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India prepares its first space shuttle RLV-TD for testing

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India is rapidly developing its potential in the space industry. In November-December 2020, the country is set to test the Reusable Launch Vehicle (RLV-TD).


As you know, the Indian Space Research Organization (ISRO) has long planned to build a reusable launch vehicle capable of launching satellites into orbit and then returning to Earth for the next mission. The Indian Space Agency believes that such a shuttle will help the country save money on launching satellites into space.

India currently has only two disposable rockets, a launch vehicle for the PSLV polar satellites and a launch vehicle for the GSLV geosynchronous satellites. In addition, a small SSLV launch vehicle is also being prepared for release.

It is noteworthy that the RLV space shuttle is planned to be lifted by a helicopter and launched from a height of 4 kilometers. Landing tests of the reusable launch vehicle will take place in the Chitradurga region of Karnataka state in southern India. This was stated by the director of the Vikram Sarabaya Space Center, which is part of the ISRO structure, Mr. Somanath.

When the RLV is launched from a helicopter, it will glide and move to the runway for self-landing at Chitradurga airfield. According to an ISRO spokesman, the shuttle's interface will allow it to effectively interact with the helicopter. The shuttle navigation and control system will ensure its safe descent.


Thus, the RLV will ascend into orbit, stay in it, then re-approach and land on the runway like an airplane. By the way, in 2016, India already carried out the descent of an RLV from an altitude of 65 km and its return at a speed of about Mach 5. Then, showing good survival in high temperatures, the shuttle successfully glided down to a specific landing point 450 km from Sriharikot in Andhra Pradesh. However, then the device collapsed from impact on the water of the Bay of Bengal, since it was not designed for splashdown.

If the ambitious project of the Indian Space Agency is completed, then India will become one of the few modern countries with its own shuttle. However, according to experts, one should not expect any significant change in India's position in the space services market.

However, so far in India they do not claim to compete in the space sphere with such titans as the USA or Russia. For the Indian leadership, it is much more important, firstly, to ensure a cheaper launch of its satellites into space, and, secondly, to develop its own technologies. In this vein, the shuttle trials are helping to build Indian confidence in their own capabilities.

It is no coincidence that the shuttle tests back in 2016 were appreciated by the Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi, who is the author of the country's industrialization program under the slogan "Made in India". As for such large intervals between tests, they are the result of insufficient funding: so far India does not have the means to accelerate space development.
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  1. Reviews
    Reviews 8 October 2020 11: 38 New
    +5
    >>> in 2016, India has already carried out an RLV descent from an altitude of 65 km and its return at a speed of about Mach 5. Then, having shown good survival at high temperatures, the shuttle successfully glided down to a certain landing point <<

    Tryndets. India has already passed us in space.
    1. Nasrat
      Nasrat 8 October 2020 11: 44 New
      +2
      Quote: Avis


      Tryndets. India has already passed us in space.


      Further in the text of the article:

      However, while in India, they do not claim to compete in the space sector with such titans as the USA or Russia.

      the case when someone lies. wassat
      1. Reviews
        Reviews 8 October 2020 11: 58 New
        +2
        Quote: Nasr

        the case when someone lies. wassat

        No, this is a case when someone cannot read. And does not know the meaning of the word "bye". As long as India does not have a working "shuttle", of course, it cannot pretend. So far, only the United States and China are candidates.
        1. Nasrat
          Nasrat 8 October 2020 12: 12 New
          +3
          Quote: Avis
          ]
          No, this is a case when someone cannot read. ...

          No, no, this is the case when someone throws it on the fan .... without even running through the article with his eyes .... seeing only the title - he gave a comment ... laughing
          1. Reviews
            Reviews 8 October 2020 12: 22 New
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            Quote: Nasr
            Quote: Avis
            ]
            No, this is a case when someone cannot read. ...

            No, no, this is the case when someone throws it on the fan .... without even running through the article with his eyes .... seeing only the title - he gave a comment ... laughing

            Is your head blown out, or something, sick?
            1. Nasrat
              Nasrat 8 October 2020 12: 26 New
              +4
              Quote: Avis

              Is your head blown out, or something, sick?

              Bulling is not good, on a cultural site ...
              1. Reviews
                Reviews 8 October 2020 13: 47 New
                -1
                Quote: Nasr
                Quote: Avis

                Is your head blown out, or something, sick?

                Bulling is not good, on a cultural site ...

                So don't be bullied, accusing others of lying, throwing, and so on.
      2. Freemason Mason
        Freemason Mason 8 October 2020 11: 59 New
        +6
        And what has Russia developed in the space titanium over the past 30 years? The USSR was a titan - it should not be confused with Russia, which for more than 20 years has not been able to complete the Angara and the Eagle Federation
        1. Nasrat
          Nasrat 8 October 2020 12: 06 New
          +6
          Quote: Freemason
          ... it should not be confused with Russia, which for more than 20 years has not been able to complete the Angara and the Eagle Federation

          Objectivity for the sake of:

          Rosoxmos has finalized the Angara launch vehicle and, by and large, the production chains are ready for the serial production of this missile. The only limitation that at the moment does not allow putting this rocket into operation is the unavailability of the infrastructure of the second stage at the Vostochny cosmodrome. Nevertheless, by 2023, all work at the Vostochny cosmodrome that concerns the Angara launch vehicle should be completed and Russia will be able to independently carry out the withdrawal of a wide range of payloads.

