"Suwalki Corridor": the ratio of NATO and Russian forces in a hypothetical clash

A relatively small stretch of terrain - up to hundreds of kilometers of the Polish-Lithuanian border, with one end resting on Belarus and the other in the Kaliningrad region, named after the city of Suwalki located in this area, has become a source of serious headache for the strategists of the North Atlantic Alliance in recent years ... Why?

NATO generals are confident that it is in this area that the Russians, who have finally decided to begin the conquest of Europe, will make their first breakthrough in order to cut off the "small but proud" Baltic states from their allies, and, most importantly, to ensure themselves the possibility of overland communication with Kaliningrad and the military group stationed there. Hence the name - "Suwalki corridor". Explaining to Russophobic anxious Western commanders that we are not going to attack anyone is obviously useless. So let's think about it. What will happen if the troops of Russia and NATO really collide in this very corridor, if there is a real clash? Hypothetically ...

It must be said that, in addition to the abundantly produced fantasies, our most probable enemy has for some time been very active in carrying out quite real measures to prepare for the defense of this territory from the "insidious Russian strike." Chief among these is the Iron Wolf (Gelezinis Vilkas) exercise, which has been held since 2017, taking place in Lithuania with the participation of military personnel from most European NATO countries, as well as the United States. As a rule, their number is about 5 thousand people.

As for the American contingent directly, last year, for example, it was represented by half a thousand soldiers of the 2nd Armored Brigade of the 1st Cavalry Division of the US Army with 30 tanks M1 Abrams and 25 M2 Bradley infantry fighting vehicles. To be honest, somehow not very impressive. In addition, it is one thing to arrive at a place in advance, for pre-planned maneuvers, and quite another - on a combat alert in a "surprise attack". At one time, the Pentagon calculated that, for example, the 82nd Airborne Division of the American army needed at least 72 hours to transfer to this region.

At the same time, according to the ex-commander of the US ground forces in Europe, Lieutenant General Ben Hodges (a person clearly understands this issue), the Russian armed forces will need from 36 to 60 hours in order to take full control of not only the notorious corridor, but also all the Baltic countries together with their capitals. As for the Suwalki "hundred-kilometer" route itself, the difficult terrain conditions (very swampy and wooded) will rather become a problem for NATO troops, who cannot imagine an offensive without massive use of armored vehicles, than for ours.

In addition, if necessary, we do not even need to send ground troops there: only the 9K58 Smerch MLRS with a firing range of about a hundred kilometers, if they are used from both the Russian and Belarusian sides of the corridor, will arrange a real a firestorm from which hardly anyone will come out alive. And this is without taking into account the more serious missile weapons and strike capabilities of our Aerospace Forces. All the tactical simulations and headquarters games conducted by the alliance analysts forced them to come to a disappointing conclusion: to keep the Suwalki Corridor under control, forces and means are needed that are many times superior to those that NATO has in the region.

According to the experts of the well-known American analytical center RAND, whose services the Pentagon constantly uses to make military forecasts, the North Atlantic Alliance will be able to deploy a maximum of 17 battalions for the defense of the "Suwalki Corridor", which is not up to 7 thousand people. This is against 25 battalions of the Russian army, which have 10 thousand soldiers in their composition. In this case, the most "serious" equipment, ready to go into battle immediately, most likely, will be the American Stryker armored personnel carriers. To stop our tanks ... Do not tell ... No, this is not jingoistic patriotism. Just besides the tanks ...

Back in 2018, Warsaw announced the formation of the 18th Mechanized Division with headquarters in Siedlce and plans to restore the 14th Suwalki Anti-Tank Artillery Regiment to cover this area. However, all this is clearly not enough.

It is clear that modern warfare is not only and not so much a clash of motorized infantry battalions and tank brigades, but a confrontation between much more serious and formidable forces. One strike aircraft carrier group of the US Navy is capable of turning the tide of hostilities in almost any theater of operations. That's just not on the considered in this case! The American AUG will not be able to operate in the Baltic Sea both by its natural conditions (shallow depth) and by the most powerful anti-ship defense systems deployed in the same Kaliningrad and our Baltic fleet.

On aviation an even sadder situation for the Alliance. It is not for nothing that they complain about the creation of an anti-access / area denial in the Kaliningrad region, a zone of complete barriers to access. Russian air defense and electronic warfare systems deployed both in this region and in Belarus, when NATO aviation tries to establish its own air supremacy, will very quickly force the generals there to remember the term “unacceptable losses”. In fact, the alliance does not even try to deny this truth.

Perhaps, it is all these factors that are responsible for the heightened concern in the West regarding the "Suwalki Corridor". Well, here we can only advise one thing: not to try to threaten our country and thereby not create situations in which our army will be forced to use the corridor.

Comments

[Aaron Zawi]

Pancake. People explain to me how NATO should attack the Russian Federation if, according to Russia's military doctrine, any attack on it from a nuclear power or a bloc possessing nuclear weapons will lead to the immediate use of its nuclear weapons by the RA. To be honest, you will not trample on NATO either. The block can quickly concentrate a superior air force against you.
The conclusion is that your troops can only clash on the territory of third countries and only in a neo-colonial conflict. And this is a completely different music.

[Insurgent]

Quote: Aron Zaavi

The conclusion is that your troops can only clash on the territory of third countries and only in a neo-colonial conflict.

What did you mean ? When did Russia practice colonial politics in its history to participate in the "neo-colonial conflict / war"?

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: Insurgent

Quote: Aron Zaavi

The conclusion is that your troops can only clash on the territory of third countries and only in a neo-colonial conflict.

What did you mean ? When did Russia practice colonial politics in its history to participate in the "neo-colonial conflict / war"?

