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The Zircon hypersonic missile hits a target in the Barents Sea during testing - the General Staff of the RF Armed Forces presented Putin with an information gift

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The General Staff of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation presented an exclusive informational gift to the President of Russia on his 68th birthday. The Chief of the General Staff of the RF Armed Forces, General Valery Gerasimov, reported to the Supreme Commander-in-Chief about an important military-technical event.


According to General Gerasimov, Russia has successfully tested the newest Zircon hypersonic missile. This missile was fired at a target located in the Barents Sea.

"Zircon" (3M22) belongs to the category of hypersonic weapons... On its trajectory, it is capable of developing tremendous speed (about Mach 9). The Zircon hypersonic missile is positioned as an anti-ship missile. Today, there are no means in the world that could effectively intercept these types of weapons. It is also important to note that today only the Russian Federation has such a weapon.

Valery Gerasimov reported that the rocket speed during the tests exceeded Mach 8. From the message in video format:

Yesterday at 7 from the White Sea the frigate "Admiral fleet Soviet Union Gorshkov ", within the framework of flight tests, for the first time, a Zircon hypersonic cruise missile was fired at a sea target located in the Barents Sea.

The chief of the General Staff of the Russian Armed Forces noted that the target was hit at a distance of about 450 km. The maximum flight altitude of the rocket was 28 km. 4,5 minutes passed from the moment of launch to hitting the target.



The President noted that this work is based on the enormous work of both military specialists and scientists, designers and workers.



Supreme Commander:

This is a big stage in equipping the Armed Forces with the latest systems.
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    1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
      Andrei from Chelyabinsk 7 October 2020 10: 27
      +6
      Quote: oleg123219307
      Now we can say with confidence that all the money that they launched on the naval air defense / missile defense, they asked

      Why? On the contrary. If any US missile defense system can try to shoot down the Zircon, it is the SM-6. Chances are true ... not much
      1. novel66
        novel66 7 October 2020 11: 00
        28
        only burks they have to hell, and potted ones not very much
        1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
          Andrei from Chelyabinsk 7 October 2020 11: 30
          53
          Quote: novel xnumx
          only burks they have to hell, and potted ones not very much

          This is true, but such trials are still good news. Zircon really increases our potential in naval warfare. Of course, now people will come screaming "The US Navy is dead - we have Zircon !!!! all, let's stay in one fashion!" and it will be stupid and ridiculous, but still Zircon is a big step forward in terms of means of struggle at sea, and this cannot be denied.
          1. Lipchanin
            Lipchanin 7 October 2020 11: 44
            20
            Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
            Zircon is a big step forward

            Yes, not big, but huge
            1. Temples
              Temples 7 October 2020 12: 19
              -37 qualifying.
              Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
              Of course, now people will swoop in, shouting "The US Navy is dead - we have Zircon !!!! we will all stay one day!" and it will be stupid

              Tolley business you!
              The mind is still climbing out of all the cracks, judging by the remark. wassat
              Not like the rest. laughing
              1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
                Andrei from Chelyabinsk 7 October 2020 13: 07
                +6
                Quote: Temples
                The mind keeps climbing out of all the cracks, judging by the remark

                Yes indeed:)))))))
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            2. Krasnoyarsk
              Krasnoyarsk 7 October 2020 12: 22
              +6
              Quote: Lipchanin
              Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
              Zircon is a big step forward

              Yes, not big, but huge

              Whoever argues, I won't. But, there is one thing ...
              How long will this advantage last? Who can say with confidence - "mattress mats will not create a hypersonic one in 10 years and will not arm their troughs with them, of which they have more than we do." That's just it. The news is, of course, pleasant, but it is hardly necessary to "rest on our laurels". "The enemy does not sleep"!
              1. Lipchanin
                Lipchanin 7 October 2020 12: 24
                11
                Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                Who can say with confidence - "mattress covers will not create hypersonic and will not arm their troughs with them in 10 years

                And for 10 years we will sit exactly on the pope and wait until they catch up with us?
                1. Krasnoyarsk
                  Krasnoyarsk 7 October 2020 12: 35
                  +7
                  Quote: Lipchanin

                  And for 10 years we will sit exactly on the pope and wait until they catch up with us?

                  I hope no. I mean, the advantage gained thanks to Zircon will not last long. I repeat - I am very glad that "Zircon" does exist!
                  1. Garris199
                    Garris199 8 October 2020 03: 50
                    +1
                    Could and show the moment of hitting the target (preferably in a vessel of some kind) would be epic and clear.
                    1. Igor Berg
                      Igor Berg 8 October 2020 20: 11
                      -3
                      https://www.gazeta.ru/army/2020/10/08/13311433.shtml можно смотреть целый день...
                    2. Kalmar
                      Kalmar 9 October 2020 09: 06
                      0
                      Quote: Garris199
                      Could and show the moment of hitting the target (preferably in a vessel of some kind) would be epic and clear.

                      Furiously plus. A short piece of video in a general shot, where it would be visible how the missile at clearly hypersonic speed hits the target. And all the questions from the series "Is there really Zircon?" But no, they continue to impose incomprehensible secrecy.
                2. ancient
                  ancient 7 October 2020 12: 51
                  +6
                  Quote: Lipchanin
                  And for 10 years we will sit exactly on the pope and wait until they catch up with us?

                  And how many years have we been "pushing" the KR X-32 into the Air Force and what result do you know ...? bully
                  1. Kalmar
                    Kalmar 9 October 2020 09: 04
                    +1
                    Quote: ancient
                    And how many years have we been "pushing" the KR X-32 into the Air Force and what result do you know ...?

                    By the way, how did it end? They write that they took it into service, and then it was somehow suspiciously quiet.
                    1. ancient
                      ancient 9 October 2020 12: 17
                      0
                      Quote: Kalmar
                      By the way, how did it end?

                      Sorry, but .. this "infa" is only .... "in the part concerning" bully ... hopefully remember this wording wink
                      The rocket is in service ... this is a fact, but otherwise ... "like a gopher" from one series lol
              2. Boris Chernikov
                Boris Chernikov 7 October 2020 12: 35
                0
                well .. you can commit an act of suicide in that case .. why live then?
              3. Vadim_888
                Vadim_888 9 October 2020 15: 17
                0
                ... mattress covers and in 10 years will not create

                Already in full experience if that
            3. stas
              stas 7 October 2020 13: 41
              -13 qualifying.
              Whoever licks more will get it faster than the general, everything is like in MO!
              1. Pashhenko Nikolay
                Pashhenko Nikolay 7 October 2020 17: 36
                +1
                Not news.
            4. Sirocco
              Sirocco 7 October 2020 15: 42
              -8
              Quote: Lipchanin
              Yes, not big, but huge

              What are we making noise about? What is visible in the video? Launching some kind of rocket and nothing more. And there is a lot to talk about, and this has happened more than once both at conferences and in other places and audiences. And clap your hands and admire it when this rocket is shown in action, in Syria, or other theaters of war. It was so? No, then what do you admire?
              1. vargo
                vargo 7 October 2020 17: 34
                12
                According to your logic, we also need to check the SNF for effectiveness?) Where are we going to test? Also in Syria?
                1. qQQQ
                  qQQQ 8 October 2020 09: 00
                  -1
                  Quote: vargo
                  According to your logic, we also need to check the SNF for effectiveness?) Where are we going to test? Also in Syria?

                  Regarding "What can be seen in the video? The launch of some kind of rocket and nothing more. And there is a lot to talk about, and this has happened more than once both at conferences and in other places and audiences." the author is absolutely right, in fact, the video with the SNF tests is just a video with the launch of a rocket, for me the proof would be, at least, the footage with the arrival of the BB simulators and the distance of their deviation from the target, and about Zircon, a video of the arrival at the target would not hurt ... I would like to remind you about the video with the tests of the next wunderwafe of the "non-brothers", everyone there unanimously indicated that they just showed the start, which means there is nothing to talk about further.
          2. novel66
            novel66 7 October 2020 11: 48
            18
            at least 500 km to the coast will not fit
            1. Lipchanin
              Lipchanin 7 October 2020 12: 20
              +4
              What was required to prove
            2. ancient
              ancient 7 October 2020 12: 54
              +3
              Quote: novel xnumx
              at least 500 km to the coast will not fit

              And itm at the initial stage is closer and not necessary ... this is already in the 3rd or 4th echelon, when it will be possible to use AUG or AUS ... then yes ... but by this time already ... . (purely hypothetical thoughts ... please do not throw ........ wassat )
          3. RVAPatriot
            RVAPatriot 7 October 2020 11: 51
            -29 qualifying.
            Do we need a naval war ??? Russia is a land power !!!!
            1. codetalker
              codetalker 7 October 2020 11: 58
              18
              Wow on land ... you count how many seas wash our land.
              1. RVAPatriot
                RVAPatriot 7 October 2020 12: 01
                -22 qualifying.
                And you count, where is a real threat to us at least someone can ???
                1. Lipchanin
                  Lipchanin 7 October 2020 12: 16
                  +9
                  Quote: RVAPatriot
                  And you count, where is a real threat to us at least someone can ???

                  Baltic, Black Sea, Pacific Ocean.
                  Is that enough?
                  1. Temples
                    Temples 7 October 2020 14: 42
                    +2
                    Quote: RVAPatriot
                    And you count, where is a real threat to us at least someone can ???

                    Alaska was sold due to the lack of an efficient fleet, which entailed the likelihood of losing these lands.
                    They sold it, although in fact the Americans simply squeezed these lands, and there was nothing to answer.

                    The British planned to squeeze Kamchatka.

                    The Japanese were blown away at sea and lost Sakhalin.

                    Only a small segment after the Second World War, our fleet was something of a kind.

                    There will be no fleet, there will be no Far East and Kamchatka.

                    The Transib does not go to Kamchatka and the BAM is a bit sideways.
                    The north coast is also a bit away from the BAM

                    Those who talk about land Russia apparently skipped geography lessons at school.

                    RVAPatriot, What country are you a patriot?
                    1. keeper03
                      keeper03 7 October 2020 16: 52
                      +2
                      Nothing, there will be time, we will take away everything that was ours, or even more! wassat angry
                  2. RVAPatriot
                    RVAPatriot 7 October 2020 22: 56
                    -2
                    A real threat !!! And then they nominated uryakalka here ... Do you think someone will seriously butt with us ????
                    1. Garris199
                      Garris199 8 October 2020 03: 59
                      -2
                      Well, for example, our FAS banned Europe from buying liquefied gas from America, put a couple of frigates with zircons to secure the court's decision and does not care. Patrol ships deploy gas carriers, and if anything, those who disagree receive a gift in the bochin. And even an aircraft carrier will not help, the law is the same for everyone). And no matter how personal, just business.
                      1. Igor Berg
                        Igor Berg 8 October 2020 20: 14
                        -1
                        belay is the head in order? What kind of court? Who? These solutions can only be wiped off
                2. ancient
                  ancient 7 October 2020 12: 56
                  +3
                  Quote: RVAPatriot
                  where is a real threat to us at least someone can ???

                  Wherever ... they want ... and who ... "NATO" or U, SA ... well, China ... is on its way ... if anything bully
                3. Andrey Victorovich
                  Andrey Victorovich 8 October 2020 09: 08
                  +1
                  They didn’t screw up the Crimea a little bit, and Yeltsin didn’t give up the Kuriles for a little. What would be the result? We might not have been released from the Black Sea to Syria, and Nato and the Japs would now be in charge of Okhotsk.
              2. Mordvin 3
                Mordvin 3 7 October 2020 13: 21
                -8
                Quote: codetalker
                Count how many seas wash our land.

                Aha, and the merchant fleet is walking under foreign rags.
                1. Motorist
                  Motorist 7 October 2020 20: 59
                  +1
                  Quote: Mordvin 3
                  the merchant navy walks under foreign rags

                  More than half of the world's fleet operates under foreign, as you put it, "rags" (flags of convenience). This is a kind of offshore. How to deal with this in the realities of capitalism - I don't know. Only by expropriation, probably ...

                  PS On the other hand: maybe there is no need to fight this - the flag on the merchant ship has long ago turned into what you wrote ... It will only be a shame (like, the Russian flag is at the Liberian level). IMHO.
                  1. Mordvin 3
                    Mordvin 3 7 October 2020 21: 07
                    +3
                    Quote: Motorist
                    More than half of the world's fleet operates under foreign, as you put it, "rags" (flags of convenience).

                    Why does the state-owned company Sovcomflot fly under foreign flags?
                    And so we begin to list.

                    1) Out of 149 (one hundred forty-nine) Sovcomflot vessels, only 21 vessels sail under the Russian flag, the rest are registered under the so-called flags of convenience: Liberia - 115, Cyprus - 11 and Singapore - 2. If with Cyprus and Singapore everything is clear, but I'm sure the reader will be very interested to learn about registration under the flag of Liberia. If you believe that the Liberian registry is located in African Monrovia, then you are greatly mistaken, since it is located in the city of New York, USA, at:

                    99 Park Avenue, Suite 1830

                    New York, New York 10016-1601 USA

                    Phone: + 1 212 697 3434

                    Fax: + 1 212 697 5655

                    Email: [email protected]

                    Agree that in the current political realities, keeping 115 courts of a strategically important state enterprise under the jurisdiction of, let's say frankly, a state hostile to our country, is not at all reasonable, if only because if for some foreign policy reasons the Liberian Register forbids the courts under our flag to enter the port of the Russian Federation, the ships of the company Sovkomflot will not be able to return to our ports. Further, the company must pay annually for the registration of ships under the flags of Liberia, Cyprus and Singapore, it is also necessary to pay for the issuance of seafarers' certificates, several ship documents issued by the flag state, conducting external audits to the seamen, in the amount of 2 million dollars a year. Agree to pay every year at least 2 a million dollars to a hostile state is humiliating and unworthy.
                    https://balt-lloyd.ru/sudohodstvo/sudohodnaja-kompanija-sovkomflot.htmal
                    A disgrace.
                    1. Mordvin 3
                      Mordvin 3 7 October 2020 21: 10
                      +1
                      By the way, don't you think that JV 2 cannot be completed, because Fortuna is under a foreign flag?
                      1. Motorist
                        Motorist 7 October 2020 21: 38
                        +1
                        For "Fortune": as I understand it (from the press), there is a problem with insurance because of the sanctions. It's not about the flag. But this press writes - you can believe, but you can divide by eight; maybe everything is in order and will start work after the re-equipment (according to my sources, it is in full swing).
                      2. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 7 October 2020 21: 44
                        +2
                        Quote: Motorist
                        It's not about the flag. But the press writes - you can believe, but you can divide by eight; maybe everything is in order and will start work after re-equipment

                        Don't you confuse Fortuna with Chersky? Fortune just in my opinion refused to build a stream.
                        The resumption of the construction of Nord Stream 2 is postponed indefinitely - the barge Fortuna will not participate in laying pipes on the bottom of the Baltic Sea. RBC was informed about this by the tenant of the barge - the company Mezhregiontruboprovodstroy (without specifying who is its owner). The reason is obvious - the company does not intend to subject the vessel to US sanctions.

                        https://kapital-rus.ru/articles/article/fortuna_otvernulas_ot_severnogo_potoka2_kto_ego_dostroit__neyasno/
                      3. Motorist
                        Motorist 7 October 2020 21: 52
                        +2
                        Quote: Mordvin 3
                        Don't you confuse Fortuna with Chersky? Fortune just in my opinion refused to build a stream.

                        The source promised to find out tomorrow. Unsubscribe based on the results. hi
                      4. Motorist
                        Motorist 7 October 2020 23: 41
                        +1
                        Quote: Mordvin 3
                        Don't you confuse Fortuna with Chersky?

                        You're right - I got it wrong. I called the source for a beer, and this is what I found out: "Chersky" because of the Kongsberg sanctions turned off dynamic positioning, it was being re-equipped to another DP system (finished, no - not yet in the know). Why “Chersky” left for Kaliningrad - there is no information yet.
                2. Motorist
                  Motorist 7 October 2020 21: 20
                  +1
                  Quote: Mordvin 3
                  Why does the state-owned company Sovcomflot fly under foreign flags?

                  If the steamships operated by Sovcomflot actually belong to the state (and not to shareholders), then someone needs to knock on the hat. Or maybe some of them should be kept under the flag, to bypass sanctions, for example. I am h.z., to be honest, what are the strategies in Sovcomflot, sorry ... request
                  1. Mordvin 3
                    Mordvin 3 7 October 2020 21: 25
                    0
                    Quote: Motorist
                    If the steamers operated by Sovcomflot are in fact state owned

                    100% of the shares of JSC Sovcomflot are owned by the Russian Federation.
                    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A1%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BC%D1%84%D0%BB%D0%BE%D1%82
                    This is from Vicky, too lazy to poke around.
                  2. Motorist
                    Motorist 7 October 2020 21: 30
                    0
                    The shipping company can operate steamers, but not own them. Each steamer can be a separate JSC. The fact of the matter is that it is not easy for an ordinary person to get to the bottom of this.
                  3. Mordvin 3
                    Mordvin 3 7 October 2020 21: 56
                    0
                    Quote: Motorist
                    The shipping company can operate steamers, but not own them.

                    As far as I understand, Sovcomflot is owned by the Federal Property Management Agency.
            2. lopvlad
              lopvlad 8 October 2020 21: 57
              0
              Quote: Mordvin 3
              Why does the state-owned company Sovcomflot fly under foreign flags?


              it is also owned by the state as the Central Bank of Russia. Sovcomflot and the Central Bank are federal property. So isn't federal property owned by the state? As the transaction for the purchase of Sberbank showed, this is when the Central Bank (federal property), which owned Sberbank, sold it for a huge amount of money to the Russian government (state), federal property and state property are far from synonymous.
              It is only Wikipedia that considers federal and state property synonymous.
    2. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
      Andrei from Chelyabinsk 7 October 2020 12: 03
      12
      Quote: RVAPatriot
      Do we need a naval war ???

      Well, tell this to the American ships when they start planting Tomahawks with YABC on us from the sea
      1. RVAPatriot
        RVAPatriot 7 October 2020 12: 16
        -12 qualifying.
        + You, as if for a joke ... And we will shoot at the sparrows at this time ???
        1. ancient
          ancient 7 October 2020 12: 58
          -6
          Quote: RVAPatriot
          And we will shoot at the sparrows at this time ???

          And you have ... "shooters" at least remained ... after "successful ... reforming" from the 90s? crying
          This is not for you on ... a training ground ... for TV cameras wassat
          1. Volder
            Volder 8 October 2020 22: 26
            -3
            Quote: ancient
            And you have .. "shooters" at least remained ... after "successful ... reforming" from the 90s?
            Don't forget about aviation: Russia has anti-ship aircraft missiles. They and their carriers (aircraft) will be enough to shower the enemy fleet approaching repeatedly. It is clear that the enemy will not send his entire fleet to Russia, exposing other directions and bases in the world.
            1. ancient
              ancient 9 October 2020 00: 26
              +1
              Quote: Volder
              Don't forget about aviation: Russia has anti-ship aircraft missiles

              List in the "studio" ..... it is anti-ship missiles that can .. "get" an aircraft carrier at 1000-1500 lines (preferably with the calculation of the necessary means of destruction. The number of salvoes and the flatness of missiles in a salvo to at least disable the AV)? wassat
              Quote: Volder
              They and their carriers (aircraft) will be enough to shower the enemy fleet approaching repeatedly.

