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Wasserman talks about Russia's overcoming centuries-old information blockade

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Wasserman talks about Russia's overcoming centuries-old information blockade

In fact, since the Middle Ages, what we call the collective West today has tried to oppose Russia in various ways, including informational ones. Often, such pictures of Russia, Russia, which, by and large, have survived to this day, were presented to the inhabitant from Europe. Disinformation and political pressure indicated that there could be no friendship with Russia, by definition, Europe's interests from Russia were only resources or the ability to temporarily sign allied commitments against a single enemy.


Before the arrival of Russian troops in Paris in the war with Napoleon, Parisians were painted portraits of "terrible Russians" who "carry barbarism into enlightened Europe." A similar approach was demonstrated by the propagandists of Goebbels in 1945. Until now, Goebbels' myths are widespread in the works of European "historians" and Russian liberals.

It should be noted that during the Soviet era, the “iron curtain” on our part prevented us from adequately perceiving events and people in the West.

The famous intellectual and TV presenter Anatoly Wasserman discusses how they overcame the information blockade in which the country (under different names and under different rulers) was in fact for five centuries.

Wasserman shares his thoughts with Dionysus Kaptar, the host of the Den channel and the audience:

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  1. Alien From
    Alien From 7 October 2020 18: 22
    +1
    Sometimes you can listen to Wasserman. Clever thoughts slip by.
    1. Terenin
      Terenin 7 October 2020 18: 52
      +4
      Quote: Alien From
      Sometimes you can listen to Wasserman. Clever thoughts slip by.

      Not bad about military events for an economic analyst.
    2. Turist1996
      Turist1996 7 October 2020 20: 40
      +9
      "Onotole", as his name is in certain circles, is an erudite not because he was declared so, but because he really is .. I listened to a couple of his audiobooks - a person expresses the most interesting thoughts. And clearly more interesting than the thoughts of Count, Chubais and Medvedev. Moreover, all his thoughts are adequate to the realities of life. It is quite possible that somewhere is debatable, but what is adequate is unambiguous!
      1. Nuclear basin
        Nuclear basin 7 October 2020 23: 19
        +2
        “And it is clearly more interesting than the thoughts of Count, Chubais and Medvedev.” - well, you have compared: to hell with a tram handle.
  2. nnm
    nnm 7 October 2020 18: 24
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    Poland started an informational, ordered war against Russia back in the days of Ivan the Terrible (by the way, stories about the tails and general atrocities of the oprichnina from those sources, as well as about the murder of their son) Now, on the one hand, RT ratings abroad are off the charts, ahead of even the Air Force. which indicates the need for foreign audiences for an alternative point of view. With another:
    - the official circles of the West absolutely do not care about what Russia says, what documents it puts out, etc. All Hiley Likely rejected without consideration
    - we do not conduct adequate and correct propaganda inside the country
    - we finance dumpsters like Echo for state funds
    - we do not understand that it is high time to use Internet sites, that it is necessary to create our own resources. For almost all social networks will simply be cut by internal rules
    Etc...
    1. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin 7 October 2020 18: 47
      +4
      Quote: nnm
      - we finance dumpsters like Echo for state funds

      Rain is not better
      1. nnm
        nnm 7 October 2020 18: 49
        +2
        But at least it is not financed by the state. The rain could not withstand the broadcasting market and now only got busy with subscription work.
        1. Lipchanin
          Lipchanin 7 October 2020 18: 50
          0
          I did not know that request
          I only know that this is a decent trash heap
          1. Simargl
            Simargl 9 October 2020 16: 21
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            Quote: Lipchanin
            I only know that this is a decent trash heap
            Not exactly a dump. You can listen to it in order to show people how the necessary phrases are screwed into the text (Russophobic, for example). Matzo's ear is hard trash.
            If in the rain the necessary thought is brought smoothly, then in the Ukhe slop is continuously poured.
    2. ZEMCH
      ZEMCH 9 October 2020 09: 17
      +2
      Quote: nnm
      during the time of Ivan the Terrible

      The West called him formidable. and not in Russia. Alexander Dumas wrote literally the following: “Ivan the Terrible for his cruelty began to be called“ Vasilich. ”During his lifetime, Ivan IV was called“ Pious ”and“ Wise. ”The name Terrible appeared precisely in the Time of Troubles. Like the myth that he killed his son During the analysis of the remains, in our time, the son found traces of poisoning. And we know about the murder of his son by Ivan IV from Repin's painting)))
      This is how fiction becomes history)))
  3. Reviews
    Reviews 7 October 2020 18: 29
    -19 qualifying.
    Where is it going? "on guard of Russia's interests" is worse than Goebbels.
    1. Clear
      Clear 7 October 2020 21: 17
      +5
      Quote: Avis
      Where is it going? "on guard of Russia's interests" is worse than Goebbels.