          1. Blackmokona
            Blackmokona 8 October 2020 13: 26 New
            0
            The hangara is still officially undergoing LCI. Until it passes, it cannot be considered done in any way.
            1. slipped
              slipped 8 October 2020 14: 50 New
              +1
              Quote: BlackMokona
              The hangara is still officially undergoing LCI. Until it passes, it cannot be considered done in any way.


              URM light Angara as part of the South Korean rocket NARO successfully launched a spacecraft into orbit.
              1. Blackmokona
                Blackmokona 8 October 2020 15: 35 New
                0
                URM Angara in Russia will not fly as a separate product. This means that the development has not been completed.
                1. slipped
                  slipped 8 October 2020 16: 28 New
                  -1
                  Quote: BlackMokona
                  URM Angara in Russia will not fly as a separate product. This means that the development has not been completed.


                  I have already flown. laughing You forgot about the suborbital launch of 2014 - it had two autonomous products - URM-1 and URM-2. And so the carrier A1.2 just consists of URM and AM for pre-launch into orbit.
          2. kombat1976
            kombat1976 8 October 2020 13: 41 New
            -3
            Oriental? 2023? .... Rogozin! Vryatli ...
          3. vVvAD
            vVvAD 9 October 2020 10: 07 New
            +1
            Quote: Nasr
            The only limitation that at the moment does not allow putting this rocket into operation is the unavailability of the infrastructure of the second stage at the Vostochny cosmodrome.

            How much money was stolen in Vostochny ... otherwise, if this is true, it should have already flown.
        2. slipped
          slipped 8 October 2020 12: 29 New
          +5
          Quote: Freemason
          And what has Russia developed in the space titanium over the past 30 years?


          Many things. You can just list long and tedious. Or you can open the Internet and find it yourself. There would be a desire. laughing
          1. The eye of the crying
            The eye of the crying 8 October 2020 13: 00 New
            +2
            Quote: slipped
            Many things. You can just list long and tedious. Or you can open the Internet and find it yourself.


            "We have such devices!
            But we won't tell you about anything! "(C)
            1. slipped
              slipped 8 October 2020 13: 37 New
              +1
              Quote: Eye of the Crying
              Quote: slipped
              Many things. You can just list long and tedious. Or you can open the Internet and find it yourself.


              "We have such devices!
              But we won't tell you about anything! "(C)


              I am personally lazy. laughing One of the most recent major projects is the creation of the Spectrum line of astrophysical observatories.



              1. The eye of the crying
                The eye of the crying 8 October 2020 13: 41 New
                -1
                Quote: slipped
                I am personally lazy.


                It doesn't matter for what reasons you don't tell.

                Quote: slipped
                creation of the Spectrum line of astrophysical observatories.


                This is great, but Google says that "Spectrum-RG is a joint Russian-German project." The letters "RG" seem to hint.
                1. slipped
                  slipped 8 October 2020 13: 51 New
                  +6
                  Quote: Eye of the Crying
                  The letters "RG" seem to hint.


                  They hint, or rather directly scream about the words Roentgen-Gamma laughing ... The project is called Spectrum-Roentgen-Gamma. Moreover, the name of the project was invented back in the late 80s, like the entire future line of "Spectra", which is now being assembled in Russia.

                  And so joint projects in space systems are not uncommon. For example, BeppiColombo flying to Mercury - a product of Europe and Japan, even Russia is present there in the form of the MGNS device, which is already turned on and sends us scientific data - recorded 42 gamma flares. The fact is that now scientists can localize the position of these flares only in a "two-dimensional" form. They cannot find out exactly at what distance from the Earth this cataclysm occurred. Thanks to MGNS, astronomers can solve this problem. It will be possible to localize the sources of gamma-ray bursts in three-dimensional form using three objects far from each other in space - the Russian HEND and MGNS neutron spectrometers, which are on board the Mars Odyssey and BepiColombo probes, as well as terrestrial telescopes.
                  1. The eye of the crying
                    The eye of the crying 8 October 2020 13: 54 New
                    +2
                    Quote: slipped
                    They hint, or rather directly scream about the words Roentgen-Gamma laughing.


                    Yes? Then he was wrong.

                    Quote: slipped
                    And so joint projects in space systems are not uncommon.


                    Naturally. But it was something that was developed by Russia. Not Russia together with Germany. And the article is generally about ships and rockets, and not about telescopes.
                    1. slipped
                      slipped 8 October 2020 14: 39 New
                      +1
                      Quote: Eye of the Crying
                      And the article is generally about ships and rockets, and not about telescopes.


                      For more than 15 years, Russia has been successfully operating a new deeply modernized space rocket complex Soyuz-2, consisting of three launch vehicles - the light Soyuz-2.1v and the medium Soyuz-2.1a and 1b. The 14D23 engine, which has no analogues in the world in terms of specific impulse in its class, has been specially developed for this carrier. The engine has various modifications, including a modification with deep throttling during operation - in the near future, this will sharply reduce the cost of a kg of payload for the MTR.

                      Russia has developed and is preparing for the continuation of flight design tests the Angara space rocket complex of both heavy and light class. The launch of the second heavy vehicle is scheduled for November 24.

                      Russia has created and is successfully operating new modernized spacecraft Soyuz MS, the safety and reliability of which has been confirmed in real conditions, and Progress MS is a unique modular cargo and refueling vehicle that allows to deliver cargoes to the space station in pressurized volumes and fuel in non-pressurized volumes and small specialized modules, next year Progress will deliver the Prichal node module to the station.