              But from this moment in general ... in more detail ... about ... "there will be enough carriers" wassat (and also the calculation of the required outfit of forces and means and support forces (I suggest ... they are not there now ... in general ... so do not strain your ... fool ) to destroy the AUG. wassat
              1. Volder
                Volder 16 October 2020 12: 03
                -2
                Quote: ancient
                The list in the "studio" ..... it is the anti-ship missiles that can be used to .. "get" the aircraft carrier at 1000-1500 km
                You want to be provided with information on a handy blue platter. They completely wet themselves on the sofa. No, dear, look and count yourself. According to my calculations, it turns out that Russia for all 4 fleets will be able to collect from 350 to 400 air-based anti-ship missiles in one salvo (i.e. without reloading aircraft).
                But from this moment in general ... in more detail ... about ... "there will be enough carriers", and also the calculation of the required order of forces and means of support for the destruction of the AUG.
                Considering that modern Russian missiles (unlike American ones) are very difficult to shoot down, then carriers are needed much less than it was under the USSR. And with the advent of the hypersonic "Dagger", only 1 of its carrier is required to neutralize 1 aircraft carrier. It was during the Cold War that significant resources (air divisions) were allocated for bombarding AUG missiles. Now the quantity has grown into quality and, accordingly, so many resources are not needed. I proceed from this. It is not difficult to calculate how many RCC carriers the Russian Federation has, since the information is open (although not entirely relevant - a year ago). But for you, apparently, it is difficult, since you are asking me.
              2. ancient
                ancient 16 October 2020 12: 40
                +1
                Quote: Volder
                You want to be provided with information on a handy blue platter. They completely wet themselves on the sofa. No, dear, look and count yourself.

                Dear ... I flew with these missiles all my adult life ... so it's not for you to tell me ... where and what ... to look wassat
                Quote: Volder
                And with the advent of the hypersonic "Dagger" only 1 carrier is required to neutralize 1 aircraft carrier.

                First, the 9-S-7760 rocket, the Dagger complex (this is me, just in case ... for .. "nobles" lol ) is not hypersonic, but .. aeroballistic.
                Secondly .... try to get into it again ... "not tied" lol
                Quote: Volder
                Now the quantity has grown into quality and, accordingly, so many resources are not needed.

                Developers of methods and ways of dealing with IBM, AUG and AUS ... nervously beating in hysterics ... wassat
                Where are you from fool ... come from? belay
                Quote: Volder
                But for you, apparently, it is difficult, since you are asking me.

                With you everything is clear ... not in the army, and even more so in the Air Force ... the last time they were ... never.
                Please do not bother ... especially if you do not understand the sarcasm in response to your " fellowslogans " wassat
              3. Volder
                Volder 19 October 2020 11: 27
                -4
                Quote: ancient
                Dear ... I have flown with these rockets all my adult life ...
                Maybe they did, but they still haven't bothered to make the calculations. And in general, it is enough to perceive the current reality through the prism of the templates of the past.
                the 9-S-7760 missile of the "Dagger" complex is not hypersonic
                Of course it is.
                Developers of methods and methods of dealing with IBM, AUG and AUS ... nervously beating in hysteria ...
                If anyone is hysterical, it is the generals in the Pentagon, who have recently been trying to reconsider the current state of the AUG and even replace aircraft carriers with something else.
                Please do not bother ... especially if you do not understand the sarcasm in response to your "slogans"
                From now on, comment on the merits, and keep your sarcasm to yourself. Or don't answer at all.
              4. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
                Andrei from Chelyabinsk 19 October 2020 19: 00
                +2
                Quote: Volder
                Comment on the merits henceforth

                If you are not able to understand the essence of the issue, these are your problems. Compared to the person with whom you took up an argument, you are not even a boy in short pants.
      2. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
        Andrei from Chelyabinsk 9 October 2020 07: 45
        +1
        Quote: Volder
        Don't forget about aviation: Russia has anti-ship aircraft missiles. They and their carriers (aircraft) will be enough

        For reference - earlier for these purposes, the USSR Navy had an air division of naval missile-carrying aviation for each fleet, not counting tactical aviation. Today, only a small number of fighters remain in the Russian Navy, and we have exactly one regiment for all missile carriers, but it is part of the Aerospace Forces. In general, if all this aviation from all fleets + Tu-22M3 of the Aerospace Forces are concentrated in one place ... some chance to kill one aircraft carrier can and will be. AUS - no.
        If we look at things realistically (that is, taking into account combat training, the presence of anti-ship missiles, etc.), we cannot even master one aircraft carrier today
        1. Volder
          Volder 16 October 2020 12: 32
          -1
          Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
          For reference - earlier for these purposes, the USSR Navy had an air division of naval missile-carrying aviation for each fleet, not counting tactical aviation.
          The NATO fleet has noticeably thinned out over the past 30-40 years, but we need to defend not the territory of the USSR, but the borders of Russia. The effectiveness of Russian weapons has increased significantly ... Thinking in terms of the Cold War of the XNUMXth century is a mistake.
          Today, only a small number of fighters remain in the Russian Navy.
          Yes, there was a reorganization, most of the aircraft from the Navy were transferred to the Aerospace Forces, some were decommissioned. Here you need to understand that in a threatened war period, the fleet will operate in conjunction with the Aerospace Forces.
          In general, if all this aviation from all fleets + Tu-22M3 of the Aerospace Forces are concentrated in one place ... some chance to kill one aircraft carrier can and will be. AUS - no.
          Update your data on anti-ship missile carriers - it feels like you are underestimating the number. Why did you decide that our aircraft would not be able to neutralize the AUG is a mystery to me.
          If we look at things realistically (that is, taking into account combat training, the availability of anti-ship missiles, etc.), we cannot even master one aircraft carrier today.
          Oh, they made fun of it :) Considering the number of conducted exercises, everything is in order with combat training in the Russian Federation. And our rockets are considered one of the best in the world. I don’t share your pessimism.
        2. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
          Andrei from Chelyabinsk 16 October 2020 12: 47
          +2
          Dmitry, have you decided to kill me with laughter, or what?
          You do not know anything AT ALL about the topic under discussion. Where are you climbing?
          Quote: Volder
          The NATO fleet has noticeably thinned out over the past 30-40 years, but we need to defend not the territory of the USSR, but the borders of Russia. The effectiveness of Russian weapons has increased significantly ...

          Sure. If earlier we had an MPA regiment for an aircraft carrier, now we have a regiment for 10 aircraft carriers, not counting the British and Franks.
          Quote: Volder
          The effectiveness of Russian weapons has increased significantly ...

          Yes, we destroyed our naval reconnaissance and target designation system
          Quote: Volder
          Here you need to understand that in a threatened war period, the fleet will operate in conjunction with the Aerospace Forces.

          Quite right. And given that the Aerospace Forces will not be able to solve their own problems due to the obvious small number, everything that can fly will be spent on solving the problems of the Aerospace Forces, and not the Navy
          Quote: Volder
          Update your data on anti-ship missile carriers - it feels like you are underestimating the number.

          Do not confuse tactical aircraft, which can theoretically carry anti-ship missiles and MPAs.
          Quote: Volder
          Why did you decide that our aircraft would not be able to neutralize the AUG is a mystery to me.

          Study the hardware at least at a minimal level - questions will disappear by themselves.
          Quote: Volder
          Oh, they made fun of it :) Considering the number of conducted exercises, everything is in order with combat training in the Russian Federation.

          wassat fool
          Another victim of the media. "Okay" with our naval aviation exercises today, except for the wild 90s. But up to the level of the late USSR, we still have to grow and grow. There, entire divisions received the task of relocating to another theater in a day, identifying and attacking the target. Now...
        3. Volder
          Volder 19 October 2020 12: 54
          -2
          Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
          If earlier we had an MPA regiment for an aircraft carrier, now we have a regiment for 10 aircraft carriers, not counting the British and Franks.
          What are the 10 aircraft carriers ?? In recent years, the United States has only 3 aircraft carriers operational, only 1 aircraft carrier operates in the northern direction towards Russia, and the rest - in the southern directions. Aircraft carriers of the British and French do not go to the northern seas. But even if NATO scrapes 3-4 aircraft carriers and sends them to the northern seas, then all of them will be neutralized between the Norwegian and Barents Seas by our VKS missile-carrying aircraft with anti-ship missiles on board. In the southern direction - exactly the same. The current generation of Russian missiles is practically invulnerable, therefore, due to the high-quality algorithms for breaking through the air defense and the launch range, Russia does not need to maintain the same armada of resources that was in the USSR.
          And given that the Aerospace Forces will not be able to solve their own problems due to the obvious small number, everything that can fly will be spent on solving the problems of the Aerospace Forces, and not the Navy.
          It depends on what kind of war and what tasks. If the NATO countries all together impose on Russia at the same time, then yes - the planes may not be enough. However, this is unlikely, because the Third World War is a guaranteed destruction of each other with nuclear weapons. To resist 3-4 countries, combat aviation should be enough. In addition, Russia ranks second in the world in terms of the number of military aircraft (after the United States). And by the way, there is no need to separate the Aerospace Forces from the Navy as if they do not intersect in anything. Thanks to the established National Center for Defense Management, it is possible to engage in network-centric defense, i.e. The VKS and the Navy act as a single organism.
          Do not confuse tactical aircraft, which can theoretically carry anti-ship missiles and MPAs.
          Tactical aircraft can launch anti-ship missiles, which means that in a threatened war period they will do this. Aerospace Forces will perform the functions of MRA - rockets are suspended from airplanes, and more! It's good when looking for versatility ...
          "Okay" with our naval aviation exercises today, except for the wild 90s.
          Why are you obsessed with naval aviation? It's about videoconferencing in general!
          But up to the level of the late USSR, we still have to grow and grow. There, entire divisions received the task of relocating to another theater in a day, identifying and attacking the target. Now...
          What does the USSR have to do with it? He has been gone for a long time. In the past, entire divisions were transferred to another VD theater in order to seize territory - as in 1945. Now it is not necessary to capture anything, it is enough to inflict unacceptable damage for the enemy to retreat. You continue to think in terms of the twentieth century. This is mistake.
        4. Volder
          Volder 19 October 2020 13: 56
          -2
          Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
          Yes, we destroyed our naval reconnaissance and target designation system
          In the next branch there is someone under the nickname Operator set out a point of view about naval target designation. I will quote in full and literally:
          There is not a single problem with external target designation for Zircon when working on AUG:
          - one RTR satellite in a geostationary orbit detects radio emission from a standard air defense system AUG in the person of the Hawkeye carrier-based AWACS aircraft at a distance of 40000 km, thereby controlling all the lower hemispheres, two RTR satellites in a geostationary orbit monitor the entire surface of the Earth online;
          - ZGRLS "Container" sees surface targets from the destroyer and above at a distance of 6000 km;
          - RTR satellites in low orbit detect radio emission from aircraft carrier takeoff and landing radio devices at a distance of 2000 km;
          - The carrier submarine "Zirkonov" provides direction finding of hydroacoustic noise of the aircraft carrier's propeller-driven group at a distance of 1000 km.
          When the Zircon approaches the calculated point of meeting with the AUG, it switches to homing with the operation of the RGSN through the stability window in the plasma cocoon, and its special warhead with a capacity of 1 MTn allows you to ignore all false targets in the AUG.
          RGSN "Zirkona" from a height of 30 km sees a square of 100x100 km. Therefore, the accuracy of external target designation should be no more than 100 km. Do you have doubts about the similar accuracy of determination of coordinates using RTR?
        5. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
          Andrei from Chelyabinsk 19 October 2020 18: 58
          +1
          Quote: Volder
          In the next branch, someone under the nickname Operator stated his point of view on naval target designation.

          The fact that you are not able to understand what kind of game is being carried by "someone under the nickname" Operator "makes it meaningless to continue the discussion. The fact that you do not know ALL the historical experience of the world, which proves that only naval aviation can successfully fight over the sea says that you do not know the history of the issue, sorry, but I just do not see any reason to waste my time on you.
          If you are really interested in understanding the issue, start ... well, at least with this
          https://topwar.ru/176082-morskaja-vojna-dlja-nachinajuschih-vyvodim-avianosec-na-udar.html#comment-id-10877481
          I just don't think you are interested. So live your fantasies. Is that here
          Quote: Volder
          What are the 10 aircraft carriers ?? In recent years, the United States has only 3 combat-ready aircraft carriers.

          And, you will not believe it, during the Cold War it was about the same. Another question is that the United States has always had a clear program for the commissioning of the AB by the beginning of a potential conflict - which is typical, Armageddon will not arise from scratch
  • Andrei from Chelyabinsk
    Andrei from Chelyabinsk 7 October 2020 13: 08
    +3
    Quote: RVAPatriot
    And we will shoot at the sparrows at this time ???

    You asked why we need naval warfare. I answered. Your reply implies that you understood me (since you realized the fact that you need to shoot in response with something)
    1. Alex777
      Alex777 7 October 2020 16: 16
      0
      It seems to me that every Ash will become almost strategic as soon as it approaches the USA for 500 km. wink
      1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
        Andrei from Chelyabinsk 9 October 2020 07: 47
        -1
        Quote: Alex777
        It seems to me that every Ash will become almost strategic as soon as it approaches the USA for 500 km.

        Each is which one? :)))) We have Severodvinsk. And even after the commissioning of all 9 Ash trees - are you going to destroy 10 American AVs with them, repel 50 US nuclear submarines and send them to fight to the US coast for some more? :))
        1. Alex777
          Alex777 9 October 2020 09: 01
          0
          Are you going to destroy 10 American AB with them, repel 50 US nuclear submarines and send some more to fight on the US coast?

          I am not going to. The war at sea is still beyond our strength.
          Don't you consider strikes against enemy control centers expedient?
          Well, Nofolk is also a very good target.
        2. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
          Andrei from Chelyabinsk 9 October 2020 09: 18
          -1
          Quote: Alex777
          Don't you consider strikes against enemy control centers expedient?

          ICBM only :)))
          Quote: Alex777
          Well, Nofolk is also a very good target.

          The whole question is that sending our submarines without any support during the conflict to a NATO submarine (a breakthrough into the Atlantic, etc.) seems to be a strange form of suicide, and besides, they will be desperately needed in the Barents submarine to combat NATO submarines ...
  • Escobar
    Escobar 7 October 2020 13: 33
    -3
    And intercept nuclear ballistic missiles from offshore platforms
  • Lipchanin
    Lipchanin 7 October 2020 12: 14
    +2
    Quote: RVAPatriot
    Do we need a naval war ???

    Do you think that an aircraft carrier will not be able to approach our shores?
    1. RVAPatriot
      RVAPatriot 7 October 2020 12: 17
      -5
      if only 5 fleet from the RB side
      1. Lipchanin
        Lipchanin 7 October 2020 12: 20
        +3
        Quote: RVAPatriot
        if only 5 fleet from the RB side

        Did you teach geography at school?
        Do we have no way out to the Pacific Ocean?
    2. RVAPatriot
      RVAPatriot 7 October 2020 12: 25
      -7
      to which one is imperceptible ???
      1. Lipchanin
        Lipchanin 7 October 2020 12: 29
        +4
        And what does it have to do with it? belay
        You here stubbornly want to prove to everyone that no one threatens us from the sea
    3. 1976AG
      1976AG 7 October 2020 12: 48
      +5
      Quote: Lipchanin
      Quote: RVAPatriot
      Do we need a naval war ???

      Do you think that an aircraft carrier will not be able to approach our shores?

      He confuses us with Belarus.
    4. ancient
      ancient 7 October 2020 13: 00
      -1
      Quote: Lipchanin
      Do you think that an aircraft carrier will not be able to approach our shores?

      And at first he will not, but will stand in the area behind the KUG and will provide air cover ... and only then, when the bridgehead is already seized and the destruction of air defense systems ... he can approach 200-250 km for the operation of his aviation .. .but by this time there will be no ground targets left for carrier-based aircraft soldier
      1. Lipchanin
        Lipchanin 7 October 2020 13: 49
        -2
        Quote: ancient
        for 200-250 for the work of their aviation

        And we no longer have aviation? belay
        How many planes he has on the deck and how many we have on the airdromes
        Well, he will milk 200-250 km. I quote from the article

        The Chief of the General Staff of the Russian Armed Forces noted thatthen the target was hit at a distance of about 450 km.

        And if with a vigorous bonba, then this AUG will not remain Not AH not UG
        1. ancient
          ancient 7 October 2020 14: 01
          +1
          Quote: Lipchanin
          And we no longer have aviation?

          The radio, what ... on an armored train? wassat
          I specifically wrote ....- ".... And at first he will not, and will be in the area behind the KUG and will provide air cover."
          Quote: Lipchanin
          How many planes he has on the deck and how many we have on the airdromes

          And how many airfields and aviation do you have ... suitable for striking the AKR on the KUG if the KUG is in the first echelon at a distance of 1000-1200 km? wassat
          1. Lipchanin
            Lipchanin 7 October 2020 14: 05
            -2
            Quote: ancient
            And at first he will not be, but will stand in the area behind the KUG and will provide air cover. "

            This is why "Zircon" is needed to sink it there along with the planes
            "Suitable for striking the AKR on the KUG if the KUG is in the first echelon at a distance"
            Yes, I said that all the airplanes that will reach us will be controversial, for there are much more of ours


            1. ancient
              ancient 7 October 2020 14: 08
              -2
              Quote: Lipchanin
              This is why "Zircon" is needed to sink it there along with the planes

              "Who or what" him, this "Zircon" ... will "bring" at a distance ... 450 km to ... the target, if the target is in the 1200-1500 km area from the enemy coast? wassat
              Again or again "swinging a vigorous club ... swinging"? wassat
          2. Volder
            Volder 8 October 2020 22: 37
            -1
            Quote: ancient
            And how many airfields and aviation do you have ... suitable for striking the AKR on the KUG if the KUG is in the first echelon at a distance of 1000-1200 km?
            We have enough airfields and aircraft with anti-ship missiles to destroy several AUG at a distance of 1000 km or more. You certainly won't believe it. Therefore, I recommend doing the calculations yourself. For a rough calculation, you should know which aircraft we have can carry anti-ship missiles, how many aircraft are in service, types of anti-ship missiles, how many missiles each aircraft can take on board. Then report the results publicly.
            1. ancient
              ancient 9 October 2020 00: 20
              0
              Quote: Volder
              We have enough airfields and aircraft with anti-ship missiles to destroy several AUG at a distance of 1000 km or more.

              Come on, come on ... more details from this moment ... wassat
              Quote: Volder
              You certainly won't believe it.

              Naturally not ... in my time, it was very possible under the USSR, and you will be surprised, but real exercises were regularly conducted with AKR salvo fires.
              And also practiced tactically practical flights to real AUG wink
              Quote: Volder
              For a rough calculation, you should know which aircraft we have can carry anti-ship missiles, how many aircraft are in service, types of anti-ship missiles, how many missiles each aircraft can take on board.

              I, unlike you, know all this perfectly well - who, where, how much and .. "for what" ... unlike you, who except fellow , hats and ... something else you don't know anything. wassat
              Quote: Volder
              Then report the results publicly.

              Overheated? belay fool wassat sad
      2. ancient
        ancient 7 October 2020 14: 03
        +4
        Quote: ancient
        and only then, when the bridgehead is already captured and the air defense systems are destroyed ... it can come up to 200-250 km for the operation of its aviation ... but by this time there will be no ground targets left for carrier-based aviation

        I watch .. podtyanul .. "naval strategists" .. all their life destroying the KUG and AUG wassat
        Let's .. "ischo" .. "cons" .. show your .... fool
  • Operator
    Operator 7 October 2020 12: 41
    -2
    And let's take naval war here - the Washington White House is a very land target when firing a sea-based GKR with an approach time of less than 10 minutes. bully
    1. ancient
      ancient 7 October 2020 13: 04
      0
      Quote: Operator
      the Washington White House is a very land target when firing a sea-based GKR with an approach time of less than 10 minutes

      I completely agree drinks , that's just how long will it take to wait until the GKR MB .. "settle" on the nuclear submarine? wink
      And how many of these nuclear submarines do we have compared to the USNAVY nuclear submarine fleet?
  • 1976AG
    1976AG 7 October 2020 12: 46
    +4
    Quote: RVAPatriot
    Do we need a naval war ??? Russia is a land power !!!!

