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"Kremlin dreamer" versus "philistine": 100 years of the meeting of Vladimir Lenin and HG Wells

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In Moscow, exactly one hundred years ago, on October 6, 1920, a meeting was held between the English writer Herbert Wells and Vladimir Ilyich Lenin. Many people from all over the world met with Lenin, then the head of young Soviet Russia. H.G. Wells had his own idea of ​​a just world order and ways to build a happy and prosperous society and was by that time already a well-known science fiction writer, publicist, author of philosophical essays and historical essays. Therefore, the meeting was of mutual interest.


Lenin was interested in the reaction of the world, in particular the English press, society to the revolution in Russia. Discussed articles and works about the revolution and the situation in Russia, published abroad. He was especially worried about the question of why the Western world does not support our revolution and overthrow capitalism following the example of Russia. Lenin was at that time obsessed with the idea of ​​a world revolution and very much hoped that it would soon happen. Wells tried to find out what the social revolution carried out by the Bolsheviks gave the people, as well as what Lenin intends to do with the country, what state he wants to build as a result, and what is being done to overcome the existing economic and social problems.

Lenin soberly assessed the situation in the country and recognized the existence of large-scale problems in building communism, difficulties in the economy and the social sphere due to the military devastation, as well as due to the external threat and rejection of Soviet Russia by the capitalist environment. Lenin asked Wells his impressions of what he saw in Russia and heard in response his opinion about the unacceptability and harsh assessments of what was happening, unpleasant impressions of the state of the country.

Lenin told Wells about plans to transform the country, including about the electrification of Russia, intentions to build large power plants for the needs of the population, transport and industry, about providing light to the provinces of Russia, about the restoration of destroyed railways and their electrification, the construction of highways throughout the country , about industrialization, and how through this a new and happy communist country will be created.

Wells expressed great doubts about all these Leninist plans, which he did not hesitate to talk about. These descriptions of a wonderful future and the confidence of the leader of the revolution in their reality, the optimism and pressure of Lenin against the backdrop of devastation in the country prompted Wells to call Lenin a "Kremlin dreamer" - a definition that has become a catch phrase. Although later he somewhat corrected his opinion and said that "Lenin was, at least, a really great man." He also talked about public education. Wells praised the measures taken by the Soviet government on this issue. Saying goodbye, Lenin said: "Come again in ten years and see what has been done in Russia during this time." Wells described his impressions in the essay "Russia in the Dark", which Lenin carefully read and called Wells a philistine and philistine.

P.S. Philistine is a contemptuous name for a narrow-minded person devoted to routine; a smug bourgeoisie, an ignorant philistine, characterized by hypocritical, sanctimonious behavior.
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  1. Virus-free crown
    Virus-free crown 6 October 2020 16: 42 New
    40
    That's for sure, the Bolsheviks with Russia were able to do something that even science fiction writers never dreamed of !!! good
    From a wretched peasant country they made a world space power in half a century !!! drinks
    Having defeated the most powerful army in the world! Honor and praise !!! fellow
    1. Kaw
      Kaw 6 October 2020 16: 51 New
      -34 qualifying.
      It was not Lenin who did this, but Lenin became disillusioned with Marx's ideas and began to build the NEP.
      1. tatra
        tatra 6 October 2020 17: 05 New
        19
        No, unlike the enemies of the Communists, who seized Russia, who had already shied away at the Russian people with capitalism since January 2, 1992, the Bolsheviks, for the good of the country and the people, arranged an 8-year transition period from capitalism to socialism, they themselves began to develop, modernize the country, and Russian and foreign bourgeois were allowed to work.
        1. Esoteric
          Esoteric 6 October 2020 17: 54 New
          -26 qualifying.
          Well, yes, they did. Kind what. Especially grandfather Ilyich. Shoot, lime at the roots, drive into concentration camps - this kind grandfather respected this very much. They had nowhere to go. He probably thought that the people, in a deep impulse, would start working for free, building communism, he was dreaming of building it, in tattered trousers and with a hungry belly. Peasant uprisings, workers' strikes - although it would seem, why should the hegemon go on strike, he became the master of the country.
          However, Lenin and his associates became the master of the country. And it is not necessary that he ate potatoes. The Kremlin canteen was very good at that time. It is interesting to read Babel's recollection of this time. How he arrived in St. Petersburg and went to the Cheka, to his friends, lit up Alexander III's cigarettes, which the Turkish Sultan sent him as a gift, and tried on his dressing gown, and was surprised that he was darned.
          The atrocities of Bela Kun and Zemlyachka do not lend themselves to normal comprehension at all. There is rather something demonic. As for Stalin, the gratitude to him is that he destroyed this entire gang.
          1. apro
            apro 6 October 2020 18: 03 New
            17
            Quote: Ezoterik
            However, Lenin became the master of the country.

            And how much dough did Ilyich raise? Where are the yachts. Palaces? Inbank accounts. Citizenship of the nations? Did the Kaiser give him the dough for the revolution?
            1. Esoteric
              Esoteric 6 October 2020 18: 14 New
              -21 qualifying.
              And why were they to him? What to buy then? And so everything is. And money to the Comintern. He needs them more than the poor people. The Comintern supported the communists in those countries where they had already been. At first, the French were "proud" - until 1922 they did not take money from foreigners, they financed themselves. But then they took it. The budgets of the Communist Parties in Slovakia, the Czech Republic, Italy, England - from 200 to 500 thousand rubles in gold.
              “The Germans took money from the very beginning, and in 1921 alone they received more than 5 and a half million marks“ for the revolution. ”It was a fund to support the failed German revolution of 1923.
              In November 1921, the Frunze mission took away a million rubles in gold Kemal Pasha for the development of the revolution in Turkey.
              In March 1922 (when the campaign to "confiscate church valuables" began), 5 gold rubles were distributed through the Comintern's budget, and through extra-budgetary funds - 536 gold rubles for the revolution in Korea, 400 - the Communist Party of Estonia, 600 - the Communist Party of Finland , 13 thousand - the Communist Party of Latvia.
              Moreover, there was practically no reporting system at all. Extreme secrecy! The only way to distribute money was simple: through proxies. The “trusted” received money and jewelry, wrote a receipt ... And where he spent, he did not tell anyone - except that he was given a receipt by a functionary of a lower rank. "
              1. apro
                apro 6 October 2020 18: 23 New
                +6
                Quote: Ezoterik
                And why were they to him?

