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Israeli Iskander. OTRK LORA

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OTRK LORA of the Azerbaijani army, photo: press service of the President of Azerbaijan


In the modern world, interest in high-precision arms consistently high. At the same time, the positions of Russia and the United States are strong on the market of operational-tactical missile systems. Both countries have Iskander-E and MGM-140 ATACMS systems in their military export portfolios. Israel is ready to compete with the two countries, in which Israel Aircraft Industries (IAI) has developed its own operational-tactical missile system LORA.

Interest in such weapons has increased against the backdrop of another aggravation of the Karabakh conflict between Azerbaijan and the unrecognized Nagorno-Karabakh, which is supported by Armenia. The Armenian army is armed with Russian Iskander-E complexes. The Azerbaijani army is armed with Israeli LORA complexes. It is believed that it was Azerbaijan that became the first foreign customer of these OTRK. At the same time, the complex has already been used in combat conditions. It is believed that this particular complex was used on October 2, 2020 to destroy the road bridge across the Akari River, connecting the territory of Armenia with Nagorno-Karabakh.

It is worth noting that during the offensive launched at the end of September 2020, Baku is actively using all available weapons: numerous MLRS systems, the Israeli LORA OTRK, Israeli and Turkish drones, the Russian heavy flamethrower system TOS-1A "Solntsepek" and other samples military equipment.

Development of OTRK LORA


Operational-tactical missile systems are modern high-precision weapons that can hit important targets in the operational rear of the enemy. These complexes are suitable for engaging both relatively small and area targets in the depth of the operational formation of enemy troops, usually at a distance of up to 500 km. Traditional targets for OTRK are command posts and communication centers, airfields, positions of air defense systems, military bases, columns of military equipment on the march or in places of concentration, important infrastructure facilities (for example, bridges, warehouses).

Israeli Iskander. OTRK LORA
Israeli OTRK LORA

Israel, which is all modern history of its existence is located in the ring of unfriendly Arab countries, was also interested in the possession of such weapons of its own production. Fortunately, OTRKs can play the role of a deterrent and are in demand on the international arms market, which is also very important. Possessing a developed defense industry, Israel began developing its own operational-tactical missile system in the early 2000s.

The first media reports about the new Israeli development appeared at the end of 2003. Then India showed interest in the new rocket. Moreover, the development was so secret at that time that the official representatives of the Israeli Ministry of Defense, after publishing materials in the press about India's interest in the new Israeli complex, denied the very existence of the missile.

It is known that successful tests of the new missile were carried out in March 2004 in the Mediterranean Sea, after which Israel stepped up its attempts to sell the new product on the international market. In 2007, a full-fledged debut of a solid-propellant rocket took place at the international Paris air show, which is held at Le Bourget airport, 12 kilometers from the French capital. The new complex was officially adopted by the Israeli army in 2011, while it was the Israelis who for a long time remained the only operator of the OTRK, until in 2018 the first complexes were transferred to Azerbaijan, which held an open presentation of new products.


The defeat of a floating sea target by a LORA rocket, photo: www.iai.co.il

Among other things, Azerbaijan then received the Belarusian MLRS "Polonez". This Belarusian complex, using Chinese missiles, in some configurations comes close in its capabilities to modern OTRK both in missile launch range and in the mass of warheads used. It is noteworthy that the novelties were demonstrated by Azerbaijan in June 2018 at one military base, as noted in the media, during the opening of a new unit of the missile forces of the Azerbaijani Defense Ministry by President Ilham Aliyev. Both novelties presented at that time were based on a wheeled chassis of Belarusian production: types MZKT and MAZ.

What is known about the LORA complex?


The Israeli LORA tactical missile system is based on the eponymous single-stage solid-propellant ballistic missile. The abbreviation itself stands for Long-Range Artillery Missile. The complex was originally designed for use in both land and sea deployment options. The last tests of the complex from an offshore platform with shooting at small-sized floating targets were carried out quite recently, on June 2, 2020. During the tests, two missiles were launched at a range of 90 and 400 kilometers. Both missiles successfully hit the floating target shields, and the tests themselves were deemed successful.

According to IAI specialists, LORA missiles deployed on mobile or offshore platforms are capable of effectively hitting targets located deep in enemy territory, including strategically important targets. The missile is capable of hitting not only stationary but also maneuvering targets. As noted on the manufacturer's website, missiles can be launched in a matter of minutes, even from unprepared positions. At the same time, any target, the location of which is known and which is within the reach of the missile, can be attacked and destroyed in less than 10 minutes from the moment the decision was made to launch.


Launch of the LORA rocket from the ship on June 2, 2020, photo: www.iai.co.il

The LORA rocket itself is shipped and stored in an airtight transport and launch container (TPK), which ensures low maintenance costs. The shelf life of the rocket in the field without the need for preventive maintenance is 7 years. The complex itself is a package of four TPK. Such a package of four integrated transport and launch containers can be easily stowed on any 16-ton platform truck. In particular, the LORA complexes supplied to Azerbaijan are based on the chassis of the Belarusian MZKT. When the complex is located at sea, it can be installed directly on the deck of the ship.

According to information on the website of the Israel Aircraft Industries, LORA missiles are able to hit targets at a distance of 90 to 430 kilometers. The manufacturer declared the following characteristics of the rocket: diameter - 625 mm, length - 5,2 meters, weight - 1600 kg. The rocket is equipped with a single-stage solid-propellant rocket engine. It is emphasized that the entire electronic filling of the rocket is presented on solid-state components, the rudder drives are electric (the rocket has no hydraulics and hydraulic elements).

The rocket is equipped with an inertial navigation system for targeting, which is combined with GPS navigation. The circular probable deflection of the missile declared by the manufacturer does not exceed 10 meters within the effective range. It is known that the missile can be equipped with two types of warheads - high-explosive fragmentation and penetrating. The manufacturer does not disclose the mass of the missile warhead, but in open sources you can find information that at least three different warheads weighing 240, 400-440 and 600 kg are available. Depending on the used warhead, the maximum range of the missile also changes.


Rocket LORA, photo: www.iai.co.il

The manufacturer sees the standard form of the LORA operational-tactical missile complex battery as follows: a battery command post, 4 launchers on a wheeled or tracked chassis (4 missiles in a TPK on each), 4 transport-loading vehicles (4 missiles in a TPK on each) ...
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  1. nnm
    nnm 9 October 2020 18: 07
    11
    And the bridge was not destroyed ...
    1. lucul
      lucul 9 October 2020 18: 11
      -10 qualifying.
      And the bridge was not destroyed ...

      Hush, this article so that the oppas do not become limp after Zircon ...)))
      1. demon
        demon 9 October 2020 18: 29
        -10 qualifying.
        ... so as not to become limp after "Zircon"
        - and for those who don't watch cartoons, can you?
        1. nnm
          nnm 9 October 2020 18: 34
          +4
          And what about "Zircon", let me inquire, was there also a cartoon? Prosto ranks of the Pentagon and amerikanskie voennye analytics amicably began to discuss options for counteraction, and ono, vona, che, Mikhalych, .. multik
          1. demon
            demon 9 October 2020 18: 38
            -10 qualifying.
            But what about without a cartoon? Even Putin himself is unlikely to be believed
        2. lucul
          lucul 9 October 2020 18: 40
          +5
          - and for those who don't watch cartoons, can you?

          I will be glad if you think that these are all cartoons)))
        3. Voyager
          Voyager 9 October 2020 18: 49
          +1
          Quote: iblis
          do not look

          Look-look, go more often than others
    2. OgnennyiKotik
      OgnennyiKotik 9 October 2020 18: 18
      +9
      So it is not intended against infrastructure objects. Like Iskander. Their task is to hit the headquarters, air defense positions, artillery, MLRS, etc. On targets, hitting which from the KVO 10 meters is not critical.
      1. mark1
        mark1 9 October 2020 18: 27
        10
        The mouse can't. Well, you know, comrades, a mouse is ... ... a small predator. And I work for a large horned, that is ... this ... ... predator: a lion, a tiger. ... I don't do monkeys. Give me a tiger, a lion, this ... leopard
      2. nnm
        nnm 9 October 2020 18: 28
        +5
        How do you say ...
        Traditional targets for OTRK are command posts and communication centers, airfields, positions of air defense systems, military bases, convoys of military equipment on the march or in places of concentration, important infrastructure facilities (for example, bridges, warehouses).

        Why comment if you haven't even read the article?
        laughing hi
        1. OgnennyiKotik
          OgnennyiKotik 9 October 2020 18: 49
          +3
          Quote: nnm
          even if you haven't read the article?

