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The German army has seen an increase in the number of underage soldiers

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More than 1700 Bundeswehr soldiers are 17-year-old boys and girls. The German Left Party criticizes this state of affairs, noting that the army, where so many minors serve, is unable to fulfill its functions.


This is reported by the German newspaper Rheinische Post, citing information received by the Left Party from the German Ministry of Defense in response to its request.

This information indicates an increase in the number of underage soldiers in the German army. If last year their number totaled 1679 people, then this has reached 1705 fighters. According to the legislation of Germany, like that of Russia, minors are considered persons under the age of 18.

Last year, the number of minors enrolled in the Bundeswehr fell for the first time in many years. Compared to 2017, when 2128 underage soldiers served in the German army, in 2019 the decline was more than 20 percent. Now - growth again.

According to German law, candidates for service in the Bundeswehr must be at least 17 years old. In addition, conscripts under the age of 18 require parental or guardian consent to enroll in the military. A number of restrictions apply to underage soldiers. In particular, they are not used for guard duty and foreign missions.
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  1. Fedor Sokolov
    Fedor Sokolov 7 October 2020 17: 29
    0
    The birth rate is extremely low, and many migrants from Africa and the Middle East are unreliable, so they have to recruit youngsters.
    1. SRC P-15
      SRC P-15 7 October 2020 17: 40
      +2
      The German army has seen an increase in the number of underage soldiers

      Why not serve them? In Germany, as I heard, a soldier does not live in barracks - at night he goes home to his mother and father. The whole question is only one thing: what kind of soldier will he be if he serves in hothouse conditions? yes
      1. Fedor Sokolov
        Fedor Sokolov 7 October 2020 17: 55
        +1
        None in comparison with the Russian! For a soldier must endure hardships and hardships
        military service.
        1. SRC P-15
          SRC P-15 7 October 2020 17: 59
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          Quote: Fyodor Sokolov
          None in comparison with the Russian! For a soldier must endure the hardships of military service.

          That's it! And what kind of service is this: neither wash footcloths, nor hem the collar, nor receive an outfit for the kitchen, etc. yes
      2. ArioN
        ArioN 7 October 2020 17: 59
        +1
        Quote: СРЦ П-15
        Why not serve them? In Germany, as I heard, a soldier does not live in barracks - at night he goes home to his mother and father. The whole question is only one thing: what kind of soldier will he be if he serves in hothouse conditions?

        So it is .. There is not a service, but some kind of holiday and they also pay money ..))))
        I judge from the stories of immigrants from Russia, they are shocked by such service in the Army ..)))
    2. Senka naughty
      Senka naughty 7 October 2020 18: 00
      +2
      Quote: Fedor Sokolov
      The birth rate is extremely low, and many migrants from Africa and the Middle East are unreliable, so they have to recruit youngsters.

      Almost all migrants do not care about the army or about the German statehood itself. Sitting on social networks and subsidies, selling drugs, is much more pleasant than jumping in trenches. The number of "white" livestock is rapidly decreasing across Europe, as many of them ask too many uncomfortable questions and even go on strike sometimes. And they replace them with an illiterate herd of "black-and-gray" cattle, which can be brought up as it suits you. They will be reduced to 1-3% of the total world population, after which they will be included in the Red Book, fenced off and declared among themselves the ruling class. These are the Jedi of our time.
  2. PSih2097
    PSih2097 7 October 2020 17: 31
    +5
    So what? The Suvorov and Nakhimovites, as well as the students of the Cadet Corps, are also minors. The Sons and Daughters of the regiments were not only minors, they were young, but if you recall the partisan movement, then in general ...
    1. vkl.47
      vkl.47 7 October 2020 17: 34
      -3
      Don't confuse the army and the pioneer camp with lightning.
      1. PSih2097
        PSih2097 7 October 2020 17: 36
        +7
        Quote: vkl.47
        Don't confuse the army and the pioneer camp with lightning.

        I didn't drink with you on a brotherhood, so that I could poke ...
        And the current army (year of service) is a "pioneer camp with lightning". (C) vkl.47
    2. Volodin
      Volodin 7 October 2020 17: 39
      +3
      Quote: PSih2097
      Suvorov and Nakhimovites, as well as students of the Cadet Corps

      Do Suvorovites, Nakhimovites and cadets have the status of military personnel?
      1. PSih2097
        PSih2097 7 October 2020 17: 43
        -2
        Quote: Volodin
        Quote: PSih2097
        Suvorov and Nakhimovites, as well as students of the Cadet Corps

        Do Suvorovites, Nakhimovites and cadets have the status of military personnel?

        no, but if something happens, they will.
      2. dauria
        dauria 7 October 2020 18: 00
        +2
        Do Suvorovites, Nakhimovites and cadets have the status of military personnel?