      Well, since you criticize, then name an interesting, in your opinion, intellectual-politician. Let's talk about his (their) visions and presentation styles.
  4. Gardamir
    Gardamir 7 October 2020 19: 28
    +7
    It should be noted that during the Soviet era, the “iron curtain” on our part prevented us from adequately perceiving events and people in the West.
    Actually, it was the West who built the "Iron Curtain". Let's remember Operation Unthinkable. Less than two months after the Victory. And Churchill's Fulton speech is essentially a declaration of the Cold War. No, if you are a supporter of Gorbachev-Yeltsin, then you can continue to spit on the Soviet Union. But he who thinks understands.
    The famous intellectual and TV presenter Anatoly Wasserman discusses how they overcame the information blockade in which the country (under different names and under different rulers) was in fact for five centuries.
    From this paragraph, it can be assumed that thanks to the "genius" of all times, the information blockade was broken ...
    1. The eye of the crying
      The eye of the crying 7 October 2020 22: 42
      -4
      Quote: Gardamir
      Let's remember Operation Unthinkable.


      The one that didn't exist?
      1. Simargl
        Simargl 9 October 2020 16: 29
        0
        Quote: Eye of the Crying
        The one that didn't exist?
        Was the project?
        The fact that it is not running is another matter.
        1. The eye of the crying
          The eye of the crying 9 October 2020 16: 33
          0
          Quote: Simargl
          The fact that it is not running is another matter.


          This is the only thing that matters. If the Soviet archives are ever declassified, they will also contain a lot of interesting things.
  5. Virus-free crown
    Virus-free crown 7 October 2020 19: 45
    0
    Before the arrival of Russian troops in Paris in the war with Napoleon, Parisians were painted portraits of "terrible Russians" who "carry barbarism into enlightened Europe." A similar approach was demonstrated by the propagandists of Goebbels in 1945. Until now, Goebbels' myths are widespread in the works of European "historians" and Russian liberals. from the article

    everything is more complicated here wassat and easier at the same time)))

    I will give the simplest case ... the beginning of the 2000s, our company worked with a German company, by the nature of my work I communicated with one German, 30 years old, educated, sociable dude, speaks Russian better than me good when we drank together - we could not come to a consensus on the Second World War repeat

    Me: - How in general could Germany attack the USSR, even if it THEORETICALLY lacked the people in the army to put a battalion of SS men in each seedy village to fight the partisans ?!
    He: - Well, since we would have defeated you, what kind of nafik partisans ?!
    Me: - Who said that the Russians are surrendering ?!
    He: - Well, there are "civilized methods of war" - the capital fell - the country surrendered
    Me: - and Napoleon in 1812 ?! Didn't his story teach you anything ?!
    He: - so Napoleon is a barbarian !!! laughing like what to take from him laughing

    in general, after almost 2 years of drunkenness almost once a week on Fridays, he still did not understand that Russia is not a gayrope bully
    1. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 7 October 2020 20: 00
      +4
      Quote: Corona without virus
      Me: - and Napoleon in 1812 ?! Didn't his story teach you anything ?!

      Yes, you are both comedians-bukhariki. Under Napoleon, Moscow was not the capital.
      1. Virus-free crown
        Virus-free crown 7 October 2020 20: 09
        0
        Quote: mordvin xnumx
        Quote: Corona without virus
        Me: - and Napoleon in 1812 ?! Didn't his story teach you anything ?!

        Yes, you are both comedians-bukhariki. Under Napoleon, Moscow was not the capital.