          The fact that this is an article on this site does not make all the information written in it correct.
          Referring to the official website of the manufacturer Iskander-E
          https://www.npovk.ru/produktsiya/operativno-takticheskie-raketnye-kompleksy-/
          Appointment of OTRK

          Combat installations are used in the conduct of hostilities for the following purposes:
          the defeat of missile systems, multiple launch rocket systems of the enemy;
          disabling anti-missile and air defense systems;
          striking aircrafts located on the territory of airfields (airplanes, helicopters);
          termination of the functioning of command posts and facilities providing communication.

          Let's refer to the official website of the LORA manufacturer. https://www.iai.co.il/p/lora

          Accurate Hit, Wide Range of Targets: Tactical SSM, MLRS units, Air bases, Air and Missile defense units, Command posts, Military infrastructure
          Maintenance: No missile preventive maintenance - wooden round
          Fast Reaction: Minutes from command-to-target hit
          Guidance: GPS / INS
          Penetration: Penetrates fortified targets
          Compact:
          Land - 4 sealed missiles on a regular 16 ton flat-bed truck
          Maritime - Very small deck space needed

          If you are confused by the phrase Military infrastructure, then here is its definition:
          Military infrastructure
          A set of military facilities and individual structures designed to ensure the performance by troops of strategic, operational-strategic, operational and combat missions of armed struggle, as well as for the deployment and conduct of daily training of troops and maintenance of military production in peacetime. In and. includes: command posts, troop deployment points, airfields, naval bases, missile positions, communication systems, terrain engineering equipment systems, training grounds, warehouses, etc.
      3. Aaron Zawi
        Aaron Zawi 9 October 2020 18: 37
        +8
        Quote: OgnennyiKotik
        So it is not intended against infrastructure objects. Like Iskander. Their task is to hit the headquarters, air defense positions, artillery, MLRS, etc. On targets, hitting which from the KVO 10 meters is not critical.

        Why not. If they had hit a little more accurately, they would have ruined the bridge too.
        We could have shied another one, but apparently it was enough so that the armored vehicles would not walk across the bridge.

        1. OgnennyiKotik
          OgnennyiKotik 9 October 2020 18: 53
          -2
          Quote: Aron Zaavi
          Well why.

          So say the manufacturers of these complexes, who am I to argue with them?
        2. Professor
          Professor 9 October 2020 19: 09
          13
          Quote: Aron Zaavi
          Well why.

          Because there are Delilahs and Spies for bridges. LAURA for other purposes.

          PS
          Iskander Russian "LORA". Isn't it the title of the article? wassat
          1. Spike Javelin Touvich
            Spike Javelin Touvich 9 October 2020 21: 53
            +3
            I remember you said that the Syrian shells were destroyed by the Delilah (what does this have to do with massive concrete structures), can you share for what purpose Laura?
            1. Professor
              Professor 9 October 2020 22: 26
              -2
              Quote: Spikes Javelin Touvich
              I remember you said that the Syrian shells were destroyed by the Delilah (what does this have to do with massive concrete structures), can you share for what purpose Laura?

              ...presidential palace
              1. Spike Javelin Touvich
                Spike Javelin Touvich 9 October 2020 22: 33
                +6
                Oleg again does not fit, you want to say that Laura is redundant for such a small bridge, but for the presidential palace it’s just that, so why is the bridge not destroyed? , especially since there are no traces of a crater under the bridge.
                I understand you are an ATGM specialist, but missiles
                1. Professor
                  Professor 10 October 2020 08: 33
                  +4
                  Quote: Spikes Javelin Touvich
                  Oleg again does not fit, you want to say that Laura is redundant for such a small bridge, but for the presidential palace it’s just that, so why is the bridge not destroyed? , especially since there are no traces of a crater under the bridge.
                  I understand you are an ATGM specialist, but missiles

                  1. LAURA in a small bridge can miss. Delilah and Spice enter the window.
                  2. LORA will not miss the presidential palace just as he will not miss the nuclear power plant.
                  3. Was the task to destroy the bridge and leave thousands of refugees, Armenian refugees, on the territory of Azerbaijan. The rocket hit the bridge.
                  4. The funnel does not remain on the water.

                  PS
                  2006




                  1. Spike Javelin Touvich
                    Spike Javelin Touvich 10 October 2020 10: 07
                    +2
                    If the photographs of the consequences from the distance, then I am very surprised by such destruction, it turns out that Delilah has several types of warheads for different purposes, otherwise we would not have seen clearly photographs of the destroyed shells where you can still distinguish the antennas and launch containers of the shells, in case the shell was hit the fact that bridges from them and dust would not remain.
                    Photos are great, thanks
                    1. Professor
                      Professor 10 October 2020 10: 14
                      +4
                      I did not write that the bridges were destroyed by the Delilah. I mean, it's better to destroy the bridge not by LORO.
                      1. Spike Javelin Touvich
                        Spike Javelin Touvich 10 October 2020 11: 01
                        +3
                        Quote: Professor
                        I mean, it's better to destroy the bridge not by LORO

                        I disagree, the reality is
                        Laura is the best thing in Azerbaijan's arsenal.
                        Aviation will not fly close to the bridge.
                        Drones do not have ammunition in their arsenal to destroy the bridge.
                        it is better not to write about cannon artillery and MLRS.
                        from the front line to the bridge is more than 70 km, so there is nothing better than Laura in Azerbaijan's arsenal that could be used.


                        Your PS photos inspired nostalgia when you posted articles.
                        business of course yours can not spread here to see prices.
                        but the pictures from the Strategy Page would not hurt good
                      2. Professor
                        Professor 10 October 2020 20: 10
                        -1
                        Azerbaijan's arsenal has smaller-caliber precision missiles, which are sufficient for such a bridge. However, it seems to me they did not want to destroy the bridge, otherwise the blow would be repeated. At least the same LAURES.
                2. Isim soyad
                  Isim soyad 10 October 2020 12: 28
                  0
                  3. Was the task to destroy the bridge and leave thousands of refugees, Armenian refugees, on the territory of Azerbaijan. The rocket hit the bridge.


                  And I also thought, why blow up the bridge, if we want them to free NK, and we ourselves blow up almost the only way out. After looking at the video, I understand that they wanted to damage the bridge, "partially"so that they think that they have missed now, and then no, and we will stay here, so we will quickly leave. And + more, that we also have something to answer. IMHO
                  1. alexmach
                    alexmach 10 October 2020 12: 45
                    +1
                    After looking at the video, I understood that they wanted to damage the bridge, "partially", so that they thought that they missed now, and then no, and we will stay here, so we will quickly leave

                    Yes, yes, they didn't, but they didn't really want to .... "fox and grapes" straight.
                    The bridge was blown up to block the possibility of the arrival of reinforcements.
                    1. Isim soyad
                      Isim soyad 10 October 2020 12: 53
                      -1
                      And the possibility of the approach of reinforcements, this is already an aggression on the part of Armenia, and this is already an attack on a foreign Republic, and this is already what the CSTO, Armenia is face to face with Azerbaijan. So that was not the plan. If only it was in the plan, then they would have launched a couple of three laura, and much more. Here you needed an imitation of a blow, and a direction, you are there, to Armenia. Which worked well.
                    2. alexmach
                      alexmach 10 October 2020 12: 57
                      -1
                      Well, yes .. And the mobilization in Armenni is just being carried out. Tales of the Vienna Woods.
                    3. Isim soyad
                      Isim soyad 10 October 2020 13: 02
                      -1
                      This is for recycling, let them go. And from a political point of view, this gives little reason, you can avoid it, prove it 50/50, but missiles, heavy equipment and so on, this is not how, as soon as they violate / enter, they will be shot down, here is proof for you ...
                    4. alexmach
                      alexmach 10 October 2020 13: 07
                      +1
                      This is for recycling, let them go

                      Well, they don't need a bridge for that, right?
                      And from a political point of view, this gives little reason ..

                      Empty blah blah ball.
                      Simple fact. They were shooting across the bridge. They shot with the aim of destroying (no matter what they say, they don't shoot with other targets in the war). They could not complete the task. That's all.
                    5. Isim soyad
                      Isim soyad 10 October 2020 13: 10
                      +1
                      Even if you theoretically imagine that you are saying correctly, there is still a deviation of 2-3 m, this is already super. As they say, if it was in the plan, then not poor, and not greedy, most likely they will not miss the next time. Good luck to you.
        3. Pilat2009
          Pilat2009 10 October 2020 15: 59
          +1
          Quote: Professor
          Was the task to destroy the bridge and leave thousands of refugees, Armenian refugees, in the territory of Azerbaijan? The rocket hit the bridge.