Well, that's why it is "neo-colonial". Today, countries are not conquered, but taken under control. So somewhere in Africa or Asia you will find out where the presidents of the "independent" countries will visit.

[Bersaglieri]

Right. And it will not be armies, but PMCs + "native formations".

[Vladimir Mashkov]

I am sure that if it comes down to it, NATO generals will be unpleasantly surprised by the Russian response. If they manage to realize this fact!

[Romario_Argo]

as for me, then
it would be better for the Republic of Belarus to aggravate relations with Poland and take Suwalki to the border with Kaliningrad, our PMCs and MTRs to help them.
and then Belarus, which has grown in territories, can easily enter the Russian Federation
and the "tribalts" then our 5th column from the inside will "squeeze"

[Andrey Grad]

It would be more expedient to exchange the territory of the Kaliningrad region for the territory of one of the Baltic republics. An exclave, even with a corridor, is always vulnerable, and the completely adjacent territory, with direct rail links and other communications, is much easier to defend.

[Romario_Argo]

we have an article in the new constitution and in the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation for calls for the alienation of territories (more accurately)
but for calls to chop off the land (Suwalki) - they are not punished (!)

[Andrey Grad]

Yes, I am aware of your new constitution, only the call was not for alienation, but for exchange at least for an equivalent one. Another plus of this decision is the normal economic development of the territory and people's lives, which in the exclave conditions is provided by additional efforts and costs.

[Andrey Grad]

Before minus think soberly, Kaliningrad became Russian only 70 years ago, and the Russian Baltic region is already 300 years old, before Crimea.

[Oprichnik]

Only here in the Tribaltia there are sharply unfriendly or simply hostile natives who, like after the war, will start shooting in our backs. Of course, we coped with their grandfathers in the 40s-50s, we can handle it now, but blood will be shed and nerves will shake while we clear the territory to 0.

[Andrey Grad]

Quote: Oprichnik

Only here in the Tribaltia there are sharply unfriendly or simply hostile natives who, like after the war, will start shooting in our backs. Of course, we coped with their grandfathers in the 40s-50s, we can handle it now, but blood will be shed and nerves will shake while we clear the territory to 0.

You apparently did not understand, the exchange of territories implies a voluntary exchange of residents, who wants to stay where he lived, and who wants to live with his people moves and no war, death, tragedies.

[Yuriy Nikolaev]

Kaliningrad, or Konigsberg, became Russian for the last time 75 years ago, and before that it was Russian more than once, for example, Kant, who was born and died in Konigsberg, remained a Russian subject.

[Liam]

Quote: Yuri Nikolaev

Kaliningrad, or Konigsberg, became Russian for the last time 75 years ago, and before that it was Russian more than once, for example, Kant, who was born and died in Konigsberg, remained a Russian subject.

Kant was born in 1724, died in 1804. For 90 years of his life, Königsberg was a part of RI for 4 years. From 1758 to 1762

[prodi]

Quote: Romario_Argo

as for me, then
it would be better for the Republic of Belarus to aggravate relations with Poland and take Suwalki to the border with Kaliningrad, our PMCs and MTRs to help them.
and then Belarus, which has grown in territories, can easily enter the Russian Federation
and the "tribalts" then our 5th column from the inside will "squeeze"

Quote: Andrew Grad

It would be more expedient to exchange the territory of the Kaliningrad region for the territory of one of the Baltic republics. An exclave, even with a corridor, is always vulnerable, and the completely adjacent territory, with direct rail links and other communications, is much easier to defend.

It would be most expedient to squeeze out the territory (along the edges) from the whole trinity: Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia with direct access to Kaliningrad and forced displacement of the local population, deep into the remaining lands - and let them fight for a better life among themselves

[Andrey Grad]

Quote: prodi

Quote: Romario_Argo

as for me, then
it would be better for the Republic of Belarus to aggravate relations with Poland and take Suwalki to the border with Kaliningrad, our PMCs and MTRs to help them.
and then Belarus, which has grown in territories, can easily enter the Russian Federation
and the "tribalts" then our 5th column from the inside will "squeeze"

Quote: Andrew Grad

It would be more expedient to exchange the territory of the Kaliningrad region for the territory of one of the Baltic republics. An exclave, even with a corridor, is always vulnerable, and the completely adjacent territory, with direct rail links and other communications, is much easier to defend.

It would be most expedient to squeeze out the territory (along the edges) from the whole trinity: Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia with direct access to Kaliningrad and forced displacement of the local population, deep into the remaining lands - and let them fight for a better life among themselves

In Courland and Estonia, half of the population is we Russians, who already have the right to claim half of the territory.

[Latrus]

Quote: Andrey Grad

In Courland and Estonia, half of the population is we Russians, who already have the right to claim half of the territory.

There are many who just bought real estate and received a second citizenship just in case ... But the indigenous Russians, there are non-citizens and they are constantly being squeezed out. But the Tikhanovskys and other bulk people feel very good there ..

[Old Skeptic]

Not in bulk, but in bulk.

[Andrey Grad]

For the property that was set up in the 2000s, they did not know whom to sell the Nazis citizenship did not give anyone, especially Russians, only a residence permit, and there were not so many of them, and now they cannot sell their Jurmala property. For the extension of the residence permit from each Russian, 5000 euros is now required. In general, they plan not to renew it at all. From next year, the Nazis in our shoes have raised the cadastre for expensive houses by 2-5 times, respectively, the tax will also increase, the Russians will rush to sell Jurmala houses two times cheaper than they bought. This is how Russians are bred beautifully. They then thought they took money away from the Russian Federation, invested it here in Riga, calmed down, but Europe will not be taken away. No, they will not take it away, you will give it yourself))

[Oprichnik]

This is much better

[Lara Croft]

It would be most expedient to squeeze out the territory (along the edges) from the whole trinity: Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia with direct access to Kaliningrad and the forced displacement of the local population, deep into the remaining lands - and let them butt for a better life among themselves [/ quote]
That thing ...

