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LDNR: course towards deindustrialization

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LDNR: course towards deindustrialization

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You can treat the local authorities in Donetsk and Lugansk with understanding as much as you like, who are now hostages of the situation, if not for their desperate attempts to hush up real and very sensitive problems, periodically imitating the happiness of “good News". Throwing dust in the eyes of our own citizens is not good, and in a situation when miners and metallurgists do not receive their hard-earned money for months, in fact, it is criminal. It is clear that this practice cannot end with anything good: without a frank conversation from heart to heart, everything will come to at least a complete loss of trust in the government among the population.

Sooner or later, we will have to admit: debts to the local proletariat are growing, enterprises are gradually turning into junk, specialists are scattering to cities and villages, and in general, the entire industry of the LDNR is about to turn into ruins, which simply will not make sense to restore. And you can talk as much as you like about "modernization" and "restructuring" - all these are empty words, not supported by a single action, except for stopping production at unprofitable mine administrations.

Sacred meaning


One involuntarily gets the impression that some forces are specifically engaged in the destruction of the region's industry. Moreover, it is simply impossible to believe that these are some lonely malefactors who are sawing the metallurgy and mining industry of the republics under cover of night and in silence. It looks like a purposeful activity, the result of which should be a complete de-industrialization of the region. Well, it cannot be that such large-scale actions are taking place outside the visibility of the regulatory authorities, and for several years?

It seems that the industrial potential of Donbass is not very impressive for Russia, which has enough of its own coal (and it is much easier to extract it), and metallurgical enterprises are direct competitors of Alchevsk, Yenakiyevo, Makeyevka, Stakhanov and Donetsk ... Not to mention that everything mined and what was produced in the LDNR still needs to be sold, not the fact that with great profit. In general, there are enough problems with this very industry, and lately there is less and less confidence that someone is going to solve them.

What is happening is more like a desire to realize everything that is possible by slaughtering all not very profitable enterprises and leaving only what will give a guaranteed income. And after that, assimilate qualified personnel at enterprises in the Russian Federation, and fill up the deficit of personnel in the people's militia with unskilled and not too diligent ones. They have nowhere else to go.

Face moral


Is it possible, if this hypothesis is correct, to accuse the notorious curators of something? Hardly. In the end, one should not forget that the entire social sphere (and not only) in the LPNR has long fallen on the shoulders of Russia, and if not for this help, everything in the republics would have long been covered with a copper basin. It should also be remembered in what state all these enterprises went to the LDNR after 25 years of Ukrainian barbarism. So, if all this happiness is really unprofitable and it makes sense to extend the life of mines and factories, the equipment of which remembers either Khrushchev, or even Stalin, no, then it is useless to lament.

Another question, of a moral nature, is that if the situation is indeed the case, it is quite logical, perhaps it would make sense to speak frankly about it. So that people do not waste their time in vain, do not humiliate themselves and torment their families, trying to earn money where only debts and poverty await them. If this is a deliberate and meaningful decision, it would be necessary to notify everyone who depends on it. Or, if this is all the same theft on a cosmic scale, perhaps it would be worth bringing order?

Although, in principle, another year or two of this attitude towards the industry of the LDNR and its workers, and the issue will be resolved by itself: there will be nothing to steal or restore.
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  1. Insurgent
    Insurgent 7 October 2020 12: 08
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    LDNR: course towards deindustrialization

    Once again Makhov, with his "blatant" headlines, who would doubt it ...

    For some reason, he does not write about how we should develop in the conditions of war and the occupation of 2/3 of the territories of the DPR and LPR. Does not give prescriptions, but only "exposes".

    There is no shortage of such "truth-tellers", but to do business without "blah blah blah"- such one or two and miscalculated.
    1. Nasrat
      Nasrat 7 October 2020 12: 54
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      Quote: Insurgent
      LDNR: course towards deindustrialization

      Once again Makhov, with his "blatant" headlines, who would doubt it ...

      For some reason, he does not write about how we should develop in the conditions of war and the occupation of 2/3 of the territories of the DPR and LPR. Does not give prescriptions, but only "exposes".

      There is no shortage of such "truth-tellers", but to do business without "blah blah blah"- such one or two and miscalculated.

      Oh-oh-oh .... Aren't you talking about yourself (think about it) when you criticize the Russian leadership?
      1. Insurgent
        Insurgent 7 October 2020 13: 03
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        Quote: Nasr
        Oh-oh-oh .... Aren't you talking about yourself (think about it) when you criticize the Russian leadership?