          I think this is all otmazki. Why then shoot across the bridge?
          1. Professor
            Professor 10 October 2020 20: 13
            0
            Quote: Pilat2009
            Quote: Professor
            Was the task to destroy the bridge and leave thousands of refugees, Armenian refugees, in the territory of Azerbaijan? The rocket hit the bridge.

            I think this is all otmazki. Why then shoot across the bridge?

            1. There was no repeated strike on the bridge. Out of ammunition or has Yom Kippur begun?
            2. They could shoot to demonstrate their strength.
    3. Rossiyanin
      Rossiyanin 10 October 2020 20: 17
      0
      Are you talking about the white house? clear.
  • fn34440
    fn34440 9 October 2020 18: 51
    -5
    "So it is not intended against infrastructure facilities. Just like Iskander. Their task is to hit headquarters, air defense positions, artillery, MLRS, etc. On targets, hitting which from the KVO 10 meters is not critical."
    Fiery Kitty, do not forget about the best friend of Russia and all Orthodox Christians in the world, Sasha Lukashenko (Armenians, Christians) .And President of Azerbaijan Ilham Aliyev was photographed against the background of ... Belarusian MAZ tractors, whose cargo area was crowned with launch containers with Israeli missiles ... The same vehicles were found in the use of IAI Harop kamikaze drones during the repeated study of Azerbaijani military equipment. Whether these vehicles were supplied specifically for missiles and drones is unknown, but such a coincidence makes one wonder whether the Belarusian factories received a technical assignment for the production of special versions of trucks or not.
    This is our beloved Lukashenka. And here are the guys from the Motherland of Christ:
    The cost of one LORA complex with missiles, according to foreign estimates, could be from $ 100 to $ 150 million. In addition, Azerbaijan could purchase up to 50 such missiles at a price of $ 2020 million per unit. This contract could become an ordinary event in the arms export, if not for one small event. Tests of the LORA missile (to be precise, just shooting at a target) Israel conducted in June XNUMX - exactly a couple of months before the start of the escalation of the conflict in Nagorno-Karabakh. They did not hide the purpose of the shooting: "demonstration of the complex's capabilities to potential customers.
    1. SaLaR
      SaLaR 9 October 2020 21: 39
      10
      And there are no Russian weapons in Azerbaijan .... It's already sick to read .. "" "" "" "". In the summer of 2018, the Armenian press wrote:
      "It is in this sense that the supply by both Belarus (presumably 10 units of Polonez) and Russia (18 units of Smerchi were supplied) of such equipment is a threat to the civilian population of Armenia and the Nagorno-Karabakh Republic." ""
  • Lopatov
    Lopatov 9 October 2020 19: 03
    +9
    Quote: OgnennyiKotik
    So it is not intended against infrastructure objects. Like Iskander.

    ??
    Still as intended.
    They were just greedy. If several missiles were launched, the bridge would be disabled.
    1. OgnennyiKotik
      OgnennyiKotik 9 October 2020 19: 08
      -3
      Quote: Spade
      They were just greedy. If several missiles were launched, the bridge would be disabled.

      Several hundred missiles can be fired and a small city will be destroyed. Yes, by firing more missiles, the bridge would have been destroyed, according to the same logic, airfields, just asphalt roads can be bombed. What these complexes are intended for, according to their manufacturers, I wrote above. And Iskander and Laura.
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 9 October 2020 19: 13
        +3
        Quote: OgnennyiKotik
        What are these complexes intended for, according to their manufacturers?

        laughing
        I'm afraid the opinion of the manufacturers can be ignored from the high bell tower. For they do not apply these RK.

        Quote: OgnennyiKotik
        Several hundred missiles can be fired

        For reference: WTO is a weapon that is capable of hitting a target with a probability of 0.5 or more
  • bobwings
    bobwings 9 October 2020 18: 23
    10
    KVO Laura 10 meters, hit the bridge support.
    Another 3 meters and would have hit the center.
    So everything is within the characteristics.
    1. nnm
      nnm 9 October 2020 18: 30
      -3
      now if my grandmother had ...
      It's like the Germans - "another ten kilometers" and would have taken Moscow. A little more and "Yamato" would have reeled everyone on the screws, just a little bit and the Germans created a poisonous weapon. In war, as in history, there are no subjunctive moods.
    2. alexmach
      alexmach 10 October 2020 01: 04
      0
      I'm more interested in a funny statement about shooting at moving targets. How do they do it? How did those naval shields hit? For this, the inertial + GPS guidance system is clearly not enough. The same possibilities were announced for the Iskander.
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 10 October 2020 12: 08
        +6
        Neither Laura nor Iskander can shoot at moving targets. Both missiles
        inertial guidance, GPS or GLONASS, plus correction in the last couple of seconds.
        Iskander has a radar in the GOS, Laura has an IR TV camera.
        Small correction - reduces possible miss to + - 10 m
        1. alexmach
          alexmach 10 October 2020 12: 39
          0
          Ah .. well, that means there is still a seeker in the final section. Without her, an accurate hit on the shield would have been impossible.
          1. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 10 October 2020 13: 37
            +4
            Such BRs have difficulty not only with the seeker (the rocket head is overheated,
            The seeker only works for a second with the final "braking"), and with the
            correction means: gas and aerodynamic rudders.
            Gas (four holes in the bow) do not work well in the atmosphere,
            and the aerodynamic ones (wings) are very small. They do not have time to correct.
            Cruise missiles that fly many times slower can be adjusted to 1 m CEP.
        2. 3danimal
          3danimal 10 October 2020 15: 59
          0
          Then the question is: how are they going to use the air-launched Iskander (Dagger) against sea targets?
          1. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 10 October 2020 17: 07
            +3
            The dagger will be used on strategic fixed targets.
            And launch from an airplane - to win with a hitting distance.
            And avoid hitting the launcher before launching the missiles.
            1. 3danimal
              3danimal 10 October 2020 17: 33
              0
              On this forum, they often hoped for the possibility of its anti-ship use. smile
            2. _Ugene_
              _Ugene_ 11 October 2020 20: 20
              0
              and then why was Laura shown on sea shields? ships have the ability to move
              1. voyaka uh
                voyaka uh 11 October 2020 23: 01
                +1
                There is simply no place in Israel to experience it. laughing
                The country is small.
                So you have to idiotically load the car with launchers onto the barge and shoot at the shields in the sea.
                It is impossible to apply Laura as a RCC
  • Lopatov
    Lopatov 9 October 2020 19: 24
    +4
    Quote: nnm
    And the bridge was not destroyed ...

    So "Laura" is by no means an analogue of "Iskander"
    Rather, a "cheap-cheerful" system with much more downtime and a cheap control system
    1. ccsr
      ccsr 9 October 2020 20: 02
      -9
      Quote: Spade
      So "Laura" is by no means an analogue of "Iskander"
      Rather, a "cheap-cheerful" system with much more downtime and a cheap control system

      Absolutely spotted. But will the Israelis be able to admit this, they have to prove to everyone that they have reached the level of Iskander.
      As for the Laura missiles themselves, there are 90% of American ears sticking out, but this is the "big" secret of the Israelis.
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 9 October 2020 20: 13
        +3
        Quote: ccsr
        But will the Israelis be able to admit this, they have to prove to everyone that they have reached the level of Iskander.

        They don't seem to pretend.
        They have no potential adversaries capable of countering missile strikes at the NATO level. The Iskander was once designed for exactly these requirements.
      2. Vitaly gusin
        Vitaly gusin 9 October 2020 22: 46
        -2
        Quote: ccsr
        Absolutely spotted. But will the Israelis be able to admit this, they have to prove to everyone that they have reached the level of Iskander.


        Can Iskander be launched from a barge or a container ship or another unremarkable vessel?
        1. Quadro
          Quadro 10 October 2020 00: 13
          -5
          Quote: Vitaly Gusin
          Quote: ccsr
          Absolutely spotted. But will the Israelis be able to admit this, they have to prove to everyone that they have reached the level of Iskander.


          Can Iskander be launched from a barge or a container ship or another unremarkable vessel?

          Clown, Do you know Caliber-K? It is generally released from a cargo container and is much more advanced. He scared the hedgehog with his bare ass, like bragging about ZUshka on a Toyota.
          1. Vitaly gusin
            Vitaly gusin 10 October 2020 06: 54
            +4
            Quote: Quadro
            Clown, Do you know the caliber-K?