        As for the "bukhariks" - I agree !!! drinks
        about "comedians" - no am
        we then (he is an authorized representative of a German company, I am an authorized representative of a Russian company - on the rights of literally "dictators") - negotiated the entry of their company into the authorized capital of our company - and there were figures in dozens of Euros hi

        Py. Sy. And what about why Napoleon decided to go to Moscow, and not Peter - then the tse question is not to me))) "my" German was SURE that under Napoleon the capital of the Russian Empire was Moscow laughing lol
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 7 October 2020 20: 12
          0
          Quote: Corona without virus
          and there were figures in dozens of euro muleins

          It's a pity I wasn't there. I would be the third. drinks I would share the muliennes. wassat
          1. Virus-free crown
            Virus-free crown 7 October 2020 20: 28
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            Quote: mordvin xnumx
            Quote: Corona without virus
            and there were figures in dozens of euro muleins

            It's a pity I wasn't there. I would be the third. drinks I would share the muliennes. wassat

            It's a pity... crying The third would not be superfluous !!! laughing And then, despite the fact that he really looked like "A true Aryan. The character is Nordic, self-possessed. He maintains good relations with workmates. Impeccably fulfills his official duty." ... .. in comparison with him, I was a "teetotaler and ulcer" ... bully

            True ... and this character "ended his life" sadly ... you can't wish the enemy ... he contrived in Moscow !!! will fall in love with the hereditary Don Cossack woman, she "caught" him and now he lives there in Germany in a "family concentration camp" laughing laughing laughing
        2. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 7 October 2020 20: 33
          0
          Quote: Corona without virus
          Py. Sy. And what about why Napoleon decided to go to Moscow, and not St. Petersburg - then the tsE question is not for me)))

          Napoleon allocated troops to capture St. Petersburg. Only here's the trouble, they defeated them along the way.
          1. Virus-free crown
            Virus-free crown 7 October 2020 20: 46
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            Quote: mordvin xnumx
            Quote: Corona without virus
            Py. Sy. And what about why Napoleon decided to go to Moscow, and not St. Petersburg - then the tsE question is not for me)))

            Napoleon allocated troops to capture St. Petersburg. Only here's the trouble, they defeated them along the way.

            Without going into details, in your answer: "Napoleon allocated troops to capture Petersburg "there is also an answer to your question !!! tongue Just feel the difference between the phrases:
            - direction of the main blow soldier
            - allocate troops for the capture of Petersburg wassat

            repeat
            1. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 7 October 2020 20: 53
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              Quote: Corona without virus
              main strike direction
              - allocate troops for the capture of Petersburg

              It is not Napoleon's fault that Marshals MacDonald and Oudinot screwed up. They seem to be good and famous, but some kind of Wingeystein broke them. Yes, and Saint-Cyr to boot.
              1. Virus-free crown
                Virus-free crown 7 October 2020 20: 59
                +1
                Quote: mordvin xnumx
                Quote: Corona without virus
                main strike direction
                - allocate troops for the capture of Petersburg

                It is not Napoleon's fault that Marshals MacDonald and Oudinot screwed up. They seem to be good and famous, but some kind of Wingeystein broke them. Yes, and Saint-Cyr to boot.

                Well yeah, yeah yeah ... repeat "Boyars are bad - but the Tsar is good" bully

                Okay, let's not argue drinks Napoleon was already wrong when he decided to attack Russia! good This is the reason for his defeat ... the rest are consequences! hi
        3. ZEMCH
          ZEMCH 9 October 2020 09: 24
          +2
          Quote: Corona without virus
          why Napoleon decided to go to Moscow, and not Peter - then ce vApros is not for me)))

          The level of historical knowledge, both in Russia and in Europe, depends on the teaching of History. The Americans are sure that they won the WWII, while the USSR did not help much. In Europe, they don’t fancy the capital of Russia. After a while Ukrainians will consider that it was They who dug the Black Sea)))
          1. Virus-free crown
            Virus-free crown 9 October 2020 15: 16
            +1
            Quote: ZEMCH
            Quote: Corona without virus
            why Napoleon decided to go to Moscow, and not Peter - then ce vApros is not for me)))

            The level of historical knowledge, both in Russia and in Europe, depends on the teaching of History. The Americans are sure that they won the WWII, while the USSR did not help much. In Europe, they don’t fancy the capital of Russia. After a while Ukrainians will consider that it was They who dug the Black Sea)))

            That's for sure!!! good Modern young people do not even know that from 1949 to 1990 Bonn was the capital of the Federal Republic of Germany. laughing
        4. Simargl
          Simargl 9 October 2020 16: 31
          0
          Quote: Corona without virus
          why Napoleon decided to go to Moscow, and not Peter - then ce vApros is not for me)))
          Well, he's a barbarian.
          1. Virus-free crown
            Virus-free crown 9 October 2020 16: 36
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            Quote: Simargl
            Quote: Corona without virus
            why Napoleon decided to go to Moscow, and not Peter - then ce vApros is not for me)))
            Well, he's a barbarian.