    We don't need any war, but ... they are imposing.
  • Mordvin 3
    Mordvin 3 7 October 2020 11: 56
    -11 qualifying.
    Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
    Zircon is a big step forward in terms of means of warfare at sea, and this cannot be denied.

    They will overwhelm us with numbers.
    1. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin 7 October 2020 12: 17
      0
      Quote: Mordvin 3
      They will overwhelm us with numbers.

      Legs up the hill?
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 7 October 2020 12: 21
        -1
        Quote: Lipchanin
        Legs up the hill?

        Our proud "Varyag!" am
        1. Lipchanin
          Lipchanin 7 October 2020 12: 26
          +3
          Quote: Mordvin 3
          Our proud "Varyag!"

          That's it
    2. Nyrobsky
      Nyrobsky 7 October 2020 12: 19
      +8
      Quote: mordvin xnumx
      Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
      Zircon is a big step forward in terms of means of warfare at sea, and this cannot be denied.

      They will overwhelm us with numbers.

      Will not overwhelm. It will be a Pyrrhic victory, after which they will have to spend the rest of their lives in a bunker in search of an answer to the question - "What fools did we miss?"
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 7 October 2020 12: 26
        -7
        Quote: Nyrobsky
        the rest of their lives they will have to spend in a bunker in search of an answer to the question - "What were we fools lacking?"

        I doubt that we will be using a vigorous loaf. Is that from hopelessness.
        1. DenZ
          DenZ 7 October 2020 12: 57
          +2
          Quote: Mordvin 3
          I doubt that we will be using a vigorous loaf. Is that from hopelessness

          Well, this is not an impossible option (from hopelessness to use), especially in war.
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 7 October 2020 13: 05
            -16 qualifying.
            Quote: DenZ
            Well this is not an impossible option

            Hitler broadcast about super-duper weapons at the end of 44, but never used it.
            1. A009
              A009 7 October 2020 15: 11
              +6
              1- did he have it?
              2- are you out of your mind to compare Russia with Nazi Germany? We don't seem to attack anyone. And if we have to use the "super-duper", then obviously not for capture, but for defense. Can't you see the difference?
              1. Mordvin 3
                Mordvin 3 7 October 2020 15: 25
                -11 qualifying.
                Quote: A009
                did he have it?

                Goebbels broadcast what happened.
                Quote: A009
                Are you out of your mind to compare Russia with Nazi Germany?

                I am comparing states.
                Quote: A009
                And if you have to use "super-duper", then obviously not for capture but for defense.

                Sure? Ukraine believes that we have captured the Crimea.
              2. 1976AG
                1976AG 7 October 2020 16: 19
                +6
                Yes, Ukraine believes that in the Donbass it is at war with the Russian army ...
              3. lopvlad
                lopvlad 8 October 2020 22: 16
                0
                Quote: Mordvin 3
                I am comparing states.


                that is, you are putting the fascist state of Germany in the times of Hitler and the modern state of Russia on a par?
              4. Mordvin 3
                Mordvin 3 8 October 2020 22: 55
                -2
                Quote: lopvlad
                that is, you are putting the fascist state of Germany in the times of Hitler and the modern state of Russia on a par?

                Don't juggle. There are a lot of states in the world with their own history and problems. And I can also answer that I put them on the opposite row of the board. Pure sophistry. Only it is not clear from whom. We won, period.
            2. Volder
              Volder 8 October 2020 22: 50
              0
              Quote: mordvin xnumx
              Ukraine believes that we have captured the Crimea.
              Crimea was taken away from Ukraine by 2 million Ukrainians (residents of Crimea). Russia did not force them.
    3. lopvlad
      lopvlad 8 October 2020 22: 13
      0
      Quote: Mordvin 3
      I doubt that we will use yadryon-baton


      with a nuclear warhead, there are tomahawks and calibers, and zircons will have a nuclear warhead. When the question of existence comes up, all sides will use everything they have.
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 8 October 2020 22: 57
        0
        Quote: lopvlad
        When it comes to existence, then all parties will use whatever they have.

        It looks like suicide.
        1. lopvlad
          lopvlad 9 October 2020 23: 31
          0
          Quote: Mordvin 3
          It looks like suicide.


          want to end your life with a pile of ashes in a victor's concentration camp?
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 9 October 2020 23: 45
            0
            Quote: lopvlad
            want to end your life with a pile of ashes in a victor's concentration camp?

            I wish you reasonable decisions.
          2. lopvlad
            lopvlad 13 October 2020 04: 58
            0
            Quote: Mordvin 3
            I wish you reasonable decisions.


            this is a reasonable decision. We already in the early 90s made a "reasonable decision" which turned out to be suicide, disarmed and thought that we would be invited to sit down at the world table of well-being and we were indeed invited to the table, but as a dish.
            Russia is still unable to overcome the consequences of a "reasonable decision" in the form of the extinction of the population of the 90s and the destroyed industry.
            For example, the population of the United States has grown since 1992 from 256 million to 327 million.
            The population of China from 1 billion 133 million to 1 billion 339 million.
            Even the population of the endangered EU countries has grown since 1990
            France from nearly 58 million to 68 million
            Germany from 80-something to 83 million.
            And what about Russia?
            in 1992 the population of the RSFSR was 148 people and now, together with the population of the annexed Crimea (514 people), it is now 692 people.

            In terms of consequences, the "reasonable decision" made in the early 90s in the form of the liquidation of the USSR and attempts to join the Western world surpass the consequences of the Second World War for Russia (both in people and in all industries).
            We have been dying out for 27 years now, and why isn't this suicide?
  • RVAPatriot
    RVAPatriot 7 October 2020 12: 26
    -5
    2-3 rockets with stuffing, everyone ... everyone will understand everything ...
    1. lopvlad
      lopvlad 8 October 2020 22: 21
      0
      Quote: RVAPatriot
      everyone will understand ...


      that even if we use these 2-3 missiles, the damage from these missiles will not exceed their acceptable losses from an attack on us.
  • ancient
    ancient 7 October 2020 14: 09
    -1
    Quote: Mordvin 3
    They will overwhelm us with numbers.

    Well ... exactly, he said .. "urya-patriots" .. pulled up ... now in general .... wink
  • Volder
    Volder 8 October 2020 22: 45
    0
    Quote: mordvin xnumx
    They will overwhelm us with numbers.
    Will not overwhelm. It's not about quantity, but about the quality of the weapon. For example: 2 destroyers "Arleigh Burke", having fired 72 missiles at Syria in 2017, could not solve the tactical task - to neutralize the airfields of the Syrians. Only a few missiles flew to the target. It is clear that in case of aggression against Russia, both destroyers with all missiles would be at the bottom.
  • Machito
    Machito 7 October 2020 21: 55
    0
    Arming our icebreakers with Zircon and Caliber cruise missiles will ensure our superiority in the Arctic Ocean, the shortest route to our sworn friend the United States. Russia does not need to catch up in the development of the US ocean fleet, it needs to overtake the Arctic fleet, where it is in the lead. This is check and checkmate to the star-striped fascists.
  • Kalmar
    Kalmar 9 October 2020 09: 01
    0
    Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
    Zircon is a big step forward in terms of means of warfare at sea, and this cannot be denied.

    If only the rocket itself was shown on such a joyful occasion, but its characteristics were told in more detail (range, speed, warhead, seeker, that's all). I could be wrong, but the video from the launcher shows something very cylindrical - uncharacteristic for a hypersonic missile. Either there is some kind of tricky launch fairing, or it is not "Zircon", but "Onyx" or someone from the "Caliber".
    1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
      Andrei from Chelyabinsk 9 October 2020 09: 18
      0
      Quote: Kalmar
      I may be wrong, but something very cylindrical comes out of the launcher on the video - not typical for a hypersonic missile.

      container
      1. Kalmar
        Kalmar 9 October 2020 09: 25
        0
        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
        container

        In the sense of? Does it start right with the container? What for?
        1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
          Andrei from Chelyabinsk 9 October 2020 10: 07
          0
          Quote: Kalmar
          In the sense of? Does it start right with the container? What for?

          If we look at the "Onyx", we will see that it has a starting and accelerating stage, with a solid propellant engine located in the engine nozzle and providing a mortar start (reset after operation), and a nose cone, which also contains two solid-propellant engines that deploy a rocket after launching in the desired direction, which is fired after being fired. That is, in fact, Onyx does not have a container, but there is a "bottom" and a "lid". But it is far from a fact that the engine of a hypersonic missile can endure the same outrage :)))) So it is quite possible to assume that the "Zircon" is thrown out in a launch cup, which provides a mortar launch, and then fired back.
  • g1v2
    g1v2 7 October 2020 11: 59
    +9
    But for the first time in our history, we are the first to switch to a new generation of weapons. Before that, we were constantly catching up with the world. request UKSK is now even on new MRK, the question is only in the scale of zircon production and their cost. It is unlikely that in the first years we will be able to produce more than 200 units per year, but rather less. But that's not bad. Sooner or later we will create reserves.
    1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
      Andrei from Chelyabinsk 7 October 2020 12: 02
      +5
      Quote: g1v2
      But for the first time in our history, we are the first to switch to a new generation of weapons.

      You are wrong. We only restored the status quo that existed in the USSR - then we created supersonic anti-ship missiles, which no one else in the world had and received an approximately 20-year "lacuna" during which the Americans did not have any reliable means of destruction of such anti-ship missiles ...
      Quote: g1v2
      UKSK is now even on new MRK

      not all UKSK can be fired with Zircons
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      2. g1v2
        g1v2 7 October 2020 13: 24
        +3
        In general, I agree, but they have also been engaged in supersonic cruise missiles since the end of WWII. The Bujum and SM-64 Navaho were supersonic, they just had a different concept - not anti-ship and as a result turned out to be too expensive. And here we already have the Vanguard in service, both equipment for mbr, and zircon in the quality of pkr.
        And as for the uksk, I am sure that ours are driving misinformation. UKSK are standard and no one will deliberately worsen them. Tch that at MRK, that at 22350 I am sure that the same types of missiles can be launched. They just try not to advertise it. By the way, I wouldn't be surprised if Bastion also has an opportunity to launch zircons. request
        1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
          Andrei from Chelyabinsk 7 October 2020 14: 00
          +6
          Quote: g1v2
          And as for the uksk, I am sure that ours are driving misinformation. UKSK are standard and no one will deliberately worsen them

          They were not worsened, but improved :)))) I'm afraid now to write nonsense, but at first only Calibers could be based there, then Onyxes, and now also zircons. But only on those who can shoot with Onyxes
      3. lopvlad
        lopvlad 8 October 2020 22: 28
        0
        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
        not all UKSK can be fired with Zircons


        At the moment, UKSK 3S14 is unified for launching the following missiles:

        anti-ship missiles Caliber - 3M54T and 3M54T1 (3M54TE and 3M54TE1)
        long-range cruise missiles Caliber - 3M14T (3M14TE)
        anti-submarine missiles Caliber - 91RT2 (91RTE2)
        anti-ship missiles Onyx (Yakhont) - 3M55
        anti-ship missiles BrahMos
        Zircon anti-ship missiles (3M22) - a promising hypersonic anti-ship missile [2]

        1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
          Andrei from Chelyabinsk 9 October 2020 07: 51
          +1
          Appreciate the quotes from wikipedia. And here is what a little more serious "KBSM OJSC. 70 years" writes, the head of the "KBSM for the Navy", section "Launching equipment and loading equipment for modern surface ships and submarines of the Russian Navy" (pp. 51-52):
          The family of vertical launchers for surface ships of the 3S14 type provides placement on the NK of projects 1161K, 21631, 11356M of products of the 3K14 complex (KRO "Caliber"), and on the NK of projects 22350, 20385, 11442M, in addition, products of the 3M55 complexes (ASM "Onyx") and 9K (PLUR - missile-torpedoes of the Novator Design Bureau).
          1. lopvlad
            lopvlad 9 October 2020 23: 28
            0
            Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
            The family of vertical launchers for surface ships of the 3S14 type provides placement on the NK of projects 1161K, 21631, 11356M of products of the 3K14 complex (KRO "Caliber"), and on the NK of projects 22350, 20385, 11442M, in addition, products of the 3M55 complexes (ASM "Onyx") and 9K (PLUR - missile-torpedoes of the Novator Design Bureau).


            there only the software differs and the "hardware" of the containers is the same. You put new software on the NK projects 1161K, 21631, 11356M and the range of supported missiles grows.
      4. Volder
        Volder 8 October 2020 22: 57
        0
        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
        We only restored the status quo that existed in the USSR - then we created supersonic anti-ship missiles, which no one else in the world had
        Well, in the past, the USSR overtook the United States in terms of the quality of strike weapons, and now Russia has overtaken it. We are firmly entrenched in the status of "the first in the world".
  • Hagen
    Hagen 7 October 2020 12: 06
    +2
    Quote: novel xnumx
    only burks they have to hell, and potted ones not very much

    Then you will have to beat the aircraft carrier ships. There are fewer of them ...
  • Bad_gr
    Bad_gr 7 October 2020 12: 24
    +3
    Quote: novel xnumx
    only burks they have to hell, and potted ones not very much

    The Zircon can be launched from the same ships that launched the Caliber, and we have quite a few of them.
  • Boris Chernikov
    Boris Chernikov 7 October 2020 12: 34
    0
    well, as if they were already crumpled and admitted that they would put zircons on all verticals ..
    1. Fizik M
      Fizik M 7 October 2020 13: 17
      +1
      Quote: Boris Chernikov
      well, as if they were already hesitating and admitted that they would put zircons on all verticals

      YOU ARE NOT IN THE TOPIC
      1. Boris Chernikov
        Boris Chernikov 7 October 2020 16: 14
        +2
        yes yes yes, only the omnipotent Mina is in the subject, we have already heard this, I remember quite recently #MinaVTeme was already a little mistaken, and yes ... since when did former submariners who have not served for many years began to gain access to documents labeled about the latest missiles ? Especially considering their reputation ..
  • Sneaky Urus
    Sneaky Urus 7 October 2020 12: 55
    +1
    enough for aircraft carriers
  • Gunther
    Gunther 8 October 2020 01: 19
    +1
    roman66, of course it sucks that we do not have very good frigates, but the launch of the Zircon was, if I am not mistaken, from the uversal shipborne firing complex 3S14 (UKSK) - I install it not only on the frigate Admiral Gorshkov
  • Andrey Ostroushko
    Andrey Ostroushko 8 October 2020 04: 25
    +1
    vertical launch cells 3S14E for Calibers, Onyxes and Zircons are installed not only on ships of the Gorshkov class. Zircons can also fire from torpedo tubes and vertical shafts of submarines.
  • Volder
    Volder 8 October 2020 22: 04
    0
    Quote: novel xnumx
    only burks they have to hell, and potted ones not very much
    We can shoot down Arleigh Burkov rockets, but they cannot shoot ours. Therefore, the number of ships in modern warfare is a secondary factor.
  • NEXUS
    NEXUS 7 October 2020 11: 36
    18
    Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
    Why? On the contrary. If any US missile defense system can try to shoot down the Zircon, it is the SM-6. Chances are true ... not much

    Well, frankly speaking, there is no chance at all, since the reaction time until it "sees", "takes it for escort", "lets on to intercept" ) is not enough.
    In addition, the Zircon flight algorithm is not known. Well, and add to this the fact that one Zircon is a target that is practically not shot down, but a flock of Zircons?
    1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
      Andrei from Chelyabinsk 7 October 2020 12: 05
      +5
      Quote: NEXUS
      Well, let's face it, no chance at all

      Yes, if Zircon detects Hawkeye at the time of launch and work begins immediately. But ... in fact, the chance is really scanty, all hope is only for false targets, electronic warfare and other passive means. Which, nevertheless, perform well
      Quote: NEXUS
      Well, and add to this the fact that one Zircon is a target that is practically not knocked down, but a flock of Zircons?

      And a flock - it hurts :))))))
      1. NEXUS
        NEXUS 7 October 2020 12: 10
        +5
        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
        And a flock - it hurts :))))))

        This is 100% destruction with no options. That is, a flock of, say, 20 Zircons will easily sink any AUG to the bottom with absolute certainty. And then another question arises - how many Zircons is capable of carrying, say, one Gorshkov?
        1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
          Andrei from Chelyabinsk 7 October 2020 12: 22
          +7
          Quote: NEXUS
          This is 100% destruction with no options. That is, a flock of, say, 20 Zircons will easily sink any AUG with absolute confidence.

          Alas, this is not a fact. Nevertheless, we stubbornly forget that the main means of countering anti-ship missiles is not fire, but passive, that is, electronic warfare, LOC and all sorts of things there. And they did not cope with the task of deflecting the RCC so badly - in real conflicts such as the Falkland one.
          But yes, I believe that if the same Gorshkov hits with all the ammunition (16 anti-ship missiles) and all of them are Zircons (and why not?), Then the US aircraft carrier as part of the AUG will receive damage incompatible with combat activities, and maybe with life.
          The question is that all this has already happened (in the 80s of the last century, a salvo of 20 Granites provided about the same) and did not lead to the dominance of the USSR Navy in the ocean.
          1. Fizik M
            Fizik M 7 October 2020 12: 34
            +2
            Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
            the main means of countering anti-ship missiles is not fire, but passive, that is, electronic warfare

            conversely
            exactly fire
            1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
              Andrei from Chelyabinsk 7 October 2020 13: 10
              +3
              Quote: Fizik M
              conversely
              fire

              So far, according to statistics of real use, it is passive
              1. Fizik M
                Fizik M 7 October 2020 13: 17
                -1
                Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                So far, according to statistics of real use, it is passive

                fire
                1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
                  Andrei from Chelyabinsk 7 October 2020 14: 02
                  +4
                  Maxim, both in the Arab-Israeli wars and during the Falklands, the bulk of the anti-ship missiles was nevertheless reduced to the LOC and EW, but in no way destroyed by fire weapons. If you have other statistics, I will be glad to read :))))
          2. Bad_gr
            Bad_gr 7 October 2020 12: 35
            +1
            It was said that the Zircon was constantly maneuvering in the last section. It is hardly possible now by a computer to calculate the lead for such a missile, all the more to bring an anti-missile to this point.
          3. Operator
            Operator 7 October 2020 12: 45
            -1
            Calm down - 1-Mtn is absolutely violet on the electronic warfare, LOC and all sorts of other things bully
          4. NEXUS
            NEXUS 7 October 2020 16: 31
            +3
            Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
            Nevertheless, we stubbornly forget that the main means of countering anti-ship missiles is not fire, but passive, that is, electronic warfare, LOC and all sorts of things there.

            And here is the question of the REACTIONS of these systems to the threat, namely, whether they will be in time or not, and something tells me that they will not. At the same time, it is not clear what the Zircon flight algorithm is, from the word completely ...
            For example, one of the options - ascends to an altitude of 40-50 km, flies two-thirds of the way in hypersound to the point of speed drop, turns on the fuel and lubricants when it drops plasma when the speed decreases to Mach 4, .. target capture, and almost vertically falls on the target ( type X-32).
            The second option flies 20-30 km, when approaching the point of speed drop (to again drop the plasma cocoon), the seeker is turned on, target locking, lowering to 5-10 meters above the surface and accelerating again to 10 swings. Such an algorithm may well be ...
            However, I do not consider options for flights in a flock. Namely, a volley of STAI on AUG is the main option, because no one will shoot a single anti-ship missile on AUG.
            I will add to all that has been said ... even if, by some miracle, they manage to react, how many interceptor missiles will they spend on it, if the time of the destruction of the ship is SECOND?
            Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
            But yes, I believe that if the same Gorshkov hits with all the ammunition (16 anti-ship missiles) and all of them are Zircons (and why not?), Then the US aircraft carrier as part of the AUG will receive damage incompatible with combat activities, and maybe with life.