                      For four years now Russia has been creating a new-generation spacecraft "Orel" for long-distance flights, including to the Moon. The first launch of the first prototype spacecraft will take place in 2023 from site 1A of the Vostochny cosmodrome, the construction of which is proceeding at a faster pace.
                      1. Whirlwind
                        Whirlwind 8 October 2020 15: 50 New
                        +2
                        Plus, together with foreigners, the Kuru cosmodrome in French Guiana and Sea Launch.
                      2. slipped
                        slipped 8 October 2020 16: 32 New
                        +2
                        Quote: Whirlwind
                        Plus, together with foreigners, the Kuru cosmodrome in French Guiana and Sea Launch.


                        The GCC in Kourou belongs entirely to the French. They purchase our rockets, boosters and our launch services. The Russian crew at the cosmodrome is about 200 people.

                        Sea Launch is now owned by the private company S7 space. And earlier, of course, Russia also invested in it. And then he is going to invest.
                      3. Whirlwind
                        Whirlwind 8 October 2020 17: 43 New
                        0
                        It is clear that Kuru is French, but the Soyuz launches take place from the launch, built and maintained by Roscosmos.
                        It is clear that the MC belongs to foreigners now, but we participate in it. Moreover, as far as I understand, Russia bought it out and will use it on its own, although it is quite possible in cooperation with foreign partners.
                        The fact is that during all these difficult 90s for Russia, Roscosmos lived and developed, although not at the pace that the USSR had.
                      4. slipped
                        slipped 8 October 2020 18: 21 New
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                        Quote: Whirlwind
                        It is clear that Kuru is French, but the Soyuz launches take place from the launch, built and maintained by Roscosmos.


                        A bit wrong. The UK itself is served by locals. But business travelers from Russia come to the launch.

                        Quote: Whirlwind
                        It is clear that the MC belongs to foreigners now, but we participate in it.


                        MS is owned by a private Russian company.
                      5. Whirlwind
                        Whirlwind 8 October 2020 18: 36 New
                        +1
                        MS without any share of Roscosmos?
                        What is his perspective in Russia?
                      6. slipped
                        slipped 8 October 2020 19: 05 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Whirlwind
                        MS without any share of Roscosmos?
                        What is his perspective in Russia?


                        This should be asked from the new owners of the complex. wink In the meantime, Roskosmos offers an adapted Soyuz-5 for it.
            2. Letun
              Letun 8 October 2020 17: 13 New
              +1
              Quote: slipped
              A new deeply modernized space rocket complex "Soyuz-15" has been successfully operating in Russia for more than 2 years

              Yes, let's not forget to once again thank the great S.P. Queen!
            3. slipped
              slipped 8 October 2020 18: 19 New
              0
              Quote: Letun
              Yes, let's not forget to once again thank the great S.P. Queen!


              Don't worry, the SP is fine. But Soyuz-2 has long been a completely different rocket. The last, analogue was "Soyuz-FG".
          2. The eye of the crying
            The eye of the crying 8 October 2020 20: 28 New
            +2
            Quote: slipped
            new deeply modernized space rocket complex "Soyuz-2"


            It is an old modernized one.

            Quote: slipped
            For four years now Russia has been creating a new-generation spacecraft "Orel" for long-distance flights, including to the Moon.


            The future is great, no question. The question is whether it will come.
          3. slipped
            slipped 8 October 2020 21: 09 New
            +1
            Quote: Eye of the Crying
            It is an old modernized one.


            Only the appearance of the fuel tanks remained from the "old" one, since this carrier is designed for a certain type of launch complex - with a suspension. The control system, fittings and the third stage, and in the light version and the first - others. Of course, there were also indirect disadvantages of the "old" one - assembly with a crane and long-term pre-flight service by a person.

            Quote: Eye of the Crying
            The future is great, no question. The question is whether it will come.


            A strange question, you can admire the pace of construction of a launch complex for a new manned spacecraft https://www.roscosmos.ru/26799/
          4. The eye of the crying
            The eye of the crying 8 October 2020 21: 12 New
            +2
            Quote: slipped
            The control system, fittings and the third stage, and in the light version and the first - others.


            Evil tongues say the digital control system is the only significant upgrade.

            Quote: slipped
            you can admire the pace of construction of a launch complex for a new manned ship


            Building a launch site? Seriously? Is this the only thing that prevents the Eagle from flying?
          5. slipped
            slipped 8 October 2020 21: 22 New
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            Quote: Eye of the Crying
            Evil tongues say the digital control system is the only significant upgrade.


            For some reason, evil tongues forgot about the 14D23 (RD-0124) engine for the third 1b and second 1c stages and the adaptation of the first stage 1c to the NK-33 and RD-0193 (RD-181) engines, which required reworking all the fittings.

            Quote: Eye of the Crying
            Building a launch site? Seriously? Is this the only thing that prevents the Eagle from flying?


            Seriously. What surprises you? Missiles do not take off without a launch complex. As for the ship itself, tests of its elements are underway, and it will take two years to assemble the first flight product - it will be assembled by mid-2023 and will fly in late autumn.
          6. The eye of the crying
            The eye of the crying 8 October 2020 21: 32 New
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            Quote: slipped
            it will be assembled by mid-2023 and fly in late fall.


