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A dumb dead end for Russia's lower caste

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So, he whispered the holiday. And he was, if not with tears in his eyes, then with a taste of bitterness for sure. And on purpose, so as not to spoil it for people, I will speak out later.


What holiday are we talking about? Yes, all about the same: about the day of the Teacher. That's right, not Teacher's Day, but Teacher's Day.

Today is a professional holiday and not a holiday at all. Concerts are not arranged, there is no need, and the covid does not sleep.

Gifts? Don't ... It is forbidden for teachers to give gifts. In law.

Flowers ... Well, yes, especially now. Now pop and other "stars" are just tearfully begging not to throw money away for flowers, motivating this with the slogan: "Than the teacher he throws out the bouquet that he will throw out in three days, it is better to transfer this money to charity!"

They are all caring ... Stars, foundations (especially foundations, of course, they can spend 25% of the money raised on themselves, but they spend even more) - everyone is ready to teach us how to spend our money correctly.

A dumb dead end for Russia's lower caste

Funds ... Well, it's not for the state to strain itself by treating children, is it? Our state is busy with more useful and important things like treating other people's children, feeding other people's children by forgiving multibillion-dollar debts to their parents.

And for Russian children ... but where does the money come from? For this there are wallets of all Russians. The Russians are strong, they will collect, stretch, save. While statesmen will pull out the countries of Africa, Cuba, Iraq, Kyrgyzstan, Mongolia, Syria, North Korea ... For 18 years, they have forgiven $ 140 billion.

Alien, I will note. Not yours. From our own it is necessary to tear three skins.

And now, probably, the last bottom has been broken, under which nothing will be. There will be no nuclear aircraft carriers and aircraft tanks and helicopters, submarines and mainline liners.

None of this will happen. In the best case, cartoons, which we have gotten so good at fighting with lately.

Why not? But because the teacher's salary at the start is the same 12 (twelve thousand) rubles.

And here are Putin's May decrees, which are not decrees to anyone, it turns out. And here are the development programs for you, and here's the chatter for us on TV.

May 7, 2012. More than eight years ago, these decrees were signed, which today can easily be compared with the Minsk Agreements on Donbass in terms of efficiency.

According to the documents that are in the public domain, since 2012, teachers' salaries should be equal to the average for the region and not fall below this level. By 2018, the salaries of cultural workers and college teachers should reach the same level, and that of doctors, university teachers and research workers should be twice the average for the region. In 2012, the gap between the average wages of these categories of state employees and private sector employees was 30-40%.

Year 2020 - 12 rubles.

It is clear that in 2012 some people made promises, and now completely different people are in power, but these are, as it were, presidential decrees. Who, as it were, in a normal country could follow the implementation of his decrees.

But that's normal. And we can not do it in any way, because there are more important things to do. Nobody needs to build gas pipelines, for example. But you can shout loudly about the construction of another empty pipe on TV, but raising the salaries of teachers is not worth it, it is quite obvious.

But it's not so bad.

As you probably remember, when the former prime minister and Putin's right-hand man, Mr. Medvedev, sneered at the teachers at the Territory of Meanings forum in 2016, he said simply the fundamental phrase:

I am often asked about teachers and instructors. This is a vocation, and if you want to earn money, there are tons of great places where you can do it faster and better. The same business. But you didn't go into business, as I understand it, well.

Great, we see that today a teacher at school is a rogue legalized by the state. A person who, in principle, has no right to a good life by definition. Which is not worthy of respect, veneration, even flowers for September 1 and October 5.

What for? He, the teacher, he chose this cross, so let him drag it!

Is this not the bottom?

I'm not advocating the income of flower sellers, no. I am for the approach itself. I am not opposed to the teachers not being overwhelmed with flowers for these two holidays, I am opposed to this being done SO.


I am opposed to teachers continuing to turn them into an annoying hindrance on the path of life, worthy of nothing but sling mud.

A gift to a teacher is extortion and bribe. Perfectly. All the same they give, but so ... from the class and at a minimum, secretly, through the parent committee. Otherwise, one of the dissatisfied parents will be able to file a statement to the prosecutor's office on the topic that this is a bribe / bribery for good grades.

And again, the conversation is not about gifts, but about what they turned into a person who, in theory, is responsible for building our future. That is, for teaching children.

How beautiful is the appearance of a modern teacher, or rather, a teacher, because men can no longer be driven into this backwater, called education.

A beggar, eternally dissatisfied extortionist who needs an eye and an eye, since all he is capable of is only to tear parents away from important matters, motivating this by the fact that their beloved child must still learn. Sometimes.

Not the most wonderful image, is it? But not only that we do not have another, it is not yet foreseen.

Respect the teacher? For what? For being boring? For constant collection of money for all sorts of "school needs" such as food and security?

By the way, about the security. Teachers gather for it. The directors spend this money. Here, yes, in myself the parent says, who donated this money, realizing that yes, the school must be protected. But more and more information appears on the fact that schools are already guarded. At the expense of the city or region budget. And these fees are just a legalized feeder for directors and their bosses.

I don’t know who has it installed in the country, but in my hometown I’m starting to figure it out slowly. It turns out interestingly: kindergartens are guarded, universities are guarded, and for some reason it never occurs to anyone there to collect money from students. Because now everything is free of charge in our country, has died, and security seems to be included in the payment for the semester. But from school you can still feed yourself, that's why there were extortions, there are and will be.

Everyone quickly gets used to good things.

What is left for the teacher? Nothing. Prospects are zero.

A student can really send a teacher, he can refuse to complete a task - he will get nothing for it. You can't put two marks, you can't leave for the second year, now everyone, without exception, will receive a certificate. And if we add inclusive education, when mentally disabled students sit in the classroom with normal children and do what they want, not because they want to disrupt the lesson, but simply because they are disabled ...

In preparing a series of materials on the state of our education, I spoke with several teachers. Everyone is shocked by what the inclusiveness is. Sits in the classroom degenerate and has fun as much as possible He can sit quietly, drawing something of his own, or he can easily walk around the classroom, waving his proboscis ...

Tutor? Do not make me laugh. It is better to look at how much such a specialist in supporting the mentally retarded costs in rubles, and consider the role and responsibilities of such a person.


This is in Moscow. In the regions, it is simply not possible to find those willing to work for a correspondingly lower salary.

As a result, gifts from the inclusive system do not really learn on their own, and even prevent others from doing it.

Most of the teachers put up with this situation, because there is simply no incentive to go somewhere to fight for a brighter future. Well, 580 teachers wrote letters to Putin reminding them that they had been promised salaries back in 2012 that were not at the level of unemployment benefits ... So what? Let's see, of course. I am 146% sure that nothing will happen.

I persuaded my volunteers to conduct a survey in their classes (three primary in three different schools) about their favorite heroes. Heroes, you know, are supplied by the Internet. And I don’t know why, but our cartoon heroes are present. Not in the top, but there is. And so - a complete set from Spider-Man to the Avengers.

It's good at least that the heroes are all so ... positive. Fighters against Evil. That is, the Russian spirit is still present. But only for now.

But it's worth talking about children separately, now it's about teachers.

By the way, we had a time in our country when the teacher received the same amount as the doctor and the commander of the Red Army. Yes, all in the same Stalinist era. Damned by dissidents and democrats. But then Comrade Stalin understood who was responsible for a bright tomorrow.

But then the teacher was not needed by anyone. Now there really is nowhere to fall. Because there are no rights, only responsibilities. Because there are no prospects. There are 12 per month, and in a foggy distance, this figure can be increased to 000.

That is, you can grow right up to a worker in the "Magnet" warehouse. And by retirement, catch up with the cashier at Pyaterochka.


Decent, huh?

Will we have engineers? Will we have constructors? Will we have talented physicists? Chemists? Doctors?

No. We will not have any of this ahead. Yes, there will be very talented managers of the country, brought up in the same Britain. Among the "golden" youth of those who today bury education as such.

Like Mr. Gref, whose statements we will quote later.

Like Mr. Medvedev, who taught teachers all over the country where they should go.

Like Mr. Putin, who does not care that his decrees are not implemented, and some people in the state generally dare to say this.

Everyone is happy with everything. And German Gref's blue dream that the average Russian will have to be able to put a squiggle under the loan agreement and nothing more is not such a fantasy.

So the dead end is still poorly said. The firing wall. But it is worth understanding all the same that the destroyed education system is a destroyed country. This is a reservation like Ukraine, where the system of acquiring knowledge was also thoroughly redesigned. And in the end? We know the bottom line.

It is difficult to say whether it is possible to save what is falling apart before our eyes.

The teacher, who was once the blacksmith of the future, has been relegated to the rank of "educational service provider." For a beggarly salary. Being deprived of everything: respect, reverence, understanding of the significance of his work. They even deprived of flowers. Not at the legislative level yet, but I think this is what we have for now.

One will involuntarily remember first the "Ost" Master Plan of Herr Himmler and the "Dulles Plan". But we'll talk about them in the next part.

These are the reflections after Teacher's day. Sad, but with a perspective for the future.
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  1. Pessimist22
    Pessimist22 6 October 2020 05: 32
    38
    Teachers are the same proletariat as workers and peasants, an exploited class, it is simply not the capitalists who pay them directly, but the ruling class from taxes collected from the same exploited.
    1. figwam
      figwam 6 October 2020 05: 47
      +5
      And the president is waiting for a breakthrough ...
      1. Same lech
        Same lech 6 October 2020 06: 23
        28
        And the president is waiting for a breakthrough ...

        smile The President finally gave birth to a decree banning the sale of unprocessed wood in 2024 ... belay For 25 years she was driven abroad for a pittance destroying our forest, and from there furniture made from our own wood at exorbitant prices was already going to us ... what could have happened so that he finally made the right decision ... I don't understand, and so on many things in our economy and politics.
        Therefore, such uncertainty in our country will persist for a long time. request .
        1. Varyag71
          Varyag71 6 October 2020 07: 42
          +3
          Yes, apparently they realized that soon there would be no forest at all.
          1. Same lech
            Same lech 6 October 2020 07: 44
            15
            Yes, apparently they realized that soon there would be no forest at all.

            You want to say that the president got it after a quarter of a century ... belay
            1. Varyag71
              Varyag71 6 October 2020 08: 10
              18
              If he is slow, then it is quite possible.
              1. Elturisto
                Elturisto 6 October 2020 14: 05
                18
                Putin once proposed introducing protective duties on wood exports at 50 euros per m3. Finnish drunks were immediately worried. But the proposal did not translate into concrete action, as well as the proposal to call dairy surrogates milk drinks and not milk. But such actions are contrary to the interests of the world capitalist kagala.
                A response will follow, and what will be the end result? And in the end you will have to re-create the industry, and who wants to stand at the open-hearth furnaces? Maybe the Moscow hipster? Or Abramovich's kids.
                In other words, the consumption of the population in the Russian Federation will immediately fall, and this is political death for any politician.
                The conclusion is not about specific policies, but about the system of capitalism, which secured the functions of a gas station country for the Russian Federation.
                1. Florian geyer
                  Florian geyer 6 October 2020 14: 36
                  +9
                  Well, the Finnish drunks really twitched. But it was not Putin who proposed it, but Medvedev. And this was not connected with caring for the forests of the Motherland. And in favor of the combined International Paper and Ilim Pulp, who, on the sly, zohaval the most delicious and largest forest leases across the country.
                  Now we can see they still wanted. There is no other logic.
                  It does not look like an invitation to build a pulp and paper mill here - neither SE, nor any of the large Chinese will do this, and the rest is all a piece of cake, which can be ignored.
                  Although there is an option - it is quite possible that Gazprom again wants to try to enter the forestry business, so a clearing is being prepared for it
                  1. Elturisto
                    Elturisto 6 October 2020 17: 59
                    +1
                    An interesting look. Maybe so, capital is ready to use any means to generate profit.
                    1. awesom3-lutsevich
                      awesom3-lutsevich 7 October 2020 10: 29
                      +1
                      As the army said at one time they fuck us up and we get stronger (hold on)
                2. CSKA
                  CSKA 6 October 2020 15: 28
                  -25 qualifying.
                  Quote: ElTuristo
                  as a result, the industry will have to be re-created

                  ))))) Why do you think so?
                  Quote: ElTuristo
                  assigned the functions of a gas station country to the Russian Federation.

                  That's just funny. Which country is a gas station capable of creating software, supercomputers, hypersonic missiles, building nuclear power plants? Hear Marx, wake up. Figures at least compare really with the countries of gas stations. GDP structure, budget structure.
                  1. Greenwood
                    Greenwood 6 October 2020 15: 58
                    17
                    Quote: CSKA
                    What country is a gas station capable of creating software, supercomputers, hypersonic missiles, building nuclear power plants?
                    Yeah, yeah, and you go into a building materials or equipment store like that, and there on goods is solid "Made in China, Vietnam, Turkey, Poland ..." Yes, anywhere in general, just not in Russia.
                    1. CSKA
                      CSKA 6 October 2020 16: 09
                      -13 qualifying.
                      Quote: Greenwood
                      Yeah, yeah, and you go into a building materials or equipment store like that, and there on goods is solid "Made in China, Vietnam, Turkey, Poland ..." Yes, anywhere in general, just not in Russia.

                      ))))) First of all, we do not become a gas station from this country.
                      Secondly, do not tell a fairy tale about building materials.
                      And thirdly. All of you, go to a plumbing and heating store and see how much is made in Russia.
                      And fourthly. Tell us, what is there for the production of chemical products in Poland, Vietnam and Turkey?
                      1. Greenwood
                        Greenwood 6 October 2020 16: 12
                        14
                        Quote: CSKA
                        Secondly, do not tell a fairy tale about building materials.
                        Pfft, I was yesterday. The specialist went through tools, screws, etc. for the presence of Russian. Have not found. For they are not.
                        Quote: CSKA
                        All of you, go to a plumbing and heating store and see how much is made in Russia.
                        There is solid China, Turkey or Europe. Was the other day, yeah. Why are you lying, kremlebotic?
                        Quote: CSKA
                        Tell us, what is there for the production of chemical products in Poland, Vietnam and Turkey?
                        I have no idea. Why should I know this?
                      2. CSKA
                        CSKA 6 October 2020 16: 48
                        -16 qualifying.
                        Quote: Greenwood
                        Pfft, I was yesterday. The specialist went through tools, screws, etc. for the presence of Russian. Have not found. For they are not.

                        So it would be better to search:
                        https://productcenter.ru/producers/catalog-samoriezy-1314
                        Quote: Greenwood
                        There is solid China, Turkey or Europe. Was the other day, yeah. Why are you lying, kremlebotic?

                        I work in this area, I don't know whose bot you are. Do you know about Siberia boilers, Lemax? Radiators Lemax, Rifar? Do you give examples of fittings, pipes, sewers or will you continue to engage in lies?
                        Quote: Greenwood
                        I have no idea. Why should I know this?

                        And then, that chemical production is a complex high-tech process in which these countries are not strong. It's not for you to release self-tapping screws. and the country the gas station does not create polypropylene and polyethylene.
                      3. KERMET
                        KERMET 6 October 2020 19: 36
                        13
                        About a complex technological process, I agree, but whose is it? Solid Western technologies with their own devices and equipment, there is practically no (competitive) of our own
                      4. Florian geyer
                        Florian geyer 6 October 2020 20: 00
                        12
                        How not? And Skolkovo?

                      5. CSKA
                        CSKA 8 October 2020 14: 25
                        -2
                        Quote: Florian Geyer
                        How not? And Skolkovo?

                        You probably don't know what the task of Skolkovo is.
                    2. CSKA
                      CSKA 8 October 2020 14: 24
                      0
                      Quote: KERMET
                      About a complex technological process, I agree, but whose is it? Solid Western technologies with their own devices and equipment

                      Where did you get this? Remind the USSR built factories exclusively according to its technologies?))))
                    3. KERMET
                      KERMET 8 October 2020 20: 54
                      +3
                      I work in the chemical industry myself.
                      What does the USSR have to do with it? Are we Russia or what are we discussing? If about the USSR - they bought imported technology, then studied and built their own, I have two similar "twin" workshops at my enterprise
                    4. CSKA
                      CSKA 9 October 2020 10: 06
                      -2
                      Quote: KERMET
                      I work in the chemical industry myself.

                      If it's not a secret, what kind of plant?
                      Quote: KERMET
                      What does the USSR have to do with it? Are we Russia or what are we discussing? If about the USSR, they bought imported technology, then studied and built their own

                      Not straight in everything. Even pipes for gas pipelines could not do it themselves.
                      Quote: KERMET
                      I have two similar "twin" workshops at my enterprise

                      And do you have exclusively foreign equipment there?
                    5. KERMET
                      KERMET 9 October 2020 16: 36
                      +2
                      Nevinnomysskiy Azot, under the workshops "twins" meant workshop 1B (according to the technology of TES (Japan)) and 1B (according to the GIAP scheme). The equipment is different depending on the workshop. Naturally, they are built according to a foreign project - they mostly have imported equipment
                      I won't say for sure about pipelines in the USSR - but I think it was a matter of time, not everything was built right away
                    6. CSKA
                      CSKA 9 October 2020 17: 52
                      -2
                      Quote: KERMET
                      Nevinnomysskiy Azot, under the workshops "twins" meant workshop 1B (according to the technology of TES (Japan)) and 1B (according to the GIAP scheme). The equipment is different depending on the workshop. Naturally, they are built according to a foreign project - they mostly have imported equipment

                      Well, you see, it means that we still manufacture equipment of domestic production for the chemical industry.
                      Quote: KERMET
                      I won't say for sure about pipelines in the USSR - but I think it was a matter of time, not everything was built right away

                      In 1969, the FRG offered to exchange pipes and equipment for gas supplies (the gas-pipes deal was concluded in 1970). In 1973, deliveries began. And then how many years have passed, and pipes have not yet learned how to make.
                    7. KERMET
                      KERMET 9 October 2020 19: 09
                      0
                      Quote: CSKA
                      And then how many years have passed, and pipes have not yet learned how to make.

                      https://www.cheltv.ru/Truba-tebe-Adenauer/amp/
                      gave the task done
                      though not everything is so smooth, here is a little about it:
                      https://iv-g.livejournal.com/583375.html
                    8. KERMET
                      KERMET 9 October 2020 19: 15
                      0
                      Quote: CSKA
                      Well, you see, it means that we still manufacture equipment of domestic production for the chemical industry.

                      Of course we do, but at first we were talking about the fact that, for example, in the so-called gas station countries, the production of the same polyethylene may well be established - they took Western bourgeois and built a plant somewhere in Ecuador, another thing is the country's ability to build and establish production on its own.
                    9. CSKA
                      CSKA 10 October 2020 13: 00
                      -1
                      Quote: KERMET
                      Of course we do, but at first we were talking about the fact that, for example, in the so-called gas station countries, the production of the same polyethylene may well be established - they took Western bourgeois and built a plant somewhere in Ecuador, another thing is the country's ability to build and establish production on its own.

                      So they build here. And on their own. And I will give an example of only large enterprises, and every month a bunch of small ones open.
                      Amur Gas Chemical Complex, Zapsibneftekhim, Olefin Complex Nizhnekamskneftekhim, Usolskiy Potash Plant (which is being built by your Eurochem), Baltic Gas Chemical Complex, Omsk Polypropylene Plant, Gazprom neftekhim Salavat, Lukoil-Permnefteorgsintez, Lukoil-Nizhegorodnefteorgsintez, Gorkoil-Nizhegorodnefteorgsintez, Gorkoil-Nizhegorodnefteorgsintez, 4 ...
      2. Florian geyer
        Florian geyer 6 October 2020 19: 58
        +8
        And then, that chemical production is a complex high-tech process in which these countries are not strong.


        Countries may not be strong, but transnational corporations (Bayer, BASF, DuPont) are strong, with production located in these countries.