            Why are you standing in front of the mirror?
            Written by "ISKANDEROV"
            Why compare different organs of the human body?
            "Lora" and "Iskander" are ballistic missiles of the same class.
            And the "Caliber-K" is a cruise missile, when they compare this type of weapon, that's when you insert your 3 penny.
        2. Jacket in stock
          Jacket in stock 10 October 2020 05: 57
          +6
          Quote: Vitaly Gusin
          Can Iskander be launched from a barge or a container ship or another unremarkable vessel?

          The video clearly shows that the "inconspicuous vessel" was stupidly loaded with a land launcher, that is, the entire truck.
          Why do you think that a truck with Iskanders cannot be loaded onto a barge?
          1. Vitaly gusin
            Vitaly gusin 10 October 2020 07: 23
            -3
            Quote: Jacket in stock
            The video clearly shows that the "inconspicuous vessel" was stupidly loaded with a land launcher, that is, the entire truck.

            And you would like to see a converted ship and hidden on it between ordinary containers and combat, you think that Israel will do such nonsense.
            Quote: Jacket in stock
            stupidly loaded the land launcher, that is, the entire truck.

            It was a commercial, promotional event after India refused to buy.
            Quote: Jacket in stock
            Why do you think that a truck with Iskanders cannot be loaded onto a barge?



            Does this answer suit you?
            And a few words in comparison of these two complexes.
            Yes, the Iskander complex is a serious, good complex, but not for modern warfare, such huge dinosaurs will be destroyed very quickly at any movement or after launch, it is not possible to hide it from modern eyes from the air. Therefore, we switched to containers.
            1. alexmach
              alexmach 10 October 2020 12: 46
              +1
              Yes, the Iskander complex is a serious, good complex, but not for modern warfare, such huge dinosaurs will be destroyed very quickly with any movement or after launch, it is impossible to hide it from modern eyes from the air

              Yes, and Laura on a 4-axle truck is a fluff, which you can hide and start it completely "without noise and dust." Yeah.
              1. Vitaly gusin
                Vitaly gusin 10 October 2020 13: 24
                -1
                Quote: alexmach
                Yes, and Laura on a 4-axle truck is a fluff, which you can hide and start it completely "without noise and dust."

                About the truck and containers, I already wrote above,
                Compare the two photos and answer your own question about noise, dust, fire and copper pipes.

        3. Lopatov
          Lopatov 10 October 2020 09: 09
          +3
          Quote: Vitaly Gusin
          Can Iskander be launched from a barge or a container ship or another unremarkable vessel?

          But why?
          However, the problem is easily solvable.
        4. ccsr
          ccsr 10 October 2020 09: 30
          0
          Quote: Vitaly Gusin
          Can Iskander be launched from a barge or a container ship or another unremarkable vessel?

          "Iskander" can destroy all this ship, like many infrastructure facilities of NATO countries - that's enough for us.
        5. ccsr
          ccsr 10 October 2020 09: 46
          +1
          Quote: Vitaly Gusin
          Can Iskander be launched from a barge or a container ship or another unremarkable vessel?

          Are you intimidating the Americans or are you giving instructions to Arab terrorists who will buy Laura from Azerbaijanis for a lot of money? The train of your thoughts is clear to me, but it is not clear what to hope for then for the cities of Israel, if it will be so easy to do all this.
          Tell us about your vision of the "problem" that our specialists warned the Americans about twenty years ago when they tried to explain to us how terrible Iranian missiles are and why they are deploying missile defense systems in Europe. So it turns out they shouldn't have listened to us then - your alternative option for deploying Laura's missiles is more dangerous for them than Iranian missiles in Asia. I am glad that the Israelis are making their significant contribution to the issue of Russia's security - let the Yankees now scratch their turnips after your recommendations ...
          1. Pilat2009
            Pilat2009 10 October 2020 16: 21
            0
            Quote: ccsr
            or give instructions to Arab terrorists who will buy Laura from Azerbaijanis for big money?

            Azerbaijan will not sell Laura to terrorists. Otherwise, all military cooperation will be covered with a copper basin. All installations are monitored and the loss of one of them, as well as the use, will cause a scandal.
            1. ccsr
              ccsr 11 October 2020 10: 03
              +1
              Quote: Pilat2009
              Azerbaijan will not sell Laura to terrorists.

              They will bring them into combat losses, or as captured by the enemy - you don't know that audience well.
              Quote: Pilat2009
              Otherwise, all military cooperation will be covered with a copper basin.

              Will not cover - the Israelis will not be very concerned about the weapons already sold.
              Quote: Pilat2009
              All installations are monitored and the loss of one of them, as well as the use, will cause a scandal

              Tell this to those who know the story of the Stringers, which the Americans hoped would only be used against Soviet troops. It is known what the Americans did from the idea of ​​buying them from the Mujahideen - the same can happen to Laura.
              1. Pilat2009
                Pilat2009 11 October 2020 13: 28
                -1
                Quote: ccsr
                They will bring them into combat losses, or as captured by the enemy - you don't know that audience well.

                Why are you not worried about the Iskander? Any country supplying weapons should be aware of the risk of losing technology. And take action accordingly. Perhaps the equipment of the complexes contains software bookmarks and beacons.
                We sold our S-400 to our Turkish friends.
                1. ccsr
                  ccsr 11 October 2020 17: 07
                  +1
                  Quote: Pilat2009
                  Why aren't you worried about the Iskander?

                  Why are we worried if we can grind any country into powder?
                  Quote: Pilat2009
                  We sold our S-400 to our Turkish friends.

                  So what follows from this? They are unlikely to use them to attack our country.
                  Quote: Pilat2009
                  Perhaps the equipment of the complexes contains software bookmarks and beacons.

                  Perhaps it is present, and perhaps it does not make sense to do them if the weapon is purely defensive and has a limited radius of destruction.
                  1. Pilat2009
                    Pilat2009 12 October 2020 05: 41
                    0
                    Quote: ccsr
                    Quote: Pilat2009
                    Why aren't you worried about the Iskander?

                    Why are we worried if we can grind any country into powder?
                    Quote: Pilat2009
                    We sold our S-400 to our Turkish friends.

                    So what follows from this? They are unlikely to use them to attack our country.
                    Quote: Pilat2009
                    Perhaps the equipment of the complexes contains software bookmarks and beacons.

                    Perhaps it is present, and perhaps it does not make sense to do them if the weapon is purely defensive and has a limited radius of destruction.

                    Well, you are drowning for terrorists. They will sell them and they will shoot. And we will erase someone in return. Therefore, you do not need to worry about Azerbaijan, worry about the Armenians.
                    1. ccsr
                      ccsr 12 October 2020 11: 45
                      +1
                      Quote: Pilat2009
                      Well, you are drowning for terrorists, they will sell them

                      I don’t drown for them, but do not hesitate, they knew about this method of using missiles twenty years ago. Therefore, they will look for any opportunity to get the same Laura - this is obvious.
                      Quote: Pilat2009
                      so don't worry about Azerbaijan, worry about Armenians

                      In general, I am not worried about these two republics - they are not our allies, and therefore they should be treated as potential buyers of our limited-action weapons. For a long time, the veil fell from our eyes - the collapse of the Union taught a lot, so we no longer believe in "brotherhood". Let them themselves get out with their Karabakh, all the more so as it will not be possible to solve the problem peacefully, and everyone who saw the collapse of the USSR understands this.
          2. Vitaly gusin
            Vitaly gusin 10 October 2020 20: 03
            +1
            Quote: ccsr
            You are intimidating the Americans or giving instructions to Arab terrorists,

            All I wrote is
            Can Iskander be launched from a barge or a container ship or another unremarkable vessel?
            I understand perfectly well that it is not possible to launch this product from a sea platform, but in response I received about terrorists and the like, explain what the connection is, and what is more, Iran and Russia's security.
            THANKS.
            1. ccsr
              ccsr 11 October 2020 10: 13
              -1
              Quote: Vitaly Gusin
              Explain what is the connection in this and, moreover, Iran and Russia's security.
              THANKS.

              You are either pretending, or the rumors about the cleverness of the citizens of Israel are greatly exaggerated. But if you really don't understand, then what's the point of discussing this with you?
          3. Vitaly gusin
            Vitaly gusin 11 October 2020 20: 11
            -1
            Quote: ccsr
            give instructions to Arab terrorists who will buy Laura from Azerbaijanis for big money?

