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Finland argues about possible threat to woodworking business in connection with Putin's decision

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For the needs of the woodworking industry in Finland, about nine million cubic meters of timber is exported from Russia annually - official statistics. Therefore, the ban on the export of Russian unprocessed timber announced by the Russian president from 2022 worried the inhabitants of this northern country. Finnish experts noted that without wood from the Russian Federation, the country's woodworking industry may, if not completely stand up, then lose up to half of its profits.


But according to the Finnish edition of Etelä-Saimaa, expressed in an editorial, there is nothing to fear.

If you look closely, this ban will not have too much impact on the woodworking industry in Finland, whose enterprises are located mainly in the southeast of the country, argue with those experts who saw the threat in the Finnish press. Juha Palokangas, an expert on cooperation with Russia in the timber industry, told Helsingin Sanomat that coniferous round timber, which has been banned, accounts for "only" 15 percent of Finnish timber imports.

The main part of the raw materials for the woodworking industry in Finland is about 60 million cubic meters of domestic timber. True, there is a shortage of birch in the country, of which very little grows here, but the ban does not apply to birch forest. It will be possible to buy wood chips in Russia without restrictions, which are actively used by Finnish woodworkers.

Finnish journalists believe that the export restrictions in Russia, proposed by Putin, are due to two reasons. On the one hand, this measure, in their opinion, will restrict smuggling. Another reason is the desire of the Russian authorities to force the Russian timber industry to be more actively engaged in the processing of raw materials, and not to drive them unprocessed abroad.

It is important to note that the aforementioned publication took into account only the timber that is officially supplied from Russia. The "black market" can be at least twice as large, and therefore in Finland they are expressing concerns about that, if the export of wood from the Russian Federation is completely closed. This will lead to significant difficulties for the Finnish woodworking business, which, by the way, supplies the results of its activities in the form of processed wood and products from it to our country - at completely different prices.
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  1. comradChe
    comradChe 7 October 2020 11: 20
    +1
    Let them be afraid just as we believe in these speeches.
    1. Thrall
      Thrall 7 October 2020 12: 16
      14
      Russian forests:

      Almost only pine grows in Karelia. Let the Finns look for birch elsewhere. Can be restored from birch sap, for example smile
      1. Temples
        Temples 7 October 2020 12: 22
        +1
        What Finns, you have to cut your forest.

        Or announce sanctions to Putin. laughing
        1. Svarog
          Svarog 7 October 2020 12: 57
          23
          Quote: Temples
          What Finns, you have to cut your forest.

          I would wait for the implementation of Putin's decision .. All this has already passed. For some reason, positive initiatives don't work ..
          1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
            Boris ⁣ Shaver 7 October 2020 13: 26
            +7
            Quote: Svarog
            I would wait for the implementation of Putin's decision .. All this has already passed. For some reason, positive initiatives don't work ..

            Perhaps they will create a monopolist for this business. There were similar movements in wheat. First, talk about a ban, then about allowing only "who needs it." As a result, it may turn out that the producers are nothing, and the monopolist-exporter is everything. Idea of ​​ideas.
            1. Svarog
              Svarog 7 October 2020 13: 37
              +1
              Quote: Boris ⁣ Shaver
              Quote: Svarog
              I would wait for the implementation of Putin's decision .. All this has already passed. For some reason, positive initiatives don't work ..

              Perhaps they will create a monopolist for this business. There were similar movements in wheat. First, talk about a ban, then about allowing only "who needs it." As a result, it may turn out that the producers are nothing, and the monopolist-exporter is everything. Idea of ​​ideas.

              It is quite possible that Putin has many friends, and now his friends' children and grandchildren are growing up ..
            2. hydrox
              hydrox 7 October 2020 19: 44
              0
              Here you can recall the past 10-20 years ago :: Ilim-Pulp, the largest processor of Siberian timber, to whom did it belong?
              That's right, Mr. Vedmedic.
              So why would someone be able to offend him with the forest? yes lol laughing
          2. Redfox3k
            Redfox3k 8 October 2020 12: 48
            +1
            Until new "camps" are built, the initiatives will not work. For there is nowhere to plant. Our country is like this: without camps, well, in any way, people do not understand in an amicable way.
        2. APASUS
          APASUS 7 October 2020 13: 23
          13
          Quote: Temples
          What Finns, you have to cut your forest.