            Well, we'll see. Wait only two years.
  • Heet
    Heet 8 October 2020 14: 00 New
    +1
    Hinting at what? That many projects in the space sector are international? For your reference, RG stands for Roentgen-Gamma, not what you thought. They can't even read about what you write. The presence of Russian instruments or component parts on many NASA and ESA spacecraft says a lot, but not for you.
  • yehat2
    yehat2 8 October 2020 12: 33 New
    -2
    development is. True, the most promising project is the Ragozinsky trampoline.
    1. slipped
      slipped 8 October 2020 13: 21 New
      0
      Quote: yehat2
      development is. True, the most promising project is the Ragozinsky trampoline.


      The trampoline works.

  • military_cat
    military_cat 8 October 2020 12: 54 New
    +2
    Quote: Nasr
    Further in the text of the article:

    The article is not a sacred text, the opinion of the author is not an infallible truth. The most valuable thing in an article is facts, and it is always better to make up your own opinion.
  • Obi-Wan Kenobi
    Obi-Wan Kenobi 8 October 2020 11: 49 New
    -3
    Tryndets. India has already passed us in space.

    Well, why be surprised?
    Well done Indians! I wish them great success!
    For that, we have bypassed everyone in the number of thieves in the country's leadership, headed by zero.
    To each his own.
    1. URAL72
      URAL72 8 October 2020 12: 32 New
      +5
      India is becoming a competitor and a lost customer. Therefore, a patriot will not wish them success. Unless he's dumb. And the song of the bulk-liberals about "zeroed out" is so tired that I would be in Russia and not in Donbass, I would even hear someone else's conversation ... Nerves are not in ...
      And the number of thieves in the same India is much higher, but you just have to fart.
  • Insurgent
    Insurgent 8 October 2020 12: 02 New
    +4
    Quote: Avis
    >>> in 2016, India has already carried out an RLV descent from an altitude of 65 km and its return at a speed of about Mach 5. Then, having shown good survival at high temperatures, the shuttle successfully glided down to a certain landing point <<

    The launch was made six times reduced layout of the prototype RLV shuttle

    Quote: Avis
    Tryndets. India has already passed us in space.


    India is just at the beginning of a difficult and long journey ...






    1. Reviews
      Reviews 8 October 2020 12: 11 New
      -2
      Quote: Insurgent

      The launch was made six times reduced layout of the prototype RLV shuttle

      "You speak as if it is something bad ...". Any, the most complex design, once began with a dozen lines on a sheet in a team of general types. A working demonstrator is a milestone.

      India is just at the beginning of a difficult and long journey ...

      ... which is not even in our plans yet.
      1. Insurgent
        Insurgent 8 October 2020 12: 15 New
        +3
        Quote: Avis
        "You speak as if it is something bad ...".

        Why do you think so ?
        Quote: Avis
        ... which is not even in our plans yet.

        Wind yourself up yes yes yes .
        1. Reviews
          Reviews 8 October 2020 12: 27 New
          -1
          Quote: Insurgent
          Quote: Avis
          "You speak as if it is something bad ...".

          Why do you think so ?

          From the fact that you have focused on the fact that "only" the layout is tested. Or have I misunderstood you?

          Wind yourself up yes yes yes .

          What is this expressed in?
      2. Nasrat
        Nasrat 8 October 2020 12: 16 New
        +4
        Quote: Avis

        ... which is not even in our plans yet.


        You may not have any plans ... but Roskosmos is already undergoing development work ... and not only on shuttles, but also on the design of the next generation of medium and super-heavy launch vehicles
        work is underway to create a national satellite telecommunications constellation. This project is called "Sphere". The project provides for the launch into various orbits of about 600 satellites for various purposes, communication satellites, navigation satellites, earth remote sensing satellites. Such, a kind of national analogue of the Starlink satellite constellation.
        1. Reviews
          Reviews 8 October 2020 12: 28 New
          0
          Quote: Nasr
          Quote: Avis

          ... which is not even in our plans yet.


          You may not have any plans ... but Roskosmos is already undergoing development work ... and not only on shuttles, but also on the design of the next generation of medium and super-heavy launch vehicles
          work is underway to create a national satellite telecommunications constellation. This project is called "Sphere". The project provides for the launch into various orbits of about 600 satellites for various purposes, communication satellites, navigation satellites, earth remote sensing satellites. Such, a kind of national analogue of the Starlink satellite constellation.

          Well, yes, well, yes ... "But in 10 years we will melt more pig iron than our enemy 20 years ago!"
          1. Nasrat
            Nasrat 8 October 2020 12: 36 New
            +1
            Quote: Avis
            Well, yes, well, yes ... "But in 10 years we will melt more pig iron than our enemy 20 years ago!"

            Your right to doubt and shout that everything is gone "boss" ...
            As they say, the dogs bark, and the caravan goes!
            1. The eye of the crying
              The eye of the crying 8 October 2020 13: 02 New
              +2
              Quote: Nasr
              As they say, the dogs bark, and the caravan goes!


              They also say "the ulita is going, someday it will be."
        2. slipped
          slipped 8 October 2020 12: 38 New
          +3
          Quote: Nasr
          Quote: Avis

          ... which is not even in our plans yet.


          Quote: Nasr
          You may not have any plans ... but Roskosmos is already undergoing development work ... and not only on shuttles, but also on the design of the next generation of medium and super-heavy launch vehicles


          Well, for shuttles, so far only money is allocated only to assess the need for such a device and when it should eventually appear, if needed. Most likely, Russia will have such a device at the beginning of servicing the Russian Orbital Service Station - there it is planned to assemble the spacecraft right on the outrigger stock.