            laughing laughing laughing

            Although ... I understand Napoleon to some extent ... it is one thing to lead the troops to Moscow ... and another thing is to lead the troops to Peter ... even now, in the enlightened 21st century, if you dig the Moscow highway right now -Peter - no blitz-krieg will work ... there are no roads between Moscow and St. Petersburg except Leningradka even today laughing lol
  6. 7,62h54
    7,62h54 7 October 2020 20: 15
    -3
    Truly goose people think about Russia.
    1. andreykolesov123
      andreykolesov123 8 October 2020 00: 19
      0
      Quote: 7,62x54
      Truly goose people think about Russia.

      but they are waiting for them.
  7. Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 7 October 2020 20: 19
    0
    Wasserman talks about Russia's overcoming centuries-old information blockade
    Quote: Alien From
    Sometimes you can listen to Wasserman. Clever thoughts slip by.

    And I prefer not to listen to people who have not reached the status of a real man, who is obliged to “build a house, plant a tree and raise a son,” no matter what mental abilities and analytical thinking he possesses. Wasserman for me is not a source of knowledge or a generator of ideas, but a biological computer that prefers publicity and some ambition.
    Do any of you live according to Wasserman? belay On that we will finish ...
  8. maktub
    maktub 7 October 2020 20: 41
    -1
    I'd better give you a hot news. Kuleba said that the British remain in the Nikolaev region after the exercises, on an ongoing basis, TGC
    1. maktub
      maktub 7 October 2020 20: 56
      -1
      A bit wrong, Ukraine will not mind the deployment of a British Armed Forces base on its territory.
      And today in London an agreement was signed "On the expansion of military-technical cooperation"
    2. Egoza
      Egoza 7 October 2020 20: 56
      -1
      Quote: maktub
      Kuleba said that the British remain in the Nikolaev region after the exercises, on an ongoing basis, TGC

      Poor Englishmen! Then memoirs will be able to write about the "European Ukraine", if they survive, of course.
      1. maktub
        maktub 7 October 2020 21: 01
        -1
        They will survive, resort conditions, the sea is nearby, food is cheaper than on the Island, the winter is warm, the girls are hot, what a soldier still needs
        1. Egoza
          Egoza 7 October 2020 21: 29
          0
          well, just the same!
          Resort conditions - no hot water and unknown
          the sea is near - dirty
          products are cheaper than on the Island - overdue and assortment .....
          warm winter - how lucky. Summer was hot, so winter is frosty
          girls are hot - if only they are not sick
          1. maktub
            maktub 7 October 2020 21: 30
            0
            Do not envy laughing
            1. 41st region
              41st region 7 October 2020 23: 51
              0
              Here it is, the quiet happiness of a real statesman.
              Agreed! The British agreed to place their soldiers!
              So it is, in your house clearly "not all houses". Soldiers are lacking to a normal set: German, French, Spanish, Italian. And of course Poles, Hungarians, Romanians ... There is something to strive for.
              1. maktub
                maktub 8 October 2020 08: 04
                -1
                There will still be roofing felts, we are internationalists laughing
            2. Egoza
              Egoza 8 October 2020 13: 25
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              Quote: maktub
              Do not envy

              Far from it! Just stating the facts.
      2. val43
        val43 8 October 2020 09: 58
        +1
        Len, have you been to Ukraine?
    3. ZEMCH
      ZEMCH 9 October 2020 09: 27
      +1
      Quote: maktub
      I'd better give you a hot news. Kuleba said that the British remain in the Nikolaev region after the exercises, on an ongoing basis, TGC