[MKPU-115]

Quote: Andrey Grad

It would be more expedient to exchange the territory of the Kaliningrad region

Art. 280.1 CC RF
They are punished with a fine in the amount of one hundred thousand to three hundred thousand rubles, or in the amount of the convict's wages or other income for a period of one year to two years, or by forced labor for a term of up to three years, or by arrest for a term of four to six months, or by deprivation freedom for up to four years with the deprivation of the right to occupy certain positions or engage in certain activities for the same period.

The same acts committed with the use of mass media or electronic or information and telecommunication networks (including the Internet) -
shall be punishable by compulsory labor for a term of up to four hundred eighty hours, with deprivation of the right to occupy certain positions or engage in certain activities for a term of up to three years or imprisonment for a term of up to five years with deprivation of the right to occupy certain positions or engage in certain activities for a term of up to three years.

[Vladimir Mashkov]

Dreams are wonderful, of course. I do not argue. But premature. Although, perhaps, such a plan is in the General Staff ...

[Romario_Argo]

such a plan is in the General Staff

yeah, in our General Staff, more precisely, in the National Defense Center (this is a faster response) - there are even the most delusional options - so that this would not be a surprise for us

[Tektor]

There is a plan, of course. Dig a tunnel. Fill it halfway with water and declare it "neutral waters".

[Kronos]

For example, participation in the suppression of the boxing uprising, with the passing seizure of territories from China.

[Insurgent]

Quote: Kronos

For example, participation in the suppression of the boxing uprising, with the passing seizure of territories from China.

In the course of the suppression of the Ikhetuan ("Boxing") uprising, the Republic of Ingushetia took part in the "international coalition" of eight powers, simply intervention.
Apart from the seizure of part of the territory, there was not even a trace of colonial policy in China on the part of the Republic of Ingushetia ...

[Kronos]

For example, I can recall the sections of Poland.

[paul3390]

During the partition of Poland, we always took only our own. Once captured by our lyakhams. After Bonaparte - yes, Alexander I committed a terrible stupidity, agreeing to take the Kingdom of Poland ..

[Cherry Nine]

Quote: paul3390

we always took only ours

)))
This is when this same Minsk was "your own"?

[Kronos]

Does not exist in any country of its own, when everything belonged to others.

[parusnik]

When did Russia practice colonial policy in its history?

... Read history, and began to carry out the neo-colonial as it became a capitalist power, entered the top 5 world economies, imperialist interests appeared, without this, no matter how ..

[Cherry Nine]

Quote: Insurgent

When did Russia practice colonial policy in its history to participate in the "neo-colonial conflict / war"?

I've always used it. Another thing is that the colonies were often very dumb, the same ORDLO, you can't go far

The question is what?

[Mikhail Tynda]

Why did you mark all the corners with boiling water on them then? Hmmm. On the face of all the signs of liquefaction of the virginity of a pure brain with the replacement of its activity by the spinal cord.

[Latrus]

Quote: Insurgent

Quote: Aron Zaavi

The conclusion is that your troops can only clash on the territory of third countries and only in a neo-colonial conflict.

What did you mean ? When did Russia practice colonial politics in its history to participate in the "neo-colonial conflict / war"?

They in Israel judge by themselves and by the way they constantly advise us to bring ourselves as they do to BV, etc., but we are different, for this they hate us, that we constantly bring down their arrogance

[Eragon]

Quote: Insurgent

Quote: Aron Zaavi

The conclusion is that your troops can only clash on the territory of third countries and only in a neo-colonial conflict.

What did you mean ? When did Russia practice colonial politics in its history to participate in the "neo-colonial conflict / war"?

In Soviet times, it was called help to friendly and even fraternal peoples. And there are more than a dozen of these "help". Through Angola, Laos, Nicaragua, Algeria, etc. more than one hundred thousand soldiers of the USSR Armed Forces passed. Have you heard about Egypt, Vietnam and Korea? Replacing some "patrons" with others on someone else's territory isn't colonial wars?

[SRC P-15]

Perhaps, it is all these factors that are responsible for the heightened concern in the West regarding the "Suwalki Corridor".

Yes Yes! Well, what, but we know how to whip! Let's put it in that it won't seem a little!

[Same lech]

The block can quickly concentrate a superior air force against you.

It will not be able to ... by this time there will be no surviving airfields after the use of Iskander.

[Oleg123219307]

Quote: Aaron Zawi

Pancake. People explain to me how NATO should attack the Russian Federation if, according to Russia's military doctrine, any attack on it from a nuclear power or a bloc possessing nuclear weapons will lead to the immediate use of its nuclear weapons by the RA. To be honest, you will not trample on NATO either. The block can quickly concentrate a superior air force against you.
The conclusion is that your troops can only clash on the territory of third countries and only in a neo-colonial conflict. And this is a completely different music.

The problem here is the self-confidence of the gentlemen of American generals and politicians. The latter is even more so. Well they are cool - cooler than boiled eggs. Any next American political group will decide, for example, to arrange a small victorious war in the Crimea to level its position. Formally, they do not consider it ours, they do not plan to use nuclear weapons, they do not threaten the existence of Russia - there is no formal reason for us to use nuclear weapons against them first. Even according to our doctrine, no. Only now, half an hour after the start of the attack, ALL NATO aviation in Europe, which we can reach from Kaliningrad, gets a little bit. To avoid so to speak. And the very fact of aggression against us will force us to create a security zone that guarantees +10 minutes to the flight time for the air defense guys. This means hello to the Baltic states, Ukraine, Poland, Moldova, Romania, Czech Republic, Slovakia, the remnants of Yugoslavia ... This is at least. Just so that there are no bases with missiles with a short flight time. So they are rightly afraid. If only you made the right conclusions - if you want to live in peace - do not touch us.

