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"There is nothing to fend off the threat": the Western press about the tests of the Zircon hypersonic missile

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The tests of the sea-based Zircon missile, which took place on October 6, attracted increased attention of the Western press. Launched from the frigate "Admiral Gorshkov", it, reaching a speed of over Mach 8, flew 450 km and successfully destroyed the target. Expected new weapon will enter the Navy in 2020-21.


Surprise for the birthday boy


Not every birthday person is pleased with the launch of a hypersonic cruise missile in his honor

- writes Asia Times, pointing out that the tests coincided with the birthday of the head of the Russian Federation, Vladimir Putin.

At the same time, many experts were puzzled by the personnel posted by the Ministry of Defense. Some of them believe that the video captured several launches of older missiles, such as the Onyx.

The video recording of the last test does not provide much additional clues about the appearance of the "Zircon" itself or how exactly it works.

- notes the publication The War Zone (USA), which puts forward the assumption of equipping the rocket with two engines. One of them brings it to the required speed and height, after which the second turns on.

According to the authors of the publication, "Zircon" can use the technology of "plasma stealth": the missile may be hidden from enemy radars in the surrounding cloud of radio-absorbing ionized particles.

Unanswered threat


Adding the Zircon to the arsenal of various ships and submarines could significantly increase the overall capabilities of the Russian fleet […] The missile is able to quickly hit an American warship without giving it time to react to a threat.

- indicates The War Zone.

As the French edition of La Tribune explains, missiles traveling at speeds many times the speed of sound follow a lower trajectory than conventional ballistic munitions. Moreover, their movement is much less predictable.

The development of hypersonic weapons is a key element of competition between Russia, the United States and China, as there is currently no protection against this type of weapon

- notes Business Insider, pointing out that the current missile defense is not able to fend off the threats posed by the RF hypersonic weapons.

At the same time, some foreign readers were very skeptical about the test personnel:

Standard Russian weapons programs: fantastic statements, minimum tests and evidence, in any case, no money for practical use

- says one of the American users who got acquainted with the combat testing footage.

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  1. certero
    certero 8 October 2020 10: 00
    48
    Rusty bombs and airplanes. I remember how they wrote this before Syria.
    I am sure that the Western military understood the video correctly
    1. Bashkirkhan
      Bashkirkhan 8 October 2020 10: 02
      -34 qualifying.
      Well, the bombs are really rusty. Syria, Su-34. FAB-1500 M-46. The bomb in the photo was released before 1954, judging by the markings.

      1. Zoldat_A
        Zoldat_A 8 October 2020 10: 07
        80
        Quote: Bashkirkhan
        Well, the bombs are really rusty.

        And the barmaleevs are gouged like new. Strange ...
        1. Lipchanin
          Lipchanin 8 October 2020 10: 13
          16
          Quote: Zoldat_A
          And the barmaleevs are gouged like new.

          And so it doesn't matter what kind of bomb sent them to hell
        2. Temples
          Temples 8 October 2020 10: 20
          29
          no money for practical use anyway

          an American like Gref with Kudrin translates everything into loot.

          For the practical use of weapons, you need not money, you need will.


          There will be an order - the rocket will go to the target. good
          You won't have to pay extra for launching a rocket. wink laughing
          1. Zoldat_A
            Zoldat_A 8 October 2020 10: 26
            +7
            Quote: Temples
            For the practical use of weapons, you don't need money, will.

            And the mind.
        3. venik
          venik 8 October 2020 14: 33
          +4
          Quote: Zoldat_A
          And the barmaleevs are gouged like new. Strange ...

          ========
          sad "They took it off the tongue!" drinks It remains only add: But somehow they fall amazingly accurate! ...... And at the same time pretty well explode..... And what kind of splinter to get into the "pot": rusty or fresh - this is absolutely NO DIFFERENCE (to that - "WHO gets")! soldier
          1. Zoldat_A
            Zoldat_A 8 October 2020 15: 18
            +6
            drinks
            Quote: venik
            It only remains to add: But for some reason they fall surprisingly accurately! ... And at the same time they explode quite decently ...

            Out of habit. An old good habit is to go wherever you throw it and explode when you need it.
            As my father used to say: "We were taught this way ..." soldier With an emphasis on the word SO.
            1. venik
              venik 8 October 2020 16: 00
              +4
              Quote: Zoldat_A
              As my father used to say: "We were taught THAT ..." soldier With an emphasis on the word SO.

              =======
              By the way - GOOD good taught !!! drinks
              1. Zoldat_A
                Zoldat_A 8 October 2020 19: 57
                +4
                Quote: venik
                Quote: Zoldat_A
                As my father used to say: "We were taught THAT ..." soldier With an emphasis on the word SO.

                =======
                By the way - GOOD good taught !!! drinks

                drinks We still live because we have not forgotten what, how and who taught.
          2. Bashkirkhan
            Bashkirkhan 8 October 2020 16: 39
            12
            Quote: venik
            And what kind of splinter to get into the "pot": rusty or fresh - this is absolutely NO DIFFERENCE (to that - "WHO gets it")!

            A splinter from a rusty bomb can cause tetanus, the use of such a weapon is inhuman crying
            1. venik
              venik 8 October 2020 16: 47
              +4
              Quote: Bashkirkhan
              A splinter from a rusty bomb can cause tetanus, the use of such a weapon is inhuman

              ========
              good I think that if he gets into the "bowler hat" (not the one from which "the food is taken", but the one on which the "helmet is worn") ..... It will be "tetanus" or not ..... It will be no difference! No.
              1. Bashkirkhan
                Bashkirkhan 8 October 2020 16: 50
                +1
                And if in other parts of the body that do not have vital organs. Here at least they will write to the Hague Tribunal fellow
                1. venik
                  venik 8 October 2020 18: 09
                  +5
                  Quote: Bashkirkhan
                  And if in other parts of the body that do not have vital organs. Here at least they will write to the Hague Tribunal fellow

                  ========
                  Jokes - jokes ... But somehow (it was a long time ago!), We were steaming with the guys (work colleagues) in the bathhouse, and one of our comrades (I will not name the name!) Is all in a towel (wrapped around his hips) sat. Somehow he turned unsuccessfully and the towel fell to the floor. While he grabbed him, while he turned back - we gasped! In his "softest place" (I forgot how it is called in Latin) not just a scar, but a trace of a torn a piece of meat the size of a half fist! Someone asked: "Where did you get on SO? Did you sit on a mine?" .... He was embarrassed ... even blushed (though he was an adult man) .... Then, after the bath, over a "glass of beer "we got into conversation .... He admitted that he got to Afghan, served for approx. months and in the very first battle (smoked "spirits") - behind the F-1 exploded ...... Complained: Here bad luck! How much effort did he spend to record the "wound in the thigh", and not "in the lago ..." .... Well, there were men among us who passed the "hot spots" - they immediately objected: "You are still very LUCKY! above - the right kidney, with the adrenal gland would have vomited "by the roots"! Even if they had saved (which is unlikely ") - for life disabled would stay!
                  Such are the things!
                  1. Zoldat_A
                    Zoldat_A 8 October 2020 20: 06
                    +6
                    Quote: venik
                    You are still very LUCKY! A few centimeters higher -

                    We alone had a small splinter on the inner surface of the right thigh from the front horizontally backward 5-7 centimeters below ... well, in general, the bottom point of the fly. He almost danced with joy - blood gushes from his cut thigh, and he sits laughing. Lucky too ...
        4. NEXUS
          NEXUS 8 October 2020 20: 33
          +2
          Quote: Zoldat_A
          And the barmaleevs are gouged like new. Strange ...