            Currently, there is the fact that Syria is selling the terrorist organization Hizbalah in Lebanon, the Russian weapon Kornet, along with instructions. Perhaps in the future everything is possible, but in the nearest foreseeable future Azerbaijan will not cut the branch on which it has successfully and conveniently (as the facts show) sat down. Today it suits two states. Once Iran and Israel were great friends, but today it is different.
            The bombing was carried out in the suburbs of the al-Bukamal settlement, 5 kilometers west of the Syrian-Iraqi border. Israeli Air Force planes attacked from Jordanian airspace. The warehouses contained high-precision missiles that could be used against Israel.
            As they say, they are afraid not to give teeth in their mouths.
            Well, one warehouse more or less.
            Quote: ccsr
            I am glad that the Israelis are making their significant contribution to the issue of Russia's security - let the Yankees now scratch their turnips after your recommendations ...

            Someone else's grief, if it itches, let them scratch.
            The giraffe is big, he knows better (c)
        6. My doctor
          My doctor 11 October 2020 16: 43
          -1
          Quote: Vitaly Gusin
          Can Iskander be launched from a barge or a container ship or another unremarkable vessel?

          Uh, you can even from the Moon or Mars, the main thing is to deliver the launch complex there. Just like here on the barge there is a car, but only because there was no proving ground in Israel with such a length for testing.
          1. Vitaly gusin
            Vitaly gusin 11 October 2020 20: 29
            -2
            Quote: MyVrach
            Just like here on the barge there is a car, but only because there was no proving ground in Israel with such a length for testing.

            Why pick information out of the nose or from somewhere else when there is enough information about this test
            For YOU personally.
            The launches were carried out from a civilian vessel in the Mediterranean.
            The tests were carried out on the open sea and, among other things, demonstrated the capabilities of the complex to customers. Who these clients are is not reported,
            In addition to missiles and launchers, the complex includes a command and control system and ground (or sea) auxiliary equipment (ground / marine support system).
            The tests were carried out according to a full operational scenario and within their framework, the missile's maneuvering, attack and accuracy capabilities were tested, as well as various developments and technological improvements carried out by the company's team of engineers.
            LORA missiles are placed in a transport and launch container, which can be stored without maintenance for up to 7 years. The complex is also being developed in a marine version. In this case, the missiles can be placed in a standard sea transport container of four ammunition.
            It is indicated that due to the coronavirus, the tests were carried out by a small team that controlled the processes remotely, and also worked in compliance with the "capsule format".
            In conclusion
            The successful test was another good news for the citizens of Israel and bad news for Israel's enemies. "
            1. My doctor
              My doctor 12 October 2020 18: 01
              -1
              Quote: Vitaly Gusin
              Why pick information out of the nose or from somewhere else when there is enough information about this test

              Wow, how sharp we are, how can we joke. well done. fool
    2. Lyokha Lyokhin
      Lyokha Lyokhin 9 October 2020 22: 48
      -1
      The same control system as Iskander. The only difference is the radius of destruction.
      1. Jacket in stock
        Jacket in stock 10 October 2020 06: 00
        +2
        Quote: Lyokha Lyokhin
        The same control system as Iskander.

        Where does this infa come from, about the similarity?
        Iskander has a very "smart" control system for the final segment of the missile's flight.
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 10 October 2020 09: 11
          +1
          Quote: Jacket in stock
          Where does this infa come from, about the similarity?

          Out of ignorance. laughing
      2. Lopatov
        Lopatov 10 October 2020 09: 10
        +1
        Quote: Lyokha Lyokhin
        The same control system as Iskander.

        Learn the materiel ...
        Even a Wikipedia article is enough.
  • Isim soyad
    Isim soyad 10 October 2020 12: 17
    +1
    There is a video of the hit, the rocket hits the very edge of the bridge (centimeters), and explodes into the river. The bridge is very narrow, if you take 4-5 m for each lane, then let's say it turns out to be 8-10 m. According to the video, you can say the deviation from the center is 3-4 m. Considering the launch for several hundred kilometers, the rocket is super in the literal sense.
  • fn34440
    fn34440 9 October 2020 18: 33
    +1
    In the summer of 2018, the Armenian press wrote:
    “It is in this sense that the supply of such equipment by both Belarus (presumably 10 Polonez units) and Russia (18 Smerchi units were supplied) is a threat to the civilian population of Armenia and the Nagorno-Karabakh Republic. In response, Armenia also acquired heavy MLRS, but their number is still noticeably lagging behind - there are 4-8 Chinese WM-80, and 8-12 Russian MLRS "Smerch", while Azerbaijan has 30 "Smerchi", 10 "Polonez" and 21 units of Chinese -Turkish systems T-300 Kasirga. " This, even before the delivery of Israeli MANPADS.
    Over the past 5 years, Azerbaijan has received military supplies from Israel for more than $ 5 billion through barter for oil.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 9 October 2020 18: 48
      +4
      And more than 200 Spaik anti-tank systems and more than 4000 missiles for them, including those with a launch range of 25 kilometers. Most likely, after the war ends, Azerbaijan will acquire from Israel the Iron Dome batteries and the Hetz 3 missile defense systems and everything that it is using now.
      1. fn34440
        fn34440 9 October 2020 18: 54
        -7
        It is interesting that the exact consumption of LORA missiles for the entire period of aggravation of the conflict in Nagorno-Karabakh is currently unknown. Azerbaijan remains silent and does not cover the topic of the world's first application of the Israeli OTRK on a civilian object. And probably not going to do it in the future. However, the nature of the destruction of cities both in Nagorno-Karabakh and beyond suggests that the Azerbaijani military could have used almost the entire arsenal, including Israeli missiles, for shelling. Another fact speaks in favor of this version.

        Early in the morning on October 4, a transport Boeing 747 of the Azerbaijani cargo airline Silk Way West Airlines arrived in Baku from Israel. It is still difficult to say what was on board, but experts suggest that a special flight to Baku could have delivered both missiles for the LORA complex and a new batch of cluster munitions for the Israeli LAR-160 multiple launch rocket system, which the Azerbaijani army is actively using in the battles for Nagorno-Karabakh.
        It is even more interesting, WHO controls this complex technique, because there was NO time to train tomato experts and peach speculators.
        And, unlikely, these are illiterate bandits from "Jabhat al Nusra" - Erdogan's cheap cannon fodder.
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 9 October 2020 19: 13
          +2
          Quote: fn34440
          on a civilian object.

          ?
          The bridge is not a "civilian object"

          Quote: fn34440
          It is even more interesting, WHO controls this complex technique, because there was NO time to train tomato experts and peach speculators.

          laughing
          Well yes. They trained the military ...
          "Ekstroy" they have been working since 2014
          In 2018 they received Laura
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        3. Buka001
          Buka001 9 October 2020 19: 34
          +4
          Well, you shouldn't be so underestimating the republic that has given the world many military officers since the beginning of the 20th century. Including the Soviet twice hero of the USSR, General Hazi Aslanov, for example. All is well with training. But the question of who controls from the Armenian side is still open ... I don’t think that the Aboikosoyans will know better than tomato experts.
      2. Lopatov
        Lopatov 9 October 2020 18: 59
        +4
        Another 306-mm URS "EXTRA" with a range of 150 km.
        With MLRS Lynx you can run

      3. Lyokha Lyokhin
        Lyokha Lyokhin 9 October 2020 22: 50
        0
        The iron dome is understandable, but why does Azerbaijan need HEZ 3?
  • Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I 9 October 2020 18: 54
    +3
    In my opinion, the Uragan-1M MLRS remains underestimated! On the basis of the Uragan-1M MLRS, it would be possible to create not only a bicaliber system, but also a multi-caliber ... with calibers from 122 mm to 400 mm-600 mm! Could now spit in "Laura's side"!
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 9 October 2020 19: 06
      +1
      If you create an analogue of Laura, it is better to build on the Ural Tornado base - just 6 missiles will fit into the body
      such a complex can be disguised as an ordinary army truck
  • Pavel57
    Pavel57 9 October 2020 19: 03
    -2
    So did the Indians buy or did they buy?
  • Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 9 October 2020 19: 17
    -3
    The question arises: why Tochka and Iskander do not use missiles in containers? China for missiles in containers, for example.
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 9 October 2020 19: 39
      11
      Different weight categories.
      Iskander: 3.8 tons, diameter 0.93 m.
      Lora: 1.6 tons, diameter 0.6.
      And although they have the same warhead weight and the same flight range
      you cannot compare these two products.
      1. ccsr
        ccsr 9 October 2020 20: 10
        -4
        Quote: voyaka uh
        And although they have the same warhead weight and the same flight range
        you cannot compare these two products.

