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The Ministry of Defense of Armenia announced two shot down UAVs and the flight of the enemy "with the entire composition of the battalion"

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The press service of the Ministry of Defense of Armenia reports on the use of republican air defense systems. The report says that two drones of Azerbaijani troops were shot down in the southern direction of the ongoing armed conflict.


There is no official data on what kind of drones they were, but social networks in Armenia claim that at least one of the downed UAVs was a Turkish-made Bayraktar drone. The second UAV is said to have been a reconnaissance one.

On Facebook, the head of the press service of the Armenian Ministry of Defense Shushan Stepanyan posted a video footage showing the destruction of Azerbaijani armored vehicles, as well as individual fortifications:


The press secretary of the Armenian military department said in a statement that in the morning Azerbaijani troops made new attempts to attack in the southern direction, but at the same time they lost three units of armored vehicles. The casualties were said to have been more than 20.

Further, the statement that has already become traditional for the parties to the conflict:

The enemy fled from the approaches to Jabrayil with the entire composition of the battalion.

Earlier, the Ministry of Defense of the Republic of Azerbaijan made a similar statement about the "flight of the enemy". As you can see, the war is taking place not only on the battlefields, but also in the information space.
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  1. BAI
    BAI 8 October 2020 10: 17
    +1
    The war will end there when both countries become part of the third state.
    1. Interlocutor
      Interlocutor 8 October 2020 10: 21
      52
      The war will end there when both countries become part of the third state

      Come on, nafig them.
      1. Insurgent
        Insurgent 8 October 2020 10: 31
        +1
        The Ministry of Defense of Armenia announced two shot down UAVs and the flight of the enemy "with the entire composition of the battalion"

        This is what, a real letter to a grief-stricken wife, or an element of information war in the style - "I myself am the wife / daughter of an officer ..."

        Go figure it out recourse .



        “I am the wife of the deceased Azerbaijani Air Force pilot Valiyev Sabina Chingiz kyzy, I appeal to all our citizens of Azerbaijan and the governments of different countries. On October 3, 2020, my husband Valiyev Sabir, an AR Air Force pilot, was shot down in Karabakh, he died, his body has not yet been found. We have two kids. I got a call from his colleague (I can not name the name), told this news. I asked why Sabir did not eject, he replied that we cannot eject, it is so arranged that we would not be captured, since Turkish pilots are flying with us, two have already died. And if they or us are captured, Azerbaijan will have big problems, we have a one-way ticket.
        I don't care what problems Azerbaijan will have. His colleague also said that the soldiers are still worse, they are sent to the attack without the support of armored vehicles, like meat. Thousands of corpses are lying and rotting, this violates our customs of Islam and our Ministry of Defense does not even stop to pick them up. Another soldier told me that soldiers are thrown into battle with this garbage from the Middle East, there are real criminals, soldiers do not regret, several hundred die during the battle, commanders are afraid to tell the truth to our president, so that they would not be punished, they throw new and new. The military tells me that if the population finds out about our losses, the Government will simply be destroyed. I see numerous photographs of our murdered martyrs who became martyrs, but for the top they are just meat.
        I appeal to my people, government, people of the world, governments of different countries with a request to stop the war and punish our government for inhuman treatment of their martyrs and people.
        President Aliyev, stop, do not ruin our children, your generals lie to you, they hide from you our losses and inhuman attitude towards soldiers. Remove terrorists from the Middle East from our country. Let Erdogan shed the blood of his soldiers at home for his own interests in his own interests. I know as soon as they find out that I have turned to the world community, they will start persecuting me and rejecting my words. I will try to be persistent.
        I implore all of you to raise your voice. ”

        (c) Sabina Velieva
        1. Ulrih
          Ulrih 8 October 2020 10: 37
          18
          It is hard to believe (at least in the part about the infantry), the Armenians would have filmed such a long time ago how herds of infantry go into battle without support and how they are easily shot (since there are thousands of corpses).
        2. Fon elia
          Fon elia 8 October 2020 10: 38
          17
          These are all tales of "Armenian radio". Aviation has not yet been used. Drones only.
        3. Bakinec
          Bakinec 8 October 2020 10: 42
          -12 qualifying.
          And with this you want to calm down the Armenian soldiers who are screeching with the speed of an antelope
          1. Keyser soze
            Keyser soze 8 October 2020 14: 23
            +5
            And with this you want to calm down the Armenian soldiers who are screeching with the speed of an antelope


            And so they make a circle around Karabakh and find themselves again in the same place and kick you in the face with their boots, since they cannot break through the first line of defense. In general, your blitzkrieg is full of seams and with all the support of the Turks and the Mujahideen, you are still close to the place where you started the war. Go and look at the map at Colonel Cassad and again come here to write about the successes of the Azeri-Turkish army.
        4. Avior
          Avior 8 October 2020 10: 42
          +7
          Story from yandexdzen
          There is no link to the original, the profile does not exist, as they say in the discussion
          https://zen.yandex.ru/media/infoteka24/prezident-aliev-ostanovites-ne-gubite-nashih-detei-jena-ubitogo-v-arcahe-pilota-raskryla-tainy-azerbaidjanskoi-armii-5f7d9901398ab5384b323ccd
          1. Insurgent
            Insurgent 8 October 2020 10: 52
            +5
            Quote: Avior
            Story from yandexdzen
            There is no link to the original, the profile does not exist, as they say in the discussion

            You can, after all,whenever you want,independently (and quickly) find information .

            And that's all - "Give a link","what is your evidence"...
            1. Avior
              Avior 8 October 2020 11: 04
              +2
              Sometimes it is embarrassing for a person to write that he is deliberately cheating or inventing, he has to do it indirectly ...
              1. Insurgent
                Insurgent 8 October 2020 11: 10
                0
                Quote: Avior
                Sometimes it is embarrassing for a person to write that he is deliberately cheating or inventing, he has to do it indirectly ...

                Your "awkwardness" was not particularly noticeable when you persistently demanded references to the Pentagon's statements about their data (statement) on the transfer of pro-Turkish militants to Karabakh ...