          They're chopping down their forest, don't worry. Only with them there it is impossible to cut down a couple of thousand hectares under the guise of sanitary felling, you will immediately sit down
          1. Alex777
            Alex777 7 October 2020 17: 13
            +3
            As far as I heard, the Finns take 75% of the forest from us.
            They even once promised not to join NATO for this.
            https://ria.ru/20200930/drevesina-1578013881.html
            1. APASUS
              APASUS 7 October 2020 20: 25
              0
              Quote: Alex777
              As far as I heard, the Finns take 75% of the forest from us.
              They even once promised not to join NATO for this.
              https://ria.ru/20200930/drevesina-1578013881.html

              Nothing will change, the Finns will simply put crushers along the border and carry wood chips, and this is a value-added product.
              1. mikh-korsakov
                mikh-korsakov 9 October 2020 10: 37
                0
                And what about value-added chips? And who will allow them to do this!
                1. APASUS
                  APASUS 9 October 2020 11: 26
                  0
                  Quote: mikh-korsakov
                  And what about value-added chips?

                  Chips are also raw materials for the woodworking industry, veneer can be used.
                  Quote: mikh-korsakov
                  And who will allow them to do this!

                  This is what our leaders are trying to achieve, so that they export products, not round timber. Chips, veneer, these are just products with added value
      2. Train
        Train 7 October 2020 20: 10
        +1
        Strange. We count taxation inspections according to the formula E + C + B + O. Today I personally saw a birch, an aspen, a Christmas tree and a pine tree. Do not write a roundabout. All the Finns have to do is to rebuild additional facilities for processing wood on the spot. will give us a bunch of new jobs.
  2. Doccor18
    Doccor18 7 October 2020 11: 23
    29
    And what not to introduce a ban from 2021?
    Now they will cut and cut everything they can and will have time for more than a year ...
    Poor forest.
    1. Snail N9
      Snail N9 7 October 2020 11: 44
      18
      The Lopari are cunning - they receive prizes and awards from UNESCO and other organizations, as a "green country", with the most "forest-saving programs", and at the same time, in all, profits from the forest cut down in Russia (they don't cut their own taboo). Let the "harsh" Finnish guys and ladies run around now, otherwise their diplomat recently said that third world countries, including Russia, would receive permission to enter proud Finland at the very last place, while, when asked, he confirmed- " Yes, Russia is a third world country, namely the third world, and its citizens will be the last to receive permission to enter. "
      1. Hagen
        Hagen 7 October 2020 11: 58
        +2
        Quote: Snail N9
        (do not saw their own taboo)

        According to various sources, the Finns cover up to 60% of the needs of their sawmills with their forests. By 2024, they want to increase the volume of annual harvesting to 80 million cubic meters. So the introduction of a ban on the import of round timber from the Russian Federation annoys them, but not fatally.
        1. Nasrat
          Nasrat 7 October 2020 12: 03
          +3
          Quote: Hagen
          Quote: Snail N9
          (do not saw their own taboo)

          .... By 2024 they want to increase the volume of annual procurements up to 80 million cubic meters. So the introduction of a ban on the import of round timber from the Russian Federation annoys them, but not fatally.

          For statistics, how much Russia exported round timber: 10 years ago they took the first step - they significantly increased the duties on escort of round timber. This made it possible to reduce exports from 50 million to 15 million cubic meters per year (for comparison, the USSR had 20 million cubic meters).
          Also for statistics:
          Over the past three years, Russia has reduced its share of the Chinese log market from 36% to 18%, while New Zealand is expanding its presence. The share of this country in China's sawlog imports in the last quarter of 2018 was 44% (Russia's share in the Chinese market is only 18%.)
          More statistics:
          The share in Russian exports of unprocessed timber is only 10%. 90% is processed wood or wood products.
          1. Temples
            Temples 7 October 2020 12: 23
            0
            Quote: Doccor18
            And what not to introduce a ban from 2021?