        No, they never had. But the cadets, yes. From the moment of the order of the Ministry of Defense on enrollment.
        Cadet-post, military rank-private. It would be strange to appoint a guard, to give a submachine gun and the obligation to shoot people, fully responding according to the law ... and at the same time saying "underage". Almost the entire first year of any school was "underage" for a whole year. I took the oath when I wasn't 17 yet.
        1. Doliva63
          Doliva63 7 October 2020 19: 59
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          Quote: dauria
          Do Suvorovites, Nakhimovites and cadets have the status of military personnel?


          No, they never had. But the cadets, yes. From the moment of the order of the Ministry of Defense on enrollment.
          Cadet-post, military rank-private. It would be strange to appoint a guard, to give a submachine gun and the obligation to shoot people, fully responding according to the law ... and at the same time saying "underage". Almost the entire first year of any school was "underage" for a whole year. I took the oath when I wasn't 17 yet.

          They enrolled in the school, it seems, by order of the head of the school, and not the Ministry of Defense. Cadet - one of the positions, because there are also positions of squad commander, platoon commander, etc. And the ranks of the cadets - from private to foreman. But there are warrant officers / warrant officers, there are also warrant officers. This is when the "schoolchildren" and the Suvorovites take the Oath, then they are made servicemen by the order of the Ministry of Defense. It was all a long time ago, however, eh! drinks
          And yes, in my time there was an order of the Ministry of Defense: on September 1 of the year of admission, the applicant must be 18 years old, because they had not been drafted into the army before. There are no more than 1 people like you. on the course was - how it rolled against the laws, I don't know, but it happened. I have one such friend - he is from Odessa, he was forgiven laughing And, by the way, there were no more than 30% of "schoolchildren" in my school per company, the main contingent - from the army and from the Suvorov schools. I entered the army. And we were generally the majority at first, but then many left. Although, as our company commander "papa Semin" said: it is difficult to enter our school, but it is even harder not to finish it. laughing I remember my cadet years almost in the same way as my childhood - my head never hurts, you do what you want, and the vast expanses of the Army lie ahead. Eh, damn it. drinks
          1. dauria
            dauria 7 October 2020 23: 06
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            They will take the oath, and then they are made military personnel by order of the Ministry of Defense.

            No, the month of KMB also goes to the length of service. And the day of conscription to the Armed Forces is just an order for enrollment. They coincide in time. It was just that the Minister of Defense called for service in the Armed Forces by the order number, and not the head of the school. However, a record must remain in the personal file. They will keep it for a very long time.
            By the way, not so long ago they let me have a look - there were even yellowed sheets of characteristics from people who have long been dead. Mixed feeling ... looking into your past.
            1. Doliva63
              Doliva63 9 October 2020 18: 32
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              Quote: dauria
              They will take the oath, and then they are made military personnel by order of the Ministry of Defense.

              No, the month of KMB also goes to the length of service. And the day of conscription to the Armed Forces is just an order for enrollment. They coincide in time. It was just that the Minister of Defense called for service in the Armed Forces by the order number, and not the head of the school. However, a record must remain in the personal file. They will keep it for a very long time.
              By the way, not so long ago they let me have a look - there were even yellowed sheets of characteristics from people who have long been dead. Mixed feeling ... looking into your past.

              The length of service comes from the order to enroll in the lists of a military unit, like? So everything is logical. But first you have to enter to be enrolled, and only then the Ministry of Defense will call for service. But I came from the army, everything is simple there. My personal file in 92 or 93 was already kept in a safe with the inscription "dead", because dismissed from the military register, so, probably, do not look already sad Interestingly, and then our Personal numbers are given to someone on a new basis? I passed mine, but I still remember it.
          2. Private-K
            Private-K 8 October 2020 01: 58
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            Quote: Doliva63
            "schoolchildren" in my school were not more than 30% per company, the main contingent was from the army and from the Suvorov schools. I entered the army.

            Voku?
            1. Doliva63
              Doliva63 9 October 2020 18: 09
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              Quote: Private-K
              Quote: Doliva63
              "schoolchildren" in my school were not more than 30% per company, the main contingent was from the army and from the Suvorov schools. I entered the army.