                They did not seek confirmation of this on their own, even taking into account the fact that such statements already was made by Macron, and later by the head of the SVR Naryshkin ...
                1. Avior
                  Avior 8 October 2020 11: 18
                  +7
                  Do you want an honest answer?
                  I knew perfectly well that you are misleading people and that such a statement by the Americans does not exist in nature - neither Trump said this, nor the Pentagon.
                  However, today that the letter is a frank linden, it was also obvious. hi
                  1. Insurgent
                    Insurgent 8 October 2020 11: 29
                    0
                    Quote: Avior
                    Do you want an honest answer?


                    To begin with, honestly answer yourself - Why can't you / don't want to adequately and balancedly perceive the accompanying commentary to the published "the statement of the pilot's wife", and specifically this comment:
                    Quote: Insurgent
                    This is what, a real letter from a grief-stricken wife, or an element of information war in the style - "I myself am the wife / daughter of an officer ..."

                    Go figure it out


                    You don't read / don't perceive, but you make harsh statements:
                    Quote: Avior
                    However, today that the letter is a frank linden, it was also obvious.
                    1. Avior
                      Avior 8 October 2020 11: 36
                      +5
                      Because it was a frank linden, so frank that it was immediately obvious.
                      And you, perfectly understanding this, brought him anyway, but made a reservation.
                      If you read carefully, then in my post with a link to the source in your address there is nothing at all, there is strictly about the "letter".
                      1. Insurgent
                        Insurgent 8 October 2020 11: 41
                        0
                        Quote: Avior
                        Because it was a frank linden, so frank that it was immediately obvious.
                        И You, perfectly understanding this, brought him anyway, but made a reservation.


                        That's it... Deliberately brought as a vivid example of the information war yes to provoke controversy, discussion.
                        Similarly, I recently cited videos of Azerbaijan’s stupid propaganda


                        You obviously do not understand this, that:

                      2. Deck
                        Deck 8 October 2020 12: 02
                        -7
                        The armed forces of Armenia during the military offensive operation "Mountain" established control over Mount Ararat. This statement was made by the country's defense ministry. It is noted that more than 2 thousand servicemen and about 500 militias from the Armenian settlements adjacent to Ararat took part in the operation. It took the Armenian Armed Forces 6 hours to complete the assigned tasks.
                      3. BAI
                        BAI 8 October 2020 12: 24
                        +8
                        During the military offensive operation "Mountain", the Armenian armed forces established control over Mount Ararat

                        This mountain is located in Turkey. Confuses nothing? It must be more accurate.
                      4. Deck
                        Deck 8 October 2020 15: 09
                        0
                        And nothing else confused you? wink
                      5. Runway
                        Runway 9 October 2020 06: 18
                        0
                        This is a banter.
    2. Oleg123219307
      Oleg123219307 8 October 2020 10: 53
      14
      Well, this is a pretty obvious fake for several reasons. Firstly - well, really, the Armenians would not show the wreckage of the downed aircraft? This is a reason for pride and at the same time for accusations against the Turks. However, everyone declares. And if all the planes worked over the territory of Azerbaijan without flying to the enemy, therefore there are no debris, so why disable the catapult? Pilots are one-of-a-kind goods, it takes longer, more difficult and more expensive to train a pilot than buying a new plane. They are cherished. Secondly - do you believe in the officer's wife, especially the pilot's officer who wrote this after the death of her husband at the hands of enemies? Of course there is not Russia, the mentality is different, but I hardly believe in this. In the letter "tear them all up there, young and old, without mercy," I would still believe, but so ... About epithets like "I appeal to my people, government, people of the world, governments of different countries with a request to stop the war and punish our government for inhuman treatment of their martyrs and the people. " you don't have to speak at all. I am asking the government to punish the government. Gentlemen - shoot yourself. Sur. Or, “Another soldier told me that soldiers are being thrown into battle with this garbage from the Middle East.” Since when is the pro-Turkish Syrian Islamists considered “garbage” there? They are our enemies, as well as ISIS, but in Azerbaijan the attitude is different. There, the Turks and the pro-Turkish forces are rooted as we are for Assad. In my opinion, a primitive setup. Moreover, it is aimed not only and not so much at Azerbaijan as at domestic consumption and the West. I can hardly be called pro-Azerbaijani. I am Russian, I live in Russia, and unlike our sweet and kind leadership, I will never forgive or forget that plane. But now it seems to me that the Armenians are trying to entice us into a bloody feud, unleashed by them, and on orders from overseas. They themselves are in no hurry to recognize Karabakh, but only agitate us. Yes, and painfully smoothly all those who branded us for helping the Donbass in an absolutely similar situation began to shout that we save Karabakh ... As for me, we sit, watch, do not climb.
      1. SSR
        SSR 13 October 2020 13: 29
        +1
        Quote: oleg123219307
        Yes, and painfully smoothly all those who branded us for helping the Donbass in an absolutely similar situation began to shout that we save Karabakh ... As for me, we sit, watch, do not climb.

        Judging by the way the NKR conflict is covered, our leadership clearly knows what it is doing and the decision has been made.
        In our main media, there is zero information about the conflict in the NKR.
        1. Oleg123219307
          Oleg123219307 13 October 2020 13: 33
          +1
          Quote: SSR
          Judging by the way the NKR conflict is covered, our leadership clearly knows what it is doing and the decision has been made.
          In our main media, there is zero information about the conflict in the NKR.

          Let's hope it will continue this way. For when the Armenians are squeezed out, the degree of howling and crying will rise by an order of magnitude. Aya does not think that our guys should die for this foreign land.
    3. Dodikson
      Dodikson 8 October 2020 10: 56
      +3
      Why did Madame go too far?
      too much like it.
    4. Grits
      Grits 8 October 2020 12: 41
      +1
      Quote: Insurgent
      (c) Sabina Velieva

      ... We won't hear anything more about Sabina Valieva.
      1. Insurgent
        Insurgent 8 October 2020 12: 54
        +4
        Quote: Gritsa
        ... We won't hear anything more about Sabina Valieva.

