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Kyrgyzstan. What was prepared for Belarus

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Several readers wrote me angry letters about the fact that I did not warn the public about the unrest in Kyrgyzstan. Others wrote that the events in Kyrgyzstan came as a surprise to everyone, including Moscow. I will just mention in passing about a couple of "independents" who told me that the riots began on Kievskaya Street in Kyrgyz Bishkek and that the Kyrgyz are as freedom-loving as the Ukrainians.


Indeed, events today are developing at such a speed that forecasts become reality before the materials in the press on this issue are forgotten. An excellent example is the events in Belarus and Nagorno-Karabakh. Analytics on these events can be read today without getting into the deep legends of antiquity. Do you remember how some "experts" chuckled about the organizers of the riots from the Polish special services? Today, when this has become a fact, none of these experts "remember" their grins.

To begin with, I will answer the most important question that worries most readers today. Belarus, Kyrgyzstan, next where? And when to expect these events? In my opinion, the next "outbreak of popular anger" will occur on the night of November 1 to 2, 2020. And this will happen in Chisinau. Another such outbreak is very possible in February 2021 in Kazakhstan. It is in these regions that Western NGOs are most active now.

"Unexpected" performances of the Kirghiz


The election campaign, whatever level it may be, activates the country's political elite. If the pro-government parties and those close to the pro-government ones work without haste, in a blind confidence that the power resource is sufficient for victory, those who have no chance of winning are preparing “popular indignation”. So it was in Belarus and so it was in Kyrgyzstan.

The scheme of actions is quite simple. Schematically, it looks like this. Immediately after the end of the elections, it is necessary to take to the streets at least some number of people dissatisfied with the elections. For this purpose, a core of protests is being formed. Remember the first day of the protest in Minsk? In reality, two tens of thousands of people took to the streets, but with the help of "special effects" and massive processing via the Internet, they turned at first into hundreds of thousands, and then into millions. Moreover, even the Belarusians themselves wondered where so many protesters came from.

Further, everything is even easier. We throw in the "real results" of the elections, which were presented by unnamed members of the election commissions, and that's it. The crowd seethed. Ask in the crowd who will "roll" which of them voted for Putin. Nobody! Although, as it seems to me, there are still such. But it's scary to say this in a crowd. You will immediately become an outcast, otherwise you will get in the face.

The continuation is also known. Forceful seizure of parliament, declaring the current government as enemies of the people and establishing a dictatorship of an active minority. With "Yulia, Yulia ..." in a wheelchair in front of the people, with open jail cells and released "political prisoners" with several criminal offenses behind their shoulders ... It's easy to speculate about everything that will happen next. It is enough to look at Ukraine.

But let's get back to the "unexpected events" in Kyrgyzstan. Indeed, reading the press of August-September. you are amazed at the almost complete absence of a realistic picture among experts and political scientists in Kyrgyzstan. The overwhelming majority is confident that nothing out of the ordinary will happen in Bishkek. I even contacted one such specialist. “What kind of revolution? We shed so much blood during our revolutions that today no one will go to the streets for the victory of some politicians ”.

Here is the opinion of political scientist Bakyt Beketayev, expressed in an interview with Sputnik radio:

Undoubtedly, after the events in Belarus our opposition received a certain drive, hence the concern in society. This fuse of protest moods will obviously play its role both during the voting and after the elections - there will always be those dissatisfied with the result, and the opposition will also try to collect dividends on this. But despite this, I think that after the elections the situation will be stable. The fact is that, unlike the Belarusians, we have already passed the stage of revolutions and today people know what the post-coup period threatens - irreparable damage to business, economic decline, and so on.

I perfectly understand "civilian" political scientists. It's scary when blood will be spilled on the streets again. The representatives of the special services do not have such a privilege of fear. As there is no possibility of passing off personal desires as objective information. That is why the opinion of Artur Medetbekov, a former employee of the special services of Kyrgyzstan, ex-deputy chairman of the State Committee for National Security of Kyrgyzstan, Artur Medetbekov, is much more interesting to me:

The risk of protest actions is not excluded due to the fact that at the elections there may be a massive bribery of the electorate. We can all see that the coronavirus situation has severely weakened the economy, and it is clear that people need finance, especially the poor and the middle class. Accordingly, there are many who will try to take advantage of this and bribe voters. Therefore, the result may be dissatisfaction with the election results, which will result in protest actions. Unfortunately, Kyrgyzstan has not yet reached the level of culture for holding such large-scale events as in Belarus.

Note that this was said long before the elections. The opinion of such an informed person, and even expressed publicly, could not remain a secret for the government and the president of Kyrgyzstan. Hence a simple question for the government of Kyrgyzstan. Why did the government allow the defeat of state bodies and a violent change of power in Bishkek and other cities? Why did they treat the security forces the same as in Kiev in 2014?

Why is Kyrgyzstan boiling


I apologize to the readers, but I will not talk about the programs of political parties participating in the elections. To anyone interested, they may well be able to find these parties in the media. But it is worth talking about the balance of power that happened after the elections.

For those who read the materials on the headings and first paragraphs, I will say that nothing unexpected happened during the elections. Those who were supposed to go to the parliament (Jogorku Kesh) of Kyrgyzstan went there. And those who participated in order to then sign the articles "former candidate for deputy" flew by. The parties "Birimdik" and "Mekenim Kyrgyzstan" won. They made up the pro-government majority.

The same thing happened that happened in Belarus. The pro-Western parties suffered a crushing defeat. Now there is almost no pro-American lobby in the Kyrgyz parliament. The opposition flew out of power into the street with a bang. But if you take a closer look at the new composition of parliament, the situation will remind you of the Russian 90s. The number of criminal deputies is off scale ...

Why are the people dissatisfied? I call this the "Russian electoral syndrome." Remember the deputies who wander from one convocation to another, while the electorate, you and I, fire them in the tail and in the mane? I voted for the party's list, in which the great doctor, courageous man Ivanov was in the first place. The second is the great physicist Petrov. On the third - the hero of the last war Sidorov.

And after the elections, it turned out that they all decided to continue working as a doctor, physicist and military leader. And those for whom I did not want to vote went to parliament. Those who gave a little money for campaigning, who are the son, brother, matchmaker of the party leader ... And these idiots will sit in the Duma simply because I cannot withdraw my vote or I don’t want to ...

The same thing happened in the Jogorku Kesh (hereinafter LCD. - Ed.). Comparing the lists of deputies is easier than ours. A total of 120 people. Almost two thirds of them are veterans, representatives of the past. It's just that the certificates will be not the 6th, but the 7th convocation of the JK.

An interesting fact that angered the opposition on the street. This is the passage in the LCD of the party "Butun Kyrgyzstan". The fact is that on October 4 this party was first removed from the elections by the CEC, and then returned to the lists by a court decision. This despite the fact that 16 parties participated.

Following the election results, the alignment of the parties is as follows. 23,85% - the party "Mekenim Kyrgyzstan" ("Motherland Kyrgyzstan"), 23,54% - the party "Birimdik" ("Unity"), 9,32% - the party "Kyrgyzstan", 7,1% - the party "Butun" Kyrgyzstan ”(“ United Kyrgyzstan ”). Officially, the opposition is just "Butun". Although in the last pre-election days there were decent differences between Mekenim and Birimdik. Judging by the almost fight in the debate ...

Was the election fair? It seems to me that this question is not worth a damn. Naturally, on the part of the winners, everything is fair, on the part of the defeated - a lie. I will drop this question simply because if even one or two oppositionists were included in the JK, it would not have changed the overall composition of parliament.

It seems to me that such a quick reaction of the opposition followed because, in my opinion, it made the wrong conclusion about the alliance between Mekenim Kyrgyzstan and Birimdik. If this happens, a parliamentary majority will be formed in this way.

However, I believe that party leaders are not ready for an alliance. In the current situation, one should rather look at those "kids" who will be supported by the giant parties. But even in this case, the majority will be unstable. The opponents will be roughly equal in strength.

Now events are developing rapidly. The opposition occupied the parliament building and a number of government buildings. The leaders of the Mekenim party were arrested. A coal mining enterprise has been seized by unknown persons. According to my information, the Kyrgyzkomur enterprise was seized by the thief in law Sayak, in the world M. Kadyrkulov. More than half a million soms have disappeared from the cash register.

Earlier, a gold processing enterprise was seized. Who is still unknown. This is the only refinery in the country that refines gold. It is located in Kara-Balta.

A commandant has been appointed in Bishkek. It was Kursan Asanov, who is also acting Minister of Internal Affairs. In short, every minute there are messages about the next actions of the opposition.

It seems to me that now the goal of everyone, both winners and losers, is to appoint a new prime minister. This means a new government. This will largely determine the country's course for the coming years.

Again blood and devastation


Today in Kyrgyzstan we see the scenario that was prepared for Belarus. At the time of this writing, the opposition has already elected a new prime minister at a meeting in the Dustuk hotel. It was Sadyr Japarov. Acting Prime Minister Kubatbek Boronov, under pressure from the opposition, resigned. The police went over to the side of the rebels and are now working together with the people's militias.

The speaker of the parliament Dastan Dzhumabekov did the same. At the same Dustuk hotel he resigned. The head of the CEC of the Kyrgyz Republic Nurzhan Shildabekova wanted to do the same, but the members of the CEC did not agree with her decision. Thus, the CEC of the Kyrgyz Republic in its entirety officially announced that the last elections were invalidated.

And what about the president? The President plays his part:

Last night, some political forces tried to illegally seize state power. Using the election results as a pretext, they disrupted public order. They disrupted the peaceful life of the townspeople. They disobeyed law enforcement officers, beat doctors and damaged buildings ...
Calmness in the state, stability of society are more valuable than any deputy mandate ... I urge the leaders of political parties to calm down their supporters and take them away from their places of concentration. I call on all my compatriots to keep the peace and not give in to the calls of the provocative forces.

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  1. military_cat
    military_cat 7 October 2020 05: 33
    +1
    Was the election fair? It seems to me that this question is not worth a damn.

    Do you even have self-respect?
    1. Deniska999
      Deniska999 7 October 2020 06: 41
      +8
      Yes, the Americans / Chinese / Turks swears are to blame (emphasize what you like). Rocking the boat, you see
      1. Bashkirkhan
        Bashkirkhan 7 October 2020 06: 52
        +8
        In Kyrgyzstan, everything is pretty much like Latin America of the 60s. Or Africa. In a day, they overthrew one "junta" and put another "junta" in the chair, already the fourth or fifth in a row. Yesterday, Sadyr Japarov, who was serving time in the colony, has already become the prime minister of Kyrgyzstan. Japarov spent a term for taking hostage of one of the governors in 2013. For some time he was hiding abroad. In 2018, he received 11,5 years in prison.
        1. Tatyana
          Tatyana 7 October 2020 12: 31
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          Russian political scientists, represented by Sergei Mikheev, note that some countries from the former Soviet socialist republics of the USSR have historically not grown to become real national states. They historically inherited statehood from the Bolshevik-Leninists, like manna from heaven, as a gift to which they themselves with its clan-feudal way of life - have not yet matured historically. And it got at the expense of the Russian people. Namely.

          In other words. In some Soviet Socialist Republics, the so-called "titular nationalities" never had their own statehood before the Soviet regime. These so-called. "titular" peoples lived clannishly. Those. feudal-clan relations and inter-clan struggle prevailed there, and there were no classical class political parties there.
          And now, in these countries, not developed political parties dominate, as such, as in Europe, namely, various clans, which are organized crime groups, as remnants of feudalism.
          It is this surviving clan - politically non-state - mentality of the people that the Western special services use for STATE REVOROTOV in these countries in their favor.
          Hence, the local national "titular" clans and their criminal authorities are at the top of power in the country.
          1. Tatyana
            Tatyana 7 October 2020 15: 07
            +6
            For my part, I have already written the following about the disintegrated USSR.