                How strange you are ... he's the owner. Or are you not talking about something? Took power to walk to your heart's content ... it's in Russian.
                And these tsiferki ... it was VILENIN who translated the loot as now the correct Russians are being transferred to the offshore? Robbed Russia? Or conducted an effective monetary policy? Or was he a maniac?
                1. Temples
                  Temples 6 October 2020 19: 59 New
                  -9
                  Quote: Corona without virus
                  From a wretched peasant country

                  This is your wretched brain.
                  Our country has never been squalid. The country is people.
                  1. Temples
                    Temples 6 October 2020 20: 04 New
                    -16 qualifying.
                    Quote: apro
                    And these tsiferki ... it was VILENIN who translated the loot as now the correct Russians are being transferred to the offshore? Robbed Russia? Or conducted an effective monetary policy? Or was he a maniac?

                    No Lenin first surrendered half of the country to the Germans. And then he organized a civil war.
                    There is no time for offshore companies.
                    He simply killed the Russians as much as he could without stopping.
                    Killed everyone who did not agree with him. Who didn't want to live as a commune.
                    He killed those who lived their own family. He killed those who believed that a common wife is debauchery.

                    This ghoul did not need Russia and the Russian people, he needed a world revolution.
                    People were rubbish to him.

                    Of course he's not a maniac. Any maniac in comparison with him is simply an unreasonable child, Lenin is a terrorist. Who never hid it. Staged terror all over Russia.

                    Ghoul.
                    1. Malyuta
                      Malyuta 6 October 2020 20: 17 New
                      12
                      Quote: Temples
                      Lenin first surrendered half of the country to the Germans. And then he organized a civil war.
                      There is no time for offshore companies.
                      He simply killed the Russians as much as he could without stopping.

                      And tell me, did he eat the children?
          2. tatra
            tatra 6 October 2020 18: 06 New
            +3
            Yes, I don’t need anti-Soviet manuals, and the hypocritical "philanthropy" of the enemies of the USSR and the Soviet people, which you include exclusively in your false and hypocritical anti-Sovietism to justify your capture of the USSR. What I like about it is that here, after all, the enemies of the communists are higher in intelligence and self-awareness than all the other enemies of the communists. BUT all the same sometimes come across like this.
            1. Esoteric
              Esoteric 6 October 2020 18: 45 New
              -7
              Social Democrat by conviction. Opponent of communist averaging. A talented, intelligent, enterprising person should live better than others. He "made" himself. And to be honest, what's wrong with that?
              But the state must take upon itself the responsibility for taxes that people pay, provide a normal standard of living for those who, for one reason or another, are unlucky, who cannot shine with intelligence and be enterprising. A person works as a janitor - he should have a good standard of living and not need anything. Likewise, disabled people should receive a good pension. Medicine and education should be free, completely, absolutely free. This, in my understanding, should be the state, and without any "isms". You can open your own business, please. If you can't - work and earn decent money. If anything, I'm from the second, only the salary is "laughter and tears", but there is no rejection of those who themselves, honestly, earn money.
              1. tatra
                tatra 6 October 2020 18: 55 New
                +1
                And why do I need this "fiery speech"? Squealing about the mythical "leveling" in the USSR created a system in which large incomes and salaries are received not by the smart and talented, not by those who have brought great benefit and income to the country and the people, but useless parasites on the neck of the people, as it was in the praised by these parasites "Russia We Lost" in October 1917. Therefore, the post-Soviet period is a total degradation of all branches of the country and the quality of power in comparison with the Soviet period.
                1. Esoteric
                  Esoteric 6 October 2020 19: 07 New
                  -4
                  Well, this is "fiery" about what, in my purely my understanding, the state should be, and not about what is now. I do not in any way deify "French roll crunch", and the horrors of life of the workers of the same Britain of those times plunge into dismay. I don't like these "isms", it's better without them.
                  1. tatra
                    tatra 6 October 2020 19: 15 New
                    -2
                    Well, you can dream a lot. But we have reality, and it is.
          3. DymOk_v_dYmke
            DymOk_v_dYmke 6 October 2020 19: 09 New
            +8
            Quote: Ezoterik
            How he arrived in St. Petersburg and went to the Cheka, to his friends, lit up the cigarettes of Alexander III, which the Turkish Sultan sent him as a gift, and tried on his dressing gown, and was surprised that he was darned.

            As I understand it, Babel himself was very darned.
            Too many darned Odessa citizens joined the top of the Soviet regime at its dawn.
            And in the Cheka too. That's where they made up the majority and complete * oops happened.
            These were the Trotskyists in their outlook, for whom foreign peoples are brushwood for revolutions / coups. The "Russian Georgian" also fought with them.
            Quote: Ezoterik
            As for Stalin, the gratitude to him is that he destroyed this entire gang.

            Trotskyist gang.
            It's a pity, not to the root.
            The counter-revolutionary coup and the collapse of the USSR are the work of the last of that gang.

            PS Dig, and you will find that Trotsky's grandson worked as an adviser to the US President.
            1. Temples
              Temples 6 October 2020 20: 16 New
              -3
              Quote: DymOk_v_dYmke
              The counter-revolutionary coup and the collapse of the USSR are the work of the last of that gang.