        Do not despair, propaganda will give birth, for example - Valina Sabiev.
    5. Otshelnik
      Otshelnik 9 October 2020 11: 55
      -1
      It is unlikely that it will work ... you need to come up with something newer)) although you can continue to spend time on such bullshit ... and in the meantime we)) good luck with the handwriting laughing
    6. g1v2
      g1v2 9 October 2020 13: 16
      +1
      The usual propaganda leaflet. The Germans in the Second World War they were also about and made up. It was often written that Comrade Stalin did not know about the indicated horrors - he was not reported by malicious generals, etc. It is clear that such leaflets hardly work for anyone, but they create an atmosphere. Moreover, the soldiers are always sure that the generals are betraying them, they are deliberately sent to death, and so on. Yes, a small imprint remains and in difficult times it works.
  2. Cyril G ...
    Cyril G ... 8 October 2020 10: 59
    +1
    definitely especially remembering about the Moscow terrorist attack in the 80s ...
  3. Dmitry Makarov
    Dmitry Makarov 8 October 2020 12: 14
    0
    The third state means Turkey, but what did you think?
  4. BAI
    BAI 8 October 2020 12: 22
    -1
    Come on, nafig them.

    And who said that it was a part of Russia? There are also Turkey and Iran.
  5. NEXUS
    NEXUS 8 October 2020 20: 30
    0
    Quote: Interlocutor
    Come on, nafig them.

    Well, in the USSR, the Armenians did not shoot each other with the Tajiks. But the provocateurs on both sides ... well, they only melt 30 pieces of silver and pour it down the throat, because they don't care about their people and their homeland.
  • Aaron Zawi
    Aaron Zawi 8 October 2020 11: 03
    +5
    So the Azerbaijanis are retreating, and why are the tanks abandoned by the Armenian soldiers.
    1. Oquzyurd
      Oquzyurd 8 October 2020 11: 14
      +4
      These are dummies of tanks, on a sieve of percentiles. If you look closely, you can see that the footage was also filmed in southern Iraq, probably. They pasted drawings on these dummies with crocodile mouths, they pass them off as Armenian yes
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 8 October 2020 11: 39
      -2
      The Armenians, as always, "They retreat when they attack."
      1. genisis
        genisis 8 October 2020 13: 07
        +3
        Vadim, do you, as usual, have a bunch of videos from Jebrail? ))
      2. Vladimir_6
        Vladimir_6 8 October 2020 14: 35
        -1
        Quote: Vadim237
        The Armenians, as always, "They retreat when they attack."

        Somehow I had to talk to a group of Kazakh guys. I tell them - "forward" in Kazakh "Alga".
        I ask - how will it be back to you? They gave so many options, but I told them that all their options are not correct. I tell them the Kazakhs do not have the word "back". If they need to go in the opposite direction, they turn around and still "Alga". My joke caused them a storm of delight.
  • keeper03
    keeper03 8 October 2020 11: 33
    0
    To Turkey ?! wassat stop
  • svp67
    svp67 8 October 2020 11: 47
    0
    Quote: BAI
    The war will end there when both countries become part of the third state.

    Return to the Ottoman Empire?
  • Nychego
    Nychego 8 October 2020 12: 19
    -1
    Quote: BAI
    The war will end there when both countries become part of the third state.

    If Armenia becomes part of Turkey, it will be without Armenians.
    Iran is an unlikely option, because the Shiites in Iran still rule.
    To Russia ... well, right after Montmartre and the former Columns of Russian armored vehicles (not captured) will pass through the Ayasofiya mosque, one can start dreaming of an occupation in addition to Europe and Turkey of Azerbaijan and Armenia. In short, a fairy tale.
    1. BAI
      BAI 8 October 2020 12: 29
      +1
      Absolutely right. All 3 options are not feasible, so the conflict will continue well, oh-oh-very long. Especially if the existing border now changes in favor of one of the parties.
  • venik
    venik 8 October 2020 13: 07
    0
    Quote: BAI
    The war will end there when both countries become part of the third state.

    =======
    Alas! BOTH sides are in no hurry to join the "third state" ... Well, maybe: Azerbaijan is a part of the "Turkish sultanate" ...... And even then - only some of the "reckless radicals" ... Exactly also also applies to Armenia!
    Question: WHAT will outweigh: "nationalist ambitions" or is it "COMMON Sense"? Alas! I DO NOT SEE the answer to this question!
    Everything leads to the fact that BOTH SIDES - THE PROLONGED CONFLICT WILL NOT WITHDER! Everything goes to the point that "everything will return to" normal "- perhaps with insignificant territorial changes!
    PS And then it suffers CIVILIANS!!! And the question is: TO WHOM IT PROFITABLE?
    PPS You can "throw slippers" ... "off the couch"! But that's my personal opinion! hi
  • Sidor Amenpodestovich
    Sidor Amenpodestovich 8 October 2020 10: 20
    +1
    As you can see, the war is taking place not only on the battlefields, but also in the information space.

    And it is still unknown where it is fiercer.
  • Livonetc
    Livonetc 8 October 2020 10: 22
    13
    The Azerbaijani army failed the operation at the preparation stage, underestimating the enemy and the complexity of the operation.
    Now they are trying to assure themselves and others that everything was conceived and is going according to plan.
    It turned out that superiority in means, and even a strong ally, is not a guarantee of success.
    1. the finish
      the finish 8 October 2020 10: 30
      +4
      Yes! But only cities and villages are strongly ironed. All in dust, in order to force the population to leave the region.
    2. nnm
      nnm 8 October 2020 10: 30
      +1
      And those whom this "ally" tried to involve in this very war, did not come to it, wah, shaitans!
      1. Scoun
        Scoun 8 October 2020 11: 16
        +4
        Quote: nnm
        And those whom this "ally" tried to involve in this very war, did not come to it, wah, shaitans!

