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NI: Britain has identified "holes" in the Russian air defense system and is able to block the S-400 air defense system

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The American media published material on the Russian S-400 Triumph air defense system. In particular, the possibility of "neutralizing and blocking" these highly effective anti-aircraft missile systems is being considered.


An article by the NI (National Interest) information resource published a material which says that the British army "is developing technologies and capabilities that are capable of blocking the operation of Russian S-400 air defense systems."

The article points out that the UK can "block" Russian S-400 air defense systems by increasing the number of patrols near the borders of the Russian Federation. For this, the military assets of the country's air force and navy are used, which appear at the northern borders of Russia, as well as in the Baltic.

The intensification of British patrolling, according to the journalists of the American resource, made it possible "right now to reveal gaps in the air defense system of Russia, created by such means as the S-400 air defense system."

In particular, it is pointed out that "the identified gaps" allow the fifth generation F-35 fighters to approach the borders of Russia, remaining unnoticed.

At the same time, the publication does not consider such a moment: usually the appearance of their aircraft near the borders of Russia, NATO countries, including the USA and the same Britain, are shown in frames, but here are the pictures of the appearance of the F-35 of the United Kingdom Air Force in the immediate vicinity, for example, from Kaliningrad, are still have not yet been demonstrated. Or identifying "holes" and "blocking" the S-400 is nothing more than a fantasy of the NI team of authors?
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  1. YOUR
    YOUR 5 October 2020 07: 34
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    Blessed is he who believes, it is easy for him in the world.
    1. Terenin
      Terenin 5 October 2020 07: 49
      +5
      I suggest the Anglo-Saxons to buy all the air defense systems from us in bulk, and they won't have to invent fairy tales winked
      1. Ilya-spb
        Ilya-spb 5 October 2020 08: 11
        26
        Let them look for holes in their pants!

        I'm surprised - where is the world heading?
        Potential adversary and enemy is writing blatant disinformation. A crowd of experts are discussing this.

        Is it really not clear that if weapons systems have weak points, they are silent about them.
        And the enemy is silent about the weak points of the weapon that will confront him in the first place.
        1. nov_tech.vrn
          nov_tech.vrn 5 October 2020 08: 34
          15
          What kind of information and experts.
          1. frruc
            frruc 5 October 2020 13: 40
            -2
            ... identifying "holes" and "blocking" the S-400 is nothing more than a fantasy of the NI team of authors? ....

            Dreamers ...... Let them go to Mr. Gorbachev for advice.
        2. Zoldat_A
          Zoldat_A 5 October 2020 09: 01
          11
          Quote: Ilya-spb
          Is it really not clear that if weapons systems have weak points, they are silent about them.

          Judging by the article in the NI, Britain found the main "hole" in the S-400 - to drive SO MANY patrolling aircraft to our borders that we physically do not have enough S-400s for everyone. No other "gaps" were found.

          How much does the S-400 cost and will still be on the database - I don’t know about that, even the Internet probably don’t know. Our General Staff knows. But, I think, in order to effectively use the "hole" found by Britain, it is necessary to catch up to our borders at the same time more than one hundred "patrollers".

          The British military is in full swing adopting the experience of the "British scientists" and soon the phrase
          According to the British military ...
          will be perceived as funny as the phrase is perceived now
          According to British scientists ...
          1. ZEMCH
            ZEMCH 5 October 2020 15: 11
            +2
            I agree with you, but it seems to me that the "British military" will not have enough "patrolmen" to force it)))
      2. hrych
        hrych 5 October 2020 08: 11
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        Quote: Terenin
        you don't have to invent fairy tales

        It's funny, especially when the Russian Federation built an OGRLS Container, as an element of an early warning system, and on the banks of ours they install an OGRLS Sunflowers, which are watching a radius of almost 500 km. And their wavelength is not suitable for invisibility and the curvature of the earth is on the side. So even in the Caspian, they worked out the conditional destruction of the enemy by pointing the ZGRLS. And the S-400 was also provided with an over-the-horizon missile defense system. ZGRLS sees the target, gives the command to the S-400, the missile launcher rises, looks beyond the horizon .. here it is, dear, our F-35 wassat Greetings from Kabanov, who invented ZGRLS, to Ufimtsev, who invented Stealth good
        1. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 5 October 2020 11: 23
          -8
          "SAM rises, looks beyond the horizon .." ///
          ----
          What does it look like? laughing With your weak centimeter radar in the seeker?
          It is applicable only if the missile is close to the F-35.
          Then this little radar will help to point the missile exactly at the plane.
          1. Ali
            Ali 5 October 2020 17: 11
            0
            Quote: voyaka uh
            It is applicable only if the missile is close to the F-35.
            Then this little radar will help to point the missile exactly at the plane.

            voyaka uh (Alexey), as always - not true! Let's apply at a distance of more than D = 20 km, for the F-35 this is more than enough! Count and settle down.
            1. voyaka uh
              voyaka uh 5 October 2020 17: 59
              -3
              "Applicable at a distance of more than D = 20 km" ////
              ----
              If the missile attacks a B-52 bomber smile
              In this case, the ground radar will not let you down. good
              1. YOUR
                YOUR 7 October 2020 14: 35
                0
                There is such a concept of line-of-sight range. Depends on the altitude of the target. At an altitude of 50 m, the target is detected at a distance of about 35 km. In order to detect a target at a distance of 500 km, it must be at an altitude of 12-15 km.
          2. hrych
            hrych 5 October 2020 23: 12
            +1
            Only yours is small here ... well, you get
            1. hrych
              hrych 6 October 2020 10: 44
              0
              I'm talking about Israel. What are you thinking? wassat
        2. 3danimal
          3danimal 5 October 2020 13: 07
          -1
          ZGRLS are all two-dimensional. They do not give the target height (and we are talking about aircraft), they can only indicate where the S-300/400 radar "looks". Of the minuses, it also depends on the "weather", the state of the ionosphere. A good system that may refuse to work at the wrong time smile
          The target range with an RCS of 3 m2 for the ARL of the GOS is of the order of 20-30 km. From the front, the F-35 has an RCS by 2-3 orders of magnitude less, respectively, the capture range decreases by 3,2-5,6 times. And it must be brought VERY close, which greatly complicates the interception.
          Do not forget also about the confident possibility of intercepting missiles using the helmet-mounted target designation system + AIM-9x, especially large missiles of the S-300/400 complexes.
          1. hrych
            hrych 5 October 2020 23: 19
            +2
            Firstly, there is the use of a sky wave, this is a reflection from the ionosphere, and there is the use of a surface wave, this is along the surface and repeating the curvature of the earth, the signal returns. This is how the sunflower works. Therefore, do not care about the ionosphere, here are the usual radar algorithms. There is azimuth, range, and altitude. Do not give EPR here, this is not a centimeter range, but a meter range and stealth geometry does not work. It just doesn't work.
            1. 3danimal
              3danimal 6 October 2020 02: 22
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              Do not give EPR here, this is not a centimeter range, but a meter range and stealth geometry does not work. It just doesn't work.

              Take an interest, there is data on the irradiation of F-117 with different wavelengths.
              The second point: why do the radars of modern air defense systems and radars of fighters have a wavelength of 1-10 cm (and not a meter)? Accuracy and dimensions differ greatly.
              and there is the use of a surface wave, this is along the surface and repeating the curvature of the earth, the signal is returned.

