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Pashinyan: If you do not influence Ankara, then the Turkish army will stand at the walls of Vienna as under Sultan Suleiman

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The Prime Minister of Armenia made a statement on the ongoing armed conflict. He traditionally assigned all responsibility for the hostilities to the enemy, adding once again that the Azerbaijani army is supported by pro-Turkish militants, as well as by Turkish regular military personnel. It should be reminded that earlier Nikol Pashinyan stated that the actual command of the Azerbaijani troops in the zone of the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict is carried out by 150 Turkish officers.


This time Nikol Pashinyan said that the Turkish-Azerbaijani troops set themselves the main task - "Armenians", guided by "Ankara's imperialist policy."

Pashinyan:

The Armenians in the South Caucasus are the last barrier that prevents Turkish expansion further than the region's territory. Turkey's expansionist policy extends to other regions as well. Look at Turkish actions in the Mediterranean, Libya, Syria, Iraq.

Pashinyan called on the international community to influence Ankara and added that if this does not happen, then "the Turkish army, as in the days of Sultan Suleiman, will stand at the walls of Vienna."

For reference: Suleiman I (1494-1566), nicknamed the Magnificent - the tenth sultan of the Ottoman Empire. In 1529 he took Buda (the capital of Hungary), laid siege to Vienna and invaded Bavaria. Suleiman's troops failed to take Vienna, but in the end the Austrians were still forced to pay tribute to the Ottomans. In 1552 he took Yerevan.

Meanwhile, the press secretary of the Armenian Defense Ministry Shushan Stepanyan published footage showing the ongoing hostilities in the zone of the armed conflict.



The caption to the footage indicates that the destruction of vehicles carrying Azerbaijani soldiers was captured.
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  1. demo
    demo 5 October 2020 07: 04
    -41 qualifying.
    In our mad age, nothing can be denied.
    So you need to listen to Pashinyan's words.
    1. Graz
      Graz 5 October 2020 07: 13
      74
      a person simply wants to solve the problems of his people at the expense of others. nothing more, for example, did he and his supporters remember a lot about Russia and in what vein before all these problems?
      1. hrych
        hrych 5 October 2020 08: 00
        22
        Quote: Graz
        solve the problems of their people at the expense of others

        Naturally. But Pashinyan certainly exaggerated the role of Armenia in the world. Nobody will notice the disappearance of Armenia wassat And was she? The territory was divided by Russians, Turks and Persians. And before that, the Romans, Macedonians and ... Persians. And there was the USSR, created a national republic and collapsed. This is how statehood fell from the sky. So what? Have not yet had time to really separate, let's arrange a massacre. Therefore, both Armenia and Azerbaijan proved that there should not be such states.
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 5 October 2020 08: 31
          +8
          Quote: hrych
          But Pashinyan certainly exaggerated the role of Armenia in the world. Nobody will even notice the disappearance of Armenia. Was it even there?

          There was Armenia, but when the Turks captured 2/3 of Armenia along with Mount Ararat, nobody noticed this until now, at least out of 10 people know about it no more than one.
          1. Temples
            Temples 5 October 2020 09: 19
            17
            Quote: tihonmarine
            Armenia was

            Yeah, and Kazakhstan was and Tajikistan and the rest were. But there were only republics in the USSR. These republics were cut by the communists.
            Quote: tihonmarine
            the Turks captured 2/3 of Armenia along with Mount Ararat,

            You're lying.

            Information is available and no one hides the realities:

            After the collapse of the Russian Empire in the territory of the Erivan province and the Kara region in May 1918, an independent state appeared - the Republic of Armenia (or the Ararat Republic), which was ruled by the social democratic party "Dashnaktsutyun".
            In August 1920, the Ottoman government agreed to sign the Sevres Peace Treaty. Thanks to US President Woodrow Wilson, Armenia has a historic chance to annex vast lands in eastern Anatolia with Trebizond, Erzurum and Lake Van. However, this was prevented by the Turkish liberation movement, raised by Mustafa Kemal Ataturk.
            Turks recaptured invading Armenian troops and themselves went on the offensive. At the same time, the RSFSR and the Azerbaijan SSR started the war with the Dashnak Armenia. In December 1920, Armenia's independence came to an end - the Armenian SSR was formed in its place.