              Voku?

              No, but it seemed to me that it was the same everywhere, since we had a lot of officers with experience in military service.
          3. 2 Level Advisor
            2 Level Advisor 8 October 2020 12: 15
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            I on September 1 after the MBA in school .. I was 16 still .. nothing is normal .. I did it
            1. Hagen
              Hagen 9 October 2020 17: 20
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              Quote: Level 2 Advisor
              I on September 1 after the MBA in school .. I was 16 still .. nothing is normal .. I did it

              Did you ask for permission to enter the Commander-in-Chief of the Ground Forces?
              1. 2 Level Advisor
                2 Level Advisor 9 October 2020 17: 39
                +1
                No, I passed the dock-exams, they took it .. I just entered and that's it after school, finished it at the age of 16 in 96 .. I was on the course one more week younger .. although more than once asked, how is it? that's it laughing
                P.S. we do not have SV - Strategic Missile Forces, but did not write to him) but came to the unit a little older than demobels)
            2. Doliva63
              Doliva63 9 October 2020 18: 34
              0
              Quote: 2 level advisor
              I on September 1 after the MBA in school .. I was 16 still .. nothing is normal .. I did it

              Well, Duc, Arkady Golikov at the age of 16 and commanded a regiment - he also coped laughing drinks
      3. Hagen
        Hagen 8 October 2020 13: 04
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        Quote: Volodin
        Do Suvorovites, Nakhimovites and cadets have the status of military personnel?

        Suvrovites - no, but the cadets of the higher educational institutions in other cases can even take the oath at the age of 16. Most of the cadets take the oath at 17. At the same time, they also go on guard (or rather, they went to the SA - I know for sure, today various changes are possible wink )
        1. Doliva63
          Doliva63 9 October 2020 18: 24
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          Quote: Hagen
          Quote: Volodin
          Do Suvorovites, Nakhimovites and cadets have the status of military personnel?

          Suvrovites - no, but the cadets of the higher educational institutions in other cases can even take the oath at the age of 16. Most of the cadets take the oath at 17. At the same time, they also go on guard (or rather, they went to the SA - I know for sure, today various changes are possible wink )

          "Most of the cadets swear in at 17." It is worth clarifying here - we are talking only about cadets who entered after school. For in my time, both from the urgent, and after the urgent, and warrant officers / warrant officers - these took the oath long ago.
    3. bistrov.
      bistrov. 8 October 2020 07: 15
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      Quote: PSih2097
      Suvorov and Nakhimovites, as well as students of the Cadet Corps, are also minors

      Suvorov and Nakhimov schools are educational institutions (in fact, ordinary schools) with elements of a military daily routine, nothing more. No one gives them weapons, no one will put them on guard.
  3. Prisoner
    Prisoner 7 October 2020 17: 32
    -9
    Remember the past, the experience of the Hitler Youth does not let you sleep?
    1. PSih2097
      PSih2097 7 October 2020 17: 38
      -3
      Quote: Captive
      Remember the past, the experience of the Hitler Youth does not let you sleep?

      Poke something else ...


      1. Volodin
        Volodin 7 October 2020 17: 41
        +3
        Well, you also compared ...
        1. nnm
          nnm 7 October 2020 17: 54
          +8
          I also did not understand the analogy. The children of the regiments are children without parents, whom the units simply saved from themselves, in fact, from starvation, and the Hitler Youth is the official appeal of minors under the threat of execution for evasion. Things are absolutely incomparable.
          1. Avior
            Avior 9 October 2020 07: 53
            0
            During the war minors were also called up, there was such a moment.
            ... On October 25, 1944, the State Defense Committee (GKO), by its resolution No. 6784ss, announced the conscription of conscripts born in 1927. In accordance with the GKO decree No. 6784, young men 1-2 years younger than the draft age were called up for military service.

            Although there were quite a few postponed categories, there were also 16-17 year olds who were actually called up.
            I don’t think the times of war can be compared with the current situation.
            There were many things that could not have happened in peacetime.
      2. Prisoner
        Prisoner 7 October 2020 18: 46
        +1
        I SAY - don't confuse God's gift with scrambled eggs. And don't mix vodka with beer.
  4. parusnik
    parusnik 7 October 2020 17: 33
    +3
    So everything is according to the law:
    According to German law, candidates for service in the Bundeswehr must be at least 17 years old.
    ... As they say, they thought, discussed when such a law was adopted ..
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 7 October 2020 17: 43
      0
      Quote: parusnik
      .As they say, they thought, discussed when such a law was adopted ..