              Ok, the ionosphere has no effect on this type of ZGRLS (although the same new "Container" in operation depends on its state), however, the ranges here are much more modest (comparable to long-range air defense missile systems).
              And again, the Sunflower, like its fellows, is two-dimensional.
              Accuracy (RMS) of measurement:
              - range, m 1,5 - 2
              - by bearing, deg. 1,2 - 1,5

              But nowhere is there any height measurement accuracy (3rd coordinate). Which is logical, because you need the target to be in line of sight (regardless of distance).
              Therefore, this system can only transmit the coordinates (without height) of the air defense missile system from the centimeter range radar (PAR S-400). Which with the F-35 will already experience difficulties (like the Patriot radar with the Su-57), the capture range for tracking will be several times less than the 1-3 m2 declared for EPR.
              1. hrych
                hrych 6 October 2020 11: 33
                +1
                The container has a separate transmitter and receiver. One at Nizhny, the second in Mordovia. This makes it possible to work with a target in full and according to Ufimtsev, the diversity transceiver is the most effective means of detecting a stealth aircraft, where its geometry does not work. Wavelength when longer than the plane itself wassat also makes its rejection meaningless. Already at ZGRLS Volna, they worked out algorithms for changing the ionosphere depending on the time of day, time of year, etc. The computer takes this into account and the deviations were achieved in meters. That allows not only to warn of an attack, but also to use weapons, in particular anti-ship missiles, where the height does not matter at all. As you remember, two radars worked earlier. But even less often now. One indicated the azimuth and distance based on the speed of light and time, the return of the reflected signal, the second determined the height based on the Pythagorean theorem. Now it is not necessary everything is done by one emitter and a detector, and the calculations are done by a computer. In ZGRLS it is also that with spatial and even more so with a surface wave. And as for the centimeter range, it’s not even a matter of accuracy, but in the size of the emitter-detector antenna. Stick a thirty-meter antenna on the plane wassat You can, of course, use an antenna half the wavelength, etc. So the radiation power will drop sharply, and the detector becomes dumber by a factor. Therefore, the ZGRLS with its wavelength, even the dimensions of the ship, do not allow it. Well, the energy level. Either a small, centimeter-long oscillating circuit vibrates, or imagine how an oscillating circuit of tens and hundreds of meters vibrates. So even this in the form of a large phased array because it is impossible to twist such an antenna. And how much energy is required to swing this. Therefore, in addition to the long antenna, it also adds a more powerful and, accordingly, dimensional energy source. The Cyclopean Arc was powered by the Chernobyl nuclear power plant. That is why she became the object of sabotage, in order to blind the early warning system, which sees massive launches anywhere in the world, reflecting from the ionosphere and the surface not once, but several times. By the way, the compact YSU, for which Kiriyenko received the star of the hero, allows, in addition to a compact laser cannon, railgun, EMP cannon, as well as intercontinental torpedoes, CR and spacecraft with an ion engine, to use radars with a long wavelength and make them acceptable in size, so that try to get away from stationarity.
                1. 3danimal
                  3danimal 9 October 2020 06: 52
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                  to use weapons, in particular anti-ship missiles, there generally the height does not matter.

                  So it was about the use of stealth aircraft, for which there is a third coordinate.
                  Now it is not necessary everything is done by one emitter and a detector, and the calculations are done by a computer.
                  diversity transceiver - the most effective means of detecting stealth aircraft

                  See the characteristics of our biostatic radar. They determine that an unobtrusive plane is flying in a 200x200m square. Gorgeous. Only missiles should have YABCH, for a couple of kilotons at least smile

                  Mix different things as you like. Makes one emitter and detector. On the S-300/400 with HEADLIGHTS. Which in advance (roughly)? Warned by the OGRLS.
                  Why did she become the object of sabotage in order to blind the early warning system

                  You obviously draw this knowledge from conspiracy series and literature. Self-sabotage.
                  Due to the terrible sloppiness / greed of the NPP management, violations of construction technology (materials were delayed, but they wanted to be in time) and design defects of the RBMK, which a number of scientists tried to warn about, but they were gagged and the information was classified. (If they don’t know about the problem, they don’t. The main thing is for officials to sit in their chairs until retirement.)
                  1. hrych
                    hrych 9 October 2020 08: 01
                    +1
                    The container works as a space wave, i.e. reflection of the beam from the ionosphere. The phased array receiver also works, not just how. And the angle of incidence is equal to the angle of reflection, with the unfortunate addition of Pythagorean algorithms, a student will be able to calculate the height of an object. For Chernobyl. An experiment was conducted there at night with a change in the operating modes of the station, which led to an explosion. The very dangerous experiment with a generator feeding a strategic facility, and the most important in the early warning system, not to conspiracy theorists, but also to naive simpletons leaves no questions. Doug saw massive launches across the United States. And all the other early warning radars have already seen warheads with false targets on approach from 3 thousand km. Feel the difference? Experiments can be carried out, but not on such objects unambiguously. And who conducted and allowed to conduct - Enemies of the people and agents of the Behind the Scenes.
                    1. 3danimal
                      3danimal 9 October 2020 10: 16
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                      An experiment was conducted there at night with a change in the operating modes of the station, which led to an explosion. The very dangerous experiment with a generator feeding a strategic facility, and the most important in the early warning system, not to conspiracy theorists, but also to naive simpletons leaves no questions. Doug saw massive launches across the United States. And all the other early warning radars have already seen warheads with false targets on approach from 3 thousand km. Feel the difference?

                      Conspiracy is attractive: it gives simple answers (like religion, you don't have to strain your head). But they are wrong.
                      Did the Americans order the RBMK defect (a sharp increase in power when the retarder rods enter) to be classified? - Its officials (the state of the victorious bureaucrats, IMHO).
                      The experiment was also organized by the management of the NPP (they wanted to get promotions and bonuses) and the ministry in Moscow (it was also necessary to report for awards and bonuses).
                      The container works as a space wave, i.e. reflection of the beam from the ionosphere.

                      The container even on the manufacturer's website is declared as two-dimensional.
                      By sunflower: it also follows from the characteristics that it determines only the range and bearing. Those. two coordinates.
                      1. hrych
                        hrych 9 October 2020 10: 39
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                        Quote: 3danimal
                        The container even on the manufacturer's website is declared as two-dimensional.
                        By sunflower: it also follows from the characteristics that it determines only the range and bearing. Those. two coordinates.

                        First, the Container is an early warning system and no one will share this information with you. Such things are not exported. But, I repeat an elementary thing, the reflected signal of the object against the background of the reflected signal from the ground, albeit at a certain angle, is elementary calculated. The speed of light of the beam reflected from the object is one, then after n-th time comes the reflected signal from the surface of the earth / water, that's two. And How? The problem is to calculate the height. Yes, I'll count it in a column. And here a powerful computer analyzes the oscillograms ... This is one way. There is also a cosine in your tape. With regards to Sunflower-E, i.e. the export version with understated performance against the Pope is something else. Here is a surface wave, it seems to repeat the curvature of the earth. But the fact of the matter is that when calculating the height of two-coordinate radars, there are a bunch of formulas. Not one formula, but several. These formulas are put into computer algorithms. Previously, two-coordinate radars gave two coordinates, and a specially trained person calculated the height using formulas. Now this trainee was fired, everything is done by the computer algorithm. Well, it was not for nothing that I suggested to you about the capabilities of a phased array, as opposed to a conventional emitter-detector.
                      2. 3danimal
                        3danimal 9 October 2020 12: 54
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                        it repeats, as it were, the curvature of the earth.

                        Is the radio beam flying in a straight line ?? To do this, you need to bend space, with the help of a star, at least smile The fact of the matter is that it goes, reflected from the atmosphere and the Earth.
                        The problem is to calculate the height. Yes, I'll count it in a column.

                        If there is no direct line of sight to the target, you will not count anything to calculate the distance to it using the Doppler method. How many times has the beam re-reflected before it went to the target and returned to you ??
                        You can only give out very conditional values.
                        With regards to Sunflower-E, i.e. the export version with understated performance against the Pope is something else.

                        Only the range is underestimated.
                        First, the Container is an early warning system and no one will share such information with you.

                        So one can declare the ability of, say, "Admiral Gorshkov" to take off from the sea into space and make interplanetary flights. It is still classified, why not (or do you not believe in our Kulibins?). smile
                      3. hrych
                        hrych 9 October 2020 13: 45
                        +1
                        laughing exactly in a straight line. reflected from the ionosphere again in a straight line and back. If this were not the case, then radar would be impossible. The electrons would fly away, God knows where, and would not return. And the star has nothing to do with wassat
                        ,
                        Quote: 3danimal
                        How many times has the beam re-reflected

                        What came back, then came back, and what was reflected in other directions and flew away these electrons are irretrievably lost and we do not care. According to the Container, this is a unique thing, but the point is that I told you how it is calculated elementarily by the delay of the reflected signal from the ground, opposite the target. That's it, there is a third coordinate. Due to this, the algorithm of the ZGRLS of the sky wave is even simpler than that of the ground-based radar, which does not see the ground; it itself directs the beam from the ground from the ground. And at ZGRLS it is as if the radar scans from the ionosphere and sees the earth. Also, an airborne radar or AWACS aircraft relative to the ground works and computer calculations from the ground and dance.
                      4. 3danimal
                        3danimal 9 October 2020 15: 19
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                        ... That's it, there is a third coordinate. Due to this, the algorithm of the ZGRLS of the sky wave is even simpler than that of the ground-based radar, which does not see the ground; it itself directs the beam from the ground from the ground.