              The collapse of the USSR was the work of the communists. No one else.
              Greedy people who threw hundreds of millions of people.
              First, they killed all those who disagreed.
              Then they began to kill their own kind.
              And in the end, they plundered the country and divided it into parts.

              People in 91 voted to preserve the country, but the majority was in favor of removing the communists from power.
              But the communists changed their shoes on the fly. they threw out party cards and privatized the country.

              In fact, we still live under the control of those very communists, but now they call themselves differently.

              It is not easy to get rid of this infection.

              Of all the Communist Caudas, we can only pay tribute to Brezhnev, who built socialism.
              It is this time that people remember with good words.
              1. Malyuta
                Malyuta 6 October 2020 20: 20 New
                +8
                Quote: Temples
                The collapse of the USSR was the work of the communists.

                And whose creation of the USSR was it?
        2. Thunderbringer
          Thunderbringer 6 October 2020 18: 00 New
          -10 qualifying.
          This is a lie, as always with the Communists.
          The communists themselves sold their own country.
          From communists they became bourgeois, as they have long dreamed of.
          1. tatra
            tatra 6 October 2020 18: 08 New
            +9
            Ha, but there is at least something out of 103 years after the October Revolution, to which you, the enemies of the communists, would have "to do with", except for what you GOT after the destruction of the USSR, and because of what all of you and "now better than under the communists in the USSR "?
            1. Temples
              Temples 6 October 2020 20: 26 New
              -8
              There is no civil war now
              Now there are no murders of those who disagree with the communist idea.
              Nowadays, everyone drives their asses in private cars.
              Now the borders are open and the Russian people are catching a tan in Turkey, Egypt and other countries.
              Now you can write what you want and you will not be put up against the wall for it;
              Now you will not be sent to the camp to cut wood or dig the ground at the command of your neighbor

              Now life goes on as usual.
              And now you yearn for a just world.
              Only communists and justice are incompatible concepts,
              1. tatra
                tatra 6 October 2020 20: 39 New
                0
                Do NOT boast that YOU, the enemies of the Communists, have not unleashed your next war in Russia, do not boast that you HAVE at the expense of someone else's labor, you are hanging around the world for the money you have not earned. You don't need your anti-Soviet myths that the communists repressed you and shot you exclusively "for nothing." I asked a simple question. Why are you, enemies of the communists - what has to do with what you did in the Soviet and post-Soviet periods - from the Civil War you unleashed after the October Revolution in order to capture Russia by you - to responsibility for your capture of Russia / USSR and the results of your highly paid WORK for 30 years after the capture of the USSR / Russia, and for which you took full responsibility, and did not whine cowardly, "but we have nothing to do with it, it's all the communists to blame", "but we have nothing to do with it, it was in the USSR, until now so far we disentangle "?
              2. 9PA
                9PA 7 October 2020 04: 23 New
                0
                I want to build factories, tanks, planes, supercomputers, I want to go into space. Ilyich, get up, they ooh ... ate
              3. Ross xnumx
                Ross xnumx 7 October 2020 07: 21 New
                +1
                You left so many "postulates" here that it would be impolite to answer everything in a crowd, get mad and run ... I'll start in order.
                Quote: Temples
                There is no civil war now

                What do you mean by civil war? Probably an armed confrontation between various social groups in a single country? But that was in the early 90s ... With the shooting of parliament, with the physical destruction of opponents of "privatization" and the appropriation of state property. Or do you think that the population of Russia just stopped growing for 30 years because of the complete satisfaction with the current situation? Or can a civil war be waged in a different way, when the suppression of the opposing forces is carried out by anti-popular reforms and a cynically monstrous social policy? When the losses in this "war" are not even commensurate with the losses of the population in the Second World War?
                Quote: Temples
                Now there are no murders of those who disagree with the communist idea.

                But this does not mean that you can stand in a solitary picket or live happily ever after bypassing administrative or house arrest, not to mention cases of murders in doorways of houses or accidental indigestion.
                Quote: Temples
                Nowadays, everyone drives their asses in private cars.

                Asses crushing the seats of personal cars are not an indicator of wealth or any kind of security. The indicator is the cost of a car, which ranges from ordinary credit bondage to the lifetime earnings of the average Russian.
                Quote: Temples
                Now the borders are open and the Russian people are catching a tan in Turkey, Egypt and other countries.

                I will not even give statistics on this "catch". For example, for thirty years this has not been possible for me, and my neighbors could afford to use "gear" every year. And my brother could afford "this" even more than once a year.
                Quote: Temples
                Now you can write what you want and you will not be put up against the wall for it;

                Why put someone up against the wall and fall under the punishment of international human rights institutions, while losing the right to visit and purchase something abroad? There are dozens of ways to ruin any person's career and reputation ... Or you can bring yourself to suicide (self-immolation).
                Quote: Temples
                Now you will not be sent to the camp to cut wood or dig the ground at the command of your neighbor

                Conspiracy of a neighbor “a hex of edros” - strife! Here you can sit down for a couple of million, or you can steal in wagons ... Well, you know:

                Quote: Temples
                Now life goes on as usual.

                Completely "in the hole". Some continue to build up their fortunes, take their finances offshore, pollute nature, sit in a bunker, while others have been muzzled and left, as always, to survive. What can you do - capitalism ...
                Quote: Temples
                And now you yearn for a just world.

