ego suffer?
                      4. Vasilenko Vladimir
                        Vasilenko Vladimir 10 October 2020 13: 27 New
                        -2
                        tired, you blurted out stupidity, they stuck you into it, the topic is closed
                        is it polite enough for you?
                      5. mat-vey
                        mat-vey 10 October 2020 18: 18 New
                        -1
                        it's even funny .... are you able to distinguish two comments from two different people, or is the Internet just one wrong commentator for you? Or are you just tired and therefore unable to distinguish me from parusnik (Alexey Bogomazov)? me in their highly cultured manner "stumbled" in the fact that you are allowed to be rude from left to right? Duck, no one forbids you, just once again - then don't take away this right from others ... accept your own manner of communication both in your address and from others without moralizing ... otherwise it smacks of hypocrisy - this is Internet, but here everyone is equal and the moderator is the governor of God on the site ..
  • rocket757
    rocket757 9 October 2020 16: 16 New
    +8
    Any mass infection is a stress test of the state healthcare system, and the state system as a whole !!!
    And what did the current infection show? Anyway, what do all the previous events show ???
    Capitalism is not a system for the common man, it is a system for the rich and for the rich !!!
    And the rest is everything CONSEQUENCES OF THE SYSTEM !!!
    The question is, what else to discuss?
    1. depressant
      depressant 9 October 2020 18: 49 New
      +4
      Colleague rocket, and you can also discuss a convenient aspect of the epidemic for the authorities, which excludes protest activity of the population in the form of pickets, rallies and marches. If there was no covid, it would be worth inventing.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 9 October 2020 19: 20 New
        +4
        We do NOT have a great protest mass, such that the authorities would have had to reckon with, WAS NOT RIPE!
        We have not become more active, we are in a coma, or the upper ones have learned to protest outbursts ... to erode, level ???
        There is a quarantine, no quarantine, I see no prerequisites for something more local unrest !!!
        The critical mass, the situation must be ... carefully prepared! The country is large, the masses of the people are inert .... no, nothing will work out and there is no one to quickly, at one, even a big, unpleasant, for everyone, event to shake such a large country.
        My opinion ... we are so accustomed, we have learned, stoically to endure all sorts of troubles, that now only a big cataclysm can bring the country out of lethargy!
        Although, for the younger generation, I will not say anything !!! They are already completely different, for the most part!
        1. Phil77
          Phil77 9 October 2020 19: 57 New
          +2
          Quote: rocket757
          My opinion ... we are so accustomed, we have learned, stoically to endure all sorts of troubles, that now only a big cataclysm can bring the country out of lethargy!

          Oh yes! Right! If even the pension * reform * about ... was discussed in kitchens and on the net, then what can we say about some kind of * virus *?
          And yet, here are some characters that surprise me with eagerness * gnawing * with cashiers, shop assistants.
          Honestly, I just want to tell them:
          -Guys! I completely agree with your opinion, but ...! You guys, the address and persona were not mistaken, huh? You can also go to Tverskaya!
          On the problem? Personally, I am a * coronodissident *.
          1. depressant
            depressant 9 October 2020 20: 46 New
            +6
            At the end of the discussion on the topic "Is there social justice in Russia" on October 7, I examined in detail the reason for the social passivity of our population. The main argument: the population's complete absence of even the initial idea of ​​justice as a mandatory observance of laws in relation to everyone. Allowing themselves everything, the authorities often turn a blind eye to the misdeeds of citizens, corrupting them by this and thus excluding the social activity of the population. Therefore, he sleeps peacefully. In this respect, we are one step below the muzzled serfs of tsarist Russia.
            However, a surprising thing. In recent years, I began to notice an instinctive desire for order and legality on the part of the inhabitants of my village. We put containers for plastic - now everyone is diligently putting it there. On the streets, abandoned rubbish is a rare exception, despite the fact that there are fewer wipers than there were before. There is no litter at all in the entrances, the cleaner can only wipe the steps and panels. After 11 pm there was silence, but earlier they could turn on the acoustics at full power. As recently as today in the store, a six-year-old toddler, holding the door in the store in front of his mother with a stroller, in which the baby was, diligently held the heavy door and in front of me, straining weak hands, I was struck outright.
            If this continues, I suppose the government needs to be on its guard, people with such a craving for order are dangerous for them))) So, an epidemic is a weapon that must always be kept oiled - it may come in handy. )))
            1. Phil77
              Phil77 9 October 2020 21: 06 New
              +1
              Quote: depressant
              the government needs to be on its guard, people with such a craving for order are dangerous for them))) So, an epidemic is a weapon