          As for the carriers, the creation of elements of the medium carrier Soyuz-5 has already begun and the revision of the draft design of the super-heavy is nearing completion.

          Quote: Nasr
          work is underway to create a national satellite telecommunications constellation. This project is called "Sphere".


          On "Sphere" only studies are underway, a decision has not yet been made. And new telecommunication devices in production:



          Quote: Nasr
          Such, a kind of national analogue of the Starlink satellite constellation.


          No. The Sphere groupings have much wider opportunities.
          1. Nasrat
            Nasrat 8 October 2020 12: 42 New
            0
            Thanks for the clarification! +
          2. K-36
            K-36 8 October 2020 18: 04 New
            +1
            H.slipped Back in 2005. Zhenya Tarelkin (at that time still only a candidate for astronauts) told me in a private conversation that he (and another group of guys - candidates) were being prepared for a flight on the Clipper. Consider 15 years have passed. Almost everyone from that group flew off (Shkaplerov, Ryazansky, Tarelkin, Borisenko, and Samokutyaev; In short, everyone except Mark Serov, and Tolya Ivanishin is still in orbit in the ISS). So what? All flew in the Soyuz, and the Clipper disappeared from the information space altogether. I am not saying that everything is bad. I say that many expectations burned out in the flame of building a new capitalism in the country with its inordinate thirst for profit ...
            hi
            1. slipped
              slipped 8 October 2020 18: 47 New
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              Quote: K-36
              H.slipped Back in 2005. Zhenya Tarelkin (at that time still only a candidate for astronauts) told me in a private conversation that he (and another group of guys - candidates) were being prepared for a flight on the Clipper.


              Firstly, the word "Clipper" in Russian is spelled with one P. Secondly, the preliminary design of this MTKK in 2006 was revised in favor of the PTS, a new promising transport system and the launch of the spacecraft on the space rocket complex "Rus" being developed at that time ... First of all, this happened because ESA really wanted "almost its own" spacecraft in its lunar program "Lunar Village" and offered real money for the project. Since there were delays in the construction of the ISS at that moment with new elements of the ISS RS, the Russian Space Agency then considered that Soyuz would also cope with the delivery of "tourists" into orbit, in principle, this is how it ended up.

              But by the tenth year, ESA had financial problems and realized that they were not pulling - they left the PPTS project. And Russia was left without a new ship and, most importantly, without a new rocket "Rus", since the financial flow ended, and there were only crumbs in the budget for all this.

              And then we began to transport our partners to the ISS for money, to the Soyuz, and this ship had to be modernized. It turned out "Soyuz MS".

              As for the deceased PPTS, the project of the spacecraft itself was taken from it and significantly revised. The contract for the creation of an already new PTK NP was signed at the end of 2016. Next year, the assembly of the ship will begin directly from elements that are now being tested by various manufacturers.

              And the Clipper has not disappeared, its only model is now in the foyer of the Sirius children's center in Sochi:

      3. Sidor Amenpodestovich
        Sidor Amenpodestovich 8 October 2020 12: 39 New
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        Quote: Avis
        which is not even in our plans yet.

        Russia had a Buran. And the experience gained as a result of this program has been preserved to this day.
        I don't quite understand why many arrogantly claim that Russia is not the USSR?
        Because all programs, including space programs, were developed under the conditions of cooperation of many Union republics?
        Well, where are all these "cooperators" now? What did they do?
        Yes, in many cases Russia uses the Soviet backlog. But he uses it precisely because Russia is the USSR, and earlier RI. Or did the USSR not use the developments of the RI times?
        Yes, and why does no one except Russia use the Soviet reserve?
        1. slipped
          slipped 8 October 2020 12: 45 New
          +4
          Quote: Sydor Amenpospestovich
          Yes, and why does no one except Russia use the Soviet reserve?


          Why nobody? India uses GSLV in missiles. Kazakhstan uses in terms of the launch complex. China uses in terms of manned space exploration. Even Americans use laughing
          1. Sidor Amenpodestovich
            Sidor Amenpodestovich 8 October 2020 13: 04 New
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            Quote: slipped
            Why nobody? India uses GSLV in missiles. Kazakhstan uses in terms of the launch complex. China uses in terms of manned space exploration. Even Americans use

            But some for some reason only contemptuously grimace in relation to Russia, in the sense of fu, nothing of their own, everything is only Soviet.
            1. Whirlwind
              Whirlwind 8 October 2020 16: 04 New
              -2
              After the referendum on July 1 this year, which was voted in favor by 80% of Russians, a constitutional amendment was launched, which makes the Russian Federation - Russia a FULL successor of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, including in the space field!
              1. Mordvin 3
                Mordvin 3 8 October 2020 16: 25 New
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                Quote: Whirlwind
                After the referendum on July 1 this year, which was voted in favor by 80% of Russians, a constitutional amendment was launched, which makes the Russian Federation - Russia a FULL successor of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, including in the space field!

                That's okay. Now all the space debris that the USSR has littered, the Russian Federation will have to clean up.
                1. Whirlwind
                  Whirlwind 8 October 2020 17: 46 New
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                  First of all on Earth ...
        2. Reviews
          Reviews 8 October 2020 15: 52 New
          +1
          Quote: Sydor Amenpospestovich
          Quote: Avis
          which is not even in our plans yet.