        You read the article inattentively:
        that at least three different warheads weighing 240, 400-440 and 600 kg are available. Depending on the used warhead, the maximum range of the missile also changes.

        Our product has a flight range from any warhead that exceeds the range of Israeli missiles.
        By the way, this is a typical advertising gimmick of foreign arms manufacturers - they always indicate the maximum characteristics, and when you start to figure it out, there are restrictions or reservations. We have a completely different approach - if it is indicated in the TTZ that it should fly 500 km, it means that it will fly at least 600 km away during experimental tests in any version.
      2. Lyokha Lyokhin
        Lyokha Lyokhin 9 October 2020 22: 52
        -3
        Right. Laura is more sophisticated.
    2. nobody75
      nobody75 9 October 2020 19: 40
      +1
      I think, because of modularity, so that the 9M728 can be stuck in.
      Sincerely
  • A. Privalov
    A. Privalov 9 October 2020 19: 30
    +3
    There will soon be legends about the crooked missile men.
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 9 October 2020 19: 36
      +1
      Quote: A. Privalov
      There will soon be legends about the crooked missile men.

      laughing
      Yeah ... And all that it was necessary to abolish the theory of probability in parliament ... Although, yes, Azerbaijan is a dictatorship and not a democracy, they would not have succeeded.

      There is no "curvature" there. How accurate the complex with ANN + correction according to the global positioning data is, so we got it.
      1. nobody75
        nobody75 9 October 2020 19: 51
        +2
        Forgive me, but if my knowledge of ballistics does not change, if the trajectory of the rocket changes, the angle of attack of the target in particular, then the CEP also changes. And in Laura it starts from 60 degrees. So the Israelis are dark ... Is the missile guided along its entire trajectory? All the same, Laura is yesterday. The future belongs to the planning BB.
        In the end, it was possible to fire a salvo at a particularly important target. Typically, there are 0,85 hit probabilities.
        Sincerely
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 9 October 2020 20: 09
          -1
          Quote: nobody75
          The future belongs to the planning BB

          The speed is lower, it is easier to shoot down. What's the point?

          Quote: nobody75
          Forgive me, but if my knowledge of ballistics does not change, if the trajectory of the rocket changes, the angle of attack of the target in particular, then the CEP also changes

          It is too difficult there, because as such there is no fixed angle of incidence.
          Therefore, the concept of CEP or its derivatives is used.
          1. nobody75
            nobody75 9 October 2020 20: 59
            -2
            The future belongs to the planning BB

            The speed is lower, it is easier to shoot down. What's the point?

            I think that the point is at least that they would have got into the bridge ...
            I read somewhere that the Americans announced a competition for the development of the OTRK planning unit.
            Interestingly, and defended the air defense entot bridge?
            Sincerely
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 9 October 2020 21: 11
              0
              Quote: nobody75
              I think that the point is at least that they would have got into the bridge ...

              Why?
              "Planability" will not increase accuracy. This requires a GOS.

              Quote: nobody75
              I read somewhere that the Americans announced a competition for the development of the OTRK planning unit.

              Probably you read about an attempt to unify aviation ammunition and ammunition for MLRS. By attaching a rocket engine from an unguided cluster RS ​​to an existing GBU-39 bomb to launch the latter from an MLRS installation

              But there the motives were very different. Someone really wanted even more money. Yes, and it is a pity to dispose of unguided ammunition for MLRS.
              1. nobody75
                nobody75 9 October 2020 21: 28
                0
                Thank you, I did not know about this MLRS project ...
                I meant a slightly different block. Maybe I was wrong with the classification, but this is still a project:
                The C-HGB hypersonic unit is to be used as a warhead of a promising LRHW (Long Range Hypersonic Weapon) land-based hypersonic missile system, which is being created in the interests of the US Army. This system is a versatile solid-propellant medium-range ballistic missile, land-based AUR (All-Up-Round), equipped with a block C-HGB in the execution of Block 1. Sandia National Laboratories originally developed both the main components of the LRHW system - C-HGB and AUR, but now the lead role in R&D for the system as a whole has been transferred to Lockheed Martin.

                In August 2019, the US Army awarded $ 347 million worth of contracts to Lockheed Martin for the development and creation of a prototype LRHW, and DTS in the amount of $ 352 million for the production of the first serial set of the C-HGB universal maneuverable gliding hypersonic warhead.

                Sincerely
                1. Lopatov
                  Lopatov 9 October 2020 21: 33
                  0
                  Quote: nobody75
                  I meant a slightly different block. Maybe I was wrong with the classification, but this is still a project:

                  That's right, politics.
                  The Chinese and the Russians are catching up in the field of hypersound.
                  1. nobody75
                    nobody75 9 October 2020 21: 34
                    0
                    Maybe you're right - there is no missile for it yet.
                    Sincerely
              2. nobody75
                nobody75 9 October 2020 21: 48
                0
                And what, forgive me, is the cut ... There are a lot of guidance options - from gps and inertial to infrared seeker. There is even ARGSN. The bomb itself is inconspicuous, and in a volley no Thor can handle it ...
                Sincerely
                1. Lopatov
                  Lopatov 9 October 2020 22: 01
                  +1
                  Quote: nobody75
                  And what, excuse me, is the cut here ..

                  Availability of GMLRS
                  1. nobody75
                    nobody75 9 October 2020 22: 07
                    0

                    Judging by the photo, the rocket is larger than gbu-39 in size, therefore it has a large RCS. Accordingly, the probability of interception is higher. And the class is different ... gbu -39 with the engine is more like a hail.
                    Sincerely
                    1. Lopatov
                      Lopatov 10 October 2020 09: 14
                      0
                      Quote: nobody75
                      And the class is different ... gbu -39 with the engine looks more like a hail.

                      No.
                      The rocket engine is the same for both samples.
            2. Vadim237
              Vadim237 9 October 2020 22: 56
              +1
              In the United States, a 280 mm gun is also being created, which will also fire a projectile - a gliding controlled block for 1800 kilometers.
          2. nobody75
            nobody75 9 October 2020 21: 07
            0
            I beg your pardon CEP - is this the middle dispersion ellipse?
            Sincerely
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 9 October 2020 21: 12
              0
              Quote: nobody75
              SER

              Circular error probable
              1. nobody75
                nobody75 9 October 2020 21: 18
                +1
                Sorry, Circular error probable - this seems to be a KVO and is, only in English.
                With respect.
                1. Lopatov
                  Lopatov 9 October 2020 21: 24
                  0
                  Quote: nobody75
                  Sorry, Circular error probable - this seems to be a KVO and is, only in English.
                  With respect.

                  Yes.
      2. Aaron Zawi
        Aaron Zawi 9 October 2020 21: 59
        +1
        Quote: Spade
        Quote: A. Privalov
        There will soon be legends about the crooked missile men.

        laughing
        Yeah ... And all that it was necessary to abolish the theory of probability in parliament ... Although, yes, Azerbaijan is a dictatorship and not a democracy, they would not have succeeded.

        There is no "curvature" there. How accurate the complex with ANN + correction according to the global positioning data is, so we got it.

        Quite right. If it were necessary, then they would make adjustments and hit another one, but apparently it is not necessary.
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 9 October 2020 22: 03
          0
          Quote: Aron Zaavi
          then would make adjustments

          What for?
          The rocket at the same coordinates.
  • nobody75
    nobody75 9 October 2020 19: 36
    +1
    Colleagues, what about the engine?
    Is it with or without thrust zeroing?
    If without zeroing, then how, then, due to what is the target hitting angle from 60 to 90 degrees achieved?
    Sincerely
    1. bootlegger
      bootlegger 10 October 2020 01: 02
      -1
      The flight path is also important. If this is an economical ballistic option, then approaching a target from 60 to 90 degrees. will arise naturally. Iskander uses uneconomical quasi-ballistic trajectories (although there may be a variant of firing along a ballistic trajectory) and it is difficult to do from 60 to 90 with them.
  • Turist1996
    Turist1996 9 October 2020 19: 37
    -6
    Bottom line: the bridge is intact!
    "Return the money!"
    "Excuse me, it’s already packed!"
    It's funny, Azerbaijanis and Jews argue for money! - well, well, it's interesting to see the results.
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  • AML
    AML 9 October 2020 20: 13
    -9
    Israel, which throughout the modern history of its existence is in the ring of unfriendly Arab countries,


    How strange it is. Once upon a time, the neighbors did not bother anyone, then figag they took their land away and in the end they remained unfriendly.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 9 October 2020 22: 58
      +4
      You somehow walk through their history - for understanding so as not to write nonsense anymore.
  • Otshelnik
    Otshelnik 9 October 2020 20: 38
    -1
    https://youtu.be/vkecUV0X97w
  • Victorm
    Victorm 9 October 2020 20: 43
    -1
    Quote: Nikolaevich I
    In my opinion, the Uragan-1M MLRS remains underestimated! On the basis of the Uragan-1M MLRS, it would be possible to create not only a bicaliber system, but also a multi-caliber ... with calibers from 122 mm to 400 mm-600 mm! Could now spit in "Laura's side"!