[nnm]

How close were the Cuban missile crisis to the beginning of World War III? There are doubts that in the end, with increased pressure on Russia on all fronts, the West will not lead to a repetition of a similar situation? And you are confident that, just like then, the American president will have the patience to find out that in fact we did not launch missiles into their ships, and our submariner will have enough patience with information about the attack on the boat by depth charges? I'm absolutely not sure about that. And you ?

[iouris]

Quote: nnm

How close were the Cuban missile crisis to the beginning of World War III?

During the Caribbean Crisis, nuclear bombs were actually loaded onto airplanes. Evacuation drills were conducted everywhere. Well, then the army was numbering eight million and it was in Germany, the Warsaw Pact, missiles in Cuba ... "A similar situation" cannot be repeated.
The third world ended with the dissolution of the USSR and the Department of Internal Affairs, the payment of a huge indemnity and the imposition of tribute on the population. Now everyone has a digital collar. The leash is still long, but the bowl moves further and further.

[nnm]

I wish you were right. Although, it is a pity that you do not notice that now the evacuation exercises have simply been replaced with the concept of a global strike - they say, nothing terrible will happen, we will preemptively destroy the threat. And the fact that the new weapons no longer make it necessary to strike from Cuba, but simply the launch of the Vanguard solves all the problems, that everyone in the United States is convinced that they will definitely be protected about them, and so on. It is not known what is more dangerous - constant readiness for war, or self-confidence that we will kill these Russians in a couple of minutes, and easily shoot down a couple of the remaining missiles. And nobody sees our planes, and invisible zumvolts, and so on ...
It was the parity of the forces of mutual destruction that was the guarantee, and now the United States can believe that there is no balance. And this is definitely not good.

[iouris]

Quote: nnm

I wish you were right.

Only Israel and the United States are allowed to use nuclear weapons. The arsenal is blown up. I am glad the bowl is half full.

[nnm]

This is the problem, that in the USA they think so ...
And they are wrong.

[Oleg123219307]

Quote: iouris

Quote: nnm

I wish you were right.

Only Israel and the United States are allowed to use nuclear weapons. The arsenal is blown up. I am glad the bowl is half full.

Where can you get such a big plan that you have stoned? Were it not for nuclear weapons and parity, and we would no longer exist. As one famous secretary of state said, 20 million Russians will be enough for us to service the mining infrastructure ...

[Tom Johnson]

If the US and NATO wanted to attack Russia it would have been in the 1990's, during Russia's hangover after binge drinking Communism for 70 years.

[smart ass]

It is not easier to cut off sprats from small but proud states from the Russian market. It'll be enough

[svoit]

Have you read?
"The Russian Federation reserves the right to use nuclear weapons in response to the use of nuclear and other types of weapons of mass destruction against it and (or) its allies, as well as in the event of aggression against the Russian Federation with the use of conventional weapons, when the very existence of the state is threatened . "
http://www.kremlin.ru/supplement/461

[Cherry Nine]

Quote: svoit

Have you read?

Oh sure. We take away from Kim the last piece of bread, not in a human way.

[SouzniK]

Quote: Aron Zaavi

Pancake. People explain to me how NATO should attack the Russian Federation if, according to Russia's military doctrine, any attack on it from a nuclear power or a bloc possessing nuclear weapons will lead to the immediate use of its nuclear weapons by the RA

Well, Aron, "military doctrines and constitutions" in Russia do not always work like you do (there is no constitution at all in Israel and England)) ..
In fact, in the early 90s, you had to start everything, but your business was above all else. (EBN was given to drink to everyone and he also signed EVERYTHING))))

Quote: Aron Zaavi

To be honest, you will not trample on NATO either. The block can quickly concentrate a superior air force against you.

Why do you think we were suddenly entrenched in Syria? Like brotherly memories, etc. Israel is there, and if you put pressure on it, many problems can be avoided if something happens ..

Quote: Aron Zaavi

The conclusion is that your troops can only clash on the territory of third countries and only in a neo-colonial conflict. And this is a completely different music.

How do you want this in Israel, but we are also not bastard .. In which case!
Your fellow tribesmen, what are they doing in Ukraine .. And who supplied the latest UAVs to Azerbaijan and now quietly supplied Iskander analogs for a lot of money without identification stamps.? This is how Aron is doing in world politics .. Russia's patience is not unlimited

[Svetlana]

Have you read the document itself?
...
P. 22 **** Russian Federation reserves the right to use nuclear weapons in response to the use of nuclear and other types of weapons of mass destruction against it and (or) its allies, as well as in the event of aggression against the Russian Federation with the use of conventional weapons ***
...
Reserves the right, there is no immediate application about which you write. And second: the staff officers get money for that to work out all possible and impossible options.

[iouris]

Quote: Svetlana

The Russian Federation reserves the right to use nuclear weapons

When was the last time nuclear weapons were tested in the Russian Federation?

[Svetlana]

You quote from the state doctrine and ask me a question. Ask the statesmen, it will be more logical.
..
And yes, the Americans say: in 2019. Russia says no ...

[figwam]

Quote: Aron Zaavi

Pancake. People explain to me how NATO

When NATO blocks Kaliningrad from the sea, in response, Russian troops will have to break through the land.