                There is no particular yearning for a just world. There is a growing yearning for equality of laws for all without exception, for the rule of law over telephone law and before the property qualification (social status) of a criminal (violator). If you want, there is a doubt that these "forks" in the legislation contribute to the appearance of justice in the decision taken by the judge, and ensure the complete absence of any interest in it.
                Quote: Temples
                Only communists and justice are incompatible concepts,

                It's right. The concepts most compatible with justice are capitalism, “zeroing”, amending the constitution by “bare popping”, establishing privileges and additional statuses for ourselves, a real decrease in the income of the working population against the background of an increase in the number of billionaires and millionaires and their aggregate wealth. And with this very justice, the budgets of the regions and the amount of expenses in thousands of rubles per capita of the population living in them are combined.
      2. Valerikk
        Valerikk 6 October 2020 17: 58 New
        10
        Lenin laid the foundation for all this - he saved Russia.
        And the NEP is not at all a disillusionment with the ideas of Marx.
        “We are pursuing this policy seriously and for a long time, but, of course, as already noted, not forever”
        1. Yura
          Yura 6 October 2020 19: 37 New
          +5
          Quote: Valerikk
          Lenin laid the foundation for all this - he saved Russia.

          If you evaluate the situation in principle, then this is true. By the way, according to the article - there, at the end of the conversation, Lenin suggested that Wells come ten years later and make sure, and he came, for obvious reasons, he already met with Stalin, the conversation was not simple, but interesting. I have a 34-year-old book of Stalin's speeches and speeches, it contains this conversation in full. And according to the article above, which we are discussing, it is impossible to write such things to evoke incomprehensible emotions among commentators, these were meetings of iconic people and stop and the other side, they were also important ideologically, through Wales, to which the whole world tried to convey their ideas, vision of the future and achievements to which the USSR was striving. Neither Lenin nor Stalin would have met such a person as the author presents him to us. It is not difficult for the author to be objective, for this, by the way, they also pay, try it.
      3. solzh
        solzh 6 October 2020 23: 17 New
        +1
        Quote: Kaw
        It was not Lenin who did this

        Not Lenin, but it was Lenin who laid the foundation for the economic and political power of the USSR.
        Quote: Kaw
        Lenin became disillusioned with the ideas of Marx

        laughing Do you believe that? laughing
    2. stas
      stas 6 October 2020 17: 34 New
      16
      Lenin is now missing in the Kremlin with the Bolsheviks.
      Many Eaters of Russia would have lost their appetite to steal, in the Cheka!
      1. Thunderbringer
        Thunderbringer 6 October 2020 18: 00 New
        -12 qualifying.
        Yeah, we must again put 20 million in the struggle for the happiness of the communists.
        1. stas
          stas 6 October 2020 18: 04 New
          12
          If there is no mind, do not meddle in forecasting! The story develops only forward, in an upward spiral upward. China cost 3 thousand!
          And in Russia, 50 bourgeoisie was enough to plant and not kill, the rest themselves will return the money to the state and the people.
          1. Malyuta
            Malyuta 6 October 2020 20: 30 New
            0
            Quote: stas
            And in Russia, 50 bourgeoisie was enough to plant and not kill, the rest themselves will return the money to the state and the people

            50 bourgeois are the closest circle of a friend of friends and the doctor prescribed the highest measure of social protection to all of them.
          2. your1970
            your1970 6 October 2020 22: 09 New
            +3
            Quote: stas
            China cost 3 thousand!
            -120 000 shot for corruption in more than 20 years. Judging by the fact that they shoot non-stop, it doesn't help ...
        2. Pavel57
          Pavel57 6 October 2020 18: 18 New
          -4
          Comrade Trotsky put a round sum in his pocket from the deal for the purchase of steam locomotives.
        3. DymOk_v_dYmke
          DymOk_v_dYmke 6 October 2020 19: 21 New
          +2
          Quote: Thunderbringer
          Yeah, we must again put 20 million in the struggle for the happiness of the communists.

          Why is it so modest?
          Write already 146% of the population put.
          Keep up with the liberal CEC.
    3. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid 6 October 2020 17: 44 New
      +9
      Quote: parusnik
      which Lenin carefully read and called Wells a philistine and philistine.
      ... "Philistine about a revolutionary" Article by L.D. Trotsky. 1924

      And what has this philistine created in his fevered brain? On Mars - a super-civilization of cyborg vampires. On Earth in the future --- the transition from capitalism to cannibalism. On the moon - a humane, peaceful civilization, but unable to defend itself. At the depths of the ocean, a race of lizards is essentially no different from us. And the island of Dr. Moreau --- "" tales of a sadist-humanist "" ...
      1. Thunderbringer
        Thunderbringer 6 October 2020 18: 02 New
        -10 qualifying.
        And what did Lenin create?
        If it were not for Stalin, his entire structure would have come to an end back in the 30s.
        1. tatra
          tatra 6 October 2020 18: 42 New
          +1
          Lenin created a social state for the people, which Lenin's enemies plundered, ruined, dismembered.
          1. Pavel57
            Pavel57 6 October 2020 20: 10 New
            -5
            Hammer and sickle as a symbol of the unity of the German proletariat and the Russian peasantry. True, the world revolution has not gone.
            1. tatra
              tatra 6 October 2020 20: 21 New
              0
              First, what does the German proletariat have to do with it? The CPSU (b) was the party of the workers of Russia. And secondly, on the other hand, Lenin's enemies with the "world revolution" went down 103 years after the October Revolution, they staged dozens of coups d'etat in the world.
          2. Zementbomber
            Zementbomber 7 October 2020 00: 22 New
            -3
            Exactly? Exactly exactly ?? In which the universal state old-age pension insurance was introduced from October 1, 1989 (not typo) of the year ?? negative
            1. Grim Reaper
              Grim Reaper 7 October 2020 03: 48 New
              +1
              Quote: Zementbomber
              Exactly? Exactly exactly ?? In which the universal state old-age pension insurance was introduced from October 1, 1989 (not typo) of the year ?? negative