    Everything that you described is in service and developed long ago in the Russian Federation.
    1. nobody75
      nobody75 9 October 2020 21: 01
      0
      Are you talking about Tornado?
      Sincerely
    2. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I 10 October 2020 09: 42
      0
      Quote: VictorM
      Everything that you described is in service and developed long ago in the Russian Federation.

      You are wrong ! Maybe you are passing off what you want as real? Or have you decided to express your thought “allegorically?” In any case, individually, it may be there, but absent in one complex!
  • Victorm
    Victorm 9 October 2020 20: 48
    +6
    Quote: Turist1996
    Bottom line: the bridge is intact!
    "Return the money!"
    "Excuse me, it’s already packed!"
    It's funny, Azerbaijanis and Jews argue for money! - well, well, it's interesting to see the results.

    The rocket worked its money 100% - the accuracy is excellent. Another thing is the biting price, that's why they squeezed a couple of three, and bought Polonaises. If Laura and other Israeli systems were cheaper, Azerbaijan would not buy anything else, it would only take Israeli weapons. After the American and European, the Israeli will probably be the third at least.
  • Imperial Technocrat
    Imperial Technocrat 9 October 2020 21: 00
    -9
    Does not manipulate, i.e. just a short-range ballistic missile, not aeroballistic missile, there is no seeker, no stealth, the range is less than Iskander, there is no electronic warfare unit, there are no dummies to be dropped, the speed is pre-hypersonic. In general, compared to Iska - gamno
    1. nobody75
      nobody75 9 October 2020 21: 32
      0
      Forgive me, but if her head part does not come off, how should she dump the dummies? With dummies, this MIRV will work ...
      Sincerely
    2. shahor
      shahor 10 October 2020 00: 11
      0
      Quote: Imperial Technocrat
      Doesn't maneuver

      Here you are wrong. In the official commentary to the tests, the footage of which is given above, it is said that the purpose of the tests was, among other things, to test the maneuverability of the rocket and the accuracy of its guidance system.
    3. stone
      stone 10 October 2020 09: 56
      0
      Immediately see a great specialist ... on wikipedia proofreading laughing What is the GOS for OTRK ?! fellow
  • Victorm
    Victorm 9 October 2020 21: 31
    -1
    Quote: nobody75
    Are you talking about Tornado?
    Sincerely

    Yes.

    Although, as for me, the development of the system on the KAMAZ chassis would also be good, nevertheless, in size, the maximum unification, and how the fighting in the mountains is now, the mountain roads are clearly not about MZKT / MAZ and not even about the Kurgan chassis ...
    The Permians blinded the Smerch on the KAMAZ 8x8 chassis, but I haven't seen any more development yet, maybe it will be in the future.

    In the meantime, only Belarusians have MLRS Hurricane on a new chassis.
    1. nobody75
      nobody75 9 October 2020 21: 39
      +1
      Although, as for me, the development of the system on the KAMAZ chassis would also be good, nevertheless, in size, the maximum unification, and how the fighting in the mountains is now, the mountain roads are clearly not about MZKT / MAZ and not even about the Kurgan chassis ...

      Totally agree with you. Here, politics and economics must also be taken into account. Kamaz is located in Russia.
      Sincerely
      PS
      Azerbaijanis, by the way, refuse to go. They say that Laura was not allowed across the bridge ...
      1. Cyril G ...
        Cyril G ... 9 October 2020 22: 07
        +1
        Quote: nobody75
        They say that Laura was not allowed across the bridge ...


        I knew that the Jews are to blame for everything .... From zhezh potsy !!!
    2. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I 10 October 2020 09: 55
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      MLRS "Uragan-1M" ...

      Another version of the MLRS "Uragan-1M" ... There is a third ...
  • Victorm
    Victorm 9 October 2020 22: 24
    -2
    Quote: nobody75
    Although, as for me, the development of the system on the KAMAZ chassis would also be good, nevertheless, in size, the maximum unification, and how the fighting in the mountains is now, the mountain roads are clearly not about MZKT / MAZ and not even about the Kurgan chassis ...

    Totally agree with you. Here, politics and economics must also be taken into account. Kamaz is located in Russia.
    Sincerely
    PS
    Azerbaijanis, by the way, refuse to go. They say that Laura was not allowed across the bridge ...

    Well, I'm here for both ours and yours laughing Both Russia and Azerbaijan are both countries, my Motherland is big and small. Azerbaijan assembles KAMAZ vehicles in Ganja, and gets MAZs ready-made - the former is more profitable, jobs, after all, plus a powerful repair base and a large number of specialists. And in the Russian Federation, by and large, there is only one hoodless hood, the Ural hoodless hood is not so widespread throughout the country.

    If you digress and just about the chassis and cars. Avtogaz's last truck, Sadko NEXT, is interesting, I liked it until I looked under it - it is still very damp and far from being used in the aircraft, but a replacement shishige is needed and it would turn out to be quite good, and by the way, also in the mountains. Variants Kamaz and Ural 4x4 are far away and not at all that.

    The war is only at the beginning, although many hope that the last defeat of the Armenian group will nevertheless lead to the withdrawal of the occupying forces. But judging by what the Armenians started with this smuggling of weapons in civilian airliners, it is unlikely that it will now end with negotiations in Moscow. And until the war is over, we will not know anything for sure and reliably, and it is not a fact that we will know everything completely. As for me, it was Laura, not Polonaise, but there is nothing else, Azerbaijan has only these two systems, Point-U does not count, it is not so accurate.
    1. Shadow041
      Shadow041 11 October 2020 21: 57
      +2
      In the United States, a person who accepts US citizenship pledges allegiance to the United States, undertakes to defend the United States with arms in hand, including from his historical homeland. You cannot serve two gods, the Russian Federation and Azerbaijan are different countries, so either you are a citizen of one country or another, with appropriate rights and obligations, everything else is from the evil one (the devil)
  • AML
    AML 10 October 2020 00: 32
    -2
    Quote: Vadim237
    You somehow walk through their history - for understanding so as not to write nonsense anymore.

    We assign this type a convenient starting point and consider it as convenient. You yourself would have read it somehow at your leisure and stopped teaching people. You can start from 18-20 years of the last century.
    1. Danila46
      Danila46 10 October 2020 02: 01
      +3
      For more details please from these years. Shed new light on your understanding of the historical theme of this region. A new thought is very interesting ...
  • Gunther
    Gunther 10 October 2020 01: 58
    -2
    Quote: Author
    Defeat a floating sea target with a LORA missile

    and what is this in Photoshop, the horizon is littered? laughing
    and I wonder how deeply Israeli manufacturers of military equipment have integrated into international cooperation, I'm talking about screwdriver assembly ...
    with the aviation industry, everything, as I understand it, is sour good
    1. Jacket in stock
      Jacket in stock 10 October 2020 06: 15
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      Quote: Gunter
      I'm talking about screwdriver assembly ...

      Do you know someone who does 100% himself?
      Any complex product is a constructor made of parts produced by others.
      1. ccsr
        ccsr 10 October 2020 10: 22
        +2
        Quote: Jacket in stock
        Do you know someone who does 100% himself?