                        Only sees the earth as "flat". I repeat:
                        you won't calculate anything. How many times has a signal from the Earth been reflected? Where is the application of such methods in practice ??
                        The only reliable option is to find out the distance from the radar to the target (by the Doppler method) and calculate the height from it.
                      5. hrych
                        hrych 9 October 2020 20: 03
                        +1
                        The reflected signal from the ionosphere, target and surface (once) is scanty. Therefore, the ZGRLS is very powerful and consumes a huge amount of energy. And the receiving device is a phased array field and a cascade of powerful amplifiers. Therefore, another reflection from the ground and the ionosphere drops significantly in power. The arc worked in several reflections and the signal even came from the other side of the earth. But this device is one of the wonders of the world powered by a nuclear power plant. And naturally, only a mass missile launch was recorded, and there was no question of coordinates, let alone the possibility of missile defense missile guidance. Therefore, it is perfectly visible when one reflection by the Kabanov effect or more.
                      6. 3danimal
                        3danimal 9 October 2020 21: 46
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                        Once again: from the reflected signal, you will receive only two coordinates reliably. Nobody argues. But NOT the height. (As much as I would not like) Therefore, work is underway in the direction of the S-400 and more advanced complexes of this type.
                  2. 3danimal
                    3danimal 9 October 2020 21: 47
                    0
                    and what was reflected in other directions and flew away these electrons are irretrievably lost and we do not care.

                    What do I mean? Do you think that a radio beam is a stream of electrons ??
                  3. hrych
                    hrych 10 October 2020 10: 26
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                    Quote: 3danimal
                    that a radio beam is a stream of electrons

                    Let's dispense with the discussion of Quantum Field Theory wassat It will not bring to good.
                  4. 3danimal
                    3danimal 10 October 2020 15: 53
                    0
                    QFT represents a radio wave as a stream of electrons ?? (Moving at the speed of Light ??) request Why did it happen?
  • Cyril G ...
    Cyril G ... 7 October 2020 18: 05
    0
    Quote: 3danimal
    b confident ability to intercept missiles using a helmet-mounted target designation system + AIM-9x

    She is uncertain and highly unlikely. And they will definitely shoot at the plane with a volley of two-rocket mini
    1. 3danimal
      3danimal 9 October 2020 10: 20
      0
      What is the improbability? A light missile with an OVT and an overload of 60g lacks maneuverability? Or will the high-resolution seeker not detect the missile? One out of two shot down missiles increases the chances of getting away from the second.
  • YOUR
    YOUR 8 October 2020 03: 11
    0
    Just a question. How will target designation from the "Container" ZGRLS be received on the S-400, for example, near Kaliningrad and Voronezh?
    Just a question.
    1. hrych
      hrych 8 October 2020 05: 04
      +1
      Through the channels of army communications. And about the same as previously received information from the ICBM Mine located in Siberia from the early warning radar in Gabala. Or do you think they launch ICBMs on their radar wassat There are control centers, and now many are working in automatic mode. Let's say the same Iskander has a launcher, has a loading machine, as well as a control machine, where they receive information about the target, enter coordinates into the rocket and forward. Also, the Bastion battery hits Onyx for the curvature of the earth and also receives coordinates through the control and communication machine from external control sources, i.e. satellites Liana, ZGRLS, Avaks, etc. All these batteries themselves do not see the target. Likewise, air defense systems are combined into a common system, and since they themselves do not see the target with their radars, how do you think to launch an over-the-horizon missile? At random? Of course, external target designation.
      1. YOUR
        YOUR 8 October 2020 08: 22
        0
        They wrote a lot, but here's what ...
        Behind 27 calendars in air defense, but somehow I did not have a chance to hear about this.
        And so, just in case, ICBMs are launched according to known coordinates of targets such as city, port, location of a military unit, ICBM mine. On a moving target, an ICBM is ineffective. The Chinese are doing some research, but this is due to the lack of appropriate technology.
        The result of your writing is that you are swimming in the topic, you don't really know anything. Even the fact that the ZGRLS is only two-dimensional and has no accuracy, plus the bast has passed and is needed to fix aerodynamic and ballistic targets, and not for accurate guidance.
        For development, read what an ACS is, how it works, with what accuracy it is necessary to issue information
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  • hydrox
    hydrox 5 October 2020 08: 40
    +1
    No, we will not sell the air defense systems, while we can sell one salvo, but from all the air defense systems in the direction, however, on the condition that the British attack at least fifty aircraft (the attack squadron with Nyuporas and Hurricanes cannot be completed !!).
    Here the anti-aircraft gunners will spoil, having made themselves such a holiday!
    But on the other hand, where the Mirikans will find another field for PR for their worthless Fushki, if these Fushki are like fire afraid of approaching our air defense systems at a distance of closer than 600 km.
    1. 3danimal
      3danimal 5 October 2020 13: 11
      -3
      Hat-covering. What if the first wave is MALDs, false targets? Which look like a fighter jet or a CD on radar? Anti-aircraft gunners will have to react by revealing their location. And HARMs will fly in the second wave.
      How cunning they can be! wink
      1. Ali
        Ali 5 October 2020 15: 50
        0
        Quote: 3danimal
        Hat-covering. What if by the first wave will turn out to be MALD's, false targets?

        3danimal. There is no need to write fables about MALD. I already, like you on VO, explained what MALD is, and you again repeat your mantra and fables, including about your "Iron" dome, the probability of hitting targets with which is less than 0,9.
        1. 3danimal
          3danimal 5 October 2020 16: 44
          -3
          No need to write fables about MALD. I'm already like you on VO, I explained what MALD is

          ADM-160A MALD (Miniature Air Launched Decoy) is a decoy UAV equipped with electronic warfare systems. Equipped with a system for simulating microwave, VHF and microwave radar signatures to achieve realistic simulations of almost any subsonic aircraft, from F-117 to B-52.

          There is also I-TALD (ADM-141) - a decoy target simulator of a cruise missile.
          Such infa is in the public domain. Do you have other data? (Maybe Raytheon has an insider? smile )
          My Iron Dome ?? As far as I know, he is Israeli, but I had nothing to do with the development of any air defense systems smile
          1. Ali
            Ali 5 October 2020 16: 57
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            Quote: 3danimal
            My Iron Dome ?? As far as I know, he is Israeli, but I had nothing to do with the development of any air defense systems

            3danimal. Long ago you got to the core.
            Equipped with a system for simulating microwave, VHF and microwave radar signatures to achieve realistic simulations of almost any subsonic aircraft, from F-117 to B-52.

            3danimal. Forgot to write about the delay time! And don't write advertising spam from the Internet ...
            1. 3danimal
              3danimal 5 October 2020 17: 17
              -1
              3danimal. Long ago you got to the core.

              How interesting do you know something that I don't know about myself? wassat
              Forgot to write about the delay time!

              And more?
              Do you have any ad spam? And following this logic, are the characteristics of our radars from the manufacturer's sites also spam?
              1. Ali
                Ali 6 October 2020 01: 57
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                3danimal. The secrecy regime in the world has not yet been canceled, so the characteristics do not correspond to the real ones!
                1. 3danimal
                  3danimal 6 October 2020 02: 41
                  -1
                  I am for the absence of double standards.
                  The secrecy regime in the world has not yet been canceled, so the characteristics do not correspond to the real ones!