        And self-tapping screws in Russia really do not produce
      3. CSKA
        CSKA 8 October 2020 14: 27
        -2
        Quote: Florian Geyer
        Countries may not be strong, but transnational corporations (Bayer, BASF, DuPont) are strong, with production located in these countries

        Only in Turkey, BASF is not large. Their chemical production is growing significantly, they have their own companies, but they do not produce anything significant, mainly household chemicals. Poland and Vietnam do nothing significant at all in chemical production.
  • Igoresha
    Igoresha 6 October 2020 17: 57
    +3
    but anywhere in general, just not in Russia.
    Well, not really, I personally saw in 2019 at a hospital undergoing renovation in Kharkov packages of incomprehensible garbage for warming the Peninsula of the Russian Federation, the Republic of Tatarstan)))
  • Vlad_S
    Vlad_S 6 October 2020 19: 42
    +2
    I bought Russian-made tiles in Leroy Merlin a month ago. Not Italy, but the quality is quite good. It differs from the imported one only in price and design. In general, in this store the entire middle segment is produced in Russia. Tile and plumbing, for sure, I saw it with my own eyes.
    1. Igoresha
      Igoresha 6 October 2020 20: 35
      0
      Tiles and plumbing, for sure, I saw with my own eyes.
      in Luhansk, the old Oskol plumbing was bought by relatives ... Italian right now, go for half an apartment
    2. Vlad_S
      Vlad_S 6 October 2020 20: 43
      -1
      https://irkutsk.kerama-marazzi.com/ru/company/manufacturing/
  • Elturisto
    Elturisto 6 October 2020 18: 00
    0
    Comrade, do not need so much muddy bullshit.
  • nickname7
    nickname7 11 October 2020 11: 28
    0
    which country is a gas station capable of creating software, supercomputers

    Friend, see for yourself who made the monitor, processor chips and ops. system of your computer and do not write nonsense.
    Something is produced in the Russian Federation this way, but BUT the end product of a high conversion from mechanical engineering, chemical industry, electronics, has a scanty share, scanty, and raw materials - a large part. The Russian Federation is de facto a raw material colony, if it will not be better to deceive itself.
  • lelik613
    lelik613 6 October 2020 19: 18
    0
    Rather wells.
  • Malyuta
    Malyuta 6 October 2020 08: 41
    19
    Quote: The same LYOKHA
    You want to say that the president got it after a quarter of a century ...

    It's just that the country smelled strongly of a breakthrough! belay
    1. Xnumx vis
      Xnumx vis 6 October 2020 20: 46
      -11 qualifying.
      Quote: Malyuta
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      You want to say that the president got it after a quarter of a century ...

      It's just that the country smelled strongly of a breakthrough! belay

      Probably bulk apologists, sorry communists, although no. Judging by the latest statements by the bulk. In a word, they spoiled the air with their inventions ... Burn! Malyuta! ...
      1. Malyuta
        Malyuta 6 October 2020 20: 50
        +2
        Quote: 30 vis
        Burn! Malyuta! ...

        Uh-huh, you will start here with you, you sprinkled everything with clamps belay
        1. Xnumx vis
          Xnumx vis 6 October 2020 21: 00
          +1
          Good me, tonight. A friend successfully underwent surgery to remove the tumor .. Discharged home .. I'll put a plus drinks
          1. Malyuta
            Malyuta 6 October 2020 21: 55
            +2
            Quote: 30 vis
            A friend successfully underwent surgery to remove the tumor .. Discharged home .. I'll put a plus

            This is great news! I wish your friend a speedy recovery. good drinks
      2. Elturisto
        Elturisto 6 October 2020 22: 08
        -4
        After you leave, nothing can spoil the air ...
  • Boris55
    Boris55 6 October 2020 10: 15
    -10 qualifying.
    Quote: The same LYOKHA
    You want to say that the president got it after a quarter of a century ...

    Do you still remember Khabarovsk? Do you remember how Zhirinovsky led the people out on the street so that he could defend his gesture for selling round timber to China? They calmed down Zhirik and showed the rest to their place.

    What was the point of taking care of the forest in a country that was bursting at the seams?
    What was the point of taking care of the forest in a country where a third of the population is poor?
    What was the point of taking care of the forest in the country, which was sitting on "bush legs"?
    What was the point of taking care of the forest in a country that cannot defend itself?

    Right now, not earlier, the time has come to put things in order in their country.
    1. Same lech
      Same lech 6 October 2020 10: 17
      13
      Right now, not earlier, the time has come to put things in order in their country.

      Why just now ... before the Duma elections? ... and how far will Comrade Putin go in restoring this order?
      1. Pereira
        Pereira 6 October 2020 10: 35
        12
        It was he who had seen enough of Belarus and tried on Bat'kin's caftan. Hence the unexpected insight.
        1. veritas
          veritas 6 October 2020 13: 42
          +9
          Quote: Pereira
          It was he who had seen enough of Belarus and tried on Bat'kin's caftan. Hence the unexpected insight.

          Think epiphany? Another blah blah most likely. Otherwise, the intellectual level should be questioned altogether. So many years in power and not to see, not to hear, not to understand - you really need to be gifted (alternatively)
        2. The popuas
          The popuas 6 October 2020 20: 58
          +4
          And how he began to stomp his feet ... his next criticism of the government, which openly lays down a bolt on him ... Vladimir Putin criticized the members of the government for not fulfilling the instructions to harmonize legislation in the field of education, sports and physical education ... I waited ten months to criticize or not negative
      2. Boris55
        Boris55 6 October 2020 10: 38
        -18 qualifying.
        Quote: The same LYOKHA
        and how far will comrade Putin go in restoring this order?

        As much as we allow him to do it, incl. and by the results of the elections, in accordance with the norms of the updated Constitution, on his initiative, aimed at the sovereignty of our country.
        1. Nazar
          Nazar 6 October 2020 12: 49
          15
          It's too late to drink Borjomi - everything that grew along the rivers (ribbon pine forests) and roads and that could be taken out relatively easily has already been cut down completely and of course taken out of the country - the so-called "investment contracts", this sabotage has been going on for a dozen years, and until Colonel just got it? Everything as the old Indian said - only when the last fish is caught from the river and the last tree is cut down in the forest, only then you will understand that you cannot eat money.
          Elections - yes? "renewed" Constitution - Yes? What for? To put these ghouls on your neck for another twenty years? Neither forest nor oil will be enough for from Wishlist, Their children are already over the hill, and they leave our desert. Boris55 - in what drug-frenzy did you see the "sovereignty" of our country? you have to get stoned, where does the occupied country have "sovereignty"?
          1. Varyag71
            Varyag71 6 October 2020 13: 27
            11
            Yes, there are enough of these stumps.
          2. CSKA
            CSKA 6 October 2020 15: 32
            -18 qualifying.
            Quote: Nazar
            Have you dreamed about the "sovereignty" of our country? you have to get stoned, where does the occupied country have "sovereignty"?

            You are not just a igorek that you smoke, you still see that you use something.))))) The trees near the roads and rivers are all cut down.))))))) You would keep your nonsense about the lack of sovereignty with you and walk along the river with the trees cut down.
            1. Nazar
              Nazar 7 October 2020 05: 34
              11
              CSKA (Sergey)
              I, Seryozha, live 100 meters from the taiga - across the road, or rather the former taiga, hemp and broken undergrowth, this is no longer taiga.
              You, Seryozha from Moscow, know better how things are going with deforestation here in Siberia, right?
              And as for "sovereignty" - who owns practically the entire retail chain in the country? Who in the country almost completely controls food production? Whose seed is used in the production of allegedly domestic C \ X products? The entire chain from food production to retail trade is controlled by foreign capital, in case of any serious aggravation of the situation, these guys will leave us without grub at the expense of "two", that's all sovereignty.
          3. Florian geyer
            Florian geyer 6 October 2020 20: 06
            -3
            What are "investment contracts"? Do you understand on what grounds the forest is harvested? Either rent or buy at the root.

            Otherwise, in Russia no more than 1/3 of the AAC is cut down
            1. Nazar
              Nazar 7 October 2020 05: 48
              +5
              Florian Geyer - Let me explain, in the Russian Federation, allegedly protective duties on the export of unprocessed (round) timber have been introduced a long time ago, but ... as always, with exceptions, of course. Investment contracts are this exception. The implication was that for deep processing of wood, it is necessary to create production facilities (bases, workshops, equipment), it needs money to get them, the company is allocated areas for felling and quotas for exporting round timber over the hill, and for the groceries received from this activity, the company and must build processing facilities (this is in theory). And in fact, a "businessman" comes to the head of the region and says - "Dad, here is my business plan: we draw an investment contract, we promise to set up all kinds of workshops, we cut wood for this business, we sell them, we take out pennies over the hill, we get citizenship of one of the Baltic countries and bring down to Europe "- dad approves such a plan of his little son and away we go ... This is not my fantasy, unfortunately in Altai, and not only there it all happened.
            2. Florian geyer
              Florian geyer 7 October 2020 11: 01
              +2
              Let me explain that the duties have been introduced, but their application has been frozen, and the old duties are applied. There are no quotas for exporting round timber over the hill. If you want to rent timber, harvest and export as much as you want.
              The questions are:
              1. You harvest the forest, be so kind as to carry out reforestation activities
              2. Yes, it is easier to get a good lease, both in terms of volume and composition of the forest and in terms of bonitet and availability, if you bring a project of some small plant into the justification. The very same investment agreement from only gives a tax discount for several years. But you can take a lease without it. The most delicious leases are distributed to their own people and for bribes.
              3. At one time, Stora Enso wanted to build a pulp and paper mill in Nizhny, but it did not take off - they allocated little and bad wood, or demanded a lot of money for "lobbying", so no one will honestly build large projects.
              4. The state of the boom industry in Russia is such that the harvested volumes of balances within the country are simply not needed. Foreigners do not care, they will not die without the Russian forest - it is already practically more profitable for them to transport timber / pulp from Brazilian eucalyptus plantations (and in China and Malaysia, too, such plantations were also planted) than the Russian birch and Christmas tree.

              I think all this is boiling over to the fact that Gazprom has decided to crawl into the forest industry again, so volumes are reserved for it

              I don't know about Altai. For me, the timber business beyond the Urals is like the other world - timber cannot be transported to the European part of Russia from beyond the Urals (as well as vice versa)
            3. Nazar
              Nazar 8 October 2020 01: 48
              0
              Florian Geyer (Eugene) - You wrote in detail and everything is correct. The key phrase - "... The most delicious leases are distributed to their own people and for bribes ...", but here everything is decided in this way, and not only "tasty", and of course the scale ... the demand is not limited, China is near, prices they really break hard, but in the end they buy everything.
              At the neighbors', the communist governor tried to introduce at least some order into this business, if not to restrict felling, so at least get taxes from this - yeah, how can I - flew out of the chair, did not even have time to say "oh".
    2. Karabin
      Karabin 6 October 2020 15: 49
      +5
      Quote: Boris55
      in accordance with the norms of the updated Constitution, on his initiative, aimed at the sovereignty of our country.

      Well, now Zero has everything, or is there something else that this dancer lacks?
  • Malyuta
    Malyuta 6 October 2020 20: 53
    +8
    Quote: Boris55
    Right now, not earlier, the time has come to put things in order in their country.

    Borya is not fixable, continues to believe in many / moves / point lol
  • Revival
    Revival 8 October 2020 05: 16
    +3
    "What was the point of taking care of the forest in a country where a third of the population is poor?"

    So what has changed !?
    There are more beggars and now is the time?
  • smart ass
    smart ass 6 October 2020 19: 51
    +7
    Better not to start, otherwise you will be shown that you do not remember how you lived in the 90s
  • dpu
    dpu 7 October 2020 14: 27
    +1
    He seems not to be Estonian ...
  • sergo
    sergo 6 October 2020 16: 14
    +3
    Yes, no, they realized that the flow is not a problem, but money must be earned somehow.
  • yehat2
    yehat2 6 October 2020 16: 16
    +7
    the whole of the Trans-Urals is densely covered, mainly by Chinese, foreign logging firms.
    there is a specific contingent - many migrants and former criminals.
    Absolutely none of them is interested in what will remain after deforestation.
    I talked with a Japanese man who got to such a felling.
    He shouldn't care either, but they are taught in school to take care of nature.
    So, the Japanese cried after what he saw for half a day, and then walked in depression.
    There is simply no forest in many areas.
  • Stirbjorn
    Stirbjorn 6 October 2020 08: 08
    +7
    Quote: The same LYOKHA
    The President finally gave birth to a decree banning the sale of unprocessed wood in 2024 ...
    And as usual, it won't change anything. Officials will simply increase the size of the bribe - for the ban, so to speak.
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 6 October 2020 09: 24
      22
      Quote: Stirbjorn
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      The President finally gave birth to a decree banning the sale of unprocessed wood in 2024 ...
      And as usual, it won't change anything. Officials will simply increase the size of the bribe - for the ban, so to speak.

      Naturally, someone can remember when our president's good intention was realized? Even mat capital, when they began to pay, real estate immediately doubled in price, and mat capital smoothly flowed from mothers to bank owners .. About gasoline, raising pensions, exporting money over the hill ... you may not even remember ..
      1. Kronos
        Kronos 6 October 2020 09: 58
        +7
        Of course I can do any undertaking in raising taxes or the retirement age.
      2. CSKA
        CSKA 6 October 2020 15: 38
        -19 qualifying.
        Quote: Svarog
        has the good intention been realized? Even mate capital, when they began to pay

        Are you even able to understand with your own head that the creation of maternity capital is already a good intention?
        Quote: Svarog
        then real estate immediately doubled in price

        Tell this lie to the kids in the yard.
        Quote: Svarog
        and mat capital smoothly flowed from mothers to bank owners

        And to the mothers they swam apartments.))))))
        Quote: Svarog
        About gasoline, raising pensions, exporting money over the hill ... you may not even remember.

        So be quiet. It's better than carrying your own nonsense. Especially about gasoline, one of the cheapest in the world.
        1. The popuas
          The popuas 6 October 2020 21: 01
          +7
          Where will you buy an apartment for half a lam? ... a room, yes, or a separate shed
          1. CSKA
            CSKA 8 October 2020 14: 05
            -1
            Quote: Popuas
            Where will you buy an apartment for half a lam? ... a room, yes, or a separate shed

            Maternity capital is given to help in acquiring an apartment, and not to buy an apartment purely for it. In Krasnodar, you can buy a studio for 700 thousand. I just don’t understand. Do you not like what maternity capital is given to people?
        2. And
          And 7 October 2020 08: 49
          0
          The question is not about the price of gasoline, but about its availability for the population. Do not be lazy, look for the size of the minimum wage and the price per liter of fuel in different countries of the world and compare how much a citizen of the corresponding country can buy gasoline on the minimum wage. Everything comes out very clearly.
          1. CSKA
            CSKA 8 October 2020 14: 22
            0
            Quote: And
            Do not be lazy, look for the size of the minimum wage and the price per liter of fuel in different countries of the world and compare how much for the minimum wage

            ))))) Interestingly you tied to the minimum wage. The person who sits on the minimum wage hardly has a car. You need to look at the average salary. Let's take Azerbaijan. Average salary 357 euros. Gasoline price 98 - 0,7 euros. It turns out 510 liters. We have an average salary of 46674. Let the maximum price of Ai-95 gasoline be 50,49. It turns out 924 liters.
            1. And
              And 8 October 2020 15: 18
              0
              To get away from the average temperature in the hospital, I suggested comparing on the basis of specific figures, i.e. The minimum wage, which cannot be adjusted depending on how it is considered.
              1. CSKA
                CSKA 8 October 2020 15: 38
                -4
                Quote: And
                To get away from the average temperature in the hospital, I suggested comparing on the basis of specific figures, i.e. The minimum wage, which cannot be adjusted depending on how it is considered.

                Oh well. The minimum wage in Azerbaijan is 125 euros, it turns out 178 liters. We have 12130 rubles, it turns out 240 liters.
                1. And
                  And 8 October 2020 15: 46
                  +1
                  And moreover, it is Azerbaijan that can be compared with Uganda. You have given the argument above that our economy is on the 6th line, so let's compare the availability of gasoline at least in the first 10 countries.
                2. CSKA
                  CSKA 8 October 2020 17: 42
                  -3
                  Quote: And
                  And moreover, it is Azerbaijan that can be compared with Uganda

                  Moreover, Azerbaijan, unlike Uganda, extracts and sells more oil.
                  Quote: And
                  You have given the argument above that our economy is on the 6th line, so let's compare the availability of gasoline at least in the first 10 countries.

                  Let's. Select a country.
                3. And
                  And 9 October 2020 10: 50
                  +1
                  Hello, I looked and counted. I took the data on the mrot at the rate of 8 hours a day / 40 hours a week / 22 work. days a month. Data are indicated in nat. currencies: minimum wage / price of 1 liter. gasoline:
                  China - 2800/7,
                  USA - 1900 / 0,73,
                  India - 9682,91-83,34,
                  Japan - 158 576/150,
                  Germany - 1496-1,4,
                  Indonesia - 2 758 050-6400,
                  Great Britain - 1534,72 / 1,27,
                  France - 1540 / 1,34.
                  Something like that.
                4. CSKA
                  CSKA 9 October 2020 17: 46
                  -1
                  Well, let's break it down. For the minimum wage, you can buy 240 liters from us.
                  Quote: And
                  China - 2800/7

                  2800 is what? Minimum wage? What do you count in dollars? I don't know where you got such numbers from. The minimum wage in China is 5995 yuan.
                  For other countries, it is not entirely clear in what currency. It is not clear what kind of gasoline you took.
                  We take those with which it is clear by the minimum price, but it is not clear what kind of gasoline:
                  UK-1207 L
                  Germany - 1068 L
                  France - 1149 L
                  These countries cannot buy much more gasoline for the minimum wage. Of course it seems that they can buy much more gasoline.
                  Let's go further.
                  To set the minimum wage, they start from the consumer basket, which includes different products in different countries and, most importantly, the prices for these products are different. Therefore, the indicator of how much gasoline can be bought at the minimum wage is not an indicator of the availability of gasoline in the country. This is a completely incorrect comparison, since the minimum wage is based and made primarily in order to be able to buy essential goods.
                  It was more correct to compare it with the average salary. So everyone thinks. And according to the minimum wage, it is convenient to consider only you in order to criticize.
                  Now we take our average salary, but we will not divide here, and so it is understandable, we are in second place in Europe for the cheapest gasoline and in 17th in the world. I'll just give you an example so that there is no talk about the average temperature in the hospital.
                  Out of my huge number of relatives, friends and acquaintances in Krasnodar, Rostov, Crimea and Moscow, only 4 girls receive salaries. 25000, but their husbands earn 3-4 times more. There are also two more guys working as auxiliary workers, they receive 30-40 thousand a month. ALL. The rest less than 60 thousand do not receive, but generally on average 100-150 thousand.
                  Of course, they receive most of the bulk in envelopes. That is why 12% of the population is of the type below the poverty line, but in fact many of them, if not the majority, receive minimum wages, but in fact receive much more in envelopes. Therefore, the average salary in the country is 46 thousand.
                  Now I will give you another example. I don't know if you were abroad, in particular in Europe. I've been here and I can tell you. In Germany, just the average salary is the average salary and it is, oh, how small, given their prices. Of course, they can buy more gasoline with this money than the Russians, which will probably please you, but in fact all this money is spent on paying for housing and numerous loans. Only 42% of Germans have their own housing, and according to various estimates in the Russian Federation from 52 to 78%. And most Germans live in debt using credit cards, and repaying them from each salary.
                  Let me give you another example. Norway has a very high average salary and quite cheap gasoline only about 1 Euro. But food and housing are very expensive there. I went to a regular eatery where I bought mushroom soup for 20 euros. Soup is 1 times more expensive than 20 liter of gasoline! For comparison, I can buy the same soup in Krasnodar for 100 rubles, that is, 2 times more expensive than 1 liter of gasoline.
                  The conclusion is as follows. Of course, we can count with you here how many liters you can buy for an average salary, but in fact our people earn completely different money than they show to the tax authorities. And the more they can afford this money no less, but no more than in the developed countries of Europe. A striking example of this is a lot of housing under construction, which has buyers and a lot of cars on the roads because of which there are traffic jams, which we have in Krasnodar, that in Rostov, that in Moscow, that in other large cities.
  • nerovnayadoroga
    nerovnayadoroga 8 October 2020 00: 13
    +1
    The road to HELL is paved with good intentions!
  • nickname7
    nickname7 11 October 2020 11: 56
    +1
    can anyone remember when our president's good intention was realized?

    All the beautiful and correct words that they say on the zombie box are needed only to increase the ratings, naturally no one will fulfill these promises, high ratings will allow you to win the next term.
    I admit that listening to Medvedev's speeches, you can get aesthetic pleasure from speech in the literary sense. The formulations are so verified and precise, how beautifully the sentences are constructed, just aerobatics of the literary Russian language, a poem, speechwriters at his level, although after that, all this literature is thrown into the trash can. They know how to say, but there is no deed.
  • aybolyt678
    aybolyt678 6 October 2020 08: 24
    11
    Quote: The same LYOKHA
    President finally gave birth to a decree banning the sale of unprocessed timber

    it would be more sense if a decree was born on the execution of specific persons for non-execution of presidential decrees
    1. Malyuta
      Malyuta 6 October 2020 08: 44
      28
      Quote: aybolyt678
      it would be more sense if a decree was born on the execution of specific persons for non-execution of presidential decrees

      Did you laugh like that right now? What the hell are decrees? And how can you sign a decree to shoot yourself?
      1. aybolyt678
        aybolyt678 6 October 2020 11: 20
        0
        Quote: Malyuta
        And how can you sign a decree to shoot yourself?

        and what decrees does he not carry out ???
  • Malyuta
    Malyuta 6 October 2020 08: 42
    20
    Quote: The same LYOKHA
    The President finally gave birth to a decree banning the sale of untreated timber already in 2024 ... belay For 25 years she was driven abroad for a song destroying our forest

    Who else doubts that Putin is a utilizer of Russia?
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 6 October 2020 09: 26
      10
      Quote: Malyuta
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      The President finally gave birth to a decree banning the sale of untreated timber already in 2024 ... belay For 25 years she was driven abroad for a song destroying our forest

      Who else doubts that Putin is a utilizer of Russia?