      And there, what has already changed their constitution? As far as I remember, the Ukrainian constitution explicitly states that foreign bases are not allowed. Moreover, it was recorded in 2014 by maydanut deputies
      1. maktub
        maktub 9 October 2020 11: 04
        -1
        I beg you, if the aspiration to the EU and NATO has been included in the cap of the Construction, that it is worth correcting the corresponding article
  9. Vlad_S
    Vlad_S 7 October 2020 21: 39
    -1
    We are under pressure because they are afraid and see competitors, from this they invent all sorts of provocations that are broken by any thinking person about the facts: from the alleged poisoning of the Skripals (which the British themselves poisoned) and the substitution of urine by FSB officers (which was done by the traitor Rodchenkov) to the downed Boeing by non-brothers, which our partners have attributed to us; and the alleged poisoning of Navalny (who fell into a diabetic coma while taking moonshine), who was allegedly added poison to the analyzes in Germany. Any thinking person, first of all, should think about who benefits from it and everything will immediately become clear - our western partners are trying to blacken us and protect their financial interests on the sly.
    All these dastardly insinuations are given by our Ministry of Foreign Affairs and the mass media, and with the development of the Internet, all this is read by Western workers, they impellingly believe their false anti-Russian propaganda, which in turn will bring us a positive effect in the long term, we just need to endure these raids and do not give in to provocations.
  10. Vladimir B.
    Vladimir B. 7 October 2020 21: 54
    +7
    Disinformation and political pressure indicated that there could be no friendship with Russia, by definition, Europe's interests from Russia were only resources or the ability to temporarily sign allied commitments against a single enemy.

    Has something changed now? No. Even in spite of the fact that in our country, as well as in the West, bourgeois-monopoly (oligarchic, financial) forces are in power, we can say "brothers capitalists", the policy of the West towards Russia has not changed.
  11. Klaus
    Klaus 7 October 2020 23: 51
    -1
    Dear ardent patriots. At Onotole Wasserman on Saturday Shabbat. The discussion is closed.
  12. Zementbomber
    Zementbomber 8 October 2020 03: 05
    0
    Well, ShtAZh ... When about the "breakthrough" by Russia of the "information" and other "blockade" - can only speak Vasermans, etc. "Individual and Collective Moishes" - together with S. Gershko-Rudolfovich - I understand: the most, which seemed then fantastic, forecasts of ukropolitologists and ukropolitsociologists (former teachers of TiPS, former teachers of NK) of 1991-92. about the imminent and inevitable collapse of Russia even within the borders of the Russian Federation - they are really and close (sorr for tavt) to execution ... bully
  13. nikvic46
    nikvic46 8 October 2020 07: 08
    +2
    There are no questions about knowledge in history to Wasserman. It is easy to understand and everything is correct. There are a lot of questions about the information war. We have not yet reached the period when all enterprises will become domestic. An information war starts from our computer, from the doorstep of the school. And I must say in many respects it is more effective than military power. The guys here are literate, they will understand what I wanted to say.
  14. yehat2
    yehat2 8 October 2020 13: 38
    0
    Wasserman is a literate and very knowledgeable man, but sometimes he says what he paid for,
    not what he wants.
  15. tolancop
    tolancop 8 October 2020 14: 20
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    "... It should be noted that during the Soviet era, the" iron curtain "on our part prevented us from adequately perceiving events and people in the West .."
    1. And who was hindered by the "Iron Curtain". I personally did not interfere. At one time I listened to the voices of the enemy (mainly "GA"), which did not make me a dissident and I did not love my homeland less. But listening to the view from the "other side" was very useful for an adequate assessment of world events. And hostile voices often covered world events, which the Soviet media reported either in passing or in no way. And it also happened that the foreign media reported on events in the USSR much more promptly than the Soviet media. I remember very well the case of the death of Konstantin Simonov ("The Living and the Dead", etc.). On the day of his death, "GA" started a half-hour program about K. Simonov (I was very surprised that "Konstantin" was actually a pseudonym, and his real name was Kirill). The obituary appeared in the Soviet media only after 2 (TWO !!!) days. Incl. It was necessary to learn from the efficiency of the presentation of events from the foreign media. Incl. even in those times, if desired, information could be obtained. Get, comprehend, analyze and draw the RIGHT conclusions. But for this, however, you need brains and desire. And a healthy sense of patriotism (sorry for the "high calm").
    2. With the passage of time it became clear that the overwhelming majority of the newspaper "Pravda" wrote the TRUTH about the foreign country.
    3. IN THESE days in the SOVIET school I was taught to THINK. And they taught well. I don’t know, maybe I was just lucky with the school and teachers, but as it is and what it was, it was. Alas, to all appearances NOW there are no problems with educating a thinking person in schools ... It is profitable for capitalist exploiters to have a thoughtless individual. It is profitable, but until the head of this thoughtless individual someone from the outside (from behind the hill) does not put ideas (thoughts) that go against the interests of the same exploiters-capitalists of the domestic flood. What we observe ...
    I still amuse myself with the hope that understanding of this problem will finally come to a certain group of citizens. For example, the understanding that in order to be reckoned with you need to have a POWER (a prepared and capable army) has come.
    That's it ....