            The development of Soviet Russia - the first socialist in the world. State was twofold - CONFLICT - character.
            On the one hand, the Russian people, who believed in the communist. the idea of ​​the Bolshevik-Leninists, and. being the bearer of a DOMINANT, not a small-town-outskirts national mentality, on all fronts of the public. construction really created socialism within the entire country as its entire multinational. Homeland. In principle, he had nothing left to do.
            But at the same time, on the other hand, in the former tsarist nat. outskirts, where feudal relations and their own nat. the proletariat was absent (there were no carriers of the proletarian mentality there), power from the Bolshevik-Leninists and under their control received the petty national bourgeoisie and former local feudal lords.
            National industry was built by the hands of Russian and Russian-speaking peoples.
            In this case, everything that was created truly national for the years of the Council. power in the once backward tsarist nat. suburbs - it is only the local national party and Soviet bureaucracy, as well as the national creative intelligentsia that serves it (social scientists, writers, artists, etc.).
            This nat. the party and Soviet bureaucracy and the intelligentsia objectively retained the national bourgeois-feudal mentality not only in relation to their own working people, but also in relation to those who came, in their opinion, "to hump the Russians on them" up to the time of the so-called Gorbachev's "new thinking".

            TOTAL national problems in the USSR were not only from the very beginning of Soviet power, but also had a national-bourgeois class character in relation to the Russian people. BUT 1991 counter-bourgeois coup in the USSR generally only raised from the bottom to the surface the national-bourgeois deformations that had already taken place during the construction of socialism in Russia, which the Soviet leadership tried not to give wide publicity.
            1. aybolyt678
              aybolyt678 8 October 2020 13: 19
              +1
              Quote: Tatiana
              And the counterbourgeois coup of 1991 in the USSR as a whole

              +++ everything is fine, only the coup was just bourgeois. All the hidden bourgeoisie, party - trade, which has access to the distribution of material goods, suddenly legalized
              1. Tatyana
                Tatyana 8 October 2020 13: 36
                -1
                Quote: aybolyt678
                +++ everything is fine, only the coup was just bourgeois.

                A bourgeois coup can take place after feudalism.
                In this case, I call the coup precisely counter-bourgeois by analogy with the Bolsheviks, who called such coups "counter-revolutionary" and "counter-bourgeois" when White tried to suppress Soviet power and the socialist system.
                1. aybolyt678
                  aybolyt678 8 October 2020 16: 27
                  +1
                  then the counter-communist or counter-socialist
        2. Doliva63
          Doliva63 7 October 2020 20: 50
          +3
          I think I saw him at a nearby construction site.
      2. nnm
        nnm 7 October 2020 07: 04
        0
        Can you name at least one fact of "swinging" in which these powers would not have noted their participation?
        1. parma
          parma 7 October 2020 08: 32
          +2
          Quote: nnm
          Can you name at least one fact of "swinging" in which these powers would not have noted their participation?

          Have you read the Strugatskys? They have a wonderful phrase in their work, "The hypothesis of God, for example, gives an incomparable opportunity to understand absolutely everything, knowing absolutely nothing ... Give a person an extremely simplified system of the world and interpret any event on the basis of this simplified model. This approach does not require No knowledge. A few learned formulas plus so-called intuition, so-called practical cunning and so-called common sense. ".. You can believe as much as you like in American spies-creatures of evil and our knights in shining armor, but this will not be true ... Where no problem, there is no "swinging", and where (almost everywhere in the CIS) there are only braces, there is ...
          1. nnm
            nnm 7 October 2020 08: 34
            -1
            As I understand it, you will not provide a specific list of such countries?
            1. Lannan Shi
              Lannan Shi 7 October 2020 09: 46
              +6
              Quote: nnm
              As I understand it, you will not provide a specific list of such countries?

              For example the United States. After the Trump election. Where they got busy quite seriously, and quite a long time. Only the State Department, led by Trump, had a hand in protests against Trump.
              A common feature of the post-Soviet elites is simply fantastic contempt for the people. Remind Gref? With his sayings that the people should be stupid and obedient? They do not hesitate to speak openly. Yes. He also had the same fantastic confidence in his God-chosenness. Well, he sang along with the pro-elite people with the same diagnosis. In August, in a discussion on Belarus, to an extremely simple question - can the Belarusians choose anyone, according to the constitution, or just a basket, at our request, not a single intelligible answer of pseudo-patriots. Mumbling in style - but the State Department, but will sell Belarus for 3 kopecks, well, and other nonsense. Against the background of such behavior of the elites, and they sang along, the lid of the boiler and rips off.
              Just pay attention to the very beginning of the article. In Minsk, a maximum of a couple of tens of thousands of protests came out .... Yeah. Against the background of photos and videos, where at the same time many times more gets into the frames. So people, for 30 years, have had their fill of such ... news and analyzes. The patient is running out. But, of course, it is not such pro-government mouthpieces that are to blame, lying insolently, cynically, systematically. The State Department is to blame.
              1. domokl
                7 October 2020 10: 03
                +5
                Quote: Lannan Shi
                In Minsk, a maximum of a couple of tens of thousands of protests came out .... Yeah. Against the background of photos and videos, where at the same time many times more gets into the frames.

                Sorry to interfere. But look at the interview given by the owner of Nekhta Dusyu or Dudyu. There he openly said about this stuffing
              2. nnm
                nnm 7 October 2020 10: 04
                +1
                Perfectly....
                Question:
                - in which countries that have survived the color revolutions, the United States has not been noted for its participation?

                Answer:
                - in USA!!!

                Bravo, colleague !!!! With your answer, you simply short-circuited the logical connections of my thought process. Reminded an anecdote (although, rather, true):
                - in which country is a color revolution impossible?
                - in USA!
                - ?!
                - but because only there is no US Embassy!
                1. Lannan Shi
                  Lannan Shi 7 October 2020 11: 27
                  +9
                  Quote: nnm
                  Bravo, colleague !!!! With your answer, you simply short-circuited the logical connections of my thought process.

                  Oki. Short-circuited, so I'll try to short-circuit.
                  1. Mass protest is a sign of the presence of extremely serious problems in society.
                  2. A mass protest without such problems is basically impossible. History does not seem to know this.
                  3. If there are serious problems in society, and the elite does not want to solve them ... Then who are you an evil Cheburashka? The blame for the revolution, albeit extremely peaceful and colorful, albeit prohibitively bloody and cannibalistic, will not be on the State Department, but on the country's elite.
                  4. Don't want revolutions? Build at least a relatively fair society. Not necessarily super rich, super social, etc. It is just fair. In which it is profitable to plow and not to protest.
                  5. Blame everyone for their problems except ourselves .... The most frank infantilism. I understand, and at 60 it is comfortable to be a child of six. Comfortable, but irrational.
                  Dixi.
                  1. Alsur
                    Alsur 7 October 2020 14: 05
                    +8
                    Arab revolution in Libya. A welfare state where every citizen of the country was paid a rent for oil. The Libyans were the desire of clients in medical institutions in Europe, etc. The price of oil has fallen, it is necessary to tighten the belts, the price of oil is not formed by Libya's favor. Wait until prices return and continue living as before. All the same, at least a lot, at least a little, but this is money for free.
                    No, they staged a revolution and now they live poorly, without a chance to live better. Oil profits are now going where they should be.
                    1. Lannan Shi
                      Lannan Shi 7 October 2020 15: 59
                      +3
                      Quote: ALSur
                      Arab revolution in Libya. A welfare state where every citizen of the country was paid a rent for oil.

                      Could you share the source? Well, just not at the level of tales from the Internet. In style - one of the waters worked there as a nurse and told. I read the famous fake listing megatons of benefits. Yeah. But I have a nasty habit. Turn the numbers back and forth. Somehow, at my leisure, I took and estimated the costs of social services, according to the very fake. A funny picture turned out. On social services, annually, an amount should have gone significantly exceeding the size of the budget of Libya. yes
                      Quote: ALSur
                      Libyans have been desired by clients in medical institutions in Europe, etc.

                      Let's clarify. Not just Libyans, but Libyans of the Gaddafi clan. Just one word, and the picture changes dramatically. Yet again. Will the reference be difficult? The facts about mass customers from ordinary Libyans? And then ... Russians are now also welcome clients both in clinics in Europe and among London real estate dealers, but .... But Vasya Pupkin, from a crop failure, doesn't make life easier.
                      Quote: ALSur
                      Wait until prices return and continue living as before.

                      And as before, how exactly? Open the numbers on the Libyan economy. Before the start of the mess published. In principle, there are no milk rivers or jelly banks there. Unemployment is 30%. Do you realize the number? thirty! Every third, if chu. Do you understand the essence of the problem? Every third person has no future at all. Anyone. In addition to the social security rations. This is, on average, one in three. Among young people 30 out of 4. Inflation, with a deficit-free budget, is up to 5%. And inflation is a falling standard of living. By the way. In a prosperous 16 - 2008%. In no less prosperous 10.5 - 2005% of those living below the poverty level. Simply put - beggars starving to death. For all that, there are more than 7.5 billion of official reserves, three budgets of the country, and from 100 to 100 unofficial ones. 200 to 3 more budgets. Polish the picture with the lifestyle of the Gaddafi himself, with golden tents, harems, complete disregard for everyone and everything. And the milky jelly image of Libya fades somewhat. On the one hand, he was once a good person, but at the moment with the roof completely gone, out of a sense of his own worth, walking into a golden pot, getting used to from 6 to 6 budgets of the country, and ready to let them down on his whims. On the other hand, almost every tenth is a beggar, and 9 out of 4 young people have no future at all. Are you sure there was no reason to riot in Libya? Yes. And don't forget liberalization. Held in Libya since 5 or 2002. About which for some reason they shyly keep silent, so as not to stain the popular image. Quite in the style of our liberalization of the 2003s. Maybe she was the last straw. Not everyone, like us, is inclined to look complacently as what they have created by their own hands is taken away to private storehouses.
                      PS
                      It is not worth taking on faith everything spoken by our media. By the degree of unscrupulousness and deceit, they have long caught up with the American ones. Yes, and perhaps overtook. And I will repeat myself. There are no revolutions without internal reasons. If you are told about this ... So you are lying. Impudent and cynical.
                  2. Pravodel
                    Pravodel 7 October 2020 14: 43
                    -3
                    Oki. Short-circuited, so I'll try to short-circuit ...

                    Here's a very fresh thought:
                    Blame everyone for your problems except yourself ... The frankest infantilism

                    Sorry, madam, but such statements are something new in social science, political economy, etc. I dare to assure you that any society always exists as a just society, another thing, for whom ?. Even the 3rd Reich, built by a little Austrian, was also fair, but not for everyone. The problem of revolutions is not in the justice / injustice of society, but in those internal connections on the basis of which society is created and built, equally, the correspondence of the internal structure - the form of society to the level of development of the society itself. If the form of a social structure corresponds to the level of development, then such societies and communities are difficult to revolutionize, although they do, and if the form does not correspond to level p, then the revolution arises inevitably under the influence of internal or external reasons.
                    At the same time, it is necessary to understand that in any society there is never a complete correspondence between the form of social structure and the level of development of the society itself. The form of social structure as a subjective part always lags behind the level of development of society itself, its objective part. This, in turn, determines the presence of contradictions in society that objectively do not have a confrontational character and can be calmly resolved within the boundaries of society itself. Another thing is that since societies exist in the environment of other societies, a given society is always influenced not only by internal, but also by external influence, which can lead to a complete loss of the existing social form, structure. In this sense, not only internal contradictions, but also pressure from outside can lead to the development of revolutions and upheavals, which is just now being observed with the example of color revolutions. Moreover, the color revolutions themselves are not today's inventions. Suffice it to recall 68, the student riots in France, as a result of which French President De Gaulle was forced to resign, constant, over the years, regime change in Latin America. Taking into account past experience, the methodology of color revolutions has been brought to perfection and allows you to shake any state. It's another matter whether this buildup will come to a revolution and the overthrow of the regime, this is determined by the factors described above.
                    Sorry for such a long answer. But brevity is not always the sister of talent.
                  3. forester1971
                    forester1971 7 October 2020 16: 53
                    +3
                    If it does not make it difficult, name at least one fairly large country where there are no problems in society.
                    Mass protests can be organized in any country, including those with a relatively fair structure. There are enough examples of this.
                    The dissatisfied are everywhere. The only question is their organization for the protest.
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                  5. Stas Sv
                    Stas Sv 7 October 2020 20: 34
                    0
                    https://youtu.be/HHMeYF0q0H8
                  6. helvetic
                    helvetic 11 October 2020 18: 43
                    0
                    Another delirium of a man who taught the lessons of history poorly. Any revolution is cannibalism (economic, political, social, when the destinies of millions, usually innocent ones) are destroyed, and epithets are just an attempt to cover it up.
              3. lucul
                lucul 7 October 2020 11: 25
                +2
                Only the State Department, led by Trump, had a hand in protests against Trump.