                  Consequently, the characteristics of western radars and stealth aircraft may be even higher than those stated (secrecy).
                  And we come to the conclusion that there is nothing to compare and evaluate, because everything is distorted.
                  Or build on the manufacturer's official data.
                  P.S. You have not answered the question about false air targets: what is wrong with them?
  • Serg koma
    Serg koma 5 October 2020 08: 58
    +4
    Quote: Terenin
    buy from us all air defense systems wholesale

    It should be simpler, simpler ... Until the contracts are signed, more than one year will pass. It is enough to fly one F-35 (by analogy with the U-2 Paurs), or better than ten, over the territory of Russia - the S-400 does not work, it does not fly - it works. Pilot (s) on trial will talk about efficiency. So much for "holes in the Russian air defense system, created by such means as the S-400 air defense system."
    Yes, and OUR will practice "for free", save on educational purposes.
    1. 3danimal
      3danimal 5 October 2020 13: 15
      -4
      Yes, no one will fly over the territory as in the 60s, for the purpose of reconnaissance. Are you dreaming of those times? Now there are satellites.
      All your scenarios assume a "easy walk" from our side, because the opponent is naive, close and does not try to attack / bypass the air defense system.
      1. Serg koma
        Serg koma 5 October 2020 14: 32
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        Quote: 3danimal
        Let no one fly over the territory

        Then there is no need to breach about the "holes".
        1. 3danimal
          3danimal 5 October 2020 14: 59
          -4
          Holes can be found or created. The air defense zone, continuous for a 4th generation fighter, is highly fragmented for an unobtrusive aircraft.
          Competent tactics of using the targets of simulators and PRP are also important.
  • Russobel
    Russobel 5 October 2020 08: 08
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    Britain has identified "holes" And there is a "hole" for the old woman
    And there are more planes, more so as not to chase them.
    They themselves will fly to the rocket.
    Blessed is he who believes, it is easy for him in the world.
    How blessed they are, they are poor kaliki!
    1. 3danimal
      3danimal 5 October 2020 14: 53
      -2
      If they are so stupid, why are they so rich? Think about it. You can still wonder why we use the units of measure Joule, Farad, Ampere, etc.
      1. hydrox
        hydrox 5 October 2020 16: 41
        +3
        If Russia had the ability to print the dollar, then Russia would be even richer than the United States. Intelligence and stupidity have nothing to do with it, it is necessary to evaluate the possibilities and abilities.
        So we have abilities above the roof, but only we have nowhere to take opportunities (all opportunities were plundered and pounded by our ruling ilik offshore), and the people got figs without oil. crying
        1. 3danimal
          3danimal 5 October 2020 16: 55
          -5
          And I was talking about Britain. And the mentioned scientists, whose names became units of measurement of physical quantities (due to their fundamental research in electrical engineering) - from there.
          For some reason, money from half of the world is taken there, and their budget is four times ours. And they don't print dollars, only pounds smile
          There are many gifted people in most developed countries, it all depends on spending on science and the level of research organization. But many of our people fail to realize themselves at home (the economy and the business climate are not interested in them), as a result, many successful projects have been opened in the USA.
          1. MMX
            MMX 5 October 2020 18: 53
            +1
            And I was talking about Britain. And the mentioned scientists, whose names became units of measurement of physical quantities (due to their fundamental research in electrical engineering) - from there.


            Surprisingly, only Britain has scientists ... wassat

            For some reason, money from half of the world is taken there


            Seriously? Somehow the reality is a little different. Rather, quite different.

            https://gtmarket.ru/ratings/foreign-direct-investment-index

            There are many gifted people in most developed countries, it all depends on spending on science and the level of research organization. But many of our people fail to realize themselves at home (the economy and the business climate are not interested in them), as a result, many successful projects have been opened in the USA.


            What was the business climate in the USSR?
            1. 3danimal
              3danimal 5 October 2020 20: 51
              -2
              Surprisingly, only Britain has scientists ... wassat

              No, but you can ask about the number of Nobel laureates in the natural sciences (physics and chemistry), also in many ways their scientists were at the foundations of electrical engineering.
              Seriously? Somehow the reality is a little different. Rather, quite different.

              I didn't say they top the lists. (I was sure without seeing the rating that the first US).
              They are in the top ten. We are in 31st place here.
              What was the business climate in the USSR?

              Disgusting. For showing private initiative and starting a business - a criminal article. Citizens should be as dependent as possible on the socialist state, and so much of its history (a number of indulgences at the beginning and at the end of the Union's existence do not count, the economy was already bent over and tried to fix at least something).
              A separate topic is the impossibility for most citizens to work / study abroad.
              As a result, the quality of goods and services is low (you don't like it? Move away, do not delay the line). Despite the fact that many capable people could create everything you need (and at the same time useful jobs): good household appliances, hygiene items (everything was very sad), high-quality clothing and much more. WITHOUT decree of the Council of Ministers.
              1. MMX
                MMX 6 October 2020 14: 44
                0
                No, but you can ask about the number of Nobel laureates in the natural sciences (physics and chemistry), also in many ways their scientists were at the foundations of electrical engineering.


                The leaders are the USA and Germany.
                The British are leaders in the literary (!) Nomination.

                I didn't say they top the lists. (I was sure without seeing the rating that the first US).
                They are in the top ten. We are in 31st place here.


                No, you said that half of the world's money goes to Britain. Figure of speech?
                By the way, ahead of Britain are tiny Singapore and Hong Kong. And with a margin. Given the population size, are they so much smarter than the British ???))

                Disgusting


                And what about science in the USSR?
                1. 3danimal
                  3danimal 6 October 2020 18: 19
                  -1
                  The leaders are the USA and Germany.
                  The British are leaders in the literary (!) Nomination.

                  Difference from Germany for one laureate (in physics). But the USA is out of competition ..
                  Not a figure of speech.
                  For some reason, money from half of the world is brought there, and their budget is four times ours.

                  Singapore and Hong Kong are smarter, more successful, more efficient, Apparently. It would be nice for us to be at least half like that.
                  The bottom line is that the British are definitely not drawn to the "cripples".
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                  2. MMX
                    MMX 7 October 2020 14: 25
                    0
                    Difference from Germany for one laureate (in physics).


                    Bad Germany wassat

                    Singapore and Hong Kong are smarter, more successful, more efficient, Apparently. It would be nice for us to be at least half like that.


                    To us, who is this?

                    It would be nice for us to be at least half like that


                    Great Britain is a great country with great culture and history. But the USSR quickly caught up with and surpassed the British in all respects.
                    1. 3danimal
                      3danimal 9 October 2020 06: 40
                      0
                      Great Britain is a great country with great culture and history. But the USSR quickly caught up with and surpassed the British in all respects.

                      All over? Hardly. If you start to disassemble, you will have to adjust your position for "basic".
                      To us, who is this?

                      Russian Federation, and who else?
                    2. MMX
                      MMX 9 October 2020 16: 10
                      0
                      All over? Hardly. If you start to disassemble, you will have to adjust your position for "basic".

                      The science. Education. Economy. Warfare. Politics. Culture. Healthcare.
                      For all these points. Have you forgotten anything?

                      Russian Federation, and who else?


                      If we compare with Singapore and Hong Kong, I disagree. Our geopolitical situation is much more complicated and therefore they need to learn from us.
                    3. 3danimal
                      3danimal 9 October 2020 18: 33
                      0

                      If we compare with Singapore and Hong Kong, I disagree. Our geopolitical situation is much more complicated and therefore they need to learn from us.

                      Initially compared with Britain. They have investments of $ 50 billion, we have $ 10. They would not have invested extra 40, 15% of our modest (for a large country) budget, after all.

                      The science. Education. Economy. Warfare. Politics. Culture. Healthcare.
                      For all these points.

                      “For all” and “for all of these (7s)” is slightly different.
                      How did you assess the culture? You can compare in how many countries Magomayev was listened to, and in how many The Beatles or Queen.
                      In military affairs .. It depends where. The British were able to carry out a naval and landing operation 10000 km from their territory (modern). Our fleet did not distinguish itself in military operations under the USSR.
                      You can compare household appliances and musical instruments, audio systems.
  • spectr
    spectr 5 October 2020 09: 22
    +1
    It could be anything. The Turks could give a look at the documentation for the S-400.
    1. eklmn
      eklmn 5 October 2020 22: 06
      -2
      "It could be anything."
      No, not everything. The F-35 has real-time radar sensors / analyzers. Earlier, 3-4 years ago, having recorded the data of the locators, they were deciphered on the ground and the process took a lot of time. About 2-3 years ago I read that a small company (12 people, from the USA or England - I don't remember) has developed a microprocessor that decodes the characteristics of radar radiation in real time. Real !!!
      The company was bought by the military.
      So the pessimism / disbelief of the forum that England is not able to decode the S-400 radiation by mistake.
      1. spectr
        spectr 6 October 2020 09: 31
        0
        Only 400 locators are not included for border protection. There are simpler locators on duty. And they could get information about the 400s from Syria or from the Turks.
  • NEXUS
    NEXUS 5 October 2020 09: 48
    +2
    Quote: YOUR
    Blessed is he who believes, it is easy for him in the world.