        To your inarticulate "Oh-oh-oh ... "I can only answer"What belay ?"

        Where did you manage to find in my comment criticism of the Russian leadership, especially in relation to this article?
    2. Rudkovsky
      Rudkovsky 8 October 2020 00: 35
      -6
      Do the "occupied territories" live better or worse than the "non-occupied territories"?
      1. Insurgent
        Insurgent 8 October 2020 07: 32
        +2
        Quote: Rudkovsky
        Do the "occupied territories" live better or worse than the "non-occupied territories"?

        To answer the question, you need to have an idea of ​​\ uXNUMXb \ uXNUMXbthe who do you consider the occupier.

        For me, this is the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the Nazi battalions that invaded the Donbass ...
        1. Azamat Ramazanov
          Azamat Ramazanov 16 October 2020 16: 07
          -2
          And for me, the occupied lands are where the pro-Russian forces are located
    3. Civil
      Civil 8 October 2020 07: 34
      -3
      Donbass hung with a cast-iron medal for Russia,
  2. The popuas
    The popuas 7 October 2020 12: 17
    -2
    The dashing 90 reminded me ... They survived as best they could, they cut everything they could, the flower garden, black metal! The skeletons of the workshops are still around! The only thing was not shooting or bombing.
    1. 113262a
      113262a 7 October 2020 12: 32
      0
      There is no sense to cut! Metal has nowhere to go - metallurgy is worth it! Accepted for scrap at 1 (one!) Ruble per kilogram! We have it. In the DNR, it's a little more fun, at least something works there. But we don’t need to go there;
      1. The popuas
        The popuas 7 October 2020 12: 43
        -1
        Also before the price was small, they took the quantity! And now the price is 16r kg ... but there is no metal ... they are still dragging from Bashkiria, and we have only diggers and farmers!
      2. Insurgent
        Insurgent 7 October 2020 12: 44
        +3
        Quote: 113262
        In the DNR, it's a little more fun, at least something works there.


        And it should be noted that this situation had developed long before the start of the war.

        "effective managers" tried to ruin the industry of the region as much as possible.
        Yes, here, in the DPR, due to the presence (up to a certain point of course) of the oligarch Akhmetov, who crushed everything and everyone for himself - this process was somewhat softer, but here in the Luhansk region - yes what .

        The "owner" was not found, and those who called themselves as such could not steal anything except ...
      3. CSKA
        CSKA 7 October 2020 16: 21
        -1
        Quote: 113262
        Metal has nowhere to go - metallurgy costs

        You want to say that Alchevsk does not work with a tag?
        1. 113262a
          113262a 8 October 2020 03: 43
          -1
          It works in such a way that it would be better if it didn't work! (((
          1. CSKA
            CSKA 8 October 2020 10: 40
            -1
            Quote: 113262
            It works the way it wouldn't work!

            What do you have in mind?
  3. Avior
    Avior 7 October 2020 12: 19
    +3
    Open secret.
    Industry requires constant investment, no one will invest in the gray zone, the result is that industry dies.
    And it doesn't really depend on the LPRNR authorities, it is an objectively existing problem.
    For a while, profitability can still be maintained at the expense of low wages, but it is a matter of time before the industry finally dies.
    1. Normal ok
      Normal ok 7 October 2020 16: 50
      +1
      Among other things, the author had one clever thought. Namely: the industry is being killed on purpose. Just look at the statistics of 00 years on the export of rolled metal in the world. Donbass was then a direct competitor to Russian metallurgy. And now, as if "by itself" ((, there is no competitor. Capitalism, and nothing personal. The rest is secondary for the capitalists.
      1. Avior
        Avior 7 October 2020 22: 11
        -1
        The owner of the factories, Akhmetov, just did it - expanded production at his other factories - in Mariupol and Zaporozhye.
        That is, he still sells as much metal as he can actually sell.
  4. g1v2
    g1v2 7 October 2020 12: 22
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    The industry of 4 regions (Luhansk, Donetsk, Dnepropetrovsk and Zaporozhye) was a single complex. Now this complex is torn apart by the front line. The owners and managers of this complex are sitting on the other side. There is no legal opportunity to sell the products of the republics abroad. Within the republics, a significant part of this production is not in demand. The richer countries are gradually giving up coal as an energy resource. This means that there remains the implementation of gray schemes through intermediaries at a low price. This was what they set Kurchenko to do with his military-technical cooperation, who pushed coal, mixing it with Russian and making it look Russian, although the buyers knew where he came from. However, Kurchenko was declared the main ghoul and bloodsucker and in fact survived. The smuggling of coal and industrial products is not easy. COMMUNICATIONS AND SKILLS YOU MUST HAVE. The result is logical - the closure of a significant part of the mines and pr-v. request
    Should Russia invest in saving this industry? What for. As long as there is no legal status, its products will also have to be sold in gray through intermediaries. Again, these are competitors to our pr-you. Do we want our enterprises to be evil or what? PM will be in demand only by the industry that works for the market of the republics and consumer goods. Well, some exceptions are possible, such as the plant in Snezhnoye, but it is easier to transfer it to the territory of the Russian Federation with a team. Again, there are so many people (3,7 million) that the republics will not be able to cope with in the social sphere. Option one - to stimulate the resettlement of part of the population to the territory of the Russian Federation. I have three subordinates from Donbass working in St. Petersburg. Everyone already has citizenship, housing on a mortgage, they work, they have children. request
    1. Victorio
      Victorio 7 October 2020 12: 31
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      Quote: g1v2
      There is no legal opportunity to sell the products of the republics abroad.