                Nope - Zionists, but you are always modestly silent about them)))
                As Joe Biden said - "you don't have to be a Jew to be a Zionist")))
          2. sniperino
            sniperino 7 October 2020 10: 39
            +2
            Quote: parma
            Give a person an extremely simplified system of the world and interpret any event on the basis of this simplified model.
            To do this, it is not at all necessary to resort to the very complex idea of ​​God. Panpsychism, for example, is enough for all explanations that do not pretend to be systematic.
            Quote: parma
            Where there are no problems, there are no "rocking"
            Isn't this a simplification? Judging by the events, the biggest problems are growing in the USA: the buildup is not childish there. Is France in second place? Everything is stable in Ukraine, the torchlight processions of the authorities do not threaten - know the problem ... And what is the "problem" in Belarus: the critical frequency of presidential flickering? the people keenly desired the flickering of new faces in the political kaleidoscope? In order not to get confused in these complexities, the United States has adopted a strategy of controlled chaos and an explanatory model, "Russia and Putin personally are ultimately to blame for everything. By quoting" rocking ", you want to pretend that the strategy of controlled chaos, coupled with its main method - color revolutions - does not exist, or does it not work?
            1. parma
              parma 7 October 2020 11: 48
              +5
              Quote: sniperino
              To do this, it is not at all necessary to resort to the very complex idea of ​​God. Panpsychism, for example, is enough for all explanations that do not pretend to be systematic.

              This is just a quote from the classics, the creators of which were recognized on both sides of the Iron Curtain and never really criticized any of the systems ...
              Quote: sniperino
              Isn't this a simplification? Judging by the events, the biggest problems are growing in the USA: the buildup is not childish there. Is France in second place? Everything is stable in Ukraine, the torchlight processions of the authorities do not threaten - know the problem ... And what is the "problem" in Belarus: the critical frequency of presidential flickering? the people keenly desired the flickering of new faces in the political kaleidoscope? In order not to get confused in these complexities, the United States has adopted a strategy of controlled chaos and an explanatory model, "Russia and Putin personally are ultimately to blame for everything. By quoting" rocking ", you want to pretend that the strategy of controlled chaos, coupled with its main method - color revolutions - does not exist, or does it not work?

              You are right, with the phrase "where there are no problems" I gave a blunder, choosing the wrong words ... It meant the absence of usurpation of power (or rather, its concentration in one hand or in a circle of people), the permissiveness of those in power, the presence of an actual choice of alternatives in elections, domination law in the end ... You are right to say that the Americans (or other external forces) have nothing to do with it, this is a kind of simplification. External forces (and not always states) always play one role or another, but they never play the leading role! Without the presence of those who want to go to the protests, the protests themselves will not be ... And the "buildup" is different ... In the USA and France, protests are not anti-government, and in my humble opinion they are not particularly different from the strikes of trade unions (air traffic controllers, for example), they are aimed at defending the rights of certain categories of citizens ... It is precisely the absence of usurpation / concentration in the same hands with impunity and the absence of demands for a change of power (only to change the policy of power) and is the absence of a forceful response from the country's leadership ... In the states, the military and police directly state - "presidents replace each other, but the population of the country remains" and refuse to use force ... In France (although LJ is now not only there), you need to divide the protesters into those who fight for their rights and those who want to rob, with the appropriate actions of the security forces .. In Belarus, the opposite is true ... Moreover, the head of state flew over the city with a weapon (!) In his hands and promised to almost bury the dissatisfied ...
              Regarding the creation and management of chaos, it is possible to create chaos only where there is no alternative, where power is concentrated in the hands of a handful of people who diligently cleanse competitors in the bud. let's go back 10 years - the two neighboring countries Egypt and Libya ... In both countries there was a revolution, in both countries there was a dictatorship, but different .. In one case, the leader, I understand the situation, found an alternative for himself (and not so much about the American ), threw away his dreams of the greatness of his rule and handed over power ... In another country, the leader believed in his greatness, continued until the last second to try to hold on to power ... What are the differences between the deaths of Mubarak and Gaddafi (although I always sympathized with him) I think and you know ...
              1. sniperino
                sniperino 7 October 2020 13: 40
                -1
                Quote: parma
                Without the presence of those wishing to protest, the protests themselves will not be.
                If possible, ask a group of students a question: "Who wants to protest against the actions of the authorities, who are quarantining you and taking away your pensions, for all the good things, instead of classes for the next week?" If "good students with excellent students" believe that the dean and the rector are in the know and do not mind, you will receive approximate statistics of "those who wish." And if you add 1 USD per hour of peaceful protests, you will be able to calculate how much it will cost about a rally of thousands of "those wishing to protest." Inexpensive: More is spent on goofy campaign ads for different candidates.
                1. Vlad_S
                  Vlad_S 7 October 2020 17: 50
                  +3
                  And the protests in Russia at the beginning of the XNUMXth century are different? And the Decembrists? Did they all go beyond the Reichsmarks too?
                  1. helvetic
                    helvetic 11 October 2020 18: 45
                    0
                    Most of the leaders - for imported ideas, which were a priori impossible to pull on Russia. The result is the death of people.
            2. Terrible GMO
              Terrible GMO 7 October 2020 14: 08
              -1
              Quote: sniperino
              And what is the "problem" in Belarus: the critical frequency of presidential flickering? the people keenly desired the flickering of new faces in the political kaleidoscope?

              Political terror, legal default, complete impunity for "power" bodies, inaction of the prosecutor's office, complete disregard for the constitution, complete impunity and inaction of officials (shoot a person, and after a couple of months house arrest in a new chair? How else), insults of all segments of the population (well , except for "ratsauts").

              The third devaluation is on the horizon, the default is on the horizon, $ 50 billion in debt is already right here, the decreasing salary, the destruction of private business, the complete denial of the coronavirus with false statistics (1000 infected per day, 5 die, 100 infected, 5 die), complete collapse of everything, for voicing problems - arrests and intimidation (as was the case during the first wave of the crown),
              billions thrown out on the tsatzki marasmatics with his ice palaces, 17 residences, a second private plane and other fun.
              About everything that happened before the elections, about falsifications and forgery, I just keep quiet.

              Honestly, continue? Or is it all falshchyuka from Poland and for 30 bel rubles hundreds of thousands come out?
              1. helvetic
                helvetic 11 October 2020 18: 48
                0
                Yes, yes, Worgaming was drawn in the country from the talents of its creators. Devaluation is significantly less than in Ukrostan, and employment is higher. And (which is important for any normal person) - bkb rag is not a state flag.
          3. Torins
            Torins 7 October 2020 10: 46
            +1
            Where there are no problems, there are no "rocking"

            Where are there no problems? Does such a country even exist? Something seems to me not the kind of works you chose for yourself to understand the world :)
          4. lucul
            lucul 7 October 2020 11: 29
            -3
            You can believe as much as you like in American spies-creatures of evil and our knights in shining armor, but this will not be true ...

            Are we breeding chutzpu again? )))
            Or do you again take electricity from the outlet, but how is it delivered there - we don't even know about it? )))
          5. Kart
            Kart 8 October 2020 11: 21
            +1
            Quote: parma
            Give a person an extremely simplified system of the world and interpret any event on the basis of this simplified model. This approach does not require any knowledge. Several learned formulas plus so-called intuition, so-called practical sense and so-called common sense. "..

            So this is word for word about brainwashing the opposition's cannon fodder! Ordinary fighters with regimen are poured into their heads according to this scheme.
      3. Viktor Sergeev
        Viktor Sergeev 8 October 2020 23: 49
        +1
        No, people just wander about for someone they don't give a damn about.
    2. lucul
      lucul 7 October 2020 11: 22
      -1
      Do you even have self-respect?

      And you ? )))
      1. Kart
        Kart 8 October 2020 11: 23
        +1
        With his narrow perception of reality, he just personifies what you said.
        With them, this is exactly how everything is arranged in the cranial opposition organ - everyone who is not with them is against them.
  2. Far B
    Far B 7 October 2020 05: 37
    12
    Equalizing the causes and pathogens of protests in Kyrgyzstan and Belarus is fundamentally wrong, IMHO.
    In general, the main message of the article is "We do not want it to be like in Kyrgyzstan / Belarus / Ukraine." This means that we all need to unite, tighten the braces - and next fall amicably vote for EdRo. The author of this creation is immediately guessed.
    1. Pravodel
      Pravodel 7 October 2020 06: 56
      +7
      next fall, amicably vote for EdRo. The author of this creation is immediately guessed

      Dear, you have already very superficially read what has been written. This is not about a friendly vote, but about how to prevent the Maidan in Russia, similar to the Maidan in Ukraine, Belaya Rus, Georgia and now in Kyrgyzstan.
      The author just writes that in order to prevent the Maidan, it is necessary to cleanse the government of crime, of bribe-takers, which is gradually being done in Russia. Not as fast as we would like, but it is being done ... Here is a quote for you:
      I voted for the list of the party, in which the great doctor, courageous man Ivanov was in the first place. The second is the great physicist Petrov. On the third - the hero of the last war, Sidorov .... after the elections it turned out that they all decided to continue working as a doctor, physicist and military leader. And those for whom I did not want to vote went to parliament. Those who gave a little money for campaigning, who are the son, brother, matchmaker of the party leader ...

      Therefore, read correctly and do not wash out for the author, but rather write something of your own. We will read and appreciate what has been written ... Only I urge you to wash your hands before eating in order to avoid poisoning by the "novice" like "bulk", and do not drink cold tap water ...
      1. Alexander Dolgov
        Alexander Dolgov 7 October 2020 07: 57
        12
        It's funny. The power itself pushes the people to the barricades. All laws are against the people. The elections are ridiculous. Almost everyone needs to be cleaned. And they will not allow it. About Navalny, the authorities themselves are promoting this. See what awaits you if we leave. A disgusting person, for whom only if you get used to and get drunk, put a daw in the wrong place.
        1. sheridans
          sheridans 7 October 2020 08: 13
          -9
          No, dear, your post does not fit. under my vision of the situation. Therefore, a minus.
        2. Kart
          Kart 8 October 2020 11: 25
          0
          Quote: Alexander Dolgov
          See what awaits you if we leave.

          And they are right, it will be so.
          Surprise, right?
          Your gurus tell you that we will immediately heal like cheese in butter.
          1. Alexander Dolgov
            Alexander Dolgov 15 October 2020 15: 32
            0
            I have no guru. They will not let fresh people in. So don't worry nobody will leave. But if they are thrown off, then you are right, the initial ones will come and sell everything.
      2. lucul
        lucul 7 October 2020 11: 36
        +1
        The author just writes that in order to prevent the Maidan, it is necessary to cleanse the government of crime, of bribe-takers, which is gradually being done in Russia. Not as fast as we would like, but it is being done ...