          How is Trofim about rusty torpedoes?))
        5. K298rtm
          K298rtm 8 October 2020 23: 24
          +2
          Nothing strange. In order for the old (rusty) bomb to hit the right place, you just need to bring the bomb carrier to the desired point in space (and this is already a task for modern avionics).
      2. jovanni
        jovanni 8 October 2020 10: 09
        37
        Quote: Bashkirkhan
        Well, the bombs are really rusty.

        Right now, in hell, bearded bandyugans are arguing about who was torn apart by a rusty bomb, and who was lucky to get under a new one ...
        1. Pereira
          Pereira 8 October 2020 10: 11
          +5
          Which of them envies whom?
          1. jovanni
            jovanni 8 October 2020 10: 14
            +6
            Which of them envies whom?

            Fortunately, you and I will never know. I hope ...
        2. Captain45
          Captain45 8 October 2020 10: 32
          +7
          Quote: Jovanni
          Right now, in hell, bearded bandyugans are arguing about who was torn apart by a rusty bomb, and who was lucky to get under a new one ...

          Mahmoud Ahmed in front of the doors to the paradise seraglio: Get out of here, you were killed with an old bomb, and I was killed with a new one, so I go to the houris, and you go to the shaitan! laughing
      3. nnm
        nnm 8 October 2020 10: 11
        15
        So if it fits the purpose of the application at the lowest cost, why not?
        1. Lipchanin
          Lipchanin 8 October 2020 10: 17
          +6
          Quote: nnm
          So if it fits the purpose of the application at the lowest cost, why not?

          Where do you need to put them
          1. Zoldat_A
            Zoldat_A 8 October 2020 10: 28
            10
            Quote: Lipchanin
            Quote: nnm
            So if it fits the purpose of the application at the lowest cost, why not?

            Where do you need to put them

            The Americans themselves boasted of how much junk they had disposed of in Iraq. For your own benefit, mind you, instead of spending money on disposal at the storage location.
            1. Lipchanin
              Lipchanin 8 October 2020 10: 31
              +2
              Quote: Zoldat_A
              instead of spending money on disposal at the storage location.

              I remember General Lebed telling how many different things are in the warehouses in Transnistria.
              And it still lies. And protection requires
              1. Zoldat_A
                Zoldat_A 8 October 2020 10: 49
                +1
                Quote: Lipchanin
                I remember General Lebed telling how many different things are in the warehouses in Transnistria.

                General Rokhlin was killed physically, his wife morally only for the fact that there was nothing in Germany in warehouses. "Pasha-Mercedes" tried. For cash. Now in hell he tells scary stories about the peculiarities of storage of small arms.
                1. askort154
                  askort154 8 October 2020 12: 19
                  +5
                  Zoldat_A .....General Rokhlin was killed physically, his wife morally only for the fact that there was nothing in Germany in warehouses. "Pasha-Mercedes" tried. For cash.

                  There is another version, more real. Rokhlin headed the "defense department" in the Duma, and was in opposition to the existing government, which was killing the army. He organized the "Union of Officers" in order to defend the interests of the army. Rokhlin had a high prestige, not only in the army. Yeltsin openly expressed his dissatisfaction with the "behavior of the deputy general."
                  The top officials began to fear a military coup. Rokhlin was preparing the first congress of the "Union of Officers" for the second half of July. And on the night of July 2 to 3, he was found dead at his dacha. The "investigation" accused Rokhlin and his wife of the murder, making her "insane". hi
                  1. Zoldat_A
                    Zoldat_A 8 October 2020 12: 55
                    +6
                    Quote: askort154
                    The "investigation" accused Rokhlin and his wife of the murder, making her "insane".

                    My mother, although she is an officer's wife all her life, is somehow not very good with a weapon ... Well, from 10 meters into a pumpkin she will miss 5 meters ...
                    Hunting weapons have always been in the house - and not only. There are also several paternal awards. So after the murder of Rokhlin, the father asked his mother, could she shoot him in a fit of jealousy with one shot in the head? Mom, knowing her shooting "abilities", honestly answered that in a fit of jealousy she would have released the entire clip where God had sent.

                    One shot to the head is not a shot from a jealous wife. Yes, and at the investigation-trial she was shown - I kept thinking that she needed a special house, not in prison, where Napoleons were kept. Obviously something was ripped off (I remembered Belmondo in "The Professional" - "Yes, Mr. Prosecutor ..."). And a completely normal and adequate aunt came out to freedom - because she already understood everything and became not dangerous to anyone.

                    About the versions. It was no secret to anyone that Rokhlin was seeking financial and logistical expertise for the conclusion of the GSVG. And "Yeltsin's falcon" (not because he flew, but because he took off overnight and very high, licking what was needed and who needed it in time) "Pasha-Mercedes" did not need such a check from the word "absolutely". Otherwise all and sundry would start to open their mouths ... The generals, of course, would be silent, but the platoon and company commanders could tell a lot ... And Pasha-Mercedes, of course, has no hope for them - it drowned would Pasha, along with his "half of the football field" on his head ...

                    And about "a coup - that is Yeltsin's paranoia. As soon as such a person gets to power, the conspiracy appears around every corner - he himself knows his sins - what he destroyed, what he sold, what he gave to plunder, whom he deceived, whom he robbed ...
                    1. Sergej1972
                      Sergej1972 8 October 2020 13: 06
                      +1
                      Rokhlin was shot dead in the summer of 1998. And Grachev ceased to be the Minister of Defense and left Yeltsin's trust in the summer of 1996.
                      Several years ago I read an interview with one of the people who called themselves Rokhlin's associate, and who said that a coup was really being prepared. True, there is no particular confidence in the words of this "comrade-in-arms", because the interview testified to his rather low intellectual abilities. It is unlikely that Rokhlin would have kept stupid people next to him.
                      1. Zoldat_A
                        Zoldat_A 8 October 2020 15: 13
                        0
                        Quote: Sergej1972
                        Rokhlin was shot dead in the summer of 1998. And Grachev ceased to be the Minister of Defense and left Yeltsin's trust in the summer of 1996.

                        Rokhlin's investigation into the GSVG would not have affected the 98th or even the 96th year. Namely, that period of "activity" of "Pasha-Mercedes", for which he received his sonorous klikuha. So whether he was a minister or not at the moment is not particularly important. If Yeltsin's left leg would have liked - and without proof, Pasha would have gone to cut down the forest. Wouldn't want to - and proof wouldn't have helped drown him.

                        And about the conspiracy, I said above - Yeltsin's personal drama. His own paranoia. And he did not interfere with those who really had the strength to knock him off, calmly plunder the country. No wonder they put him on the throne in 96.
      4. Lipchanin
        Lipchanin 8 October 2020 10: 12
        +3
        Quote: Bashkirkhan
        Well, the bombs are really rusty.