            There are work contracts.
            You can not do it this way.
            Haste won't help here.
            The main thing is then not to include the back.
            1. Nasrat
              Nasrat 7 October 2020 12: 32
              0
              Quote: Temples
              Quote: Doccor18
              And what not to introduce a ban from 2021?

              There are work contracts.
              You can not do it this way.
              Haste won't help here.
              The main thing is then not to include the back.

              The back will no longer include ... the export of the Russian Federation of unprocessed wood is only 10%, processed 90% ...
              As the increased duties on unprocessed timber were established 10 years ago, its exports began to decrease (yes, the unaccounted for, but (!) The largest figures for unaccounted for 1 million cubic meters ..) At the same time, the export of processed timber began to grow!






              The commodity structure of exports looked like this: wood raw materials - $ 1,24 billion, wood fuel - 0,31 billion, lumber - 4,63 billion, wood-based panels and plywood - 2,03 billion, wood products - 0,4 billion, cellulose and wood mass - 1,07 billion, paper and cardboard - 2,04 billion, paper and cardboard products - 0,45 billion, other products and recyclable materials - 0,12 billion dollars.
              1. Lynx2000
                Lynx2000 7 October 2020 13: 24
                +2
                I am interested in the lumber export product range, what exactly? Maybe a gun carriage?
                It is more interesting for the Chinese to buy round timber, because it is cheaper, they recycle without waste, unlike our small sawmills with dumps of sawdust from larch and wane ...
                1. Rzzz
                  Rzzz 7 October 2020 17: 45
                  0
                  Quote: Lynx2000
                  unlike our small sawmills with sawdust heaps

                  We now have a pellet press at every normal sawmill, so it is also waste-free.
                  1. Lynx2000
                    Lynx2000 7 October 2020 21: 35
                    +2
                    Not quite so ... A normal sawmill is a large industrial enterprise, where is a modern saw line, drying shop, and skidders and harvesters?
                    How many small sawmills are there? Not all have imposed sales, it is not always profitable to take waste to where the pellets / briquettes are produced.
                    In a forest area, pellets are not in demand ...
            2. Interlocutor
              Interlocutor 7 October 2020 14: 06
              0
              In confirmation of your words

        2. Alex777
          Alex777 7 October 2020 17: 17
          +3
          According to various sources, the Finns cover up to 60% of the needs of their sawmills with their forests.

          Are you seriously? 25% is closer to the truth.
          https://ria.ru/20200930/drevesina-1578013881.html
      2. Zoldat_A
        Zoldat_A 7 October 2020 12: 27
        10
        Quote: Snail N9
        when asked, he confirmed- "Yes, Russia is a third world country, namely the third world, and its citizens will receive permission to enter the last place."

        Yes, even the tenth world .. For the second time today I remember the Great Ranevskaya
        I don't care what they say in my back - only my female listens to them ...

        It doesn't hurt to go to that Finland and pulls ... Of course, it doesn't pull girls "with reduced social responsibility" - to marry a Finn, give him two or three "Finnets", to become a respectable lady. And then all over Russia roar like a beluga on TV in a talk show that the Finnish juvenile justice has taken away children from her. And what places did you think before? But you had to head ...
    2. smart ass
      smart ass 7 October 2020 12: 04
      -2
      I assure you nothing will change, as they cut it and they will
      1. Nasrat
        Nasrat 7 October 2020 12: 16
        +3
        Quote: Clever man
        I assure you nothing will change, as they cut it and they will

        Naturally ... only they will be processed in Russia ... there is a difference ...
        1. moscowp
          moscowp 7 October 2020 12: 27
          +1
          The development of processing is stimulated by the creation of favorable conditions for business development in the country, and not by prohibitions. If a person is now not frostbitten enough to invest in production, then after the ban he will not be like that.
          1. Nasrat
            Nasrat 7 October 2020 12: 40
            +1
            Quote: moscowp
            The development of processing is stimulated by the creation of favorable conditions for business development in the country, and not by prohibitions. If a person is now not frostbitten enough to invest in production, then after the ban he will not be like that.