        Nonsense, I explain on my fingers:
        The Greeks, too, for centuries "cleared the government of criminals" or is it "you say this - or is the gold of the Persians speaking in you?" Classic! For centuries, the Persians, among the Greeks, caused confusion in the country, and the Greeks could not do anything about it.
        Until Alexander the Great appeared and put an end to this issue, in the capital of the Persians - in Babylon. And the Greater Persians never bothered the Greeks, and corruption in Greece suddenly disappeared ...
        And if Alexander took up the fight against corruption in the country, then the Persians would have troubled the Greeks to this day))))
        The moral is that you don't have to fight the hydra - you need to destroy once and for all the decision-making center directed against your country - roughly speaking, the customer)))
    2. nnm
      nnm 7 October 2020 07: 05
      +4
      That is, the question of what, in fact, you want to replace the conventional EdRo with the Democratic Party of the United States does not interest you in principle?
      Or is it all the same who, if only not these?
      1. 2 Level Advisor
        2 Level Advisor 7 October 2020 08: 24
        +8
        Why are you just talking about the United States, other options are not considered at all? if not the United States of America? EDRO is the last stronghold of Russia? if not EDRO, then who? so what?
        in fact, everything is already suitable for many - it doesn't matter who, but if only it is not EDRO and this is clearly not the fault of the people ..
        and the absence of any "foreign agents" in the elections should be provided by the special services, not the EDRO with cartoons .. and to ensure not the victory of EDRA, but the absence of agents .. So, in your opinion, they are not able to do this?
        1. nnm
          nnm 7 October 2020 08: 30
          +1
          And what, in the countries you cited as an example, is there a different ultimate beneficiary of coups? Let me tell you, then, who is this initiator, source of funding and ultimate beneficiary? I am happy to discover something new! And please, just do not answer that they are the "people" of Ukraine, Kyrgyzstan or Belarus.
        2. Serg65
          Serg65 7 October 2020 11: 55
          -1
          Quote: Level 2 Advisor
          if not EDRO, then who?

          And really .. who?
      2. Kronos
        Kronos 7 October 2020 10: 21
        +1
        For example, I want to replace edro honest communists not from the Communist Party.
        1. Serg65
          Serg65 7 October 2020 12: 27
          0
          Quote: Kronos
          I want to replace the honest communists

          And who are honest communists?
          1. Kronos
            Kronos 8 October 2020 11: 35
            0
            Semin, Rudoy.
            1. Serg65
              Serg65 8 October 2020 13: 33
              0
              Quote: Kronos
              Semin

              Marxist-communist ... this is already annoying! So is he a Marxist or a communist? Communist as simple as steamed potatoes is Semin's statement ... and is he a communist in your opinion? Also honest?
              Quote: Kronos
              Ore

              belay This boy is a real communist ???? But!!!
            2. Quadro
              Quadro 10 October 2020 00: 49
              -1
              Quote: Kronos
              Semin, Rudoy.

              Seriously?! You better ask Semin why his relatives live in the USA and he himself has a residence permit there and now lives there. But he advocates a "world revolution". The ice ax begs. Skillful manipulator and hypocrite. How to find a place for your relatives in the USA - that's how it happened and in general "it's different." And as relatives of officials and oligarchs - uuu traitors. Lives in the USA and campaigns for a revolution in Russia. Surprisingly simple. Ore - so generally funny, with its nonsense about Russian imperialism, it turns out, according to its logic, was Soviet imperialism, tk. tried to build everyone for himself. In general, we do not have any communists, only shape-shifters, hypocrites and hidden traitors. These are no better than edra, they just tell beautifully, until they are at the trough.
              1. Kronos
                Kronos 10 October 2020 14: 38
                0
                Semin is divorced by his wife who took her daughter away. Suddenly in Russia capitalism with ambitions is therefore imperialism for the Russian.
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        3. your1970
          your1970 8 October 2020 07: 01
          +1
          Quote: Kronos
          For example, I want to replace edro honest communists not from the Communist Party.

          And how will you HONESTY define ??? !!! Define NOT honesty is simple enough - by what criteria and criteria will you determine honesty?
          By promises?
          By program? Tikhanovskaya in program wrote that "Highly qualified managers will work with unprofitable enterprises" - and Belarusians still do not understand what this means ...
          Due to the absence of criminal cases?
          Doesn't take bribes? So they haven't given it yet ...

          Honesty criteria are easily verified - tell me !!!!!
      3. Torins
        Torins 7 October 2020 10: 53
        0
        According to this principle, they voted for Tikhanovskaya in the Republic of Belarus)))
    3. helvetic
      helvetic 11 October 2020 18: 52
      0
      Yeah, think two steps ahead - is it for multicellular organisms? Any booze in the post-Soviet space is a loss for Russia (money will be taken from our budget in one way or another, whether through a military operation, like dill, or through credit, like Belarus). Therefore, the only thing that is really needed in the near zone is dead silence. And here EdRo? Oh yeah, nothing to do with it.
  3. Pessimist22
    Pessimist22 7 October 2020 05: 43
    12
    Knowing the Central Asian mentality and living here for many years, this is a clan struggle no more.
    1. domokl
      7 October 2020 05: 58
      +4
      Quote: Pessimist22
      , this is a struggle of clans no more.

      You are right to some extent. Fighting north and south. The southerners won the elections. But the losing northerners control the security forces. Most of the commanders and chiefs of power structures are from the northern clans. That is why the militia so easily went under the control of the opposition. And the leaders of the southerners were arrested immediately ...
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 7 October 2020 06: 05
        +3
        Quote: domokl
        Fighting north and south. The southerners won the elections. But the losing northerners control the security forces.

        In general, don't give a damn about what's going on in Kyrgyzstan.
        1. Deniska999
          Deniska999 7 October 2020 06: 39
          0
          And let the crowds of migrants rush to us on an even larger scale ...
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 7 October 2020 06: 42
            +8
            Quote: Deniska999
            And let the crowds of migrants rush to us on an even larger scale ...

            They are already mulberries. They have paid childbirth. Doctors recommend going to Russia, which they do.
            1. Serg65
              Serg65 7 October 2020 12: 01
              +1
              Quote: Mordvin 3
              They have paid childbirth

              laughing Vova, well done!
              1. Mordvin 3
                Mordvin 3 7 October 2020 12: 09
                0
                Quote: Serg65
                Vova, well done!

                What's wrong? recourse
                1. Serg65
                  Serg65 7 October 2020 12: 14
                  +1
                  Quote: Mordvin 3
                  What's wrong?

                  The price of a paid delivery is several times cheaper than a ticket to Russia ...
                  The poor give birth for free + a standard set of thanks ... from a box of chocolates to a ram .... something like that! wink
                  1. Mordvin 3
                    Mordvin 3 7 October 2020 12: 18
                    0
                    Quote: Serg65
                    The price of a paid delivery is several times cheaper than a ticket to Russia ...

                    The AIF wrote about this. And my aunt worked as a nurse in Moscow, saying that all maternity hospitals were overwhelmed with Kyrgyz women.
                    1. Serg65
                      Serg65 7 October 2020 12: 30
                      0
                      Quote: Mordvin 3
                      Kyrgyz women fill up all maternity hospitals

                      Kyrgyz women who are either already citizens of the Russian Federation, or work in the Russian Federation, possibly even at the first stage of pregnancy, but this is unlikely ... they conceived in the Russian Federation.
                      1. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 7 October 2020 12: 33
                        -1
                        Quote: Serg65
                        in the Russian Federation and conceived.

                        No no. They fly in their Kyrgyzstan, and then they go to give birth to us. Fortunately, we are free.
                      2. Serg65
                        Serg65 7 October 2020 12: 47
                        0
                        Quote: Mordvin 3
                        They fly in their Kyrgyzstan, and then they go to give birth to us.

                        laughing Well, if you like it better ... so be it!
                      3. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 7 October 2020 12: 54
                        0
                        Quote: Serg65
                        Well, if you like it better ...

                        I don't like this. They ... are friends with lice.
                        By the way, I don’t understand what is wrong with the site? Brakes not childishly, and "my comments" does not show. What the heck?
                      4. Serg65
                        Serg65 7 October 2020 12: 56
                        +2
                        Quote: Mordvin 3
                        Brakes not childishly

                        the same bullshit!
                      5. Reptiloid
                        Reptiloid 7 October 2020 16: 40
                        +1
                        To see your comment, dear comrades, you have to look from your profile, look here and there ....... then back to the article ... yes, some innovations are incomprehensible? request request
    2. Comrade Kim
      Comrade Kim 7 October 2020 06: 47
      +4
      They slaughtered Russians in their suddenly independent "camps" in the 90s.
      Now Russians are being tortured and slaughtered here:

      “In Yekaterinburg, two migrants kidnapped and tortured a pensioner to find out where his savings were kept. A law enforcement source told URA.RU.”
    3. Alexander Dolgov
      Alexander Dolgov 7 October 2020 08: 02
      +1
      Let the independent live themselves. I look at them everything is fine. Let them have fun
    4. Yngvar
      Yngvar 7 October 2020 08: 35
      0
      In addition to the fact that they will "rush" to Russia, increasing the crime situation and other "charms" (in the form of the Taliban and other ISIS), the smoldering conflict over the territory of the Fergana Valley foothills will flare up ... The rehearsal was already in the first post-perestroika years. In the Batken region, they were massacred by families, either from the Uzbeks or from the Kyrgyz! I guess both sides have not forgotten this ...
  4. your1970
    your1970 8 October 2020 07: 06
    +1
    Quote: Mordvin 3
    In general, don't give a damn about what's going on in Kyrgyzstan.


    In fact, we have a Customs Union with them .. And what is going on at the entrance customs offices of the external border of the Customs Union is unknown ... And now this is OUR problem ...
  • Serg65
    Serg65 7 October 2020 11: 59
    0
    Quote: domokl
    That's why the police went under the control of the opposition so easily

    Oh Alexander, if only it were that simple!
    By the way, Kyrgyzkomur was not captured, the Kara-Keche section related to Kyrgyzkomur was captured.
    Quote: domokl
    southerner leaders arrested immediately

    Could you name the arrested leaders of the southerners?
  • Boris55
    Boris55 7 October 2020 08: 00
    0
    Quote: Pessimist22
    this is a struggle of clans no more.

    There you saw the struggle of the clans, and why here you do not want to notice it?

    "State policy and management in a crowd-" elite "society is an agreement reached on the capabilities of various clan-corporate groupings in using the state structure and system to achieve their narrowly corporate goals."

    The difference between us and them is that our clans managed to come to an agreement and divide the "streams": some have power, others have money, and still others have laws. Whatever the balance of interests of different clans is maintained. They had an intervention from outside, which supported and promised the "impassable" clan buns, as a result of which the country would be thrown back into the Stone Age, and buns would go to a narrow circle of shallow-minded traitors.
    1. Pessimist22
      Pessimist22 7 October 2020 08: 06
      +2
      The difference is that our clans are oligarchic and their clans are generic.
  • Serg65
    Serg65 7 October 2020 11: 56
    0
    Quote: Pessimist22
    living here for many years,

    Here, this is where?
    1. Pessimist22
      Pessimist22 7 October 2020 16: 19
      0
      Middle Asia.
      1. Serg65
        Serg65 8 October 2020 07: 12
        0
        Central Asia .... too vague location ... Afghanistan is the same Central Asia ...
  • parusnik
    parusnik 7 October 2020 06: 04
    +6
    The police went over to the side of the rebels and are now working together with the people's militias.
    ... As far as I remember, all the turmoil in Kyrgyzstan, there the police always took the side of the opposition. It used to beat at the beginning, as soon as the protests begin to gain strength, went over to the side of the protesters. I can not judge what is happening in Kyrgyzstan, there is very little information, even on VO, about Ukraine, you know more than about the situation in other republics.
    1. sheridans
      sheridans 7 October 2020 08: 15
      +2
      The East is the same. Bai changed or kurbashi. Red Army soldier Sukhov will not come to dig out Said.
    2. Serg65
      Serg65 7 October 2020 12: 07
      +1
      Quote: parusnik
      I can't judge what is happening in Kyrgyzstan

      When the one giving orders, after the revolution in chocolate, and executing this order, sits on the dock, those who want to shed blood for power is diminished in arithmetic progression with each new revolution!
  • Deck
    Deck 7 October 2020 06: 22
    -9
    Those who were supposed to go to the parliament (Jogorku Kesh) of Kyrgyzstan went there. And those who participated in order to then sign the articles "former candidate for deputy" flew by. The parties "Birimdik" and "Mekenim Kyrgyzstan" won. They made up the pro-government majority.