              For the authorities, educated people who want justice and know their rights prescribed in the Constitution of the Russian Federation are much more dangerous.
              1. Phil77
                Phil77 9 October 2020 21: 13 New
                +2
                In the meantime, we see an interview with the notorious citizen Rakova, where she openly accuses irresponsible citizens of spreading the * pandemic *.
                Masks like, you have to wear! And gloves! Then the virus is not scary, but ... It's amazing. This is an interview, this person / close to the Gauleiter / gave without a mask.
          2. rocket757
            rocket757 9 October 2020 21: 14 New
            +2
            We waste our ardor on "sellers", in social networks .... such an effective whistle / emergency valve, Schaub to release the pressure, otherwise the boiler should have been broken for a long time!
            There is no guaranteed recipe for how we can improve our life, establish it !!! Although everything is described in the textbooks, it is told, this is a theory that is not in a hurry to apply in practice.
      2. Phil77
        Phil77 9 October 2020 20: 17 New
        +2
        Quote: depressant
        protest activity of the population in the form of pickets, rallies and processions. If there was no covid, it would be worth inventing.

        Good evening to you! Lyudmila Yakovlevna!
        Isn't it lost, this activity and civic position of citizens? Remember the end of the 80s? Rallies of many thousands, discussions both at home and at work? Now? Well, here, on the net.
        Perhaps something is wrong with us?
        1. Phil77
          Phil77 9 October 2020 20: 22 New
          +2
          Probably, we have forgotten how to * rock the boat *! So that the authorities SEE us! SEE THE CITIZENS OF HIS COUNTRY!
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 9 October 2020 21: 07 New
            +1
            To be respected, you need to learn to respect yourself, not ostentatiously, but in reality.
            Maybe it'll start with trash cans now?
            Although, earlier this was taught at school, in the family, in the work collective ...
            1. Phil77
              Phil77 9 October 2020 21: 21 New
              +1
              Quote: rocket757
              before

              Before, we still had a civil society.
              Now? We're online now.
              In general, it is interesting to fantasize a little, so if such a situation had arisen like this, in the 70th, for example? And could it have arisen at all?
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 9 October 2020 21: 37 New
                +1
                So everything happened with us!
                Riots / incidents in different places, which only now they may have learned.
                I, personally, experienced two cholera quarantines and riots in the camps at the construction site of the Stalinist Canal ... very close and I know the participants in those events how and what was done there.
                So who in the country knew about this then ??? Ineta, there were no social networks, and they did not write in the newspapers in general .... HEARING, OBS and that's it!
                1. Phil77
                  Phil77 9 October 2020 21: 49 New
                  +2
                  Quote: rocket757
                  two cholera quarantines and riots in the camps at the construction site of the Stalinist Canal ... very close and I know the participants in those events,

                  Well, what can I say? Probably this is because the diseases were real, real. And the authorities listened precisely to the opinion of scientists and doctors?
                  And now the ridiculous education is Rospotrebnadzor, and Popova is his prophet.
                  Moreover, do you know what her husband is doing? What kind of business does he run?
                  And his business is tied to the production of antiseptics. How is it normal? Almost family in a row!
                  1. rocket757
                    rocket757 9 October 2020 22: 01 New
                    +1
                    If only it were so with us, but somehow pharmacists are not drawn to the worldwide conspiracy!
                    Unless to assume that they provoked, and everything got out of control ... tady oh, and so, the infection is everywhere and EVERYONE is fighting it in about the same way.
                    1. Phil77
                      Phil77 10 October 2020 06: 43 New
                      0
                      Quote: rocket757
                      worldwide conspiracy of pharmacists