        And Erdogan, in any case, remains in the black. If it is successful, he will say that we helped, if it fails, he will say that we wanted to help, but the Aliyevs and Pashinyans did not react properly to our help ... Wah wah bad people.
    3. Bakinec
      Bakinec 8 October 2020 10: 58
      -7
      Azerbaijan is doing everything according to plan. And the countless videos about the abandoned equipment of the Armenians prove this. Az. the army physically and morally destroys the Armenian army to force the Armenians to negotiate on our terms. Storming the mountains is already the second stage.
      1. Horon
        Horon 8 October 2020 11: 13
        +7
        I hope you are writing this while on the front line, otherwise it’s just the effect of propaganda poisoning. Be careful with joy, people are dying on both sides of the front.
      2. nnm
        nnm 8 October 2020 11: 45
        +9
        Are you in a hurry with conclusions?
        Quote: Bakinec
        Storming the mountains is the second stage.

        I would say that this is a key stage. And you introduced your operational reserve (4 arm. Corps) for 3-4 days and, it seems, without any special results.
        It would be interesting, of course, to look at the maps, what tasks were set and the degree of their achievement to evaluate. But who will show them then ...
        In any case, it is a pity that people on both sides are dying for the sake of one political phrase:
        "to force the Armenians to negotiate on our terms."
    4. Cyril G ...
      Cyril G ... 8 October 2020 11: 00
      +1
      Quote: Livonetc
      Now they are trying to assure themselves and others that everything was conceived and is going according to plan.


      The gray geldings are lying ..... Everything was thought with an eye to the Tempest. And for political reasons, it must be carried out as soon as possible to minimize the consequences. Turks for the Armenian genocide have been diligently carrying their faces on rough concrete for a hundred years
    5. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 8 October 2020 12: 06
      +6
      Azerbaijanis are in no hurry. First they knocked out the air defense, then the armored vehicles
      from the air. They kicked the Grads.
      Even clusters of infantry were attacked from drones, which is already expensive.
      Then they try to attack in different places. Where resistance is strong, they retreat
      back, where the weak - advance.
      They didn't have a blitzkrieg planned. Tactic - gradual squeezing with
      small own losses.
      Is it right? - future weeks will show.
      Armenia seems to have no armored vehicles left. But they can put together combat-ready
      infantry battalions and effectively resist in the mountains.
    6. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 8 October 2020 14: 00
      0
      Quote: Livonetc
      The Azerbaijani army failed the operation at the preparation stage, underestimating the enemy and the complexity of the operation.
      Now they are trying to assure themselves and others that everything was conceived and is going according to plan.
      It turned out that superiority in means, and even a strong ally, is not a guarantee of success.

      Do not know
      From what can be seen now:
      1) They are trying to pass from the south and north, ultimately cut off Karabakh from Armenia.
      2) Slowly knock out everything that shoots a caliber> 7.62 and l / s
      3) There are no frontal attacks - otherwise there would have been filming and interviews with prisoners
      To storm the fortified area head on would be foolish. They will try to isolate him, then, inflicting losses, force him to capitulate or leave for Armenia

      This is my vision. Perhaps everything goes according to the principle of a meat grinder and "who will be the first to falter."
    7. Otshelnik
      Otshelnik 9 October 2020 11: 59
      -1
      What are you saying ...?)) Well, so be it, if it calms you down, you can continue to think so))
  • Lipchanin
    Lipchanin 8 October 2020 10: 23
    -1
    As you can see, the war is taking place not only on the battlefields, but also in the information space.

    That's why she and the war

    The press service of the Ministry of Defense of Armenia reports

    The Azeri Press Service will announce something tomorrow
  • Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
    Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 8 October 2020 10: 24
    -3
    Why are only Armenian fanfares thundering on VO? What kind of bias? Where are the victorious reports of the Azerbaijanis? There, too, probably, the counter of the destroyed, broken and put to flight is already smoking.
    1. Ulrih
      Ulrih 8 October 2020 10: 30
      +9
      Hello .... All videos of "liberated" villages, captured equipment, etc. Azeris are also published.
      1. Insurgent
        Insurgent 8 October 2020 10: 47
        +7
        Quote: Ulrih
        Hello .... All videos of "liberated" villages, captured equipment, etc. Azeris are also published.




        Link - https://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/6228123.html ("We are Azerbaijani soldiers") on an Armenian parody of a low-standard propaganda video from the Azerbaijani army (VIDEO)

    2. the finish
      the finish 8 October 2020 10: 31
      +3
      President of Azerbaijan Ilham Aliyev said that Baku does not report combat losses, because this information is a state secret and will be made public only after the end of hostilities.
      1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
        Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 8 October 2020 10: 42
        +2
        Quote: finish
        because this information is a state secret and will be made public only after the end of hostilities.

        Ah, got it. Intrigue. But the "armenian vohenshau" mows down the Azerbaijanis together with the BTT and the UAV like a husqvarna lawn mower.
      2. The comment was deleted.
      3. igor67
        igor67 8 October 2020 13: 15
        +2
        Quote: finish
        President of Azerbaijan Ilham Aliyev said that Baku does not report combat losses, because this information is a state secret and will be made public only after the end of hostilities.

        Putin classified the data on the dead soldiers in peacetime
        Losses of the Ministry of Defense personnel "in peacetime during the period of special operations" have become a military secret. President Vladimir Putin updated his decree, which previously only applied to wartime

        Read more at RBC:
        https://www.rbc.ru/politics/28/05/2015/5566d8889a79477ecebe00e8?utm_source=amp_full-link
    3. nnm
      nnm 8 October 2020 10: 32
      +9
      Colleague, this is absolutely not the case. Watch the tape in a couple of days. On the contrary, there are more references to the victorious reports of Azerbaijan. And not because one of the parties is supported, it's just that it is more successful in the media field. But the VO certainly does not have a bias in any direction.
      1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
        Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 8 October 2020 10: 44
        -1
        Quote: nnm
        Watch the tape in a couple of days. On the contrary, there are more references to the victorious reports of Azerbaijan.