    The opponents will be roughly equal in strength.


    Engaging in propaganda, you need to choose your words carefully. You don't like fair elections, you call them color revolutions - that's your business, but it's dumb to read such bloopers!
    1. domokl
      7 October 2020 06: 50
      +4
      Quote: Deck
      When engaging in propaganda, you need to choose your words carefully

      Propaganda of what, please tell me. If experts predict how the elections will end before the elections, is this propaganda? You will agree so exactly to what the American politician has agreed to. I mean Russia's interference in the American elections ... we are talking about them. So we interfere ...
      1. military_cat
        military_cat 7 October 2020 07: 06
        0
        Quote: domokl
        Propaganda of what, please tell me.

        By promoting a disdainful attitude towards the vote that the voter gives in the elections. It is quite understandable why - the voter's vote is an annoying obstacle to the quiet extraction of rent from the country in many places, not only in Kyrgyzstan.
        1. Deck
          Deck 7 October 2020 08: 34
          -4
          Propaganda of what,


          Here is military_cat and answered you.

          [quote Do you remember how some "experts" grinned at the organizers of the riots from the Polish special services? Today, when this has become a fact, none of these experts "remember" their grins.] [/ Quote]

          Has it become a fact? Would you mind? Russian interference (right or wrong) is evident: people on assignment on Belarusian state television, financial assistance to Lukashenka. These are facts, not rumors. We don't need to talk about information support on Russian TV. For what? military_cat answered you.
          1. Torins
            Torins 7 October 2020 10: 59
            -1
            Yeah, but there was no direct information and financial support from Poland))) And now there is no, right?)))
            1. Deck
              Deck 7 October 2020 11: 49
              -2
              Is there any financial support? Any facts? Well, something?
              1. Torins
                Torins 7 October 2020 17: 53
                0
                Of course, there is, for example, the promise of the Polish government to compensate for the damage from the actions of the security forces, as well as payments of 1500 euros to each dismissed for the strike. And where does the money come from for hundreds of fanariks, thousands of flags and other crap? Do you think the organizers work for free at rallies?
                1. Deck
                  Deck 7 October 2020 21: 39
                  -2
                  Of course, there is, for example, the promise of the Polish government to compensate for the damage from the actions of the security forces, as well as payments of 1500 euros to each dismissed for the strike.

                  Yes, for those who come to Poland. And also to repressed students and retired security officials. And not only to Poland. Consider the money not for organizing a protest, but for helping people who suffered from Lukashists.
                  Do you think the organizers work for free at rallies?

                  That's exactly what I think. You only do something for money. And I think the money will be needed - the Russian brothers of the Belarusians will help. Those who really love and respect the Belarusian people.
                  1. Torins
                    Torins 8 October 2020 07: 03
                    0
                    1: So this is financial assistance in the revolution - "do not be afraid, go to the bottom, get it in full, we will reimburse you everything."
                    2. I know for sure that the organizers do their job not free of charge, moreover, many of these organizers were such in the past. And this is not always a "salary", there are other methods of encouraging activities.
                    3. Revolutions are not done this way, at least in a relatively prosperous country. The fact that the security forces did not take the side of the people already says a lot, the fact that the scale of the rallies was twice overstated on YouTube and in the telegram also says a lot.
    2. helvetic
      helvetic 11 October 2020 18: 56
      -1
      Relatively fair elections were held in Athens in the XNUMXth century BC. and cost Athens their subjectivity. Everything else is stupid propaganda.
  • Dmitry Potapov
    Dmitry Potapov 7 October 2020 06: 23
    +2
    I would like to remind the author that in order for the people to rise up in revolt, the authorities must first bring it to this revolt. So it was in Ukraine, so in Belarus, so in Kyrgyzstan, but who comes to power with the help of the rebellious people is another question, and as events show, people are always deceived by those who come to power.
    1. domokl
      7 October 2020 06: 56
      +5
      Quote: Dmitry Potapov
      In order for the people to rise in revolt, the authorities first need to bring it to this revolt.

      wink Thank you for reminding. Today any country in the world will fit your definition. From the USA to Russia, including some Andorra. The pandemic has dramatically worsened the economies of all countries. People live worse than ever everywhere. So, objective factors of dissatisfaction really were and remain.
      But, you need a detonator. And NGOs became the detonator in Kyrgyzstan
      It was not for nothing that I quoted the former deputy chairman of the local FSB ... Everyone knew and understood everything.
      1. 2 Level Advisor
        2 Level Advisor 7 October 2020 08: 34
        0
        no need to blame the pandemic, as our authorities are doing more and more .. in all countries it passes in different ways, in normal countries they supported the people and everyone understands that the government has nothing to do with it .. you greatly exaggerate Alexander, a very unfounded statement-protests that- all over the world are now walking and everyone blames governments?
        1. domokl
          7 October 2020 10: 23
          +5
          Quote: Level 2 Advisor
          in normal countries, and the people supported and everyone understands that the government has nothing to do with it.

          An example please of such a country where everyone understands that the government has nothing to do with the troubles that have fallen down.
          1. 2 Level Advisor
            2 Level Advisor 7 October 2020 13: 32
            0
            Why did you distort my words? I'm specifically talking about the pandemic, and not about "troubles" in general!
            China, Korea, England, Germany and dozens of others where they do not blame the government for the pandemic, but understand that this is a world attack .. By the way, the governments cared more about them than during "self-isolation".
            And those countries where the currency fell sharply not at the beginning of March - even before the quarantine and pandemic due to someone playing with oil, but in reality after restrictive measures and a decline in production.
            They began to live worse everywhere, it's true .. but for example, in the countries I mentioned, the population trusts the economic policy of the government .. try to rock the boat there! no, everything is possible, but you will have to spend thousands of times more effort and money than in Kyrgyzstan .. because it is easy to swing a boat, which is so bad on the water .. and in China, by the way, in general, growth compared to last year .. so you did not answer -Which countries are afraid of popular unrest? I wrote which ones are not afraid ..
            1. Quadro
              Quadro 10 October 2020 00: 58
              0
              Quote: 2 level advisor
              Why did you distort my words? I'm specifically talking about the pandemic, and not about "troubles" in general!
              China, Korea, England, Germany and dozens of others where they do not blame the government for the pandemic, but understand that this is a world attack .. By the way, the governments cared more about them than during "self-isolation".
              And those countries where the currency fell sharply not at the beginning of March - even before the quarantine and pandemic due to someone playing with oil, but in reality after restrictive measures and a decline in production.
              They began to live worse everywhere, it's true .. but for example, in the countries I mentioned, the population trusts the economic policy of the government .. try to rock the boat there! no, everything is possible, but you will have to spend thousands of times more effort and money than in Kyrgyzstan .. because it is easy to swing a boat, which is so bad on the water .. and in China, by the way, in general, growth compared to last year .. so you did not answer -Which countries are afraid of popular unrest? I wrote which ones are not afraid ..

              They blurted out so blurted out. You see from the cave, since you don't know about anti-quarantine protests in Germany.
              1. 2 Level Advisor
                2 Level Advisor 10 October 2020 06: 56
                0
                did not read the meaning of my post, but found some particulars from a couple of dozen lines, and that's all they could answer? Well, in Germany, several thousand people came out in clown costumes .. and? Is there a threat of a change of government because of the protests? or do they demand to put their "leader" at the head of the country? or are they such German revolutionaries in clown costumes? laughing
                https://www.gazeta.ru/social/news/2020/08/29/n_14863735.shtml
          2. pro100y.belarus
            pro100y.belarus 8 October 2020 20: 15
            0
            Quote: domokl
            Quote: Level 2 Advisor
            in normal countries, and the people supported and everyone understands that the government has nothing to do with it.

            An example please of such a country where everyone understands that the government has nothing to do with the troubles that have fallen down.

            Yes Easy. Sweden, Denmark, Norway, Finland ... Not enough? I can still ... CHINA.
        2. helvetic
          helvetic 11 October 2020 18: 59
          0
          "normal" countries - this is where the shoes of blacks kiss or what is higher ?? Or where are they hired on the basis of race? Well, yes, there is also real democracy about two or three parties and no propaganda.
          1. 2 Level Advisor
            2 Level Advisor 11 October 2020 19: 57
            +1
            yes, yes, yes .. and in America blacks are lynched .. Who can force the owner of an enterprise to take a black man if he does not want to? this is not Russia my friend ... NOBODY! Are you kidding? What nafig boots blacks? Watch TV less Kiselevskoe ..
            1. helvetic
              helvetic 11 October 2020 21: 48
              -1
              Uh-huh, did the Kremlin TV come up with real footage (forgot to show it, if about "above the boot", this is from a state box)? Or a German acquaintance in Germany was not hired due to the fact that an Arab refugee applied for it (with lower qualifications, but with a refugee crust and a swarthy face) - also Kremlebots? Or does Simonyan personally demolish monuments in the states of the Confederates (we have jambs, but certainly not of this scale and not under such a howl)? No, I think. And we have more parties in the Duma (albeit the same sham ones as there). Or do we have few liberoid resources that no one closes and (more importantly) does not isolate from media sources? And what is this nonsense about trusting economic policy? Have you seen the Germans and French alive? They (mostly) do not trust this policy from the moment they saw the price tags in euros. It's just that, unlike refugees, no one is in a hurry to support ordinary citizens, so they plow, and do not rant.
              As a person from a rather global professional community, I can say that the West has never dreamed of such freedom of thought, which we have (in humanitarian knowledge, at least). In short, if anyone looks at Kiselevskoe, it is the author of such poor comments.
              1. 2 Level Advisor
                2 Level Advisor 12 October 2020 09: 54
                0
                Most of the comments - you are right, Vladimir. But I was talking about the standard of living and economic development, not freedom of speech - what does the economy and BLM have to do with it? And if we’re talking about comparison .. do you know how many acquaintances they didn’t take to work because they agreed for another? All of them have enough imbalances .. I did not say that there is an earthly paradise .. but the standard of living is there Above, it is useless to argue with this .. but about freedom of speech .. hmm .. I will not undertake to compare, not in the subject .. Personally, for me- the need for an opportunity for power to scream in the square is not necessary .. but the standard of living in the country is more important to me than the opportunity to hold a rally ..
                1. helvetic
                  helvetic 12 October 2020 12: 35
                  0
                  To be honest, I tried to comprehensively compare the standard of living in Russia and Germany. But since 2017 the data (free) is very weak for well-founded analysis. In Germany, of course, everything is better in numbers, but, from my point of view, this is not the problem. They have a much smaller gap between strata and regional disparities. Plus - much less "dullness" in the financial sector. By the way, protests are largely connected with it - people latently want not to be touched (taxes, Varangians, etc.), but at the same time that social obligations are fulfilled and increased. In 2015-16 in Crimea, I was surprised at the number of dissatisfied people, and then asked around - everyone wanted to get more roads and hospitals, but at the same time not to pay taxes at all and not bother with the legal registration of property (as was the case with dill).
      2. Serg65
        Serg65 7 October 2020 12: 11
        0
        Quote: domokl
        NGOs became the detonator in Kyrgyzstan

        Non-profit organizations came to the ready, the detonator was completely different comrades!
    2. Serg65
      Serg65 7 October 2020 12: 10
      +1
      Quote: Dmitry Potapov
      in order for the people to rise up in revolt, the authorities first need to bring it to this revolt

      We need money and nothing more !!!
  • nikvic46
    nikvic46 7 October 2020 06: 38
    +2
    When surprises arise abroad, questions naturally arise for foreign intelligence.
    1. domokl
      7 October 2020 07: 00
      +8
      No questions asked. The task of specialists is to provide information. There is a government and a president to make decisions. There was such information. And even in open sources (some media). You forget that those who do not want such information to surface, also professionals know something. And people most often live with hope. Perhaps it will carry ...
      1. Egoza
        Egoza 7 October 2020 07: 14
        +2
        Quote: domokl
        And people most often live with hope. Maybe it will.