            I think 4-5 Zircons will be enough for an aircraft carrier (depending on where they go). But ... back to the flight algorithm of the anti-ship missile system ... And if it dives vertically at the target ABOVE and hits the deck? to remove an aircraft carrier from combat?
            16 Zircons in a salvo, I think it will be easy to send to the bottom or disable the entire combat component of the AUG, including the aircraft carrier.
          5. Volder
            Volder 8 October 2020 23: 13
            0
            Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
            all this has already happened (in the 80s of the last century, a salvo of 20 Granites provided about the same) and did not lead to the domination of the USSR Navy in the ocean.
            Sorry, but to dominate the ocean, dominating the dominance of the United States - such a task for the Soviet Navy has never been set. The task was to neutralize the combat capabilities of the US AUG from all four directions at the expense of the threat of causing unacceptable damage. The phrase "a pistol at the temple of imperialism" is just about the Navy during the Cold War.
        2. Gofman
          Gofman 7 October 2020 12: 32
          +2
          I hope the actual launch range of the Zircons will be greater? From how many kilometers will the AUG aviation begin to drown Gorshkov before he reaches 500 km?
          1. Boris Chernikov
            Boris Chernikov 7 October 2020 12: 38
            +1
            at one time mentioned 1 km
    2. timokhin-aa
      timokhin-aa 7 October 2020 18: 55
      0
      And nothing that they just have MINUTES from the moment the anti-ship missile system is detected to its entry into the coverage area of ​​the ship's air defense system?
      1. NEXUS
        NEXUS 7 October 2020 19: 11
        +2
        Quote: timokhin-aa
        And nothing that they just have MINUTES from the moment the anti-ship missile system is detected to its entry into the coverage area of ​​the ship's air defense system?

        There will be no minutes ... there is a big question of detecting a flying anti-ship missile, or rather a flock of Zircons, at speeds of Mach 10 or more. This time. Second, Zircon is a maneuvering anti-ship missile system and it is not easy to intercept it, taking into account the speed and movement algorithm. Hence the question, how many anti-missiles do you need to shoot down at least one anti-ship missile system? And will the AUG have enough time to fire a second salvo at all?
        Third ... this is not an unimportant issue of the Zircon's range. If this is more than 1000 km (and I think that it is, and perhaps even 1200 km), then how will the AUGs generally take the bearing of a flock of Zircons at the time of their salvo launch?
        And the last ... we are talking about intercepting only ONE Zircon ... and if there are 20-30-40 Zircons in a salvo, which will behave like Granite in a flock, exchanging data, what then? Show me at least one example of ABM AUG, which is capable of absorbing such a blow even for a tenth.
        1. timokhin-aa
          timokhin-aa 7 October 2020 19: 19
          -1
          I remember that you cannot master the written text, but it turns out that you cannot master the calculator either ...
          Pichalka ...
          1. NEXUS
            NEXUS 7 October 2020 19: 23
            +4
            Quote: timokhin-aa
            I remember that you cannot master the written text, but it turns out that you cannot master the calculator either ...
            Pichalka ...

            Alexander, for 8 years I already know very well that you are a very touchy and vindictive little man. And when you run out of argumentation, you start to be frankly rude, realizing that Smirnov will not hang you by the balls here and will not send you to the ban.
            Calm your worms. It was not me who wrote it under your comments in the thread, but you told me ... since the arguments run out, do not bubble up. Last time I explained everything to you, what I think of you, and where you can go.
            1. timokhin-aa
              timokhin-aa 7 October 2020 19: 38
              -2
              But the calculator must be mastered! Master the calculator!

              GZPKR will be a very useful thing, but it is desirable to understand why. Are you not interested?
          2. The comment was deleted.
          3. Ali
            Ali 7 October 2020 21: 04
            -1
            Quote: timokhin-aa (Alexander Timokhin)
            I remember that you cannot master the written text, but it turns out that you cannot master the calculator either ...
            Pichalka ...

            timokhin-aa (Alexander Timokhin). You can't behave so ugly on VO! You have many times more flaws, especially in terms of radar ...
            Quote: Something
            Quote: Aviation Strategic Nuclear Forces: It looks like we are wrong about something. November 3, 2019. Alexander Timokhin.

            As for the B-2, its "gap" in combat effectiveness from the predecessor B-1 is even stronger than that of the B-1 from the B-52. In the case of the B-2, the "supersonic" (which also "catches up" additional RCS due to the concentration of moisture from the air in the jump front behind the aircraft), but it adds significantly, at times, a smaller detection range of such an aircraft radar of any type, except for long-wave, which is unsuitable for missile guidance.


            timokhin-aa (Alexander Timokhin), with an increase in the image intensifier (EPR), the detection range increases, and not vice versa! Learn materiel!
            1. timokhin-aa
              timokhin-aa 7 October 2020 21: 18
              0
              Don't you see that the answer to me has nothing to do with what I wrote?
              1. Ali
                Ali 7 October 2020 21: 31
                0
                Quote: timokhin-aa
                Don't you see that the answer to me has nothing to do with what I wrote?

                timokhin-aa, I am writing under your other answer, and he shifts my answer below - these are questions to the software of the VO site, and not to me! Therefore, your expression is given in my answer. Read carefully! Doesn't it hurt your eyes?
                1. timokhin-aa
                  timokhin-aa 8 October 2020 00: 27
                  0
                  What is the truth?

                  In your quote, I write that the detection range of the B-2 is much lower than that of the B-1B

                  In response, some madman writes that when the RCS decreases, the detection range does not increase and therefore I need to "learn the materiel".

                  And where did I claim that it is growing? You see, if you are not able to understand a sentence of several dozen words, this is not my problem, but yours. My brain is working, I understand what I write and what I read.
                  1. Ali
                    Ali 8 October 2020 00: 43
                    -2
                    Quote: timokhin-aa
                    In your quote, I write that the detection range of the B-2 is much lower than that of the B-1B
                    In response, some madman writes that when the RCS decreases, the detection range does not increase and therefore I need to "learn the materiel".
                    And where did I claim that it is growing? You see, if you are not able to understand a sentence of several dozen words, this is not my problem, but yours. My brain is working, I understand what I write and what I read.

                    timokhin-aa (Alexander Timokhin)! It is ugly to lie openly! Or do you not know Russian? RџSЂRё decrease in image intensifier, detection range
                    decreasesinstead of growing - learn the basic equation of radar, strategist without a conscience!

                    Quote: timokhin-aa (Alexander Timokhin)
                    In the case of the B-2, the "supersonic" not particularly needed in this mode (which also "catches up" additional RCS due to the concentration of moisture from the air in the jump front behind the aircraft) ...

                    Yes, childish babbling ... Can you calculate the increase in EOP (EPR)? Do not disgrace yourself!
                  2. timokhin-aa
                    timokhin-aa 8 October 2020 11: 32
                    -1
                    I have never stated anywhere that the detection range is growing, you simply cannot understand the sentence you are quoting, you cannot master it.
                  3. Ali
                    Ali 9 October 2020 16: 54
                    -2
                    Quote: timokhin-aa
                    I have never stated anywhere that the detection range is increasing, You simply cannot understand the sentence you are quoting, you do not master it.

                    timokhin-aa (Alexander Timokhin). Above, by me, your illiterate statements are indicated. Or do you not know how to read in Russian? It's ugly to dodge and lie. Learn Russian and more ...
                  4. timokhin-aa
                    timokhin-aa 9 October 2020 17: 30
                    -1
                    My statements above do not contain statements that a decrease in RCS leads to an increase in the target detection range, you are talking some crazy nonsense.

                    Are you having problems with your Russian? Can't put letters into words? Maybe this is such a fat trolling?
                  5. Ali
                    Ali 13 October 2020 10: 23
                    -2
                    Quote: timokhin-aa
                    Are you having problems with your Russian? Can't put letters into words? Maybe this is such a fat trolling?

                    timokhin-aa (Alexander Timokhin), learn Russian if you don't understand what you wrote yourself ...
                    "There is nothing to blame on the mirror, if the face is crooked!" - Russian proverb.
                  6. timokhin-aa
                    timokhin-aa 13 October 2020 11: 22
                    -1
                    Change the cassette.
                  7. Ali
                    Ali 13 October 2020 11: 29
                    -3
                    timokhin-aa (Alexander Timokhin). Learn materiel and radar, according to your illiterate sayings:
                    Quote: timokhin-aa (Alexander Timokhin)
                    As for the B-2, its “separation” in combat effectiveness from the predecessor of the B-1 is even stronger than that of the B-1 from the B-52. In the case of the B-2, the “supersonic” (which also "Catches up" additional RCS due to the concentration of moisture from the air in the jump front behind the aircraft)But added significantly, at times, shorter detection range of such an aircraft radar of any type, except for long-wave, which is unsuitable for missile guidance.

  • 2 Level Advisor
    2 Level Advisor 8 October 2020 20: 54
    0
    Andrey, in the article they said about 500 km .. where is the confidence more than 1000 km .. You at least look at the size of the rocket and the weight .. the fact that it goes like Granite with its 500 km is already great designers .. and you are ready 1200 to send .. it does not fit stupidly so much fuel .. I would generally like it to fly 3000 km, but let's be realistic - 500 km for her-designers 5+
    1. NEXUS
      NEXUS 8 October 2020 21: 06
      0
      Quote: Level 2 Advisor
      Andrey, the article said about 500 km ..

      It says on the fence .... and behind the fence there is firewood. Firstly, THIS article talks about a TEST START at 450 km ... the declared range of Zircon from various sources is voiced from 500 km to 1400 km (this is what I met). To put an anti-ship missile, which has a radius less than the carrier-based aircraft of an aircraft carrier, and declare that this missile against the AUG is nonsense, agree.
      Quote: Level 2 Advisor
      Look at the size of the rocket and the weight.

      A 400 kg warhead is declared ... Onyx has 300 kg, and a range of up to 500 km (according to some sources, up to 600 km). Now we sit down and think ... the speed of Zircon is several times higher than that of Onyx, with a new engine (with unknown performance characteristics). Further ... tell me, how far will the rocket fly if its warhead is halved, even if it flies at least 1000 km with the maximum warhead?
      1. 2 Level Advisor
        2 Level Advisor 8 October 2020 21: 22
        0
        I'm not talking about warheads, even if they are the same .. but about the physical size and fuel supply, which they have the same .. Onyx flies for 500-600 km .. in a dense atmosphere, to overcome which it spends fuel naturally .. so that Zircon with such the same dimensions flew 2 times further how much fuel is needed? 2 times more? will not fit physically .. well .. speed and height .. speed is that constant with him? no. And the trajectory is not ballistic .. it goes all the same in the atmosphere, so the resistance also catches normally .. when accelerating, it eats fuel as if it were not in itself compared to Onyx, and also when braking and maneuvering is also not small .. due to which it is 2 times will fly away? it does not go into space where there is no resistance, but at 28 km it is also a lot .. but in general, with the declared characteristics, I repeat, this is an awesome rocket, and at 500 km ..
        1. NEXUS
          NEXUS 8 October 2020 22: 03
          0
          Quote: Level 2 Advisor
          I'm not talking about warheads, even if they are the same ..

          The range depends on the weight of the warhead ...
          Quote: Level 2 Advisor
          Onyx flies 500-600 km .. in a dense atmosphere, to overcome which it spends fuel naturally .. so that Zircon, with the same dimensions, flew 2 times further how much fuel is needed?

          Well, I already told you that the dvigun on Zircon is different, and not the same as on Onyx. This time. Secondly, you do not take speed into account at all? Onyx flies at an average speed of Mach 2, while Zircon flies at Mach 8-10. Do not find slightly different speeds and, accordingly, the distance over which they can fly away is also different.
          Quote: Level 2 Advisor
          speed and altitude .. is his speed so constant? no.

          I have already said that the algorithm for Zircon's flight is not clear yet. For example, if it rises 40 km and flies at this altitude, then the air there is less dense.
          Quote: Level 2 Advisor
          And the trajectory is not ballistic .. it goes all the same in the atmosphere, so the resistance also catches normally .. when accelerating, it eats fuel as if it were not in itself compared to Onyx, and also when braking and maneuvering is also not small .. due to which it is 2 times will fly away?

          Due to the new dvigun, flight algorithm and speed.
          Quote: Level 2 Advisor
          but in general, with the declared characteristics - again, this is an awesome rocket - and at 500 km ..

          The radius of 500 km is not enough to combat aircraft carriers, because the radius of carrier-based aircraft is about 800 km, that is, the radius of the Zircon should not be lower than this figure. In addition, the GDP itself spoke of MORE THAN 1000 KM. And for me, the real figure is just that.
          1. 2 Level Advisor
            2 Level Advisor 9 October 2020 08: 11
            0
            well, if there is a new engine and fuel so cool that it is 2 times better, then the question is removed ..

            P.S. if the range is 500 km against AUG, this would be suitable for submarines, for surface ones it is certainly more difficult ..
  • ancient
    ancient 7 October 2020 12: 49
    +1
    Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
    If any US missile defense system can try to shoot down the Zircon, it is the SM-6. Chances are true ... not much

    Andrey, greetings .. here I read it .. it seems to be like good ... you can say ... "the sediment remained" recourse
    1. The goal seems to be like the sea. but ..... not maneuvering ... times.
    2. Whatever you think, but more than 100 km / min ... does not work ... but declare .. more than M> 8. request ... and in the deceleration section, what is the speed if it still has an Active seeker?
    3. And why only 450 km ... after all, they declared 2 times more? recourse
    Well and so on .....
    1. DenZ
      DenZ 7 October 2020 13: 02
      +6
      Quote: ancient
      3. And why only 450 km ... after all, they declared 2 times more?

      Because they still won't tell you for sure. Everything as usual.
    2. hrych
      hrych 7 October 2020 20: 44
      +1
      For this speed, the target is virtually stationary. The target lock for the seeker usually goes 20-50 km and after the target is locked, the missile swoops down on the target, which is too late to maneuver. Ten seconds from capture to defeat, even a large ship cannot go to the hull. More than 100 kilometers per minute is the average speed. It starts from zero kilometers per minute, accelerates, gaining supersonic speed and rises into the stratosphere, where it apparently reaches hypersound, locks on the target and dives, accelerating to a maximum of 8 mach. Or if it goes down and sneaks near the surface, then the speed will drop. Although not advisable with hypersound. It is not necessary to test for the maximum range and it is required to warn partners, this is a medium-range missile. There will be a separate test for maximum range, of course. It is already clear from the video that Zircon is based on Onyx. The Kh-22 rocket had a similar algorithm, where it reached hypersound, climbed up to 40 km and dived at the target. Then it was an experimental option. Onyx in a dense atmosphere reaches supersonic speed, and in the stratosphere, with a little alteration and the use of new heat-resistant materials, and of adaptation of a ramjet engine, it is quite hypersonic. Naturally solid fuel, the booster stage should be much more powerful. At one time, the Indians blabbed about bringing Brahmos to hypersound. I personally believe that Zircon is the essence of an adapted Onyx.
      1. ancient
        ancient 8 October 2020 16: 29
        +3
        Quote: hrych
        The Kh-22 rocket had a similar algorithm, where it reached hypersound, climbed up to 40 km and dived at the target.

        You are wrong ... specifically wink ... the 22nd flies along NT.BT and ... BT (ballistic flight path) and reaches an altitude of 40 km and dives ... but there is no acceleration to hypersound wink
        With all due respect wink drinks
        1. hrych
          hrych 8 October 2020 17: 41
          0
          When diving from 70 km, not even 40 (I was wrong), the Kh-22B still reached Mach 6, i.e. hypersound. Well, and the Rainbow - the laboratory at its base still reached more than 6 swings in the stratosphere. Apparently on it, they worked out the work with hypersound and the ramjet engine was tested at this speed. So it is a rocket engine engine, with fuel and an oxidizer. And they put a ramjet engine on it. This was our most powerful and fastest CD. I think it was thanks to her that we have Zircon drinks
          1. ancient
            ancient 8 October 2020 17: 54
            +3
            Quote: hrych
            When diving from 70 km, not even 40 (I was wrong), the Kh-22B still reached Mach 6, i.e. hypersound. Well, the Rainbow - the laboratory on its basis still reached more than 6 strides in the stratosphere

            I don’t presume to argue ... because I didn’t "meet" during the X-22B service belay request sad
            In KB "Raduga" all the more .. is not included bully
            I can only say that .. "felt" with my own hands wink drinks
            1. SouzniK
              SouzniK 8 October 2020 17: 58
              -2
              Quote: ancient
              Quote: hrych
              When diving from 70 km, not even 40 (I was wrong), the Kh-22B still reached Mach 6, i.e. hypersound. Well, the Rainbow - the laboratory on its basis still reached more than 6 strides in the stratosphere

              I don’t presume to argue ... because I didn’t "meet" during the X-22B service belay request sad
              In KB "Raduga" all the more .. is not included bully
              I can only say that .. "felt" with my own hands wink drinks

              Well, you are a braggart, well, why attract attention to yourself with such revelations bully
              Language is my enemy drinks
            2. hrych
              hrych 8 October 2020 18: 02
              +1
              Clear. Aircraft Carrier Assassin drinks
  • timokhin-aa
    timokhin-aa 7 October 2020 18: 54
    0
    Why? When shooting with zero or a small parameter, just a lot.
  • smart ass
    smart ass 8 October 2020 07: 39
    -1
    Would you like more proof to see what zircon was on the video?
  • Devil13
    Devil13 8 October 2020 14: 39
    0
    Before disclosing the real performance characteristics of zircon on the same sm-6, it makes no sense to judge. Just because everyone knows how to throw dust in your eyes
  • Volder
    Volder 8 October 2020 22: 01
    0
    Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
    If any US missile defense system can try to shoot down the Zircon, it is the SM-6. Chances are true ... not much
    There is no chance at all, because Zircon is likely to maneuver in the same way as Onyx, and the speed of the SM-6 is no more than Mach 3,5.
  • stas
    stas 7 October 2020 10: 36
    +7
    It's dangerous to underestimate the enemy!
    1. SRC P-15
      SRC P-15 7 October 2020 10: 51
      25

      The General Staff of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation presented an exclusive informational gift to the President of Russia on his 68th birthday.