            Lenin cut off part of the land to the Turks because he fell for Ataturk, hoping that Turkey would become a republic in the new Soviet state.

            On March 16, 1921, the signing of the "Treaty of Friendship and Brotherhood" took place in Moscow, which established the modern border between Turkey and the Transcaucasian republics.

            Farewell to Ararat and other lands of the empire.

            The Turks did not attack Armenia and did not conquer Ararat.

            Do not lie.

            And a hundred years ago there was the same picture as now - the United States vehemently supported the collapse of the Russian world and the integrity of our country, the Russian Empire.

            Armenians now behave the same way as they did a hundred years ago.

            God willing we will see how Pashinyan and his lisp with the Anglo-Saxons will end.
            1. Temples
              Temples 5 October 2020 09: 41
              +6
              Then the main Turk threw Lenin.
              Banned the communists.
              He said - Glory to Allah, and Turkey since then owns the lands on which both Armenians and Russians used to live.
              Stalin seemed to give a hint about the return in the 45th year. But he was sent. For the English-speaking brothers in reason said that this was their cow.

              And if the Armenians think that they will be able to squeeze out something from the Turks on their own, then they are all Pashinyans there.

              And the Azerbaijanis under the Turkish hat.

              And Pashinyan can only call Soros personally and say that he was deceived.
              1. Alex777
                Alex777 5 October 2020 16: 46
                +1
                He, judging by his appearance, has already called Soros.
                And Soros Pashinyan's answer did not please.
              2. your1970
                your1970 5 October 2020 17: 02
                +6
                Quote: Temples
                Stalin seemed to give a hint about the return in the 45th year. But he was sent.
                - The IVS did not raise such a question, apparently ... otherwise the territory would have returned ...
                The spacecraft entered Iran quite calmly - despite the fact that it was the fiefdom of the British and there were no Russian lands there ...
                So it would be with Turkey - if there was a strategic need for the return of Ararat, they would return without question ...
                And the reason was - "The supply of goods from Turkey played an important role in the German economy. For example, in 1943, Turkey supplied Germany with 46,8 million tons of chrome ore, 17,9 million tons of oil seeds, 17,6 million tons of fish, 9,5, 7,4 million tons of pig iron, XNUMX million tons of copper "
                and the army is not particularly powerful:
                "Ground forces: 20 officers and 000 soldiers, of which 174 infantry divisions, 000 mountain rifle brigades, 20 fortress brigade and 3 cavalry divisions (including 1 spare) were manned. The Air Force consisted of 5 air regiments (2 squadrons each 4 aircraft each) and had 6 aircraft in service "
                So someone sent the IVS somewhere in 1945 - you got very excited lol
                1. Temples
                  Temples 5 October 2020 17: 29
                  -7
                  Quote: your1970
                  - The IVS did not raise such a question, apparently ... otherwise the territory would have returned ...


                  Damn, even wikipedia has it.
                  Vissarionich was sent along with Molotov.

                  "By June 22, 1945, Turkey rejected all the proposals of the USSR and began to defend its positions with the help of Great Britain and the United States. [3] At the sixth meeting of the Potsdam Conference on July 22, 1945, the issue of territorial claims against Turkey was discussed. After the question of Winston Churchill, who was concerned about the course of the Soviet -Turkish negotiations in Moscow, Stalin gave the floor to Molotov, who, having told about the negotiations with Sarper, said [4]:

                  “… On our side there are two issues that should be resolved. The conclusion of a union treaty means that we must jointly defend our borders: the USSR - not only its border, but also the Turkish one, and Turkey - not only its own, but also the Soviet border. However, in some parts we consider the border between the USSR and Turkey to be unfair. Indeed, in 1921, a territory was torn away from Soviet Armenia and Soviet Georgia by Turkey - this is the known territory of the regions of Kars, Artvin and Ardahan. Therefore, I stated that in order to conclude a union treaty, it is necessary to settle the issue of the territory torn away from Georgia and Armenia, to return this territory back to them "
                  - and presented a map of the territorial claims of the USSR.