        But they explode and destroy no worse than new ones
      5. Kurare
        Kurare 8 October 2020 10: 14
        14
        Quote: Bashkirkhan
        The bomb in the photo was released before 1954, judging by the markings.

        Of course, they could shaman, tint for a photo shoot. wink But why? Great recycling turned out! Instead of deactivating at exorbitant prices by a special company, let it be better on the head bang bang - they are no strangers.
        1. Zoldat_A
          Zoldat_A 8 October 2020 10: 30
          +3
          Quote: Kurare
          Quote: Bashkirkhan
          The bomb in the photo was released before 1954, judging by the markings.

          Of course, they could shaman, tint for a photo shoot. wink But why? Great recycling turned out! Instead of deactivating at exorbitant prices by a special company, let it be better on the head bang bang - they are no strangers.

          I said a little above that the American experience in Iraq in this regard is extremely positive. They themselves boasted to the whole world of their innate enterprise.
      6. LifeIsGood
        LifeIsGood 8 October 2020 10: 25
        +9
        Well, don't publish that Photoshop ... Here you can even see it with the naked eye.
      7. URAL72
        URAL72 8 October 2020 10: 33
        +9
        Believe me, in Donbass we received rusty cartridges. I cleaned it out so that I could enter the chamber, and go ahead! So it's okay, don't throw it away. At the same time, recycling.
      8. FIR FIR
        FIR FIR 8 October 2020 10: 39
        +4
        The bomb in the photo was released before 1954, judging by the markings.

        Do you think that 65-year-old aerial bombs are used on modern fighter-bombers?
        1. Bashkirkhan
          Bashkirkhan 8 October 2020 10: 42
          +7
          The number "three" on the body of the FAB-1500 M-46 denotes the ballistic group of the bombs; such markings were no longer applied in 1954. And what prevents it from being used on the Su-34?
          1. FIR FIR
            FIR FIR 8 October 2020 10: 48
            +1
            And isn't it dangerous? The ammunition is seven decades old ... How long can it be stored in combat readiness? This is almost a WWII ammunition ... request
            1. Bashkirkhan
              Bashkirkhan 8 October 2020 10: 56
              +2
              Nevertheless, this ammunition is still relevant and is used.
            2. bootlegger
              bootlegger 10 October 2020 01: 28
              0
              The design is simple. A pipe, two cones and a stabilizer welded at the back
              Inside some sort of TG 60, but here I'm not sure, the design is 46 years old.
              Nothing will happen to the explosives, and the fuses are probably fresher. Most likely, their later versions were unified so that they would fit the old ammunition models.
      9. Alex777
        Alex777 8 October 2020 10: 53
        +2
        Syria, Su-34. FAB-1500 M-46.

        Why is there an English inscription on the plane?
        1. Bashkirkhan
          Bashkirkhan 8 October 2020 10: 55
          +2
          This is Su-34, fighterbomber is a watermark of a group on a social network.
          1. Alex777
            Alex777 8 October 2020 10: 56
            +1
            If you don't know, you won't guess ...
      10. carstorm 11
        carstorm 11 8 October 2020 11: 22
        +4
        disposal of such ammunition is more expensive than its intended use. I would rather be surprised that this is not done when there is such a great opportunity. in whatever year it was released
      11. tralflot1832
        tralflot1832 8 October 2020 11: 31
        0
        Probably the Hephaestus sighting complex has an option, high-precision bombardment with rusty bombs? good
      12. Grits
        Grits 8 October 2020 12: 23
        +5
        Quote: Bashkirkhan
        Well, the bombs are really rusty. Syria, Su-34. FAB-1500 M-46. The bomb in the photo was released before 1954, judging by the markings.

        For bearded slippers, that's it. To spoil a beautiful and shiny new bomb on them, the toad crushes. We will save them for the nobler gentlemen.
      13. Zhan
        Zhan 8 October 2020 16: 37
        +2
        Quote: Bashkirkhan
        Well, the bombs are really rusty. Syria, Su-34. FAB-1500 M-46. The bomb in the photo was released before 1954, judging by the markings.

        Let them say thank you that it is not rubber .. laughing Otherwise, they would have jumped more to this day .. smile
      14. Boris ⁣ Shaver
        Boris ⁣ Shaver 9 October 2020 01: 34
        -1
        Quote: Bashkirkhan
        Well, the bombs are really rusty. Syria, Su-34. FAB-1500 M-46. The bomb in the photo was released before 1954, judging by the markings.

        So why keep it any longer?
    2. nnm
      nnm 8 October 2020 10: 10
      +9
      I think they got it right back in 2014, when they suddenly remembered Gerasimov's article in 2013, and now high-tech weapons are being added, which Gerasimov warned them about back in 2016.
      For some reason, conventional opponents still believe that Russia can act not only in a high-tech, non-linear manner, often ahead of world experience, not only in technology, but also in operational art, strategy, and only run around in sandals with an AK-47.
      Although, in principle, the fact that we are underestimated can be in our hands. But on the other hand, underestimation can also provoke enemies to more active actions.
      1. Zoldat_A
        Zoldat_A 8 October 2020 10: 40
        +8
        Quote: nnm
        just run around in bast shoes with AK-47

        I won't say about bast shoes - now bast shoes in the form of souvenirs (although they are quite "working" - I asked) are four times more expensive than ankle boots.
        And about the AK-74 ... Not with him, of course, with the AKMS, I ran so much that I can say to any "conditional enemy" - God forbid you to see live how we run along your land with Kalash... Over there, in 45, did you see how they "ran" with the PPSh? It's a pity that the memory is short - forgotten ...

        Quote: nnm
        the fact that we are underestimated may be in our hands

        [Sun Tzu, 2600 years ago.
        War is a way of deception. Therefore, even if you are capable, show your opponent your inability.
        1. nnm
          nnm 8 October 2020 10: 43
          +2
          Quote: Zoldat_A
          God forbid you to see live how we run along your land with Kalash

          I also ran a lot with something, but for me, anyway, the AK-47 is just love forever.
    3. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin 8 October 2020 10: 11
      0
      Quote: certero
      I am sure that the Western military understood the video correctly

      Therefore, they are silent
    4. Mountain shooter
      Mountain shooter 8 October 2020 12: 10
      +6
      Quote: certero
      Rusty bombs and planes

      What is left for them? I fell behind, and I can't catch up - accuse the opponent of foul play, well, there, doping, "Newbie", the wrong shape of the skull ... The main thing is to be sure inside yourself that you are the winner ... And if someone is ahead, it is not fair play ...
    5. Tusv
      Tusv 8 October 2020 12: 40
      0
      Quote: certero
      I am sure that the Western military understood the video correctly

      Yeah, and they said that they need to write ships
    6. Russobel
      Russobel 9 October 2020 07: 05
      0
      Rusty bombs and airplanes.