              Either at penalty. Dad retired at 52. With a pension of 160 rubles (1980), this is a lot of money at that time. Then the maximum pension was about 130 rubles. But he did 160 for 25 years of "hot" experience.
              Rather, I got my pension at 78m, quit at 80m, health ... and I worked for 2 years after 50.
              1. Zementbomber
                Zementbomber 7 October 2020 16: 29 New
                +1
                I'm very happy for your dad. Fair. And my maternal grandmother began receiving her pension in October 1989, at the age of 77. And before that - 12 rubles were charged on it. from the pension of her husband, my grandfather. Since until 01.10.89, those who had less than 5 years of work experience or did not have it at all were supposed to either 3 rubles. 20 kopecks (and this is still "dirty"), or the accrual of 10% of the husband / wife's pension (if he / she was also retired by age), but not more than 12 rubles.
                1. boris epstein
                  boris epstein 8 October 2020 18: 00 New
                  0
                  "Since before 01.10.89, those who had less than 5 years of work experience or did not have it at all were supposed to either 3 rubles. 20 k"
                  So maybe you still had to WORK and pay taxes? My paternal grandfather retired in 1957, my maternal grandfather retired in 1964, my mother retired in 1982. But they had a work experience that exceeded that established by the law on pensions for men and for women.
        2. Vol4ara
          Vol4ara 6 October 2020 19: 10 New
          -1
          Quote: Thunderbringer
          And what did Lenin create?
          If it were not for Stalin, his entire structure would have come to an end back in the 30s.

          Besides Stalin, there was also Trotsky. And none of the leaders ever belittled the cult of Lenin's personality, he was held in high esteem for everyone
        3. Valerikk
          Valerikk 7 October 2020 12: 54 New
          +1
          Quote: Thunderbringer
          And what did Lenin create?
          If it were not for Stalin, his entire structure would have come to an end back in the 30s.

          In fact, Lenin died in 1924. And Stalin always called himself Lenin's disciple.
          1. Nikolai Korovin
            Nikolai Korovin 7 October 2020 22: 14 New
            0
            He had no other option but to position himself as a student of Lenin. Otherwise, they would not have understood him, since he did not do what Lenin had in mind, and dismantled much of what he had introduced. First of all, it should be noted that Lenin hoped that the NEP would be the locomotive that would pull the country out of ruin. It was a utopia. By the end of the 20s, both the level of industrial production and the production of marketable grain were significantly below the level of 1913. The devastation caused not so much by the world as by the civil war was far from being fully overcome, which forced Stalin, in the midst of an acute internal political struggle, to cover up the NEP and work out a plan for the 1st five-year plan of accelerated industrialization and collectivization. Lenin's project absolutely did not provide for such measures. And despite the individual mistakes of Stalin, which, of course, were not subject to criticism from below, but on the contrary, he criticized, and sometimes very harshly, others for them, it should be admitted that he saw much further than anyone in the world, and it was these measures, despite their unpopularity with a significant part of the population, ultimately ensured victory in the Great Patriotic War.
            1. Valerikk
              Valerikk 8 October 2020 13: 08 New
              +2
              It was not for nothing that I wrote that Lenin died in 1924, and that he retired earlier.
              Lenin is a great tactician, like Stalin.
              According to Molotov's recollections: "Lenin planned NEP as a temporary retreat, and a year later, in 1922, came forward and said that it was time to end NEP."
              1. Nikolai Korovin
                Nikolai Korovin 8 October 2020 14: 11 New
                0
                I didn't know that. I had the impression that in 1922 Lenin had no particular influence on anything - I don't know how true the version about the personal issue of the Pravda newspaper is, but I admit it. I know little on this matter. Well, I was resting in Gorki, in the photo of the summer of 1922 with N.K.K. on the bench looks like decent. So another question - why would this twist him so sharply. But if, say, "How do we reorganize the Rabkrin" - in general, a thing is quite adequate, but already unrealizable at that moment, then the letter about the rudeness of Comrade Stalin already, as it were, belongs to a person who is somewhat out of his mind. But with NEP it's time to end - yes. Strong. The heirs did not obey. And this is hardly Stalin's fault - at the time of Lenin's death, he still did not have full power. If the NEP began to actually be dismantled in 1922 and industrialization and collectivization were carried out at a more moderate pace, it would have been much easier and not in such an emergency order. There would be time for economic maneuver without direct sanctions against dissenting segments of the population.
                1. Valerikk
                  Valerikk 8 October 2020 16: 43 New
                  +1
                  Regarding the "Letter to the Congress" - a number of historians have serious doubts about the authorship of Vladimir Ilyich. He smacks of Trotsky very much. As an indirect confirmation - after the announcement of this letter at the congress, Stalin proposed his resignation from the post of General. secretary, and only Trotsky's supporters voted in favor.
    4. ArioN
      ArioN 6 October 2020 18: 12 New
      +8
      Quote: Crown without virus
      That's for sure, the Bolsheviks with Russia were able to do something that even science fiction writers never dreamed of !!! good
      From a wretched peasant country they made a world space power in half a century !!! drinks
      Having defeated the most powerful army in the world! Honor and praise !!! fellow

