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Liberal myth about detachments

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Liberal myth about detachments

Liberal historical the discourse in relation to the description of the Great Patriotic War is often linked with statements about "one rifle for three", "victory exclusively with the help of the frost general" and "the factor of barrage detachments."


The topic of blocking detachments is such that it is being actively discussed in order to try to prove that "few of the Red Army men wanted to go forward for the Motherland, for Stalin." And therefore, the "machine of Stalinist repression" had to go to measures such as "machine-gun fire in the back."

It is a pity that this liberal myth is firmly rooted in the heads of many Russians. Some people are really ready to believe that offensive operations led to success only because soldiers and officers felt the cold breath of the NKVD troops behind their backs.

The situation is considered in his video by the famous political scientist and philosopher Oleg Matveychev. He notes how the use of detachments itself is declared by individual sources. For example, the soldiers of the Red Army during the war years "acted compelledly" - "only due to the fact that they were not allowed to retreat by barrage units."

Oleg Matveychev dwells in detail on the myths about the detachments and presents his comments on this issue:

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  1. Far B
    Far B 7 October 2020 05: 20
    +6
    this liberal myth is firmly rooted in the heads of many Russians
    Controversial statement. Sane people know what the detachments are like when they began to operate in the Red Army, when in the Wehrmacht, and that this was never an invention of "bloody commies", but existed long before. Well, you can't prove anything to the insane.
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 7 October 2020 07: 26
      +5
      You can't argue with the stubborn ... you just waste your time.
      The topic has been analyzed more than once or twice into ... molecules! useless, the range of opinions from and to, do not understand where at all.
      1. Old Orc
        Old Orc 7 October 2020 12: 18
        +1
        The stubborn ones need to put pressure on their wallet. By shutting off funding, oxygen can be returned to the brain.
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 7 October 2020 13: 13
          +1
          For some, even oxygen starvation cannot harm, nothing with!
  2. U-58
    U-58 7 October 2020 05: 59
    +5
    All these maxims about barrage detachments are from the same menu as the massively inflated tales of the perestroika times about the Great Terror.
    The stump is clear that the facts took place. And there were rtroads and shot.
    As a fact, there are deserters, cowards, alarmists.
    But if scattered (and not isolated) facts are elevated to the rank of daily bloody practice, then this will be a direct and deliberate distortion of history.
    A striking example is the "Penal Battalion" series, where penalty boxers are shown “for life” punished, where those who have atoned for their guilt with blood are not released and remain eternal penalty boxers until their death in battle.
    1. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 7 October 2020 06: 24
      +3
      Quote: U-58
      the facts took place. And there were rtroads and shot.

      My grandfather got into the penal battalion after captivity. On the second day, a shrapnel cut. I went to the rear, towards the political instructor with a revolver "Where are you going?"
      "It hurt me ..."
      "Oh, come on, walk ..."
      That's the whole detachment.
  3. Errr
    Errr 7 October 2020 07: 39
    -7
    In order to finally dispel the "liberal myth about the detachments" you just need to familiarize yourself with the fundamental document. For brevity, I will quote only the main part of the document, the full text of which can be read here http://armedman.ru/dokumentyi/prikaz-narodnogo-komissara-oboronyi-soyuza-ssr-227-28-iyulya-1942-g.html.
    THE HIGH COMMAND OF THE RED ARMY ORDERS:

    1. The military councils of the fronts and, above all, the commander of the fronts:

    a) to unconditionally eliminate the retreat in the army and with an iron hand to stop the propaganda that we can and must supposedly retreat further east, that there will be no harm from such a retreat;

    b) unconditionally remove from the post and send to Headquarters to attract army commanders to the military court who allowed the unauthorized withdrawal of troops from their positions, without an order from the front command;

    c) to form, within the front, from 1 to 3 (depending on the situation) penal battalions (800 people each), where to send middle and senior commanders and relevant political workers of all military branches who are guilty of violating discipline by cowardice or instability, and put them on more difficult sections of the front to enable them to atone for their crimes against the homeland with blood.

    2. Military councils of armies and above all commanders of armies:

    a) unconditionally remove corps and division commanders and commissioners who allowed unauthorized withdrawal of troops from their positions without orders from the army command, and send them to the military council of the front for trial before a military court;

    b) to form within the army 3-5 well-armed barrage detachments (200 people in each), place them in the immediate rear of unstable divisions and oblige them in case of panic and indiscriminate withdrawal of divisional units to shoot alarmists and cowards on the spot and thus help honest divisional fighters to fulfill my duty to the Motherland;

    c) to form within the army from 5 to 10 (depending on the situation) penal companies (from 150 to 200 people each), where to send ordinary fighters and junior commanders who are guilty of violating discipline by cowardice or instability, and put them in difficult areas army, to give them the opportunity to atone with blood for their crimes before their homeland.

    3. Commanders and Commissars of Corps and Divisions:

    a) unconditionally remove from the posts of commanders and commissars of regiments and battalions who allowed the unauthorized withdrawal of units without the order of a corps or division commander, select orders and medals from them and send them to the military councils of the front to bring them to military court:

    b) provide all kinds of help and support to the army defense units in strengthening order and discipline in the units.

    The order to read in all companies, squadrons, batteries, squadrons, teams, staffs.

    People's Commissar of Defense I. STALIN

    Below is an archived scanned version of order # 227 ("Not one step back!").