      Hopefully, by the 70th anniversary of the president, they will successfully test the Poseidon. yes
      Vladimir Vladimirovich happy birthday and wish him not to darken my expectations! drinks
      1. Fizik M
        Fizik M 7 October 2020 11: 01
        0
        Quote: СРЦ П-15
        Hopefully, by the 70th anniversary of the president, they will successfully test the Poseidon.

        fool
        1. SRC P-15
          SRC P-15 7 October 2020 11: 05
          +4
          You want to prove to me with your smiley that there can be no tests of "Poseidon" in principle?
          1. Fizik M
            Fizik M 7 October 2020 11: 06
            -5
            Quote: СРЦ П-15
            can I prove that there are no tests of "Poseidon" in principle?

            to start WHAT TESTS
            open GOST RV 203
            1. SRC P-15
              SRC P-15 7 October 2020 11: 09
              +6
              Quote: Fizik M
              to start WHAT TESTS

              Poseidon's propulsion tests!
              And the rest is all little things!
              1. Fizik M
                Fizik M 7 October 2020 11: 24
                -7
                Quote: СРЦ П-15
                Poseidon's propulsion tests!
                And the rest is all little things!

                fool
                clear lol
                with this - to Muzilka
                such boring categories as GOST, stages are not for YOU
            2. ZEMCH
              ZEMCH 7 October 2020 11: 29
              +3
              I understand correctly what you meant. GOST RV 15.203-2001?
              1. Fizik M
                Fizik M 7 October 2020 12: 17
                +1
                Quote: ZEMCH
                I understand correctly what you meant. GOST RV 15.203-2001?

                the other on OCD has not yet been accepted (and I suppose they will not accept it for a long time)
      2. SRC P-15
        SRC P-15 7 October 2020 11: 01
        +7
        Dissenters' minuses fly at a speed ahead of the Zircon! yes
      3. Daniil Konovalenko
        Daniil Konovalenko 7 October 2020 11: 20
        11
        Hopefully, by the 70th anniversary of the president, successful tests of Poseidon will be carried out
        .... In the sense that the US floor will be demolished? laughing
        1. Lipchanin
          Lipchanin 7 October 2020 11: 49
          +3
          Quote: Daniil Konovalenko
          ..In the sense that the US floor will be demolished?

          Your words yes to Poseidon in the ears laughing
          1. Malyuta
            Malyuta 7 October 2020 19: 13
            -2
            Quote: Lipchanin
            your words yes to "Poseidon" in the ears

            And that will be? Will your pension be added? Will gasoline get cheaper? Will the rent be canceled?
      4. Captain45
        Captain45 7 October 2020 11: 47
        +5
        Quote: СРЦ П-15

        Hopefully, by the 70th anniversary of the president, they will successfully test the Poseidon.
        Vladimir Vladimirovich happy birthday and wish him not to darken my expectations!

        Those. are we waiting for the Stalin strait? belay
        1. keeper03
          keeper03 7 October 2020 17: 05
          -1
          Just the Turks are running up, so there is something to build the strait! good soldier
      5. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 7 October 2020 12: 01
        -4
        Quote: СРЦ П-15
        Vladimir Vladimirovich happy birthday and wish him not to darken my expectations!

        Do not overdo it. And then somehow one poet wrote for Stalin's birthday:
        "I wish you to live for so many years,
        Like a mountain eagle "
        The editor was concerned, how many years do eagles live? Few, however. Sent this poet on an erotic journey.
      6. Fizik M
        Fizik M 7 October 2020 12: 23
        -6
        Quote: СРЦ П-15
        Hopefully, by the 70th anniversary of the president, they will successfully test the Poseidon.
        Vladimir Vladimirovich happy birthday and wish him not to darken my expectations!

        by the way, continue -
        BY HOW MUCH DO YOU NEED TO REDUCE THE SERIES OF THE SAME "ZIRCONS" (FROM POSSIBLE) IN ORDER TO PROVIDE BABLO TO A "STATUS SCAM"?!?!?
        1. Boris Chernikov
          Boris Chernikov 7 October 2020 12: 39
          -2
          laughing or someone forgot to inform someone ... for example, a non-military journalist)
          1. Fizik M
            Fizik M 7 November 2020 19: 37
            +1
            Quote: Boris Chernikov
            someone forgot to inform someone

            Yeah
            for example, did you go to the "iron" on "entomu" a number of my 2012 proposals. (the initiative was not mine, they called and "offered to think")
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    2. Fizik M
      Fizik M 7 October 2020 12: 35
      0
      Quote: stas
      It's dangerous to underestimate the enemy!

      he is now objectively "knocked down"
      because for the corresponding interceptor, they have stupidly small cells of the UVP
      and acc. only electronic warfare remains
    3. ancient
      ancient 7 October 2020 14: 05
      -3
      Quote: stas
      It's dangerous to underestimate the enemy!

      But just not for "urya-patriots" and .. "loyal subjects" ... the main thing is that .. "enough hats" .... wink
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    1. novel66
      novel66 7 October 2020 11: 01
      -2
      one carrier is not a fleet yet ...
      1. lucul
        lucul 7 October 2020 11: 05
        +9
        one carrier is not a fleet yet ...

        The main thing is to launch from the universal launch container, and put this container on everything that floats)))
        1. vkl.47
          vkl.47 7 October 2020 11: 45
          +2
          And also on wheels and tracks it would not be bad.
        2. Lipchanin
          Lipchanin 7 October 2020 11: 51
          -9
          Quote: lucul
          put on everything that floats)))

          And the poop in the toilet? repeat
          That's exactly it and swims
          Across the seas go
          1. The eye of the crying
            The eye of the crying 7 October 2020 12: 11
            +4
            Quote: Lipchanin
            They walk the seas


            Around the World, yeah.
            1. Lipchanin
              Lipchanin 7 October 2020 12: 22
              -3
              Yes, God forbid you to tell the swine that he floats
              1. The eye of the crying
                The eye of the crying 7 October 2020 12: 23
                +7
                For real sailors, not for sofa ones, it is more or less all the same.
              2. stas
                stas 7 October 2020 13: 48
                +5
                And why, they walk on water like angels. They walk on the ground, float on the water, and the Lipchanin is toadying!
                1. Marconi41
                  Marconi41 7 October 2020 17: 54
                  0
                  Quote: stas
                  And why, they walk on water like angels. They walk on the ground, float on the water, and the Lipchanin is toadying!

                  ... Farewell, beloved city, we will "sail away" tomorrow to the sea ...
                  So in your opinion?
                  1. stas
                    stas 7 October 2020 19: 07
                    +3
                    Do not confuse versification and actual actions. The submarine went to sea!
                    1. Marconi41
                      Marconi41 7 October 2020 20: 38
                      +2
                      Quote: stas
                      Do not confuse versification and actual actions. The submarine went to sea!

                      I am not confusing anything. Ships go sailing, including submarines.
        3. vargo
          vargo 7 October 2020 17: 47
          +1
          As long as I heard the launch will be from a container like Caliber. That is, there are already many such carriers. I remember the Buyan project, now it looks even more menacing
          1. timokhin-aa
            timokhin-aa 7 October 2020 19: 04
            -1
            It doesn’t look like it, it’s structurally possible to launch only two missiles - 3M14 and 3M54, simplified UKSK, “glasses” under UVP without reinforcements, even Onyx is impossible.
  • IvanT
    IvanT 7 October 2020 12: 04
    0
    Focus, there is a rocket and there is no rocket)
  • Pessimist22
    Pessimist22 7 October 2020 10: 23
    18
    450 km, 270 seconds, 1,6 km per second, good speed.
    1. KVU-NSVD
      KVU-NSVD 7 October 2020 10: 39
      20
      It turns out the average speed from start to hitting the target is about 1,67 km / s or about 6000 km / hour. But this is average. How it is distributed over the flight segments is unknown, as well as the flight profile. And it would be interesting how it flies and at what speeds. But the unknown in this matter is for the better. Right now, speculation and analyst rumors will go.
      1. Alexander Seklitsky
        Alexander Seklitsky 7 October 2020 11: 01
        +3
        judging by the video, it leveled off to the horizon and left very quickly. Most likely it flies, and before reaching the target makes a steep parabola and dives from above
        1. silver_roman
          silver_roman 7 October 2020 11: 31
          +5
          The rocket can fly the entire area parallel to the water. In any way rises to the height, tk. there is not enough fuel in the rocket for the entire flight. That and fly in the dense layers of the atmosphere so-so. It's easier then to climb 30 kilometers and fly there even faster. Most likely it does so, although guessing is not smart.
          1. Vladimir_6
            Vladimir_6 7 October 2020 11: 48
            +5
            Quote: silver_roman
            The rocket can fly the entire area parallel to the water.

            The article indicates a flight altitude of 28 km.
      2. Roman 57 rus
        Roman 57 rus 7 October 2020 11: 03
        +6
        It should be noted that 450 km is the range to the target, and the distance covered by the rocket along the ballistic trajectory is much greater.
        1. ZEMCH
          ZEMCH 7 October 2020 11: 31
          +7
          Quote: Roman 57 rus
          It should be noted that 450 km is the range to the target, and the distance covered by the rocket along the ballistic trajectory is much greater.

          She does not have a ballistic trajectory
      3. Zoldat_A
        Zoldat_A 7 October 2020 11: 07
        +9
        Quote: KVU-NSVD
        Right now, speculation and analyst rumors will go.

        We are waiting for the stories of the United States and their packs about the next portion of the "Kremlin cartoons". At the same time, he does not tire of listening to American enthusiasm about the fact that "in the next decade the United States will have hypersonic weapons."
        I want to wipe my ears with alcohol after their comments ...
        1. Nyrobsky
          Nyrobsky 7 October 2020 20: 12
          +1
          Quote: Zoldat_A
          We are waiting for the stories of the United States and their packs about the next portion of "Kremlin cartoons".
          They say that in the morning they sit "scratching their turnips and whispering," not knowing how to present this event to the general public, since a lot of babos spent on missile defense were thrown to the wind. So far, they have only given out that in this way the Russian military "simply" congratulated the commander-in-chief. laughing
      4. NEXUS
        NEXUS 7 October 2020 11: 42
        +6
        Quote: KVU-NSVD
        It turns out the average speed from start to hitting the target is about 1,67 km / s or about 6000 km / hour.

        The speed at maximum speed, I think, not lower than Mach 10. But on which segment Zircon accelerates to such speeds is an interesting question.
        In addition, I think that Zircon probably inherited a very unpleasant option for any missile defense ship from Granite-hunting in a flock. And if this is so, then if intercepting ONE Zircon is a practically impossible task today, intercepting STAI Zircons is a task comparable to building a Death Star, taking into account the number of interceptors (and there are a lot of them there), reaction time, etc. ...
        1. Bad_gr
          Bad_gr 7 October 2020 12: 44
          0
          Quote: NEXUS
          Zircon accelerates to such speeds is an interesting question.

          Logically speaking, the maximum speed should be in the last sector, in order to make the work of the enemy missile defense as difficult as possible.
          1. NEXUS
            NEXUS 7 October 2020 16: 37
            +4
            Quote: Bad_gr
            Logically speaking, the maximum speed should be in the last sector, in order to make the work of the enemy missile defense as difficult as possible.

            No ... the plasma cocoon will not allow the anti-ship missiles seeker to work correctly, or even prevent it from capturing the target. That is why it is said that at the final stage, the anti-ship missile system slows down to 4MAX, in order to drop the plasma cocoon and turn on the seeker to lock on the target. Perhaps at this point the anti-ship missile will scour (who knows) in order to reduce the capture time. Well, then, either at the same speed to the goal with songs and dances, or repeated acceleration to maximum speed.
            Everything depends on the RELIEF of the flight and on its ALGORITHM.
        2. timokhin-aa
          timokhin-aa 7 October 2020 19: 06
          +1
          But on what segment Zircon accelerates to such speeds is an interesting question.


          Yes, it's not a question for a long time already, after climbing on a booster, it accelerates, and this has been known even to people not involved in the project for many years.
          1. NEXUS
            NEXUS 7 October 2020 19: 16
            0
            Quote: timokhin-aa
            Yes, it's not a question for a long time already, after climbing on a booster, it accelerates, and this has been known even to people not involved in the project for many years.

            I'll just give you an example of Onyx ... he picks up his maximum speed of Mach 2,5, when he has already descended and reached the target ... that is, in the final section.
            Why can't Zircon do the same?
            As an example, it gains altitude, flies at a speed of, say, Mach 8, then drops the plasma cocoon, slowing down and activating the GOS for seconds, captures the target and then accelerates to a maximum of 10-12 Machs. What will the ship have time to do to get away from such a missile, or rather from several very smart and fast missiles?
            1. timokhin-aa
              timokhin-aa 7 October 2020 21: 29
              +1
              Why can't Zircon do the same?


              Because in the final section it enters the dense layers of the atmosphere. This is hypersound, analogies with other options do not work there. If only because there are no materials capable of withstanding such a flight, and the plasma formation there will be simply monstrous.
              The task that was solved at the expense of hypersonic speed was to ensure the impossibility of using missiles with a large heading parameter.
              And this either destroys the collective defense and depreciates AEGIS, forcing each ship to fight alone, even being on the order, or it forces all the ships in a group to be collected like sheep in a heap, after which they can be devoured by one submarine, which may be there quite by accident.
              Well, if the missile missiles miss, there is no second chance, and the near-field systems can not even be turned on.
              Something like that.
      5. bar
        bar 7 October 2020 12: 24
        +1
        It turns out the average speed from start to hitting the target is about 1,67 km / s or about 6000 km / hour. But this is average.

        The average is larger. She did not fly horizontally, but managed to climb / descend another 28 km.
      6. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 7 October 2020 19: 33
        +4
        It turns out, on average, about 5 MAX approximately.
        1) first a mortar start,
        2) then the solid fuel booster turns on, accelerating the rocket
        to hypersound at an altitude of 28 km.
        3) further - presumably - the turbojet engine turns on.
        And at an altitude of 20+ km, the rocket flies to the target at high supersonic speed.
        4) at the terminal site - decrease, deceleration to low supersonic and
        5) hitting the target.
        ---
        Everything is very realistic.
    2. lucul
      lucul 7 October 2020 10: 52
      +4
      450 km, in 270 seconds, 1,6 km per second, good speed

      Well, the opponents argued that at such a distance, Russia had nothing to issue target designation to this distance. And the entire declared range of destruction of Caliber / Zircon into the void ...
      Oppa and lies are synonymous words ...
      1. Escobar
        Escobar 7 October 2020 10: 59
        -7
        And what target did it hit? Stationary with coordinates hammered into the rocket's memory, or moving?
        1. lucul
          lucul 7 October 2020 11: 03
          +7
          And what target did it hit? Stationary with coordinates hammered into the rocket's memory, or moving?

          Do not worry so - the training manual will be updated soon ...
          1. timokhin-aa
            timokhin-aa 7 October 2020 19: 33
            +1
            But in essence? Where did the rocket hit?

            I'll tell you - in the BCSH. What is significant here is that this is the first launch on a surface target. We are not talking about any control center at all, control control is a concept that does not apply to a rocket.

            True, you personally can not master it.
            1. lucul
              lucul 7 October 2020 21: 45
              -4
              But essentially?

              But in essence - timokhin and chernukha are synonyms.
              1. timokhin-aa
                timokhin-aa 8 October 2020 11: 34
                +1
                No, you just don't understand what you are carrying.
        2. Bez 310
          Bez 310 7 October 2020 11: 21
          -4
          Quote: Eskobar
          Stationary with coordinates hammered into the rocket's memory, or moving?

          This is the most important question!
          1. Vladimir_6
            Vladimir_6 7 October 2020 12: 03
            -5
            Bez 310, this news should calm your worries.
            Bez 310 (Bez310) October 5, 2020
            NATO navies are expanding.
            To my great regret, we
            there is nothing to oppose.
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                  2. Operator
                    Operator 7 October 2020 13: 24
                    -8
                    Your opponent is not a subject that is being drained, but an object that is being drained into laughing
                    1. Vladimir_6
                      Vladimir_6 7 October 2020 13: 54
                      -5
                      Quote: Operator
                      Your opponent is not a subject that is being drained, but an object that is being drained into

                      He already figured it out himself.
                    2. Fizik M
                      Fizik M 7 October 2020 13: 55
                      -2
                      Quote: Operator
                      Your opponent is not a subject that is being drained, but an object that is being drained into

                      Dyusha, in contrast to the previous subject, you are "Olginskaya GRANDMA with reduced social responsibility", because you have a hefty "trail" on VO "entogo" laughing
        3. Vadim237
          Vadim237 7 October 2020 15: 17
          -3
          The ship, even if it develops 50 knots, will in fact stand still for this rocket.
      2. MKPU-115
        MKPU-115 7 October 2020 11: 25
        +2
        Quote: Eskobar
        And what target did it hit? Stationary with coordinates hammered into the rocket's memory, or moving?

        What difference does it make for the US AUG if the Zircon is nuclear-armed?
        1. Fizik M
          Fizik M 7 October 2020 11: 40
          +3
          Quote: MKPU-115
          What difference does it make for the US AUG if the Zircon is nuclear-armed?

          and nafig then "Zircon" is needed? what you want you provided and the royal R-7
          "Zircon" is valuable precisely for its opportunities in the CONVENTIONAL conflict
          1. MKPU-115
            MKPU-115 7 October 2020 19: 01
            0
            Quote: Fizik M
            and nafig then "Zircon" is needed?

            That would not be intercepted by air defense means of course.

            "in the CONVENTIONAL conflict" - for this there is ANN + ARLGSN on the "zircon"
      3. NEXUS
        NEXUS 7 October 2020 11: 52
        +8
        Quote: Eskobar
        And what target did it hit? Stationary with coordinates hammered into the rocket's memory, or moving?

        And it’s not fate to count? At least approximately ... For example, the range of Zircon is 1000 km. That is, it covers this distance (taking into account the average speed of 10 swings) in 10 minutes less. AUG moves at a standard speed of 20 knots, that is, approximately 50 km / h. The question is, how far will the AUG travel in 10 minutes at this speed? Zircon will reach the target capture point of its GOS faster than the AUG has time to get out of this triangle of the GOS anti-ship missile system.
        1. Fizik M
          Fizik M 7 October 2020 12: 00
          +3
          Quote: NEXUS
          Zircon will reach the target capture point of its GOS faster than the AUG has time to get out of this triangle of the GOS anti-ship missile system.

          Do you have information about the GSN "C"? wink
          do not confuse it with the seeker of "ordinary" anti-ship missiles
          1. NEXUS
            NEXUS 7 October 2020 12: 03
            +1
            Quote: Fizik M
            Do you have information about the GSN "C"?

            Well, for sure, the GOS Zircon's performance characteristics are no worse than that of Onyx or Granite. hi
            1. The eye of the crying
              The eye of the crying 7 October 2020 12: 13
              +2
              Quote: NEXUS
              Well, for sure, the GOS Tsrkona TTX is no worse than that of Onyx or Granite. hi


              Only now Zircon flies in a cloud of plasma, unlike. Plasma does not transmit radio waves.
              1. NEXUS
                NEXUS 7 October 2020 12: 16
                +2
                Quote: Eye of the Crying
                Only now Zircon flies in a cloud of plasma, unlike. Plasma does not transmit radio waves.

                That is why I said about the Zircon flight algorithm. Most likely, it drops the swing speed to 4 in the final segment in order to throw off the plasma and capture the target, but swing 4 for missile defense of any ship, especially when there is no time for reaction, is quite behind the eyes.
                The Americans even say about the Onyxes that this anti-ship missile system for the missile defense of their ships is very inconvenient and difficult to shoot down, with its speed of Mach 2,5.
                1. The eye of the crying
                  The eye of the crying 7 October 2020 12: 22
                  +2
                  Quote: NEXUS
                  That is why I said about the Zircon flight algorithm.


                  You told about your assumptions.

                  Quote: NEXUS
                  Most likely, he drops the swing speed to 4 in the final segment in order to throw off the plasma


                  And here the size of the area, which the GOS manages to view, already plays a role. And the only thing that can be said more or less confidently is that in the final section of the trajectory Zircon is a supersonic anti-ship missile.
                  1. Fizik M
                    Fizik M 7 October 2020 12: 32
                    +1
                    Quote: Eye of the Crying
                    And the only thing that can be said more or less confidently is that in the final section of the trajectory Zircon is a supersonic anti-ship missile.

                    a controversial issue, or rather a question in the value of
                    in any case, this is not 2-3-4M, but more
                    1. The eye of the crying
                      The eye of the crying 7 October 2020 12: 38
                      -2
                      I think it would be more correct to say "until recently it was a secret." And the higher the rate of descent, the less time it takes to view the area.
                2. g1washntwn
                  g1washntwn 7 October 2020 12: 31
                  -1
                  Quote: NEXUS
                  Most likely, he drops the swing speed to 4 in the final segment, in order to throw off the plasma and capture the target.