            Who is paper, cardboard, wood-based panels, plywood, veneer, timber, etc. does? Moreover, the annual growth in this industry.
            1. moscowp
              moscowp 7 October 2020 13: 34
              -1
              Who is doing? The right people do what they can. Look, for example, for the largest paper producer in Russia, who are the owners, who were among the shareholders, and perhaps remains an interested party ...
        2. smart ass
          smart ass 7 October 2020 13: 45
          +1
          Everything will remain at the level of the May decrees and 20 thousand high-tech jobs
    3. koramax81
      koramax81 7 October 2020 15: 19
      -1
      And what prevented you from cutting everything down before that? It's not easy to pick up and start chopping more. If only they thought with their heads ...
      1. Train
        Train 7 October 2020 20: 13
        0
        Of course not, you need infrastructure, technical roads, etc. This is a very expensive and not a quick business
    4. Train
      Train 7 October 2020 20: 12
      0
      They cut him off anyway.
  3. DymOk_v_dYmke
    DymOk_v_dYmke 7 October 2020 11: 24
    +6
    If they want, they will produce branches and daughters in Russia.
  4. Captain Pushkin
    Captain Pushkin 7 October 2020 11: 24
    +6
    Part of the Finnish woodworking will move to the Russian Federation, will not suffer in income, only taxes will be paid in the Russian Federation.
    1. astepanov
      astepanov 7 October 2020 11: 38
      19
      The tradition is fresh, but hard to believe. I have heard about illegal logging and the fierce struggle against it for the last three decades. As well as about the fight against smuggling, the HIV epidemic, drug trafficking, corruption, as well as caring for medium-sized businesses, affordable housing, raising the salaries of teachers and doctors ... Problems are being successfully swept under the rug - that's all.
      1. Kyrgyz
        Kyrgyz 7 October 2020 11: 59
        +5
        in the Finnish direction for a long time everything has been more civilized, but the east is complete anarchy, but China is still silent
      2. krillon
        krillon 7 October 2020 21: 43
        -1
        The important thing is not to win but to take part.
    2. Blacksmith 55
      Blacksmith 55 7 October 2020 11: 45
      +8
      Not only taxes in Russia will be paid if they move, but also additional jobs, which is important.
      The correct decision, it was high time.
  5. Fungus
    Fungus 7 October 2020 11: 24
    -2
    The way Ukrainian Carpathians buy
    1. aszzz888
      aszzz888 7 October 2020 11: 44
      +4

      Fungus (Vitiek)
      Today, 11: 24
      NEW
      +1
      The way Ukrainian Carpathians buy
      There, the Europa is already lined up. wink
      1. hydrox
        hydrox 7 October 2020 20: 00
        0
        Aha
        In line - just why, for sawdust?
        The Carpathians were cut down like mowed two years ago!
  6. iouris
    iouris 7 October 2020 11: 25
    -2
    The decision is good, no doubt about it. However, no matter how it turned out as with the notorious "May decrees". The death penalty is now abolished ...
    1. unaha
      unaha 7 October 2020 11: 44
      0
      Decision about nothing. Exports of round timber have already declined strongly (less than 10%). They will be removed (and even now they are) after the most minimal primary processing. It will not lead to deep processing anyway.
      1. Woodman
        Woodman 7 October 2020 11: 53
        +1
        Quote: unaha
        They will be removed (and they are already being removed) after the most minimal primary processing

        So it seems that the ban on export and minimum primary processing also applies to:
        a complete ban on the export from Russia of unprocessed or rough, only for the type of processed timber
        1. Avior
          Avior 7 October 2020 12: 10
          0
          This formulation provides a wide field for interpretation.
  7. nnm
    nnm 7 October 2020 11: 25
    +8
    Yes, how many such decisions have already been - the sea. The main thing is to put them into practice. And close all the loopholes, such as export under the guise of firewood, hemp and so on. Although, in reality - the issue of control over customs, without "participation" - such tricks do not work.
  8. novel66
    novel66 7 October 2020 11: 25
    +3
    let them look for the forest in the jungle of Brazil
    1. iouris
      iouris 7 October 2020 11: 39
      -3
      Oh, I'm afraid that Finland and Sweden would rather attack Lenobrast than go to look for suppliers to Brazil. Yes, I completely forgot about Korea and China.
    2. Pete mitchell
      Pete mitchell 7 October 2020 11: 46
      +4
      hi
      Quote: novel xnumx
      let them look for the forest in the jungle of Brazil
      - this is far away, but 404th may think.
      Quote: nnm
      The main thing is to put them into practice ...