      ===
      and in russia there is no one to buy this coal?
      1. Insurgent
        Insurgent 7 October 2020 12: 47
        +3
        Quote: Victorio
        and in russia there is no one to buy this coal?

        Russian companies buy it. By railway and motor transport, coal crosses the "ribbon", becomes according to documents Russian, and then - at the discretion of the companies purchasing it, up to shipment abroad. Including the Outskirts ...
        1. Victorio
          Victorio 7 October 2020 12: 57
          -2
          Quote: Insurgent
          Russian companies buy it. Coal crosses the "ribbon" by railroad and road transport, becomes Russian according to documents, and then - at the discretion of the companies purchasing it, up to shipment abroad.

          ===
          ===
          I am for it. only these companies can be subject to Western sanctions
          1. Insurgent
            Insurgent 7 October 2020 13: 12
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            Quote: Victorio
            I am for it. only these companies can be subject to Western sanctions


            Won't hit No.

            Due to the "uniqueness of the moment", and the transaction posting schemes occur in a special way.
            Frankly speaking, they do not always comply with the norms of the laws of the Russian Federation.
            And while in Russia they turn a blind eye to this, because they understand that it is problematic to somehow make life easier in the DPR and LPR in other ways, including, as you noticed, because of the threat of sanctions.
      2. g1v2
        g1v2 7 October 2020 13: 02
        +4
        Russia has a lot of its own coal. Plus there is a lot of competition in the world. There were projects for new production, but then decorbanization started around the world and they were slowed down. China is cutting back on coal production and consumption. Fortunately, it closes its mines faster than reduces consumption, and our companies use this. Plus, there are still coal-fired power plants in Siberia. But they will eventually be converted to gas. request
        Therefore, the state in coal mining does not own anything - it is completely private. The state does not deal with coal. The coal will have to be sold only through private traders. And they will do this only if there is a benefit. and in the case of gray schemes, the benefits should be large. Of course, by order, some of the Donbass coal is pushed inside the country, but in general for us it is mainly an export product. request
        1. Insurgent
          Insurgent 7 October 2020 13: 14
          +1
          Quote: g1v2
          in general, for us it is mainly an export product.

          No problem ! To the border, the coal is still ours, and after it, it's already yours ... We are not in a claim, thanks even so help out.
          Further, with already your the goods you are free to do as you need.
          1. maktub
            maktub 7 October 2020 14: 26
            -2
            Do we work as a sales manager?
            So it seems that civil servants are prohibited from engaging in commercial activities wink
        2. Avior
          Avior 7 October 2020 22: 17
          -2
          The price of coal is, after all, the market price.
          The emergence of additional intermediaries increases the cost of coal.
          The risk margin must also be high, otherwise why is it necessary, and this also raises the cost of coal.
          But to raise the cost, to reduce profit, or competitiveness.
          It is partially compensated by low salaries for miners, unprofitable and unprofitable mines were abandoned.
          It is a matter of time before, without investment, they will become unprofitable even with low salaries of miners
      3. Normal ok
        Normal ok 7 October 2020 16: 52
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        Quote: Victorio
        Quote: g1v2
        There is no legal opportunity to sell the products of the republics abroad.

        ===
        and in russia there is no one to buy this coal?