      Reading the history of Soviet Russia myself, I am surprised at how this is possible .. It is truly inhuman possibilities to create such an industrial state from a backward, illiterate, robbed and bloodless country (civil war, etc.) and then break the back of fascist Europe and become a world power pioneer in Space, etc. Who is helping Russia? And even in the 90s, in fact, the country is on its side and suddenly the rise begins again .. This is fantastic!
      1. azkolt
        azkolt 7 October 2020 20: 57 New
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        Reading your post, I also wonder how it is possible to write such nonsense !? The backward country was the second fastest growing country after the United States. The backward country had the largest working wages in Europe. A backward country built its own aircraft carriers! She would have ceased to be illiterate at 21, 10 years, approximately earlier. than under the USSR. It became drained of blood after the civil war unleashed by the same communists and their most important principle of the development of the imperialist war into a civil war! She became bloodless after the death of 10 million people in this war. Another 6 million died in the Volga region, where the communists forcibly held the population so that they would not scatter to feed. After the emigration of about two million people, she became bloodless, and not the worst. It just becomes enviable when you read what areas of science, medicine, are founded in countries that have sheltered Russian emigrants, for example, Bulgaria. Yugoslavia!
        Industrial Russia would still have become without the revolution and not at such a price, when the people, like the Bolsheviks, were broken over the knee, and several million people were killed along the way in collectivization!
        They broke the back of fascist Europe, yes, but at what cost did we get this breaking? And there would be no need to break if it were not for the revolution. Russia would not let Germany humiliate so much, which means there would be no reason for fascism!
        Yes, we became a pioneer in space and it's true! It’s just interesting to know what kind of work it all got, all through overstrain, for the sake of ideology! And the Americans also flew without straining themselves and were the first to land on the moon. And everything is calm, they did not tear their veins and did not sleep at night!
        And it’s fantastic, it’s true that our country is still alive, although the people were already tired of the constant enthusiasm in the 50s and 60s!
      2. Nikolai Korovin
        Nikolai Korovin 8 October 2020 21: 57 New
        0
        I don’t remember which of the statesmen of Russia in the 60th century said that its existence can only be explained by the fact that it is directly controlled by the Lord God. Atheists, of course, will not agree - I am aware that I myself was an atheist-pantheist with some bias towards Apollo, but now it seems to me that this is exactly the case. And now there are all sorts of graters about the relationship between the Church and the State - well, so the Church from its time recognized like I.V. Stalin's God-given leader. Or something like that. In general, God - God, And Caesar - Caesar. But N.S. Khrushchev had clearly arrived from the moon. I remember there was an inscription on the rear side of trucks in the early XNUMXs: "Well, sure - don't overtake." Wits were finishing writing - "America".
    5. paul3390
      paul3390 6 October 2020 20: 33 New
      +3
      Lenin, Stalin, Beria - these are the three titans whom the Lord God in His great mercy sent to Russia, because, apparently, he still needed Russia. (C)
      1. azkolt
        azkolt 7 October 2020 21: 07 New
        -2
        Why only these three? And what do they mean without Comrade Trotsky, who created the Red Army? Without Comrade Sverdlov, this gray cardinal organizer? Without comrades Dzerzhinsky and Uritsky, these knights without fear and reproach, as well as Menzhinsky, Unshlikht, Yagoda, Trilisser? Without comrades Litvinov (Wallach) who spent the entire civilian life in London and did a lot to ensure that all representatives of the Entente at the All-Union Soviet of Socialist Republics say one thing, but in fact put a spoke in the wheels of the White command!
        NEVER MIND! SO THREE ZERO WITHOUT A STICK!
  2. Svarog
    Svarog 6 October 2020 16: 43 New
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    P.S. Philistine is a contemptuous name for a narrow-minded person devoted to routine; a smug bourgeoisie, an ignorant philistine, characterized by hypocritical, sanctimonious behavior.

    This is how our "elite" should be called
    1. apro
      apro 6 October 2020 16: 55 New
      +7
      Quote: Svarog
      This is how our "elite" should be called

      No, it's too tricky ... it's just bandits.
  3. apro
    apro 6 October 2020 16: 53 New
    +9
    If VILENIN was a dreamer in the Kremlin, who is in the Kremlin today? fairy...
    He talked about industrialization and electrification .... what are they talking about today? About optimization.
  4. tatra
    tatra 6 October 2020 17: 01 New
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    Let's imagine that now the Bolsheviks led by Lenin have captured Russia. And on whose side would the people be, on the side of the Bolsheviks, or on the side of officials, the rich and richest bourgeoisie, the "elite"? The answer is obvious.
    1. apro
      apro 6 October 2020 17: 04 New
      +4
      Quote: tatra
      The answer is obvious.

      It's not so simple, dear Tatra ... if self-awareness is at the previous level, it’s not a fact. People should be dealt with.
      1. tatra
        tatra 6 October 2020 17: 09 New
        +7
        The people are ready, which is what the enemies of the communists are so madly afraid of, therefore, as soon as they saw the rapidly growing popularity of the candidate in the elections Grudinin among the patriots of Russia, even before the last "Putin elections", they attacked him with all of anger and hatred, rudeness and insults, because that they are even afraid of Lenin's "pale shadow".
        1. Esoteric
          Esoteric 6 October 2020 18: 19 New
          -7
          I always like these communists. They are always for the fact that someone would build communism. Someone, not them, personally, God forbid, erected great construction projects in mud up to their knees. Their destiny is to shine with speeches, and to direct the "masses of the people", what an ugly word, to great achievements. Taking a shovel yourself, no, no, this is not the business of leading comrades.
          The big trouble is that it was not the Mensheviks who took power in Russia. This was a normal social democratic trend. Which would have happened if the Bolsheviks had not dispersed the constituent assembly, where the people "gave them a ride" in free elections. The people were not impressed by them. Well, the response from the Bolsheviks was typical - the shooting in St. Petersburg of a demonstration of workers in support of the Constituent Assembly from machine guns.
          1. apro
            apro 6 October 2020 18: 33 New
            -4
            Quote: Ezoterik
            Their destiny is to shine with speeches, and to direct the "masses of the people", what an ugly word, to great achievements. Take a shovel yourself, no, no, this is not the business of leading comrades

            Yes ... yes ... just like the current ruling party .... only the results are different. Do not know why? Maybe they scratched with their tongue more effectively? And skillfully?
            1. Esoteric
              Esoteric 6 October 2020 18: 49 New
              -4
              Well, today's then, former members of which party?
              1. apro
                apro 6 October 2020 18: 52 New
                -3
                Quote: Ezoterik
                Well, today's then, former members of which party?