          Russia had a Buran. And the experience gained as a result of this program has been preserved to this day.

          Nope. "There are no others, but those are far away." It's about brains. But the same is about the material heritage: CD is scattered, technology and materials science have made great strides, new aerodynamic data have appeared. Everything must be started from scratch.

          I don't quite understand why many arrogantly claim that Russia is not the USSR?

          Because it's a fact.
          Well, where are all these "cooperators" now? What did they do?

          ... as Russia has achieved a little without them. It's just that, with our resources, it is absolutely shameful not to do anything in 30 years.

          Yes, and why does no one except Russia use the Soviet reserve?

          Ukraine used it with might and main until 2014 (aviation industry), Belarus still uses it (auto industry).
          1. Sidor Amenpodestovich
            Sidor Amenpodestovich 8 October 2020 16: 07 New
            0
            Zircon, Vanguard, Ash-M don't count?
            Generally strange. My homeland is Russia. And personally, it is not so important what it is called: the Russian Empire, the Soviet Union. For me, Russia is Russia.
            Yes, I do not like and liked everything in Russia, but it is what it is, I will not have another.
            And to hate and, even more so, to despise my homeland for the fact that it does not correspond to some of my idealistic ideas, this, in my opinion, is not only extremely unworthy, but also despicable.
        3. The eye of the crying
          The eye of the crying 8 October 2020 21: 49 New
          +1
          Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich
          I don't quite understand why many arrogantly claim that Russia is not the USSR?


          Because Russia has a different political system and 2 times fewer citizens.
      4. venik
        venik 8 October 2020 15: 34 New
        -3
        Quote: Avis
        "You speak as if it is something bad ...". Any, the most complex design, once began with a dozen lines on a sheet in a team of general types. A working demonstrator is a milestone.

        ========
        "Demonstrator" is of course "stage"..... But as they say from" here's to you, to ON you ".... The distance is HUGE! After all," on the way "there may be some kind of" rogozin "......
        Here's an example:
        BOR-2 (program "Spiral", USSR) - the first successful flight 31.07.1970,:


        And here is "Buran" (1988 - successful flight)

        PS It's been 50 years ("Spirals") and 38 years ("Buran") ....... And "things are still there" !!!) ........ request
        PPS I don’t know, maybe it’s necessary, as under Joseph Vissarionovich, to Roskosmos "supervised" not by all "effective" "rogozins", but the leadership of the FSB and the Ministry of Internal Affairs (with personal responsibility, up to criminal? request
        1. Reviews
          Reviews 8 October 2020 15: 45 New
          -1
          Quote: venik

          BOR-2 (program "Spiral", USSR) - the first successful flight 31.07.1970,:

          PPS I don’t know, maybe it’s necessary, as under Joseph Vissarionovich, to Roskosmos "supervised" not by all "effective" "rogozins", but the leadership of the FSB and the Ministry of Internal Affairs (with personal responsibility, up to criminal? request

          I am aware of BORs and Spirals. These experiments are already 50 ... 40 years old. Doesn't count. These specialists no longer exist, technologies and materials have changed, aerodynamic developments have expanded, the documentation has become fragmented. The work on "BORs" is a help, but small, everything must be started from scratch.

          I only agree with PPS, but "who will put him in jail."
          1. venik
            venik 8 October 2020 15: 58 New
            -1
            Quote: Avis
            I am aware of BORs and Spirals. These experiments are already 50 ... 40 years old. Doesn't count. These specialists are no longer there, technologies and materials have changed, aerodynamic developments have expanded,

            =======
            Sergei! So I brought it EXCLUSIVELY as an "EXAMPLE"! In the same India, there can be a lot of such "effective cattails" ... And not only in India ...
            ------------
            Quote: Avis
            I only agree with PPS, but "who will put him in jail."

            ========
            That's the fact our trouble! Himself - not a supporter of repression ..... But sometimes it seems that for "complete happiness" we need, that behind the back of EVERY official who controls cash flows - stood reliable a man with a large and knotty stick, who would regularly hit a bureaucrat on the head and "naughty hands" who reach "where they should not" (namely, to PUBLIC money!) ...
            That's just WHERE a number reliable people to take? request
  • Civil
    Civil 8 October 2020 12: 14 New
    -6
    All this was filmed in Bollywood, staged))) it was an Indian scammer who invented everything. This is a hint for Rogozin.
  • Piramidon
    Piramidon 8 October 2020 15: 59 New
    -1
    Quote: Avis
    in 2016, India has already conducted an RLV descent from an altitude of 65 km and its return at a speed of about Mach 5

    I wonder how and with what they dragged him to an altitude of 65 km?
  • Lord of the Sith
    Lord of the Sith 8 October 2020 19: 47 New
    -1
    Us, who is this? Sumerov?))
  • vVvAD
    vVvAD 9 October 2020 10: 12 New
    0
    One can only rejoice for India. And we still have sadness, sadness. crying
    Already their experience is just right to adopt - their financial capabilities are not Chinese, perhaps more modest than ours, but they are testing a reusable rocket and a returnable automatic shuttle.
  • Andrew 40
    Andrew 40 9 October 2020 11: 33 New
    0
    But we have an effective manager and just a dreamer. Rogozin.
  • Vadim237
    Vadim237 8 October 2020 11: 46 New
    +4
    Success to the Indians in creating a reusable rocket and spacecraft.
  • voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 8 October 2020 11: 53 New
    -2
    As it turns out, the Indians can not only sing and dance? belay
    1. slipped
      slipped 8 October 2020 12: 41 New
      +2
      Quote: voyaka uh
      As it turns out, the Indians can not only sing and dance? belay


      Russia regularly helps its partner. For example, here is the diagram showing Russian participation in their manned project. In blue:

      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 8 October 2020 12: 57 New
        0
        With astronauts, help - yes.
        But they themselves learned to make rockets. Unions don't copy.
        1. slipped
          slipped 8 October 2020 13: 02 New
          +4
          Quote: voyaka uh
          With astronauts, help - yes.
          But they themselves learned to make rockets. Unions don't copy.