      What? Parents of children 1. attached, 2 - protect from fights on the streets with "poor refugees"
      1. LMN
        LMN 7 October 2020 19: 02
        +3
        Quote: Egoza
        Quote: parusnik
        .As they say, they thought, discussed when such a law was adopted ..

        What? Parents of children 1. attached, 2 - protect from fights on the streets with "poor refugees"

        Have you added it?)
        You will be very surprised at how much they will earn. You can see on the official German resources.
        Most go there to earn money, much more than at McDonald's.
      2. Reptiloid
        Reptiloid 7 October 2020 19: 28
        +3
        Quote: Egoza
        ..... What? Parents of children 1. attached, 2 - protect from fights on the streets with "poor refugees"
        maybe they are not only trying to save from contractions, but also from what possible vices.
  5. Tneburashka
    Tneburashka 7 October 2020 17: 48
    +2
    The law for at least 17 years for candidates was not adopted yesterday, everything here according to the law simply may not like them, that instead of gay parades, young people go to the army
    1. gaudin
      gaudin 7 October 2020 18: 06
      +1
      Who doesn't like gay pride parades?
  6. Holsten
    Holsten 7 October 2020 17: 54
    0
    I think the Bundeswehr has many interesting tasks, questions and problems ahead, which are being solved by calling on young people to try to survive under the pressure of migrants. Migrants who probably already have their own paramilitary organizations aimed at seizing power in an occupied country (Germany).
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  10. yehat2
    yehat2 7 October 2020 17: 57
    -2
    Apparently the German left did not study history well
    in the Reich there was a whole division of Hitler Jugend, which proved that teenagers can fight.
    Of course, they did not fight as well as the veterans, but they performed well at the level of ordinary soldiers who just got to the front.
    1. Avior
      Avior 9 October 2020 08: 04
      0
      12th SS Panzer Division Hitler Youth.
      But they were reinforced with a number of experienced ones from other divisions.
      The Hitler Youth is an organization of 14-18 years old, in principle, if the elders were recruited and trained so far, everyone was already 18.
      It's hard to imagine a tank crew of 14 year old boys
  11. Ua3qhp
    Ua3qhp 7 October 2020 18: 02
    +2
    Quote: nnm
    and the Hitler Youth is the official appeal of minors under the threat of execution for evading

    The Hitler Youth is a voluntary youth organization of the NDSAP for boys from 10 to 18 years old. It has nothing to do with the call to Volkssturm.
    1. Avior
      Avior 9 October 2020 08: 07
      0
      Actually the Hitler Youth is 14-18 years old.
      ... the organization covered German youth between the ages of 10 and 18 and was divided by age group. Younger group: boys from 10 to 14 years old - Deutsches Jungfolk (German Youth); from 14 to 18 years old - the Hitler Youth proper.
    2. yehat2
      yehat2 9 October 2020 08: 07
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      most of the German children were in the Hitler Youth.
      This organization was primarily concerned with their upbringing and development, but
      with a bias that the Nazi government wanted. It was she who ensured the overall high quality of recruits for the start of the Reich military campaign.
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    1. Kuzmitsky
      7 October 2020 18: 11
      +4
      To make it clearer, the Hitler Youth is a Nazi analogue of the Soviet Komsomol, with a similar organizational structure, but a completely different ideology. And this organization had no direct relation to the military.
      1. Private-K
        Private-K 8 October 2020 02: 02
        +2
        Quote: Kuzmitsky
        Hitler Youth is the Nazi counterpart of the Soviet Komsomol, with a similar organizational structure, but a completely different ideology. And this organization had no direct relation to the military.