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Aron Zaavi

To be honest, you will not trample on NATO either.

As a matter of fact, we don’t need to pour it on them for nothing, if they don’t ask for it.

Quote: Aron Zaavi

The block can quickly concentrate a superior air force against you.

The fact of the matter is that such preparations with the formation of an aviation group, the concentration of troops, the deployment of hospitals and supply bases, will not remain unnoticed and will indicate that these NATO raccoons are plotting something bad, respectively, and our "movements" on this direction will be far from peaceful. In order to enter Iraq, the mattresses concentrated a grouping of about 300 thousand bayonets, and here they will need no less, only Iraq did not have the means to ruffle this army from a distance, which cannot be said about Russia. They also understand that in this situation, Russia can deliver a preemptive strike directed at the places of the greatest concentration of troops and supply bases. I don't think they are considering the option of an unpunished attack on Russia. It is much easier and safer for them to continue forcing Russia to participate in local conflicts and create conditions causing economic losses, through which to reduce the standard of living of the population and at the same time, through their agents of influence, instill the idea of ​​a change of power, after which a golden rain will fall on everyone, which is what they demonstrate by hacking one after another states along our entire perimeter, formally giving no reason to use military force against NATO and its allies. This problem is much more difficult for us than this Suwalki corridor, the topic of which is primarily needed by them, in order to nightmare the European man in the street and keep the entire European elite in "tone".

[boni592807]

Aaron Zaavi (Aaron), Today, 18:11, NEW
"... Damn. Explain to me how NATO should attack the Russian Federation if, according to Russia's military doctrine, any attack on it from a nuclear power or a bloc possessing nuclear weapons will lead to the immediate use of its nuclear weapons by the RA ..."

You are right, BUT ...
The United States (NATO) has experience of "working" with someone else's hands and on foreign territory (not PMCs), and while the process (possibly will) "solve" the problem of "tying" hands within the Russian Federation, they (the United States, NATO) will peacefully look at Graniets, the development of "internal" and gradually "external" foci without provoking de jure nuclear weapons of the Russian Federation.
... the list of non-NATO members (but the US gladiators) is enough along the perimeter of the Russian Federation. "BOSS" will promise: to whom I can resist, to whom "return", once donated by the "occupier". And for someone cities and territories, for use, at least for a while ... Both inside and outside.
About "... a donkey with a bag of gold" and its abilities, too ...
Until, the possibility of using nuclear weapons of the Russian Federation may not reach ...
And then "knights in white robes from the city on the hill" - a blunder for Lyapkin, tap for Tyapkin. And "we" all victories and also "defenders and liberators" from the evil ....!
The options have been calculated, with several contributed by the time and liberals, incl. in the hands of the (former government of the Russian Federation) serious negatives for the Russian Federation by the additions, M. Kalashnikov and Yu Krupnov "Orc's Wrath" in 2003. I hope THIS version has been calculated (read) by the FSB and the Ministry of Defense, the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the Russian State ...

[Klingon]

* The conclusion is that your troops can only collide on the territory of third countries and only in a neo-colonial conflict. And this is a completely different music. *
that is, in Israel for example ??

[Muddy Seeing ORACLE]

The tension is such that Soon a simple sneeze will provoke judgment day ...

[carstorm 11]

scenarios must nevertheless be worked out. and exercises are carried out on them. The aviation group is of course serious, but in the event of a conflict, all airfields and bases, all decision-making centers will be destroyed in the first minutes. everything is absolutely. ports and logistics centers will be destroyed. which will completely nullify the possibility of any serious concentration in any direction. against scrap there is no reception except for other scrap.

[Boris ⁣ Shaver]

Quote: Aron Zaavi

how NATO should attack the Russian Federation

You can, for example, just block Kaliningrad. From land and sea. And give us the right to attack us first. Let's attack? They, for sure, also have "doctrines". And most importantly, there are offspring, villas and capital of our powers that be.

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: Aaron Zawi

Pancake. People explain to me how NATO should attack the Russian Federation if, according to the military doctrine of Russia ...

You are right, and the VGK says the same thing. But it seems to me that "dancing" around Suwalki corridor these are the historical phantom pains of the Poles and the Balts: they remember how their West merged them in 1940 without fulfilling their obligations. Oh, I apologize, in fairness, the Americans after the collapse of the Country declare that never recognized the "occupation" - did not prevent them from cooperating with the Union.
The Poles / Balts just constantly remind us: you have to protect us, after all, we do everything for you ... Phantom pains, but there are no fools in the operational planning departments, I hope

[Mikhail Khramkov]

You're lying, you doggy son of the Libedril tribe.

[halpat]

Quote: Aaron Zawi

Pancake. People explain to me how NATO should attack the Russian Federation if, according to Russia's military doctrine, any attack on it from a nuclear power or a bloc possessing nuclear weapons will lead to the immediate use of its nuclear weapons by the RA. To be honest, you will not trample on NATO either. The block can quickly concentrate a superior air force against you.
The conclusion is that your troops can only clash on the territory of third countries and only in a neo-colonial conflict. And this is a completely different music.

This is the military. Their duty is to plan something, learn to reflect, attack, and so on. Otherwise how to justify bread and butter?
And there are a lot of journalists enthusiastically masturbating on this topic, most of whom did not even serve in the army, but who also want to eat, multiply and get their piece of fame or just hype.

[ZEMCH]

Quote: Aron Zaavi

Pancake. People explain to me how NATO should attack the Russian Federation if, according to Russia's military doctrine, any attack on it from a nuclear power or a bloc possessing nuclear weapons will lead to the immediate use of its nuclear weapons by the RA. To be honest, you will not trample on NATO either. The block can quickly concentrate a superior air force against you.
The conclusion is that your troops can only clash on the territory of third countries and only in a neo-colonial conflict. And this is a completely different music.