          Russia has transferred cryogenic technologies to India in terms of the upper stages and their filling. And at one time they bought a complete step from us.
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 8 October 2020 13: 16 New
      +2
      The question is when Israel will join space exploration in such a way.
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 8 October 2020 14: 03 New
        +1
        Israel has been designing satellites for a long time.
        Plus, a dozen space startup firms have emerged.
        But they are in the field of various devices in "space" performance. And chips
        sensors. All this is sold to large companies that make rockets and satellites.
        In this direction, Israel is going to the new NASA lunar program
        join. As a sub-contractor.
    3. Piramidon
      Piramidon 8 October 2020 16: 08 New
      +1
      Quote: voyaka uh
      As it turns out indians can not only sing and dance?

      Alexey, you, obviously, have beguiled something. Maybe Indians?
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 8 October 2020 19: 55 New
        +2
        I didn’t confuse it, but the built-in automatic corrector in the tablet.
        He is a whole head sick. wassat
        It is necessary to check every word before publishing.
        For some reason, he loves not Indians, but Indians.
        1. Piramidon
          Piramidon 8 October 2020 22: 04 New
          -2
          Quote: voyaka uh
          For some reason, he loves not Indians, but Indians

          Apparently, you have an American device. Judging by the fact that even for their politicians it is absolutely parallel that Austria and Australia. What Georgia, what Georgia (state)laughing
    4. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 8 October 2020 16: 30 New
      0
      Quote: voyaka uh
      As it turns out, the Indians can not only sing and dance? belay

      Indians or Indians?
      1. Piramidon
        Piramidon 8 October 2020 18: 25 New
        -1
        Quote: mordvin xnumx
        Quote: voyaka uh
        As it turns out, the Indians can not only sing and dance? belay

        Indians or Indians?

        Your "Indians" are your delusion. It is correct to call the inhabitants of India - Indians. Once again, the people of India are Indians.
        Hindus are followers of Hinduism. In India, besides Hindus, there are also Muslims (200 million), Christians, Sikhs, Jains, Buddhists and animists - that is, not Hindus. And if you call them that, they, at least, will not be happy. hi
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 8 October 2020 19: 46 New
          0
          Quote: Piramidon
          Your "Indians" are your delusion. It is correct to call the inhabitants of India - Indians. Once again, the people of India are Indians.

          Thank you, as the Indians are used to, yes the Indians. Probably Vladimir Semyonovich is to blame, with his good religion, that the Indians came up with. wink
          1. Piramidon
            Piramidon 8 October 2020 21: 58 New
            -1
            Quote: Mordvin 3
            Probably Vladimir Semyonovich is to blame, with his good religion, that the Indians came up with.

            Vladimir Semenovich put it all right, just meaning not all Indians, namely Hindus (by religion) and their religion with the alleged possibility of reincarnation. Some people just misunderstood him, believing that he was talking about the entire population of India. hi
  • Alexey Sommer
    Alexey Sommer 8 October 2020 11: 56 New
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    Nobody forbids preparing for the TESTS.
    Even I can prepare models for tests. Let's sit on the shore. It makes no sense to get hot.
    ps Success to the Indians!
    1. Antidote
      Antidote 8 October 2020 12: 05 New
      -1
      Any "sit on the shore" = fall behind. Unfortunately, we have been sitting on the shore for a long time, hoping for a "hit"
      1. Alexey Sommer
        Alexey Sommer 8 October 2020 13: 20 New
        +1
        Quote: Antidote
        Any "sit on the shore" = fall behind. Unfortunately, we have been sitting on the shore for a long time, hoping for a "hit"

        Read about the transport energy module, it may become easier for you.
        Everything suits me in my life.
        I am not lagging behind, but catching up, and overtaking many at a normal pace.
        What do you want! hi
  • Jacket in stock
    Jacket in stock 8 October 2020 11: 59 New
    +4
    Sloppy translation. Clumsy editing.
    In one paragraph about a reusable rocket.
    In others, about a reusable orbiter.
    I still do not understand what is called a shuttle here.
  • Gunther
    Gunther 8 October 2020 12: 11 New
    -2
    Interestingly, the background will be like the Chinese "pumpkins", with air bubbles slowly floating up)))))))
  • Gunther
    Gunther 8 October 2020 12: 14 New
    +3
    Quote: Avis
    ...... Tryndets. India has already passed us in space.


    Yeah, they would still learn to build submarines, and soar, above us ...
    1. Reviews
      Reviews 8 October 2020 12: 31 New
      -4
      Quote: Gunter
      Quote: Avis
      ...... Tryndets. India has already passed us in space.


      Yeah, they would still learn to build submarines, and soar, above us ...