        Greetings, Alexander! You're right. Only when you think about the professionals, the anecdote comes to mind ...
        The man decided to joke. I went out into the street, went to a telephone booth, called the KGB and said: "You are not working well, comrades!" He turns to leave the booth, and two people already meet him: "As we can".
        Now, if our professionals worked in such a way, ahead of the curve, preventing the work of all kinds of non-profit organizations, then such "uprisings" would not have happened!
        1. domokl
          7 October 2020 10: 39
          +3
          laughing Greetings Elena. The thing is, it seems to me that there are a lot of slugs among those who make decisions. To be specific, I wrote this
  • 501Legion
    501Legion 7 October 2020 06: 47
    14
    3-4 thousand people on the streets of Bishkek decided for 1.5 million voters that the elections were illegitimate. and the finished CEC backed down and declared the elections invalid, when all international observers and the CEC itself said a day earlier that the violations were minimal. This is how the terpily endure, and the active minority decides for them, which in fact does not care about the elections. Now every time there are dissatisfied and they will always be, you can bring the people out and cancel anything. Freed those who were in power before, now it will be even worse. Power will be divided and future elections are unlikely to be cleaner, especially the presidential, and there is no desire to vote for anyone, all parties are the same eggs only in profile, behind which there are thieves, there are probably exceptions, but this is a minuscule in the ocean of crap in this country.
    As always, a tick in the box "against all".
    1. domokl
      7 October 2020 10: 43
      +1
      Quote: 501Legion
      there is no desire to vote for anyone, all parties are the same eggs only in profile, behind which there are thieves

      This is what the "democrats of all stripes" are trying to achieve ... I think these are the costs of worldwide perestroika. The world is changing, but it's hard to overdo it
  • nnm
    nnm 7 October 2020 06: 48
    +8
    The question is more than urgent for Russia. Even outside the political part of it. Therefore, as citizens of Kyrgyzstan, a member state of the EAEU, they have the right to a highly simplified migration and labor legislation on the territory of the Russian Federation. And practically all workers from Asia on our streets, whom the majority consider Tajiks, 80 percent are citizens of Kyrgyzstan. And in connection with this, there is a danger of both a significant increase in the number of migrants and its transformation from labor, legal, into illegal and does not imply the departure of workers in the end to their homeland. And any illegal migration is both a violation of the rights of emigrants by employers and an increase in the criminal component among illegal migrants themselves.
    1. g1washntwn
      g1washntwn 7 October 2020 08: 12
      0
      So this is exactly that "democracy". A minority that does not agree with the majority opinion uses force to seize power. If the State itself does not protect the majority from the anarchy of minorities and at the same time does not allow the majority to "roll out" the unbelted opposition, then something needs to be changed. With the same success, power can be seized by "tolerasts", cannibals and other sectarians of Sodom and Gomorrah. Khataskraynism of the inhabitants themselves and inaction of the State, the absence of coercion of the minority to the majority - that is what we get different "ukraine" and so on. Then the mechanism of propaganda and reformatting of consciousness is turned on and voila, burning books and people is no longer a crime, Austen nachts in the name of racial exclusivity.
      1. Torins
        Torins 7 October 2020 11: 09
        +1
        In the Republic of Belarus, the authorities are resisting illegal protests and rolling out the opposition. But all neighboring states stubbornly argue that this is illegal ...
        1. g1washntwn
          g1washntwn 7 October 2020 11: 23
          +2
          Quote: Torins
          all neighboring states stubbornly prove that it is illegal ...

          Wife to husband: - Where did you hang out? Where does the lipstick on the face come from?
          - Well ... you ... hic ... panimash, such a situation ...
          - And if I come to Umat at 5 am?
          - Well, you give your mother ... I'm talking about the SITUATION! And you tell me about ... "promiscuous sex"...
          laughing wink
    2. 2 Level Advisor
      2 Level Advisor 7 October 2020 08: 36
      0
      in the South - 90 percent of Uzbeks .. so everyone is enough .. in different regions for some reason in different ways ..
    3. helvetic
      helvetic 11 October 2020 19: 03
      0
      Where did 80 percent come from? In the manuals for the FMS, the numbers are completely different. + Kigrizia is the smallest of all the open countries of the SA (we do not take Turkmenistan) in terms of population. In fact, Uzbeks are the most.
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  • rocket757
    rocket757 7 October 2020 06: 57
    +5
    "Unexpected" performances of the Kirghiz

    Come on. This is what in a row .... revolution ???
    Now, put things in order only with a FIRM HAND and most likely with copious bloodletting, the most overexcited! The country has almost been taken away to uluses and it won't be more dermocratical.
    1. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid 7 October 2020 16: 31
      +1
      I remember that there were unrest at the beginning of the century. We had their employees at work then, they said ---- there is a clan struggle ...
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 7 October 2020 18: 07
        +1
        There is no historical experience of civil government, own!
        From the khans, to the governors general, then to the party bosses ... the stratum of the national intelligentsia, the united working class, has not been formed, so it’s so strong and stable to be and take on the central leadership! Again, they slipped, if not to the khans, then to the shtetl bays.
        1. Reptiloid
          Reptiloid 7 October 2020 18: 38
          +1
          Quote: rocket757
          There is no historical experience of civil government, own! .... The stratum of the national intelligentsia, the united working class, has not been formed, so it’s so strong and stable to be strong and take on the central leadership! Again, they slid down, if not to the khans, then to the local bays.
          well yes! There was not enough time to develop their own. For the development and consolidation of what they received from the Soviet regime.
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 7 October 2020 20: 30
            +1
            At the expense of the experience of government in the Soviet period, in the republics of Central Asia ... no, I will not even discuss.
            Not everything is as rosy as one would like to think.
            Swam, we know.
            1. Reptiloid
              Reptiloid 7 October 2020 20: 58
              +1
              Quote: rocket757
              I'm talking about the experience of government in the Soviet period, in the republics .... Not everything is as rosy as I would like to think. We swam, we know.
              Viktor, I studied when the republics were only mentioned, not in detail. Therefore, I am not talking about the experience of government, but about medicine, education, and many other things that happened under the USSR.
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 7 October 2020 21: 24
                +1
                What you have listed is as elements of the structure of the functioning of the state, what should be preserved by the governing, governing system. Any control system, note.
                They do not have a stable management system, and everything else is consequences.
                1. Reptiloid
                  Reptiloid 7 October 2020 21: 28
                  +1
                  Quote: rocket757
                  What you have listed is as elements of the structure of the functioning of the state, ...... They have NO stable management system, and everything else is a consequence.
                  exactly. I agree.
  • g_ae
    g_ae 7 October 2020 07: 06
    +8
    And we have here, by the way, among the most "incredible" Belarusians, delight over the Kyrgyz events. "Well, people were able to achieve freedom. Now they will heal (so many times). And then the police are not with the people. Obloms. Zhyvebeligus."
  • 7,62h54
    7,62h54 7 October 2020 07: 31
    0
    The national debt of Kyrgyzstan is approaching 5 yards. Who will give and when? It is unlikely that creditors will agree to write-offs.
  • CommanderDIVA
    CommanderDIVA 7 October 2020 07: 53
    0
    The outskirts of the former USSR are shaking, let people there "gorge on" Western democracy, maybe they will understand that it is better to live with one mind with Russia, as before, than to be guided by the United States, the European Union and China
  • oracul
    oracul 7 October 2020 08: 02
    +2
    Judging by what the media reports, the President of Kyrgyzstan brilliantly repeated what happened in Ukraine: he called for negotiations with the opposition, declared the elections invalid, said that no deputy is worth the people suffering because of him. I wonder what will happen in the end?
  • IV Stalin
    IV Stalin 7 October 2020 08: 07
    +3
    The cowardice of the leadership destroys the country, for example Ukraine. If in 1941 STALIN had been youthful, there would have been no Russia, no Belarus, no Ukraine, etc. Yanukovych handle to the top and what has Ukraine become ??? A pack of Nazis, but fascists and full house and collapse ...
  • Essex62
    Essex62 7 October 2020 08: 10
    +9
    All these games of democracy, in the Western sense, lead to endless flowers in the vastness of our Motherland, the USSR. There should be one party, communist, of the Stalinist type, and with an iron hand to clean up all kinds of crime. Even in a nightmare, it was impossible to imagine that a prisoner with a grave article of the Criminal Code would be running around, even as chairman of a collective farm. A society built on the principles of profit is simply doomed to such social explosions. Jungle competition.
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    2. Torins
      Torins 7 October 2020 11: 12
      -5
      Under Stalin, crime was oh, how dofigische, no need to wishful thinking.
      1. Selevc
        Selevc 7 October 2020 17: 49
        +3
        Quote: Torins
        Under Stalin, crime was oh, how dofigische, no need to wishful thinking.

        Under Stalin, dear, you would not just walk along the street in any city of the USSR during the day, you would either be asked "Why not at work?" and asked for either a business trip or vacation certificate. Or if there is no ausweis, then they would be imprisoned for at least 15 days for parasitism !!!

        Who was involved in crime if everyone worked ??? Tales about crime in Stalin's times are nonsense from the directors of the 90s who slandered and continue to pour mud on the Stalin era !!! Turned the whole story to the top of the dupa !!! The tsar who betrayed his country - they have a martyr, and Stalin who led the country for 4 years to the Great Victory they have a criminal !!!
        1. Essex62
          Essex62 7 October 2020 18: 53
          +1
          There are criminal elimonies everywhere and always, in any historical period and in any socio-political formation. As Gleb Zhiglov used to say, the presence of crime in the country is determined not by the presence of thieves, but by the ability of the authorities to neutralize them. The era of Stalin is very indicative in terms of effective fight against criminals. Up to sweeps, with physical elimination, as in Odessa. If you are really insolent. In our time, cops work effectively only on the NTV channel. The opportunity to get rich blurred the line between the classic thieves' community and the rest of society. Now only outright thugs rummage around the apartments and pinch their pockets. Everything is done much more gracefully, which does not negate the serious crimes associated with violence. Jungle.
          But under developed socialism, such elites could not get into power, from the word at all. I cannot imagine the secretary of the district committee or the executive committee even with the notorious 206.
        2. Torins
          Torins 8 October 2020 07: 10
          +1
          Excuse me, but I never wrote that Stalin was a criminal. But when a person is sent to jail for being late for work, it seems to me not at all right.
        3. your1970
          your1970 8 October 2020 07: 24
          +1
          Quote: Selevc
          Tales about crime in Stalin's times are nonsense from the directors of the 90s who slandered and continue to pour dirt on the Stalin era !!!

          Read the Criminal Code of Stalinsky - a very enticing reading. Especially the criminal part ... There is a very large assortment - from forgery of postage stamps and prostitution ...
          And at the same time - the leader of the criminal organized crime group "Lipovaya Military Unit" was awarded orders and medals, too, under Stalin ...