                      A conspiracy of pharmaceutical companies may not be drawn, but a little higher? Perhaps not a bluff? I'm talking about the world government, and this is nothing but a test of manageability? Or is it not a test anymore?
                      1. rocket757
                        rocket757 10 October 2020 10: 25 New
                        0
                        Society, in many countries, does not trust those who lead them, those whom they themselves seem to have chosen! But what difference does that make?
                        The state cannot function without leadership, because this is a very complex mechanism!
                        Changing the rulers like gloves, regularly, is not an option ...
                        What to do???
                2. Phil77
                  Phil77 10 October 2020 06: 34 New
                  0
                  Quote: rocket757
                  So who in the country knew about this then ???

                  Good morning!
                  And one more conclusion: it is unlikely that that proud country called the USSR would have caved in to please * the world behind the scenes *. I mean * covid *.
                  1. rocket757
                    rocket757 10 October 2020 10: 21 New
                    0
                    Good morning soldier
                    Then, the trust in the state authorities was unconditional !!! In conditions when it is necessary to apply emergency, harsh measures, this is a determining factor!
                    Not so long ago we had a quarantine for "swine fever" .... the stench from burnt carcasses, sanitary posts / cordons on the roads, respectively, huge traffic jams! And of course a lot of people who want to break it all!
                    By the way, in my youth, quarantines for "foot and mouth disease" were also carried out, the same sanitary and epidemiological measures were carried out .... there was order !!! although, of course, personal transport was much less.
                    So we have long crossed the line and now the personal is more important to us than the public!
                    P.S. then lived 500 meters from the "plague barracks" (conditional name, normal buildings, the fenced area of ​​the boarding school) so the men ran away, of course for vodka !!! But the police guarded, caught and punished for violating quarantine!
          2. depressant
            depressant 9 October 2020 21: 21 New
            +2
            I believe that the formation of a civic position, and with it political activity, is a state of the population that is akin to getting out of a boring dream. Anything can happen quickly and suddenly. Why isn't it happening?
            Because we have no one to lean against. Ukraine, Poland, Georgia leaned against America, someone against the European Union, someone against China, and they feed them with some kind of hopes, handouts, ideas, albeit false, but nourish them, as if by lending a shoulder so that they do not fell - it is clear that to play against us.
            And we ... And we are alone. We need to stick together. If we do not support each other, everyone will rush at us, we will be lost. And involuntarily, subconsciously and completely undeservedly, our power also falls into the category of those who are our support and at the same time, whom we must support.
            That is why I never shout “Down with Putin!”, Although the violation of the law by any minor official that he allows is still painful in my family. I present to Putin the requirements that he, in my opinion, must fulfill, I point out the shortcomings of his rule. Because I have no other president. This is in contrast to the citizens of, say, the same Ukraine, for whom formally the president is Zelensky, and in fact is Trump.
            1. Phil77
              Phil77 9 October 2020 21: 28 New
              +1
              Quote: depressant
              And we ... And we are alone.