    As in that joke about auto-training ... I don't want to poop, I don't want to poop ... I don't shit .. I don't shit .. I don't shit. wassat
  • Cananecat
    Cananecat 5 October 2020 22: 52
    0
    British scientists once again found out, in order to kill a Russian cockroach, one slipper is not enough ... two slippers are not enough ... three slippers are not enough ... then they found out that they did not have enough hands to hold slippers ... in the end British scientists dropped their hands when a Russian cockroach brought a family ...
  • nnm
    nnm 5 October 2020 07: 35
    14
    Well, a hole in our air defense system after the 90s is the sea, especially from the north, but the fact that after a dozen flights they opened the capabilities of our entire system - well, it is very doubtful. Moreover, if it were so, it would not have been shouted about, but kept in secret until the moment of the attack.
    And so it looks more like self-promotion.
    1. Vita vko
      Vita vko 5 October 2020 08: 57
      +3
      Quote: nnm
      And so it looks more like self-promotion

      This is anti-advertising. Too long a queue was formed from those wishing to purchase the S-400, so the Anglo-Saxons are trying. In addition, the endless provocations near the Russian borders must somehow be justified in front of their voters and taxpayers.
      In principle, this information has nothing to do with intelligence obtained as a result of provocations of reconnaissance aircraft near the borders of Russia. Combat work manuals always take into account the peculiarities of combat work when spy planes fly over. Therefore, it is extremely doubtful that the British and Americans were able to at least once record the inclusion of the S-400 radiation, because if they recorded it, it would be the last 2 minutes of the flight in their lives. Now they are simply driven with the help of old Su-27s according to the guidance data of the same obsolete radars such as 5n84 or P-37. And if the British managed to find any positions of the S-400, then with a high probability they are false.
  • FenH
    FenH 5 October 2020 07: 36
    21
    Warhead 1Mt in London eliminates all identified holes in the air defense
    1. Zoldat_A
      Zoldat_A 5 October 2020 09: 05
      +4
      Quote: FenH
      Warhead 1Mt in London eliminates all identified holes in the air defense

      It was not for nothing that Putin spoke about "decision-making centers."
      Jumping - how will they carry out the decision to patrol if there is no one to make decisions? wink
    2. 3danimal
      3danimal 9 October 2020 19: 48
      -1
      Do you agree that a nuclear attack on the capital should at least have similar consequences for the enemy? (No double standards)
      The British have 300 warheads on 4 strategic nuclear submarines "Vanguard", which will cover a very strong (the US Navy is removed from the comparison) and quite modern fleet. Nothing will stop them from shooting at the aggressor. The question is: is the dubious pleasure of the news of destruction and loss of life in London worth it if the cost is Moscow's death? The question is rhetorical, this is the essence of nuclear deterrence.
      1. FenH
        FenH 10 October 2020 06: 19
        0
        Quote: 3danimal
        Do you agree that a nuclear attack on the capital should at least have similar consequences for the enemy? (No double standards)
        The British have 300 warheads on 4 strategic nuclear submarines "Vanguard", which will cover a very strong (the US Navy is removed from the comparison) and quite modern fleet. Nothing will stop them from shooting at the aggressor. The question is: is the dubious pleasure of the news of destruction and loss of life in London worth it if the cost is Moscow's death? The question is rhetorical, this is the essence of nuclear deterrence.

        If you have someone to answer. So it's better to try than piss and are afraid of getting a reply. Yes, and Moscow is covered with something, which Londonobad can only dream of winkAnd the Russians, in joy, will tear three button accordions, too much rot in London, the rot has settled and they have been spoiling us for too long
        1. 3danimal
          3danimal 10 October 2020 15: 50
          0
          If there is someone to answer.

          Submarines are invulnerable to the first strike (provided that they are not standing at the pier but patrolling).
          So it's better to try than to piss and are afraid of getting a reply.

          Are you young or you don't have children of your own? The responsibility goes off scale request
          Yes, and Moscow is covered with something that Londonobad can only dream of wink

          Not a single missile defense system can cope with a massive bombardment of nuclear warheads (300 pieces, let me remind you). Moreover, some can be blown up in the air to blind and burn electronics.
          And the Russians, in joy, will tear three button accordions, too much rot in London, the rot has settled and they have been spoiling us for too long
          .
          Not in cities hit by retaliation. There they will flee from radioactive rubble, die from wounds and burns. Do you even imagine what it is ??
          Again the question: do you, apparently, have no children of your own?
  • Fedor Sokolov
    Fedor Sokolov 5 October 2020 07: 37
    +7
    The Anglo-Saxons have become completely insolent, constantly jackals at our borders, checking the reaction of our means of detecting air targets, and then they call Russia aggressive and impose sanctions against us.
    1. SSR
      SSR 5 October 2020 08: 36
      +7
      Quote: Fyodor Sokolov
      Anglo-Saxons have become completely insolent constantly jackals at our borders

      The Anglo-Saxons lived well, plundered peoples and countries and lived richly without need, then they lost their colonies, then inflated financial bubbles and the displacement of financial centers in the Asia-Pacific region further infringed upon their welfare. There are no resources, the high-tech sector is beginning to shrink due to the rapid development of the Asia-Pacific countries and they have nowhere to climb for resources except to the East, and maybe if Eastern Europe is kindled, they will be able to get some dividends and sharpen their extinction, so they flutter.
      1. 3danimal
        3danimal 9 October 2020 20: 01
        0
        Empires were overseas (Britain, France) and territorially integrated. An example of the latter is Austria-Hungary, the Ottoman Empire, the Russian Empire. The latter were also not examples of meekness; they were expanded by conquests. In the 20th century, they lost part of their territories and status, having undergone organizational and legal changes.
        So is Britain. At one time there were strong moods like: we will preserve the empire in the name of glorious achievements of the past, etc. But in the end, the colonies were released, having established good relations with the current countries of the British commonwealth (Canada, Australia, New Zealand and a number of others), where nominally Queen Elizabeth II is still present. But local elected prime ministers rule.
        Resources ... Tell us how Japan without resources is the 3rd economy in the world and has six times our budget? There is not a single country in the top ten economy where the bulk of the budget revenues are from the sale of raw materials. Do you understand?
    2. hydrox
      hydrox 5 October 2020 08: 47
      +1
      It's time to get used to it and respond in kind, focusing on the "fake" nature of the Western media and sue these scoundrels all the time.
  • Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 5 October 2020 07: 38
    14
    Of course it's a herbivore! (Quote from the cartoon) ... There is nothing to be afraid of the S-400. I bought an F-35 and you can not be afraid, fly where you want, bombs, whoever you want ... What a "thin" advertisement ... badly taken? tongue
    1. Zoldat_A
      Zoldat_A 5 October 2020 09: 13
      0
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      I bought an F-35 and you can not be afraid, fly where you want, bombs, whoever you want ... What a "thin" advertisement ... badly taken? tongue

      Imagine America's pink dream - there is only F-35 in the whole world. And everything was bought from America - this is the key.
      There will be nothing - no cinema, no theater, no books, no newspapers. One solid television. ...
      Poor Rudik ...

      And what will they do when there is no one to sell the F-35 - everyone except Russia has an F-35? Will the whole world be transferred to the F-55?
  • Egoza
    Egoza 5 October 2020 07: 38
    +6
    They calm people down with fairy tales. and then you can ask for money for planes
  • askort154
    askort154 5 October 2020 07: 43
    13
    Or is the identification of "holes" and "blocking" of the S-400 nothing more than a fantasy of the NI team of authors?