        missed, apparently. For some reason, more and more reports of Armenians about tactical victories come across.
        1. Volodin
          Volodin 8 October 2020 10: 53
          0
          Well, if you missed it, then I won't be lazy:

          https://topwar.ru/175884-azerbajdzhan-pokazal-desjatki-trofejnyh-armejskih-avtomobilej.html
          https://topwar.ru/175845-bronetehnika-na-hodu-azerbajdzhanskie-vojska-pokazali-zahvachennye-u-armii-nkr-tanki.html
          https://topwar.ru/175833-minoborony-azerbajdzhana-opublikovalo-kadry-s-zahvachennymi-pozicijami-protivnika-i-vzjatymi-trofejami.html

          So, offhand
    4. Buka001
      Buka001 8 October 2020 10: 35
      -12 qualifying.
      Azerbaijan does not especially need victorious reports! They silently do their job. Another thing is the Armenian agitprom, in this they have succeeded greatly. It must be admitted that the Azerbaijani army has real successes, in ten days they will advance so much in the direction where they have been building defense for 30 years. This is a success.
      1. URAL72
        URAL72 8 October 2020 10: 48
        +2
        Let's remember the French army and the Maginot Line? It was more serious than the fortifications of Karabakh. But a month later, Paris was already passed. Any lines of defense can be broken through, the time of fortresses has passed.
        1. Alevil
          Alevil 8 October 2020 11: 06
          +6
          And the Germans did not break through the Maginot Line. They went around it through the territory of Belgium. The mountains of Karabakh cannot be bypassed. And the Azerbaijani army, even with the support of the Turks, is not the Wehrmacht at all.
          1. URAL72
            URAL72 8 October 2020 11: 33
            +1
            And the army of Karabakh is not at all the combined forces of France, Belgium and Britain. And there they took Holland along the way. Now Baku has both numerical and technical superiority over Karabakh, the Germans did not have it in 1940. I'm not talking about that either. The time for fortifying areas has passed, now is the time for mobile and hybrid wars. You are looking at this war through the glasses of the cavalryman Budyonny.
        2. MKPU-115
          MKPU-115 8 October 2020 11: 07
          +4
          Quote: URAL72
          It was more serious than the fortifications of Karabakh. But a month later, Paris was already passed.

          Do Azerbaijanis or Turks have their own fast Heinz Guderian? Will they be bypassed through Georgia?
          1. URAL72
            URAL72 8 October 2020 11: 30
            -4
            Does Artsakh have a Maginot Line? Maybe the Wehrmacht had helicopters, TOS systems, Smerch, demining vehicles? There was not even superiority either in the air or on the ground.
            1. Insurgent
              Insurgent 8 October 2020 11: 48
              +5
              Quote: URAL72
              Does Artsakh have a Maginot Line?

              It is enough that the French had Maginot, and the Germans clearly showed how to turn it off without much effort, bypassing it from the flank ...
              1. URAL72
                URAL72 8 October 2020 11: 50
                +1
                Here I am actually about the same, already 4 times.
                1. Insurgent
                  Insurgent 8 October 2020 11: 54
                  +4
                  Quote: URAL72
                  Here I am actually about the same, already 4 times.

                  No, it is cited here, of course, as an argument that Azerbaijan does not have detours on the flanks, but you can choose your own for each "lock" (fortified area) "key / lock pick"

                  Perhaps not immediately, over time ... And here again the question of time and resources arises.
        3. Scoun
          Scoun 8 October 2020 11: 18
          +1
          Quote: URAL72
          Let's remember the French army and the Maginot Line? It was more serious than the fortifications of Karabakh. But a month later, Paris was already passed. Any lines of defense can be broken through, the time of fortresses has passed.

          A donkey laden with gold can do things.
      2. Dodikson
        Dodikson 8 October 2020 11: 01
        +2
        and what defenses have they built in 30 years?
        dug holes for technology? or built a couple of basements with abrasions?
        everything that the Armenians had on the video for military objects is really difficult to count.
        Damn, I haven't even seen camouflage nets. the technique is undisguised and not disguised. as if posing specially for the UAV.
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 8 October 2020 11: 43
          +2
          There is already everything for the UAV posing This is how Azerbaijan "retreats"
          1. ashot1973
            ashot1973 8 October 2020 21: 59
            0
            This is how Azerbaijan "retreats"
            - no! This is how Azerbaijan inflicts missile and bomb strikes on the settlements of Artsakh (NKR).
        2. Victorio
          Victorio 8 October 2020 12: 12
          +1
          Quote: Dodikson
          and what defenses have they built in 30 years?

          ===
          the Armenians have this, once again and will not lift a finger. but here you have to bite into the ground (including rocky) not by one meter. in the meantime, they dug holes, put tires, surrounded by stones
      3. genisis
        genisis 8 October 2020 13: 27
        +2
        It must be admitted that the Azerbaijani army has real successes, in ten days they will advance so much in the direction where they have been building defense for 30 years. This is a success.

        North

        South

        There are no other promotions.
        Are you sure you understand the meaning of the word “success” correctly?
        1. Buka001
          Buka001 8 October 2020 13: 45
          -1
          18 + 4 = 24 divided by 7 days, we get 3.4 km of advance per day in depth in such a difficult and fortified area, prepared for defense for years. Do you yourself understand the meaning of this word?
          1. genisis
            genisis 8 October 2020 14: 02
            +3
            Azerbaijan started the operation on September 27, today on October 8. Either you have a calendar of your own, or you deliberately decided to throw out 4 days out of 11 days.
            Judging by what you have
            18 + = 4 24

            You have no problems with math.

            In fact, how do you calculate, although this is complete nonsense, but okay:
            18 + 4 = 22 divided by 11 days, we get 2 km. advancement a day. Moreover, in the south, there is a bare steppe. There is no difficult terrain there. And most importantly, this is still only the foothills, the first line of defense. Then I would have to climb up into the mountains. There is really difficult terrain and long-term fortification there.
            Therefore, to lose 2 battalions of soldiers and a bunch of equipment for the sake of such an advance.
            Well, given your math knowledge, it's not surprising to understand the word "success" like that.
  • Pavel57
    Pavel57 8 October 2020 10: 28
    -2
    Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
    Why are only Armenian fanfares thundering on VO? What kind of bias? Where are the victorious reports of the Azerbaijanis? There, too, probably, the counter of the destroyed, broken and put to flight is already smoking.