                Normal.bourgeois..Eating Russia.we were all small ... and then seized the people's property ... and away we go ... everything suits the scoundrel.
          2. tatra
            tatra 6 October 2020 18: 47 New
            +2
            Yes, you, enemies of Lenin on the territory of the USSR with your inadequately high self-esteem, not only always, both under the USSR and after the capture of the USSR, parasitized and parasitized at the expense of other people's labor, but also proved that you are parasites in terms of mentality. Did you admit under the USSR that you need a country only in order to have a lot of things, that 30 years after your capture of the USSR you boast not about what you did useful for your country and people, but only about what you got at the expense of someone else labor.
          3. Svarog
            Svarog 6 October 2020 18: 59 New
            +6
            Quote: Ezoterik
            The big trouble is that it was not the Mensheviks who took power in Russia. This was a normal social democratic trend.

            The same trend was in Germany, but later it disappeared and with the help of this trend the Germans managed to eliminate the communist movement, after which Hitler came to power .. I mean that Social Democrats or Mensheviks would come to power in Russia, then Russia would no longer exist.
            Although it is the Social Democrats who are most impressed ... but studying the topic, I begin to come to the conclusion that this model will not work ..
            There is a channel on YouTube - "Keep course" look, very interesting and informative.

            1. Esoteric
              Esoteric 6 October 2020 19: 18 New
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              Thank you. You know, I have always held the opinion that if a person is honest, it is very important, he has earned his living, a luxurious life, then there is nothing wrong with that. Take J.K. Rowling for example. In a cafeteria for the unemployed, she wrote a book that the whole world read and became a billionaire. In my understanding, everything is fair. There is nothing wrong with that.
              I just can't, and why, because of this, be angry with her, and want to "dispossess" of her? In my opinion it will be abnormal: =))
  5. parusnik
    parusnik 6 October 2020 17: 27 New
    +5
    which Lenin carefully read and called Wells a philistine and philistine.
    ... "Philistine about a revolutionary" Article by L.D. Trotsky. 1924
  6. TAMBU
    TAMBU 6 October 2020 17: 28 New
    +2
    It was a conversation between people of different levels of development. One was with advanced knowledge and thinking, the second was Wells, whom Lenin gave, according to his custom, a very precise and probably the only possible definition - a philistine ...
    1. parusnik
      parusnik 6 October 2020 17: 35 New
      +4
      According to his custom, Lenin gave a very precise and probably the only possible definition - a philistine ...
      ... We know this from the words of Trotsky L.D. from the article "Philistine about the Revolutionary".
    2. Esoteric
      Esoteric 6 October 2020 18: 53 New
      -4
      What advanced knowledge? Mathematician, physicist, chemist? Is Marxism progressive knowledge? Or did he know the needs of the working class without working a single day in his life? By the way, what did he live on? Switzerland is an expensive country.
      1. TAMBU
        TAMBU 7 October 2020 11: 19 New
        +2
        The sciences are also humanitarian. Yes - Marxism at that time was an advanced knowledge as a further development of dialectics in the plane of social relations. Not working a single day in his life - "Having received a first-degree law degree, Vladimir Ulyanov left for Samara, where from January 1892 to August 1893 he worked in the Samara District Court as an assistant to attorney at law A. N. Khadrin. ... in August 1893, Ulyanov moved from Samara to St. Petersburg, where on September 3 (15), 1893, on the recommendation of the Samara lawyer Hardin, he was assigned as an assistant attorney to the St. Petersburg lawyer MF Volkenstein, where he worked until 1895 ... ".
        And about "what he lived for" - take the trouble to look for yourself ...
  7. Valerikk
    Valerikk 6 October 2020 17: 32 New
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    In 1920: "Lenin, who, as a true Marxist, rejects all 'utopians', ultimately fell into a utopia himself, a utopia of electrification. He is doing everything in his power to create large power plants in Russia that will provide entire provinces with energy for lighting, He said that two districts had already been electrified by way of experience. has trade and industry died out? "

    In 1934: "Now, looking through my book, written fourteen years ago, I must admit that Lenin was at least a really great man."
  8. Radikal
    Radikal 6 October 2020 17: 35 New
    +4
    Wells praised the measures taken by the Soviet government on this issue. Saying goodbye, Lenin said: "Come again in ten years and see what has been done in Russia during this time."
    For some reason, the author of the article did not write that H. Wells returned, though not 10, but 14 years later, and on July 23, 1934, he received an interview with Stalin. sad
    1. Sergei Sovetkin
      6 October 2020 18: 34 New
      -1
      Because we are talking about a meeting with Lenin, and not with Stalin. And this is more news information for the 100th anniversary of the event.
  9. stas
    stas 6 October 2020 17: 42 New
    +4
    Russian eaters have a Sabbath on VO, like devils in Hell!
    But there is God - justice and human conscience, which the Eaters of Russia cannot understand!
    Let's wait and the Russian Eaters will get their place on the bunk in Magadan!
  10. imobile2008
    imobile2008 6 October 2020 18: 15 New
    -5
    Quote: Kaw
    It was not Lenin who did this, but Lenin became disillusioned with Marx's ideas and began to build the NEP.