    The question mark was in vain. It is foolish to believe that when approaching the Russian borders of their scouts,
    Air defense urgently include the S-400. As a rule, the opposite is true - a "silence" mode is introduced, and their flights are tracked from the moment of takeoff from airfields, by satellite systems and other long-distance communication systems.
    1. huntsman650
      huntsman650 5 October 2020 08: 10
      0
      The radar stations of the circular view are working, probably. On peaceful "waves".
      1. Crimean partisan 1974
        Crimean partisan 1974 5 October 2020 10: 11
        -1
        The radar stations of the circular view are working, probably. On peaceful "waves" ...... in figs bathe. turned on the resource in the net and track it, all civilian and combat trackers work to track if the area is missing
    2. DominickS
      DominickS 5 October 2020 15: 29
      0
      They can only reveal the frequencies of "peacetime", which for sure, and so everyone knows who needs it. Surveillance radars work constantly. You do not need to "turn on" them. Unless, to replace faulty units or carry out maintenance, while they are being replaced by a hot reserve.
  • Pashhenko Nikolay
    Pashhenko Nikolay 5 October 2020 07: 50
    -7
    Somehow, everyone self-confidently scoffs at the article. But in Turkey there is a copy that can really be studied up and down. Or does someone have direct confidence that the Turks will not share information with their NATO colleagues?
    1. nnm
      nnm 5 October 2020 07: 55
      +6
      The export version, as I understand it, is initially supplied in a stripped-down version. And the question is precisely in opening the entire system, in managing it, interaction, response time, etc. It is not enough to know the performance characteristics of a separate sample - you need to understand what it will be most capable of with clever command in capable hands.
      And with this, as I understand it, the Turks have big problems - they write a lot about the fact that without our specialists the Turks could not integrate the s400 into their air defense system.
      1. Pashhenko Nikolay
        Pashhenko Nikolay 5 October 2020 08: 06
        -9
        Well, there was no information about the cut-down of the s-400. And about the problems of the Turks, I did not really notice them when working both against the Armenian air defense system and in Libya and Syria. And in a real battle the s-400 has not yet shown itself. And who knows what kind of pitfalls may arise.
        1. Airdefense
          Airdefense 5 October 2020 08: 14
          +1
          For that, the Turks noticed especially in Syria, after which the proud Sutan had to fly to Moscow to negotiate peace and leave Assad with fire control over strategic routes.
          1. Pashhenko Nikolay
            Pashhenko Nikolay 5 October 2020 08: 32
            -3
            I do not even know what you mean. Assad's offensive, he stopped. The Italian zone is under his control. That there will be further even God does not know.
            1. Airdefense
              Airdefense 5 October 2020 08: 35
              +2
              The Idlib zone was significantly reduced, Serakib Erdogan vowed not to give Assad under any circumstances.
              1. g1washntwn
                g1washntwn 5 October 2020 09: 35
                +3
                Quote: Airdefense
                Seraqib Erdogan vowed not to give Assad under any circumstances.

                Well, according to the Kuril Islands, one also swore to himself with a Japanese chik-chik knife ... You can scratch with your tongue as much as you like, it has no bones.
                1. Yngvar
                  Yngvar 5 October 2020 12: 06
                  0
                  Well, firstly, this "one" retired, and secondly, he got in line for a "Far Eastern hectare" ...
            2. Nastia makarova
              Nastia makarova 5 October 2020 10: 08
              -4
              paul idlib turkey lost
        2. Interlocutor
          Interlocutor 5 October 2020 12: 16
          0
          Well, about the cut-down of the S-400, no information was available.

          Sure. Everywhere everyone will write at once. Or do you still think that at exhibitions, on information boards, new missile weapons, the figures are relevant? Let's just say, there are verified check numbers. (Figures without tension).
        3. ZEMCH
          ZEMCH 5 October 2020 15: 22
          0
          During the tests, all operating modes of the complex were checked for all possible and promising targets, and when jamming our electronic warfare
          About the combat frequencies of the radar station, no one will tell you how and what is cut in the complexes delivered to Turkey
    2. leks
      leks 5 October 2020 07: 57
      +3
      So they are already studying, NATO and Amerovskie specialists.
    3. Oleg123219307
      Oleg123219307 5 October 2020 07: 58
      0
      Quote: Pashhenko Nikolay
      Somehow, everyone self-confidently scoffs at the article. But in Turkey there is a copy that can really be studied up and down. Or does someone have direct confidence that the Turks will not share information with their NATO colleagues?

      Well, let them study, how will it help them? RCS will drastically decrease or will an aircraft with a live pilot on 30G be taught to maneuver? NATO has systems comparable in efficiency, the same THAAD, so the technologies of the export version are unlikely to give them something fundamentally new, the only question is that for the price of one THAAD you can buy three S400 regiments, which is why NATO has few such systems , but in order to repeat this advantage, the gentlemen from NATO will not have to study the Turkish S400, but our entire military-industrial complex ...
      1. ZEMCH
        ZEMCH 5 October 2020 15: 33
        0
        Quote: oleg123219307
        NATO has systems comparable in efficiency, the same THAAD

        THHAD is not an air defense system, it is an anti-missile system. Does not work for low-flying targets.
        1. Oleg123219307
          Oleg123219307 5 October 2020 16: 09
          -1
          Quote: ZEMCH
          Quote: oleg123219307
          NATO has systems comparable in efficiency, the same THAAD

          THHAD is not an air defense system, it is an anti-missile system. Does not work for low-flying targets.

          As unnecessary. They have a different concept of air defense / missile defense. In principle, this is a matter more of software than hardware, but THAAD is so expensive that its use is economically justified only in the case of working on ICBMs ...
          1. ZEMCH
            ZEMCH 5 October 2020 16: 13
            0
            Quote: oleg123219307
            but THAAD is so expensive that its use is economically justified only in the case of ICBM operations ...

            I agree. It is believed that only ICBMs will get them behind the puddles, but they somehow forgot about the long-range missile defense)))
            1. Oleg123219307
              Oleg123219307 5 October 2020 17: 46
              0
              Quote: ZEMCH
              I agree. It is believed that only ICBMs will get them behind the puddles, but they somehow forgot about the long-range missile defense)))

              Well, that was not so far away ... Then our nuclear scientists put a pig on the gentlemen from behind a puddle ...
  • Prisoner
    Prisoner 5 October 2020 07: 51
    +3
    Looks like it became very tight with the pairing of Patriots and F-35x.
  • Ros 56
    Ros 56 5 October 2020 07: 53
    +1
    Is it all highlighted in style? Let them not forget that they are hitting in the face, and not in the passport (in the sense, in the written nonsense). And for this, a pair of Tu-160 will be quite enough and there will be an uninhabited island, but not reopened, but re-closed. negative
  • SeregaBoss
    SeregaBoss 5 October 2020 07: 55
    +2
    Everything is clear, understandable.
    From the series "British Scientists" proved ...
  • Hog
    Hog 5 October 2020 07: 55
    +1
    Not well, in principle, right, send a hundred other planes, someone will break through anyway.
  • leks
    leks 5 October 2020 07: 55
    0
    In vain all the same to the Turks with 400 sold oh in vain.
    Erdogan will again stick a knife in his back and spit.
  • silberwolf88
    silberwolf88 5 October 2020 07: 59
    +2
    another opus by British scientists ... well, what advice ... send planes to Moscow and check empirically ... practice is the criterion of truth)) ... in general, the flag is in their hands
    1. DymOk_v_dYmke
      DymOk_v_dYmke 5 October 2020 08: 18
      +1
      Quote: silberwolf88
      Well, what advice ... send planes to Moscow and check empirically ... practice is the criterion of truth)) ... in general, the flag is in their hands