              And China? And he is not alone?! Itself, it solves its own, and not only its own problems! And it would not occur to anyone to call the mayor of Shanghai, for example, a Gauleiter. very palpable! Up to * one way ticket *! With us? If you are from a flock of * Ozerkovskys *, then you can do everything!
              Well, they'll chide a little and help from the state budget, like Potanin, for example. No?
              1. depressant
                depressant 9 October 2020 21: 49 New
                +2
                The Chinese are different from us, and the only thing in which we are similar to them is the principle of loneliness inherent in us and them. But ... we are white people, and they are Asians, they seem to be building a huge termite mound. Everything that the Chinese can reach, they turn this termite mound into details in the image and likeness of the initial frail. They turn into such details that are not suitable for the construction of our house. This is a race alien to us, which recognizes and loves only itself and its way of life. Our priority is to sacrifice ourselves for the sake of other races and peoples, which in the end can destroy us. Their priority is to sacrifice themselves for their own termite mound, and they will survive. It’s even strange for me to hear that someone advises to do as they do. We cannot, we are different.
                1. Phil77
                  Phil77 9 October 2020 22: 01 New
                  +4
                  Quote: depressant
                  This is a race alien to us, which recognizes and loves only itself and its way of life.

                  What's wrong with that? We want justice, and yet we are at odds with almost everyone!
                  Quote: depressant
                  Our priority is to sacrifice ourselves for the sake of other races and peoples, which in the end can destroy us.

                  Or maybe you should think about yourself, about your own people? Look at what Moscow is turning into? This proud city in the past is already openly called Moskvabad. Does this government need this?
                  The labor market has already collapsed! No owner will raise the salary of an employee with the existing alternative in hiring a conditional * Kyrgyz *!
                  This is the salvation of the world ?????
                  1. depressant
                    depressant 9 October 2020 22: 43 New
                    +2
                    How can we think about ourselves? We are like a tree to which 89 peoples and nationalities have been grafted in the form of branches, having primordial territories in our trunk, designed in the form of state formations. In total, there are 200 peoples and nationalities living in Russia who do not want to dissolve in us, in our culture. This is the burden we bear on ourselves. Agree, it's not easy. We are not Ukraine, which us - us! - Ukrainizes. And we are like that, knowing full well that for good, ordinary retribution is evil. National egoism is not inherent in the trunk - in the branches. Such are our difficulties. It seems that our state power has taken the path that suits all these primitive communal, clan, feudal branches of the corresponding mentality, namely, the rampant lawlessness, which allows local kings to enrich themselves. Which suits them perfectly. And for their unfit needs, we adopted the rules. But it drains us. And if the trunk dries up, the whole tree will die. I believe that sooner or later our instinct of self-preservation will work, and then no epidemic will help our government. The statements of a lis-ik colleague are a manifestation of this healthy instinct.
                    That's it, Seryozha))))
                    1. Phil77
                      Phil77 10 October 2020 06: 56 New
                      +1
                      Quote: depressant
                      The statements of a colleague lis-ik are a manifestation of this healthy instinct.
                      That's it, Seryozha))))

                      Good morning, dear Lyudmila Yakovlevna!
                      Do you think they, those in power, have it? The instinct of self-preservation?
                      These are typical temporary workers! Russia for them is a field of earnings. No more ...
                      1. depressant
                        depressant 10 October 2020 07: 38 New
                        0
                        Good morning! )))
                        Temporary workers, you say? This is a form of constancy that has the form of temporary workers. A form that bets on the worst in a person, not the best. Anchored in the central government since the time of Brezhnev, manifesting itself in domestic politics more and more clearly, this bet on the worst, due to its extreme slowness, insinuatingly corroded us to such an extent that we cannot resist its penetration into our way of life. And you say - temporary workers)))

                        I repeat, unless the instinct of self-preservation works. But to overcome our instinct there is a stranglehold - digitalization as a global trend. We allowed ourselves to be driven into a warm stall of irresponsibility for our destiny, and so we will allow ourselves to be thrown over ourselves. Actually, they have already allowed it, believing that it will be thrown in parallel to our bloodsuckers. Not thrown - they are holding that stranglehold in their hands. And by the way, Putin is not the worst of them. The worst is ahead. The one who starts to tighten the stranglehold. Maybe then we'll kick it up. They say, rubbing his hands in anticipation of presidential powers, twisting the lasso in his hand, Mishustin is waiting for us)))
                      2. Phil77
                        Phil77 10 October 2020 07: 43 New
                        +1
                        Quote: depressant
                        And by the way, Putin is not the worst of them.