                  The second most important issue, Molotov identified the problem of the Black Sea Straits, adding: "We have repeatedly stated to our allies that the USSR cannot consider the Montreux Convention correct." At the same time, Molotov made a reservation: "if, however, the Turkish government considers the settlement of both of these issues unacceptable, we are ready to conclude an agreement concerning only the straits." Requirements for the Straits were also presented: revision of the Montreux Convention and the provision of a naval base in the Straits to the USSR. When Churchill asked whether Russia had previously received a fortified base in the straits, Molotov referred to the treaties of 1805 and 1833. The next day, the problem was discussed again, with the participation of Stalin himself, who refuted the thesis about the threat to Turkey from the USSR and informed that the Turks in the Constantinople region had over 20 divisions, possibly 23 or 24 divisions; owning the Straits, a small state, supported by England, "holds the big state by the throat and does not give it a passage" "
                  1. PSih2097
                    PSih2097 5 October 2020 22: 37
                    +4
                    Quote: Temples
                    Damn, even wikipedia has it.
                    Vissarionich was sent along with Molotov.

                    To be honest, Wikipedia is an American project, where even the victims of the exam can edit articles (just register and that's it - you are the ruler of the "past woman named HISTORY") ...
            2. Alex Justice
              Alex Justice 5 October 2020 16: 49
              -6
              These republics were cut by the communists.

              It will take a long time to sort out what the communists have done. In fact, they destroyed great Russia and a quarter of the population.
              1. Essex62
                Essex62 5 October 2020 19: 59
                +3
                It will take a long time to sort out what the bourgeois have done. Destroying the great Soviet Union, destroying the world of justice and equality. Losses in the population, during the years of government, of the baryzhy power are comparable to those in the Second World War. And it's not over yet. There is a second wave of extinction of the elderly population who did not fit into the "Chubais market". Pension reform, similar to genocide, will contribute to this.
              2. PSih2097
                PSih2097 5 October 2020 22: 47
                +3
                Quote: Alex Justice
                These republics were cut by the communists.

                It will take a long time to sort out what the communists have done. In fact, they destroyed great Russia and a quarter of the population.

                And what is the Australian coat of arms on your avatar, you urgently need to change it to some other one (such as Churchill / Chamberlain) and write more about the "crunch of a French roll" and "about Russia, which we have lost" ...
        2. K-612-O
          K-612-O 5 October 2020 09: 13
          -2
          You read the story, at least about Tigran II. The Armenian kingdom was before any Turks. This was grandfather Lenin invented, all sorts of Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan, Belarus, Ukraine and so on, now we are going to clean it all up.
          1. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 5 October 2020 09: 19
            +1
            Quote: K-612-O
            You read the story, at least about Tigran II. The Armenian kingdom was before any Turks.

            Once the city of Kars was founded by the Armenians in the IV century. From 928 to 961 and from 963 to 1065 it was the capital of the Armenian Kingdom, Kars was the capital of Armenia. On November 6, 1877, the Russian army stormed Kars, and for 41 years it was part of Russia - from 1877 to 1918, when Lenin's government handed it over to the Turks under the terms of the "Brest Peace".
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          2. hrych
            hrych 5 October 2020 11: 15
            +7
            You don't know anything. They are Macedonians. Seleucid Antiochus III created a satrapy called Armenia and installed a certain Artaxius as a Seleucid strategist. And the Hayts - the nationality has nothing to do with it, unless under the heel of the Macedonians at that moment were like a bunch of other tribes. And when the Romans piled on Antiochus, the satraps declared independence, including the satrap of Armenia. This Artaxius or Artashes the First became the first king of Armenia. And heresy about his Hai roots does not roll. The Macedonians recaptured this from the Persians earlier, and before that there was no trace of Armenia. And all these Tigranes are descendants of the Macedonian Artaxius. And Great Armenia to the present Armenians in no way, I repeat, a lot of peoples entered there. except for the Highs. For some reason, the Georgian tribes do not heel themselves in the chest, but they are the same slaves of the Macedonians as the Khaits. And especially about Urartu there is no need to scratch, all the more so to the Khaits in any way. So, today's Armenians are the essence of the Hayts. And they were called not by the name of the people, but by the locality. The Azerbaijanis were also named after the territory of the satrapy of Anthropatens. And there were no ancient Armenians, there were Macedonians, the creators of Armenia.
        3. g1v2
          g1v2 5 October 2020 12: 44
          +6
          It reminds me of Petya the pig. He defended Europe from Russia, and this one from Turkey. Straight brothers in mind. laughing
        4. hydrox
          hydrox 5 October 2020 12: 46
          +7
          That's right: The sovereignty of small nations is not worth a 10-million loan, for which small states are sold (or states that have fallen into the Archimedean spiral of the meat grinders of color revolutions).
          ALL states, formed from pieces of the Union, in terms of constitutionality and independence, are not worth the paper on which their Constitutional Act is printed.
          But how much of them VONISM!
          And EVERYONE is trying, fighting back with all four hooves, trying to increase the distance between their antics on stage, trying to sell their sovereignty at a higher price and the means for which their elite is bought - and the elite is being sold - it was the same in the 90s in Russia .. Only there is no stench from a big country :: - just a stench is a sign of not just a small, but also a poor state.
        5. Observer2014
          Observer2014 5 October 2020 18: 58
          +1
          Quote: hrych
          Quote: Graz
          solve the problems of their people at the expense of others