    The losses are comparable on both sides.
  • Nagaibak
    Nagaibak 8 October 2020 10: 33
    +7
    "The enemy fled from the approaches to Jabrayil with the entire composition of the battalion.
    Earlier, a similar statement about the "flight of the enemy" was made by the Ministry of Defense of the Republic of Azerbaijan. "
    And everyone is running, running, running, running .... Valery Leontiev.
  • the finish
    the finish 8 October 2020 10: 43
    +8
    In fact, for 10 days of hostilities, Azerbaijan took only the rebuilt village of Talish for 180 residents and several destroyed former villages of the Jebrail region. Matagiz, Jebrail, Fuzuli were not taken. They would not have applied to expose evidence since stickers with their own symbols are glued to each shed.
    1. serzh.kost
      serzh.kost 8 October 2020 10: 56
      +1
      in Madagiz, the Azerbaijanis hung up the flag and retreated to avoid losses, as they are heavily shot by artillery.
      but the Azerbaijani side announced the occupation of Jabrayil yesterday evening, providing photographs. the situation in the southeast of NK is very serious.
      1. the finish
        the finish 8 October 2020 11: 12
        +4
        Photo from Jebrail himself is not provided, only from villages.
  • Fon elia
    Fon elia 8 October 2020 10: 48
    +2
    War is always grief for all sides. Both sides are to blame for fueling this war. Someone has a stronger army, someone weaker. There is a massacre for a piece of land. Deadlock situation.
    But yesterday Putin made clear the boundaries of what is permitted for the parties. In principle, he gave Azerbaijan the go-ahead to solve this problem on its territory.
    1. Buka001
      Buka001 8 October 2020 11: 17
      -2
      The aggressors are to blame, first of all, that the claims to this piece of Azerbaijani land caused the collapse of our homeland, the USSR !!! They cannot be forgiven for this !!! Secondly, if they do not want slaughter and victims, they can adequately retreat to Armenia from the 7 occupied regions and sit down for negotiations on the status of Karabakh. The most reasonable option IMHO. Personally, I do not understand the stubbornness of the Armenians in this. They scream about the aggression of Azerbaijan and Karabakh, and die in seven occupied regions. Who can explain this position ...
      1. Vsepomni
        Vsepomni 8 October 2020 21: 14
        +1
        They have cockroaches in their heads. Nobody understood them.
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  • Guards turn
    Guards turn 8 October 2020 10: 56
    +3
    The most reasonable decision is to leave Nagorno-Karabakh alone, no one there will give anything and is not going to give it back. Those leaders who do not understand this need to be convincingly explained that if some areas are transferred, then this war will drag on for decades and peace in that region will not be seen at all.
  • iouris
    iouris 8 October 2020 11: 03
    0
    The flight of an entire battalion of propagandists in the information space.
    Waking up! Have fought, let others fight now!
  • rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 8 October 2020 11: 08
    +3
    Judging by the reports, it turns out that everyone is running and in different directions. Some are already running to Baku, others to Yerevan. Then why is the war going on? It can still moderate the warlike ardor, incl. informational and start negotiating?
  • APASUS
    APASUS 8 October 2020 11: 09
    +4
    No faith in anyone. Until they publish maps of the boundaries of the location of troops
  • Yalquzaq
    Yalquzaq 8 October 2020 11: 12
    -9
    the Armenian army has such a strong spirit that it doesn't even need tanks.
    captured Armenian tanks, a broken column of Armenian troops.
  • Gunther
    Gunther 8 October 2020 11: 13
    +5
    Quote: Aaron Zawi
    So the Azerbaijanis are retreating, and why are the tanks abandoned by the Armenian soldiers.

    this is a national flavor, tovarisch
    tp "unity and struggle of opposites")))
    and tanks, tanks are moving too slowly, so they were abandoned.
    the tankers are already in Baku, soon we will hear about their exploits from the pilot's wife, or personally from Nikol Pashinyan.
  • jovanni
    jovanni 8 October 2020 11: 14
    +3
    The enemy fled from the approaches to Jabrayil with the entire composition of the battalion.

    In my unenlightened opinion, the battalion "with its entire composition" can retreat, but usually the crowd is already running, and not the military unit ...
  • yehat2
    yehat2 8 October 2020 11: 34
    +2
    Quote: oleg123219307
    Since when is the pro-Turkish Syrian Islamists "rubbish"

    the interpretation of the Qur'an is different.
    not everyone agrees that the lifestyle of the Islamists corresponds to what is written in the Koran.
    that's why they can be considered trash
  • Dmitry Makarov
    Dmitry Makarov 8 October 2020 12: 17
    -2
    Infa is spreading among the Armenians that the lands of Karabakh were sold long ago by Pashinyan, and the Armenians are only allowed to be recycled, which is not far from the truth. Panic and confusion reigns.
  • Victorm
    Victorm 8 October 2020 12: 20
    -2
    Quote: Insurgent
    The Ministry of Defense of Armenia announced two shot down UAVs and the flight of the enemy "with the entire composition of the battalion"

    This is what, a real letter to a grief-stricken wife, or an element of information war in the style - "I myself am the wife / daughter of an officer ..."[/ i]
    Hayev storytellers in their own way ... laughing laughing laughing
    (I will clarify - the hayevs from the word hai are Armenian, that is, Armenian, although I think the same as you think laughing )
    About the next whistle-blowing of the Khachiks and their servants from among the Russians was not even interesting, but it was sincerely both a pity and fun to follow Yuri Podolyak. So I understand his last phrases, when he said about the lack of trust in the future to the messages of the heroic Ministry of Defense Hayestan, he meant himself more. In short, an intelligent person, and he also fell for Hayeva's fairy tales.

    Below I took the trouble to post the materials of the Armenian blogger to which he referred:
    Tigran kocharyan

    Part one.

    I will not be silent anymore!