        Not only Russia buys. Both Germany and Turkey (3 million tons) and Ukraine are buying. But the income goes to "who needs it".
    2. Sergey39
      Sergey39 7 October 2020 12: 33
      -4
      Quote: g1v2
      Should Russia invest in saving this industry?

      Let them fall apart. When everything is legalized, it will be easier to rebuild everything.
  5. bar
    bar 7 October 2020 12: 30
    -1
    It looks like a purposeful activity, the result of which should be a complete de-industrialization of the region. Well, it cannot be that such large-scale actions are taking place outside the visibility of the regulatory authorities, and for several years?

    Why are you surprised? Have you ever met Russia in the 90s?
  6. Undecim
    Undecim 7 October 2020 12: 58
    +6
    the entire industry of the LDNR is about to turn into ruins, which simply will not make sense to restore.
    For the fulfillment of the task for which the LPNR was created in its present form, industry is of no importance and the creators of the LPR are not interested. In the future, the territory of the LDNR is Detroit from the movie The Disappearance on 7th Street or something similar.
    1. maktub
      maktub 7 October 2020 14: 21
      -4
      Absolutely correct judgment
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  9. glum
    glum 7 October 2020 13: 05
    +4
    I wanted to write an opus about industry in the comments, but I thought - is it necessary ??? Now they will be annoyed, branded, etc. More interested in the question, but people are happy with this ?? Is it better to live? If not satisfied, why not protest ?? I think they’re afraid of sho, it’s with the nasty ukraine you could say that you wanted, but it’s better to keep quiet in a rag, otherwise they’ll be put in a jail and it’s not known whether you’ll come back ...
    1. Insurgent
      Insurgent 7 October 2020 13: 28
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      Quote: Glum
      Is it better to live? If not satisfied, why not protest ?? I think they’re afraid of sho, it’s with the nasty ukraine you could say that you wanted, but it’s better to keep quiet in a rag, otherwise they’ll be put in a jail and it’s not known whether you’ll come back ...

      "A, Bandera"(quote from the movie"Brother-2") ...

      It is with Maydauno-Bandera in the outskirts, you can say whatever you want?

      Can I go to the "Independence Square" (the former square "Zhovtnevoi Revolution") and say that the nonhumans committed a bloody coup d'etat, and unleashed a war against Donbass?

      And if you have any doubts "if you come back or not come back from the Donetsk prison", then there are no questions at all about the methods of your Nazis ...
      1. glum
        glum 7 October 2020 13: 41
        +6
        Well, I didn't expect anything else from you. )). By the way, you can go out and state your position, I'm not sure that in Donetsk you can say something against Pushilin and Co.
        1. Insurgent
          Insurgent 7 October 2020 13: 48
          +2
          Quote: Glum
          Well, I didn't expect anything else from you. )). By the way, you can go out and state your position, I'm not sure that in Donetsk you can say something against Pushilin and Co.


          You just cannot imagine that Pushilin, Basurin sometimes had to listen to both ordinary people "on the street" and people in uniform in positions where they sometimes go ...

          And how many "Father" Zakharchenko, the Kingdom of Heaven to him, listened to?

          And only to especially stubborn ones, which any power hates, sometimes they use some kind of pressure. AS ANYWHERE.

          And about the fact that I can openly and fearlessly declare in Kiev about the falsity of the Nazi authorities about what is happening in general in the Outskirts and in particular in the Donbass - TELL THESE FAIRY TALES to Buzin ...
          1. German Titov
            German Titov 7 October 2020 20: 38
            +1
            "And only to especially stubborn ones, whom any government can not stand, sometimes they apply some kind of pressure. AS ANYWHERE."

            They are waiting to "stir up the muddy"
            1. Insurgent
              Insurgent 8 October 2020 12: 10
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              Quote: German Titov
              They are waiting to "stir up the muddy"