      Nobody, and who else doubts enough to look at the objective indicators .. Demography, economics, medicine, industry, science ..
      1. Malyuta
        Malyuta 6 October 2020 09: 35
        18
        Quote: Svarog
        None,

        You are an optimist, comrade. Now adherents will come flying in and tell you about the made-naunas, never lived, pro-races and many other "greatest achievements" of Putinism.
        1. Svarog
          Svarog 6 October 2020 09: 38
          10
          Quote: Malyuta
          Quote: Svarog
          None,

          You are an optimist, comrade. Now adherents will come flying in and tell you about the made-naunas, never lived, pro-races and many other "greatest achievements" of Putinism.

          I think that sensible people have already learned to distinguish commentators from Kremlin bots))
          1. Malyuta
            Malyuta 6 October 2020 09: 55
            13
            Quote: Svarog
            I think that sensible people have already learned to distinguish commentators from Kremlin bots))

            Do not flatter yourself, adherents are pumped daily with a scraping and in this case common sense for them is an atavism yes
          2. CSKA
            CSKA 6 October 2020 15: 46
            -16 qualifying.
            Quote: Svarog
            I think that sensible people have already learned to distinguish commentators from Kremlin bots))

            Do you consider yourself sane commies-navalnyata?))))))))))))))))))))
        2. Pereira
          Pereira 6 October 2020 10: 37
          +6
          Something adepts do not fly. They're probably still sleeping. They have another night.
        3. CSKA
          CSKA 6 October 2020 15: 45
          -9
          Quote: Malyuta
          made aunas, never lived, prorakets and many other "greatest achievements" of Putinism.

          Well, of course. Especially the site Made by us you do not like. There are also facts, but you cannot argue against facts. This is not your empty chatter.))))))
          1. Nikolai Korovin
            Nikolai Korovin 6 October 2020 18: 12
            -3
            Trample, trample. How can you trample. If I don't like facts, so much the worse for facts. You poke your nose into the photo - here is your favorite ocean trawler, launched (before that we were talking about MRS. Not needed, they say. Only ocean trawlers.). And another 15 pieces have been laid, and in total, according to the plan, 4 are supposed to be launched in 40 years (I don't remember exactly). - No, he says. I only heard about 4, and this is all fiction.
            So talk to this one. The world's largest icebreaker "Arktika" reached the North Pole? - It's all the pro-Putin trolls invented. This cannot be, because we have a gas station country. Well, 30 years ago there was Upper Volta with missiles - although this was not denied. Now they don't see rockets at close range. They only know how to defecate without leaving the place where they eat in three throats.
            As for the sobbing about the teachers' salaries - well, I don't know how it is with you, but here in Saratov for ninety years old women mess with the guys - I don't know how it is now. But in the 90s, I remember, I heard out of my ear how much teachers were paid, and went to my native school to offer services. They gave me 8 hours a week in two subjects at a convenient time for me - early in the morning. True, as a candidate of sciences, they were immediately given the 14th category (in the research institute there was the 13th), but as a part-time worker, I did not have any allowances or surcharges - only the rate per hour. So in these 8 hours I still received almost as much as in 40 hours at the research institute.
            Here I have now with an actual work experience of 48 years (many in the PF did not count, in particular, university studies and graduate school - but in fact, in fact, also work, in Soviet times it was considered, I am not talking about freelancing) the official 0.5 rate of the senior ( !) of a researcher - exactly the same 12 rubles. And I get it with all the allowances, incl. for overfulfillment of the plan at full time, about 000. Also quite official. I am sure that the proportion at school is about the same. A 35-year-old girl still needs to learn how to work first, and only then start rowing money with a shovel. By the way, a laboratory assistant at an academic institute has 000, including the basic allowance. Well, you can probably earn a little more money, but you won't run too far. So if we cry - so about all state employees, without exception. School teachers live better than university teachers. I know for sure.
            1. Florian geyer
              Florian geyer 6 October 2020 20: 11
              +2
              Found something to be proud of. In our Leningrad region, a guard-watchman receives 30-40 tr / month. Handyman in low-rise construction 2 tr per day.
              1. Nikolai Korovin
                Nikolai Korovin 6 October 2020 21: 02
                0
                I'm not proud. Quite the opposite is true. But I partly understand why the situation with the salary of researchers is the way it is. I have been working in this office recently (the office is academic, but somewhat specific. In general, basically a multidisciplinary edition). In 2016, when I arrived, the situation was as follows: full-time employees came 2 times a week. Half-time workers came once a week - basically, work can be done at home, and even necessary - no one distracts, you sit and scribble. Editorial work. But there is a weekly job, which must be attended, and in general it was like this: done - free. Well, then full-time employees were transferred to part-time, and half-time employees - to 1/4 of the rate, try to guess why. But the money was left the same. This is to what I wrote about 1/2 rate.

                So when I came, literally 2-3 months later, the nix began. All were obliged to walk 3 times a week from and to and gain 27 hours of presence, which is not necessary and even harmful for the good of the case. And now - after a few months, out of 600 employees, 400 remained. Those who are used to doing psychotechnics and raking in the heat with someone else's hands, filling their sections with profitable materials whistled from other people's shelves or received from acquaintance from other departments and only remotely suitable in terms of topics - all quit ... They are accustomed to the fact that in two presences of 4-5 hours they manage to do everything and have 5 days off a week for other activities. And in 2 working days you don't need to strain too much. All such, if I may say so, employees, did not like the innovations very much, and rumors circulated that this was serious and for a long time, and then it might even get worse. And so all this crowd stood on the wing and together withdrew.

                And now there are 600 people at the institute again, the regime is the same as at the beginning, when I arrived, and the youth became a little noticeable. So what? It turns out that a third of the employees are simply used to skimping with impunity at someone else's expense and not blowing their heads. And here we have such, in general, did not become, or almost disappeared. Do we have such a unique place? Not at all! There are also offices in science where almost everyone is like that! Or, say, they work in one department, and in the next one they cheekily and defiantly beat their thumbs. Someone works, and someone only serves the room and wipes his pants. We swam, we know. I, according to Soviet concepts - "flyer". For 42 years after graduation, my current place of work is eighth. But I have seen something.

                So at school, such numbers do not work. In principle, such knowledge as in science is far from required (of course, if you work in science and not engage in intrigues). But then you came - work, from bell to bell. Quite a significant difference with the places where the net can be squeezed. So everything can be on average and fair, but only because of the nets those who really work suffer. These are the kitten pies.
      2. aybolyt678
        aybolyt678 6 October 2020 11: 25
        +6
        Quote: Svarog
        Demography, economics, medicine, industry, science ..

        put science first. Because we do not have qualified scientists and technologists, so nothing happens
        1. CSKA
          CSKA 6 October 2020 15: 48
          -9
          Quote: aybolyt678
          put science first. Because we do not have qualified scientists and technologists, so nothing happens

          And you there in what area the professor defended his scientific dissertation?
          1. Nikolai Korovin
            Nikolai Korovin 6 October 2020 18: 12
            -5
            Presumably bioenergy sciences. Transformation of personal ... um ... energy into banknotes.
          2. aybolyt678
            aybolyt678 6 October 2020 18: 24
            +4
            Quote: CSKA
            And you there in what area the professor defended his scientific dissertation?

            I am a veterinary virologist with an advanced degree but not a professor.
            1. CSKA
              CSKA 7 October 2020 11: 19
              0
              Quote: aybolyt678
              I am a veterinary virologist with an advanced degree but not a professor.

              As far as I remember from Magadan? Just don't tell me how you decided the veterinary virologist that we do not have qualified scientists and technologists?
              1. aybolyt678
                aybolyt678 7 October 2020 12: 34
                +2
                Question 1. Where are the Russian processors? at least for phones?
                Question 2. What are the completely Russian cars? except 4 by 4 naturally
                I will gladly accept your point of view, just convince.
                What do we have ahead of the rest of the world? we only have tanks and machine guns for people who can do smile
        2. Mikhail Tynda
          Mikhail Tynda 6 October 2020 16: 38
          -1
          Doesn't work what?
          1. Nikolai Korovin
            Nikolai Korovin 6 October 2020 18: 13
            -1
            Nothing at all. All around there was only sawed-down forest - and not a single bunny within sight.
          2. aybolyt678
            aybolyt678 6 October 2020 18: 25
            +1
            Quote: Mikhail Tynda
            Doesn't work what?

            production of high-tech consumer goods does not work.
            1. CSKA
              CSKA 7 October 2020 11: 20
              -2
              Quote: aybolyt678
              production of high-tech consumer goods does not work.

              What makes you think that we should try to squeeze into this niche?
              1. aybolyt678
                aybolyt678 7 October 2020 12: 38
                +2
                Quote: CSKA
                What makes you think that we should try to squeeze into this niche?

                then people will have a job to produce something. For a military man is a limited circle of persons.
        3. ZEMCH
          ZEMCH 6 October 2020 22: 02
          +3
          Quote: aybolyt678
          put science first. Because we do not have qualified scientists and technologists, so nothing happens

          So science begins with school, then a university)), Everything needs to be developed evenly, otherwise imbalances will give extra specialists. Let's remember the 90s - economists, lawyers, but there are no engineers. So we got a failure
      3. Vadim237
        Vadim237 6 October 2020 13: 10
        -19 qualifying.
        "Demography, economics, medicine, industry, science .." With them, everything is more or less in order every day they build something new and create something new - no one stands still. At the expense of the economy, its growth in the context of a global decline in demand for almost everything, you can not wait for the economy to grow, you need an increase in demand in all areas, but there is none.
        1. Svarog
          Svarog 6 October 2020 13: 25
          +9
          Quote: Vadim237
          in order for the economy to grow, demand growth is needed in all areas, but it does not exist.

          Firstly, in order for the demand to be needed, a cheap and superior product is needed, Secondly, there must be money to buy this product .. This is all in the capitalist paradigm, which boils down to immeasurable consumption and is forced to constantly seek and expand sales markets ..
          "Demography, economics, medicine, industry, science .." With them, everything is more or less in order every day they build something new and create something new - no one stands still.

          That's right, they don't stand still, they are already falling into the abyss .. Where are you more or less? Every year the city dies out in Russia .. do you think this is more or less okay?
        2. CSKA
          CSKA 6 October 2020 15: 51
          -13 qualifying.
          Quote: Vadim237
          With them, everything is more or less in order every day they build something new and create something new

          It is useless for Vadim to list the facts. They also call people like us kremlebots. For them, the poor, everyone who has achieved success and sees that the country is developing, immediately becomes a kremlebot. But I wonder what these svarogs with babies live on? Is it not for money that they will accidentally pile up ?!
          1. Greenwood
            Greenwood 6 October 2020 16: 05
            14
            Quote: CSKA
            everyone who succeeded
            You can be counted on the fingers of such people who have achieved success in a poor country against the background of millions of poor people. And it is still unknown at what cost you achieved this success and whether the strict regime colony is crying for you.
            1. CSKA
              CSKA 6 October 2020 16: 26
              -12 qualifying.
              Quote: Greenwood
              You can be counted on the fingers of such people who have achieved success in a poor country against the background of millions of poor people. And it is still unknown at what cost you achieved this success and whether the strict regime colony is crying for you.

              No, not crying. Honestly earned. And you can not tell this tale about millions of beggars. it can be seen in the number of purchased cars, apartments in the Russian Federation as our country lives in poverty. People do not eat up. Then they finish eating in Turkey.
              1. Greenwood
                Greenwood 7 October 2020 04: 34
                +4
                Quote: CSKA
                it can be seen in the number of purchased cars, apartments in the Russian Federation as our country lives in poverty. People do not eat up. Then they finish eating in Turkey.
                Oh, write straight according to the template. About mortgage apartments and cars bought on credit. The total debt load (and the increasing growth of bankruptcies of individuals) is hardly an indicator of a good life.
            2. Mikhail Tynda
              Mikhail Tynda 6 October 2020 16: 46
              +2
              I have lived and worked all my life in the North. And my salary is more than the national average, much more. And I do not work on a watch, but I live here all the time. The colony is crying for me ?! Yes, the colony will rest, as the guys in - 45 give all the best. Go North, there's a lot of money here. But also winter is 7 months a year. Earn money! Who's in the way? Build BAM2, mine coal on Inagle, asphalt the Lena highway, hang on a carriage in Verznezeisk in winter. Labor will be paid with dignity. Screamers! To tear the seat away from the sofa is too lazy.
              1. 72jora72
                72jora72 7 October 2020 00: 23
                0
                But also winter is 7 months a year. Earn money! Who's in the way?
                We have 9 months in Chukotka tongue
                1. Mikhail Tynda
                  Mikhail Tynda 7 October 2020 03: 30
                  -1
                  Wow. And how do you just live there?
              2. Beringovsky
                Beringovsky 7 October 2020 00: 31
                +7
                Yes, now the whole country will go north to earn money. We will all go, teachers, doctors, engineers, designers (which are still left) .... And what, we will extract raw materials. Raw materials, more raw materials!

                Quote: Mikhail Tynda
                ... Build BAM2, mine coal on Inagle, asphalt the Lena highway ...

                You have forgotten to mention the expansion of seaports, we have good money in our budget for this. In general, all this - both BAM2, and the roads to Lena and ports and icebreakers, everything is subordinated to one goal - to extract even more minerals and sell abroad. That is the whole Putin strategy, all the HSPs for the last 20 years.
                But what about mechanical engineering, electronics, aviation, shipbuilding, etc.? Don't you need it? Apparently so.
                1. Mikhail Tynda
                  Mikhail Tynda 7 October 2020 03: 24
                  -3
                  That is, BAM served to plunder natural resources in the USSR? And even then, by the way, there were 3 price zones and salaries were different. Really different. And based on your logic, the residents of Yakutia are not worthy of a normal road? And well. do not need to develop?
              3. Greenwood
                Greenwood 7 October 2020 04: 36
                +7
                Quote: Mikhail Tynda
                Go North, there's a lot of money here. But also winter is 7 months a year. Earn money!
                Great advice. Straight in the style of Medvedev. He really offered to go into business. Tell this to millions of teachers, doctors, government officials, scientists, public sector employees, etc. Should they all go to the North? Those. ordinary people in ordinary jobs in their hometowns do not deserve a decent salary, which you can not drag out a half-beggarly existence? You must definitely go to the North, to Moscow, etc. Who will work in other regions?
          2. Nikolai Korovin
            Nikolai Korovin 6 October 2020 18: 21
            -4
            Well, I say - if I don't like facts, then so much the worse for facts. We are dying out, they say. But they do not say that this is a direct consequence of what happened in the 90s. Presumably, the birth rate is higher now, but it has not yet been possible to fully compensate for the "Russian cross" of those years. The failure was too strong. But he became noticeably flatter. Given that the average life expectancy of men has not yet reached, if I am not mistaken, the level of the Soviet era. But at least not 59 years ago, like 20 years ago. Here are the women acclimatized. They have more perspectives and topics for discussion. And for men, everything is, on average, somewhat worse.
            1. Greenwood
              Greenwood 7 October 2020 04: 38
              +4
              Quote: Nikolai Korovin
              But they do not say that this is a direct consequence of what happened in the 90s.
              Yes, no, it's the Second World, the October Revolution, Napoleon, the Tatar-Mongol yoke and the Pechenegs and the Polovtsians are to blame. At least something like that Peskov and Putin think. lol
            2. Energetik81
              Energetik81 7 October 2020 11: 29
              0
              The increase in life expectancy is due to a decrease in child mortality. You and I did not live longer)))
            3. Nikolai Korovin
              Nikolai Korovin 8 October 2020 22: 20
              -1
              Something too many minuses for the facts. Kind of weird. It seems that I do not show any special political preferences ... It is just that someone does not like the facts. For example, such that at school you want it or not, but you have to work from and to, and in research institutes a good professional will always blame the most difficult and unpleasant work on someone else, and even scold him. And for a conference in Germany, for example, he will ride, and not the one who did everything. Well, what can you do? And in school with this relative equality. Not lucky in one year - you see, in another better. Or vice versa ... Life is striped. And in research institutes it sometimes turns out longitudinally smooth, but with barriers, moreover.
          3. ANDREY MIKHAILOV_2
            ANDREY MIKHAILOV_2 6 October 2020 18: 38
            -5
            Svarogi with Malyuta, from morning to evening here. Their main criterion is to sketch pseudo-facts in the right direction.
            1. stalkerwalker
              stalkerwalker 6 October 2020 18: 42
              +2
              "Don't wake up smartly, while it's quiet ..." ©
              good
            2. CSKA
              CSKA 7 October 2020 10: 33
              -2
              Quote: ANDREY MIKHAILOV_2
              Svarogi with Malyuta, from morning to evening here. Their main criterion is to sketch pseudo-facts in the right direction.

              Dear where did you see the facts from them? There is a set like a brochure in bulk and not a single fact.
        3. Karabin
          Karabin 6 October 2020 15: 57
          15
          Quote: Vadim237
          At the expense of the economy of its growth in the context of a global decline in demand

          The consequences of the war, perestroika, and the 90s were supplemented by covid and the global crisis. Now, if not for them, Putin and Co. would have long ago brought the country to sky-high heights. However, paradise is promised to us in love. The rest will simply die. laughing
      4. CSKA
        CSKA 6 October 2020 15: 44
        -9
        Quote: Svarog
        Nobody, and who else doubts enough to look at the objective indicators .. Demography, economics, medicine, industry, science ..

        Blah blah blah. And here are some more indicators. The growth of the welfare of citizens for 20 years at times. Rearmament of the army. 6th economy in the world. 6th in terms of gold and foreign exchange reserves. It is Putin's fault in demography, not the 90s? And what about medicine, industry and science? As usual, your empty chatter. Ask the owners to change the agitation.
        1. Greenwood
          Greenwood 7 October 2020 04: 43
          +3
          Quote: CSKA
          6th economy in the world. 6th in terms of gold and foreign exchange reserves.
          And the average salary in the regions is 20-25k. There was already an article about teachers with a salary of 12000.
          Quote: CSKA
          As usual, your empty chatter. Ask the owners to change the agitation.
          I would advise the interlocutors to be less rude here. There were many such aggressive pro-Putin activists like you here, and everyone was sent to the ban. You don't want to repeat their fate ?!
    2. Varyag71
      Varyag71 6 October 2020 13: 28
      +8
      But he also clearly said that he continued the work of Yeltsin.
    3. CSKA
      CSKA 6 October 2020 15: 41
      -12 qualifying.
      Quote: Malyuta
      Who else doubts that Putin is a utilizer of Russia?

      )))))) So I don't even doubt it, I'm sure. And I am also sure that as you are a baby, you need to be called to account for a long time by law. Add an article to the headless law.
  • Gaersul
    Gaersul 6 October 2020 09: 16
    14
    Quote: The same LYOKHA
    President finally gave birth to a decree banning the sale of unprocessed timber

    Greetings. "Smart people" have long been putting a mobile sawmill on the site of felling and the round timber magically turns into a carriage, there is no ban on it. :) Well, it used to be so and I doubt that something has changed in this regard.
  • Paul Siebert
    Paul Siebert 6 October 2020 20: 14
    +9
    Quote: The same LYOKHA
    Therefore, such uncertainty in our country will persist for a long time.

    With such uncertainty, the country itself will not exist for long ...
    Wonderful article!
    Everything is accurate and to the point.
    Himself on the second diploma - a teacher. Russian language and literature.
    But I don't work in my specialty - I can't live.
    Yes, and nerves must be iron ... With the modern younger generation.
    And the trouble is that under the existing political system nothing will change.
    The author writes "everyone is happy with everything ..."
    Here I do not agree. 98% of Russians are not satisfied with the current situation.
    Totally.
    Satisfied by the ruling class, stubbornly reducing our children to the level of morons.
    Satisfied with our oligarchy, for which the people are the object of milking and bullying.
    It suits our bureaucracy, for which a dull electorate is a guarantee of silence and non-resistance ...
    But this situation cannot last long.
    The patience of the people is like a coiled spring. Has a compression endpoint.
    And then it will lethally unclench and slap someone's forehead ...
    And it's not a fact that these people will have time to reach their personal liners ... am
  • t7310
    t7310 7 October 2020 08: 01
    -2
    "furniture came to us at an exorbitant price, made of our own wood"
    dear, what else can be limited to export? preferably with an analysis of what is possible and what is needed
  • the most important
    the most important 7 October 2020 19: 26
    +1
    Quote: The same LYOKHA
    The President finally gave birth to a decree banning the sale of unprocessed timber in 2024.