      I agree. And now the same thing is repeated. They bite their elbows out of desperation.
      To catch up it is necessary oh how to try.
      no money for practical use anyway

      And here you gentlemen bourgeois are wrong. Back in the days of the USSR, there was a joke that we were half-starved, half-dressed but well-armed.
      So we will have pistols too!
    7. demon
      demon 9 October 2020 18: 01
      -1
      "There is nothing to fend off the threat"
      - studio "Disney" does not suit "Soyuz Cartoon". Obviously
  2. Roman070280
    Roman070280 8 October 2020 10: 03
    -8
    Not every birthday person is pleased with the launch of a hypersonic cruise missile in his honor


    Heh .. it turns out that I was not the only one who had such a thought yesterday ..))
  3. Mezabralis
    Mezabralis 8 October 2020 10: 03
    -26 qualifying.
    [quote] Standard Russian weapons programs: fantastic statements, a minimum of tests and evidence, in any case there is no money for practical use [quote]
    I completely agree, let's remember at least Armat, how many years has she been at parades and how many cars are in the army? Just facts ...
    1. Machito
      Machito 8 October 2020 10: 13
      13
      [quote = Mezabralis] [quote] Standard Russian weapons programs: fantastic statements, a minimum of tests and evidence, in any case there is no money for practical use [quote]
      I completely agree, let's remember at least Armat, how many years has she been at parades and how many cars are in the army? Just facts ... [/ quote]
      Aroma and Zircon are slightly different weapons. The scent is more of a prototype for developing new generation tank technologies. Russia has other types of tanks that have proven their effectiveness in Syria. So Armada Armada is not a matter of the near future. But the tests of hypersonic cruise missiles are very relevant in light of the US withdrawal from the treaty on medium and short-range missiles. Russia is ahead of the United States, and this cools the hotheads of American hawks.
      1. Roman070280
        Roman070280 8 October 2020 10: 23
        -17 qualifying.
        Aroma and Zircon are slightly different weapons.

        That's right .. Therefore, the situation with Zircon could be either better or worse ..

        The scent is more of a prototype for testing new generation tank technologies
        There is no doubt that Zircon is an even more prototype ..
        To develop new generation missile technologies.

        Russia has tanks of other types

        Russia also has other types of missiles.

        So Armada Armada is not a matter of the near future.


        That is what we are talking about .. that the armadas of Armat and Tsirkonov are not a matter of the near future ..

        But the tests of hypersonic cruise missiles are very relevant


        Well, the conversation was not about testing ..
        And about the fact that much of what has been tested and remains within the Parades on Red Square ..

        Standard Russian weapons programs: fantastic statements, minimum tests and evidence, in any case, no money for practical use
        Let's remember at least Armat, how many years has she been at parades and how many cars are in the army? Just facts ...
        1. Kart
          Kart 8 October 2020 10: 59
          +9
          Quote: Roman070280
          Well, the conversation was not about testing ..

          Yes, you always have the same conversation - to daub the country where your hands can reach.
          1. Roman070280
            Roman070280 8 October 2020 11: 04
            -11 qualifying.
            You are confusing me with someone ..))
            Reread it thoughtfully .. and if you disagree with something - refute the points .. as I did ..
            And you shouldn't whine about the country ..
        2. ZEMCH
          ZEMCH 8 October 2020 19: 24
          +2
          Quote: Roman070280
          That's right .. Therefore, the situation with Zircon could be either better or worse ..

          Worse than what? Tests continue, they will check the maximum range and confirm the rest))) They are testing not only missiles but other systems.
          Armata in the troops is tested in full, the shortcomings are eliminated)))
          Quote: Roman070280
          There is no doubt that Zircon is an even more prototype ..
          To develop new generation missile technologies.

          Answered above))) Zircon, this is not only a rocket, but first of all a complex
      2. The comment was deleted.
      3. nnm
        nnm 8 October 2020 10: 26
        +2
        Quote: Bearded
        The scent is more of a prototype for developing new generation tank technologies.

        Also, for some reason, it seems that "Armata" is nothing more than an experimental, transitional model on the way to creating unmanned systems for various purposes. And the big series is worth waiting for.
      4. Mezabralis
        Mezabralis 8 October 2020 10: 59
        -13 qualifying.
        even if there was a successful missile launch, how long does it take to complete the test?
        launch a rocket into series? How many years will it take?
        1. Bobrick
          Bobrick 8 October 2020 14: 09
          0
          Already a little bit, in hypersonic missiles, the most difficult thing has always been to get them to work.
          It took up to ten years, in the USSR or in the USA, without any guarantee of success - the problem was of a fundamental nature (one calculation of the air intake compression surfaces is already a problem, and you still need to organize combustion without stopping the flow up to 10-15 m / s for hypersound).

          Now the problems are of a purely technical nature, i.e. even if it takes 10 years, they can still outstrip the Americans with a very high probability.
      5. Mezabralis
        Mezabralis 8 October 2020 11: 06
        -23 qualifying.
        Whatever one may say, but Russia lags behind the United States in terms of technology.
        The United States did not lag behind in the development of hypersonic missiles.
        Look realistically and compare technology and manufacturing capabilities in the US and Russia.
        1. Hagen
          Hagen 8 October 2020 12: 37
          +2
          Quote: Mezabralis
          See realistically and compare technology and manufacturing capabilities in the US and Russia

          The entire US national intelligence is trying to "look realistically ...", but somehow it doesn't work out very well. And you propose to do this to members of the forum and, probably, discuss it on the VO pages? Fiction!!!
      6. nobody75
        nobody75 8 October 2020 19: 23
        0
        So it seems that "Rainbow" has been experiencing since the 80s? What does the RIAC have to do with it ???
    2. Vlad-7-7-7-7
      Vlad-7-7-7-7 9 October 2020 00: 35
      0
      [quote] Mezabralis (Andris)
      Today, 10: 03
      NEW
      Standard Russian weapons programs: fantastic statements, a minimum of tests and evidence, in any case there is no money for practical use [quote]
      I completely agree, let's remember at least Armat, how many years has she been at parades and how many cars are in the army? Just facts ...
      [/ Quote]

      Just Facts:

      Name-e Start Accept Time Input
      Approvals for arming exp

      Челенджер-2 1986 1991 1995 9 лет
      Абрамс М1 1971 1981 1981 10 лет
      Леопард-2 1965 1979 1979 14 лет
      Leclerc 1977 n / a 1992 13 years old
      K-2 (Black 1995 2014 2014 19 years old
      panther. Korea)
      Type 10 Early 2000s 2012 2012 10-12 years
      (Japan) (Roughly)
      Merkava 1970 1979 1979 9 years old
      Mk 1

      T-14 2009 2014 11 years have passed.
      Armata -2017 (graduated) (experimental) (For 2020)
      Passed
      Note: Released 20+ (2014) + 9 (2018)
      Contract for 132 units. T-14 and T-15 until the end of 2021 (In production)
  4. Roman070280
    Roman070280 8 October 2020 10: 03
    -30 qualifying.
    Standard Russian weapons programs: fantastic statements, minimum tests and evidence, in any case, no money for practical use
    And you can't argue ..
    1. Sidor Amenpodestovich
      Sidor Amenpodestovich 8 October 2020 10: 12
      +7
      Quote: Roman070280
      And you can't argue ..