Americans do not care, not their own territory will be turned into a nuclear burial ground))) They still think that local use of nuclear weapons is possible

[silver_roman]

the military doctrine spelled out otherwise. The Russian Federation reserves the right to use nuclear weapons if the allies or the Russian Federation itself is under threat of destruction.

[APASUS]

Quote: Aron Zaavi

Pancake. People explain to me how NATO should attack the Russian Federation if, according to Russia's military doctrine, any attack on it from a nuclear power or a bloc possessing nuclear weapons will lead to the immediate use of its nuclear weapons by the RA. To be honest, you will not trample on NATO either.

Nobody canceled the information war. Everything is like a textbook, you can compare what the media wrote about Muammar Gaddafi, Saddam Hussein, before the attack.

[demon]

Duc, already. Wagnerrv stew in Syria will not let you lie

[demos1111]

Listen, Aaron. I've heard zircon experienced from the Baltic. Under the nose of the entire NATO bloc. I understand they followed.
And therefore, no one hid it, 450 km in 4,5 minutes. That means, if I remember the elementary school course, it turns out 1666.6 meters / second. And yes, the target was hit, which means the rocket is aiming at the ship.
In other words, in the near future, upon entering the troops in sufficient numbers, and equipping with zircon with a special charge, we get a window of opportunity (in your language) for the whole old woman of Europe, and Israel along the way. In TEN minutes, Aron in Europe will not have a single airfield, a ship in the base, any large part, I am already silent about the cities.
Aaron, you overslept. Now is a different era.
Raising all NATO aircraft requires a lot of work in the field of logistics, and therefore time.
Nobody will give you time.
Tick ​​from Israel.

[Dzungar]

Yes, yes, this will already be the music of the well-known "orchestra" ..... They are also called "IKHTAMNETS", and they can also be called FANCY ...

[tralflot1832]

Rzhu can not. Are they crazy there? Tomorrow Friday at the weekend we are not at war, We need this Suwalki corridor. And so that everyone neigh Moon, USSR Ministry of Defense, warns that smoking is hazardous to health.

[shoroh]

The Suvalak Corridor is a horror story for Europe, which the Balts invented in order to somehow explain the presence of US troops on the territory of their states.

[Livonetc]

Or maybe the method of blurring and distraction.
We think that the goal is to resist the Russian strike, but the goal is actually the capture of Kaliningrad.

[akarfoxhound]

Judging by the name (I'll tell you right away - I don't read such a crap), this article is filling in an empty column VO with a "interesting topic" from the category of the "cool boys" bazaar in the sandbox:
- and my folder will give!
- and my older brother, how ...
- but if only my grandmother had it, she would be a grandfather!

[novel66]

Hooray!!! give suvalki, right now, fuck you wait

[Mouse]

Necessarily .... Give me! but later ...

[Keyser soze]

Maybe I have a bad idea of ​​a nuclear war, but maybe first it is worth firing a thousand and two nuclear missiles, and then you can attack. Well, there in 50 years, when the radiation subsides. Go wherever you want, if you are still alive ...

[tralflot1832]

You have the correct understanding, only one thing, but ICBMs are all to one for the hegemon, and apart from four in France, England and Ramstein (not where Lindemann is). Europe has enough Iskander and calibers, there is nothing to squander one good thing.

[parusnik]

Well, there in 50 years, when the radiation subsides. Go wherever you want, if you are still alive ...

... If you go where will ...

[parusnik]

Do you know how we will fight? With little blood, on foreign territory ... After a mutual atomic attack ..

[Alien From]

Russians have always liberated this Europe! What are these "hypothetical" uses ...

[ccsr]

As experts of the well-known American analytical center RAND, whose services are constantly used by the Pentagon to draw up military forecasts, once calculated, the North Atlantic Alliance will be able to deploy a maximum of 17 battalions for the defense of the "Suwalki Corridor", which is not up to 7 thousand people. This is against 25 battalions of the Russian army, which have 10 thousand soldiers in their composition.

You read this nonsense and think whether the Americans have no specialists, or our "strategists" have seriously decided that we will fight in battalions. In any case, all this causes bewilderment over such "research", and you involuntarily understand how much better our military specialists were trained thirty years ago, who argued that NATO would fight in Europe only with the use of nuclear weapons:

[3danimal]

What kind of book is that?

[iouris]

Everything has been clear here for a long time. They are preparing to finish off the USSR completely. They can't do without it. How they will do it is the tenth question. They know. Otherwise, their entire policy after the USSR makes no sense, and most importantly, colossal costs. Rest assured they always have a clear business plan. And you?
And you have gas in your apartment.

[3danimal]

The USSR is already dead. Ideology, political structure, planned economy - none of this. And NOBODY (from the former republics, including the Russian Federation) is going to return.
It is a mistake to proceed from the complete lack of personality of the former republics of the SSR.

[Gunther]

Perhaps our ammunition type W-54 Davy Crockett would help our Baltic brothers to look more realistically at the consequences of a "clash" with Russia.
unwillingly agree with Yasha Kedmi

[Parvis rasulov]

When you write about the Suvala corridor, do you at least look at the map, what kind of area it is and what kind of terrain is there and finally how many reservoirs and swamps are there?

[alstr]

And if you also look in which direction the roads go, it will become completely clear that we need this Suvalava corridor like a dog's fifth leg.
But the impact Vilnius-Kaunas with a divergence to Klaipeda and Kaliningrad on the railway - this will be a topic.