    NEP strongly pulled the country out of the poverty that the revolution brought
    1. tatra
      tatra 6 October 2020 20: 07 New
      +1
      For you, enemies of Lenin, capitalism has only helped to make all the republics of the USSR that you have captured backward and destitute.
  11. anjey
    anjey 6 October 2020 18: 16 New
    +6
    Although the great Wells did not say and the ideas of socialism are alive and are still and are quietly being introduced in a veiled form in the capitalist West, where the "masters of life" try not to plunge their electorate into dank poverty, learned from our "revolutionary experience", and our oligators having reached the people's resources, they think of the common people as the last thing, going into a deep financial gap laughing .
  12. ArioN
    ArioN 6 October 2020 18: 25 New
    +6
    Lenin's merit is the laid foundation of the Soviet state!
    The fight against illiteracy, the GOERLO plan (electrification of the whole country), the fight against homeless children (remember the orphanages "republic" SHKID ", Makarenko, etc.) Then the ideological cadres of the great country of the USSR were forged! It's a pity that these cadres were brought up immediately in the first years of the Second World War , after all, they volunteered, etc. It's all trying now not to advertise and vice versa to throw mud at .. But the memory of the people cannot be erased.
    1. solzh
      solzh 6 October 2020 23: 30 New
      +1
      Quote: ArioN
      They are trying not to advertise this and, on the contrary, to throw mud at it

      Not only. Now the enemies of the Soviet regime began to say that GOELRO and other Soviet achievements were the merits of Tsarist Russia. This is how history is rewritten, alas.
  13. Radikal
    Radikal 6 October 2020 18: 39 New
    +4
    Quote: Sergei Sovetkin
    Because we are talking about a meeting with Lenin, and not with Stalin. And this is more news information for the 100th anniversary of the event.

    I understand, but the article looks like an unfinished one, since the first visit cannot be considered in isolation from the next. hi
  14. imobile2008
    imobile2008 6 October 2020 20: 16 New
    -5
    Quote: tatra
    For you, enemies of Lenin, capitalism has only helped to make all the republics of the USSR that you have captured backward and destitute.

    Sober up, then write!
  15. Pavel57
    Pavel57 6 October 2020 20: 16 New
    -2
    Quote: Ezoterik
    By the way, what did he live on? Switzerland is an expensive country.

    Kamo tossed him some money. The bourgeois Old Believers were thrown off.
  16. Pavel57
    Pavel57 6 October 2020 20: 26 New
    0
    Quote: tatra
    First, what does the German proletariat have to do with it? The CPSU (b) was the party of the workers of Russia. AND

    The stake was on the world revolution. Because classical Marxism did not consider Russia for building communism because of the weakness of the proletariat. For this, the emphasis was on the international movement led by the Third International.
  17. imobile2008
    imobile2008 6 October 2020 20: 28 New
    -4
    Quote: ArioN
    Lenin's merit is the laid foundation of the Soviet state!
    The fight against illiteracy, the GOERLO plan (electrification of the whole country), the fight against homeless children (remember the orphanages "republic" SHKID ", Makarenko, etc.) Then the ideological cadres of the great country of the USSR were forged! It's a pity that these cadres were brought up immediately in the first years of the Second World War , after all, they volunteered, etc. It's all trying now not to advertise and vice versa to throw mud at .. But the memory of the people cannot be erased.

    The fight against illiteracy and GOERLO is dashing they appropriated the achievements of tsarist Russia
    1. solzh
      solzh 6 October 2020 23: 27 New
      0
      Quote: imobile2008
      famously they appropriated the achievements of tsarist Russia

      Nobody appropriated anything. GOELRO and the fight against illiteracy are all Soviet achievements.
    2. Valerikk
      Valerikk 8 October 2020 18: 15 New
      0
      The fight against illiteracy and GOERLO - they famously appropriated the achievements of tsarist Russia

      They took the plans as a basis, and Soviet Russia had its own achievements in their implementation and were so grandiose that there was no need to appropriate others.
  18. Pavel57
    Pavel57 6 October 2020 20: 29 New
    +1
    Quote: imobile2008
    Quote: Kaw
    It was not Lenin who did this, but Lenin became disillusioned with Marx's ideas and began to build the NEP.

    NEP strongly pulled the country out of the poverty that the revolution brought

    The NEP gave a respite, but could not solve the main problem, industrialization. Primarily to ensure safety from a hostile environment.
  19. iouris
    iouris 6 October 2020 20: 31 New
    +1
    Wells is not a philistine, but a British intelligence agent and "designer" of the Brave New World.
    In 1920 Wells met Maria Ignatievna Zakrevskaya-Budberg. Communication was renewed in 1933 in London, where she emigrated after parting with Maxim Gorky. M. Budberg's close relationship with Wells continued until the writer's death, he asked her to marry him, but she rejected this offer.
    Maria (Mura) Ignatievna Zakrevskaya-Benkendorf-Budberg (1892, Poltava - November 2, 1974) - an international adventurer, presumably a triple agent of the OGPU, British and German intelligence. The author of scripts for films. In the first marriage Benckendorff, later - Baroness Budberg. In the USSR, a ban was imposed on the mention in the open press about MI Zakrevskaya-Budberg and the nature of her relationship with Gorky.
  20. Pavel57
    Pavel57 6 October 2020 20: 34 New
    -1
    Quote: apro
    No, it's too tricky ... it's just bandits.

    And who in history did not fall under the definition of a bandit?
  21. 9PA
    9PA 7 October 2020 04: 19 New
    +1
    Comrades, come back
  22. imobile2008
    imobile2008 7 October 2020 08: 56 New
    -2
    Quote: solzh
    Quote: imobile2008
    famously they appropriated the achievements of tsarist Russia

    Nobody appropriated anything. GOELRO and the fight against illiteracy are all Soviet achievements.

    Quote: solzh
    Quote: imobile2008
    famously they appropriated the achievements of tsarist Russia

    Nobody appropriated anything. GOELRO and the fight against illiteracy are all Soviet achievements.

    But no. And judging by the fact that you do not know, literacy did not develop very much after the revolution.