          Stalin in your crooked and clumsy attempts to whitewash him does not need ... You can only pour mud on him more, no more ...
          1. Selevc
            Selevc 16 October 2020 13: 25
            0
            Quote: your1970
            Stalin in your crooked and clumsy attempts to whitewash him does not need ... You can only pour mud on him more, no more ...

            And all the more it doesn't need your crooked accusations !!! I'm not going to read anything - I already know everything !!! I know that the whole country was burying the leader and even children and grandmothers cried !!! And back in the 80s they remembered how they grieved about the deceased leader !!! It would be really bloody so would not cry !!! Everywhere in the press lies !!! Politicians are judged by the results of his activities and not by some writings !!!

            Stalin is a politician, the most vilified politician of the USSR - who was watered with layers of dirt and lies from the Khrushchev era until now !!!
            1. your1970
              your1970 16 October 2020 16: 46
              0
              Quote: Selevc
              And in your curves accusations all the more does not need !!!
              fool fool fool
              Where did you see me trying vilification Stalin? In what place ??
              Quote: Selevc
              I'm not going to read anything - I already know everything !!!
              how then do you know
              that
              Quote: Selevc
              Everywhere in the press lies
              ?

              one more time - before writing about lack of crime under Stalin
              Quote: Selevc
              Tales about crime in Stalin's times - this is nonsense from the directors of the 90s who vilified and continue to pour mud on the Stalin era !!!

              read Stalin's Criminal Code - OFFICIAL document (not invented by the directors of the 90s !!!!) confirming the existence of all kinds of crime at that time ...

              offhand UK 1926
              81. Unlawful release of an arrested person from custody or from places of detention or assistance in his escape -
              83. Simple contraband, that is, movement across the state border line of goods, valuables, property and all kinds of items other than customs institutions or through such, but with concealment from customs control, -
              85. Violation of decrees issued in the interests of protecting forests from theft and destruction, if the value of illegally obtained or damage caused to forestry does not exceed thirty rubles at the rates established annually by the provincial and district executive committees on the basis of the sale prices of the forestry, -
              86. Production of fish, animal and other aquatic catching trades in seas, rivers and lakes of national importance, without proper permission, either during prohibited times, or in illegal places and with illegal tools, methods and techniques, -
              100. Violations of excise rules or rules on special patent fee -
              104. Manufacturing and storage for the purpose of marketing and the very sale of cocaine, opium, morphine, ether and other intoxicating substances without proper authorization
              106. Storage and sale of unbranded items made of gold, silver and platinum in a trading establishment 147. Forcible illegal deprivation of liberty
              148. Placement in a hospital for the mentally ill of a known healthy person for mercenary or other personal purposes
              151. Sexual intercourse with persons who have not reached puberty, associated with molestation or satisfaction of sexual desire in perverse forms,
              152. Corruption of minors or minors, committed by lecherous acts against them,
              155. Coercion into prostitution, pandering, maintenance of dens of debauchery, as well as recruitment of women for prostitution,
              172. Manufacturing and storage for the purpose of sale of a counterfeit hallmark, hallmarking such items and ingots made of gold, silver and platinum, imposing hallmarks and brands on items made of other metals that resemble the hallmark, as well as the sale of these items,

              Quite an assortment - smuggling, forest thefts, poaching, leftist excise stamps, drugs, leftist gold, hostages, debauchery, prostitution ...
              Doesn't resemble anything ????? the present UK ????
              Only by your logic- now crime, and under Stalin - apparently heavenly angels drugs and gold left were traded, and prostitutes were covered

              ZY183. Wearing the Order of the Red or Labor Banner, as well as the signs of the Red Cross and Red Crescent by persons who do not have the right to do so,- also does not resemble anything ???
              163. Theft of electrical energy lol - and this ??
  • Operator
    Operator 7 October 2020 08: 10
    +3
    There are 6000 registered non-profit organizations in Kyrgyzstan, of which 600 are actively working, almost all of them are foreign agents - they receive funding from the United States and Europe. In conditions of mass unemployment, receiving permanent income from non-profit organizations is the height of happiness for any Kyrgyz with a higher Kyrgyz education.

    Industry (with the exception of three enterprises) is practically absent,

    Plus, in the context of the pandemic, the cash flow from Kyrgyz guest workers who worked in Russia and brought in up to $ 2 billion in foreign exchange earnings per year has dramatically dried up.

    Plus the total criminalization and clannishness of the Kyrgyz society.

    Therefore, for the Kyrgyz, democracy can only exist under an external protectorate (Russian, American or Chinese). In the meantime, the Kyrgyz need to choose a lifelong bai and calm down.
  • imobile2008
    imobile2008 7 October 2020 08: 14
    -10 qualifying.
    Quote: nnm
    That is, the question of what, in fact, you want to replace the conventional EdRo with the Democratic Party of the United States does not interest you in principle?
    Or is it all the same who, if only not these?

    This is one of those pearls, like in France? No, we no longer believe that we will live like in France, for us at least at first, as in Poland, or at worst according to the Yugoslav scenario, After the overthrow of Milosevic, people there began to live 10 times better.
    1. Kronos
      Kronos 7 October 2020 10: 24
      +5
      No, they didn't
    2. Torins
      Torins 7 October 2020 11: 17
      +1
      This is how they live in Poland. Any dissent is suppressed with truncheons and tear gas, salaries are basically the same. On the plus side, the bike infrastructure is not bad and the havchik is a little cheaper.
    3. helvetic
      helvetic 11 October 2020 19: 08
      0
      Tell tales to someone dumber. In the same Montenegro (like a tourist paradise, and sparsely populated) outside the beach - devastation and poverty. The euro is wonderful only if the salary they are decent and have a place to work.
  • zontov79
    zontov79 7 October 2020 08: 15
    +1
    The article smacks of a custom shit)) of course the authorities are not to blame for anything, these are all enemies.
    1. your1970
      your1970 8 October 2020 07: 28
      -1
      Quote: zontov79
      The article smacks of a custom shit)) of course the authorities are not to blame for anything, these are all enemies.

      They have already had about 5 revolutions over the past 30 years .... These are definitely not "enemies" - friends help the people to live better and better with each revolution ...
      Sure sure...
  • tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 7 October 2020 08: 26
    +3
    I will just mention in passing about a couple of "independents" who told me that the riots began on Kievskaya Street in Kyrgyz Bishkek and that the Kyrgyz are as freedom-loving as the Ukrainians.
    Licking someone else's boots does not mean to love your own kind. But one thing unites them - the crap in their heads.
  • Alex66
    Alex66 7 October 2020 08: 31
    +4
    Ask in the crowd who will "roll over" which of them voted for Putin. Nobody! Although, as it seems to me, there are still such.
    It is doubtful, among those whom I know Putin, after the pension scam, only one supports, well, maybe the rest are hiding well. The exploiters who came to power violated the social contract by raising the retirement age, and for no reason or reason, just out of greed. If Putin does not change it will end in revolution.
    1. Victor Demchenko
      Victor Demchenko 7 October 2020 08: 54
      +6
      you know, maybe they hide it well? in the last elections, I was in the electoral commission of the precinct, and when counting the votes I was very unpleasantly surprised: judging by the statements, EdR's only way into the garbage can, and in nature the candidate from EdRa won the elections (no fraud! I swear on my life, I did not leave the ballot box before closing, and ITSELF took part in the counting!) maybe because the people who are SATISFIED with the current government came to vote ?! and ALL who are against quietly sat on the couch, went to the dacha and in the forest for barbecue?
  • Tneburashka
    Tneburashka 7 October 2020 08: 35
    -2
    The people were driven to despair, the mini Genghis Khans are fucking
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  • Victor Demchenko
    Victor Demchenko 7 October 2020 08: 49
    +1
    Indeed, the article smacks of zakazuhoy: like the authorities are not to blame, they are ALL external enemies. So, dear: in the presence of SUCH POWER AS WE HAVE IN THE COUNTRY AND FOREIGN ENEMIES DO NOT NEED: JUST OPEN YOUR EYES AND LOOK AT THE "SUCCESS" OF OUR SO-CALLED POWER IN ALL INTERNAL AFFAIRS! maybe then you won't write about the events in Kyrgyzstan (which I personally don't give a damn about, as they say), I am personally more worried that our ruble is becoming a junk currency, taxes and tariffs are growing, and the growth of the population's well-being is visible only on the screen TV and in the speeches of such figures as Solovyov and Skabeyev ...
  • imobile2008
    imobile2008 7 October 2020 08: 59
    +2
    Quote: zontov79
    The article smacks of a custom shit)) of course the authorities are not to blame for anything, these are all enemies.
    1. Do not let the worthy advance. You can even execute them.
    2. To prohibit joint meals (speaking in a modern way, to abolish the freedom of assembly).
    3. Contain spies.
    4. Promise a better life for the future.
    5. Build public facilities to keep people busy all the time.
    6. To wage a war (or prepare for it), as in this case the people need an autocratic leader. In addition, it is always very profitable to prepare for war, to wage a small war, or to frighten the people with the threat of a big war. Then all the miscalculations and shortcomings of the authorities can be easily attributed to the threat of war.

    "Code of Tyrants" attributed to Aristotle
    1. g_ae
      g_ae 7 October 2020 10: 50
      +1
      So this code also applies to states and almost any western country. It's strange.
      1. your1970
        your1970 8 October 2020 07: 31
        0
        Quote: g_ae
        So this code also applies to states and almost any western country. It's strange.

        It EVEN suitable for the USSR, if that ...
        1. g_ae
          g_ae 8 October 2020 08: 32
          0
          Well, Duc was the reason why the USSR was branded and destroyed. For 30 years already. And the rest are quite normal with this and are not going to change.
    2. helvetic
      helvetic 11 October 2020 19: 11
      0
      tsarok Alexander's inappropriate teacher. Yes, a worthy harbinger of the Solzhenitsyn.
  • thinker
    thinker 7 October 2020 09: 02
    +3
    What will happen next?.
    Logically, next in line is the change of president
    The leader of the Butun Kyrgyzstan party, Adakhan Madumarov, said that he does not recognize the results of the presidential elections, which took place on 15 October. (2017 he has the third place 6.5%)
  • Daniil Konovalenko
    Daniil Konovalenko 7 October 2020 09: 20
    +1
    In Kyrgyzstan, coups are so frequent that it is simply impossible to keep track of who is behind whom, more like a clan struggle.
  • 1536
    1536 7 October 2020 09: 21
    +1
    Elections in a particular country can be compared to strong alcohol, which affects the brain of people in different ways, depending on the amount of drink or the characteristics of the body. Indeed, for some states this is an opportunity to replace those in power who do not deserve it. Other countries and peoples begin to behave as if during a delirium tremens, which has not led anyone to good.
    Drink, but know when to stop, as they say.
  • BAI
    BAI 7 October 2020 09: 42
    0
    nothing out of the ordinary will happen in Bishkek.

    For Kyrgyzstan, of course. For them, the overthrow of the president is a norm, a daily routine. 2 were overthrown, one of them in Belarus. So from the point of view of the Kyrgyz realities - there is a usual daily routine. Not the first or the last time.
  • Olgovich
    Olgovich 7 October 2020 09: 51
    -3
    In my opinion, the next "outbreak of popular anger" will occur on the night of November 1-2, 2020. And this will happen in Chisinau.

    It looks like this: an aging lesbian, the darling of the West, has already stated that in the event of "dishonest" elections (and honest ones are the only ones that she will win), Moldova will face the fate of Belarus.

    Someone from the West condemned her? not on your nelly!
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  • Pushkar
    Pushkar 7 October 2020 11: 29
    +2
    What will happen next in Kyrgyzstan? Yes, the same as it was. A couple of years later - again a booze Feudal tribal system and the division of resources.
  • Alsur
    Alsur 7 October 2020 13: 50
    -1
    Quote: Lannan Shi
    Quote: nnm
    Bravo, colleague !!!! With your answer, you simply short-circuited the logical connections of my thought process.