                  And at the same moment, it is convenient to make an anti-aircraft maneuver. And as the target is captured, it "disappears" again and materializes already inside the target.
                3. timokhin-aa
                  timokhin-aa 7 October 2020 21: 32
                  0
                  Mach 4 is not enough for Burke and SM-6, provided Aegis works as it should.
                  And we must proceed from the fact that it works as it should.
                  So it's different.
              2. 1_2
                1_2 7 October 2020 12: 37
                -1
                anti-aircraft missiles flying at a speed of 9400 km / hour do not have plasma
                1. The eye of the crying
                  The eye of the crying 7 October 2020 12: 42
                  -2
                  Quote: 1_2
                  anti-aircraft missiles flying at a speed of 9400 km / hour do not have plasma


                  9400km / h is, if my arithmetic does not change me, 7.8M. Which missiles have this speed?
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                  2. 1_2
                    1_2 7 October 2020 13: 14
                    +1
                    С300 С400 missile speed 9400km / hour
                  3. ZEMCH
                    ZEMCH 7 October 2020 13: 48
                    +2
                    The Americans have a THHAD rocket, we have an S-400
                    1. The eye of the crying
                      The eye of the crying 7 October 2020 13: 55
                      0
                      THAAD is transatmospheric.
              3. ghby
                ghby 7 October 2020 13: 10
                +1
                In 2015, they announced that they were busy crossing hypersound (flight in plasma) with electronic warfare elements and there was an understanding of how to do this. In this connection, it seems that the issue was resolved with the GOS.
                https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/2028539
            2. Fizik M
              Fizik M 7 October 2020 12: 14
              0
              Quote: NEXUS
              Well, for sure, the GOS Tsrkona TTX is no worse than that of Onyx or Granite.

              and if you think about it?!?!?
              WORKING CONDITIONS are completely different
              correspondingly and opportunities
              incl. by detection range
              1. NEXUS
                NEXUS 7 October 2020 12: 19
                0
                Quote: Fizik M
                WORKING CONDITIONS are completely different

                From what? I wrote above ..
                Quote: NEXUS
                Most likely, he drops the swing speed to 4 in the final segment, in order to throw off the plasma and capture the target.

                And then as they taught ... wink
                Quote: Fizik M
                correspondingly and opportunities
                incl. by detection range

                Most likely, the detection range of Zircon is greater than that of Onyx ... but this is secret data and one can only guess.
                1. Fizik M
                  Fizik M 7 October 2020 12: 31
                  0
                  Quote: NEXUS
                  And then as they taught ...

                  his kinetic energy turns out to be too high to "dump"
                  my IMHO - "chemically" with plasma
                  Quote: NEXUS
                  Most likely, the detection range of Zircon is greater than that of Onyx ... but this is secret data and one can only guess.

                  science physics says the opposite
      4. bar
        bar 7 October 2020 12: 26
        -7
        Quote: Eskobar
        And what target did it hit? Stationary with coordinates hammered into the rocket's memory, or moving?

        What is needed, and this amazed. At least I got to the epicenter for sure laughing
        1. Operator
          Operator 7 October 2020 12: 51
          -7
          Where 1-Mtn is the epicenter - there is the goal bully
          1. Fizik M
            Fizik M 7 October 2020 13: 04
            +2
            Quote: Operator
            Where 1-Mtn is the epicenter - there is the goal

            where is Dyusha there and "fly agaric" lol .
      5. Bad_gr
        Bad_gr 7 October 2020 12: 52
        +4
        Anti-ship missile. That is, the means of aiming the missile should be taking into account the fact that the target does not stand still.
        1. keeper03
          keeper03 7 October 2020 17: 16
          0
          Everything is there as it should, those who want to check can already sail to our shores! angry soldier yes
    3. Fizik M
      Fizik M 7 October 2020 11: 08
      -13 qualifying.
      Quote: lucul
      Well, the opponents argued that at such a distance, Russia had nothing to issue target designation to this distance. And the entire declared range of destruction of Caliber / Zircon into the void ...
      Oppa and lies are synonymous words ...

      just YOU are very stupid to understand what is written
      https://www.vpk-news.ru/articles/56044
      1. lucul
        lucul 7 October 2020 11: 09
        +6
        just YOU are very stupid to understand what is written

        Well, where am I to you ... physicists)))
    4. APASUS
      APASUS 7 October 2020 11: 09
      +9
      Quote: lucul
      Well, the opponents argued that at such a distance, Russia had nothing to issue target designation to this distance. And the entire declared range of destruction of Caliber / Zircon into the void ...

      Have you even disassembled the performance characteristics of "Zircon" (3M22) or so from the bulldozer declare and this is not the first time?
      "Zircon"
      Overview
      Country Russia
      Purpose anti-ship cruise missile
      Developer NPO Mashinostroeniya
      Main characteristics
      Length (with MS) 8 - 10 m
      Diameter?
      Launch mass ~
      Fuel type decilin (?)
      The maximum range is not less than 500 km [⇨]
      Charge power?
      INS + ARLGSN management system

      And now specifically on the guidance system:
      ANN-
      Inertial navigation is a method of navigation (determining the coordinates and parameters of movement of various objects - ships, airplanes, missiles, etc.) and controlling their movement, based on the properties of inertia of bodies, which is autonomous, that is, it does not require external landmarks or signals coming from outside. Non-autonomous methods for solving navigation problems are based on the use of external landmarks or signals (for example, stars, lighthouses, radio signals, etc.). These methods, in principle, are quite simple, but in some cases they cannot be implemented due to the lack of visibility or the presence of interference for radio signals, etc. [1] The need to create autonomous navigation systems was the reason for the emergence of inertial navigation

      ARLGSN-
      A homing head (abbreviated homing head or seeker) is an automatic device that is installed on a guided weapon (missile, bomb, torpedo, etc.) to ensure a direct hit into an attack object or approach at a distance less than the combat radius. parts of the means of destruction (SP), that is, to ensure high accuracy of targeting. GOS is an element of the homing system.
      A LP equipped with a seeker can "see" a target, which is "illuminated" by the carrier or by itself, an emitting or contrast target and independently aim at it, in contrast to missiles guided by a command method.

      The ship is more than a contrast target on the sea surface, taking into account also the infrared radiation, radiation from communications equipment and locators. What other data do you need?
      1. lucul
        lucul 7 October 2020 11: 12
        -3
        or so from the bulldozer declare and not the first time?

        I declare the census of opps on the site open)))
        1. APASUS
          APASUS 7 October 2020 12: 35
          0
          Quote: lucul
          or so from the bulldozer declare and not the first time?

          I declare the census of opps on the site open)))

          This is what I understand the detailed answer! And then they are trying to powder everyone with concepts
          inertial and gravimetric homing systems, special warheads with a capacity of 1 Mt, plasma cocoon
          1. timokhin-aa
            timokhin-aa 7 October 2020 19: 16
            0
            Those who do not jump are for Navalny!
      2. Operator
        Operator 7 October 2020 11: 25
        +3
        Radar, optical and magnetometric homing devices do not work through the plasma cocoon. Only inertial and gravimetric homing systems remain (with an accuracy of 10 meters for each second of flight and 200 meters, respectively, regardless of the flight range). But they are not applicable to moving targets such as ships (in 4,5 minutes the ship will move ~ 4,5 km from the initial point).

        A special warhead with a capacity of 1Mtn (weighing 400 kg) solves the issue, but it is desirable to be able to use a conventional warhead. Therefore, the most interesting thing that remained behind the scenes is how the Zircon was homing on the terminal leg of the flight. Possible answer: radar through the plasma after it has stabilized for a few seconds.
        1. Fizik M
          Fizik M 7 October 2020 12: 02
          -5
          Quote: Operator
          Only inertial and gravimetric GOS

          fool
          mdaaaaaa .... "fly agaric" at YOU today is extremely zaborista ... lol
        2. silver_roman
          silver_roman 7 October 2020 12: 10
          +3
          Therefore, the most interesting thing that remained behind the scenes is how the Zircon was homing on the terminal leg of the flight.

          As an option, fly according to the coordinates specified in the CIUS to the corresponding area where the target is located on hypersound, then, approaching the target area, slowing down to supersonic, turns on the ARGSN and tracks it in the specified area according to the specified target profile, but this principle is not new. Of course, I would like to hope that in the process of R&D we were still able to solve the task of the control center for a rocket flying on hypersound and located in a plasma cloud, while making it possible to make adjustments to the missile's "combat mission". We are unlikely to find out the truth anytime soon.
          1. Operator
            Operator 7 October 2020 12: 38
            0
            It is possible and so - with some loss of invulnerability.
        3. The eye of the crying
          The eye of the crying 7 October 2020 12: 26
          0
          Quote: Operator
          gravimetric GOS


          Wow.
    5. KVU-NSVD
      KVU-NSVD 7 October 2020 11: 11
      +2
      Quote: lucul
      450 km, in 270 seconds, 1,6 km per second, good speed

      Well, the opponents argued that at such a distance, Russia had nothing to issue target designation to this distance. And the entire declared range of destruction of Caliber / Zircon into the void ...
      Oppa and lies are synonymous words ...

      Well, in fairness, I must say that there are no problems with target designation at landfills.
    6. NEXUS
      NEXUS 7 October 2020 12: 01
      +4
      Quote: lucul
      Russia has nothing to issue target designation to this distance.

      And why does Zircon need escort and precise target designation from outside? With his speed, he will reach the point of capture of the target of his seeker faster than the target has time to escape from the capture area. Zircon needs to indicate the exact direction where to fly, and he will find the target himself. And if this is a flock of Zircons, then the task of capturing the target becomes a matter of technique, literally.
      1. Bad_gr
        Bad_gr 7 October 2020 13: 24
        +1
        Quote: NEXUS
        Zircon needs to indicate the exact direction where to fly, and he will find the target himself.

        Is not a fact. If he approaches the target on hypersonic, then he will not be able to use his means of guidance because of the plasma, but it seems that ours have learned to maintain communication in this state (Stormy, for example, is controlled at similar speeds). And having a connection, you can correct its flight by external target designation.
    7. timokhin-aa
      timokhin-aa 7 October 2020 19: 08
      +1
      It was not the opponents who proved this to you, but the navigator of the naval missile-carrying aviation with experience in the training attack of a real American aircraft carrier.

      And yes - nothing. The fact that there was a shot at the shield with previously known coordinates is not at all the same. what to find in the sea a ship evading detection, the location of which is known with an error of 500-600 km.
  • Lipchanin
    Lipchanin 7 October 2020 11: 54
    0
    Quote: Pessimist22
    450 km, 270 seconds, 1,6 km per second, good speed.

    You took average speed. But she wasn't always like that. On the acceleration section, it was less
  • tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 7 October 2020 10: 23
    14
    Joining the congratulations! It's still a long way to the evening, maybe you have experienced or are experiencing something else! good repeat
  • silberwolf88
    silberwolf88 7 October 2020 10: 24
    20
    another brick in the foundation of the independence of the Motherland and the guarantee of a peaceful sky above it ...
  • Andrei from Chelyabinsk
    Andrei from Chelyabinsk 7 October 2020 10: 24
    29
    HOORAY!
    Here is at least some more or less realistic data on Zircons.
    They obviously did not shoot at full range, which means that it really flies over 500 km, the rocket, as it should have been supposed, high-altitude, average speed on the route (450 km in 4,5 minutes) - 6 thousand km per hour ... it's simple some kind of fairy tale :))))
    1. Livonetc
      Livonetc 7 October 2020 10: 52
      -7
      A serious race begins in the development of laser weapons.
      Actually it did not end, but now everyone will invest much more money in the development.
      1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
        Andrei from Chelyabinsk 7 October 2020 11: 00
        15
        Quote: Livonetc
        A serious race begins in the development of laser weapons.

        Forget about it :)))) Shooting down such a missile with a laser is a matter of an insanely distant future. Today there are no such opportunities, primarily in the energy sector.
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 7 October 2020 11: 15
          -10 qualifying.
          Why not an airborne megawatt laser was created and tested 10 years ago, and that in terms of energy, one shot, one superionistor, then recharge per charged one.
          1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
            Andrei from Chelyabinsk 7 October 2020 11: 25
            +6
            Quote: Vadim237
            Why not an airborne megawatt laser was created and tested 10 years ago

            Only here he cannot shoot down a rocket like Zircon. In order to shoot down a rocket, it was necessary to keep the laser beam on the vulnerable area of ​​the rocket for a long time. In the event of a zircon attack, none of this will happen.
          2. ZEMCH
            ZEMCH 7 October 2020 11: 35
            +4
            We must still have time to aim the laser
            1. Fizik M
              Fizik M 7 October 2020 12: 03
              +1
              Quote: ZEMCH
              We must still have time to aim the laser

              aim - no problem, but HOLDING is unrealistic
            2. Vadim237
              Vadim237 7 October 2020 15: 20
              -3
              Modern target designation systems already allow this. And if the laser itself is pulsed megawatts for 10 or more, the rocket body will melt in a second.
              1. vargo
                vargo 7 October 2020 17: 55
                0
                She flies on hypersound, and her temperature is enough there. Certain materials are also used. Are you sure that a laser will actually shoot at such a target? At least the power of the lasers that you sound? I just doubt that it will be such a real task, but if I don’t know anything, I’ll be glad to know (I’m quite serious)
              2. ZEMCH
                ZEMCH 7 October 2020 22: 57
                +2
                If you name a laser carrier with such energy storage characteristics, then I will agree to the possibility of using it, alas)))
          3. silver_roman
            silver_roman 7 October 2020 12: 17
            0
            I read that the 747s, on which these laser systems were installed, could fire no more than a few shots. I do not remember what exactly was connected with, but each shot carried a threat to the side.
            I also read somewhere that banal clouds are a rather difficult problem for a laser.
            And in general, it is interesting that the laser hits the target with a temperature effect. What happens to the air around the flight path of the laser line? He, in theory, shoots not like in films with single beams, but purely a line. How will the air behave if such a laser hits 100+ km? The impact on the atmosphere, etc. is not clear. I think this is a question for the far future, although 15 years ago no one could have imagined about cars that drive themselves from point A to point B without the participation of a driver, taking into account all the traffic rules.
            1. ZEMCH
              ZEMCH 7 October 2020 13: 31
              +1
              Quote: silver_roman
              I read that the 747s, on which these laser systems were installed, could fire no more than a few shots. I do not remember what exactly was connected with, but each shot carried a threat to the side.

              The problem is in the energy of the laser, i.e. one megawatt salvo requires more than 1 mW of stored energy.
              Quote: silver_roman
              I also read somewhere that banal clouds are a rather difficult problem for a laser.

              Yes, if there is dust, clouds on the laser trajectory, then this reduces the energy
              Quote: silver_roman
              And in general, it is interesting, the laser hits the target with temperature effects. What happens to the air around the flight path of the laser line? He, in theory, shoots not like in films with single beams, but purely a line. How will the air behave if such a laser hits 100+ km?

              Air is ionized, for this, in principle, part of the energy is spent
            2. Vadim237
              Vadim237 7 October 2020 15: 28
              0
              Now it is proposed to use a collecting laser, these are several laser beams collected at one point in order to reduce the scattering of the spot at long distances and the use of a guiding beam, something like a protective channel for the main laser beam - a laser beam in protecting the laser beam - by 10 - 15 percent this will help increase laser efficiency in fog and clouds.
          4. Operator
            Operator 7 October 2020 12: 56
            +3
            The plasma cocoon consists of a stream of plasma that is constantly generated in the head of the rocket and thrown in its tail - the laser will have to heat the volume of plasma replaced at a tremendous speed again and again - here not megaWatts, but gigWatts will be required.
      2. Fizik M
        Fizik M 7 October 2020 11: 03
        +1
        Quote: Livonetc
        A serious race begins in the development of laser weapons.

        Monsieur, YOU missed the recent news (in fact it was already "a little long time ago") about the successful interception of a hypersonic missile target (with us)
        worked "Antey" on ... bully
      3. Vol4ara
        Vol4ara 7 October 2020 11: 05
        +1
        Quote: Livonetc
        A serious race begins in the development of laser weapons.
        Actually it did not end, but now everyone will invest much more money in the development.

        Very powerful lasers are needed there; they will not appear in the near future. There won't be enough time at this speed
        1. Sentinel-vs
          Sentinel-vs 7 October 2020 11: 11
          +6
          You at least look at the frames of the tests. The rocket took off into the clouds in seconds. On approach, it will fly out of such clouds in a split second. No laser can shoot it down in such a flight time. And through the clouds, the laser will not work properly.
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 7 October 2020 15: 32
            0
            There are missile defense satellites with IR cameras in service with the United States, and I doubt that the launch of this missile by the Aegis radar of the latest modification will not be able to detect it.
            1. ZEMCH
              ZEMCH 7 October 2020 23: 00
              +1
              Along unknown trajectories (maneuvering), IJIS can and will detect, but will not aim
      4. garri-lin
        garri-lin 7 October 2020 11: 09
        14
        The rocket in flight heats up more than the laser can heat it. Nothing shines there for the laser.
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 7 October 2020 15: 34
          0
          It already depends on the power of the laser - powerful lasers and tungsten alloys melt in a few seconds.
          1. garri-lin
            garri-lin 7 October 2020 19: 33
            -1
            At what distance? 3-5 km?
    2. novel66
      novel66 7 October 2020 11: 02
      +2
      and yet - who specified it?
      1. Fizik M
        Fizik M 7 October 2020 11: 10
        0
        Quote: novel xnumx
        who pointed out?

        in this particular case - navigator wink and organizers of the shooting
      2. The popuas
        The popuas 7 October 2020 11: 35
        +2
        Corrector with tablet winked
        1. novel66
          novel66 7 October 2020 11: 46
          +1
          then they will definitely not miss!
        2. g1washntwn
          g1washntwn 7 October 2020 11: 47
          10
          Along the entire route there were skiffs with sailors who semaphore the rocket in the desired direction to the target. The latter semaphore with flags directly from the target "I am here" and just before hitting it jumped into the submarine waiting for him. The target is hit. There are no casualties. So everything was so. lol
      3. Boris Chernikov
        Boris Chernikov 7 October 2020 12: 52
        -2
        set the square for finding the target, and there the rocket was already aiming
        1. Fizik M
          Fizik M 7 October 2020 13: 05
          -3
          Quote: Boris Chernikov
          set the square for finding the target, and there the rocket was already aiming

          fool
          and what is not a hexagon?
          1. novel66
            novel66 7 October 2020 13: 08
            +4
            harder to target
            1. Fizik M
              Fizik M 7 October 2020 13: 20
              0
              Quote: novel xnumx
              harder to target

              good
          2. Boris Chernikov
            Boris Chernikov 7 October 2020 16: 16
            0
            and what is not a parallelepiped?) I always adore when they write not on business, but just to write ..
            1. timokhin-aa
              timokhin-aa 7 October 2020 22: 20
              -1
              Not a parallelepiped, but why not a square.
          3. alexmach
            alexmach 7 October 2020 16: 16
            -1
            and what is not a hexagon?