    I was silent for a long time, gave Pashinyan time to resolve the issue, as he promised, but I can’t take it anymore. More and more acquaintances are receiving bad news from the front, and in the meantime, the official channels do not bother themselves with anything other than blatantly lying to their own population, covering Pashinyan's ass. Through his fault, Armenia at this fateful moment was left without its only ally - Russia. And what are the authorities doing to get her back? Nothing. They spread information and rumors that allegedly the Russian military is already in Stepanakert, came to the rescue. I asked several people if this is a blatant lie. Russia is neutral, thank Pashinyan. I am ashamed when my friend Gog, who is now fighting in the south of Karabakh, complains that they do not have enough cars to evacuate the wounded. These are the wounded who heroically withstood the pressure of the Azerbaijani colossus, the main blow was precisely in the southern direction. Armenia was not ready for this. And now Armenia has simply surrendered the southern front, you know? They sent groups of Arab and Tigran Mets to the northern sector, where the military says they were useless, they became targets for enemy artillery attacks. These groups, like the Ijevans, were needed in the south !!!

    Naturally, this so-called help, they are called free composition, they scattered due to heavy artillery fire. As a result, we lost both the north and south of Karabakh. Pashinyan speaks later and says we will fight to the end. Personally, I see a bad ending if he is going to fight like this. Why did he order to strike at Ganja from the territory of Armenia? I do not urge you to be afraid of the consequences, we are ready to share the fate of Stepanakert residents if necessary, we are no better than them, but there must be a limit to human stupidity. It's time for us to come to our senses, with such a leader as Nikol, nothing shines for us, bad news from the front, the number of deaths will be more and more.

    Link: http://pigh.tv/?p=16

    Tigran kocharyan

    Part two.

    I will not be silent anymore!

    Those who know me will not let them lie, they will not intimidate me, and I always say what I think is necessary. It is during this period in my country's history that I will continue to speak the truth. Right now, I am doing this at least for the sake of those officers of the Armenian Police who died yesterday when a shell hit a building in Shushi, where they took part in some kind of meeting. Ara, what a meeting in the city where the bombing is going on! I appeal to the Chief of Police of Armenia, Sargsyan, do you realize that you are responsible for the death of these policemen in Shushi? What will you tell their families? They did not even have time to take part in the battles, experienced guys, all died at once, the corpses could not be identified, miraculously, only 7 people survived - those who went outside to smoke.

    If your government has set a goal to kill all real patriots with the hands of the Turkish-Azerbaijani alliance, then you say so. I want the authorities to answer why they punish unit commanders for failures in the southern direction? What are the commanders to blame? And I will tell you what, they are Karabakh people, they are war heroes! And the authorities are afraid of heroes, experienced security officials, they need obedient pawns like Argishti and Armen, who will carry out their order and persecute former presidents and the opposition.

    Link: http://pigh.tv/?p=33

    Well, now for the real news:

    Fizuli direction. Trophies from the liberated Horadiz.


    Yesterday's trophies. The last minutes also impressed me.


    Tonight. Strikes at the Headquarters and the ammunition depot of one of the military units of the Armenian Armed Forces deployed in the occupied territories of Azerbaijan.
    1. Ulrih
      Ulrih 8 October 2020 12: 46
      +2
      The front collapsed here and there, the Armenians flee and so on. I wonder why then Azerbaijanis are still at the border? In the second week the Germans were already at Smolensk and Kiev ...
  • Victorm
    Victorm 8 October 2020 12: 39
    -4
    Quote: Insurgent
    Quote: Ulrih
    Hello .... All videos of "liberated" villages, captured equipment, etc. Azeris are also published.




    Link - https://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/6228123.html ("We are Azerbaijani soldiers") on an Armenian parody of a low-standard propaganda video from the Azerbaijani army (VIDEO)

    Indelicate question laughing
    Garbage bullshit do not argue about the level of those who cooked this video a couple of years ago. However, the question is, what relation did this video have to do with the Ministry of Defense of Azerbaijan or the official authorities of the Republic of Azerbaijan? Unfortunately, information is submitted rarely, but reliable, everything is supported by video and photo fixation. While the Hayev storytellers are already lying to the point of impossibility.

    Failing to do anything, and once again refusing to receive the bodies of their killed through Georgia, at the same time they again rattled about the "temporary stoppage of the fire" in order to collect and exchange the bodies of the dead. What is the problem? After all, the Armenians are given all the bream, there is no place to store them, it is necessary to free up capacities for the next ones, but Pashinyan and the heroic Ministry of Defense of Armenia over and over again refuse the bodies of their dead, but they sing about the ceasefire as if they were established ... will save, or do they hope that by playing what provocation they will be able to preserve the ceasefire regime for a long time? ...
    Of the high-end options, for example, it only comes to my mind, well, for example, the murder of representatives of the Red Cross and the crescent, Azerbaijan will really stick for the period necessary for the investigation. Well, or something along these lines, you can expect everything from the Natsiks.
  • Victorm
    Victorm 8 October 2020 13: 22
    0
    Quote: Ulrih
    The front collapsed here and there, the Armenians flee and so on. I wonder why then Azerbaijanis are still at the border? In the second week the Germans were already at Smolensk and Kiev ...
    There is no need to compare our army with a fascist horde - pliz. And generally draw any analogies.
    There is a war going on akin to the one that the Russian Federation waged in Chechnya and Dagestan. From here and dance. And our side cannot but take into account the Russian experience, it was analyzed, conclusions were drawn.
    How many Chechen forces were there? Are they comparable to the Armenian occupation group of troops? What was the size of the Russian army and the balance of power? In total, how long did it take to regain control over their territory where scum of all stripes raged? ...
    Think and compare. Taking into account the fact that the Armenians continue to mobilize and transfer reserves, we have a practical equal enemy in terms of numbers and weapons, besides being in more advantageous positions and defending, and we are advancing.
    Relatively rapid progress was only where there was space, and beyond the mountains. You can still go along the border with Iran in the south, but until our troops pass further beyond Jebrail, this cannot be done, otherwise you can be surrounded.
    In addition, I repeat, Azerbaijan has carried out only partial mobilization, Armenia is carrying out a general one, and anyway it is increasing the number of its occupation group. So we also need to expand the parts, do the aliasing, etc. So far, part of the reserve has only strengthened the advancing units and replaced losses.