      Like, "I didn't post it - I didn't have it," on Instagram, right?
      1. Roman070280
        Roman070280 8 October 2020 10: 24
        -13 qualifying.
        What are you talking about??
        Or just wanted to argue ??)
        1. Sidor Amenpodestovich
          Sidor Amenpodestovich 8 October 2020 10: 53
          +8
          There is nothing to argue about.
          For what reason do you need to prove something?
          Therefore, believe it or not, nothing will change anyway.
          1. Roman070280
            Roman070280 8 October 2020 11: 06
            -13 qualifying.
            There is nothing to argue about


            Well, that's what I wrote - you can't argue ..
            And you climbed in with some kind of Instagram .. so I had to ask - what was needed ??)
            1. Sidor Amenpodestovich
              Sidor Amenpodestovich 8 October 2020 11: 16
              +4
              Have you only read the first line of my comment?
              Perhaps it will come as a surprise to you, but my comment is three lines.
              As in this one.
  5. ANDREY MIKHAILOV_2
    ANDREY MIKHAILOV_2 8 October 2020 10: 04
    14
    Standard Russian weapons programs: fantastic statements, a minimum of tests and evidence, in any case, there is no money for practical use, What else can a Western hack write, the West is in the ass, and they have nothing to answer.
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      1. ANDREY MIKHAILOV_2
        ANDREY MIKHAILOV_2 8 October 2020 11: 24
        -2
        I think 95% of Russians would be happy to live like in the West, Foolish did not hear anything.
      2. Grits
        Grits 8 October 2020 12: 31
        11
        Quote: Mezabralis
        I think 95% of Russians would be happy to live like in the West

        You will be surprised, but I am not included in this 95%. As, incidentally, the rest of the vast majority of those present now at VO
  6. Zoldat_A
    Zoldat_A 8 October 2020 10: 04
    10
    Standard Russian weapons programs: fantastic statements, minimum tests and evidence, in any case, no money for practical use
    Here it is, they finally waited ...
    Just yesterday, my words -
    Quote: Zoldat_A
    We are waiting for the stories of the United States and their packs about the next portion of the "Kremlin cartoons". At the same time, he does not tire of listening to American enthusiasm about the fact that "in the next decade the United States will have hypersonic weapons."
    For XNUMX hours all of America THOUGHT how to react ... Well, well - we did not expect any other reaction.
    1. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin 8 October 2020 10: 15
      0
      Quote: Zoldat_A
      Here it is, they finally waited.

      Standard comment, that's all
    2. Roman070280
      Roman070280 8 October 2020 10: 29
      -21 qualifying.
      Day all America THOUGHT how to react ..

      They say that Tom Cruise and Angelina Jolie were most excited.
      And the black population is curtailing their protests, and in the morning they come out with posters demanding that they be annexed to Russia.

      Here it is, they finally waited ...

      Exactly .. now how will we live ..))
  7. certero
    certero 8 October 2020 10: 07
    18
    Quote: Bashkirkhan
    Well, the bombs are really rusty. Syria, Su-34. FAB-1500 M-46.

    There were no complaints from recipients;)
    1. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin 8 October 2020 10: 16
      +6
      Quote: certero
      Quote: Bashkirkhan
      Well, the bombs are really rusty. Syria, Su-34. FAB-1500 M-46.

      There were no complaints from recipients;)

      Return goods too laughing
  8. A. Privalov
    A. Privalov 8 October 2020 10: 10
    0
    "There is nothing to fend off the threat"

  9. bogart047
    bogart047 8 October 2020 10: 12
    +3
    interesting to see the real application
  10. the finish
    the finish 8 October 2020 10: 16
    -2
    sour grapes ...
  11. Escobar
    Escobar 8 October 2020 10: 18
    -19 qualifying.
    God be with you, how there is nothing to parry:
    1) Long-range anti-ship missiles AGM-158C LRASM with a launch range of 930 km, no one will let the ship reach the zircon launch range,
    2) Long-range torpedoes of western submarines, which, not like our Varshavyanka women, have to surface every 3 days to recharge the batteries, look for the history of how the Americans tried to look for the Swedish submarine in the exercises, and still missed
    3) mines-weapons against which we actually do not have
    4) Electronic warfare of ships of NATO countries, not only our country has such systems - 54 anti-ship missiles were released into Iowa during the "desert storm", which went into "milk"
    5) sanctions - a ban on the supply of K.L. components for the production of carriers (the story of Ukrainian turbines for our frigates is fresh)
    6) hope that our "effective managers" will screw up the launch of zircon in mass production
    1. garri-lin
      garri-lin 8 October 2020 10: 30
      +7
      Can I have a proof for 54 Iowa anti-ship missiles? It will be interesting to read.
      1. Santa Fe
        Santa Fe 9 October 2020 03: 21
        +1
        It happened in 1973
        Doomsday war

        54 anti-ship missiles in milk

        In February 91, Iowa released two anti-tank missiles, one shot down, the other did not hit
        1. garri-lin
          garri-lin 9 October 2020 07: 55
          -1
          Thank you for clarification.
    2. Alexey Sommer
      Alexey Sommer 8 October 2020 10: 39
      +6
      Quote: Eskobar
      1) Long-range anti-ship missiles AGM-158C LRASM with a launch range of 930 km, no one will let the ship reach the zircon launch range,

      1 Range unknown. Nowhere is it said that they were allowed to reach the maximum range.
      A lot of fog sounded figures from 1000 to 2000 km.
      2 A good war begins suddenly, and in peacetime, no one drowns even a sailing ship nearby. Therefore, whoever lets it go first will win, and besides, someone's missile can be shot down, and someone's is difficult.hi
      1. Escobar
        Escobar 8 October 2020 11: 19
        -11 qualifying.
        “A good war starts suddenly, and in peacetime, even a nearby sailing ship is not drowned. Therefore, whoever lets it in first will win,” that is, you can work with zircon only suddenly in the first hours of the beginning of the conflict?
        1. Nastia makarova
          Nastia makarova 8 October 2020 12: 14
          -8
          Yes exactly
        2. Alexey Sommer
          Alexey Sommer 8 October 2020 13: 17
          0
          You will not find the answer to your questions here.
          Wrong address. I described one of the scenarios to you.
          Otherwise, the whole war will be decided in the first hours.
          This is not World War II and Donbass or Syria or Karabakh ..
          The kneading will be quick and serious. 12 hours for everything by and large.
          Only you will not know about it.
    3. Grits
      Grits 8 October 2020 12: 34
      +4
      Quote: Eskobar
      Long-range anti-ship missiles AGM-158C LRASM with a launch range of 930 km, no one will let the ship reach the zircon launch range

      Yes, even with a range of 1930 km. The fact is that it gets knocked out by the ship's air defense systems. Zircon is not.
      1. Escobar
        Escobar 8 October 2020 13: 25
        -5
        As one of my appanents said - where are the proofs? Who tried to shoot down zircon with American PVO weapons and who tried to shoot down LRASM with Russian air defense weapons?
        1. Grits
          Grits 8 October 2020 14: 36
          +3
          Quote: Eskobar
          As one of my appanents said - where are the proofs? Who tried to shoot down zircon with American PVO weapons and who tried to shoot down LRASM with Russian air defense weapons?