    Quote: The same LYOKHA
    . that this could happen so that he finally made the right decision ..

    1.In the beginning of the century it was loudly announced that in 2014 a manned flight to Mars will take place !!! Who remembers this now? So by the year 24 they will forget to do what they promised. 2. Or maybe by that time there will simply be nothing to export. Only hemp and conflagration will remain.
  • Private-K
    Private-K 8 October 2020 21: 30
    0
    Quote: The same LYOKHA
    For 25 years she was driven abroad for next to nothing, destroying our forest

    The export of timber from the Russian Federation is approximately equal to the export of timber from the USSR = 20 million cubic meters. in year. These are logs - commercial wood.
  • Pilat2009
    Pilat2009 6 October 2020 06: 43
    12
    If anyone has not noticed, the bottom has been broken for a long time. The crisis has been going on since 2009, the dollar has doubled and the salary has not increased. Earlier, even though salaries were indexed regularly.
    1. Same lech
      Same lech 6 October 2020 06: 45
      -18 qualifying.
      Respected crisis ... crisis at one point in our time merged a number of objective reasons contributing to this ... I am extremely glad that the Third World War has not yet begun ... Thank God that we have enough nuclear-filled missiles that prevent this war from starting. hi
      1. URAL72
        URAL72 6 October 2020 08: 26
        -5
        In recent years, after the United States renounced the ABM and INF Treaty, I was pursued by an obsessive thought - 1700 warheads on strategic carriers, it will not be enough for us ... Partially solve the problems of the Zircons, Daggers and the CD of the fleet, primarily underwater, but only partially...
        1. Same lech
          Same lech 6 October 2020 08: 42
          -10 qualifying.
          We also need to take into account the arsenals of the US allies ... France, England ... of course, we need to increase the number of warheads while improving the quality of ammunition. hi
        2. Aag
          Aag 7 October 2020 07: 39
          0
          Quote: URAL72
          In recent years, after the United States renounced the ABM and INF Treaty, I was pursued by an obsessive thought - 1700 warheads on strategic carriers, it will not be enough for us ... Partially solve the problems of the Zircons, Daggers and the CD of the fleet, primarily underwater, but only partially...

          Q.E.D!
          The conversation about education ended with brandishing a nuclear club ... (((
      2. aglet
        aglet 6 October 2020 09: 18
        +7
        "Thank God that we have enough nuclear missiles to prevent this war from starting."
        are you sure these missiles will be used by partners? to do this, you need to have the political will and a strong desire to protect the country and the people. With one hand, plunging the people into poverty, making them a fodder base for friends, "for whom you are not ashamed", will they be protected with the other hand from partners?
        1. Same lech
          Same lech 6 October 2020 09: 21
          -10 qualifying.
          are you sure these missiles will be used by partners? for this you need to have political will and a strong desire to protect the country

          I'm sure ... when they press down, they will actually use it.
          Well, imagine that the United States launched thousands of missiles at Russia ... here it will be all the same realizing that in a few minutes you will die ... I would not hesitate to give an order to respond to the aggressors ... it will already be spit on partners ... billions of dollars in US banks ... on rogue relatives registered there.
          1. aglet
            aglet 6 October 2020 09: 24
            14
            "I would not hesitate to give the order to respond to the aggressors"
            I have no doubt about it. but orders will be given by completely different people who will think three more times what to bomb, London, or Voronezh
            1. Same lech
              Same lech 6 October 2020 09: 26
              -6
              but orders will be given by completely different people who will think three more times what to bomb, London, or Voronezh

              These other people will already be under attack from US missiles ... do you really think they are such dullards who do not understand what is happening ... before death, a person is capable of desperate actions. hi
              1. aglet
                aglet 6 October 2020 13: 20
                +4
                "These other people will already be hit by US missiles ... do you really think they are such dumb people who do not understand what is happening."
                no, of course, they are not stupid, therefore, they will not be hit by US missiles at this time. southern islands, northern mountains - there are a lot of places on earth where you can live well without fear of US missile strikes. The main thing is to catch the last submarine in time
            2. Vadim237
              Vadim237 6 October 2020 13: 14
              -10 qualifying.
              For this, there is a system that allows you to launch all missiles in the event of a massive missile strike on our territory.
              1. aglet
                aglet 6 October 2020 13: 22
                +7
                do you really believe in it yourself?
                1. region58
                  region58 12 October 2020 04: 45
                  0
                  Quote: aglet
                  Oh really?

                  "Perimeter", aka "The Dead Hand", they say, again put on alert. There was no exact information and there is no. This is understandable.
      3. Nazar
        Nazar 6 October 2020 13: 10
        15
        We lost the third world war in 1991.
        The USSR had no less missiles with stuffing than the Russian Federation, and for the rest of the weapons of the Russian Federation, it was not suitable for the USSR ... and what saved the USSR weapon from defeat in the war?
        A "crisis" - it is in the minds of a crisis, to explain? It's easy - 2009 and the year we have a crisis, but what about it "global" and we are "embedded" in the world economy, here is the crisis and minus 11% of GDP ... why, China is not "embedded" in the world economy? more than ours is "built-in", while the PRC in 2009 grew by 6% of GDP. Isn't India part of the world economy? And in India in 2009 the GDP growth was 6%, a number of countries with similar results passed that year, that is, half of the world's population in 2009 increased their GDP at a rather slow pace, which means that the crisis was not "global". Whose "merit" is that our country found itself in that half of the world where there is a crisis, and not in that half of the world where there is growth?
  • Svarog
    Svarog 6 October 2020 07: 50
    27
    Quote: figvam
    And the president is waiting for a breakthrough ...

    He does not expect anything ... otherwise Rusnano, headed by Chubais, would have been jailed long ago. We support the president on our taxes and he costs us 20 billion a year, and if with his servants, then 40 billion. It would be enough to cut their appetites and money for teachers ... there are also Duma members with salaries of 400 tr , SF and service staff ..
    In general, a rotten system has been built and we will soon be jealous of African countries .. in many respects, African countries are already ahead of us ..
    1. Same lech
      Same lech 6 October 2020 08: 13
      0
      In general, a rotten system is built

      Here I agree with you 100 percent hi ... and the question of how long such a system will last before its logical collapse is just a matter of time ... I hope that at least this Mr.-Comrade Putin should understand.
      The state cannot exist on a rotten foundation for a long time ... new revolutions and counter-revolutions await us.
      1. depressant
        depressant 6 October 2020 09: 49
        18
        Last night, the teenagers under my windows again learned to burn tires and shoot with combatants. Silently. No happy puppy squeals. New generation. It will not go to rob Moscow, there are enough of their own. They will go to rob the apartments already outlined in their village. They will kill those who are slightly wealthier than their parents. Because even more wealthy people will have time to go abroad, where they have "airfields" in store based on the results of previous Russian revolutions. Some have small ones, some have more, and some have such that the Boeing can sit down. And they will do it in advance. They are attentive, they are watching. And they will leave the country, as soon as the smell of gunpowder pulls in the air ...
        It will not be a blissful Belarusian revolution with flowers in hand, wearing white clothes and taking off your shoes to climb onto a public bench and wave a white and red flag from there with a joyful smile.
        It will be a slaughter with faces twisted with hatred, when some poor people, driven to despair by the hopelessness and uselessness of their existence, will kill, rob and rape other such poor people in the smoke and fumes of burning administrative buildings and private cars. Something like that, except perhaps without murders, I already saw in 2008. Then swindlers went to the apartments: "Open, you need to, on such and such a question. Open the door, open the same!" Some old people opened ...
        But then there was still hope.

        I'm interested in something else.
        The Ministry of Defense demands: give people to guard the territory and borders! Laughing cynically, our raw capitalism, with poorly planned primary processing of capitalism, encouraged by the reverse excise tax, answers: but we do not need people, specialists and cheap labor. And if you, the Ministry of Education, need people, then you are wearing those who "on the left is hay, on the right is straw," you, the Ministry of Education, are still literate, you know how in the tsarist army a village conscript was trained, where is the right where is left. No, the Ministry of Education objects, I have tanks, planes, missiles ...
        That's how they argue.

        And the people, who in recent years have mastered the rules of politeness, still give birth to children who have no life prospects based on the results of schooling: straw is on the right, and hay is on the left. She gives birth and wonders why the children are completely disobedient, violent, why they are completely scattered attention syndrome, and although they also try to follow the rules of good behavior during the day, looking at adults, but this is more like a stance of a cub hiding in front of a nightly, fatal throw for the victim.
        Children, they understand everything. With the sensitive soul of a child, they understand more than adults. After all, they still live by habit of hope. For new generations, hope is not formed from birth. The children of the poor simply know that the state does not need them. Teachers are just an aggravating background for their existence. In understanding this, children agree with the state. How will they get along? Not in your thoughts, but on the street?
        1. Lannan Shi
          Lannan Shi 6 October 2020 12: 48
          11
          Quote: depressant
          And the people, who have learned the rules of politeness in recent years, still bear children.

          Yes, she does not give birth anymore. The decline, compared to 2014, is almost a third. In 2022, we will break the anti-record set in 2000. By 2035, according to the pessimistic version of the demographic forecast of Rosstat, and the situation that year is developing strictly according to it, the population of Russia will decrease by 8-9%. So ... It's okay, everything is according to plan. There will be no one to go out into the streets. yes
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 6 October 2020 13: 28
            -12 qualifying.
            "Yes, it does not give birth. The decline, compared to 2014, is almost a third. In 2022, we will break the anti-record set in 2000. By 2035, according to the pessimistic version of the Rosstat demographic forecast, and the situation for which year is developing strictly according to it, the population of Russia will decrease by 8-9%. So ... Everything is fine, everything is according to plan. There will be no one to go out into the streets. " Since the 90s, they write such a thing every year - and the population of Russia is not decreasing in spite of all these forecasts, however, like all the others, they do not come true - because they are simply sucked from the finger.
            1. Aag
              Aag 7 October 2020 07: 50
              +3
              "and the population of Russia is not decreasing in spite of all these forecasts, however, like all the others do not come true ..."
              ... Only it does not decrease at the expense of migrants who can hardly speak Russian, but with Russian passports.
        2. Vadim237
          Vadim237 6 October 2020 13: 22
          -11 qualifying.
          This is how the whole world lives - and continues to live for decades and it is not necessary to comb everyone with one comb, and if your life is hopeless, this does not mean that it is hopeless for everyone.
          1. depressant
            depressant 6 October 2020 13: 50
            10
            Vadim, I know that due to circumstances unknown to me, your life has developed in a good perspective. But at the same time, you are virtual for me, and I cannot say with certainty whether you exist at all. But quite real people live around me. And, having no spare foreign airfields, they strengthen those on which life has landed all of us together. Namely: to the pitiful apartments of the Khrushchevs. And all together, according to the experienced practice and the experience gained on its basis, they amicably put anti-vandal doors instead of old shabby doors.
            I was surprised: there is, then, denyushka! Not everything is so bad. I talked to a neighbor upstairs. With the one who has a dog and who is self-employed. Like, the income is big, once you put a door in a rented apartment for 70 thousand? And she told me: the door on account of payment for the apartment, and took the money on credit. She provided information on income, although they were small, they did. And all the neighbors at the door took a loan.

            And it seemed to me that people reason like this: it is better to stay alive, if anything, and then God willing, we will pay off, either with money, if possible, or with things, but the bank will not remove the used door. And if "if something" suddenly comes, then maybe the bank will not remain?
            Hmmm ...
            And if "if that" does not take place? And the loan was taken on the security of housing?

            Vadim, you are terribly far from us, and we are from you.
        3. Knell wardenheart
          Knell wardenheart 7 October 2020 14: 31
          +2
          I have no doubt that in case of "if you get along" already prepared / and are preparing very effective means. After all, it is always more convenient to prepare for such things than for innovative development ..
  • Petrograd
    Petrograd 7 October 2020 09: 53
    +1
    Our president and the government is rather a very expensive, useless one, and besides, they are also ready to help the covid vaccine, but they are willing to help their citizens with the help of a vaccine against covid, and not small businesses make money on death.
  • DPN
    DPN 7 October 2020 21: 38
    0
    He has been doing it since 2000.
  • Doccor18
    Doccor18 6 October 2020 08: 35
    +4
    Thanks to Roman for the shouting article ..
    A bleeding topic that concerns everyone.
    Teachers are the same proletariat as workers and peasants ...

    Herein lies the mistake of equating the most educated intelligentsia (doctors, teachers, scientists, engineers, etc.) with the proletariat. They were equated for a long time, in rights, wages and so on. By the way, since Khrushchev's times, a machine operator at a factory, with 7 classes of education, received two or three times more than a surgeon or an associate professor at a research institute ... But honor and respect remained, sincere ...
    And now the capitalists have taken that too. After all, "you can only respect the rich" - the laws of capitalism in action ...
    A dumb dead end for the lower caste of Russia ...

    This phrase is the whole raison d'être of the country in the last 20 years. Division into castes. The caste of masters - 5%, the caste of managers (overseers) - 10% and 85% of dumb slave-like creatures. Here it is - the future image, towards which we are slowly but very confidently moving ...
  • Megatron
    Megatron 6 October 2020 16: 25
    +1
    We have the same people in power. Half from 91 and the other from 2001.
  • martin-159
    martin-159 6 October 2020 05: 34
    14
    Neither add nor diminish.
    1. Mikhail Tynda
      Mikhail Tynda 6 October 2020 06: 32
      10
      I can add.
      1. samarin1969
        samarin1969 6 October 2020 06: 40
        +8
        30471 ... even "dirty" - funny. laughing
        In reality, 5-6 thousand less + personal income tax, trade union. Those who have a "bare rate" - there are just "crumbs".
      2. Mikhail Tynda
        Mikhail Tynda 6 October 2020 07: 18
        10
        What is the minus for? For statistics ?! Forgot to add: VYFSEVRETI!
        1. Pike
          Pike 6 October 2020 07: 42
          14
          Average, average salary! On average, all teachers at school eat stuffed cabbage rolls. Statistics are like that. At the expense of director's salaries. (Not minus)
        2. 210ox
          210ox 6 October 2020 10: 05
          16
          Do not stop the gagging pseudo-patriots from beating their foreheads against the icon
          1. stalkerwalker
            stalkerwalker 6 October 2020 10: 33
            -18 qualifying.
            Quote: 210ox
            Do not stop the gagging pseudo-patriots from beating their foreheads against the icon

            What day is today?
            Or did the infection from Bishkek affect the author?
            But how pretentious! He stood up for the teachers and remembered the Ost plan. Zelensky bites his elbows with his "Galicia" ...
            wassat
        3. Karabin
          Karabin 6 October 2020 16: 17
          +8
          Quote: Mikhail Tynda
          What is the minus for? For statistics ?!

          Mikhail, are you a school teacher or college teacher? Hardly. Otherwise, you would know how the average salary is obtained. By the way, in the list you have given, it is "dirty".
          1. Mikhail Tynda
            Mikhail Tynda 6 October 2020 16: 32
            0
            I am not a teacher, not a teacher. But, in spite of my ignorance and greed, I know that everywhere, even on job search sites, the salary is indicated BEFORE taxes and deductions are paid. Does this surprise you? And yet yes. I know how the average salary is calculated. And you don't have to be a college teacher or a school teacher to do that. Is this science available only to them?
      3. aglet
        aglet 6 October 2020 09: 21
        +1
        is this Rosstat data?
  • samarin1969
    samarin1969 6 October 2020 05: 42
    38
    I am ready, as a teacher, to subscribe to every word of Roman! Nothing is exaggerated!

    But this is the biggest problem ...
    "... A student can really send a teacher, he can refuse to complete an assignment - he won't get anything for it. You can't put two marks, you can't leave for the second year, now everyone without exception will receive a certificate. And if we add inclusive education, when mentally disabled students are sitting in class together with normal children and do what they want not because they want to disrupt the lesson, but simply because they are inferior ... "

    Everything else, even salary, is a rather relative problem. You can live ... But the "inevitable certificates" and the lawlessness of HVZshnikov simply destroyed education !!! ... Some children still teach something in this mess. But the "swamp" is vindictive, every day it tries to "trim" them so that they are "like everyone else." The teachers are quite ingenious, at the expense of their own health and their money, they are trying to fight all the troubles that are listed in the "Gospel of Roman". But I would like not to "fight", but to teach children. bully soldier
    1. Pessimist22
      Pessimist22 6 October 2020 05: 51
      25
      And why do the capitalists and the ruling class need many smart and educated people? They will know a lot, know the essence of things and will pose a threat to them and their heirs, primary education, a small outlook, enough for the service personnel.
      1. your1970
        your1970 6 October 2020 07: 44
        -17 qualifying.
        Quote: Pessimist22
        And why do the capitalists and the ruling class need many smart and educated people?

        And why did the USSR and the then ruling class "Glory to the KPSS" need smart, if then teachers were paid 90 rubles ???? From what then they said, "You won't study, you will go to the pedagogue !!!" ... Not yesterday, today, when everyone knows income, but then???? it those teachers
        90-ruble raised our current leaders ...
        Now they will say, "Yes, for those 90 you could live happily then!" ... You can - only in then In films about teachers, they pressed on ideology, while in the rest they spoke directly about scanty salaries, hard work and heavy bags with the general message, "Do you want to walk like a teacher in one dress all your life and carry notebooks?"
        We have a school director, an honored teacher, an order bearer from the war with all the additional payment received 152 rubles ...
        Which of the men was in school? An NVP with a military pension and a trudovik (who was no longer taken to ordinary organizations), that's all ...
        And when only women work in the organization even now, even then, this is an iron sign poverty such an office. Libraries, clubs, schools - were there many men there?

        Z. Y. The author writes with one hand about "took away flowers / gifts" - with the other about the fact that teachers are collecting money. .. Here or this or that, it doesn't happen together ...
        And yes, the Internet very quickly stops extortion - moms write videos and throw everything online almost online from meetings ... Once our parents hinted at a class anniversary - so the school principal the next day she personally called everyone about and warned them - don't let God will dismiss the teacher immediately
        1. Malyuta
          Malyuta 6 October 2020 08: 40
          22
          Quote: your1970
          And why did the USSR and the then ruling class "Glory to the KPSS" need smart, if even then the teachers were paid 90 rubles ????

          I am very sorry colleague, but you are misleading the audience!
          My wife got a job as a teacher (teacher of literature) received a salary of 120 rubles !!!
          1. your1970
            your1970 6 October 2020 11: 52
            -9
            Perhaps your wife worked in a rural school or in the north, where there were additional payments. Perhaps the end of the 80s - when they got a little more ...
            But in the 70s the salary of the teacher was penniless - this is reflected in anecdotes, books, films, feuilletons many times ...
            You just didn't pay attention to them then....
            In any case, I have given the salary of the headmaster of the school - my father's uncle.

            Z. Y.
            The "Golden Age" happened to him in 1984 - at the same time they graduated from the 8th entrance and moved to our school 2 boobies - the son of the chairman of the richest collective farm and the director of the district ...
            For a lamb written off as substandard on a collective farm for 7 rubles, potatoes - 1,7 rubles for 20 bags, a car six months later (although he had been in the queue for three years in a preferential way, but the queue was far away) and he wanted a postcard for it ( that's a miracle belay !!!!) and came, a crepe de chine suit and other delights of the Soviet trade, including instant coffee and tea with an elephant ...
            1. 72jora72
              72jora72 7 October 2020 00: 35
              +1
              Perhaps your wife worked in a rural school or in the north, where there were additional payments.
              In the North they received 350-600 ........
              1. your1970
                your1970 7 October 2020 06: 37
                -4
                Quote: 72jora72
                Perhaps your wife worked in a rural school or in the north, where there were additional payments.
                In the North they received 350-600 ........

                And where did they go in the 70s then ??? What did you spend on ??? A person in 10 years with such a salary should have had a stash of 300-400 thousand ... it was technically impossible to spend in the USSR, there was nothing ...
                1. Mordvin 3
                  Mordvin 3 7 October 2020 06: 54
                  +2
                  Quote: your1970
                  A person in 10 years with such a salary should have had a stash of 300-400 thousand.