                        Oh yes! And who brought all this shobla? These are not * members * of his pack? Who fabulously enriched those close to him? And who * pulled him * to the post?
                        Quote: depressant
                        Mishustin is waiting for us

                        So the conversation about evolution is simply irrelevant! And what do the people have in stock?
                        And yet, we are just wildly unlucky that we are living at this time. For ...?
                        We have something to compare with, and it is!
                      3. depressant
                        depressant 10 October 2020 09: 02 New
                        0
                        Yes, we have something to compare with. And I say this with bitterness. Strong analysts and masters of social technologies of the world capitalist system! They drove us wherever they needed. And we, naive and beautiful-minded, believing the authorities at the level of "It can't be that way! Who will give!" Now we are reaping the result in the form of expectation of a bleak future. Having changed at the same time radically.
                        Who could have foreseen that the mass of the Khabarovsk people would run to rallies demanding that the obvious criminal Furgal be returned to them, proceeding from the fact that any current government is criminal by definition? A criminal, but the central government is more criminal and cynical, since it tolerated a criminal for the benefit of its calmness. Because my husband is a scoundrel, give me my husband back. Absurd!
                        We lived to see this. Before the acceptance of crime by powerful persons on the basis of comparison. If there is nothing good to be made of, let us believe that it can be made of evil. To the masses of people, this seems normal.
                        It is time to come to the understanding that good is not made of evil if laws do not work as technologies by which evil is reforged into good. We left this road (((
  • From Tomsk
    From Tomsk 9 October 2020 16: 19 New
    +3
    Where is the super-effective Russian-made vaccine?)))
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 9 October 2020 19: 23 New
      +2
      They announced. The third stage of clinical trials is under way.
      Oh yes, doctors from the red zone have already used it ... not everyone is true, only those who did not have time to get a flu shot! Between them, at least a month should pass.
    2. Tank hard
      Tank hard 11 October 2020 08: 59 New
      0
      Quote: From Tomsk
      Where is the super-effective Russian-made vaccine?

      Duc, they gathered to send to Belarus, and then to Ukraine (well, they said that in the news). repeat
  • Mmm.
    Mmm. 9 October 2020 16: 28 New
    -3
    The radio said that the governor of the Omsk region is asymptomatic with coronavirus. It’s so nice of him. Coronabeism was spread all over the country, fuckers.
    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 9 October 2020 16: 40 New
      -1
      and without rudeness religion does not allow you to write?
      1. Latrus
        Latrus 9 October 2020 19: 03 New
        -2
        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
        and without rudeness religion does not allow you to write?

        They are happy, not rude .. Such is their DNA structure bully
  • lis-ik
    lis-ik 9 October 2020 17: 19 New
    +2
    Site administration question !!! Why was my comment about the profanation of morbidity and the participation of the mayor of Moscow in this not specious business removed?
  • Latrus
    Latrus 9 October 2020 19: 00 New
    +2
    And eternal COVID, we only dream about peace ..
    When putting on a mask, you should think about whether it is worth the price to go out just ..?