    1. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 7 October 2020 12: 21
      +8
      there is nothing bloody in this order. he is simply a necessity in such a war. as well as the fact that the commander can shoot during the battle for cowardice those who did not follow the order and ran. this is war, not ballet. Panic is very contagious and the harm from it will cost even more lives.
      1. Errr
        Errr 7 October 2020 12: 24
        -4
        Quote: carstorm 11
        there is nothing bloody in this order.
        Did I write something about blood? smile
      2. Errr
        Errr 7 October 2020 12: 25
        -2
        Quote: carstorm 11
        there is nothing bloody in this order.
        Did I write something about blood? smile
        1. carstorm 11
          carstorm 11 7 October 2020 12: 29
          0
          ahead of the comments of those who begin to condemn him)
          1. Errr
            Errr 7 October 2020 12: 54
            0
            The sadness here is that the condemnation of this order is tantamount to betrayal, but it arose, as they say, not from a lantern. Its appearance was strictly dictated precisely by the lack of a general fighting spirit in the most critical period of the war. Not everyone wanted to part with their lives in the name of Victory.
    2. Andrey Krasnoyarsky
      Andrey Krasnoyarsky 7 October 2020 15: 02
      +4
      It's good that you cited the text of order 227, about which the creators of the scary tales of the barrage units have no idea. I draw your attention: within the army, a maximum of 5 detachments of 200 people were formed, that is, in the extreme case, it is 1000 soldiers. The army (as a combined-arms unit) is about 100 thousand people. And how could the detachments contain their hundred times superior forces? The sofa whistleblowers have no idea that if the detachment shoots down all the retreating fighters, it will itself hold back the German offensive. Second: the order clearly states that the detachments were not deployed in general in the military rear, but only in the rear of unstable formations. That is, those who have already stained themselves by flight or retreat without an order.
  4. Glory1974
    Glory1974 7 October 2020 13: 38
    +3
    While all sorts of scoundrels will make films like "Penal Battles" and "Bastards", there will be people in our society who believe in these myths.
    By the way, the director Vladimir Menshov, when he went on stage to present the award to the creators of "Bastards", honestly and directly said that this film is a libel and a lie about the war, and he will not present it. He threw the envelope onto the stage and the goro left.
    Unfortunately, this was not shown on TV, but it is on the Internet, so the struggle for our history is going on everywhere and always.
  5. Glory1974
    Glory1974 7 October 2020 13: 38
    +2
    While all sorts of scoundrels will make films like "Penal Battles" and "Bastards", there will be people in our society who believe in these myths.
    By the way, the director Vladimir Menshov, when he went on stage to present the award to the creators of "Bastards", honestly and directly said that this film is a libel and a lie about the war, and he will not present it. He threw the envelope onto the stage and the goro left.
    Unfortunately, this was not shown on TV, but it is on the Internet, so the struggle for our history is going on everywhere and always.
  6. depressant
    depressant 7 October 2020 17: 46
    +1
    In general, this is all strange. In the house of the parents, the day did not pass so that the military did not gather - retirees, veterans of the Great Patriotic War, officers from a neighboring military unit. We discussed the war, episodes. I have never heard of penalties. I learned about the existence of those either from the film, or from the TV series (I don't remember now) - "Penal Battalion". There were probably some people. Bathed in blood. But detachments of NKVD officers? It is highly doubtful.
    1. ikrut
      ikrut 8 October 2020 15: 41
      +2
      I have the same picture. My father went as a soldier from Kharkov to Stalingrad, and from there to Vienna - but I have never heard either from him or from his fellow soldiers anything about barriers and penalty boxes. They talked a lot about Vlasov, about how they retreated near Kharkov and near Budapest too. But those who "met" their own were hitting the Germans, not the retreating ones. Near Kharkov, surrounded by him, he was tried by the "troika" for the "wrong" question during the political information (ASA). But we figured it out and let go. He left the encirclement alone, with weapons and documents. I went out for two weeks. And in Stalingrad, in the last trench near the Volga, he sat. Miraculously saved. He spoke when the last officer-political instructor raised them into the attack - he shouted: "If you forgot that you are Soviet - remember that you are Russian!" Of course, I heard a lot of terrible things. But there was not even a shadow of what the liberals sing today. War is a very cruel thing.
  7. depressant
    depressant 7 October 2020 17: 47
    0
    In general, this is all strange. In the house of the parents, the day did not pass so that the military did not gather - retirees, veterans of the Great Patriotic War, officers from a neighboring military unit. We discussed the war, episodes. I have never heard of penalties. I learned about the existence of those either from the film, or from the TV series (I don't remember now) - "Penal Battalion". There were probably some people. Bathed in blood. But detachments of NKVD officers? It is highly doubtful.
    1. depressant
      depressant 7 October 2020 17: 48
      +2
      Glitches? )))) wassat
  8. maykl8
    maykl8 8 October 2020 15: 48
    +2
    The USSR rifle division defended at the front up to 20 km, and advanced at the front up to 10 km. Number up to 10000 bayonets. She was armed with artillery. Question!: How many NKVD troops are needed to confidently control this division? Answer: Army or 30000 bayonets. Summary: Barrage detachments can only catch deserters in small groups at crossroads and bridges. Controlling offensive or defensive operations - gut. And the aviation? Did a special officer with a revolver sit behind each pilot? And in a submarine? The second crew of their NKVDs? What can a detachment barrage do against a tank brigade that got scared and ran, i.e. went to the rear? The Second World War is a war of divisions, not a company with detachments.