                  Do not drive. Wasted them. I remember my uncle came from the north, and grit * "What do you buy, a moped, or a Zaporozhets?"
                  1. your1970
                    your1970 7 October 2020 07: 43
                    0
                    What is a moped, and even a Zaporozhets against the background of a salary of 600 rubles with an average spending of 200 maximum? A pitiful penny could be spent ...
                    cooperative 3 room my aunt for 3 years of work on Sakhalin as a doctor in center Saratov built
                    Well, the Volga with an overpayment of 20, a Japanese radio tape recorder for 000, what else is there?
                    There was nothing to spend too much ...
                    1. Mordvin 3
                      Mordvin 3 7 October 2020 07: 57
                      +3
                      Quote: your1970
                      There was nothing to spend too much ...

                      It was very much even. At the end of the Union, Dad got an apartment for 80 square meters, so they furnished everything with Soviet. 8 chandeliers, foam, etc. Comp "Spectrum", mafons "Sirius", "Lighthouse", TV sets "Horizon", "Youth" ... Everything was ours. The backlight on the switch still works for me. She is about thirty years old already.
                      1. your1970
                        your1970 7 October 2020 09: 45
                        -1
                        All of the above, together with you, even taking into account the overpayment and cronyism, pulls a maximum of 3-5 thousand ... Maximum ...
                        With fixed prices for products (3rd belt) for a penny that differed from the base, this is a waste of 1 year of the North ...
                      2. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 7 October 2020 09: 52
                        0
                        Quote: your1970
                        pulls a maximum of 3-5 thousand ... Maximum ...

                        Figurines. One wall was worth two hundred thousand. In total, twenty thousand were killed. Moreover, Dad got drunk, he gave his entire salary to the cops so that they wouldn't send paper to the plant.
                      3. your1970
                        your1970 8 October 2020 12: 53
                        +1
                        Quote: Mordvin 3
                        One wall was worth two hundred thousand.

                        I don’t know for the Yugoslavian - our Soviet usual - 192 rubles cost + 25 for loading, delivery and lifting to the floor
                        Horizon 600 with a penny was worth it - they carried it with a warranty case every month for repairs
                        I don’t remember these tape recorders, but I bought the "radio equipment" together with their amplifiers and Veg speakers in Pyatigorsk for 400 rubles in the store - they weren't in Moscow, but they lay there ..
                        Cut the figure in half at least - otherwise I will "Put the whole Ikarus !!" (C) anecdote
                      4. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 8 October 2020 13: 32
                        0
                        [quote = svoy1970] Horizon 600 with a penny was worth - dragged it with a case under warranty every month for repairs [/ quote]
                        It is very interesting, personally, our Horizon, bought in the 84th or 85th year, broke down 9 times in 10 or 2 years, and then they gave it to his uncle, I don’t know how much he worked.
                        [quote = your1970]
                        [quote = my1970] These tape recorders do not remember the price, but I bought "radio engineering" together with their amplifiers and Veg columns in Pyatigorsk for 400 rubles in a store - they are not in Moscow [/ quote]
                        Three hundred and something Sirius, bought in 90th, for 20 years never broke down, threw it out out of stupidity 10 years ago, which I later regretted. Voronezh electronics, that yes, broke down about once a year, but he plowed for me almost round the clock, in six years he changed three heads and two sets of belts. And the wall cost 1200, ours, Don, in the second half of the 80s. It cannot cost 192. I will believe in 1920 rubles. And the Yugoslavian 4 thousand cost. Why do I remember the prices? They gave me an apartment, I had to collect almost all the furniture.
                      5. your1970
                        your1970 8 October 2020 15: 03
                        0


                        The first Soviet furniture that came across cupboard 80 rubles, mezzanine for it 40..

                        furniture in the USSR could not cost more than 1000, in principle it could not, otherwise 3/4 of the country would live without tables, wardrobes and chairs (those who received 90-120)

                        The folding sofa cost 69 rubles ...
                      6. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 8 October 2020 15: 50
                        -1
                        Quote: your1970
                        furniture in the USSR could not cost more than 1000

                        I could very well. For example, our wall consisted of six wardrobes and six mezzanines. Mother was chatting with her aunt now; in the late 70s they bought for 900, but they have it less than one and a half times, although it looks more beautiful. Yes, an ordinary wall lamp on a malachite base was worth it for 200 rubles, he saw the price himself - it was a bogeyman. This is in the 81st year. And you say - it can't be ... And one activist offered us the Yugoslav wall. Like she gave us a wall for 4 thousand, and a kopeck piece apartment in Khrushchev, and we gave her a warrant for a four-bedroom apartment with an improved layout. They sent her to hell.
                      7. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 8 October 2020 15: 56
                        0
                        Quote: your1970
                        in principle, it could not, otherwise 3/4 of the country would live without tables, wardrobes and chairs (

                        The table - a book of only thirty like it cost.
                      8. your1970
                        your1970 8 October 2020 17: 54
                        0
                        Quote: mordvin xnumx
                        Quote: your1970
                        in principle, it could not, otherwise 3/4 of the country would live without tables, wardrobes and chairs (

                        The table is a book of everything thirtieth like worth it.
                        - well, what am I talking about ?????????? I even added labels from furniture to you
                        Furniture prices danced from income the bulk of the population.And this 120 rubles Engineer, doctor, teacher, bureaucrat, kindergarten teacher and so on - and no northerners, miners, sailors, etc. They were - but there were 25 percent of them, no more
                        The most anecdotal is that practically the same professions as then - they earn normally today

                        and you repeat - "1200,1200 ....". Per such money bought furniture and unconfirmed income - OBKhSS would have drawn you quickly
                      9. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 8 October 2020 20: 23
                        0
                        Quote: your1970
                        Furniture prices danced from the incomes of the bulk of the population, and this is a 120-ruble engineer, a doctor, a teacher, a bureaucrat, a kindergarten teacher, and so on - and no northerners, miners, sailors, etc.

                        In the second half of the 80s, my father-locksmith received from three hundred to four hundred, when he ran around state farms as a tractor-combine operator. It is quite central Russia. Mother-cashier - those same 120. They saved up, yes. Today I asked if she took a loan on this very wall of 500 rubles, or whatever it was called there before. The rest was. For seven years we saved and collected all the furniture. They worked in the gardens like dads Carlo. Nothing, somehow they endured. In addition, the prices for a communal apartment were simply ridiculous, no more than 15 rubles for a one-room apartment for four. With all payments for electricity, etc. It’s now figs that you’ll save up, I don’t see a piggy bank for a hundred years, which almost every child had.

                        Quote: your1970
                        and you repeat - "1200,1200 ....". For that kind of money, bought furniture and unconfirmed income - OBKhSS would have drawn you quickly

                        I really don't know how to prove it to you. The walls, they were different. Both in terms of configuration and length. And three meters, and five. In, directly Zhvanetsky parodied with his crayfish. wink In, specially measured, 4 meters, 60 centimeters our length. And my grandmother in general almost reached the ceiling in height, a gap of twenty centimeters only remained. I disassembled her furniture, a soft corner "Lilac" of the 70s (a sofa, two armchairs, a table and a floor lamp) cost 420 rubles like. But there is also a small range of prices by belts. And my grandmother worked as a cleaner all her life.
  • 72jora72
    72jora72 8 October 2020 12: 39
    +1
    Quote: 72jora72
    Perhaps your wife worked in a rural school or in the north, where there were additional payments.
    In the North they received 350-600 ........

    And where did they go in the 70s then ??? What did you spend on ??? A person in 10 years with such a salary should have had a stash of 300-400 thousand ... it was technically impossible to spend in the USSR, there was nothing ...
    My father, he worked as a driver on winter roads, received 950 rubles in his hands.
  • Mordvin 3
    Mordvin 3 6 October 2020 09: 46
    +8
    Quote: your1970
    trudovik (who was no longer taken to ordinary organizations)

    Don't. Our trudovik was quite pleased with his salary, and even threatened to go to the janitors when he threw hammers at us.
    1. Van 16
      Van 16 6 October 2020 14: 11
      +5
      And our trudovik also led a motorcycle club, he was a good man.
    2. Malyuta
      Malyuta 6 October 2020 18: 22
      +3
      Quote: Mordvin 3
      and even threatened to go to the janitors when he threw hammers at us.

      Strange, but our Trudovik also threw mallets at us belay laughing
      1. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 7 October 2020 19: 45
        +2
        Quote: Malyuta
        Strange, but our Trudovik also threw mallets at us

        What horrors. Our trudovik, when we were too borzeli, simply took a steel pipe and beat it with all his might along the edge of a long common workbench. The suggestion lasted until the end of the lesson. smile
        But when one claw hand decided to work on a drilling machine, without fixing the workpiece (he decided to hold it with his hand, with his hand (!)), The Trudovik teleported ten meters in a second and cut off the machine before.
  • Hagen
    Hagen 6 October 2020 07: 36
    -16 qualifying.
    Quote: samarin1969
    You can't put two marks, you can't leave for the second year, now everyone, without exception, will receive a certificate.

    Why? How are such prohibitions established? Or maybe it’s such a practice that it’s easier to put a C and by the ears hold on to the idiot until the 9th grade certificate. And this policy is continued not by federal legislation, but by the same teachers who have become directors of schools and education departments of the constituent entities. OVZshniki, of course, are not a simple contingent. But there are not only those lagging behind in mental development. You propose to disperse them to their homes, to the Khrushchev buildings without an elevator to the 5th floor. So that they do not injure our psyche in their wheelchairs on the street? They are. What to do with them? Isolate them from us so they run wild? That's why you have scientific and practical conferences held in order to solve this not a simple problem. In the end, and here you will not argue with Medvedev, each person chooses his profession himself, voluntarily. Teachers are not sentenced to the profession. You feel that carrying this cross is already completely unbearable, change your profession. As long as there are people willing to "plow" for 12 rubles in the conditions described by you, there will be such offers and jobs. And the author, as always in his repertoire. But he's immune, he's beyond criticism laughing
    1. parma
      parma 6 October 2020 08: 37
      21
      Quote: Hagen
      Quote: samarin1969
      You can't put two marks, you can't leave for the second year, now everyone, without exception, will receive a certificate.

      Why? How are such prohibitions established? Or maybe it’s such a practice that it’s easier to put a C and by the ears hold on to the idiot until the 9th grade certificate. And this policy is continued not by federal legislation, but by the same teachers who have become directors of schools and education departments of the constituent entities. OVZshniki, of course, are not a simple contingent. But there are not only those lagging behind in mental development. You propose to disperse them to their homes, to the Khrushchev buildings without an elevator to the 5th floor. So that they do not injure our psyche in their wheelchairs on the street? They are. What to do with them? Isolate them from us so they run wild? That's why you have scientific and practical conferences held in order to solve this not a simple problem. In the end, and here you will not argue with Medvedev, each person chooses his profession himself, voluntarily. Teachers are not sentenced to the profession. You feel that carrying this cross is already completely unbearable, change your profession. As long as there are people willing to "plow" for 12 rubles in the conditions described by you, there will be such offers and jobs. And the author, as always in his repertoire. But he's immune, he's beyond criticism laughing

      Again the kremlebots have crawled out ... and more stupidly than before - the braces themselves (presidential decrees) are staggering ... it doesn't matter that the author criticizes the NON-FULFILLMENT and not the decree itself, the main thing is criticizing ..
      Now I will answer point by point as the son of a modern teacher:
      -why do not give two, do not leave for the second year, etc.? And because the district department of education give good statistics, maybe you need to report to the city, which reports to the region, which reports to Moscow ... and if suddenly, God forbid, there will be bad statistics, there is a reduction in the bonus, and sometimes the loss of a position in the reverse order ... accordingly, they begin to love the head, in our education now, as elsewhere, the main thing is not the result or the effect, the main thing is statistics ...
      -Regarding the "special children" - in my school years (15 years ago) there were special educational institutions for them, where these children studied I do not injure either my psyche or the psyche of ordinary children, but these two different school worlds have already met in universities (although and rarely need to say), because the children of creation are very aggressive and evil .. IMHO, probably not the most correct opinion in my opinion, but I believe that a person should be of benefit to society (apparently the Soviet era's worldview perverted by the 90s) and if the resources for creating working conditions for "special people" are spent more than the benefits are obtained from them, then such members of society are harmful to society ...
      PS: our education system works in the same way as any sphere of the country's life, the main thing is beautiful statistics, so that the inhabitants of heaven continue to live in their dreams of a wonderful government ... do you need a fairy tale about victory over world terrorism? Keep three at once and fight on. Do you need economic growth? Keep negative growth .. need an election victory? Keep 146% of thunders FOR .. need low inflation? Keep 4%, but even in the state directory of estimates the growth will be at least 12% per year .. do you need housing for people? Keep 32 storey buildings with 20 apartments per floor with an area of ​​18 squares ... there are statistics, no results ...
      1. Hagen
        Hagen 6 October 2020 10: 34
        -19 qualifying.
        Quote: parma
        Now I will answer point by point as the son of a modern teacher:

        That is, they themselves do not know, you know everything from hearsay ...
        Quote: parma
        and if suddenly, God forbid, there will be bad statistics, there is a reduction in the bonus, and sometimes the loss of a position in the reverse order ...

        "We would be on the horns of the enemy, only the skin is expensive ..." Well, sip a full cup, if you're afraid.
        Quote: parma
        but I believe that a person should be of benefit to society (apparently the Soviet era worldview perverted by the 90s), and if more resources are spent on creating working conditions for “special people” than they benefit from, then such members of society are harmful to society .. ...

        You haven't finished your thought. Some of your like-minded people go further with camps and gas chambers ... even here you are afraid to finish your thought, without threats of losing your ration ... wassat
        1. parma
          parma 6 October 2020 11: 04
          12
          Quote: Hagen
          That is, they themselves do not know, you know everything from hearsay ...

          But at the same time I know more and better than you ...
          Quote: Hagen
          "We would be on the horns of the enemy, only the skin is expensive ..." Well, sip a full cup, if you're afraid.

          "Nobody asked you to give birth", "you can live on macaroshkas", "do you want it like in Ukraine?" - Do you have any other categories? Although, kremlebots ... uh
          Quote: Hagen
          You haven't finished your thought. Some of your like-minded people go further with camps and gas chambers ... Even here you are afraid to finish your thought, without threats of losing your ration.

          Well, why are you thinking out for me? Nobody calls for gas chambers ... I just say that simplifying the life of a minority at the expense of the majority is wrong ... and no matter what it is about .. if we are talking about physical destruction - there are, for example, operations to terminate a pregnancy, why not do them mandatory for deviations? This is euthanasia .. in the end, a waste of billions to make life easier for "special" people, instead of saving the lives of ordinary ...
          1. Hagen
            Hagen 6 October 2020 11: 50
            -13 qualifying.
            Quote: parma
            Well, why are you thinking out for me?

            Those of whom I spoke earlier also applied your options. And wide enough.
            Quote: parma
            But at the same time I know more and better than you ...

            I do not pretend to be the ultimate truth. Only all knowledge is good when it gives a practical positive result. What can you show? Who was raised? Where did you grow up? What useful things did your knowledge bring to society? "... Therefore, by their fruits you will recognize them ..."
    2. aglet
      aglet 6 October 2020 09: 28
      12
      "You feel that carrying this cross is already completely unbearable, change your profession"
      have you changed many professions in your life? and studied for every 5 years?
      1. Hagen
        Hagen 6 October 2020 10: 29
        -13 qualifying.
        Quote: aglet
        have you changed many professions in your life? and studied for every 5 years?

        Changed 4 times. Full-time education is one plus 500 hour retraining, allowing you to work in the relevant areas. I paid for the retraining myself. But it was worth it.
        1. aglet
          aglet 6 October 2020 14: 07
          +3
          "I changed it 4 times. Full-time education is one plus 500 hour retraining, allowing you to work in the relevant areas."
          judging by the number of dashes, you should soon be 100 years old. Or did you work for three months in each area?
          1. Hagen
            Hagen 6 October 2020 15: 41
            -6
            Quote: aglet
            you should be 100 years old soon

            I am deeply over 50, work experience - 31 years.
    3. aglet
      aglet 6 October 2020 09: 32
      10
      "And the author, as always in his repertoire. But he has immunity, he is beyond criticism"
      and the author does not have to increase the salaries of teachers, he cannot do this with all his will. his job is to highlight the problem, and convey it to you
      1. Hagen
        Hagen 6 October 2020 11: 41
        -10 qualifying.
        Quote: aglet
        and the author does not have to increase the salary of teachers

        I do not demand this from the author.
        Quote: aglet
        his job is to highlight the problem, and convey it to you

        But he must do this truthfully and reasonably. He brings it up in the worst possible way. I saw this problem in a specific place myself and solved it from my parent's side. I solved it productively. Which is what I wish for you. Simply, instead of looking for how bad everything is around and what else to blame the state for, I was looking for ways to solve the problems that had arisen on my own. And I understand what I can and what I need from the state. And "smearing porridge on a plate" is considered a waste of time. And if a person, when choosing a profession, only wants to "nail down grandmothers" without freezing his ears and without spending nervous energy, then he does not cause much pity in me. Teacher's work is hard and not always grateful, but if you have already taken on it, then you should not cry about the "hard lot." And today there are many teachers who themselves are not able to solve their profile exam at an acceptable level. But somehow nobody dares to voice this problem.
        1. aglet
          aglet 6 October 2020 14: 03
          +7
          "I saw this problem in a specific place myself and solved it from my parental side. I solved it productively."
          did you pay teachers' salaries? or expressed their sincere sympathy for their "hard lot"?
          "And today there are many teachers who themselves are not able to solve their profile USE at an acceptable level. But somehow no one dares to voice this problem."
          you have the facts - voice them, bring them to the public. otherwise your words about "many teachers" carry a pronounced connotation of gossip
          1. Hagen
            Hagen 6 October 2020 15: 37
            -8
            Quote: aglet
            did you pay teachers' salaries? or expressed their sincere sympathy for their "hard lot"?

            Neither one nor the other. I took care of my children. So that they perform the tasks of teachers efficiently, do not run away from the lessons and strive to absorb everything that was given to them. In general, he did what a normal father is supposed to do with his children in preparing them for an independent life. I think it turned out quite well.
            Quote: aglet
            you have the facts-

            Based on the facts that I had to resort to external teaching structures, I expressed everything to the teachers after graduation. There is no point in repeating here. You can take our word for it, you can not. But the fact that today there is no chance to pass, for example, the USE in history or social studies to a level possible for admission to a university (95-98) without a tutor, hardly anyone can refute. With a foreign language - the same song.
            1. aglet
              aglet 7 October 2020 09: 05
              +1
              "I told all the teachers after graduation. There is no point in repeating here."
              in short, there are no facts, there is only an expanded stream of consciousness.
              1. Hagen
                Hagen 7 October 2020 16: 05
                -1
                Quote: aglet
                in short, there are no facts

                Not that your grade matters to me. Just for charitable purposes, I want to share with you my thoughts on this matter.
                Your formulation of the question, to put it mildly, is not very sensible. Because:
                1. Uploading other people's personal data to the network without the consent of their carrier, no matter how I treat them, is a sign of bad taste;
                2. without this, any information requested by you has no signs of reliability, since cannot be verified;
                Hence the conclusion: it is not smart to ask such questions. But if you are interested in the very essence of the question, then you will comprehend it yourself from your own experience, when you bring your child to the final exams and desire his admission to the "budget" in some worthwhile university. Good luck ...
                1. aglet
                  aglet 7 October 2020 17: 30
                  -1
                  "Just for charitable purposes, I want to share with you my thoughts on this matter."
                  me your charity - on stripes. there are no facts, there is only gossip, and I didn’t ask you for anything, you’re blowing your cheeks here, I’m solving questions with the teachers, but in fact it turned out that after release, you said something to someone. Was it stupid during training?
                  "Hence the conclusion: it is not smart to ask such questions."
                  don't put yourself in a position to be asked such questions.
                  my children have long since graduated from schools and universities. without tutors, but with two medals and one honors. and work in decent companies, they themselves came from the street. I didn’t help
                  1. Hagen
                    Hagen 8 October 2020 10: 19
                    -1
                    Quote: aglet
                    and I didn’t ask you for anything, you’re puffing out your cheeks

                    but this?
                    ... you have the facts - voice them, bring them to the public ...