      Let's have a little positive: VVP said about five years ago that the transit through the Baltic States should be reoriented - look what happens to their ports: he almost died.
      Before that, there was a team to reorient towards the export of final wood products, not to export round timber - this is another bell. In recent years, several production facilities have been built in the north-east of the Russian Federation, I know the engineer who built them.
      The process is going on, which is good, but sometimes I would like wave a saber.
      1. novel66
        novel66 7 October 2020 11: 47
        +3
        oh, I would like to !!! tramp! hi
        1. Pete mitchell
          Pete mitchell 7 October 2020 11: 49
          +4
          Roman, are you talking about the export of finished products or wave a saber wink
          1. novel66
            novel66 7 October 2020 11: 50
            +3
            more about the saber ... and the horse and the line of fire ...
            1. Pete mitchell
              Pete mitchell 7 October 2020 11: 53
              +4
              Quote: novel xnumx
              more about the saber ... and the horse and the line of fire ...

              I would suggest in a modern way: you can create economic conditions for your companies so that they are not interested in cooperating with them: multiply electricity, gas / oil, transit by 0 ... I am sure they will cope, only the price will be different ...
              1. novel66
                novel66 7 October 2020 11: 56
                +3
                and move all Ikea to us
    3. DymOk_v_dYmke
      DymOk_v_dYmke 7 October 2020 11: 46
      +1
      Quote: novel xnumx
      let them look for the forest in the jungle of Brazil

      They haven’t turned off theirs yet, so they’re having fun at home.
      1. novel66
        novel66 7 October 2020 11: 49
        +2
        They feel sorry for theirs, you see
  9. KVU-NSVD
    KVU-NSVD 7 October 2020 11: 26
    +2
    Let some of the production be transferred to us. At least for the initial processing. Our labor is cheaper. Beneficial for everyone.
    1. hydrox
      hydrox 7 October 2020 20: 04
      +2
      Unprofitable :: the main gesheft is going from furniture - here we have almost unplowed.
      1. KVU-NSVD
        KVU-NSVD 8 October 2020 18: 59
        0
        Quote: hydrox
        Unprofitable :: the main gesheft is going from furniture - here we have almost unplowed.

        If round timber goes there, then furniture makers number sixteen. Round timber is cut into boards or a bar, and it is this part that has no problems to be brought to Russia and who will say that this is not so ... the Finns just do not want to bother with our specifics, and the governors of Karelia cannot tune in to an honest wave ...
        1. hydrox
          hydrox 8 October 2020 20: 34
          +1
          If for the Finns the round timber is over, it does not mean that we have learned how to make furniture ...
  10. Gvardeetz77
    Gvardeetz77 7 October 2020 11: 27
    12
    The decision was 25 years late, as if yesterday the problem became known. How many forests have been destroyed, how many people have been buried for it.
    1. Victorio
      Victorio 7 October 2020 12: 02
      -4
      Quote: Gvardeetz77
      The decision was 25 years late, as if yesterday the problem became known. How much forest has been destroyed how many people were buried for it.

      ===
      it is a renewable resource. When I was 87, I got to Latvia by distribution, I went by bus to Ventspils from Riga for several hours, along the forest-forest-forest road. then independence, logs were felled and sent everywhere, later sawing appeared, processing of chips. visually, the results of activities are visible, the forest becomes smaller. however, they officially report that there is no reason or concern https://rus.lsm.lv/statja/novosti/ekonomika/territorija-lesa-za-poslednie-vosemdesjat-let-udvoilas-predstavitel-latvijas-valsts-mezi.a316760/
    2. alstr
      alstr 7 October 2020 12: 41
      +5
      So to speak
      Currently, there are two trends:
      1. A good forest is cut down in relatively easily accessible places.
      2. There is no sanitary cleaning of the forest.