            It is more convenient to draw squares under the ruler on a tablet in the field.
  • Ali
    Ali 7 October 2020 10: 26
    14
    Good luck and installation for the Russian Navy!
  • RUS96
    RUS96 7 October 2020 10: 26
    17
    When the enemy detected the launch, but did not have time to press the button good
  • Piramidon
    Piramidon 7 October 2020 10: 28
    13
    So much for the "cartoons". We can congratulate the developers.
  • 7,62h54
    7,62h54 7 October 2020 10: 33
    +2
    Just like in North Korea, they fired a rocket on their birthday and a solemn speech.
    1. Volodin
      Volodin 7 October 2020 10: 34
      29
      Quote: 7,62x54
      Just like in North Korea, they fired a rocket on their birthday and a solemn speech.

      Give an example of a country where such events are not reported to the supreme commander in chief.

      Although - everything is true: they do not report anywhere, since there are no hypersonic anti-ship missiles anywhere except Russia.
      1. Roman13579
        Roman13579 7 October 2020 10: 45
        -15 qualifying.
        Give an example of a country where such events are not reported to the supreme commander in chief.


        The question is not correctly posed ..
        It should have sounded like this - Give as an example a country in which such events are organized every year for the birthday of the Supreme Commander-in-Chief.
        1. Kart
          Kart 7 October 2020 11: 02
          21
          There is an example of a country in which nothing suits at all. Not on birthday, not on other days.
          They just jump with saucepans on their heads on Russian sites.
          Guess what this "country" is called?
          1. Roman13579
            Roman13579 7 October 2020 11: 12
            -10 qualifying.
            There is an example of a country in which nothing suits at all. Not on birthday, not on other days.

            Now some conventional Swedes were upset .. and everyone wanted to come to Russia ..))

            They only ride with pans on their heads
            Found someone to look up to ..))
            So yes .. against their background, we wow ..))
            There are also quite a few African countries .. you can also make a comparison with them ..
            1. MMX
              MMX 7 October 2020 14: 37
              +1
              Now some conventional Swedes were upset .. and everyone wanted to come to Russia ..))


              It's amazing why the Swedes live at home. After all, a long time ago they could have moved to the United States all together ...

              Found someone to look up to ..))
              So yes .. against their background, we wow ..))
              There are also quite a few African countries .. you can also make a comparison with them ..


              Is there a list of what to look up to? Announce the entire list, please.
        2. 1976AG
          1976AG 7 October 2020 11: 22
          +4
          And with us from year to year? And before that, the launches were timed to what?
          1. Roman13579
            Roman13579 7 October 2020 11: 34
            -6
            Well, remember when, for example, Gauges lit up ..
            And what was it timed to ..
            1. 1976AG
              1976AG 7 October 2020 12: 08
              +2
              Was it timed? And when were the Caliber tests? And this is not even the first test launch for Zircon. And not even the first combat one. Just another launch ...
              1. Roman13579
                Roman13579 7 October 2020 12: 16
                -5
                Was it timed?

                Officially, of course not ..
                Like these launches ..
                They will not say openly that someone is so amused by this self-esteem ..
                Just coincidence .. no more ..))
                1. 1976AG
                  1976AG 7 October 2020 12: 21
                  +3
                  Quote: Roman13579
                  Was it timed?

                  Officially, of course not ..
                  Like these launches ..
                  They will not say openly that someone is so amused by this self-esteem ..
                  Just coincidence .. no more ..))

                  Then why was the first trial not timed? It's just another one. We have a lot of weapons and a lot of test launches, some of which coincide with some dates. No more.
                  1. Roman13579
                    Roman13579 7 October 2020 12: 36
                    -2
                    Oh .. yes, and during the Soviet Union, too, NOT all rockets took off exclusively on the eve of the plenum of the Central Committee of the CPSU ..
                    1. 1976AG
                      1976AG 7 October 2020 12: 39
                      +3
                      Quote: Roman13579
                      Oh .. yes, and during the Soviet Union, too, NOT all rockets took off exclusively on the eve of the plenum of the Central Committee of the CPSU ..

                      That is, in your opinion, tests can be carried out anytime, but not on certain dates? There are two coincidences out of 100 launches, and you have already caused panic.
          2. codetalker
            codetalker 7 October 2020 12: 10
            +4
            Yes, he would have league with something to lie ...
    2. Soho
      Soho 7 October 2020 10: 47
      +2
      fired a rocket on my birthday and a gala speech

      There is a positive aspect here - in such congratulatory launches they will do everything so that there are no failures or mistakes)
      1. Roman13579
        Roman13579 7 October 2020 10: 54
        -11 qualifying.
        will do everything so that there are no failures or mistakes

        It seems to me - they always try to do without failures ..
        That did not prevent in any way from postponing the launch of the rocket from Vostochny in the presence of Putin ... when he had to wait there another day ...
      2. 1976AG
        1976AG 7 October 2020 11: 24
        +7
        Every test run is prepared very carefully. This is not a machine gun to shoot.
  • d4rkmesa
    d4rkmesa 7 October 2020 10: 33
    -6
    Cool. The video is only misleading - there is clearly "Onyx".
    1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
      Andrei from Chelyabinsk 7 October 2020 10: 39
      +1
      This is possible, of course, but still - why?
      1. d4rkmesa
        d4rkmesa 7 October 2020 10: 46
        -7
        It is very similar, both in a blurred frame, and in the operation of the starting accelerator with the characteristic shooting of the "cover". For example, "Bastion":
        1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
          Andrei from Chelyabinsk 7 October 2020 10: 51
          11
          Quote: d4rkmesa
          Very similar

          I understand that, but it should be similar. After all, it is not a rocket, a container that is fired, but since it is said about the use of Zircon from the existing UKSK, it should be unified.
          1. d4rkmesa
            d4rkmesa 7 October 2020 10: 55
            -3
            Anything is possible, time will tell. So far, these shots are surprising.
          2. pipetro
            pipetro 7 October 2020 11: 23
            +2
            How else should Zircon be fired from a ship so as not to drown him? When it is based on the ground, it can fire differently.
          3. d4rkmesa
            d4rkmesa 7 October 2020 11: 42
            0
            Although, most likely I'm still wrong. At 1080p, the differences are more obvious.
          4. silver_roman
            silver_roman 7 October 2020 12: 25
            +2
            I beg your pardon, maybe I don’t understand something, but what does it mean “the container is fired”? I always thought that the rocket was installed in the UKSK, i.e. a universal container 3M14, for which such missiles as Onyx, Caliber and now Zircon are standardized. But does the container itself fly away with the rocket? wassat Or is there another container in the UKSK, in which the rocket is located, which is fired back before acceleration?
            1. Operator
              Operator 7 October 2020 13: 00
              -4
              Judging by the video, "Zircon" in the container is fired at a mortar from the UKSK, and from the container it leaves already in the air by turning on the solid-fuel booster.
              1. silver_roman
                silver_roman 7 October 2020 13: 06
                +1
                why do we need this hypothetical container?
                1. Operator
                  Operator 7 October 2020 13: 21
                  +1
                  Already a very hypersonic glider "Zircon" with a load-bearing body and a bucket air intake is not suitable for a mortar launch using a powder charge (the so-called pressure accumulator).
                  1. Bad_gr
                    Bad_gr 7 October 2020 13: 34
                    0
                    Quote: Operator
                    Already a very hypersonic glider "Zircon" with a load-bearing body and a bucket air intake is not suitable for a mortar launch using a powder charge (the so-called pressure accumulator).

                    The video does not show a mortar start. And in the air, the rocket unfolds with the booster engine initially working.
                    1. Operator
                      Operator 7 October 2020 14: 03
                      +1
                      Hot start looks like this

                      1. Bad_gr
                        Bad_gr 7 October 2020 18: 39
                        0
                        Quote: Operator
                        Hot start looks like this

                        Does it look like a mortar? (screenshot in the video on "Zircon")

                        Moreover, the "Zircon" is launched from the same cells as the "Caliber", and they do not have a mortar.
                        For comparison.
                        When the engine is turned on, the torch will reach the pipes, but not as in the picture with Zircon
                      2. Operator
                        Operator 7 October 2020 19: 06
                        0
                        The flame in the video does not appear before (as with a hot start), but after the release of the Zircon TPK from the UKSK cell - this is just exhaust from a mortar launch using a relatively powerful powder charge (due to the large mass of Zircon) - about this was public information of the Russian Navy.
                      3. Bad_gr
                        Bad_gr 7 October 2020 19: 44
                        0
                        Quote: Operator
                        this is just the exhaust from a mortar launch with the use of a relatively powerful powder charge (due to the large mass of "Zircon") - this was the public information of the Russian Navy.

                        Clear. Then for small ships the Zircon launch will be a good shake-up.
                      4. Operator
                        Operator 7 October 2020 21: 40
                        -1
                        It has already been noted in the comments that the Zircons can only be launched from the USKS, modernized for Onyx, plus also reinforced for the energetics of the Zircon launch. not from all available naval carriers of the Russian Navy.

                        Naturally, this limitation does not apply to carriers of the type "Ash", "Laeks", frigates and corvettes of new projects, as well as to the "Antey" undergoing modernization.
                  2. ZEMCH
                    ZEMCH 7 October 2020 23: 16
                    +2
                    In the photo you have missiles with different masses, therefore the charges are different. See how the Voivode starts)))
            2. ZEMCH
              ZEMCH 7 October 2020 16: 16
              +2
              Both Onyx and Zircon come out with "sheathed" (differently called, this is for the understanding of the uninformed) air intakes, when the engine is started, the "covers" are fired back
    2. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 8 October 2020 01: 20
      +2
      First, the container is fired with a powder charge.
      Then the solid fuel booster starts working. An altitude of 28 km is reached and
      hypersonic speed.
      Then the turbo-jet engine turns on. He is unable to maintain hyperspeed,
      and it is removed to high supersonic sound.
      The rocket, gradually descending, flies at an altitude of about 20 km.
      Below - overheating, above - the wings are useless.
      At the terminal site, the rocket dives down, still slowing down.
      The seeker locks onto the target, and the target is hit at low supersonic.
      1. silver_roman
        silver_roman 8 October 2020 10: 15
        0
        Those. on the section of the trajectory to reach the target Zircon is flying not on hypersonic?
        I always believed that the interception of a CD or anti-ship missile system occurs just on the target area (target capture of the ARGSN anti-ship missile system), and hypersound in this area should just complicate this task for the air defense system. Then it turns out hypersound is needed only in order to reach the target faster?
        It seems like the same ONYX / YAHONT, on the contrary, accelerates when capturing a target to 2-3M. I may be wrong, correct if that.
  • Vadim237
    Vadim237 7 October 2020 11: 18
    +2
    Well, probably because the very design of the rocket is a state secret.
    1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
      Andrei from Chelyabinsk 7 October 2020 11: 21
      +2
      Quote: Vadim237
      Well, probably because the very design of the rocket is a state secret.

      Thanks, Cap. I never knew that a typical container for launching from the UKSK became a state secret
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 7 October 2020 11: 39
        0
        I meant a hypersonic missile and not a universal container in dimensions, it is similar to Onyx and the Caliber family, but the design itself is different.
        1. ZEMCH
          ZEMCH 7 October 2020 23: 19
          +1
          In terms of weight and dimensions, it can only be compared with onyx, the caliber is smaller
    2. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 8 October 2020 01: 21
      +2
      "probably because the very design of the rocket is a state secret" ////
      -----
      Therefore, there is not a single photograph of this rocket.
      Only our fuckers immediately publish photos of both Hatz and Laura,
      and Spikes in slow motion.
      And the enemies immediately copy the design. am
  • dsdelta
    dsdelta 7 October 2020 10: 54
    +1
    Who said that this orientation can only be applied on Onyx? Moreover, it starts vertically, and the trajectory is not ballistic.
    1. d4rkmesa
      d4rkmesa 7 October 2020 11: 01
      -3
      The fact is that some footage on the first channel, for example, has already been shown with something like the launch of "Zircon". And there is nothing like it.
  • Woodman
    Woodman 7 October 2020 10: 33
    16
    an exclusive informational gift to the President of Russia on his 68th birthday.
    Happy Birthday!
    1. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 7 October 2020 10: 40
      +8
      Quote: Lesovik
      Happy Birthday!
      drinks drinks drinks It's a pity they won't call us ... crying
      1. 1976AG
        1976AG 7 October 2020 12: 23
        +2
        Quote: Uncle Lee
        Quote: Lesovik
        Happy Birthday!
        drinks drinks drinks It's a pity they won't call us ... crying

        And you write to him on social networks, suddenly invite)
        1. Uncle lee
          Uncle lee 8 October 2020 02: 24
          +1
          It's late ..... recourse
  • stas
    stas 7 October 2020 10: 34
    -26 qualifying.
    So are we going to scare the whole world with our missiles?
    Maybe it's time to frighten the WORLD with economic successes, and not with "spiritual bonds"!
    1. d4rkmesa
      d4rkmesa 7 October 2020 10: 36
      +6
      One does not interfere. The same Japs and Taiwanese Chinese are happy to make supersonic anti-ship missiles.
    2. Cottodraton
      Cottodraton 7 October 2020 10: 47
      +8
      Here go and show me how it should be .... zadolbal!
    3. aybolyt678
      aybolyt678 7 October 2020 10: 57
      13
      ++
      Quote: stas
      So are we going to scare the whole world with our missiles?

      we do not scare the world but reset to zero laughing aircraft carriers famous states smile
    4. Fizik M
      Fizik M 7 October 2020 11: 11
      20
      Quote: stas
      It may be time to scare the WORLD with economic successes, and not

      I will upset YOU, just our Armed Forces (including strategic nuclear forces) are a powerful economic factor - the INDEPENDENT development of the country
    5. keeper03
      keeper03 7 October 2020 17: 25
      0
      It's time to move from words to deeds! soldier
  • EnGenius
    EnGenius 7 October 2020 10: 35
    10
    The video is gorgeous, Western analysts will rub their eyes at least something interesting to consider) All secrets disappeared in a second in a haze.
  • Roman13579
    Roman13579 7 October 2020 10: 37
    -21 qualifying.
    presented an exclusive informational gift

    True, the gift is not informational, but quite real to itself .. because besides Putin, hardly anyone else will believe in such a coincidence ..))
  • stas
    stas 7 October 2020 10: 43
    -34 qualifying.
    This site is controlled by Eaters of Russia or what ????? So the spiritual patriots were so excited!
    1. Woodman
      Woodman 7 October 2020 10: 47
      27
      Quote: stas
      This site is controlled by Eaters of Russia or what ????? So the spiritual patriots were so excited!

      Drink a sedative and turn on the "Echo of Moscow", maybe it will feel better.
      1. stas
        stas 7 October 2020 10: 53
        -8
        So ECHO of Moscow is contained by the Kremlin through Gazprom. What are you against the Kremlin?
        1. Woodman
          Woodman 7 October 2020 10: 58
          15
          Quote: stas
          So ECHO of Moscow is contained by the Kremlin through Gazprom. What are you against the Kremlin?

          Well, find yourself something to your taste. Wait there are enough garbage dumps for every taste.
          1. stas
            stas 7 October 2020 11: 05
            -16 qualifying.
            So they want to turn the whole of Russia into North Korea, therefore there are many garbage dumps where the Lesoviks are bugging like devils!
            1. Woodman
              Woodman 7 October 2020 11: 09
              15
              Quote: stas
              So they want to turn the whole of Russia into North Korea, therefore there are many garbage dumps where the Lesoviks are bugging like devils!

              When I offered a sedative, I didn't mean hallucinogens ...
    2. sevryuk
      sevryuk 7 October 2020 11: 03
      +3
      Take it higher - straight to Soros! bully
    3. Kart
      Kart 7 October 2020 11: 09
      +4
      Quote: stas
      This site is controlled by Eaters of Russia or what ?????

      No, what are you.
      Skakuas like you.
    4. Sidor Amenpodestovich
      Sidor Amenpodestovich 7 October 2020 11: 29
      18
      Quote: stas
      This site is controlled by Eaters of Russia or what ????? So the spiritual patriots were so excited!

      This site is controlled by people who are not rude and behave with restraint, and not like fluttering hysterics.
      So you are unlikely to like it here.
  • bars1
    bars1 7 October 2020 10: 43
    -4
    Does this missile have a scramjet engine? Or is it the same verbal balancing act as in the case of the "hypersonic" solid-fuel rocket "Dagger? Of course, they will object to me:" Are you checkered or go? He beats the foe and good! ", And they will be, in principle, right. But the creation of a scramjet rocket, as well as the most stable scramjet, is a completely different stage in the development of technology.
    1. nobody75
      nobody75 7 October 2020 11: 13
      +2
      Dagger is an aerobalistic rocket. It has a trajectory like a "flat pebble" bouncing off the surface of the water. This allows him to adjust the flight. The uniqueness of the dagger in the control and navigation system. What do you have against a solid fuel engine?
      Sincerely
    2. ZEMCH
      ZEMCH 7 October 2020 16: 20
      +2
      Quote: bars1
      But the creation of a scramjet rocket, as well as the most stable scramjet, is a completely different stage in the development of technology.

      You want the engine to be shown in a section, presented how we made the GOS, and laid out the fuel formula)))
  • shoroh
    shoroh 7 October 2020 10: 43
    -8
    The rocket is good, but where are the carriers of this rocket? How many pennants are ready to go out to sea right now armed with this missile? One frigate Gorshkov? How many are planned and when will it be implemented? There are many questions, no answers. In 2007, they adopted a plan for rearmament of the army and navy, how much was it fulfilled, what sums were spent and for what?
    1. codetalker
      codetalker 7 October 2020 10: 55
      +8
      Why only Gorshkov? Wherever UKSK is ...
      1. Fizik M
        Fizik M 7 October 2020 11: 50
        0
        Quote: codetalker
        Wherever UKSK is ...

        unfortunately - not everywhere
        the question was "cheap", but "in some places" "they saved on matches" ...
      2. ZEMCH
        ZEMCH 7 October 2020 15: 08
        +2
        Quote: codetalker
        Why only Gorshkov? Wherever UKSK is ...

        More correctly, those UKSK from where Onyx can be launched, from 11356 they will not be able
    2. The eye of the crying
      The eye of the crying 7 October 2020 12: 29
      0
      Quote: shoroh
      How many pennants are ready to go out to sea right now armed with this missile?


      No one. Messages that the missile has been put into service. no.
      1. shoroh
        shoroh 7 October 2020 13: 20
        -11 qualifying.
        Exactly, I am amazed by these stinging people. Not accepted for service. In the event of a real conflict, one ship can use this weapon. How many of these missiles are available in a combat-ready instance? Probably 1 left - spare. What to be happy about then? We are afraid of Turkey on the Black Sea, Japan is one head stronger than the fleet by two, and then an event, the launch of one experimental rocket. Honestly, it looks more and more like the DPRK.
        1. 1976AG
          1976AG 7 October 2020 15: 15
          +3
          Quote: shoroh
          Exactly, I am amazed by these stinging people. Not accepted for service. In the event of a real conflict, one ship can use this weapon. How many of these missiles are available in a combat-ready instance? Probably 1 left - spare. What to be happy about then? We are afraid of Turkey on the Black Sea, Japan is one head stronger than the fleet by two, and then an event, the launch of one experimental rocket. Honestly, it looks more and more like the DPRK.

          If you are talking about an armed conflict, then, in fairness, do not forget about the Dagger, it has already been adopted for service.
  • maktub
    maktub 7 October 2020 10: 45
    -12 qualifying.
    And where is the target hitting footage?
    1. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 7 October 2020 13: 09
      -5
      Quote: maktub
      And where is the target hitting footage?