                    Who is to blame for you that you do not remember what you write?
                    Quote: aglet
                    my children have long since graduated from schools and universities. without tutors

                    Did you personally take part in this?
                    1. aglet
                      aglet 8 October 2020 10: 23
                      +1
                      "Did you personally take part in this?"
                      naturally, by educating their children, making them active people who know how to learn and work, including by personal example
                    2. aglet
                      aglet 8 October 2020 10: 25
                      0
                      "Who is to blame for you that you do not remember what you write?"
                      so you stated at first that you personally solve all the problems in modern education
                    3. aglet
                      aglet 8 October 2020 10: 30
                      0
                      "but this?
                      ... you have the facts, voice them, bring them to the public ... "
                      This is just an attempt to verify your information, it turned out, not information, ordinary gossip, therefore, it is of absolutely no interest to me. and in light of this, all your comments have the same value. For me at least .
                    4. Hagen
                      Hagen 8 October 2020 14: 11
                      0
                      Quote: aglet
                      this is just an attempt to verify your information,

                      Your attempt to change shoes in the air is not credited. The checker of you is also not very good. I told you about this - nothing can be checked on the Internet until there is an identification system. Do you want to play with the investigator? To your health. Your assessment does not touch me. I also have no reason to believe you at your word, who you brought up there and with what quality. Despite the fact that your manner of distorting, such as "you first stated that you personally solve all the problems in modern education," shows that it is you who give rise to gossip, attributing to me what I did not claim. Is not it so? I do not ask for an answer .... As an interlocutor, you are not interesting to me.
                    5. aglet
                      aglet 9 October 2020 08: 37
                      0
                      "Your assessment does not touch me. I also have no reason to believe your word about who you brought up there and with what quality. As an interlocutor, you are not interesting to me."
                      like
  • Dim2017
    Dim2017 6 October 2020 05: 51
    18
    Excellent article!
  • Ragnar Lodbrok
    Ragnar Lodbrok 6 October 2020 05: 52
    18
    The teacher, who was once the blacksmith of the future, has been relegated to the rank of "providing educational services." For a beggarly salary.

    The author is right - why teach and educate now, enough
    be able to put a squiggle under the loan agreement and nothing more
  • Van 16
    Van 16 6 October 2020 05: 52
    13
    "But then Comrade Stalin understood who was responsible for a bright tomorrow."
    Those who are at the helm of the state today very often confuse their personal "bright tomorrow" with the "bright tomorrow" of the country. This is where everything comes from.
    1. Pessimist22
      Pessimist22 6 October 2020 05: 57
      -11 qualifying.
      I understood why I cleaned out the ideological ones and put sycophants around myself, who betrayed him, like the ideas of communism?
      1. Van 16
        Van 16 6 October 2020 06: 15
        11
        It seems to me that any situation, any decision should be considered in the context of time. That time . It was necessary to restore and move the country further, business executives were needed, and the ideological ones were thinking about the world revolution, then about something else. Something like this, in short, but I'm not a historian, personal opinion.
        1. depressant
          depressant 6 October 2020 10: 49
          12
          I would add: no one is able to look ideological to such an extent as an executive without ideas. Stalin was a master who, in the context of the time, needed executives in order to build a country that would confidently turn into an ideological one in the future. He laid just such a structure, but simply did not have time. Those able to finish building the structure were killed in the war. This is the greatest tragedy of our people.
          1. kalibr
            kalibr 6 October 2020 12: 12
            +8
            Quote: depressant
            I would add: no one is able to look ideological to such an extent as an executive without ideas.

            Wonderful words!
    2. mihail_mihail0620
      mihail_mihail0620 6 October 2020 06: 49
      -5
      Quote: Van 16
      But then Comrade Stalin understood who was responsible for a bright tomorrow

      Stalin introduced tuition fees for senior high school and university students in 1940, and this continued until 1956.
      1. Ptolemy Lag
        Ptolemy Lag 6 October 2020 07: 30
        +3
        "Stalin introduced tuition fees for high school and university students in 1940, and this continued until 1956." A Vile LIE!
        1. mihail_mihail0620
          mihail_mihail0620 6 October 2020 07: 33
          -4
          Quote: Ptolemy Lag
          "NEFUL LIE!

          Will it be true if you write during the reign of Stalin?
          1. Ptolemy Lag
            Ptolemy Lag 6 October 2020 07: 36
            -1
            "Is it true if you write during Stalin's rule?"
            During the reign of P ... a ...
      2. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx 6 October 2020 07: 55
        12
        Quote: mihail_mihail0620
        Stalin introduced tuition fees for senior high school and university students in 1940, and this continued until 1956.


        Indeed, 7th grade education was free, but why was it done? Yes, the country needed working hands ... BUT !!! With all the value of the fee at that time, the prices were:

        And this introduction - a forced measure - was justified in the following years.
        And how many academics, scientists, designers have been trained? Now the whole VSA cannot learn a single sensible economist ...
        1. Mikhail Tynda
          Mikhail Tynda 6 October 2020 11: 27
          0
          In the regions, this fee was in most cities and villages - 150 rubles a year for schools and technical schools and 300 rubles for universities. Studying in educational institutions in Moscow and Leningrad cost 200 rubles a year. For universities, respectively, 300 and 400 rubles per year. This amount roughly corresponded to the average monthly salary of the then engineer or employee. The workers earned a little more, however, this was the entire 70 years of Soviet power, when physical rather than mental labor was valued and paid higher.
          1. Ross xnumx
            Ross xnumx 6 October 2020 16: 14
            +2
            Quote: Mikhail Tynda
            The workers earned a little more, however, this was the entire 70 years of Soviet power, when physical rather than mental labor was valued and paid higher.

            Don't throw dirt on Soviet power. The salaries of teachers, leading engineers, and highly skilled workers were very high. then they paid money for being in demand, and not for having family ties. One could enlist in the North and, having worked for 15-20 years, quietly buy a house or a cooperative in the South.
            What specialists have high earnings today?
            And during the years of Soviet power, not physical, but creative work was valued.
            1. Mikhail Tynda
              Mikhail Tynda 6 October 2020 16: 27
              +2
              Which ones? Different. Let's define what a high salary is. Someone has a little pearl, and someone has black bread). This is the first thing. Second. What do you think physical labor is not creative? Third. I don’t throw dirt into Soviet power. But the fact that a skilled worker received more than an average engineer, you do not deny? And don't tell me about the North.
              1. Ross xnumx
                Ross xnumx 6 October 2020 19: 14
                -2
                Quote: Mikhail Tynda
                What do you think physical labor is not creative?

                You know, the physical labor of a morgue orderly, a janitor, a locksmith, a gold-tipper and many others others do not dare to call creative ... I will not argue with you. Stay with your opinion. You are not my age, so that I crucify before you.
                Quote: Mikhail Tynda
                And don't tell me about the North.

                How much did Polar players earn in the North? I had 8 ...
                hi
            2. 72jora72
              72jora72 7 October 2020 00: 39
              0
              You could enlist in the North and, after working 15-20 years,
              It took 5-7 years.
        2. Vadim237
          Vadim237 6 October 2020 13: 36
          -1
          Let’s not write anything about intelligent economists - because you yourself are not an intelligent economist, only practice can do the HSE, and only theoreticians can do the HSE.
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      3. Aag
        Aag 7 October 2020 08: 23
        0
        Quote: mihail_mihail0620
        Quote: Van 16
        But then Comrade Stalin understood who was responsible for a bright tomorrow

        Stalin introduced tuition fees for senior high school and university students in 1940, and this continued until 1956.

        Those who minus you out of ignorance could correct the misunderstanding ...
    3. Hagen
      Hagen 6 October 2020 08: 09
      -7
      Quote: Van 16
      But then Comrade Stalin understood who was responsible for a bright tomorrow

      And today, those who give birth do not understand who is lying on? Maybe not only the state is obliged, but also the parents should do something with their children?
  • fa2998
    fa2998 6 October 2020 05: 57
    +6
    12 thousand is what's the problem? In this country, everyone thinks AVERAGE. By country, by industry. Thrown off the salaries of ministers, city officials and others, and got a wonderful result. hi
    1. Mikhail Tynda
      Mikhail Tynda 6 October 2020 11: 29
      +1
      The employees of GORONO are not teachers or teachers, but employees. Accordingly, they are not included in the calculation.
  • Avior
    Avior 6 October 2020 06: 09
    10
    Here they are, the main corrupt officials

    1. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 6 October 2020 06: 39
      -4
      Both those and these radishes.
  • fif21
    fif21 6 October 2020 06: 10
    +6
    It's time to make schools paid (on the advice of Medvedev) Calculate the cost of education for 1 student (a decent salary for a teacher, rent of premises, utilities, maintenance of the premises ....) and issue an invoice. Let the state pay for the poor, and not the poor pay for their children themselves. Business is business, and let them go through the forest with their own ministry of education (slave labor does not fit into a market economy) hi
    1. ANB
      ANB 6 October 2020 07: 31
      10
      ... Let the state pay for the poor, and not the poor pay themselves for their children. Business so business

      The non-poor pay anyway, because their children go to private schools. And they don't care what happens in the state.
      1. fif21
        fif21 6 October 2020 12: 04
        -3
        Quote: ANB
        And they don't care what happens in the state.

        That's what I'm talking about! The teacher should dictate the conditions, not the state represented by the officials of the Ministry of Education. There should not be public schools, all schools should be private (JSC, LLC, IP) hi
        1. ANB
          ANB 6 October 2020 13: 26
          +2
          ... There should be no public schools

          No no. Do you know the rates in private schools? The cheapest distance learning system with enrollment is 5500 per month. Full-time education is more expensive. And in cool schools, the amount is much higher. And where to study for the rest, who do not have so much money?
          Plus, the Ministry of Education still controls private schools too (licenses, accreditation, etc.)
  • Egoza
    Egoza 6 October 2020 06: 11
    +8
    Novel! I subscribe to every word! They do not want to remember that
    The XII Congress of the RCP (b) emphasized in its decisions
    to steadily continue and strengthen the work that is beginning to improve the material situation of teachers,

    Apparently they believe that talent only creates when it is hungry. So we have "gray" teachers and "gray" students.
  • Vadim_888
    Vadim_888 6 October 2020 06: 18
    +6
    Roman's articles are as always on top
    1. Mitroha
      Mitroha 6 October 2020 07: 48
      -11 qualifying.
      And your tongue, as always, is warm
      1. _Sergei_
        _Sergei_ 6 October 2020 10: 51
        -1
        good You are right, well done laughing
  • Bagatur
    Bagatur 6 October 2020 06: 33
    18
    12000 rubles, that's 133 euros. If this is so, you can only keep silent. From 01.01.2021/1260/630, the starting salary of a young student in Bulgaria is XNUMX leva, XNUMX euros.
    1. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 6 October 2020 06: 42
      -16 qualifying.
      So explain to your local comrades that this is due to the flat tax of 10%. And here everyone wants to introduce a progressive tax, so that the brainy and hardworking fled from here in larger numbers and earlier than planned.
      1. Bagatur
        Bagatur 6 October 2020 07: 07
        10
        10% taxes do not matter ... State policy is important. When the average salary is already 700 euros, if the teachers don't pay, you can take anyone for every job, but you won't find teachers! They are the publishers of all the neophytes!
        1. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 6 October 2020 07: 11
          -13 qualifying.
          How do they not? laughing The country is attractive for business, which means more jobs, therefore, you can keep a salary at 700 € per month.
          1. Bagatur
            Bagatur 6 October 2020 07: 20
            +9
            The flat tax has already exhausted itself ... This is essentially a subsidy from the rich. In the EU, only we have this. If there is no justice and law, there is no investment.
            1. Krasnodar
              Krasnodar 6 October 2020 07: 39
              -11 qualifying.
              Without law and justice, it is clear that there is no investment. As for the rich, who provides jobs with an average salary of 50 thousand rubles? laughing
              1. Bagatur
                Bagatur 6 October 2020 09: 54
                +4
                It is necessary and justice! No prosperous country with 10% tax!
                1. Krasnodar
                  Krasnodar 6 October 2020 14: 13
                  -4
                  Well, how is your Maidan? Moving a little bit? ))
          2. Svarog
            Svarog 6 October 2020 09: 32
            12
            Quote: Krasnodar
            How do they not? laughing The country is attractive for business, which means more jobs, therefore, you can keep a salary at 700 € per month.

            Krasnodar, this is a liberal mantra ... We have one of the cheapest labor in the world, in some African countries it is already more expensive, moreover, it is sufficiently qualified .. and where are these jobs? They are not and never will be. In order to have jobs, there must be its own industry and a product that is competitive and in demand in the world .. and a raw material appendage, it will remain so, if you do not change Gauleiters for statesmen. The country has everything for development, but the country is only degrading.
            1. Krasnodar
              Krasnodar 6 October 2020 14: 27
              -7
              1) your industry needs business security - first of all
              2) For a competitive product, a liberalization of the tax system is needed - instead of the employer's percentage tax on social services, it is necessary to make a fixed
              3) You can become an industrial platform of the West, like China, which turned it around by rapprochement with the United States due to the aggravation of relations with the USSR in 1969 and refusal to support North Vietnam with weapons, or you can make an offshore for foreign companies, provided 80% of jobs for Russians
              4) I agree - the country has everything for development. It is only necessary to return to the Soviet school system, raise salaries for teachers, toughen the selection process for pedagogical institutions and imprison university bosses for bribes, after raising their salaries.
              5) The best example for the Russian Federation is Lee Kwang Yu. Reckless incomes of judges - but they are imprisoned, if anything, right away. As well as the rest.
              1. your1970
                your1970 6 October 2020 16: 25
                +2
                Quote: Krasnodar
                The best example for the RF is Lee Kwang Yu.

                No is ... The entire territory of this fighter against corruption is limited to 3 administrative districts of Moscow, both in number and in area ...
                We have an aggressor country on one side today, and tomorrow on the other ...
                But most importantly, no one was able to repeat their experience, no one ...
                1. Krasnodar
                  Krasnodar 6 October 2020 16: 34
                  0
                  Who tried it? Hong Kong under the English protectorate also became a very, very developed territory. The rest followed the liberal-capitalist path. I'm talking about countries where the population lives better than the Russian, searches like China, where a third of pensioners do not actually receive pensions at all, are not indicative.
        2. Vadim237
          Vadim237 6 October 2020 13: 41
          -3
          So in Russia, tens of millions cheat with taxes and some do not pay them at all - one asks where the funds for increasing the salaries of public sector employees can be taken for other expenses.
          1. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar 6 October 2020 14: 28
            -6
            Abolish the employer's interest tax on the employee's social security by making a flat rate. Tax revenues will replenish the budget, because the issue of salary in envelopes will stop.
      2. aglet
        aglet 6 October 2020 09: 39
        +6
        "And here everyone wants to introduce a progressive tax so that the brainy and hardworking fled from here."
        and where are they running? like, only we have a flat tax? and if they are so brainy and hardworking, who prevents them from working and earning at home? the prosecutor's office?
        1. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 6 October 2020 14: 30
          -4
          They run because they can squeeze out the business.
          1. aglet
            aglet 7 October 2020 09: 07
            0
            "They run because they can squeeze the business."
            business can squeeze everywhere
            1. Krasnodar
              Krasnodar 7 October 2020 09: 54
              0
              No way laughing In Israel and Germany, the countries where I lived, this is not practiced. There are no opportunities for communication between individuals and government agencies for the sake of illegal weaning and appropriation of someone else's business. Any decision made by lawlessness is successfully challenged in a heap of instances.
              1. aglet
                aglet 7 October 2020 17: 20
                0
                "In Israel and Germany - the countries where I lived, this is not practiced. There is no possibility of communication between individuals and government agencies for the illegal weaning and appropriation of someone else's business."
                okay, we're not talking about tick-tock
      3. ANB
        ANB 6 October 2020 13: 30
        -2
        ... everyone here wants a progressive tax

        So they introduced him. Over 5 lems a year, please pay 15 percent. And from which one should I pay even more personal income tax, although they keep so much?
    2. Hagen
      Hagen 6 October 2020 16: 05
      -4
      Quote: bagatura
      From 01.01.2021/1260/630, the starting salary of a young student in Bulgaria is XNUMX leva, XNUMX euros.

      But the EU pays it. You live on subsidies from Brussels. It's not for you to brag about the level of your wages. You have lost your entire production.
  • polar fox
    polar fox 6 October 2020 06: 41
    10
    a familiar picture ... I came to the conclusion (after reading textbooks, visiting school, my youngest is in the 2nd grade) it is necessary to study at home and according to old textbooks. there will be more knowledge. or pay the teacher to come and teach (by collecting neighbors and other ) ... my friend "left" school, now she teaches on the Internet. Doesn't want to go to school.
    1. Aag
      Aag 7 October 2020 08: 35
      0
      Quote: polar fox
      a familiar picture ... I came to the conclusion (after reading textbooks, visiting school, my youngest is in the 2nd grade) it is necessary to study at home and according to old textbooks. there will be more knowledge. or pay the teacher to come and teach (by collecting neighbors and other ) ... my friend "left" school, now she teaches on the Internet. Doesn't want to go to school.

      This is how they accustom us to the thought: on our own, all on our own ... - to study, to be treated, to build, to be insured ...
  • parusnik
    parusnik 6 October 2020 06: 45
    +8
    By the way, we had a time in our country when the teacher received the same amount as the doctor and the commander of the Red Army.
    "and the prices were reduced" (c) .... Everything is correct in the article ... Buddy, he teaches, all the vests are in tears. And there is no place to go, even the workers in the warehouse, there salaries are lower than those indicated in the article. What are you wanted county.
    1. Hagen
      Hagen 6 October 2020 08: 21
      -11 qualifying.
      Quote: parusnik
      What do you want, county.

      When I became hungry in the "big" district with my salary there, I changed the district and my profession. I'm not sorry ...
      1. parusnik
        parusnik 6 October 2020 10: 06
        +6
        A friend, generally from the Far East Ussuri district, moved to our district ..
  • Baron pardus
    Baron pardus 6 October 2020 06: 48
    20
    If you want to build a country where her sons and daughters will return, if you want to build a country where they will only leave during the vacation season, if you want to build a country that will not have a sense of fear for the future, then take just two steps:

    1) Equate corruption to treason, and corrupt officials to traitors up to the seventh generation.

    2) Make the three professions the highest paid and respected. These are the military, teachers and doctors.

    And most importantly, work, work, and work, because no one but you will protect you, no one will feed you but yourself, and only you and no one else need your country. When it becomes not just words and a simple slogan, but becomes a way of your life, then you have achieved your goal ...

    Golda Meir
    1. 72jora72
      72jora72 6 October 2020 07: 44
      +2
      Make the three professions the highest paid and most respected. These are the military, teachers and doctors.
      Sorry, but all professions should be respected, and just as well paid.
      1. Baron pardus
        Baron pardus 6 October 2020 17: 18
        +4
        That is, the janitor and the surgeon should receive the same amount? Equalization doesn't work. It has been proven more than once or twice. Everyone needs a profession, but the elite must go to teaching / science, medicine and the army. A doctor needs to be taught for 8 years, then 2 years of practice, and only then he will begin to understand something. Do you want the doctor and Aunt Galya, the cashier in the grocery store, and Uncle Vasya, the janitor, all of them one salary?
        1. stalkerwalker
          stalkerwalker 6 October 2020 17: 37
          +2
          Quote: Baron Pardus
          And you want the doctor and Aunt Galya, the cashier in the grocery store, and Uncle Vasya, the janitor, all of them one salary

          Well ...
          fellow
          There is no need to raise your professional level, you should not achieve success in your career at work - this is not welcomed by homeless people, parasites and marginalized people. But "take away and divide" is yes, this is a class ...
          But many of these "equalizers" were fighting their throats in the late 80s, when practically the whole country was sitting on an "average salary" of 150 rubles a month, plus a bonus, plus the notorious 13th salary. Each of them (probably sincerely?) Believed that he was worthy of a higher salary ...
          But the long-awaited new times have come - capitalism in all its glory. And it turned out that the salary must be earned. And the ability to "dig a hole or not dig" is not in demand in the labor market.
          And which of these poor fellows, losers and lazy people, now admits, at least to himself, that life has failed? Right now ... The bottom of the city knows one rule today - it is necessary to look for the extreme and the guilty. Better in the face of the country's leadership. And there - it will be as it will be ..
          That Ukraine is not an example? There they put the same pots on their heads and jumped. Have fun ...
          1. 72jora72
            72jora72 7 October 2020 00: 47
            +1
            There is no need to raise your professional level, you should not achieve success in your career at work - this is not welcomed by homeless people, parasites and marginalized people. But "take away and divide" - yes, this is a class.
            That is, cleaners, saleswomen, janitors, plumbers and so on, do you consider bums and parasites ??? Yes, you my friend are sick .........
            1. stalkerwalker
              stalkerwalker 7 October 2020 01: 25
              -2
              Quote: 72jora72
              and you my friend are sick.

              Kashpirovsky? Do we make diagnoses at a distance? Are hemorrhoids treated?
              Quote: 72jora72
              That is, cleaners, saleswomen, janitors, plumbers, etc., do you consider homeless and parasites?