      As a result, it turns out that part of the forests (even in central Russia) is littered, and on the other hand (sometimes unique) pieces of forest are cut down.

      At the same time, the forest protection service (foresters simply) for a long time not only was cut, but also did not receive the funding it should (by the way, this also concerns water resources).
      In addition, in fact, her rights were also slightly curtailed.
      As a result, we get that there is no one to fight poachers, and if there is anyone, then the employees have practically no rights to bring them to serious responsibility.
      We are seeing the result of this state of affairs.
      1. hydrox
        hydrox 7 October 2020 20: 10
        +3
        Right.
        That the Water Code, that the Forestry Codes were written by corrupt crooks for thieves - but to tackle this issue closely ... so for this the UPC must be increased to the size of the army!
        But in Siberia, after all, there is movement in planting and suppression?
  11. Mihail55
    Mihail55 7 October 2020 11: 36
    +3
    The first swallow in our industry! It would be nice to continue to follow the path of protectionism, to give preferences to their manufacturers of woodworking equipment. I agree, now we are in the tail, but with economic incentives and taxes on NASHE, the situation can be rectified. Naturally, only with the tough will of the state ... the bourgeois don't give a damn about all this ...
    1. Souchastnik
      Souchastnik 7 October 2020 15: 38
      -2
      This is how the will is not observed.
  12. Knell wardenheart
    Knell wardenheart 7 October 2020 11: 39
    -6
    Well, here he is - the devil in the details! After all, the main thing is to loudly declare that patriots and environmentalists should prostrate themselves in ecstasy, and then the details will be unearthed.
  13. Victorio
    Victorio 7 October 2020 11: 43
    +4
    the export of wood from the Russian Federation will be completely closed.
    ===
    It is high time. still processing, right on the ground, so that the locals have work.
  14. aszzz888
    aszzz888 7 October 2020 11: 46
    +3
    Stop feeding everyone. And how much round timber goes to China !!!!
  15. Hypatius
    Hypatius 7 October 2020 11: 49
    +1
    I would like to remind you that all raw materials exported from the RSFSR should be multiplied at least twice, as:
    The "black market" may be at least twice as large, and therefore in Finland they are expressing fears about that, if the export of wood from the Russian Federation is completely closed.
    the author has multiplied threefold. Literate, however.
  16. Virus-free crown
    Virus-free crown 7 October 2020 11: 51
    -4
    Yes, our scoundrels 1000 and 1 way will figure out how to take it out - and according to the law it will crying
    Yes ... Putin is torn away from life in Russia ... torn away ... instead of helping to establish business in Russia using the same forest to organize, so that the woodworking industry can be brought to the world level, he is "engaged in prohibition" ... It would be better to say that for 5 years from January 1, 2022, he will not take a dime of taxes from the workers and owners of woodworking enterprises ... then there would be a fig who, of his own free will, took out at least one tree from Russia ... would instantly start processing. .. and so ... a loud "bunch in the air" ...
    1. Thunderbringer
      Thunderbringer 7 October 2020 12: 41
      +3
      Quote: Corona without virus
      It would be better to say that for 5 years from January 1, 2022, he will not take a penny of taxes from workers and owners of woodworking enterprises ... then figs who voluntarily took at least one tree from Russia ...

      Not at all.
      And taxes would not be paid, and exported as before, even more.
      The stupidest proposal, worthy of a couch fighter against the regime.
      so ... a loud "bunch in the air" ...
  17. Kyrgyz
    Kyrgyz 7 October 2020 11: 58
    +1
    Let them transfer processing and jobs, the decision is correct and precisely for this, it was not unexpected calls were, if they ignored themselves to blame
  18. evgen1221
    evgen1221 7 October 2020 12: 01
    -4
    Were the knots cut down, separated from the root, stripped the bark? Great, now you can sell round timber that has already been processed by Nyzenko Nyzenko. And the second loophole is to register a daughter of a foreign company, and our own and cut further, the income is a large part, and it already belongs to the (foreign) office and is calmly displayed wherever you want. In short, it seems it's time to put things in order, and it seems that they have spread a feather bed for themselves.
    1. Alexey Sommer
      Alexey Sommer 7 October 2020 13: 52
      +2
      Quote: evgen1221
      Did you cut off the knots? Did you cut them off from the root?