[Tagan]

Quote: Aaron Zawi

Pancake. People explain to me how NATO should attack the Russian Federation if, according to Russia's military doctrine, any attack on it from a nuclear power or a bloc possessing nuclear weapons will lead to the immediate use of its nuclear weapons by the RA. To be honest, you will not trample on NATO either. The block can quickly concentrate a superior air force against you.
The conclusion is that your troops can only clash on the territory of third countries and only in a neo-colonial conflict. And this is a completely different music.

Whom do you represent under NATO? TRIBALTS can be crossed out immediately. The Germans still remember how to go to Russia. Finland is in no hurry to join NATO and is unlikely to fit in for them. Poland and Romania with "fraternal" Bulgaria also look pretty bad, like everyone else, by the way. And from these cripples will have to collect a gang-watering can.
"to concentrate a superior air force against you." It will take a long time to concentrate. At the expense of superior. It does not take long to thin out. And nobody will wait until it is concentrated.

[Cherry Nine]

)))
This is partly correct logic. In a direct collision, the forces on the theater itself matter, and the mobilization capabilities are not very warm. Moreover, only the United States has the political opportunity to do something quickly, European countries are not capable of this now.

So when and if the problem of Russia is taken seriously, it is necessary to feed the Baltic states with wild animals and Poland. There are three Balts in population - 2/3 of Israel, Poland is generally a fairly large country. Even 2/3 of the Israeli army will be taken out by the RF Armed Forces without any problems, especially on their own field.

Another conversation is that such ideas require determination, time and money from the aggressive NATO bloc. All this is not so much, but especially a little desire to spend it all on the Balts. And in principle this is correct - the same hypothetical Suwalka problem could be solved much easier and more reliably by solving the Old Man, and not laying nuclear bombs in the style of the Fulda Gap in the Lithuanian swamps.

A separate line is the stabilization of Ukraine, not so long ago it seemed promising in terms of expanding Russophobia. But recent events make one doubt that Ukraine can have any military significance, alas.

[Revolver]

IIRC, it was in those regions that the action of the story "The Moment of Truth (August 1944)" took place. And here again ...

[Al Asad]

I think the EU should (must) introduce new sanctions (restrictive measures) against Russia for the very possibility of capturing the Suwalki corridor))

[Radical]

"Suwalki Corridor": the ratio of NATO and Russian forces in a hypothetical clash

There is a headline - but the ratio of forces in the indicated theater of operations is not shown in figures. How many formations, units and military equipment from both sides are currently available? Instead, readers are offered some fragmentary data not related to the general concept. Raw material.
When full comparative calculations on the balance of forces of the sides are given, then we can talk about the possible results of a "hypothetical collision".

[Cherry Nine]

Because the article is about how we throw hats. Extra numbers are not needed here.

But in essence everything is complicated. On the one hand, there is the NATO Response Force, which, on paper, if necessary, within a month should be deployed up to 60 thousand people, 30+ aircraft squadrons. This is serious, even without tanks. The number of combat-ready forces of the Russian Federation is a tremendous state secret.

On the other hand, the current NATO squad looks like this
https://twitter.com/eFPBGLatvia/status/1307631841432670215

It is quite obvious that these people do not quite understand for what purpose they are there. It is quite possible that they expect to hold a gay parade. It's hard to imagine a more pathetic sight than soldiers unarmed.

Considering how NATO has shown itself in serious situations earlier (for example, the commander of the British KFOR Jackson refused to follow the order of the commander of KFOR Clark to remove Yevkurov from Pristina, if necessary - underground) - there are not so many hopes for this whole cheerful company. If the Balts and Poles want to feel confident, they will have to rely more on their own forces, and they are small, especially among the Balts. In the old days, people knew how to live in such situations, but now they have forgotten.

[Engineer]

But in essence everything is complicated

Everything is very simple
Both sides pretend to prepare "in a real way." Both sides make bellicose statements. At the same time, both sides tremble like the last aspen leaf, as if something did not work out. They know too well their real combat capability.

[Cherry Nine]

Quote: Engineer

At the same time, both sides tremble like the last aspen leaf, as if something did not work out. They know too well their real combat capability.

Well, it could be.

[Aitvaras]

That's right, the army, for example. Lithuania is small, several dozen infantry fighting vehicles, jeeps with light weapons, artillery is several. obsolete howitzers with limited ammunition and so on, little things. The main thing is civilian resistance. In the 1991th. thousands of Lithuanians surrounded their parliament and did not scatter after receiving an ultimatum from the military commander of the city, but began to build barricades, reserves with "Molotov cocktails", etc. although they knew about many dead and wounded near the TV tower in Vilnius, in January of that year, they knew that there was a chance against dozens of tanks of the Soviet Army, Pskov paratroopers and gr. They do not have the KGB of the USSR "Alpha" and most of them will die.
During the post-war anti-Soviet armed resistance for several. years Lithuanian partisans fought against the divisions of the NKVD of the USSR. Then in battles with the enemy, several were killed. thousands of Lithuanian partisans, their enemies also suffered similar losses.
So now in Lithuania, detachments of volunteer shooters have been created, with anti-tank weapons, NATO sniper rifles, and most importantly, this is to decisively deflect the freedom and independence of their homeland from the occupiers.

[Cherry Nine]

Quote: Aitvaras

The main thing is civil resistance

Quote: Aitvaras

decisively bar the freedom and independence of their homeland from the occupiers.

Yes you are right. And in the old days, for example, in Austria, work in this direction was well organized. A huge amount of long-barreled weapons in the hands of people, "sleeping" division structures. Unfortunately, I hear very little about the preparation of the same Lithuania in this direction. So the same mistake that Georgia made may be repeated.