              Not enough education to isolate the meaning from the text?
              The son of a carpenter and a laundress?
              1. Nikolai Korovin
                Nikolai Korovin 10 October 2020 23: 33
                0
                My mother is a blacksmith, my father is a laundress, long live the world revolution. Or, for example, dad is a lawyer.
    2. your1970
      your1970 6 October 2020 07: 47
      -8
      Quote: Baron Pardus
      Make the three professions the highest paid and most respected. These are the military, teachers and doctors.

      And eat, pardon-eat what these 3 classes will be? And what about operations and how to fight?
      I thought she was smart, but she was so-so ...
    3. Varyag71
      Varyag71 6 October 2020 08: 00
      +2
      In addition to these professions, there are others, no less important.
      1. your1970
        your1970 6 October 2020 13: 27
        -2
        Quote: your1970
        Quote: Baron Pardus
        Make the three professions the highest paid and most respected. These are the military, teachers and doctors.

        And eat, pardon-eat what these 3 classes will be? And what about operations and how to fight?
        I thought she was smart, but she was so-so ...

        My comment

        Quote: Varyag71
        In addition to these professions, there are others, no less important.

        Someone's Comment ...

        The semantic load is identical, in defense of workers and peasants ...
        Only me "-", and a person 3 + ....

        This is to the question - about a possible discussion of the rapprochement of the population of the Russian Federation on the most pressing issues ... It has always been a matter of five minutes to hang a label - Trotskyist / Stalinist / Utopist / Kremlinbot / Russophobe / left deviator / voluntarist / and so on ...

        And after that, Olegovich or Tatra or Gardamiru are surprised at VO - irreconcilable and stubborn ...
        Yes, no one wants to delve into the opinion of the opponent - it's easier to stick a label and sculpt a minus. And then surprised - someone's country after 100 years (and more !!!) cannot agree on old issues. He cannot agree, because they do not want to talk with the other side, offer any arguments, counter offers ... GENERAL points of contact...
        Generally...
        1. Nikolai Korovin
          Nikolai Korovin 10 October 2020 23: 34
          0
          I ask: minus what for? And get a minus for the question!
  • nnm
    nnm 6 October 2020 06: 54
    11
    An interesting and necessary article and I would like to analyze it in much more detail, but I will focus on one point:
    "And again, the conversation is not about gifts, but about what they turned into a person who, in theory, is responsible for building our future."
    Without the formation of an ideology, without the formation at the state level of an integral concept of the development of the personality of a citizen of his country, a teacher, as has happened now, becomes only a TEACHER, voicing topics from a textbook.
    Like a ship in unfamiliar waters without a pilot. The state is obliged for itself to understand, formulate and use all available methods to implement a whole range of measures to shape a person's personality, including through school.
    And now let's ask ourselves - what image of a citizen, as an ideal, can form our government at the moment? A man of labor, a responsible citizen who thinks and doubts the infallibility of the upper classes or a businessman walking up the corpses at the expense of the country's budget?
    And the point here is not only and not so much in the salary, for we recall that in response to the call for the elimination of illiteracy, students went to the villages without any pay at all, and they went en masse. And in the absence of understanding among the teachers themselves - where and why we are going. And the teacher himself does not have this understanding, then who will he teach this? And no one in the country seems to have an answer to this question.
    And the huge problem is that now the system reproduces these very teachers, but not teachers, and very soon the teacher will also have Thor and Superman as the main character in life, and there will be no one to ask the question about what we teach children.
    Sincerely ...
    1. parusnik
      parusnik 6 October 2020 07: 30
      +4
      Without ideology formation
      ... "Our ideology, patriotism" (c) GDP ... smile
      1. Svarog
        Svarog 6 October 2020 09: 36
        13
        Quote: parusnik
        Without ideology formation
        ... "Our ideology, patriotism" (c) GDP ... smile

        Patriotism - for the people, with the help of patriotism it is easier to rob .. and the church will also tell you that humility and obedience will make life easier ..
        Under capitalism, when some are fattening at the expense of others and rubbing in about patriotism, you need to clearly understand that this is just another instrument of robbery. Patriotism is possible only in a just socially oriented state.
        1. parusnik
          parusnik 6 October 2020 09: 54
          +4
          Simply put, patriotism depends on the exchange rate of foreign currencies. The exchange rate falls, patriotism grows, the exchange rate rises, patriotism falls. smile
        2. your1970
          your1970 6 October 2020 13: 36
          -4
          Quote: Svarog
          Under capitalism, when some are fattening at the expense of others and rubbing in about patriotism, you need to clearly understand that this is just another instrument of robbery. Patriotism is possible only in a just socially oriented state.

          That is, in the Russian-Turkish in Serbia there were no Russian patriots ?????? In WWI with the slogan "For Faith, Tsar and Fatherland" did not go on the attack ???? The Yugoslavs in WWII fought exclusively for loot ???
          "It feels like you are delusional" (C) Ivan Vasilyevich is changing his profession ...
          fool fool
          1. Svarog
            Svarog 6 October 2020 13: 58
            +4
            Quote: your1970
            That is, in the Russian-Turkish in Serbia there were no Russian patriots ?????? In WWI with the slogan "For Faith, Tsar and Fatherland" did not go on the attack ???? The Yugoslavs in WWII fought exclusively for loot ???

            You need to compare at specific historical moments. Then the comparison will be objective. Now, when the communists chewed up and decomposed the capitalist model into molecules and after today's managers mock people, it would be strange to go on the attack for Putin, Rotenberg and others like that. But you can see that you would have done for this reason, it seems to you that what I wrote above is nonsense wassat
            1. your1970
              your1970 6 October 2020 16: 42
              -1
              Quote: Svarog
              it would be strange to go on the attack for Putin, Rotenberg and others like him.

              That is when volunteers went on the German front to attack in 1914 - they went for the tsar, Savva Morozov, Putilov, oil oligarchs Nobel Brothers, "RussoBalt" and the like ??
              This is not delirium with you - this is worse, this is an autumn aggravation ...
              They did not know then what kind of damned capitalists it was a sin to fight - they then thought that they were fighting for the Fatherland. ..
              And the Serbs in the late 90s, and Abkhazians, and Ossetians and Transnistria, all apparently fought for the oligarchs, right ??? They didn't have a welfare state anymore ??
              These are the perverts who spoil the meaning of the word - Patriotism ..
              The meaning of which is to defend the Motherland, and only then someday in the 10th place - for the state, the system in it, its officials and social justice in it
              1. Baron pardus
                Baron pardus 6 October 2020 17: 29
                +2
                The relationship between the country and the citizen should be a two-way street. You will not stay with your wife who drinks, walks, steals money from you, spreads her hands and demands more and more.
                If you stay this masochism and you need to be treated. I believe that if "the state does not owe you anything, it did not ask you to give birth," then you do not owe such a country anything at all. The state is obliged to take care of its subjects, and the citizens are obliged to protect the state. If a country treats its subjects like a pig, then it may not count on their loyalty. To love and protect those who treat you like a beast is masochism.
                1. your1970
                  your1970 6 October 2020 18: 25
                  0
                  Quote: Baron Pardus
                  You will not stay with your wife who drinks, walks, steals money from you, spreads her hands and demands more and more.
                  - 1/4 of women still live in Russia

                  Quote: Baron Pardus
                  I believe that if "the state does not owe you anything, it did not ask you to give birth," then you do not owe such a country anything at all.
                  -what owes the population of the USA- the US state ?? and taxes 7 years after refusal (!!!!) from citizenship - give it back and don't sin, and try not to pay lol
                  Quote: Baron Pardus
                  To love and protect those who treat you like a beast is masochism.

                  Hence all the US population is masochists ??? !!!
                  1. Baron pardus
                    Baron pardus 6 October 2020 19: 12
                    +1
                    The fact that "1/4 of women in Russia live like this" is the choice of women themselves, they are not chained. Nobody bothers them to leave. By the way, raising children in such a marriage is simply a crime.
                    It is very interesting that you remembered the United States. The level of patriotism is tireless here. People go to the army to get a profession, my native US Army trained me first on. A military doctor and then an operator in X-ray equipment to get money for college, to be determined in life and other reasons. Patriotism is in last place. Why? But because the past 25 years, opportunities and personal freedoms are less and less, medicine is more and more expensive, along with education and food. Naturally for hard workers. This year we have been so upset about real estate taxes that the full P-by 30%. And do you think that in the event of a big nix, there are a lot of people who will rush to defend the country? Only if they are sure that it will be even worse. Only if they are sure that they are protecting their house and their business. Especially now, when our society is so split that many are quite realistically ready to drive their political and ideological opponents to the end of the camp. Not one or two of my colleagues said that it would be better for the Chinese to come and put things in order, there are no welders in China, and they do not mage on the streets and do not burn city blocks down. The American is a practical creation, and first of all he thinks about where he personally will feel good. And citizenship may not be surrendered. I know people who have left, become citizens of another country and pay taxes in their country of residence, which they even report about in the USA. If you have a brain, then many laws in the USA can be bypassed
    2. your1970
      your1970 11 October 2020 14: 47
      0
      Quote: nnm
      A man of labor, a responsible citizen, thinking and doubting the infallibility of the top

      Even in the USSR, doubts about the infallibility of the top were never strongly encouraged. With all my NOT respect for Solzhenitsyn - he was kicked out for criticism previous the top (not acting !!) - whose actions were by this time officially recognized as incorrect and condemned ...
      Quote: nnm
      Let us remember that in response to the call for the elimination of illiteracy, students went to the villages without pay at all, and they went en masse.
      - there was unemployment in the country at that time because of the NEP ...
      There was everything in the shops - there was only work. That was one of the reasons for its collapse, the people began to trample.
      Naturally, the students went to the village to teach - for a ration, which was much more important than money at that moment
      Unemployment under the NEP is described by P. Nilin in his "Cruelty"
  • nikvic46
    nikvic46 6 October 2020 07: 05
    +6
    Since ancient times, the authority of the teacher has not been discussed by anyone. Yes, and people went to the teacher with a different approach to business. Psychologically educated. Nowadays it is time to educate many teachers who studied in the 90s. Even before the revolution, the teacher spent his meager salary not on food. In rural areas, they were obliged to provide teachers with food for free. Why today the teacher is in such a position. He is not profitable for business. ... A doctor, working on advertising recommendations, gets his share for this. It is difficult for a teacher in this case. But there is a stick with a different end. An accidental teacher is easy to manipulate in humanitarian subjects. So, as children did not know, they will know history in a perverted one. form.
  • Odu1
    Odu1 6 October 2020 07: 08
    -9
    The spouse is a teacher. ZP 70 sput. Those who come do not receive less than 50 sales after university. Plus wait for the classroom leadership about 10 began to pay extra. No security fees, etc. On holidays at home there are not enough containers to put bouquets. True, there is more and more bureaucracy.
    1. nnm
      nnm 6 October 2020 07: 20
      +2
      Well, here Roman is somewhat disingenuous, citing the figures of teachers' salaries in Ugra. Even ten years ago, the class teacher there received about 90 thousand. And if at least someone in the Khanty-Mansi Autonomous Okrug had hinted at collecting for curtains or textbooks, the Department of Education would simply cut the director's head off. But, perhaps, under Komarova, something has changed, perhaps something else, but, in fact, the question is different. Ok, tomorrow the teacher starts to receive 150 thousand. But what will this, in principle, change in the education system? This will somehow change the values ​​for children, will it somehow determine the guidelines for the entire complex of education, will it somehow help in the formation of the child's personality? Well, ok, we can assume that more professional TEACHERS will come .. but as no one set a goal for them to be engineers of human souls, so no one does. And there are no similar goals.
      1. Avior
        Avior 6 October 2020 07: 28
        +3
        Are you sure that the task of shaping the personality of a student at school is not set before the teacher?
        1. nnm
          nnm 6 October 2020 07: 30
          +4
          I would be glad to be wrong. Can I find out what kind of goal-setting, in this context, are formed by the society, by what document are they formalized and communicated to teachers by the Ministry of Education?
        2. bar
          bar 6 October 2020 08: 34
          +4
          Are you sure that the task of shaping the personality of a student at school is not set before the teacher?

          You may not be aware, but personality formation has long been replaced by the provision of educational services. I did a favor and calmly dumped home, this is the role of a modern teacher. sad
    2. Ragnar Lodbrok
      Ragnar Lodbrok 6 October 2020 07: 28
      11
      Quote: Odu1
      The spouse is a teacher. ZP 70 sput.

      Maskvaabad? In the Urals 15-25. And the average in the hospital is within normal limits, essno)))
      1. Odu1
        Odu1 6 October 2020 07: 36
        +4
        No, just the city where the Department's order comes from. About flowers)
      2. bar
        bar 6 October 2020 08: 36
        +2
        In the Urals 15-25

        And how much does the rest of the people in the Urals receive?
    3. 2 Level Advisor
      2 Level Advisor 6 October 2020 07: 58
      +2
      Denis, where do you live and how many rates does she work for?
      1. Odu1
        Odu1 6 October 2020 08: 05
        +3
        Surgut. I will not say about the rates, in my opinion, 27 hours.
        1. 2 Level Advisor
          2 Level Advisor 6 October 2020 08: 19
          +6
          the rate is 18 hours, which means 27 hours - 1,5 rates, respectively, the rate is 49 tr. (i.e. about 50 thousand. You got excited hi )
          although in the north, with MSCs and wipers, teachers of the middle lane earn more .. unless, of course, he does not plow 2-3 rates ..
          1. Odu1
            Odu1 6 October 2020 08: 36
            0
            Well, we can be a bit mistaken) It's still normal for a student after university)
            1. 2 Level Advisor
              2 Level Advisor 6 October 2020 08: 40
              0
              of course ok .. more than)
    4. aglet
      aglet 6 October 2020 09: 44
      +1
      "On holidays at home, there are not enough bouquets to place flowers"
      I have three relatives as teachers. here are the containers, and the truth is, there is not enough
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  • Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 6 October 2020 07: 30
    +7
    Novel! 12 rubles - I don’t know if teachers have such salaries (my son is a chemistry teacher - a salary of 000). Here is an extract for Kemerovo:

    It is another matter that working conditions and such a salary cannot be considered worthy for the Teacher. They (teachers) are not even allowed to dine in the school cafeteria (for their own money, on an appointment, or something else), but they need to look for a place where they can have a snack to the detriment of their health.
    In one thing, you are right. The disgusting attitude of the authorities towards teachers is evident at every step ... And in retirement they will not be exempt from the obligation to earn bread in a humiliating way for a person with higher education and work experience.
  • Mihail55
    Mihail55 6 October 2020 07: 42
    +3
    Very sad, Roman! Thank you for at least someone remembering about our dear teachers ... Well-fed does not understand the hungry. Do not get through, do not shout. What a pity for the granddaughter ...
  • ermak124.0
    ermak124.0 6 October 2020 07: 53
    -16 qualifying.
    I do not understand, sfigali this whining here on VO ??? Is this a branch of rain or echo? Nafik from here !!!
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 6 October 2020 13: 44
      -13 qualifying.
      For this author, all articles of a similar direction are solid squirting syrup for one day.
    2. Varyag71
      Varyag71 6 October 2020 15: 07
      +4
      so blow out of here
  • Ros 56
    Ros 56 6 October 2020 08: 00
    -6
    Roman, before writing another nonsense, at least asked what the teacher's salary consists of. There is no salary there in 12 thousand. Any teacher has a certain workload, it is expressed in hours and, accordingly, is paid according to the number of hours. And how many hours a person has 12, 18, and maybe 36 and how much this hour costs, it depends on the category and the need for this employee. I myself gave the first half of my life to this business, here in Soviet times there was a really miserable salary, even with my load of 36 hours. Now in the palace of pioneers the head of the circle, note this extra. education, i.e. the rates here are lower than at school, I am silent about higher education, a person has a part-time salary of 26 thousand, and my friend 46 thousand. Plus they allocated a lot of money (many millions) for machines and equipment. You can rustle a lot on this topic, but why lie.
    1. stalkerwalker
      stalkerwalker 6 October 2020 10: 55
      -8
      Quote: Ros 56
      before you write another nonsense

      All right, nonsense, and a deliberate lie ...
      Skomorokhov put the President of the Russian Federation on a par with the leadership of Hitler's Germany.
      And I'm still thinking - not to "knock" in the right place?
      lol
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 6 October 2020 13: 46
        -4
        "Skomorokhov put the President of the Russian Federation on a par with the leadership of Hitler's Germany." He will soon be added to the Criminal Code at such a pace.
    2. Dedok
      Dedok 7 October 2020 08: 26
      +2
      Roman, before writing another nonsense, at least asked what the teacher's salary consists of. There is no salary there in 12 thousand. Any teacher has a certain workload, it is expressed in hours and, accordingly, is paid according to the number of hours. And how many hours a person has 12, 18, and maybe 36 and how much this hour costs, it depends on the category and the need for this employee. I myself gave the first half of my life to this business, here in Soviet times there was a really miserable salary, even with my load of 36 hours. Now in the palace of pioneers the head of the circle, note this extra. education, i.e. the rates here are lower than at school, I am silent about higher education, a person has a part-time salary of 26 thousand, and my friend 46 thousand. Plus they allocated a lot of money (many millions) for machines and equipment. You can rustle a lot on this topic, but why lie.

      Where have you seen such rates in higher education?
      15th digit is 15.
      15 category - associate professor, candidate
  • Gloomy skeptic
    Gloomy skeptic 6 October 2020 08: 04
    -8
    Well, it's not for the state to strain itself by treating children, is it?
    Yeah! Do you, the author, have even the slightest idea how much money the state spends on children? Now it is not a secret, you can find out, if of course you have a desire. In no country on the planet Earth, no one else has similar spending, not even close to the Russian one, either. Although protryndet without full knowledge of the issue - this is our way. Ugh on you and your delusional libel !!!
    1. aglet
      aglet 6 October 2020 09: 49
      +2
      "No country in the world has similar spending, even close to Russian"
      here I agree with you, the only question is, does everything reach the addressee? judging by the situation in medicine and education, not all
  • Stirbjorn
    Stirbjorn 6 October 2020 08: 19
    +4
    Great, we see that today a teacher at school is a rogue legalized by the state.

    At the same time, he is an accomplice in falsifications of practically all elections and votes. With a well-known result. That is also a potential criminal.
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 6 October 2020 09: 08
      10
      Quote: Stirbjorn
      Great, we see that today a teacher at school is a rogue legalized by the state.

      At the same time, he is an accomplice in falsifications of practically all elections and votes. With a well-known result. That is also a potential criminal.

      Forced .. and then the prize will be deprived .. Although this is certainly not an excuse, but a slave psychology, would not be engaged in stuffing, you see, and everyone would have better life. Although it is unlikely .. the numbers would still have drawn and the teachers would have been left without a bonus.
  • ABC
    ABC 6 October 2020 08: 24
    -4
    “I recognize the dear by his walk,” and the leader of the sect of the missing polymers by the volume of the text. The topic is, of course, relevant, but what does VO have to do with it?
    As for the essence of the issue, those pitiful 12 sput, which Mr. Skomorokhov mentions, is the basic part of the salary, for 18 hours a week (for comparison, on the AVTOVAZ conveyor, greedy French pay workers as much as 15 sput, but for a 40-hour week , feel the difference), in addition to which a compensating part, a stimulating part and bonuses are also relied. It is clear that salaries are different in different regions, as well as the standard of living. In Altai and Moscow, they are very different. In Moscow, they are already leaving for 100 sput, this can be seen even by how many men were drawn to work in schools (the grandson of 7 teachers has four men). So there is no need to comb the subject of poor teachers. They are not poorer than other citizens in their regions. And the constant exaggeration of the topic of "poor teachers" greatly affects their authority among students and their parents.
    And what should be discussed is the role of the school in nurture, which was in Soviet schools, and which has recently been replaced by stupid "educational services". All the legs of our school education grow out of this ass. Hence the oligophrenics in the classrooms, and extortions for security, etc., etc. The powerlessness of teachers who are forced to dance to the tune of young freaks are also from there.
    Something like that. Welcome with cons.
  • Woodman
    Woodman 6 October 2020 08: 44
    +2
    A student can really send a teacher, he can refuse to complete a task - he will get nothing for it. You can't put two marks, you can't leave for the second year, now everyone, without exception, will receive a certificate.
    So in this situation there is a considerable share of the parents' fault. What kind of upbringing - so the child behaves himself. But it's easier, of course, to blame the teachers. And if the teacher is strict and tries to maintain discipline in the classroom, the same parents will overwhelm all controlling organizations with complaints. And it's good if they don't go to court.
    The problem of modern society is that any situation, any single case can be "inflated" to a universal scale by any journalist. In principle, it is enough to limit the influence of parents on teachers and introduce some kind of disciplinary measures against children - up to and including expulsion from school - and such phenomena will quickly come to naught. But! The first case, even with a suspicion of abuse on the part of the teacher, will be used to create such a public outcry that everything will instantly have to be "rolled back". Alas, modern society does not accept even a hint of discipline. And any tightening will be met with hostility by the absolute majority.
    But because the teacher's salary at the start is the same 12 (twelve thousand) rubles.
    With regards to 12000 at the start. Perhaps this is so - I did not ask. But. First, the author writes that this is exactly "at the start", and then only the same figure appears. Apparently, to create the impression that this is the salary of all teachers ... Just in the 12th year I was traveling by train on a business trip through Moscow to Voronezh. One of the neighbors in the compartment is a Muscovite who was on her way to Pyatigorsk to a sanatorium. I didn't take part in the conversations, but listened - where to go? So she said that she had a neighbor on the site - a teacher of pre-retirement age with a salary of 50 rubles. I was very surprised then. Of course, I understand that Moscow should not be equated with the provinces, but this is still the 000th year ...
    A gift to a teacher is extortion and bribe. Perfectly. All the same they give, but so ... from the class and at a minimum, secretly, through the parent committee. Otherwise, one of the dissatisfied parents will be able to file a statement to the prosecutor's office on the topic that this is a bribe / bribery for good grades.