          In order to know that the skull will split when hitting a concrete slab from a height of 10 m, it is not necessary to jump upside down from the 3rd floor. It is enough to know the characteristics of a concrete slab and a human skull.
          1. Escobar
            Escobar 8 October 2020 17: 22
            -1
            That is, you have the hardware capacity to simulate the process of movement of a hypersonic missile, the process of identifying it by the enemy's radar, aiming interceptor missiles at it with all the variables? Or are the catchy headlines of the foreign press enough for you?
          2. ZEMCH
            ZEMCH 10 October 2020 18: 51
            +1
            Before, they would have thrown off the corpse, without any calculations)))
            In mathematical modeling, there is a weak link that gives 80% of errors, and this is the person modeling. Whatever super-duper computers are used, there is a programmer and a human-made model)))
    4. Bobrick
      Bobrick 8 October 2020 14: 24
      +6
      1) And this rocket will fly at the maximum range for 1 hour instead of 6 minutes. During this time, the frigate will already be able to enter and exit the firing zone.
      2,3) It is still necessary to go out to the distance of launching torpedoes, and put a curtain from submarines.
      4) What the fuck is electronic warfare for a hypersonic target ?! At this speed (8 M), the rocket ionizes the atmosphere stupidly from aerodynamic heating, and makes it radio-tight.
      Due to this effect, the missile is stupidly immune to electronic warfare.
      5) And what can they prohibit from components? For Americans, the problem will generally be to determine what is used there from materials, not just components.
      6) The problem of creating such a missile is of a fundamental nature (roughly as with an atomic bomb), therefore it is even impossible to give guarantees that American "effective" managers will solve fundamental problems faster than our "effective" managers will launch missiles into series.
      1. Escobar
        Escobar 8 October 2020 17: 25
        -1
        Regarding the first point, in an hour, the frigate even at 33 knots will cover no more than 60 km, with a difference in the anti-ship missile range of about 400 km, I'm afraid it won't have time to get out of the reach zone.
        1. Bobrick
          Bobrick 8 October 2020 18: 10
          +4
          But from the detection zone it is already hypothetically possible.
      2. K298rtm
        K298rtm 8 October 2020 23: 38
        -1
        1. If electronic warfare does not work on a given missile, then there is no seeker on the missile?
        2. If the missile does not have a seeker, then the firing is at coordinates (or P and D)?
        3. A simple question - Who will issue the control center for this weapon?
        1. Bobrick
          Bobrick 12 October 2020 16: 50
          0
          The formation of a plasma cloud is not a panacea, but the probability of intercepting a missile by means of modern electronic warfare means greatly reduces.
          The option is not excluded that the wavelength controlling the apparatus and directed to the rear of the rocket will not pass through the ionized region in the front part (in the shock front, the temperature, as well as the pressure, are the highest, which means that the mean free path of the ionized molecule is less , and this greatly reduces the transmitted wavelength of the radio signal). This, hypothetically, makes the missile almost impossible to intercept by means of electronic warfare in a real combat situation.
          True, there is a downside: stealth technology is also of little use - the plasma cloud is very noticeable on the radar.

          The seeker on the optical channel can also be guided.
          The technology is well-known, and heat-resistant glasses are no longer a rarity, as well as target recognition in the optical range.
          The variant with shooting at coordinates, at such a speed and with such a guidance system in the form of silhouette recognition, is hypothetically realistic. The target will not have time to leave the line of sight at a missile flight altitude of even 10 meters, at a target speed of 30 knots, since in 6 minutes the target can change its position by a maximum of 5-6 km (the height of a person's horizon with a height of 1,7 m is 4,7 ,XNUMX km).

          Ps all this is, of course, sofa analytics, but the fact that the Zircon rocket (if the declared characteristics generally correspond to reality) is a breakthrough, which makes it necessary to modify all existing means of protection (which usually takes much more resources), perhaps a fact ...
        2. Bobrick
          Bobrick 12 October 2020 17: 42
          0
          The article was interesting:
          https://topwar.ru/110676-pobeda-nad-plazmoy-novyy-metod-dlya-svyazi-s-kosmicheskim-apparatom.html

          In principle, there it is clearer how the plasma is formed and how to communicate through it, and that it really arises at such speeds.
      3. Sasha_rulevoy
        Sasha_rulevoy 9 October 2020 08: 07
        -1
        Quote: Bobrick
        And this rocket will fly at the maximum range for 1 hour instead of 6 minutes. During this time, the frigate will already be able to enter and exit the firing zone.


        The RGM-109E block IV tomahawk can receive changes in target designation via satellite communication, it can transmit the target image itself, it can chase ships using an optical guidance system.
        1. ZEMCH
          ZEMCH 10 October 2020 18: 54
          +1
          Quote: Sasha_rulevoy
          The RGM-109E block IV tomahawk can receive changes in target designation via satellite communication, it can transmit the target image itself, it can chase ships using an optical guidance system.

          And what does the Tomahawk RGM-109E block IV have to do with the discussion of a hypersonic missile?
        2. Bobrick
          Bobrick 12 October 2020 17: 12
          0
          Determine the type of war.

          It's just that in the case of nuclear explosions in space, satellites turn into space debris.
          Example: https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starfish_Prime.
          During the test, a 1,4 MT nuclear explosion was carried out at an altitude of 400 km, while about 1/3 of the satellites that existed in those years were disabled.
          Considering that now there is the possibility of detonating nuclear charges at high altitudes, the existence of a satellite constellation can be called into question, let alone the possibility of target designation through them.
    5. Garris199
      Garris199 8 October 2020 22: 34
      0
      She will not let her in, she will be armed with Zircon and the submarines, go find her within a radius of 1000 km.
      American subsonic anti-ship missiles, until the target arrives, it will leave for tens of kilometers, the missile seeker will not be able to detect it.
  12. kit88
    kit88 8 October 2020 10: 27
    12
    Standard Russian weapons programs: fantastic statements, minimum tests and evidence, in any case, no money for practical use