[Aitvaras]

I, too, know a little about the "sleeping", but I talked with one of my acquaintances, a volunteer shooter. They are preparing to use anti-tank and anti-aircraft hand missiles at army ranges, many of them are hunters who know their terrain and are good at shooting from their rifles with optics and night devices.It's like a model in Switzerland, many keep military weapons at home. Serious training, many of our military received combat experience as part of NATO in Afghanistan and Iraq, constantly teach shooters methods of modern guerrilla warfare. Our ancestors fought for the freedom of their country during the uprising against the tsarist regime in the 19th century, for the restoration of Lithuania in 1918 th year and in the anti-Soviet resistance.

[Andrey Grad]

Quote: Aitvaras

I, too, know a little about the "sleeping", but I talked with one of my acquaintances, a volunteer shooter. They are preparing to use anti-tank and anti-aircraft hand missiles at army ranges, many of them are hunters who know their terrain and are good at shooting from their rifles with optics and night devices.It's like a model in Switzerland, many keep military weapons at home. Serious training, many of our military received combat experience as part of NATO in Afghanistan and Iraq, constantly teach shooters methods of modern guerrilla warfare. Our ancestors fought for the freedom of their country during the uprising against the tsarist regime in the 19th century, for the restoration of Lithuania in 1918 th year and in the anti-Soviet resistance.

Your ancestors fought, fought for freedom and independence and got a puppet government controlled by mattresses and an economy completely dependent on Brussels, and the people received complete freedom, free to go to work for European masters. Fight on if there are no brains.

[3danimal]

Stop. Now we have our own government.
And 30 years ago they were a region-republic within the USSR, all instructions from the center of which were obligatory.
As well as there were no modern elections, and the lane. the secretary was coordinated / appointed from above.
About freedom to leave. Many Russians have received it. Two of my friends: one in Sweden, the second in the USA, good specialists, good jobs (they left by invitation). They live in much better positions than they could have in Volgograd / Novosibirsk.

got a puppet, mattress-driven government and an economy completely dependent on Brussels

Take Tajikistan as an example: a government heavily dependent on Moscow with a "president for life" and a completely dependent economy. Only it is .. a little smaller (five times!), With three times the population. Well, and the right to work as a laborer in the Russian Federation, for a very modest payment and with the appropriate attitude ("my janitor is Tajik"). You can compare the average salary in these two republics
It looks like you would like to see Lithuania exactly in the position of Tajikistan ..

[Cherry Nine]

Sounds too good to be true, you see.

It is not people who are fighting, albeit with a long barrel. Structures are at war. I strongly doubt that if Lithuania had a full-fledged National Guard (in the American sense), no one would know anything about this. This is money, which means the budget and parliament.

[3danimal]

For a small country seeking to avoid external aggression, the best options are to enter a powerful defensive Organization and form a military force on the Swiss model. So that the resistance could be general and long enough, and the potential aggressor received unacceptable losses.

[gummas]

it was according to the current principle of "territorial defense" that the Lithuanian army was built, but after joining NATO, these balwans changed everything to their standards and as a result we have an army for one battle

[3danimal]

It's sad ... I'll have to study the issue.
Well, at least there are guarantees as a NATO member state and from the US military on the territory of Lithuania.

[gummas]

the contingent of us troops, this is pure window dressing and nothing more. and vobshe they find there bypassing the constitution of Lithuania.

[3danimal]

But having attacked Lithuania, the aggressor will have to shoot at them too. And this is a serious level of consequences.

[Aitvaras]

What a "window dressing" that real events will show. On the territory of Lithuania, besides the United States, there are also combat units of the army of Germany and other countries of our NATO allies. I think if something will knock out their brains to the invaders.

[gummas]

:) apie kokius tu cia "realius ivykius" kalbi? jie net savo technikos nesivargina perdazyti, o tu tikiesi, kad jie gins lietuva?

[viktor.]

You just don't need to fight with us! Do not drink the blood of Mother RUSSIA and everyone will be happy! When trying to destroy Russia, I am FOR to destroy everyone on Mother Earth!

[BUSEYN]

Only a bastard can talk about it HYPOTHETICALLY.
Friends, Abkhazia, Ossetia, Crimea. Donbass. What else to add. This is from the point of view of Europe. I live in the Kaliningrad region. Maybe we will win. But Kaliningraders won't know about it.

[3danimal]

Such people are too narrow-minded, irresponsible and hope that the war will not reach them ("and what is it for me?)

[gummas]

Do not be afraid. while there is no such force around that can threaten you.

[Dzungar]

Why should we, Russia, take this unfortunate "Suwalki corridor" when it is possible to make it so that NATO does not need this corridor at all, due to the absence of those who need to be helped through this corridor ...? Ben Hodges is right ...

[Vadim_888]

Worried? Let the subway be dug, it will be difficult to capture

[gummas]

NATO defense, it's just opium for the people. if you look at the map, then the baltics is a natural cattel in which no one, no one will send. but will begin to build a line of defense on the Vistula or even on the Oder.

[3danimal]

At one time, the Pentagon calculated that, for example, the 82nd Airborne Division of the American army needed at least 72 hours to transfer to this region.

However, what happens when they arrive on the battlefield? Will the Russian army attack American soldiers on the territory of a NATO country? The price will be high.
I put myself in "their" place and .. So much can be done even in a non-military way.
Let me remind you that due to light sanctions after 2014, economic growth fell 2-3 times, initially yielding to the European one.

[obratov]

"To explain to Russophobic anxious Western commanders that we are not going to attack anyone ..." And on whose behalf is the author broadcasting? Who are these "WE", whose opinion is important when making decisions? It seems to me that even the deputies have withdrawn themselves from this kind of burden ... Who are these chatlans?