    There were rains in the northern direction, but now they seem to promise good weather and significant warming - as it dries up, it will go.
    On the Fizuli and Jabrail directions, they are advancing slowly. We will talk about how success will be developed in Jebrail.

    We do not need to rush to the eleventh anniversary of the October Revolution, the leader's birthday, etc., according to the principle of "still giving birth to my mother". It is necessary to methodically and systematically destroy enemy units, which is being done.
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  • Victorm
    Victorm 8 October 2020 16: 19
    +2
    Quote: Ulrih
    Quote: VictorM
    ] No need to compare our army with a fascist horde - pliz. And generally draw any analogies.
    ... and not these 5-20 miserable km in 2 weeks.
    -----------------------
    And what is the attitude to the statements of Azerbaijan regarding the flight of the Armenian army?

    Firstly, this is my land and every inch of it is worth its weight in gold to me.
    Secondly, remember about "it was smooth on paper, but they forgot about the ravines"? In terms of, that is, on the map near the mountain of strategists, the same Everest, how many kilometers in a straight line drawn through the top, from the foot, for example, in the south to the north? laughing And if we launch you and not at all in plan, how many km will it turn out? And in general, will you be able to overcome at least half of the way from either end is still a big question hi
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    Well, now, about the flight of the Armenian occupation army. The fact that several parts were running is a fact. Now, I repeat once again, the Armenians are building up the group. That is, having cut off one head, our army immediately gets a second in its place, Armenia's reserves in manpower have not yet ended, more and more are being brought into battle.
    And again, I repeat, a general mobilization has been announced in Armenia, literally everything is being raked out, in his appeals Pashinyan already asked, while he was asking, to appear at the mobilization points of the vaults of the demobilized in this and at the end of last year, according to the Constitution of Armenia, they can neither be mobilized, much less sent participate in hostilities. Traffic cops and policemen are rowing, the border service is there too.
    We have announced only a partial mobilization.
    So are the Armenians running or not, if in such conditions our army goes forward step by step? Certainly not the way you see fights - with a saber on the head and riding on a white horse, in a white hat, and in a red shirt laughing , but the Azerbaijani army is advancing and the Armenian is fleeing.
    In difficult terrain, some flanks and rear areas are already a task to cover, to rush forward with a saber bald and in an instant you can get hit not only in the flank, but in the rear, get surrounded. Why risk it if everything is going well for our troops? Why go for losses that are already enough?
    All there is normal - "hurry slowly", all the Armenian air defense systems have not yet been finished off and they have time to deploy new ones, heavy artillery and large-caliber MLRS have not yet been completely destroyed. In such conditions, it is better to show restraint, harness for a long time like the Russians, and then calmly and quickly go.
  • SouzniK
    SouzniK 8 October 2020 17: 01
    -2
    I wonder whose production these UAVs are and whose satellite serves them and guides them to their targets?
    1. Vladimir
      Vladimir 8 October 2020 17: 06
      0
      It seems like other than Turkish others are not observed.
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  • Old26
    Old26 8 October 2020 19: 31
    0
    Quote: oleg123219307
    In the letter "tear them all up there, young and old, without mercy," I would still believe, and so ...

    This letter is from the series: "Dear mother! I am writing to you on the boot of a murdered comrade ...."
  • svoit
    svoit 8 October 2020 20: 30
    0
    Quote: venik
    Question: WHAT will outweigh: "nationalist ambitions" or is it "COMMON Sense"?

    These ambitions are well treated in separate states, it would be much better for both sides to recognize the independence of an NPO, maybe apart from the Azerbaijani elite, but it can resign. And now Azerbaijan, if it returns the territories, will again face either a war or ethnic cleansing.
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  • Alexey from Perm
    Alexey from Perm 8 October 2020 23: 47
    0
    nowhere do they lie like in war and fishing
  • Victorm
    Victorm 9 October 2020 00: 38
    -1
    Quote: svoit
    Quote: venik
    Question: WHAT will outweigh: "nationalist ambitions" or is it "COMMON Sense"?

    These ambitions are well treated in separate states, it would be much better for both sides to recognize the independence of an NPO, maybe apart from the Azerbaijani elite, but it can resign. And now Azerbaijan, if it returns the territories, will again face either a war or ethnic cleansing.

    Why, then, was not Chechnya released? ... Why did they return Crimea? - after all, everything was "divorce and maiden name", spoon-bowls, tablecloths, duvet covers and pillowcases were divided and sold ...

    There, in addition to the territory that was part of the Nagorno-Karabakh Autonomous Region (NKAO), 7 more districts that were not part of the NKAO and the Armenians did not live there, give it as "Kemsk volost"? What else to give then?
    Armenia was recognized as an occupier, UN and OSCE resolutions, and everywhere, by the way, Russia also participates, and she also dared to OBLIGED Armenia to withdraw its troops from the occupied territories. For 28 years Armenia did not scratch, with various feints of negotiations on this topic ... A quarter of the population of NKAO were Azerbaijanis, and someone asked them if they wanted to live in an INDEPENDENT NKAO, what about the rights and property of every 4 residents? Send them what is the 25% statistical error?

    And I will repeat 7 districts around NKAO there were a lot of people and not only Azerbaijanis, but also Kurds, for example. Here is a good example, by the way, for those who did not know and hung their ears under the tales of Hayevy Armenianagitprop, once again we are not Turkey. Our Kurds are quite numerous, they occupy high posts, including in the army, and now they are also participating in hostilities, like all other citizens of our small country, including Russians by the way. Nobody here ever mentioned this, and after all, Russian men and boys, many with second Russian citizenship, could just jump off, but they volunteered themselves, without waiting for mobilization, and there they say they will, or maybe not.

    I have a request, when you write something, try on your thoughts and advice for yourself, think about it, and you yourself are ready to put up with what you are proposing.
  • lvov_aleksey
    lvov_aleksey 9 October 2020 01: 59
    0
    here, as always, there is an information war, for me there are no right or wrong! I announced earlier - a referendum !!!!!!!!!!! Nobody wants green men ?????????????