    It is funny and sad at the same time ))))
  • tolancop
    tolancop 9 October 2020 19: 46 New
    10
    I don’t believe in tsiferki about the number of sick, or infected, or dying ...
    For a long time people did not give a damn about masks and there was no outbreak of diseases. And here you are - flooded, as under the order !!! Why would it suddenly? Have you come back from the resorts-dachas? So long ago they returned and at the dachas-resorts did not sit in a vacuum, but all side by side.
    There is a special conversation about the orders of the Moscow maryn. Back in April, he should have been given a hand and beaten off with his head for the lawlessness. But they only threatened them with a finger and, apparently, strongly advised the people not to anger the people before the vote. Calmed down for a while. but time passed, he again stuck his nose out of the hole and behind his own. Send 30% to a remote location. Here is the mayor's office, prefectures and enterprises belonging to the city send. And to interfere in the operational activities of commercial enterprises (operating at their own peril and risk, by the way !!!) is not yours ..... business !!!! And it also demands personal data of employees under threat of fines. Hey, citizen prosecutor of the city of Moscow !!!! No eyes, and the mayor's tongue is in the anus? And the citizen is the Attorney General ?! Hey !!!! On what basis are the murky structures going to engage in surveillance of citizens? Engage in, in fact, operational-search activities. In the Law "On OSA" the list of bodies that have been granted this right is exhaustive, and strangely enough, there are no mayor's offices, departments, or inspections-figues in it. Absolutely. The same prosecutor for the mistake of an ordinary operative of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the FSB, etc. he will lower three skins from the latter, and then a MASSIVE violation of the Law and silence are being prepared ...
    1. Phil77
      Phil77 9 October 2020 20: 11 New
      +4
      Quote: tolancop
      Back in April, he should have been given a hand and beaten off with his head for the lawlessness. But they only threatened them with a finger and, apparently, strongly advised the people not to anger the people before the vote. Calmed down for a while. but time passed, he again stuck his nose out of the hole and behind his own. Send 30% to a remote location.

      That's why they just waved their finger, that he was his own! His own! From * the deck *!
  • Andrey VOV
    Andrey VOV 9 October 2020 20: 36 New
    -1
    Well, why this opus? The usual pensioner or pre-retirement grumbling? In the spring there were a hundred million such articles ... well, of course, in the spring there is often an exacerbation ... however, as in the fall
  • Knell wardenheart
    Knell wardenheart 9 October 2020 20: 46 New
    +4
    In Moscow time, on another playground in the late afternoon, all the measures taken by the authorities to try to combat the spread of Covid-19 collapse. I have never seen swings, slides, benches and exercise equipment disinfected - and by the way, I heard somewhere that there are even more microbes on the working surfaces in the rocking chair than under the rim of the toilet bowl.
    So all this is fiction, mouse fuss, imitation of ebullient activity. To then mask their incompetence with a savory enumeration of hyperactive and draconian measures. Of course, people are to blame - but damn it, in more than half a year, couldn’t they have reached more intelligible measures of struggle ?!
    This is the nat. safety, after all ..
    1. depressant
      depressant 10 October 2020 10: 59 New
      0
      The same picture on the playground under my windows. From morning to evening, the voices of children, drug addicts howl at night, no one disinfects. The neighboring houses have very complex playgrounds, with many voluminous structures. One of them has a cleverly curved pipe. The child climbs into it from above and inside the pipe with a feint goes down. I also thought: how will it get stuck? And who is going to disinfect?
  • Radikal
    Radikal 9 October 2020 21: 58 New
    +2
    The second wave of COVID-19, or What are pensioners and schoolchildren to blame for
    The government itself connives, and provokes this "wave" without blocking travel abroad, in particular to Turkey .... sad
  • Pavel57
    Pavel57 9 October 2020 23: 12 New
    +3
    We have not yet recaptured investments in a factory for the production of masks.
  • avdkrd
    avdkrd 10 October 2020 00: 57 New
    +4
    Quote: Svarog
    Quote: 7,62x54
    All the hype around covid is needed to enrich a group of people who receive super profits from the sale of antiseptics, masks, and more recently, drugs and vaccines.

    Here you need to look deeper .. Although the fact that, despite the contraction of world economies, billionaires are only multiplying and getting richer, makes us think .. how strange this is all, and the death rate from covid is slightly higher than the flu ..
    People are being ruined for some reason and driven into poverty ..