              "Egor Makhov" to help them ...
  10. glum
    glum 7 October 2020 13: 05
    -1
    I wanted to write an opus about industry in the comments, but I thought - is it necessary ??? Now they will be annoyed, branded, etc. More interested in the question, but people are happy with this ?? Is it better to live? If not satisfied, why not protest ?? I think they’re afraid of sho, it’s with the nasty ukraine you could say that you wanted, but it’s better to keep quiet in a rag, otherwise they’ll be put in a jail and it’s not known whether you’ll come back ...
  11. glum
    glum 7 October 2020 13: 05
    -2
    I wanted to write an opus about industry in the comments, but I thought - is it necessary ??? Now they will be annoyed, branded, etc. More interested in the question, but people are happy with this ?? Is it better to live? If not satisfied, why not protest ?? I think they’re afraid of sho, it’s with the nasty ukraine you could say that you wanted, but it’s better to keep quiet in a rag, otherwise they’ll be put in a jail and it’s not known whether you’ll come back ...
  12. glum
    glum 7 October 2020 13: 36
    -4
    I wanted to write an opus about industry in the comments, but I thought - is it necessary ??? Now they will be annoyed, branded, etc. More interested in the question, but people are happy with this ?? Is it better to live? If not satisfied, why not protest ?? I think they’re afraid of sho, it’s with the nasty ukraine you could say that you wanted, but it’s better to keep quiet in a rag, otherwise they’ll be put in a jail and it’s not known whether you’ll come back ...
  13. CommanderDIVA
    CommanderDIVA 7 October 2020 13: 58
    +6
    In the Rostov region, at the beginning of the XNUMXs, mines began to close, mining is unprofitable in this way compared to coal from Kemerovo, well, the general switch to gas of importers in the European Union played a role, although Ukrainian mines at that time worked almost without interruption, because the main consumer was the industry of Donbass
    1. Avior
      Avior 7 October 2020 22: 20
      0
      In Ukraine, low-profit mines are supported by subsidies, it is believed that this is better than closing, and people are out of work.
      Although generally unprofitable, of course.
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  16. Interlocutor
    Interlocutor 7 October 2020 14: 12
    +1
    About Egorka Makhov uploaded a new article about everything that disappeared in Novorossiya ...
    Well done...
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  19. parusnik
    parusnik 7 October 2020 17: 07
    -1
    Russia did not recognize the LDNR. Why should it invest in something that does not exist. No offense. Russia recognized Abkhazia, South Ossetia, and what has it begun to invest in the economy of these states? No ... it is given at the mercy of the local and Russian business. But especially Russian business is in no hurry to invest money. Again, the republics are not recognized. Although the Turks do not give a damn, they did not recognize Abkhazia, but they push money there.
  20. Alevil
    Alevil 7 October 2020 18: 28
    -1
    Whether it's in the Ukrainian paradise ... Already in the EU, they are flourishing, the industry is developing laughing
  21. Senka naughty
    Senka naughty 7 October 2020 18: 35
    +5
    Return "cons" for articles.
  22. German Titov
    German Titov 7 October 2020 20: 29
    +4
    "I love" podmahov ". Lumps of journalism" VO ". Defines" stench on color, sound on smell, etc. "
  23. Glenni
    Glenni 8 October 2020 07: 33
    0
    Just don’t about the ruins! I myself saw how the team of the Industrial Union of Donbass Akhmetov raised factories from ruins and launched production! The forest grew in the factory areas. Another lie! Rude sir!
  24. Lontus
    Lontus 8 October 2020 09: 02
    +2
    A pitiful attempt at provocation in the title: "LDNR: a course towards de-industrialization."
    It was more correct to title:
    "Russophobic masters of the Kremlin: a course towards deindustrialization of the LDNR."
    And this is just a special case of their general policy of de-industrialization of all Russian regions.
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  26. Maks1995
    Maks1995 8 October 2020 09: 30
    +1
    It's strange. A week ago, I was assured in the comments that everything is relatively good there.

    And here there are no figures, no facts, there are not even transfers of enterprises, only water ...

    Anyone aware of the reality there? Respond!
  27. Serge Koval
    Serge Koval 30 October 2020 23: 31
    0
    Of course, Russia does not need our coal, but the skakuasiya buys it. Coal trains go to Russia, from Russia to Belarus, and from Belarus to horse racing is several times more expensive. It's like a business! There are no problems with metal either, everything is transported to Russia, and then on demand. The industry (I don't know about LPR) in the DPR is growing both in volume and quality! author -> author -> author stop eating cookies from the State Department, put the liver. Thank you Putin for your help !!!
  28. Azamat Ramazanov
    Azamat Ramazanov 5 November 2020 07: 08
    0
    I predicted about such a situation in 2014, when many residents of Donbass were dizzy with joy that they received independence
  29. Wotanu
    Wotanu 22 November 2020 21: 49
    0
    Да правду человек пишет, чистую правду,без трепа,приукрашивания. Спасибо за честную статью.
  30. Ivan Pozdnyakov
    Ivan Pozdnyakov 25 November 2020 01: 21
    0
    Слил Пути Донбасс
    и РФ