    2. A mass protest without such problems is basically impossible. History does not seem to know this.
    Dixi.

    Arab revolution in Libya. A welfare state where every citizen of the country was paid a rent for oil. The Libyans were the desire of clients in medical institutions in Europe, etc. The price of oil has fallen, it is necessary to tighten the belts, the price of oil is not formed by Libya's favor. Wait until prices return and continue living as before. All the same, at least a lot, at least a little, but this is money for free.
    No, they staged a revolution and now they live poorly, without a chance to live better. Oil profits are now going where they should be.
  • Alsur
    Alsur 7 October 2020 13: 50
    -1
    Quote: Lannan Shi
    Quote: nnm
    Bravo, colleague !!!! With your answer, you simply short-circuited the logical connections of my thought process.


    2. A mass protest without such problems is basically impossible. History does not seem to know this.
    Dixi.

    Arab revolution in Libya. A welfare state where every citizen of the country was paid a rent for oil. The Libyans were the desire of clients in medical institutions in Europe, etc. The price of oil has fallen, it is necessary to tighten the belts, the price of oil is not formed by Libya's favor. Wait until prices return and continue living as before. All the same, at least a lot, at least a little, but this is money for free.
    No, they staged a revolution and now they live poorly, without a chance to live better. Oil profits are now going where they should be.
  • Alsur
    Alsur 7 October 2020 13: 50
    0
    Quote: Lannan Shi
    Quote: nnm
    Bravo, colleague !!!! With your answer, you simply short-circuited the logical connections of my thought process.


    2. A mass protest without such problems is basically impossible. History does not seem to know this.
    Dixi.

    Arab revolution in Libya. A welfare state where every citizen of the country was paid a rent for oil. The Libyans were the desire of clients in medical institutions in Europe, etc. The price of oil has fallen, it is necessary to tighten the belts, the price of oil is not formed by Libya's favor. Wait until prices return and continue living as before. All the same, at least a lot, at least a little, but this is money for free.
    No, they staged a revolution and now they live poorly, without a chance to live better. Oil profits are now going where they should be.
  • Alsur
    Alsur 7 October 2020 13: 51
    -1
    Quote: Lannan Shi
    Quote: nnm
    Bravo, colleague !!!! With your answer, you simply short-circuited the logical connections of my thought process.


    2. A mass protest without such problems is basically impossible. History does not seem to know this.
    Dixi.

    Arab revolution in Libya. A welfare state where every citizen of the country was paid a rent for oil. The Libyans were the desire of clients in medical institutions in Europe, etc. The price of oil has fallen, it is necessary to tighten the belts, the price of oil is not formed by Libya's favor. Wait until prices return and continue living as before. All the same, at least a lot, at least a little, but this is money for free.
    No, they staged a revolution and now they live poorly, without a chance to live better. Oil profits are now going where they should be.
  • Alsur
    Alsur 7 October 2020 13: 52
    -1
    Quote: Lannan Shi
    Quote: nnm
    Bravo, colleague !!!! With your answer, you simply short-circuited the logical connections of my thought process.


    2. A mass protest without such problems is basically impossible. History does not seem to know this.
    Dixi.

    Arab revolution in Libya. A welfare state where every citizen of the country was paid a rent for oil. The Libyans were the desire of clients in medical institutions in Europe, etc. The price of oil has fallen, it is necessary to tighten the belts, the price of oil is not formed by Libya's favor. Wait until prices return and continue living as before. All the same, at least a lot, at least a little, but this is money for free.
    No, they staged a revolution and now they live poorly, without a chance to live better. Oil profits are now going where they should be.
  • Alsur
    Alsur 7 October 2020 13: 53
    0
    Quote: Lannan Shi
    Quote: nnm
    Bravo, colleague !!!! With your answer, you simply short-circuited the logical connections of my thought process.


    2. A mass protest without such problems is basically impossible. History does not seem to know this.
    Dixi.

    Arab revolution in Libya. A welfare state where every citizen of the country was paid a rent for oil. The Libyans were the desire of clients in medical institutions in Europe, etc. The price of oil has fallen, it is necessary to tighten the belts, the price of oil is not formed by Libya's favor. Wait until prices return and continue living as before. All the same, at least a lot, at least a little, but this is money for free.
    No, they staged a revolution and now they live poorly, without a chance to live better. Oil profits are now going where they should be.
  • Alsur
    Alsur 7 October 2020 13: 53
    0
    Quote: Lannan Shi
    Quote: nnm
    Bravo, colleague !!!! With your answer, you simply short-circuited the logical connections of my thought process.


    2. A mass protest without such problems is basically impossible. History does not seem to know this.
    Dixi.

    Arab revolution in Libya. A welfare state where every citizen of the country was paid a rent for oil. The Libyans were the desire of clients in medical institutions in Europe, etc. The price of oil has fallen, it is necessary to tighten the belts, the price of oil is not formed by Libya's favor. Wait until prices return and continue living as before. All the same, at least a lot, at least a little, but this is money for free.
    No, they staged a revolution and now they live poorly, without a chance to live better. Oil profits are now going where they should be.
  • Alsur
    Alsur 7 October 2020 13: 53
    0
    Quote: Lannan Shi
    Quote: nnm
    Bravo, colleague !!!! With your answer, you simply short-circuited the logical connections of my thought process.


    2. A mass protest without such problems is basically impossible. History does not seem to know this.
    Dixi.

    Arab revolution in Libya. A welfare state where every citizen of the country was paid a rent for oil. The Libyans were the desire of clients in medical institutions in Europe, etc. The price of oil has fallen, it is necessary to tighten the belts, the price of oil is not formed by Libya's favor. Wait until prices return and continue living as before. All the same, at least a lot, at least a little, but this is money for free.
    No, they staged a revolution and now they live poorly, without a chance to live better. Oil profits are now going where they should be.
  • Alsur
    Alsur 7 October 2020 13: 54
    0
    Quote: Lannan Shi
    Quote: nnm
    Bravo, colleague !!!! With your answer, you simply short-circuited the logical connections of my thought process.


    2. A mass protest without such problems is basically impossible. History does not seem to know this.
    Dixi.

    Arab revolution in Libya. A welfare state where every citizen of the country was paid a rent for oil. The Libyans were the desire of clients in medical institutions in Europe, etc. The price of oil has fallen, it is necessary to tighten the belts, the price of oil is not formed by Libya's favor. Wait until prices return and continue living as before. All the same, at least a lot, at least a little, but this is money for free.
    No, they staged a revolution and now they live poorly, without a chance to live better. Oil profits are now going where they should be.
  • Alsur
    Alsur 7 October 2020 13: 55
    0
    Quote: Lannan Shi
    Quote: nnm
    Bravo, colleague !!!! With your answer, you simply short-circuited the logical connections of my thought process.


    2. A mass protest without such problems is basically impossible. History does not seem to know this.
    Dixi.

    Arab revolution in Libya. A welfare state where every citizen of the country was paid a rent for oil. The Libyans were the desire of clients in medical institutions in Europe, etc. The price of oil has fallen, it is necessary to tighten the belts, the price of oil is not formed by Libya's favor. Wait until prices return and continue living as before. All the same, at least a lot, at least a little, but this is money for free.
    No, they staged a revolution and now they live poorly, without a chance to live better. Oil profits are now going where they should be.
  • Alsur
    Alsur 7 October 2020 13: 56
    0
    Quote: Lannan Shi
    Quote: nnm
    Bravo, colleague !!!! With your answer, you simply short-circuited the logical connections of my thought process.


    2. A mass protest without such problems is basically impossible. History does not seem to know this.
    Dixi.

    Arab revolution in Libya. A welfare state where every citizen of the country was paid a rent for oil. The Libyans were the desire of clients in medical institutions in Europe, etc. The price of oil has fallen, it is necessary to tighten the belts, the price of oil is not formed by Libya's favor. Wait until prices return and continue living as before. All the same, at least a lot, at least a little, but this is money for free.
    No, they staged a revolution and now they live poorly, without a chance to live better. Oil profits are now going where they should be.
  • Alsur
    Alsur 7 October 2020 13: 57
    0
    Quote: Lannan Shi
    Quote: nnm
    Bravo, colleague !!!! With your answer, you simply short-circuited the logical connections of my thought process.


    2. A mass protest without such problems is basically impossible. History does not seem to know this.
    Dixi.

    Arab revolution in Libya. A welfare state where every citizen of the country was paid a rent for oil. The Libyans were the desire of clients in medical institutions in Europe, etc. The price of oil has fallen, it is necessary to tighten the belts, the price of oil is not formed by Libya's favor. Wait until prices return and continue living as before. All the same, at least a lot, at least a little, but this is money for free.
    No, they staged a revolution and now they live poorly, without a chance to live better. Oil profits are now going where they should be.
  • Alsur
    Alsur 7 October 2020 13: 57
    0
    Quote: Lannan Shi
    Quote: nnm
    Bravo, colleague !!!! With your answer, you simply short-circuited the logical connections of my thought process.


    2. A mass protest without such problems is basically impossible. History does not seem to know this.
    Dixi.

    Arab revolution in Libya. A welfare state where every citizen of the country was paid a rent for oil. The Libyans were the desire of clients in medical institutions in Europe, etc. The price of oil has fallen, it is necessary to tighten the belts, the price of oil is not formed by Libya's favor. Wait until prices return and continue living as before. All the same, at least a lot, at least a little, but this is money for free.
    No, they staged a revolution and now they live poorly, without a chance to live better. Oil profits are now going where they should be.
  • Alsur
    Alsur 7 October 2020 13: 57
    0
    Quote: Lannan Shi
    Quote: nnm
    Bravo, colleague !!!! With your answer, you simply short-circuited the logical connections of my thought process.


    2. A mass protest without such problems is basically impossible. History does not seem to know this.
    Dixi.

    Arab revolution in Libya. A welfare state where every citizen of the country was paid a rent for oil. The Libyans were the desire of clients in medical institutions in Europe, etc. The price of oil has fallen, it is necessary to tighten the belts, the price of oil is not formed by Libya's favor. Wait until prices return and continue living as before. All the same, at least a lot, at least a little, but this is money for free.
    No, they staged a revolution and now they live poorly, without a chance to live better. Oil profits are now going where they should be.
  • Alsur
    Alsur 7 October 2020 13: 57
    0
    Quote: Lannan Shi
    Quote: nnm
    Bravo, colleague !!!! With your answer, you simply short-circuited the logical connections of my thought process.


    2. A mass protest without such problems is basically impossible. History does not seem to know this.
    Dixi.

    Arab revolution in Libya. A welfare state where every citizen of the country was paid a rent for oil. The Libyans were the desire of clients in medical institutions in Europe, etc. The price of oil has fallen, it is necessary to tighten the belts, the price of oil is not formed by Libya's favor. Wait until prices return and continue living as before. All the same, at least a lot, at least a little, but this is money for free.
    No, they staged a revolution and now they live poorly, without a chance to live better. Oil profits are now going where they should be.
  • Alsur
    Alsur 7 October 2020 13: 57
    0
    Quote: Lannan Shi
    Quote: nnm
    Bravo, colleague !!!! With your answer, you simply short-circuited the logical connections of my thought process.


    2. A mass protest without such problems is basically impossible. History does not seem to know this.
    Dixi.

    Arab revolution in Libya. A welfare state where every citizen of the country was paid a rent for oil. The Libyans were the desire of clients in medical institutions in Europe, etc. The price of oil has fallen, it is necessary to tighten the belts, the price of oil is not formed by Libya's favor. Wait until prices return and continue living as before. All the same, at least a lot, at least a little, but this is money for free.
    No, they staged a revolution and now they live poorly, without a chance to live better. Oil profits are now going where they should be.