    I think that we need to look even deeper: ALL countries that have put a pandemic (which does not exist) on the agenda have been marked by social repression, under the auspices of the fight against COVID-19. This is the rollback and introduction of technologies to control citizens and the parallel introduction of punishments that do not comply with the law and the constitution. It seems to me that COVID-19 has become a convenient cover for the usurpation of citizens' rights. Of course, you can speculate about a world conspiracy, but most likely everything is prosaic - it is beneficial for any government. No wonder the reports show that trillions of dollars have been spent on COVID-19 countermeasures in the world. On masks that protect against a virus like a forest from mosquitoes and a blow to business "for people" (catering, service, fitness, etc.). In our country in medicine, despite the victorious reports in the media, there is a deep crisis, since the nightmare of COVID-19 has led to the closure of a number of medical specialized centers and, accordingly, the quality of the already not the highest medical service has decreased. This is happening all over the world anyway. It is more profitable for a medical institution to receive a grant for specialization in COVID-19 and simply "score" on everything else.
    Probably we should expect the classification of all statistics, since it spoils the "picture" and allows literate people to consider COVID-19 something like an acute respiratory disease.
  • Gunther
    Gunther 10 October 2020 02: 43 New
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    Quote: Victor Malyshev
    for a start, there is negative information about the sick and the dead ...

    This is done deliberately, it is not for nothing that they say that all diseases are from nerves - masks deliberately drive the elderly into a depression, lock them in a concrete cage, while they themselves suck in oxygen on the territory of their country mansions, and exhale all sorts of nasty things sad
  • Bat039
    Bat039 10 October 2020 09: 52 New
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    Only the government and the president of the Russian Federation are to blame, who in no way will find the courage and common sense in themselves to close the borders of the Russian Federation for the loitering. It is no secret that a new outbreak of Covid-19 followed immediately after the end of the vacation season and the infection in the Russian Federation was again brought by those who like to hang out abroad. Quarantine them, since they are not at home and not at home, which they do not comply with, but at the prison and at their personal expense. I do not intend to walk around my own city in a chemical protection suit because of some not smart person who wanted to get drunk somewhere in Turkey. I don't like it in Russia, even if it remains in Turkey, for permanent residence ...
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  • Tank hard
    Tank hard 11 October 2020 08: 49 New
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    There are a little more than a million people who have died from the damned covid in the world, and this is only 0,01 with a small percentage of the world's population, but the cases are just those 0,1 percent,

    The devil knows him .., but in our institution of 40 employees, only 4 were not lying at home or in the hospital, including myself, but everyone communicated, I personally face to face with those who were bad the next day, passed on covid and it was confirmed. I had a moment when my eyes began to water strongly in the morning and a runny nose began, but somehow it passed quickly. I didn’t go to do the tests myself, it’s expensive for me, but whoever will do it for free, there are no symptoms, which means there may be no virus. I replace patients, I have already earned 2 months' salary in 2 weeks, but I get tired, however ... request
  • Old26
    Old26 11 October 2020 19: 45 New
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    Quote: Silvestr
    With a staffing of 30 and even 50%, how long will you wait for a doctor?

    Long, but still came. They called an ambulance at about 16 o'clock, explained the situation that his wife had a high temperature for three or four days and could not bring it down. We arrived somewhere around 3 o'clock in the morning, but arrived. There were more than 8 calls to 150 ambulance teams.
    A couple of days later I had to call an ambulance again, but in the morning, at 9-10 o'clock. We arrived in about 30 minutes. Another 30 minutes were busy with my wife, and they said that they needed to be hospitalized. An intensive telephone exchange between a doctor and a joint venture station and statements that they can only be hospitalized outside the city, in another city at a distance of 45 km. Hospitalized, placed in intensive care. In total, she lay for almost 3 weeks. The first test for the virus was positive. Automatically, my daughter and I went through sampling (the nurse came home and took it). Thank God two more tests and all those CT and MRI scans with X-rays showed that the wife did not have a crown. The food was good and satisfying.
    So it all depends on the local authorities.

    Quote: your1970
    There was a wild weakness, 4 months have passed, and it is, severe shortness of breath.

    In-in. The wife is at home for almost 2 weeks now, and the same thing. Weakness, shortness of breath ...
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