    I will not say for sure, but about 12-14 years old, the question arose of what to give the teachers in the kindergarten. The Parents' Committee decided not to bother and ask the educators themselves. They modestly asked for certificates to a jewelry store. Of course, they were presented with certificates, but the parent committee did not address them with such questions.
    1. d4rkmesa
      d4rkmesa 6 October 2020 14: 01
      0
      >> certificates to jewelry store
      "You talk like it's bad." What other desires can people with salaries below average have? Do you think 585 and Sunlight are crowded with extremely wealthy people? Rather, exactly the opposite. And if the Rodkom has considerations that it is not possible to breed gypsies, then just as a pig cannot be a bad pig, so people fully correspond to the country in which they grew up.
  • g1washntwn
    g1washntwn 6 October 2020 09: 33
    +8
    Any production is divided into:
    - production shops (which are engaged in the production cycle of goods);
    - auxiliary production (which service production);
    - management.
    The tendency to reduce costs is widespread, because the shareholders sitting over the entire enterprise WANT to eat deliciously. Without delving into the mechanism, they simply cut financing for all components, and improving labor productivity is achieved by the simplest reduction of personnel with the burden of responsibilities and standards on the rest. You can't cope or you hunch over and tear the veins for the capitalist is not your choice - the exit for the checkpoint is known.
    Teachers are the very auxiliary production that has been "optimized" to the limit beyond which the loss of qualifications by workers in production and management begins. Educational tasks were completely removed from schools (a little more and adherents of juvenile justice will burn teachers at the stake right there, in the school yard).
  • BAI
    BAI 6 October 2020 09: 50
    +4
    1.
    And so - a complete set from Spider-Man to the Avengers.

    My wife - a psychologist in an elementary school (29 years of experience, the highest category, 23000 rubles) said that the kids had gathered in a gang, terrorized the school. To the question "Who are you?" - the answer is "We are a brigade". This is when the famous TV series advertising bandits went on TV.
    2.
    But it's worth talking about children separately.

    We must also talk about the parents. As you know, everyone knows how to run the state, raise children and play football. Parents climb into the educational process, not understanding anything about it, and teachers survive from school. My wife has one class at school - 3 (THREE) teachers have been replaced there this September. And all thanks to the parents. Moreover, the teachers (young) have completely left this school. Maybe completely out of school. What does the cop (no other word) understand in education? After all, the teacher does not climb to control his work, and parents begin to select a teacher not for the child, but for themselves.
    3. Well, here you don't know at all who to make a claim. O. Vasilieva, former Minister of Education:

    “The main emphasis in the 4th educational reform in Russia, which fell on Perestroika, was on updating the content of the humanities. The reformers tried to rewrite four disciplines in a short time: history, literature, social studies, economic geography. Thus, in a year or two, they were going to get a completely different generation. By a government decision, it was then allowed to attract new teachers who teach humanitarian subjects and foreign co-developers of educational programs and manuals for schools. Not without the Soros Foundation: the Russian Ministry of Education received from him $ 4 million for the creation and examination of new textbooks on history and social studies. Then publishing houses of Belgium, Norway, the Netherlands and Germany participated in the publishing of these textbooks. "
    Soros's "reform" in education was supposed to oust the very concept of a united Russia from history textbooks and the Russian language. In 1991, curricula and textbooks were developed for individual regions: the Volga region, South Siberia and the North Caucasus. The authors of the reform proposed to privatize educational institutions and to receive grants and training in the United States from the Russian Ministry of Education. For 4-5 years 450 new generation textbooks were created. By 1998, 10 organizations and printing houses were already publishing these new textbooks under the motto "freedom and pluralism". They rewrote textbooks, creating an alternative history. This is despite the fact that before 1991 our country had 120 textbooks, which were enough for everyone.

    It all ended with the fact that in the late 90s exams on the history of Russia were canceled. Nobody knew what program to take them.
    Who can be raised here in such conditions for 20 a month?
    In general, strategically important areas for the state: radio electronics, education, etc. are being destroyed in the bud. Everything is being done so that Russia does not catch up with the West: either there will be no technology, or there will be no brains to work with technologies. Or all at once, for reliability.
    1. BAI
      BAI 6 October 2020 09: 54
      +1
      Why does the site duplicate comments?
    2. d4rkmesa
      d4rkmesa 6 October 2020 14: 10
      +1
      KMK, we need some kind of boundaries between teachers and family committees with parents. No common chatterboxes in messengers and private messages, all issues should be resolved as before - at meetings, possibly in an online format. In extreme cases, a phone call within a reasonable time. No redundant communication, people should rest from each other.
  • Oleg Skvortsov
    Oleg Skvortsov 6 October 2020 10: 06
    0
    A very relevant and good article from Roman. Keep it up.
  • stalkerwalker
    stalkerwalker 6 October 2020 10: 25
    -1
    1. And what did you forget to remember the former teacher, who suddenly became a journalist "with a clear conscience"?
    She is one of "your" anti-Putinites.
    In the name of which she burned herself. But not for the happiness of his former colleagues.
    2. "... Inevitably, you will remember first "Master Plan" Ost "Herr Himmler and" Plan Dulles "..."
    Oh times, about morals ...
    How long has the author sang Hosanna to the President of the Russian Federation?
    It seems that not only the site servers in the Netherlands change the focus of the admins, but the very fact of changing the status from "member" to "moderator" ....
    3. When the Russian (or?) Mass Media draws parallels between the current Russian leadership and the German one, during the Great Patriotic War, it seems that the site's office is located in Kiev. At Zelensky's office.
    Should we expect an analogue of "Peacemaker" to appear on the site in relation to those who disagree with the "party line"?
  • Stalnov I.P.
    Stalnov I.P. 6 October 2020 10: 48
    +4
    But there are "talented" managers, "outstanding leaders" for 20 years promising a bright future, after which missiles, planes, man-made disasters begin to fall and the RUSSIAN PEOPLE sharply become poorer. But there are billionaire colonels, the same officials with dachas in the billions of rubles, how can you think about some kind of teachers. Big leaders are busy with epistles, promises, fairy tales. Although, to be honest, they are very, very far from the level of Confucius, not to mention domestic politics, economics and personnel. Pleases only one thing in our country there is an ELITE - these are TEACHERS, DOCTORS, MILITARY, WORKERS, SCIENTISTS, AGRARIANS, and the whole SIMPLE PEOPLE, honest, decent, efficient, who stands at the machines, bakes bread, drives a tractor and cars, but forgive me all the others whom I have not mentioned here YOU OUR RUSSIAN ELITE, honor and praise to you. And I don't even have words to call these.
  • Alexander X
    Alexander X 6 October 2020 11: 33
    -8
    I started reading the article. Long, boring, one-sided reflection of events. I looked who the author is - it's Skomorokhov! It is clear that this author is an "expert" in all areas from the technology of pre-fabricated hospitals to ways to raise the birth rate in Russia. It does not inspire confidence in his statement because the half-truth is a lie.
    I'll tell you about what I see. He retired and left Moscow for a hunt. I can responsibly say that in our "hinterland" maternal capital has pushed almost all married women of childbearing age to have another child. This is the second, and who is already the third. Since in the villages around my settlement we know each other by sight, then everything is known about everyone. In the nearest town, whom I know, they also gave birth to children "additionally".
    About teachers: in Moscow I have a neighbor on the landing - a teacher. Does not live in poverty. I recently bought a new Volkswagen Tiguan. You can't buy such a car for a salary of 12 tr, agree ...
    A friend of mine - the head of the traumatology department of a polyclinic in Moscow - gets 110 thousand / month on hand. In the village, a friend's wife is a nurse in the Mukhosky district hospital, about 30 tons of rubles on hands. Three days later. A neighbor's wife worked as a nurse in the village. Went to Khimki. Day in three. 35 tr.
    Why did I write this? And besides, everything is not so bad as the author of the article writes. Do VO need articles that distort reality?
    Yes, and I inform you that I am not a troll, "not on the Kremlin's salary." I am writing about what is just before the eyes, and not from general considerations. Yes, there are many things to be corrected in our state. But we must objectively reflect the reality ... IMHO
    1. stalkerwalker
      stalkerwalker 6 October 2020 13: 43
      -3
      Quote: Alexander X
      Yes, and I inform you that I am not a troll, "not on the Kremlin's salary." I am writing about what is just before the eyes, and not from general considerations. Yes, there are many things to be corrected in our state.

      Leave your explanations. Forget it. A "circle of Roman's friends" has formed here, who drown everyone who is trying to give their own, subjective, but real picture of what is happening.
      If the local Party said “We must!”, All these navalnata instantly throw up their right hand in greeting “From the heart to the sun!”. And together they poke virtual buttons with a minus sign.
      Quote: Alexander X
      But one must objectively reflect reality.

      And who needs it?
      Money doesn't smell ...
      Who knew Dudya until he got on grants from Hodor?
      It seems that Slava Shurygin could not resist the proposal made to him by the "Russian government in exile."
      Easily dresses up in white clothes, rocking the boat. Only complete inadequacies, or those who are greedy for power (and money at the public expense) can so violently drown against their country. The former do not understand anything, the latter purposefully work to discredit the authorities.
      An article about events in Kyrgyzstan has been posted on a parallel thread. In Russian realities, Bishkek will seem like a game of children in a sandbox.
      hi
  • iouris
    iouris 6 October 2020 11: 48
    0
    Are we slowly getting our sight? Something has gone wrong for a long time. However, time is the only resource that cannot be bought or stocked.
  • kalibr
    kalibr 6 October 2020 12: 03
    +1
    Quote: BAI
    What does a cop (no other word) understand in education?

    How well you said. Not a historian in history, right? Or in history how everyone understands everything, right ?!
    1. BAI
      BAI 6 October 2020 12: 25
      +1
      Here the context is somewhat different. The cop dictates to the teacher what he should do. And not a historian - a historian - does not agree (cannot influence in any way) with the manner in which the material is presented. Teaching and communicating are two different things.
  • Knell wardenheart
    Knell wardenheart 6 October 2020 12: 14
    +2
    Well, in fairness, the picture of teachers' welfare that I see now is MUCH BETTER than what I saw 20 years ago. True, in Moscow, I can't predict the situation in the provinces, and there is nothing to compare with.
    However, in the same Moscow - yes, they added great loads and complicated working conditions, but now at least they have enough for a normal vacation, a car, the construction of a summer house (judging by 2 familiar primary school teachers). Of course, this is not the level of the middle class in terms of income / load ratio, but I would be careful not to call these people "rogue".

    As for the flowers, I agree, it’s better really once a year so that the rodacs are thrown off by 1k - it’s banal for a vacation to a person who bursts in soothing packs.
    1. Aag
      Aag 7 October 2020 13: 51
      0
      "Of course, this is not the level of the middle class in terms of income / load ratio ..."
      For the hinterland, this is already, at times, above average. Without irony about 17 thousand ...
  • BAI
    BAI 6 October 2020 12: 43
    0
    By the way, this is also a question related to education and to the author. In the summer, the author gave birth to an angry article about the church in Patriot Park. In principle, according to the article, I agreed with him. But at the same time in the comments he wrote that criticizing the church in Patriot "do not forget about the opening of the Rzhev monument." So what? At VO, i.e. - MILITARY REVIEW, which positions itself as a military-patriotic publication, NOT A WORD about the Rzhev Memorial! There was no such event! And then what claims to the youth, if the "military-patriotic publication" ignores such an event. Or maybe it was ignored because it does not fit into the paradigm of criticism of the authorities? I just want to ask: "Is the site objective? Does it work for Navalny and others like him?"
    1. BAI
      BAI 6 October 2020 12: 44
      0
      Again duplication of comments. Or is it a special idea - to repeat twice for the dumb?
    2. stalkerwalker
      stalkerwalker 6 October 2020 12: 46
      -2
      Quote: BAI
      Or maybe it was ignored because it does not fit into the paradigm of criticism of the authorities? I just want to ask: "Is the site objective? Does it work for Navalny and others like him?"

      "I-I, naturlikh!", Answered from the clinic Sharite ...
      lol
  • datura23
    datura23 6 October 2020 13: 16
    +1
    there were Teachers, but 30 years ago they died out
  • Sfurei
    Sfurei 6 October 2020 13: 23
    +2
    Roman, are you again out of your field, or are you already working on order for money?
    What is the "starting salary for a teacher" 12 rubles ??? My mother-in-law works at a school in a remote Siberian village (000 km from Novosib) and they have an average salary of a teacher in their arms from 270 thousand (I just called and asked specifically). And the mother-in-law, working as a librarian, (NOT a teacher !!!! please pay attention !!! without higher education) receives 30 thousand rubles. STOP LYING !!! You YOURSELF constantly blame the media, but what are you doing yourself?
    At a school in Moscow where the eldest went and the middle son will go, the average salary of a teacher is around 120 thousand rubles (schools publish data on the wage fund). Yes, the Director may receive 250 thousand, but the teacher means from 50-70 thousand rubles.
    If you want to do a good deed, write the correct article that a teacher's salary can be 9 and 12 thousand rubles, but they, like all state employees and the military, receive rates for length of service, for category, for hours spent, for classroom guidance, etc. .d. And that makes up their salary.
    Yes, not everything is as good as we would like it to be, but it is certainly not the RUNNING THAT you write in the article !!!
    1. 72jora72
      72jora72 7 October 2020 01: 23
      +2
      At a school in Moscow where the eldest went and the middle son will go, the average salary of a teacher is around 120 thousand rubles (schools publish data on the wage fund). Yes, the Director may receive 250 thousand, but the teacher means from 50-70 thousand rubles.
      Do not put your Moscow as an example, it is a separate "country" of the parasite.
      1. Sfurei
        Sfurei 7 October 2020 10: 47
        0
        And you probably live in another country ?? And you were not taught to read carefully? Above in my commentary, I wrote about Siberia, and there they also do not receive 12 thousand ... And about "... a separate" country "is a parasite ..." If you look around the world and look back at the historical facts, you will not see nothing new is that any capital of the world, in any historical period of time, provided more opportunities for earning, but life in the capital was more expensive ...
        So stop the bile and take it for granted !! You, too, no one forbids you to come and earn your millions !! ))) Good luck in all your endeavors !!
  • Shadow041
    Shadow041 6 October 2020 13: 30
    +2
    It is high time for the government of the Russian Federation to think about the welfare of the indigenous population of the Russian Federation, it will be enough to feed other countries and peoples at the expense and to the detriment of the Russian Federation, the indigenous population of the Russian Federation has its own problems. And if this simple fact does not reach the government of the Russian Federation and foreign countries and peoples are dearer to it, then the Russian Federation needs a new government and a president who will deal with the problems of the Russian Federation and rob foreign countries for the good of the Russian Federation, and not vice versa, as it is today.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 6 October 2020 13: 50
      -6
      "Enough to feed foreign countries and peoples at the expense and to the detriment of the Russian Federation" You confused the USSR with Russia - now we are not feeding anyone at our own expense - all for money.
      1. Varyag71
        Varyag71 6 October 2020 15: 14
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        https://www.rbc.ru/politics/04/10/2020/5f772ece9a79471ee5c48d35
  • Kote Pan Kokhanka
    Kote Pan Kokhanka 6 October 2020 16: 13
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    There is no desire to comment on the article.
    Yesterday was the day of an employee of the criminal investigation department of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, tomorrow is a holiday at the headquarters, 12 at personnel officers. Happy holidays guys and girls!
  • Rokambol
    Rokambol 6 October 2020 16: 41
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    Mr. Gref

    For such gentlemen it would be desirable that our country had a neo-feudal system. And they are doing a lot to return Russia forward into the past.
  • Sergey Sfiedu
    Sergey Sfiedu 6 October 2020 17: 53
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    It seems that Bismarck said that the war (Franco-Prussian) was won not by guns and cannons, but by a German school teacher. But modern Russia has no time for teachers.
  • Radikal
    Radikal 6 October 2020 23: 07
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    Quote: The same Lech
    And the president is waiting for a breakthrough ...

    smile The President finally gave birth to a decree banning the sale of unprocessed wood in 2024 ... belay For 25 years she was driven abroad for next to nothing, destroying our forest, and from there furniture was already going to us at an exorbitant price ...
    "Poor fellow" - where has he been for 25 years? On a business trip to Dresden? In NYC? Washington? In the cooperative "Lake"? lol
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  • Zementbomber
    Zementbomber 7 October 2020 03: 31
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    Let me remind all those who are virtually suffering for the "hard lot of the Teacher" (and of course, the most indispensable from the Capital Letter, - Oh, how! bully ) that the saying: "since there is no mind at all - submit documents to Ped!" - still Soviet and deeply "perestroika". As well as the decoding by Kiev students of abra KPI (Kiev Pedagogical Institute) as "Kiev Nursery of Idiots" (forgive me, dd. And Messrs. Modery and Modershi! laughing ) - decently older than myself. And for me - in a couple of weeks, fifty dollars will knock ...
  • Lynx2000
    Lynx2000 7 October 2020 06: 18
    +1
    what
    After reading the comments, I realized that the saying is applicable for the teacher: they pay well there (another region of the Russian Federation), where he is not.
    Payment funds for teachers of budgetary educational institutions are formed from the regional budget.

    If I am not mistaken, the salary of a teacher is made up of the base official salary in a fixed amount or the wage rate (the number of academic hours provided for by the tariff scale).
    And, also allowances and surcharges provided for by compensatory payments and incentive allowances. The rate is set for a calendar month or for a labor standard.
    For example, my father, a physics and ICT teacher, additionally taught the so-called. e-diary, qualification - teacher of the highest category, in the district school of the Altai Territory received in 2015 - 24 thousand rubles a month. Unfortunately, a little over a year ago he passed away.

    It became interesting, I found a resource Altai Territory with data on average wages. Not all areas are indicated, also qualifications, but the average salary of a teacher at the current time is 20 thousand rubles.
    In addition, my godmother, who is 65 years old as a procedural nurse in the surgical room of a regional hospital in the Altai Territory, receives no more than 12 thousand rubles a month.

    As the saying goes, an educated person (in this case, a teacher), on a full stomach, takes "spiritual food" better.
  • Dedok
    Dedok 7 October 2020 08: 24
    0
    Read the statements of the Chubais, Grefs and the like
    The article is correct, but it says that we have imitation around us, imitation of everything
    And we agree with this
    And according to D.A.M. - a good indicator is the attitude towards the electorate, in fact.
  • awesom3-lutsevich
    awesom3-lutsevich 7 October 2020 10: 23
    -1
    The President keeps declaring jerks and breakthroughs, but it turns out a step forward and two steps back, and for the most part back
  • certero
    certero 7 October 2020 12: 12
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    The article is mostly emotions without any normal facts. It is quite possible that somewhere in a remote village, teachers receive 12000 rubles. but in fact nobody works for such a salary.
    By the way, the question is not even about salary. And in the place in society that the teacher should occupy.
    And this place at some point in time became exactly at the level of the subservient. Something like a waiter or cleaner.
    For example, the gigantic bias of women in teachers, which began in Soviet times. But in Soviet times, the prestige of the teaching profession, by inertia, remained almost until the end of the seventies.
  • Viktor Sergeev
    Viktor Sergeev 7 October 2020 12: 32
    0
    What kind of nonsense from the author about teachers' salaries? Does he know what it is made of? Where did he see a teacher receiving less than 20 rubles?