      Maybe such a check would be useful for us too.
      Well, as a reminder of Rust ... hi
      1. hydrox
        hydrox 5 October 2020 08: 55
        0
        Then take the An-2 and try it yourself. laughing
  • Dikson
    Dikson 5 October 2020 07: 59
    -2
    Patience and work will grind everything .. - the massive and constant furrowing of the air space in the immediate vicinity of our borders will sooner or later bear fruit and will certainly reveal weaknesses and gaps .. All terribly malicious commentators - you have a fresh example of Karabakh with the Wasp and UAVs does not say anything? The air defense complex, quite new, turned out to be unable to deal with the equipment of the 2nd world level ... In the situation with the British and the S-400 .. The Turks have long disassembled their kit on cogs for sure .. together with other specialists from NATO .. ​​C S-300 Israelis figured it out, right? Did you find the keys to it? So they will find the S-400 ... No need to build illusions for yourself, thinking that the enemy and an unwise person is illiterate ...
    1. Maverick1812
      Maverick1812 5 October 2020 08: 18
      -1
      Absolutely correct observation. Urya-patriots do not teach history at all! Enough to be engaged in hat-making. Syria and now Karabakh have shown that not everything is so smooth!
      Some are going to bomb Albion so straight! Who. excuse me to bomb, and who? Our "winners of the Pechenegs"? So they have palaces and children there!
      Do not look at putivizor, think with your own head!
      1. Snail N9
        Snail N9 5 October 2020 08: 27
        -2
        Now the saying has been changed: "Against a swarm of drones, no reception." The S-400 and other air defense systems are corny crushed by the massive use of drones, and not even in a controlled version - against little mobile and semi-stationary complexes, there are enough programmable drones that can be programmed in a swarm by a few "leading" drones with AI elements - try to calculate them. Drones can be launched en masse from ships, submarines and even airplanes ... or even easier from the territory of different, former "brothers" and "friends" who surrounded our country along the perimeter ....
        1. hydrox
          hydrox 5 October 2020 08: 59
          0
          A rather hasty statement: modern drone-powered shotguns nullify the advantage of the "drone flock" (unless the drones are suicide bombers).
    2. akarfoxhound
      akarfoxhound 5 October 2020 08: 22
      +3
      What keys did the Jews find for the S-300? Pounding with distant AURs without entering the complex's coverage area or pounding on objects that are not part of the cover task?
      1. Dikson
        Dikson 5 October 2020 08: 30
        -1
        What do you think is this if not the devaluation of air defense systems? As a result, the Syrian S-300 is gathering dust in the desert, and the Israelis are beating them with rockets wherever they want .. In my opinion, this is just like the story with the S-400 and the British .. In the same way, they touch real coverage areas, look for passages at the joints. ..
    3. KCA
      KCA 5 October 2020 08: 33
      +4
      Is this "Wasp" a new complex? Nyunu, the release of the last modification was discontinued in 1988, only Belarusians are serially carrying out modernization, I doubt that modernized Wasps in Armenia
      1. Dikson
        Dikson 5 October 2020 11: 31
        -2
        In 88 you say? Well, well .. SAM of the very height of the Cold War is not able to shoot down a propeller-driven aircraft at a speed lower than that of the Yak-3? What is it generally called in your opinion? ))) Yes, let him be at least 72 years old ..))) Shilka would have done better with the task than such an air defense system ..
        1. KCA
          KCA 5 October 2020 11: 38
          -1
          With the proper skill and dexterity of the air defense missile system crew, it is possible to knock out the Pantsir-S, as experts from Syria show, who left the Pantsir in the middle of the runway with an end of ammunition and simply left, in such a situation it would be enough, not even the Yak-3, but Farman from the First World War
        2. DominickS
          DominickS 5 October 2020 15: 51
          0
          Lol, but the fact that the EPR of the UAV, to put it mildly, will be many times less than that of the Yak-3, you decided to tactfully keep silent, right?
    4. Mitroha
      Mitroha 5 October 2020 08: 35
      +3
      The air defense complex, quite new, turned out to be unable to deal with equipment of the level 2 - world

      Excuse me, what are you talking about now?
      1. kit88
        kit88 5 October 2020 08: 51
        15
        Well, how about what.
        The comrade is sure that Osa is the latest development of the Russian military-industrial complex, and drones were massively used during WWII. request
        1. Dikson
          Dikson 5 October 2020 11: 36
          -2
          kit, you really can't read? ))) What's the difference, what year is this development, if it can’t solve a simple problem? ))) And where did you see about drones in World War II?
          1. DominickS
            DominickS 5 October 2020 15: 58
            +1
            You yourself said about "technology of the Second World War". Now tell everyone, where in the 40s did you find a small-sized, remotely controlled aircraft equipped with powerful optics, night vision equipment, electronic warfare and guided missiles?
            1. Dikson
              Dikson 5 October 2020 18: 44
              0
              Only after you tell how the remote control of the UAV, its optical equipment, guided projectiles ... affect the ability of the same wasp to shoot down such a pepelats flying at a speed of 300 km per hour .. If the OSA cannot shoot down THIS ... - why was it even accepted into service? For parades? ))) Are the hotheads from the S-400 going to work on such goals?
    5. ZEMCH
      ZEMCH 5 October 2020 15: 37
      0
      Quote: Dikson
      Patience and work will grind everything .. - the massive and constant furrowing of the air space in the immediate vicinity of our borders will sooner or later bear fruit and will certainly reveal weaknesses and gaps .. All terribly malicious commentators - you have a fresh example of Karabakh with the Wasp and UAVs does not say anything? The air defense complex, quite new, turned out to be unable to deal with the equipment of the 2nd world level ... In the situation with the British and the S-400 .. The Turks have long disassembled their kit on cogs for sure .. together with other specialists from NATO .. ​​C S-300 Israelis figured it out, right? Did you find the keys to it? So they will find the S-400 ... No need to build illusions for yourself, thinking that the enemy and an unwise person is illiterate ...

      The S-400 radar in peacetime works in a passive mode, surveillance radars are enough to control the airspace, I do not know how they tested the S-400. Send a spy with the equipment for testing, it will help. But this is no longer done by planes)))
  • Svetlana
    Svetlana 5 October 2020 08: 00
    +4
    They fly and find out the radar coverage formed by the stations on duty and constantly operating. This is yes. But where are these or those anti-aircraft systems? And what exactly the Russian military is seeing is also unknown except for the military.
    1. huntsman650
      huntsman650 5 October 2020 08: 12
      +1
      They take it on show!
  • KVU-NSVD
    KVU-NSVD 5 October 2020 08: 06
    +2
    Right here Britain took and revealed? Are the British the foremost technical intelligence officers on our borders? They took everything and opened it like that? I demand proof from British scientists .. winked
    1. kit88
      kit88 5 October 2020 08: 52
      11
      Their gentlemen take their word for it.
  • steelmaker
    steelmaker 5 October 2020 08: 08
    +3
    Here is a nation of zatsev. Nobody touches them. They run up themselves. Here is a lesson for our contemporaries. Enemies cannot be re-educated, they must always be finished off!
  • rocket757
    rocket757 5 October 2020 08: 08
    +3
    Calm, breeder, for internal use ...
    Who else can be put in a row with British scientists, politicians, military? Their experts from intelligence ???
    It looks like it will stand out, there is no one else to join this row.
    PS on the topic ... there is no absolutely impenetrable air defense, there are not enough offensive weapons!
    All the same, you won't check, you won't find out! But there are no people willing to check it, because it is SCARY!
  • Olddetractor
    Olddetractor 5 October 2020 08: 12
    +2
    In particular, it is pointed out that "the revealed gaps" allow the fifth generation F-35 fighters to approach the borders of Russia, remaining unnoticed

    And you can't shoot them down, because they are invisible! Antiscience fixation by Dmitry Simes
  • aszzz888
    aszzz888 5 October 2020 08: 13
    +2

    In particular, it is pointed out that "the revealed gaps" allow the fifth generation F-35 fighters to approach the borders of Russia, remaining unnoticed
    Facts in the studio! And the "hole" in the head of the impudent! laughing
  • Daniil Konovalenko
    Daniil Konovalenko 5 October 2020 08: 15
    0
    The first conclusions after studying the S-400 delivered to Turkey? laughing
  • akarfoxhound
    akarfoxhound 5 October 2020 08: 18
    +1
    It looks like Goebbels' nonsense, tryndyat selflessly.
    The situation is like in the Odessa joke
    "-Izya, and when you are not, do you know what nasty things they say about you?
    -I beg you, when I am not - let them even beat me! "
  • Pacifist
    Pacifist 5 October 2020 08: 24
    +2
    Segmented consciousness is such a funny thing. As in "Gentlemen of Fortune", I remember here, I don't remember here. Those. the fact that we warned Iran about the approach to their borders of the F-35, according to the radars located from the point of events about 2500 thousand km, they do not remember, but they remember about the S-400, but for some reason they believe that they work alone. Well, well ... indeed, blessed is he who believes, then his ass hurts the most and the bruises take longer.
  • thinker
    thinker 5 October 2020 08: 25
    0
    Is this nothing more than a fantasy of the NI writing team?
    Classic British Style - "Highley Likely"
    If true, then we can conclude .... Now the question is, is the RAF really found flaws in the S-400 that would allow the F-35 and other stealth aircraft to maintain their stealth advantage.
    https://inosmi.ru/military/20201002/248234642.html
  • APASUS
    APASUS 5 October 2020 08: 33
    +4
    In particular, it is pointed out that "identified gaps" allow the fifth generation fighters F-35,