      "... and there is an uncle in Kiev." Read the article first.
  • Gunther
    Gunther 8 October 2020 12: 20 New
    +2
    Quote: voyaka uh
    As it turns out, the Indians can not only sing and dance? belay

    yes, they also know how to whistle, no worse than the Chinese. laughing
  • maktub
    maktub 8 October 2020 12: 29 New
    -1
    It's a pity the Energia-Buran program was shut down
  • Narak-zempo
    Narak-zempo 8 October 2020 12: 31 New
    +1
    They made me laugh. Well, Rogozin is just resting.
    Where is India, and where are reusable ships.
    Well, yes, they were able to rivet a glider from the pictures of the X37. And they will even put the engines on it and fire it from a helicopter into the white light.
    But where will they get the equipment capable of training flight and landing in unmanned mode, even if they cannot rivet a decent machine gun?
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 8 October 2020 13: 18 New
      +1
      As where in Russia, of course, our space enterprises are engaged in the development and sale of such equipment - to order.
      1. Narak-zempo
        Narak-zempo 8 October 2020 13: 20 New
        +1
        Quote: Vadim237
        As where in Russia, of course, our space enterprises are engaged in the development and sale of such equipment - to order.

        So the Indians want everything at once, including the transfer of technology, at the same time for a penny. If they could not agree on tanks and aircraft with anyone, then why would they suddenly be able to use equipment?
  • faiver
    faiver 8 October 2020 12: 33 New
    +2
    It is noteworthy that the RLV space shuttle is planned to be lifted by a helicopter and launched from a height of 4 kilometers.
    - after this phrase, it became clear that something was wrong here, apparently everything is not so in the article ...
  • Knell wardenheart
    Knell wardenheart 8 October 2020 13: 27 New
    +1
    I take off my turban in front of the country of "tea with an elephant".
  • kombat1976
    kombat1976 8 October 2020 13: 45 New
    -2
    Eh Buran - Buran, how hot people from the south won't accumulate you
  • thinker
    thinker 8 October 2020 14: 28 New
    0
    Quote: Insurgent
    India is just at the beginning of a difficult and long journey ...

    This is closer to the truth, it is not clear where so much enthusiasm comes from with six successful launches last year and zero this year. request
  • Whirlwind
    Whirlwind 8 October 2020 16: 23 New
    +1
    At first, the author of the article drives "to health", they say, "In November-December 2020, India is going to test a reusable launch vehicle Reusable Launch Vehicle (RLV-TD)!" That is, how to launch this product into space.
    Then the author begins to move from the launch vehicle to the "shuttle" ...
    And he ends up "for the repose." No launch vehicle or space shuttle. From a helicopter at an altitude of 4 km. drop the small model and watch the landing. Here you go ...
    And the spears are broken, as if India has overtaken the whole World a hundred times and has long been waiting for it in the Andromeda Nebula.
  • fa2998
    fa2998 8 October 2020 17: 27 New
    +2
    Quote: Nasr
    Quote: Avis
    ]
    No, this is a case when someone cannot read. ...

    No, no, this is the case when someone throws it on the fan .... without even running through the article with his eyes .... seeing only the title - he gave a comment ... laughing

    I'm reading articles. Now (08.10.20/50/7) India has not bypassed us! But there are thoughts that our astronautics, under the guidance of "effective managers" will soon let newcomers into space. Yes, India has no money yet, but there is Japan, China and There are developments, with proper funding, they will bear fruit! But they have not been spinning on the royal P-XNUMX for XNUMX years, and amuse ourselves that we are the first.
    1. faiver
      faiver 8 October 2020 17: 50 New
      +1
      Yes, India has no money yet
      - that's what, what, but India has money
    2. slipped
      slipped 8 October 2020 19: 27 New
      +1
      Quote: fa2998
      But they have not been spinning for 50 years on the royal P-7, and amuse ourselves that we are the first.


      Firstly, this good rocket will last for 10 years. Secondly, new launch vehicles are being created, here they are in comparison with the Soyuz in the figure:



      The assembly of the first Soyuz-5 will begin next year. The Soyuz-LNG ROC was renamed to the Amur-LNG ROC, a state contract was signed to create a draft design, and the carrier itself was named Amur. The contract for Soyuz-6 is possible next year.
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 8 October 2020 22: 18 New
        -1
        Soyuz-5 will be on 4 engines? What kind of engines are these?
        1. slipped
          slipped 8 October 2020 22: 30 New
          +2
          Quote: voyaka uh
          Soyuz-5 will be on 4 engines? What kind of engines are these?


          What "four engines"? belay This is a four-chamber RD-171MV



          on the second stage, two two-chamber RD-0124MS on a common frame.
          1. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 9 October 2020 00: 30 New
            +1
            Thank you for the clarification good
      2. fa2998
        fa2998 9 October 2020 06: 49 New
        -1
        We can draw pictures! And draw cartoons. I just want to ask our rocket scientists, why was the same Energia, Angara, etc. created. Not those rockets, why throw away taxpayers' money? And these "super rockets" will also stretch for 20 years.
        How does the Federation ship live? It takes 30 years to assemble the ship?
  • zwlad
    zwlad 9 October 2020 13: 55 New
    0
    Well done Indians, what else to say.
  • zwlad
    zwlad 9 October 2020 14: 17 New
    0
    Quote: Narak-zempo
    Where will they get it, even if they can't rivet a decent machine gun?

    why should they rivet a decent machine gun? it can be bought inexpensively. But they can easily rivet control systems. And the most interesting thing is also from its components (or its development).