    The American wants real proof.
    Listen, American, are you sure you need it?
    Actually, this rocket works for you, it is intended for you.
  13. Shigona
    Shigona 8 October 2020 10: 30
    -9
    [quote] [Putin made himself a birthday present
    On Tuesday, October 6, the Northern Fleet frigate Admiral Gorshkov fired a Zircon hypersonic missile from the White Sea, which hit a target 450 km away in the Barents Sea, reaching 8 speeds of sound. The flight time was 4 minutes. TASS reports. / Quote]
    In fact, this is about 5,7 max, which, of course, is also a lot, but it must be written correctly: in some areas it reached a speed of 8 max.
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 8 October 2020 12: 19
      -4
      "Flight time was 4 minutes" ////
      ----
      Yesterday the article had 4.5 minutes. They rounded up.
      4,9 MAX is obtained. Which is already realistic.
      1. Escobar
        Escobar 8 October 2020 14: 03
        -7
        It will not be a sensation then! After all, hypersonic speed is more than Mach 5, and we have already rang to everyone that we have a hypersonic missile
        1. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 8 October 2020 14: 06
          +4
          It reaches hyperspeed at the end of the solid fuel
          booster. At an altitude of 28 km. And then the speed decreases.
          1. 3danimal
            3danimal 9 October 2020 07: 34
            0
            It turns out that the Zircon is a compact (fit in the UKSK) short-range ballistic missile with an optical / radar seeker. Like the Chinese DF-21 request
            1. voyaka uh
              voyaka uh 9 October 2020 12: 38
              0
              I got it wrong. It is fired to an altitude of about 30 km like a BR booster.
              And then she flies on wings on a turbojet engine, but at a very high altitude,
              gradually decreasing (about 20 km). But without entering the dense layers of the atmosphere.
              And dives down completely in front of the target.
              1. 3danimal
                3danimal 9 October 2020 13: 29
                +1
                Also an option. It's just that the speed is too high for SPVRD (comparable to that on Brahmos). Therefore, the idea of ​​a mini-Iskander came up. smile
                On the other hand, I came across information that Zircon is the modernization of Brahmos / Yakhont.
                1. voyaka uh
                  voyaka uh 9 October 2020 13: 59
                  +2
                  I also think that they conjured over Yakhont. He, Brahmos. Maybe aerodynamics
                  improved bow? And the engine was boosted a bit.
  14. Ros 56
    Ros 56 8 October 2020 10: 34
    +3
    I don’t understand, but what are the claims from the adversaries in terms of the appearance of our bombs, which are unglamorous? Nothing, let them get used to it, just once and they are already in heaven.
  15. Sancho_SP
    Sancho_SP 8 October 2020 10: 44
    -5
    It should be understood that the launch of any 48 anti-ship missiles on the largest aircraft carrier is also nothing to fend off.
    1. K298rtm
      K298rtm 8 October 2020 23: 42
      -1
      1. The aircraft carrier is part of the AUG.
      2. Back in the distant 80s, it was believed that to destroy the AUG (Nimitz and company) in the Norwegian Sea, it was necessary to use a salvo of 2x 949s plus a regiment of MRA tu 22M.
      1. 3danimal
        3danimal 9 October 2020 07: 39
        0
        It is only problematic to catch a moving order. With the current air defense and anti-aircraft defense. And Tu-95RTs is needed to launch at a greater distance.
        1. K298rtm
          K298rtm 9 October 2020 21: 19
          0
          In those early years, there was a problem to find the AUG before the line of the rise of aviation (then there was an opinion that the planes would return not to the aircraft carrier, but to coastal airfields in Scandinavia). They solved it by using RZK (direct tracking), aerial reconnaissance, space, multipurpose submarines deployed in the Norwegian Sea.
          1. 3danimal
            3danimal 9 October 2020 21: 42
            0
            But what about the air patrols? E-2 and 4-6 F-14 fly around, "see" far away, the reconnaissance plane can easily be reached. And the air wing with a high probability will have time to rise. This is not counting the cover of escort ships and MAPLs. "Not an easy battle, but a hard battle." For which you would have to pay a considerable price.
    2. 3danimal
      3danimal 9 October 2020 13: 32
      0
      Seriously? And what about destroyers? There is a long-range SM-6 with an ARL seeker, super-maneuverable ESSMs (also available on aircraft carriers). Aircraft AWACS E-2D with AFAR radar, for a detailed picture of events in real time.
  16. A. Privalov
    A. Privalov 8 October 2020 10: 50
    -1
    Not every birthday person is pleased with the launch in his honor ...


    It's right. Here's how one birthday boy was pleased on June 28, 1950:

    A total of 23 gifts were received.

    By their nature, all gifts received are divided into the following groups.

    Artistically designed albums with welcome addresses and messages, engravings, drawings and photographs - 2536.

    Works of the classics of Marxism-Leninism; socio-political, fiction and scientific and technical literature - 2146.

    Historical and revolutionary documents and relics - 193.

    Underground publications of fraternal communist parties, manuscripts, letters, portraits, orders, medals, emblems, weapons and personal belongings of the heroes of the fight against fascism - 139.

    Coats of arms, banners, banners, pennants; medals and coins - 1314.

    Musical works; notes of Soviet songs - 152.

    Sculptural and pictorial portraits, paintings, sculptures, drawings, prints - 2112.

    Carpets, panels, tapestries, embroidery - 880.

    Artistic items (vases, cups, caskets, caskets) made of precious metals, amethyst, jade, quartz, crystal, porcelain, ivory and other materials - 1992.

    Archaeological finds - 26.

    Machine tools, motors, machines; steam locomotive, plane, tractor; cars, motorcycles, bicycles - 114.

    Models and layouts of machine tools, machines, steam locomotives, engines, tractors, combines, factories, plants, etc. - 823.

    Measuring instruments and tool kits - 175.

    Cinema installations, motion picture cameras, motion pictures, optical devices and cameras - 47.

    Radio installations, radios, televisions, sound recorders, telephones, gramophones, gramophone records - 299.

    Samples of fabrics, leather, paper and other industrial products; samples of agricultural products - 1117.

    Collections of minerals, plants, insects - 89.

    Clothes (including national costumes), footwear, hats, fur and knitwear, fabrics (in cuts), tablecloths, towels, etc. — 6557.

    Canteen, tea and coffee sets; household items - 342.

    Furniture, watches and musical instruments - 434.

    Writing instruments and accessories; smoking appliances and accessories - 733.

    Weapons, hunting, fishing and sports equipment - 219.

    Toys - 723.
    1. Kart
      Kart 8 October 2020 11: 02
      +1
      Which one is in the same boots and one jacket?
      1. Hagen
        Hagen 8 October 2020 12: 47
        0
        Quote: Carte
        Which one is in the same boots and one jacket?

        This DR (according to the official version) - December 9 [21], 1879. repeat
    2. tralflot1832
      tralflot1832 8 October 2020 11: 38
      -10 qualifying.
      Do you have at least one toy like Zircon? And we had one, and then they spent it on fireworks! Or maybe there was not one!
    3. aszzz888
      aszzz888 8 October 2020 11: 54
      -2

      A. Privalov (Alexander Privalov)
      Today, 10: 50
      Is there a hyper weapon in Israel? laughing
      But in your homeland)) laughing all OK. laughing tongue wassat laughing
      Prime Minister of Israel stands trial
      Benjamin Netanyahu is accused of bribery, fraud and deceiving public trust. 24 May 2020 city

      Israel's attorney general announces intent to bring corruption charges against Netanyahu
      POLICY
      03:30 March 01, 2019

      Netanyahu indicted in three criminal cases
      Enough or ischo? tongue laughing wassat
  17. Raphael Wahitov
    Raphael Wahitov 8 October 2020 11: 24
    +6
    It is necessary to rename the Zircon cruise missile to the Momento Sea.
  18. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 8 October 2020 11: 35
    +1
    Why are they so excited, it seems that one Zircon hit the target. When we shoot 10 pieces, then let them worry, or then it will be too late! hi
    1. aszzz888
      aszzz888 8 October 2020 11: 47
      -1
      tralflot1832 (Andrey S.)
      Today, 11: 35
      NEW
      +1
      Why were they so excited, it seems that one Zircon hit the target. When we shoot 10 pieces, then let them worry, or then it will be too late! hi
      Well, they all thought that we were joking with them, but we draw cartoons laughing ... And if it happens, God forbid!, As the warrant officer from the DMB used to say, about "we will definitely bang" - grief will be to the one and the ONE who encroaches on Russia!
  19. aszzz888
    aszzz888 8 October 2020 11: 41
    -2
    Standard Russian weapons programs: fantastic statements, minimum tests and evidence, in any case, no money for practical use