        The Hitler Youth is a local analogue of the Soviet Pioneer, more. Well, Pioneer is a light version of British-American Scoutism.
        1. Avior
          Avior 9 October 2020 08: 08
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          The Hitler Youth was divided into 2 parts 10-14 years old and 14-18 years old.
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  14. Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 7 October 2020 18: 05
    -1
    More than 1700 Bundeswehr soldiers are 17-year-old boys and girls
    and how ?!
    if you can enlist in the Bundeswehr from 18-40
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  16. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 7 October 2020 18: 06
    -2
    In general, the Germans have brutalized and the children are rowing into the army, where are human rights, where is democracy? They have only the right to die without knowing a woman's affection, for a native Arab who is deeply and far from your Bundeswehr.
  17. Gato
    Gato 7 October 2020 18: 12
    +2
    And what's the problem? If a 17-year-old goof does not want to study or cannot, with work too, because there is no experience, then the army is not the worst way out. Better than messing with social media, sitting on the neck of a parent or on benefits. Not a fact, of course, but there is less chance of getting hooked on drugs or getting stuck in a criminal halep.
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  19. Gato
    Gato 7 October 2020 18: 15
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    Cheto site is buggy - comments split in two
  20. Kushka
    Kushka 7 October 2020 18: 25
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    Quote: Fedor Sokolov
    The birth rate is extremely low, and many migrants from Africa and the Middle East are unreliable, so they have to recruit youngsters.

    History knows many examples of how the army helped the country
    harvest, overcome the effects of floods.
    Who decided that the German army was not up to the task of increasing
    birth rate in the country? Direct result of incompetence
    women - the Minister of Defense.
  21. iouris
    iouris 7 October 2020 19: 37
    -2
    The country is called "Germany" and the army is "German". I do not understand.
    1. Gato
      Gato 8 October 2020 00: 52
      0
      So what? The Yankees also have a Department of Defense, but I don’t remember who they defended against the last time - either from the Mexicans or from the Canadians. This is not counting the insidious samurai. And by the way, the country is called Deutschland, and the army for some reason Bundeswehr is like not relatives laughing
  22. orcinus
    orcinus 7 October 2020 20: 08
    -1
    I don’t see the essence of the problem, what the fuss is about) In the USA, too, as far as I remember, you can go to the Armed Forces from 17. I myself took the oath at 16, there were, of course, classmates at 20-23, no "social" problems arose)
  23. Petrol cutter
    Petrol cutter 7 October 2020 20: 42
    0
    In terms of?!. And how, in principle, a child can be accepted to serve in the army?! ..
    Considering that now is not the forty-fifth year.
    This is me, here maman arranged for the plant (for the summer) in not a full fourteen years. So the plant is not an army, however. And there were still a lot of problems (in the damned Soviet times), we have no right to take anything! ..
    Young isho. recourse
  24. Maalkavianin
    Maalkavianin 7 October 2020 20: 47
    0
    Maybe they are preparing a mobilization resource. And with global mixing, "try to repeat." All the same, as for me, the Germans should never be underestimated. They built the millennial Reich and almost succeeded.
    1. Avior
      Avior 9 October 2020 08: 13
      0
      The compulsory conscription to the Bundeswehr was canceled back in 2011.
      1. Maalkavianin
        Maalkavianin 9 October 2020 09: 14
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        I know. Apparently trying on to return.
  25. Kerensky
    Kerensky 8 October 2020 05: 51
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    A friend has a birthday on September 16th. Ay! At the age of 6 they took to school! I have it on January 30th. They left in kindergarten for the second year.
    So we still need to see these minors.
    1. Reviews
      Reviews 8 October 2020 09: 33
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      Quote: Kerensky
      A friend has a birthday on September 16th. Ay! At the age of 6 they took to school! I have it on January 30th. They left in kindergarten for the second year.

      I have September 28th. And I went to school at the full 6 years, and to a school (civilian, but with military orders) at 16. From my observations, in our generation (1973-77), the psychological threshold was considered October 1: everyone who was born later already went study with the next year, not with "my"
      1. Kerensky
        Kerensky 8 October 2020 09: 49
        +1
        From my observations, in our generation (1973-77), the psychological threshold was considered October 1

        Sergei
        I agree. Itself 1976-th year of release. There was a serious difference, for example, between December 19th, 1975 and January 30th, 1976 ... However, in 1995, everyone was released ahead of schedule, in May .. I also first studied as a photographer at a vocational school ...
        So, again, we need to look at the timing of these children ...
  26. Lynx2000
    Lynx2000 8 October 2020 12: 19
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    Quote: Gato
    And by the way, the country is called Deutschland, and the army for some reason Bundeswehr is like not relatives laughing

    Probably because Deutschland is a self-name. Officially, they are called Bundesrepublik Deutschland (literally - federal or united republics), which means Bundeswehr (federal troops / defense).

    recourse
    And what if we call the Deutsches Germans, the Angles call them Germans, then the US Department of Defense can be called the Ministry of Occupation ...
  27. Sancho_SP
    Sancho_SP 8 October 2020 16: 53
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    Even I suspect that 90% are cadets.