      There are secret holes from defeat. Why do you need? Are you a foreign spy?
      1. maktub
        maktub 7 October 2020 13: 33
        -1
        I was born on assignment of American intelligence, I know karate-do and karate -after ...
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 7 October 2020 13: 41
          -2
          Quote: maktub
          I know karate-do and karate-after ...

          And I own the style of a drunken master and the style of a crane. So your Japanese karate does not work. wink
  • jovanni
    jovanni 7 October 2020 10: 45
    +4
    Eh, it's a pity there is no video of hitting the target ...
  • ZEMCH
    ZEMCH 7 October 2020 10: 46
    +3
    Congratulations on the successful launch of all participants !!!
    "Cartoons" for "partners" come to life on the indicators of controls. I think the costs for air defense / missile defense will be huge.
    The Congressional Budget Committee "draws zeros", because now Trump's super-duper-rocket has to be defended somehow)))
    1. Fizik M
      Fizik M 7 October 2020 11: 05
      +1
      Quote: ZEMCH
      I think the costs for air defense / missile defense will be huge.

      Americans now "bite elbows" that they missed the size of the UVP cell
      1. Cympak
        Cympak 7 October 2020 12: 45
        0
        Well, this is only for the existing USN surface ships, and Virginia Payload Module (VPM) is planned to be installed on the Virginia block V nuclear submarine. I think that in VPM Americans will take into account their mistakes
    2. timokhin-aa
      timokhin-aa 7 October 2020 22: 24
      -1
      >>> "Cartoons" for "partners" come to life on the indicators of controls. I think the costs for air defense / missile defense will be huge. <<

      I think we just gave them an unsolvable problem))
  • Freedim
    Freedim 7 October 2020 10: 48
    +3
    Let's hope that the star-striped ones in their air troughs will now bypass our borders further away ... The technique is new .. suddenly someone accidentally misses the training target :)
    1. Fizik M
      Fizik M 7 October 2020 12: 48
      +1
      Quote: FreeDIM
      will now bypass our borders on their air troughs.

      they will simply increase the range of application and the composition of strike air groups
      acc. figures for "C" were already "flashed" in the early 2010s
      and will stupidly knock out the Zircon ship carriers from a safe distance with aviation
      therefore, "Zircon" is not a much more effective solution on an airplane than on ships
      1. ZEMCH
        ZEMCH 7 October 2020 16: 44
        +2
        Quote: Fizik M
        they will simply increase the range of application and the composition of strike air groups
        acc. figures for "C" were already "flashed" in the early 2010s
        and will stupidly knock out the Zircon ship carriers from a safe distance with aviation
        therefore, "Zircon" is not a much more effective solution on an airplane than on ships

        I don’t argue about the plane, but the range of the wing is limited by the amount of fuel on the plane and the weight of the load it carries.
        The F-18 has 720 km, if we take the PTB, then the weapons are less.
        The F-35C has 1140 km, the situation is similar to the F-18 /
        The F-35C has another problem))) it consists in the inability to fly at supersonic speeds for a long time, otherwise the aircraft may be damaged and lose invisibility to the enemy (this problem can make it impossible for the US Navy to supersonic interception of enemy aircraft using this modification) - in the case of a prolonged flight at supersonic speed, potential damage can be caused not only to the aircraft body and its skin, but also to the many antennas located in the tail section of the side. The problem was known back in 2019, in December this issue was closed with the note "no plans to fix"
        For surface carriers of the Zircon, the F-35C will have weapons with a range of destruction of 500 km
        By the end of 2023, Raytheon will integrate the latest JSOW-ER aircraft munition into the F-35C platform. The inclusion of the latest bomb in the F-35C arsenal will give the US Navy fundamentally new opportunities: by equipping the bomb with a Hamilton-Sundstrand TJ-150 turbojet engine, it was possible to increase its flight range from about 100-130 kilometers (for the basic version) to 560 kilometers; with the help of JSOW-ER, you can hit well-protected objects without fear of the carrier aircraft entering the air defense affected area.
  • Roman13579
    Roman13579 7 October 2020 10: 51
    -19 qualifying.
    I'm driving in the car today .. I hear about DR Putin ..
    I think - what will they shoot today?
    And I was not mistaken ..))

    Previously, all sorts of missile launches were also timed to congresses / plenums, secretaries' birthdays, etc.
    Nothing changes..))
    1. Kart
      Kart 7 October 2020 11: 10
      12
      In Russia, new missiles are being launched. And that doesn't change, and that's good.
    2. 1976AG
      1976AG 7 October 2020 11: 41
      +4
      Quote: Roman13579
      I'm driving in the car today .. I hear about DR Putin ..
      I think - what will they shoot today?
      And I was not mistaken ..))

      Previously, all sorts of missile launches were also timed to congresses / plenums, secretaries' birthdays, etc.
      Nothing changes..))

      You remembered that Soviet time, but now it seems like the first case. The next test of Zircon was planned for the fall, so I don't understand what was timed here. Was the first test on last year's birthday?
      1. Roman13579
        Roman13579 7 October 2020 11: 48
        -9
        kind of like the first case.


        On October 7, the Russian army launched another strikes on the territory of Syria. True, this time they were made from where few expected.

        Even at the beginning of this week, the Caspian Flotilla could have appeared in the news only in a regular report on Astrakhan television. but, after launching the Caliber missiles from two of her ships, she quickly burst into the minds of unprepared citizens

        Fireworks in honor of the President's birthday - from the seamen of the Caspian Flotilla! 26 starts. 11 goals. 3M14 "Caliber"


        Coincidence..))
        1. g1washntwn
          g1washntwn 7 October 2020 12: 03
          +8
          So the shooting was yesterday - 06.10.2020/XNUMX/XNUMX, and the birthday of the GDP is today. By tradition, giving a gift in advance is a bad omen, so this is nothing more than a symbolic comparison. Would like to "give" - ​​would have delayed the launch. So envy in silence and do not interfere with rejoicing.
          1. Roman13579
            Roman13579 7 October 2020 12: 12
            -9
            Well, good, good .. let it be your way .. I agree ..))
            It's not difficult for me, but it's easier for you with this thought ..
        2. 1976AG
          1976AG 7 October 2020 12: 16
          +2
          And look at the dates of test launches. No coincidence) And look at the date of the FIRST test of Zircon, there are also no coincidences. Something doesn't fit ...
    3. tranquil
      tranquil 7 October 2020 14: 26
      +1
      Quote: Roman13579
      Nothing changes..))

      Google "induction" and "deduction".
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  • _Ugene_
    _Ugene_ 7 October 2020 10: 55
    +9
    in the video, when the main engine turned on, the rocket simply disappeared, there was not even a contrail
  • Alexander X
    Alexander X 7 October 2020 10: 55
    +3
    "How, Petrovich ..." ©. Cartoons, you say?
    It seems that the "partners" no longer shines in terms of "force preservation."
  • faterdom
    faterdom 7 October 2020 10: 55
    +8
    It's nice to give a pot to a friend / no - a balloon / no - a rocket on his birthday! And I am of the same opinion!
    1. stas
      stas 7 October 2020 11: 07
      -5
      Maybe they'll give you a rocket to fly to Mars!
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 7 October 2020 11: 24
        +4
        It will be there in 2028, once the Yenisei will be launched and a space tug with a nuclear power plant will be made.
  • Operator
    Operator 7 October 2020 10: 55
    +9
    450 km in 4,5 minutes: An average speed of 1,7 km / s with a maximum of 2,5 km / s at 28 km is not a bad start.

    Judging by the earlier statement made by Vladimir Putin, the Zircon is not only an anti-ship missile, but also a means of rapid striking at control centers and other ground targets with a flight time of> 10 minutes.
    1. g1washntwn
      g1washntwn 7 October 2020 12: 07
      +6
      Quote: Operator
      but also a means of quickly hitting control centers

      Well, this is who will beg how. The UKSK thing is that you can put it in a container, but you already want it wherever you want,
      The INF Treaty rested in Bose.
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  • Alexey-74
    Alexey-74 7 October 2020 11: 07
    12
    I join in the congratulations! "Zircon" is a very serious argument for our Navy!
  • Operator
    Operator 7 October 2020 11: 12
    -2
    Quote: Livonetc
    A serious race begins in the development of laser weapons

    With what such hangover - hypersonic aircraft fly in a plasma cocoon and they are in FIG at any laser.
    1. Vol4ara
      Vol4ara 7 October 2020 11: 17
      -7
      Quote: Operator
      Quote: Livonetc
      A serious race begins in the development of laser weapons

      With what such hangover - hypersonic aircraft fly in a plasma cocoon and they are in FIG at any laser.

      And that photons do not penetrate through plasma?
      1. Operator
        Operator 7 October 2020 11: 30
        +7
        Plasma screens electromagnetic radiation / photon flux.
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  • Fizik M
    Fizik M 7 October 2020 11: 18
    +1
    However, the most pressing issue of the "new hypersonic weapon" is the homing and correction systems. Very high velocities in the atmosphere form a plasma envelope around the munition. Accordingly, the work of classic homing heads and communication means is impossible. There can be only two solutions here: either to reduce the speed (after which our ammunition becomes simply supersonic with high values ​​of the M number), or in some way to ensure the "output beyond the plasma" of the communication and guidance antennas. This is theoretically and technically possible. However, one must objectively understand that this leads to a serious limitation of the characteristics of communication and guidance channels (in comparison with the capabilities of "classical missiles").
    For effective use, a "new hypersonic weapon" requires very accurate target designation, the requirements for which are much higher than, for example, for conventional anti-ship missiles for operational purposes (for example, the "Granit" complex). Problems with target designation complicate the defeat of moving targets ...
    Despite the fact that for the "Dagger" the possibility of hitting mobile sea targets is declared and moreover, it is technically feasible to carry out tests that will show a real result (simply due to the fact that the parameters of the target's movement will be accurately known in advance), the use of the complex for fire and electronic countering the enemy will turn out to be a non-trivial task.
    Obviously, this is precisely the key difference between the "Dagger" and "Zircon": the latter will have much more advanced "brains" and means of detection. But at the same time, all the physical limitations of hypersound are also valid for him, that is, on the same "Onyx" the capabilities of the same "brains and means of detection" will be much higher for objective physical reasons.
    Target designation problems have solutions, but only in the form of an integrated theater reconnaissance system, and not a "set" of loosely coupled separate systems and complexes, including space-based ones.
    It is also necessary to understand the high cost of the "new hypersonic weapon", respectively, its objectively limited number. Given that the enemy has a large number of targets, a series of hypersonic missiles necessary to destroy them is beyond the financial capabilities of any state on the planet, and the basis of ammunition will inevitably be "conventional missiles", and hypersound is only a means of high-quality amplification - to destroy the most valuable and covered air defense objects ... Shooting hypersound off target (or at false targets), in fact, "golden bullets" - is not the best idea.
    Accordingly, the best carrier of "Zircons" is an airplane. Being in the composition of the strike group, it has its own means of additional reconnaissance and control (being, in fact, a reconnaissance and strike complex), and from one theater of operations to another it can be transferred in the shortest possible time.

    https://www.vpk-news.ru/articles/56044
    1. ZEMCH
      ZEMCH 7 October 2020 11: 24
      +3
      Aiming at the target was decided, this made it possible to accept the Dagger and all the other GZ weapons.
      1. Fizik M
        Fizik M 7 October 2020 11: 35
        -1
        Quote: ZEMCH
        Targeting resolved

        within the "permitted by physics"
        1. Gust
          Gust 7 October 2020 11: 50
          0
          This is the whole question ... It is still possible to organize communication, but the ARLGSN via plasma will not work. Can optics outside the dense layers of the atmosphere in the plasma transparency window ?? And then a high-precision inertial.
      2. Bez 310
        Bez 310 7 October 2020 11: 51
        -10 qualifying.
        Quote: ZEMCH
        Aiming at the target was decided, this made it possible to accept the Dagger and all the other GZ weapons.

        Once I was asked: "Can a Tu-160 hit an aircraft carrier with its missile?"
        I answered like this: "Of course it can, if the aircraft carrier is stationary, and its coordinates
        known in advance. "
        Well, you understand that this is the principle of guidance that is still used in our
        the latest missiles.
        1. Fizik M
          Fizik M 7 October 2020 12: 05
          +5
          Quote: Bez 310
          that this guidance principle is still used in our
          the latest missiles.

          no

          and, by the way, not so long ago, "Antey" actually shot down a hypersonic target (from the category of those that are "declared unbreakable by the TV")
        2. Mountain shooter
          Mountain shooter 7 October 2020 12: 10
          0
          Quote: Bez 310
          Well, you understand that this is the principle of guidance that is still used in our
          the latest missiles.

          The windows of transparency in the plasma cocoon are organized by the rocket itself. There is a possibility. Prompt. In a magnetic field, the plasma becomes anisotropic, and a "window" transparent to the electromagnetic field is organized in it. This is how the head of the seeker will work. By changing this field, the window can be "moved" ... The field is not required, God knows what, but it all works. Moreover, due to the interaction of the magnetic field of the rocket with the plasma cocoon, the rocket can still be steered (MHD effect). Those who are not afraid of scary formulas can google these topics.
          1. Operator
            Operator 7 October 2020 13: 08
            -2
            Exactly so - we and the Germans in the 2000s worked out this method of creating a radio-transparent area in a plasma cocoon on experimental descent vehicles, although then it was only about radio communication, but after all, about 15 years have passed since then, so everything can to be.
  • seregin-s1
    seregin-s1 7 October 2020 11: 23
    +5
    Gorgeous! She just disappeared!
    1. maktub
      maktub 7 October 2020 11: 43
      -5
      It was said that "on new physical principles" - teleported
      1. g1washntwn
        g1washntwn 7 October 2020 12: 13
        +1
        Quote: maktub
        It was said that "on new physical principles" - teleported

        good The teleport works by ignoring the curvature of the Earth and countermeasures. It remains to bring the distance of teleporting thousands to 13 km and you can launch it through the mantle to anywhere in the world. wink
        1. maktub
          maktub 7 October 2020 12: 49
          -3
          To hit, so to speak, even specially protected objects from the ground. The main thing is to accurately calculate the coordinates and take into account the rotation of the earth wassat
          1. g1washntwn
            g1washntwn 7 October 2020 13: 01
            +2
            And you can also quickly deliver pizza with a teleporter ... immediately To the client lol
            1. maktub
              maktub 7 October 2020 13: 36
              -1
              Specify, straight into the client's stomach laughing
  • Whirlwind
    Whirlwind 7 October 2020 11: 31
    +9
    Dear, today is October 7th, the birthday of the Leader of the NOD, President of Russia and Commander-in-Chief of the RF Armed Forces Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin!
    I wish him health and new successes in the hard and stubborn struggle for the sovereignty and freedom of the Fatherland!
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHfFdJgNMAo
  • awesom3-lutsevich
    awesom3-lutsevich 7 October 2020 11: 31
    -8
    Previously, they reported about victories and victories to the Party Congress, now to the President's Day
  • evgen1221
    evgen1221 7 October 2020 11: 47
    +4
    It remains to put on wheels and such a sickly coastal complex will be.
    1. Fizik M
      Fizik M 7 October 2020 12: 07
      +4
      Quote: evgen1221
      It remains to put on wheels and such a sickly coastal complex will be.

      already
  • Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 7 October 2020 11: 54
    +4
    100 km / min on average !!! Yes, for a sea target! Wow. Cartoons? Of course ... And if not really? tongue
  • Diviz
    Diviz 7 October 2020 11: 56
    +2
    And where is the sound. From the fiery cloud it was clear that the engine was not sickly turned on.
  • alexmach
    alexmach 7 October 2020 11: 59
    +2
    The maximum flight altitude of the rocket was 28 km

    That's the end of all talk about hypersound above the sea surface ...
    1. Fizik M
      Fizik M 7 October 2020 12: 08
      0
      I strongly suspect that there will also be Bulava shooting from the Pacific Fleet towards Sochi ...
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 7 October 2020 12: 26
      -1
      In this regard, everything is still ahead.
  • certero
    certero 7 October 2020 12: 00
    +4
    Quote: Lipchanin
    They walk the seas

    Perhaps that is why the sea captain is called. And I haven’t met long-distance captains.
    to be honest with their teachings, they are tired of sculpting the word extreme wherever they go, now they teach how to write in Russian.
    1. Bad_gr
      Bad_gr 7 October 2020 19: 55
      0
      Quote: certero
      captain

      "- ... Captain !!! The anchor has surfaced! ...
      - Not good, bad omen. "
  • aszzz888
    aszzz888 7 October 2020 12: 03
    +2
    As wanted in the RF Armed Forces, it happened, my dear flew !!! drinks And how she flew - sniffed and sank into the sky! good
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  • Bez 310
    Bez 310 7 October 2020 12: 35
    -5
    The rocket flew over 400 km and hit the target - that's great.
    How were the control units issued, and can the rocket work on a mobile
    the goals are unknown.
    1. Fizik M
      Fizik M 7 October 2020 12: 39
      0
      Quote: Bez 310
      The rocket flew over 400 km and hit the target - that's great.
      How were the control units issued, and can the rocket work on a mobile
      the goals are unknown.

      and most importantly - this rocket is the most optimal ON A PLANE
      The need to combat aircraft carrier groupings before the enemy reached the line of attack led to the creation of naval missile-carrying aviation (MRA) in the Navy and the formulation of the task of fighting enemy ship groupings of the Long-Range Aviation (DA) of the Air Force. With the adoption of the Tu-22, Tu-16K-26, Tu-22M aircraft with the X-22, KSR-5 anti-ship missiles, the Navy and the USSR Armed Forces received a powerful strike force in the sea and ocean theaters. The MRA actually became the main striking force of the Navy during operations in the ocean theaters.
      Despite the large number of naval personnel, the total salvo of the MRA and DA was approximately 2 times higher than the total salvo of the ship's composition in the operational anti-ship missiles (OPR ON). At the end of the 80s of the last century (the peak of the power of the Navy), these figures were approximately 1300 anti-ship missiles ON from aircraft carriers and 600 anti-ship missiles ON from ship carriers (surface ships and submarines).

      The MRA was especially dangerous for the shipping of NATO countries during a breakthrough into the ocean. A large number of targets, the impossibility of their adequate cover (at least at the level of aircraft carrier groups and formations), the possibility of delivering repeated strikes - it was this component of the Navy's combat potential (not submarines) that posed the greatest threat to the ocean communications of the western bloc.
      Placing 2/3 of the strike potential of the Navy on carriers with excellent operational maneuverability made it possible to massage the striking power in the main direction "while providing refueling in the air - the transfer from the north to the Pacific Fleet of the MRA division (40-60 Tu-22M) along the northern route took 42-45 hours, "preference has always been given to maneuver with a suspended weapon." ("Marine collection").
      A comparison involuntarily comes to mind with the transition to Tsushima of Rozhdestvensky's squadron.

      http://www.airforce.ru/history/naval/index.htm
      1. Bez 310
        Bez 310 7 October 2020 12: 49
        -7
        Quote: Fizik M
        this rocket is the most optimal ON A PLANE

        Many questions about the rocket itself ...
        The main enemy of the MPA is our admirals.
        1. Fizik M
          Fizik M 7 October 2020 12: 49
          -2
          Quote: Bez 310
          The main enemy of the MPA is our admirals.

          Alas ...
        2. ZEMCH
          ZEMCH 7 October 2020 16: 51
          +1
          Quote: Bez 310
          The main enemy of the MPA is our admirals.

          You are right, they did not know how to "cook" it ever)))
      2. Piramidon
        Piramidon 7 October 2020 16: 26
        -1
        Quote: Fizik M
        and most importantly - this rocket is the most optimal ON A PLANE

        There are already "Daggers".
  • Kushka
    Kushka 7 October 2020 12: 49
    +4