      We wrote above.
      It's not gonna go. This is a rough treatment. Prohibited for export as well.
  19. Fitter65
    Fitter65 7 October 2020 12: 06
    +2
    Finnish experts noted that without wood from the Russian Federation, the country's woodworking industry may, if not completely stand up, then lose up to half of its profits.

    And most of all they are afraid that they will have to cut their own forest. In China, the forest has not been cut for 25 years, and the timber processing industry is only growing ...
  20. Airdefense
    Airdefense 7 October 2020 12: 07
    -1
    It all depends on how they will suppress, if the scale of corruption remains the same, then the export will not go anywhere, except that from time to time they will catch poachers and show them publicly.
  21. Radomir
    Radomir 7 October 2020 12: 37
    -1
    The second place in the world for the export of round timber is, if my memory serves me, New Zealand. Let's open the map and compare the forest reserves in Russia, Ukraine, Belarus, etc. The theme of the forest is not fully understood for many, I think there is no need to worry that it will end from cutting down. In addition, in the Russian Federation, for several years now, the volume of sales of round timber has already been decreasing due to the protective measures of the government. In percentage terms, in my opinion, has long been less than in the days of the USSR.
    1. Doliva63
      Doliva63 7 October 2020 19: 07
      -2
      Quote: Radomir
      In percentage terms, in my opinion, has long been less than in the days of the USSR.

      "In percentage terms, in my opinion, has long been less than in the days of the USSR." So much less, how much more was the Union, or what? Are you kidding? laughing
  22. rocket757
    rocket757 7 October 2020 12: 38
    +2
    On foreign clucking, we are somehow exactly ... but how we will translate words into deeds, we will see.
  23. 1536
    1536 7 October 2020 13: 15
    0
    Quote: Fungus
    The way Ukrainian Carpathians buy

    Late, the Carpathians are already "bald".
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  27. Country Councils
    Country Councils 7 October 2020 13: 38
    +1
    Garbage, it will be necessary - they will buy it somewhere. They are worried that Russia is no longer a colony https://mmanificarum.blogspot.com/2020/10/blog-post_15.html
  28. _Ugene_
    _Ugene_ 7 October 2020 14: 12
    -1
    The "black market" can be at least twice as large
    so "Black Market" is illegal now, what's the difference?
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  30. Blackmokona
    Blackmokona 7 October 2020 14: 29
    -3
    On the one hand, this measure, in their opinion, will restrict smuggling.