        At least all the main types of strategic weapons in Russia are still made on our base, and even in Soviet times it was generally forbidden to use foreign components in our developments. And as an exception, the use of some components was allowed, which subsequently had to be manufactured in our company, otherwise they would not have allocated money for R&D. So be careful with this statement - yet "not all polymers are pros..li" in Russia ....
    2. ccsr
      ccsr 10 October 2020 10: 16
      +1
      Quote: Gunter
      and I wonder how deeply Israeli manufacturers of military equipment have integrated into international cooperation, I'm talking about screwdriver assembly ...
      with the aviation industry, everything, as I understand it, is sour

      A long time ago I came across materials about the military-industrial complex of different countries of the world and their achievements in the development and production of full-cycle weapons, i.e. from idea to putting into service, which was carried out in the post-war years. These were materials from one serious organization, and the reliability there was at the level of 90-95%, so some people will understand where the legs grow from. And that's what amused me when the question concerned the Israeli military-industrial complex - it turns out there is only one product that was implemented in a full cycle, and it was called "Uzi - a family of submachine guns (PP), produced by the Israeli concern Israel Military Industries (IMI)". Everything else, including aviation programs, turned out to be only a copying or theft of other people's developments, and even then, in the end, they were never able to create something serious in aviation technology. I know how in the nineties-zero Israeli companies supplied satellite communication stations to Russia to work with our satellites, and whose they actually were, but I think who is in the subject and they themselves know all this very well. But advertising is the engine of trade, and it is not in vain that the citizens of Israel are so zealous here, praising what we could do thirty years ago with lower costs.
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 10 October 2020 21: 57
        +3
        "it" Uzi is a family of submachine guns (PP) produced by the Israeli concern Israel Military Industries (IMI) "" ////
        ----
        And the Uzi has a Czech prototype ... And then they stole everything ...
        What to say? The KGB analyzed the military-industrial complex of Israel from the inherent in this organization
        reliability. bully
        Our small, peaceful country only sells excellent
        oranges and carrots, but ill-wishers blame us for nothing. stop
        1. ccsr
          ccsr 11 October 2020 10: 10
          +1
          Quote: voyaka uh
          The KGB analyzed the military-industrial complex of Israel from the inherent in this organization
          reliability.

          The KGB did not deal with such garbage, and they did not have specialists to prepare such documents.
          Quote: voyaka uh
          And the Uzi has a Czech prototype ... And then they stole everything ...

          It is not excluded - although I think that within the framework of the Warsaw Pact, such small arms would have no prospects of being put into service.

          Quote: voyaka uh
          Our small, peaceful country only sells excellent
          oranges and carrots,

          As for "peace-loving", this is certainly too much, but I somehow saw potatoes from Israel on sale even in Moscow. But I didn't buy it, I just didn't need it at that moment, so don't attribute any "anti-Semitism" to me ...
  • Bat039
    Bat039 10 October 2020 09: 42
    -2
    Judging by the fact that Laura in Karabakh was unable to inflict even moderate damage to the bridge, Israel with its crafts is not a competitor to the Russian Federation.
  • Victorm
    Victorm 10 October 2020 12: 05
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    Quote: Nikolaevich I

    MLRS "Uragan-1M" ...

    Another version of the MLRS "Uragan-1M" ... There is a third ...

    Whatever one may say, the chassis is too heavy for the mountains, and even here it will not work everywhere.
    I can’t judge the difference in cost for the MO chassis KAMAZ and KZKT, but taking into account the automation in artillery, electromechanical or hydraulic drives, loading by changing factory containers / missile packages, reducing the number of crews, cheap maintenance and maintenance of standard and mass-produced chassis, it is POSSIBLE it would be advisable to have in service a sufficient number of universal launcher MLRS from 122 to 300mm caliber on a universal and lightweight chassis. As a prototype of SMERCH on the KAMAZ chassis developed by Perm.
    The Israelis just implemented such a system on a relatively light chassis. Amerikosov MLRS on a wheeled chassis, the same story as a Tornado on the KZKT chassis.
  • Alecsandr
    Alecsandr 10 October 2020 12: 10
    -2
    Israel has made great strides in precision-guided weapons and UAVs, and the nature of modern warfare is clearly visible. With outdated weapons, combat is doomed to failure.
  • Vitaly gusin
    Vitaly gusin 10 October 2020 12: 48
    0
    I am writing for everyone who participates in this dispute.
    Recently, more and more articles have appeared on Israel's new modern weapons. And the comparison immediately begins, which is better and which is worse.
    But if you think a little and compare the tasks and goals facing the armies, then we understand Russia wants to be the first in everything, whether it turns out or not, I'm not going to analyze it. Israel has only one goal... Protection of the country from neighbors who, for 72 years, have officially announced plans and, in the past, in actions to destroy the country But today there are only three countries left. Iran tops this list, as well as Syria and Lebanon (or rather Hezbollah)
    And all the weapons that Israel produces are directed in the first place, in order to moderate their ardor of these willing
    And already in the second desire to sell.
    But Israel also possesses other weapons, so that everyone who has a desire to use force understands that it will not go unpunished.
    And now about the comparison of the two states of Russia and Israel, some in the heat of the dispute forget about it
    Russia area 17 sq. km² population 151 442 146 people
    Israel 20 km² population 770
    And you are trying to compare these two states.
    But, despite the huge difference in these indicators, Israel is included in the list of developed countries.
    GDP per capita Israel $ 42
    GDP per capita of Russia $ 28
    Please do not write about the crazy US aid, it is 1% of the annual budget, if it were not for the GDP per capita of $ 40
    Israel occupies one of the leading places in the world in the development of new technologies in electronics, including military ones, which is recognized by the Russian leadership.

    Sergei Shoigu and his Israeli colleague Benjamin Gantz discussed by phone prospects for military cooperation and the situation in the Middle East, according to the Russian Ministry of Defense.
    The negotiations confirmed the mutual attitude of the parties to FURTHER development of Russian-Israeli military cooperation"- said in a statement.

    I am ready with everyone for a constructive normal dialogue.
    The cons and rudeness do not bother me. they show the opponent's failure to dialogue.
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  • Gunther
    Gunther 10 October 2020 13: 21
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    Quote: Bat039
    Judging by the fact that Laura in Karabakh was unable to inflict even moderate damage to the bridge, Israel with its crafts is not a competitor to the Russian Federation.

    we dared to doubt the greatness of the Israeli pepelats, we minus laughing
  • Gunther
    Gunther 10 October 2020 13: 23
    +1
    Quote: Vitaly Gusin
    I am writing for everyone who participates in this dispute.
    Recently, more and more articles have appeared on Israel's new modern weapons. And the comparison immediately begins, which is better and which is worse.
    But if you think a little and compare the tasks and goals facing the armies, then we understand Russia wants to be the first in everything, whether it turns out or not, I'm not going to analyze it. Israel has only one goal... Protection of the country from neighbors who, for 72 years, have officially announced plans and, in the past, in actions to destroy the country But today there are only three countries left. Iran tops this list, as well as Syria and Lebanon (or rather Hezbollah)
    And all the weapons that Israel produces are directed in the first place, in order to moderate their ardor of these willing
    And already in the second desire to sell.
    But Israel also possesses other weapons, so that everyone who has a desire to use force understands that it will not go unpunished.
    And now about the comparison of the two states of Russia and Israel, some in the heat of the dispute forget about it
    Russia area 17 sq. km² population 151 442 146 people
    Israel 20 km² population 770
    And you are trying to compare these two states.
    But, despite the huge difference in these indicators, Israel is included in the list of developed countries.
    GDP per capita Israel $ 42
    GDP per capita of Russia $ 28
    Please do not write about the crazy US aid, it is 1% of the annual budget, if it were not for the GDP per capita of $ 40
    Israel occupies one of the leading places in the world in the development of new technologies in electronics, including military ones, which is recognized by the Russian leadership.

    Sergei Shoigu and his Israeli colleague Benjamin Gantz discussed by phone prospects for military cooperation and the situation in the Middle East, according to the Russian Ministry of Defense.
    The negotiations confirmed the mutual attitude of the parties to FURTHER development of Russian-Israeli military cooperation"- said in a statement.

    I am ready with everyone for a constructive normal dialogue.
    The cons and rudeness do not bother me. they show the opponent's failure to dialogue.

    it remains to mention how many billions are actually pouring into Israel from the outside, to maintain its viability, military and technical support and how long it will hold out after its termination and there is no need for scales about "one percent" tongue
  • Private-K
    Private-K 11 October 2020 11: 53
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    Quote: Aaron Zawi
    Quote: OgnennyiKotik
    So it is not intended against infrastructure objects. Like Iskander. Their task is to hit the headquarters, air defense positions, artillery, MLRS, etc. On targets, hitting which from the KVO 10 meters is not critical.

    Why not. If they had hit a little more accurately, they would have ruined the bridge too.
    We could have shied another one, but apparently it was enough so that the armored vehicles would not walk across the bridge.


    the bridge is old - 1970s, the state of the same - also survived earthquakes ... the formal carrying capacity was only 30 tons.