    Again these tales of the superiority of the F-35 of everything and everyone. Now the Allies have connected to advertising to justify their costs.
    1. g1washntwn
      g1washntwn 5 October 2020 09: 41
      +1
      After a couple of days in the media: The rains washed the F-35's expensive stealth cover into the Thames. Give money not unscheduled maintenance.
  • evgen1221
    evgen1221 5 October 2020 08: 33
    0
    In principle, the way to block anything is simple - to throw meat at once.
  • Crabong
    Crabong 5 October 2020 08: 37
    -3
    You shouldn't laugh! Don't mistake them for stupid. Forgot how Rust landed on Red Square?
    1. silberwolf88
      silberwolf88 5 October 2020 09: 15
      0
      no need to juggle the one-day here, you are our on the site ... Rust landed due to the paralysis of decision-making during the hump / traitor ... and not at all because of the weakness of the air defense
      For all sofa air defense experts ... it is used and built in echelon ... these are shells (the answer to drones and other trifles) the average radius and the C400 itself ... plus electronic warfare systems (and by the way optics too) and much more ... pulse EMP sources disable the electronics of any Drones (already tested to protect the facilities of Rosatom and other chemical plants) ... and no matter what a huge swarm there ...
      1. Crabong
        Crabong 5 October 2020 13: 43
        -2
        Well done. A medal for you stupid-multi-day! It is clear that we have strength and means. But the Anglo-Saxons are dangerous to underestimate. That's what I mean.
    2. Gust
      Gust 5 October 2020 09: 27
      +3
      Rusta saw the air defense, but she could not make a decision to intercept / destroy quickly, because the person in charge went to visit another unit. Time was lost, the target was gone (I heard from the air defense personnel)
      1. Crabong
        Crabong 5 October 2020 13: 49
        -2
        No need to write stupid nonsense. The bottom line is that the organizers of that provocation knew the location of the main radar fields, the operating modes of the subunits and competently used a low-speed, unobtrusive machine. Attempts to identify the target were made, but nothing came of it, and nothing to do with the hunchback. The conclusion is, as I initially wrote - this probable enemy is competent and advanced and should not be underestimated.
        1. Gust
          Gust 5 October 2020 16: 55
          0
          Quote: Krabong
          No need to write stupid nonsense.

          Here is an interesting description, albeit with inaccuracies.
          https://topwar.ru/34811-hronologiya-poleta-matiasa-rusta.html
          He could have been shot down several times, and only fantastic luck and carelessness of air defense calculations after the border made it possible to complete the route. By the way, he didn't fly around anything and didn't hide much.
          1. Crabong
            Crabong 5 October 2020 17: 27
            -1
            Still, I disagree. I think that the factor of chance has been minimized. The breakthrough highlights were taken into account, incl. weather. Those. to shoot it down, in fact, there was nothing to capture it, nor the air defense aviation (including because of the weather). Just as always, they were preparing for the last war, no one could have imagined that Cessna could fly to Moscow.
            So, as if I did not want to consider the S-400 a panacea - it is not. And the breakthrough of inconspicuous CDs is a very real threat.
  • Hagen
    Hagen 5 October 2020 08: 37
    +1
    In particular, it is pointed out that "the identified gaps" allow the fifth generation F-35 fighters to approach the borders of Russia, remaining unnoticed.

    Translated into Russian, this means - "The F-35 is an excellent car, we must not skimp and buy it again and again. Money is spent on defense efficiently, there are excellent results. But we must also add ...."
  • Retvizan 8
    Retvizan 8 5 October 2020 08: 39
    +1
    I suspect that the American edition of the NI (National Interest) has a target audience in the form of stupid, pimply American teenagers, otherwise, where else can such naivety turn into stupidity!
    What does the C400 have to do with it? The task of tracking flying objects approaching the borders of Russia is generally a function assigned to numerous radar stations.
    Don't worry, if a rocket doesn't come from the ground, you can always get yourself a salvo from a Russian air defense fighter in your stern! laughing
  • Paul zewike
    Paul zewike 5 October 2020 08: 40
    +2
    I wonder how they realized they had gone unnoticed?
  • Tagan
    Tagan 5 October 2020 08: 48
    +1
    Quote: Snail N9
    Now the saying has been changed: "Against a swarm of drones, no reception." S-400 and other air defense corny choke on the massive use of drones

    It is trite when the drones are directed to the territory of some banana republic, trying only to defend itself, because mass use can turn into a reciprocal point effect and it is not a fact that it is in the places of deployment or control of these very magical drones. And the electronic warfare means will probably be partially filtered out.
  • Vitaly Tsymbal
    Vitaly Tsymbal 5 October 2020 09: 21
    +1
    Let them check the gaps with practice ... Britain is a rich country: one more plane, one less - does not matter. That's the number of discoveries by English scientists - yes !!!! Here we have not just holes, but a huge hole)))
  • Ivan Tixiy
    Ivan Tixiy 5 October 2020 09: 23
    0
    Britain is now able to mostly "pump" the US
  • Polite Moose
    Polite Moose 5 October 2020 09: 40
    0
    Great Britain can "block" Russian S-400 air defense systems by increasing the number of patrols near the borders of the Russian Federation

    On this occasion, the leader of the world proletariat would say the following: "Comrades, I will eat my cap if the British imperialists succeed in realizing the principle of pegogo of quantity into quality."
  • iouris
    iouris 5 October 2020 10: 46
    -1
    "And there is a hole in the old woman" ... And the holes - in the mind?
  • Slon_on
    Slon_on 5 October 2020 11: 14
    +1
    So what is the Englishwoman crap again? About 100 years ago, they tried to attack the ships of the Baltic Fleet in Kronstadt. The wreckage of torpedo boats are on display at the Naval Museum in St. Petersburg.
    1. iouris
      iouris 5 October 2020 12: 18
      -1
      Unfortunately, the "Englishwoman" is not even needed.
  • Abrosimov Sergey Olegovich
    Abrosimov Sergey Olegovich 5 October 2020 11: 23
    +1
    Quote: spectr
    It could be anything. The Turks could give a look at the documentation for the S-400.


    A couple of days ago I read information that during the last raids in the Crimea region, NATO reconnaissance aircraft managed to scan the frequencies on which our S-400s operate. Well, now measures will be taken to create electronic warfare equipment in order to jam / complicate the work of the S-400 ...
    Given the reputation and distinctive style of NI, perhaps this was the point?
  • north 2
    north 2 5 October 2020 11: 37
    0
    so why then the Americans were in a panic and so worried when Turkey bought Russian Stems S-400. After all, as here in the article writes, these systems are not effective and who is not lazy, he can block them ... But in fact, the Americans were in a panic because of the problems completely on the contrary, that The -400 can unravel and block the use of the latest generation of American aircraft with the most advanced technology.
  • Alexander Dubinin
    Alexander Dubinin 5 October 2020 12: 31
    0
    A hole - oops! , and there is a trap
  • tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 5 October 2020 12: 33
    -1
    Here the specialists gave out the number of anti-aircraft complexes of 300 and 400 on the western borders, after these figures I am absolutely calm. They say that 400 ku are fighting in three shifts! hi
  • Antokha
    Antokha 5 October 2020 13: 40
    0
    "Identified gaps" allow fifth-generation F-35 fighters to approach Russia's borders without being noticed

    In the event of the downing of at least one such F-35 near the borders of Russia, the reputation losses for the United States will be unacceptable.
    1. AML
      AML 5 October 2020 19: 20
      0
      But this still has to be proved. This will most likely be passed off as a collision with a flock of birds, a direct meteorite hit, or the absence of a pilot. :)
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  • rotkiv04
    rotkiv04 5 October 2020 22: 42
    -1
    In terms of intelligence, the British military, like British scientists, write all kinds of