    How does expanding the smuggling list reduce contraband?
  31. NF68
    NF68 7 October 2020 16: 00
    -1
    Are these people used to freebies too?
  32. NF68
    NF68 7 October 2020 16: 01
    -1
    Are these people used to freebies too?
  33. NF68
    NF68 7 October 2020 16: 01
    -1
    Are these people used to making good money on Russian raw materials?
  34. fif21
    fif21 7 October 2020 16: 50
    +1
    The decision is correct! It is stupid to sell cheap raw materials. Here, instead of oil, to drive oil products through tubes, it would be generally chocolate. hi
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  36. ArioN
    ArioN 7 October 2020 17: 26
    +2
    The freebie will end soon .. But they will be sawing until we strengthen the staff of rangers-foresters, well armed with great powers and naturally provided with technical means, up to satellite images and air support .. Otherwise, the main wealth of Russia of virgin forests of high-quality wood will soon come .. Furgala I think they planted it for that too, when they dug deeper .. The richest areas, but they live in poverty!
  37. Romanenko
    Romanenko 7 October 2020 17: 59
    -1
    If we tolerate and "respect" the opinions of each of our neighbors, we will soon stay in the desert, but everyone around will be happy.
    True, they will not stop spitting in the direction of Russia.
    Alexander III was right when he said - "Russia has only two allies - the army and the navy !!!"
    Since then, two more have been added - the Aerospace Forces and the missile forces.
    The rest, at best, are fellow travelers.
  38. Romanenko
    Romanenko 7 October 2020 17: 59
    -1
    If we tolerate and "respect" the opinions of each of our neighbors, we will soon stay in the desert, but everyone around will be happy.
    True, they will not stop spitting in the direction of Russia.
    Alexander III was right when he said - "Russia has only two allies - the army and the navy !!!"
    Since then, two more have been added - the Aerospace Forces and the missile forces.
    The rest, at best, are fellow travelers.
  39. Romanenko
    Romanenko 7 October 2020 17: 59
    -1
    If we tolerate and "respect" the opinions of each of our neighbors, we will soon stay in the desert, but everyone around will be happy.
    True, they will not stop spitting in the direction of Russia.
    Alexander III was right when he said - "Russia has only two allies - the army and the navy !!!"
    Since then, two more have been added - the Aerospace Forces and the missile forces.
    The rest, at best, are fellow travelers.
  40. Mustachioed Georgian
    Mustachioed Georgian 7 October 2020 19: 39
    0
    We have enough mess for many generations. For example, I witnessed the construction of a gas pipeline of the power of siberia, the oil pipeline was dug in parallel to it, a clearing of 50 meters at least one or the other across the half of the country and the whole forest that was mowed down while the pipes were laid right there next to it was buried, not the trunk was given to people.
  41. PValery53
    PValery53 7 October 2020 20: 23
    +1
    A real Boss in Russia would always strictly follow that reforestation ALWAYS outstrips deforestation. What do we have? ..
  42. is-22
    is-22 8 October 2020 03: 58
    -1
    no one paid attention to what was said about the prohibition of uncontrolled export of untreated timber. Those. controlled allowed. Maybe just a redistribution of profits, not a ban.
  43. Nitarius
    Nitarius 8 October 2020 05: 16
    +1
    ))) so what's the question))) Let them return to the COUNTRY! and it will be wood)))
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  45. mainlion
    mainlion 8 October 2020 12: 33
    +1
    To completely prohibit the export of any timber, even rotten ones. Finns want to produce paper - build enterprises in Karelia. If Italians want to produce furniture, build factories in Russia. We will agree on preferences and benefits. Obviously. The Chinese, being the leaders in rare earth metals, did just that. Now they are producing electronics on a cosmic scale. , there is no business executive in his country.
  46. faterdom
    faterdom 8 October 2020 22: 33
    0
    Quote: hydrox
    Here you can recall the past 10-20 years ago :: Ilim-Pulp, the largest processor of Siberian timber, to whom did it belong?
    That's right, Mr. Vedmedic.
    So why would someone be able to offend him with the forest? yes lol laughing

    In fact, Zakhar Smushkin was the owner. Yes, and in 2003, Deripaska tried to squeeze out the Kotlas pulp and paper mill by a run over of cleaning shareholders.
  47. Megatron
    Megatron 9 October 2020 01: 03
    -1
    Right now, you are here at an interruption arguing that the export of round timber will stop, that finished products will go, etc., etc. But I didn't see even one person write about RESTORATION OF FORESTS. In fact, it does not exist, the clearings are overgrown with small shrubs and then become waterlogged or deserted.

    In 2010, I worked in one office, she was engaged in forestry, mainly Siberian Larch was supplied. Well, all sorts of timber there: sleepers, etc.
    So, I asked the director how it is, but how is the restoration of forests going there, in Lesosibirsk, from where cars are being driven to us with larch.
    He thought so hard, even sat down on a chair, took off his glasses. I thought and said: you know, I have been in this field for 30 years, and you are the first who asked me this question. He helped me again and said sadly - no way.
  48. Voyager
    Voyager 11 October 2020 13: 05
    0
    This is all good, but when there are obligatory stickers on the products of Poles and the company, what are these products of hostile states? At least so, if not a ban.