    - says one of the American users who got acquainted with the combat testing footage.
    When it flies on your head, it will sing differently, if it remains alive. bully
  20. Jacket in stock
    Jacket in stock 8 October 2020 11: 48
    11
    no money for practical use
    I wonder what he means by practical application?
    Should we sink a couple or two of American aircraft carriers?
    They boast of such toys, so that no one has a desire to bring them to their practical application.
  21. Abrosimov Sergey Olegovich
    Abrosimov Sergey Olegovich 8 October 2020 12: 35
    0
    no money for practical use anyway

    I'm sorry, I didn't quite understand something: by practical application, he means the firing of American AUG with these missiles ??? Does he really want a war ???
  22. Laksamana besar
    Laksamana besar 8 October 2020 12: 46
    0
    The new weapon is expected to enter the Navy in 2020-21.

    I doubt that the tests have not yet been completed, it is more believed that 2022 is closer to 2023 +, it seems like Zircon should be brought to Mach 9-10. Although everything can be, wait and see.
  23. _Ugene_
    _Ugene_ 8 October 2020 13: 12
    0
    no money for practical use anyway
    lately quite often it is, but, I think, not in this case
  24. MKPU-115
    MKPU-115 8 October 2020 14: 11
    +6
    Quote: Bashkirkhan
    Well, the bombs are really rusty. Syria, Su-34. FAB-1500 M-46. The bomb in the photo was released before 1954, judging by the markings.

    For Photoshop 5, for knowledge of the operation of aircraft weapons, a stake with two minuses, it would have been rejected in the warehouse.
  25. Kaw
    Kaw 8 October 2020 15: 49
    0
    In appearance, in the method of launching and in range, this rocket is very much reminiscent of the P-800 onyx.
  26. Old26
    Old26 8 October 2020 19: 53
    +4
    Quote: Laksamana Besar
    The new weapon is expected to enter the Navy in 2020-21.

    I doubt that the tests have not yet been completed, it is more believed that 2022 is closer to 2023 +, it seems like Zircon should be brought to Mach 9-10. Although everything can be, wait and see.

    And you rightly doubt it. The first throwing ones were started in 2012, flying ones - in 2015. How many was - no one knows for sure. But until 2020 at least 5 tests.
    In fact, only the first tests have begun from a surface ship against targets. twice by land, once by sea. There are still tests from a submarine ahead, which if they begin, it is unlikely in 2020. means tests from a boat - 2021. so it certainly will not be put into service in 2020.

    Quote: voyaka uh
    It reaches hyperspeed at the end of the solid fuel
    booster. At an altitude of 28 km. And then the speed decreases.

    And then the hypersonic ramjet comes into action. The speed is maintained at a given level (the speed is officially announced at 2600 m / s, i.e. almost 8M). And only on the approach to the goal will it begin to decline ...
    1. 3danimal
      3danimal 9 October 2020 07: 44
      0
      Where is the "hypersonic ramjet"? And successful multiple trials of it? And a photo of a rocket that immediately gives an idea of ​​the presence of such an engine (characteristic air intake)?
      From all that is at the moment, it can be assumed that this is a BRMD launched from the UKSK.
  27. FRoman1984
    FRoman1984 8 October 2020 20: 13
    +1
    In the photo, the rocket really looks like Onyx. Apparently, they did the editing so as not to show the appearance.
    1. 3danimal
      3danimal 9 October 2020 07: 45
      -3
      Because no one should be shown that there is no scramjet on the rocket smile
  28. Old26
    Old26 8 October 2020 23: 20
    +2
    Quote: FRoman1984
    In the photo, the rocket really looks like Onyx. Apparently, they did the editing so as not to show the appearance.

    Maybe, or maybe the rocket itself was closed by the flaps of the cylindrical fairing. And she looks like "Onyx"
    1. 3danimal
      3danimal 9 October 2020 07: 48
      0
      There are only drawings and photos of the American X-51 Waverider (with the US Air Force signs erased in Photoshop), sometimes even under the wing of the B-52 (they could at least draw on the TU-95 fool ).
  29. lvov_aleksey
    lvov_aleksey 9 October 2020 01: 41
    0
    we made a beautiful declaration of our capabilities, then let them think for themselves!)))))))))))
  30. lvov_aleksey
    lvov_aleksey 9 October 2020 01: 43
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    Quote: Old26
    Quote: FRoman1984
    In the photo, the rocket really looks like Onyx. Apparently, they did the editing so as not to show the appearance.

    Maybe, or maybe the rocket itself was closed by the flaps of the cylindrical fairing. And she looks like "Onyx"

    even in the video it was said that a dull head would fall off, tk. hyper won't pull
    ps secret for hyper - head
  31. lvov_aleksey
    lvov_aleksey 9 October 2020 01: 52
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    we'd better look at this video, minus the author
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJKOg6bGzhE
  32. 3danimal
    3danimal 9 October 2020 07: 41
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    According to the authors of the publication, "Zircon" can use the technology of "plasma stealth": the missile may be hidden from enemy radars in the surrounding cloud of radio-absorbing ionized particles.

    Stupidity. These "radio-absorbing" ionized particles themselves shine for hundreds of kilometers.
  33. Old26
    Old26 9 October 2020 15: 44
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    Quote: 3danimal
    Where is the "hypersonic ramjet"?

    Impatient? I'm also interested in the look, the air intake of this straight-through, as I think to everyone, but we all understand that for now the appearance of the product is under the neck.

    Quote: 3danimal
    And successful multiple trials of it?

    Have you heard a lot, for example, about the tests of the same "Vanguard" (by date, time and success), or its predecessor - product 15Yu70? And about the dates of the test of the same "Zircon"?

    Quote: 3danimal
    And a photo of a rocket that immediately gives an idea of ​​the presence of such an engine (characteristic air intake)?

    I can repeat myself. Have you seen a photograph of the "Vanguard" in service? Or the same U70? Or the Soviet Albatross? And the drawing of the Courier ICBM? Did not see. And I did not see, and neither did the others, but that does not mean that all this was not. The view is still stamped ... And then a day or two ago, one of the comrades wrote that he was interested not only in ICBM launches, but also in hitting the range and even deviating each block

    Quote: 3danimal
    From all that is at the moment, it can be assumed that this is a BRMD launched from the UKSK.

    Your guess, frankly, is sucked from the finger. Everyone talks about a cruise missile - you think it's a ballistic missile. In addition, the launch itself speaks of a cruise missile, not a ballistic one.
    Is there a ship-based ballistic missile at all? Moreover, in the dimensions of 3S14 with the declared range.
    Even the creators of the anti-ship ballistic missile - the Chinese, and they said that the missile is designed to work on stationary targets. They failed to bring the seeker's radar to a level so that it took moving targets.
    The entire launch cycle is a purely launch of a cruise missile with a launch booster, shooting off the aerodynamic cover of the nose cone, and then, apparently, also shooting the side flaps of the fairing
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