          Naturally. But Pashinyan certainly exaggerated the role of Armenia in the world. Nobody will notice the disappearance of Armenia wassat And was she? The territory was divided by Russians, Turks and Persians. And before that, the Romans, Macedonians and ... Persians. And there was the USSR, created a national republic and collapsed. This is how statehood fell from the sky. So what? Have not yet had time to really separate, let's arrange a massacre. Therefore, both Armenia and Azerbaijan proved that there should not be such states.

          Hrych This, I give you a standing ovation! yes goodThat's right!
      2. Ilya-spb
        Ilya-spb 5 October 2020 09: 00
        11
        Pashinyan is hysterical. He realized that he was leaked.

        1) Peskov's statement (Putin's voice): Russia will introduce peacekeepers, if both Armenia and Azerbaijan agree. Both sides.

        2) Aliyev's statement: negotiations are possible only if Armenia withdraws (or writes a schedule for withdrawal) troops from Nagorno-Karabakh.

        3) Erdogan's statement of full support for Azerbaijan.

        I have a feeling that VV shared the Transcaucasia with the Sultan. And American puppets are scared.

        Georgia next?
        1. spectr
          spectr 5 October 2020 09: 12
          +5
          Rather, on the way to hysterics. Now he makes public statements and is looking for who they may be interested in. Now, if he understands that at the exit zero and Nagorno-Karabakh will be squeezed out, then he will start hysteria because as a politician he may be buried.
          1. hydrox
            hydrox 5 October 2020 13: 25
            +4
            He will be buried not because he is a failed politician, but because he is a traitor to the Union :: that state, thanks to which the Armenians were able to live the last 100 years in the confidence that the 15th year will never happen again.
            So Pashinyan got naked: down with the Russian language, close the Russian schools, jail the Russian politicians.
            Well done! For two years we only lived in relative peace, but it started somewhere downstairs with NK, but it wasn’t enough to figure out a very clear alignment of how it would end, moreover with a GREAT degree of probability.
            And now Nicholas can only leave in disgrace, because without the support of Russia, he is nobody, they will not be called, but they will find this business as lovers like Erdogan for a sweet soul. and the pros like the Mirians who swallow this type of country without chewing!
        2. the finish
          the finish 5 October 2020 09: 38
          -2
          If he shared something not in his favor! He was carried out.
        3. Vol4ara
          Vol4ara 5 October 2020 10: 59
          0
          Quote: Ilya-spb
          Pashinyan is hysterical. He realized that he was leaked.

          1) Peskov's statement (Putin's voice): Russia will introduce peacekeepers, if both Armenia and Azerbaijan agree. Both sides.

          2) Aliyev's statement: negotiations are possible only if Armenia withdraws (or writes a schedule for withdrawal) troops from Nagorno-Karabakh.

          3) Erdogan's statement of full support for Azerbaijan.

          I have a feeling that VV shared the Transcaucasia with the Sultan. And American puppets are scared.

          Georgia next?

          Georgia is next to NATO.
          I wonder what the Americans said to Pashinyan :) it seems to me something like "sorry bro, we can provide a maximum of New Rostov, in Texas, they like foreigners"
          1. PSih2097
            PSih2097 5 October 2020 22: 55
            +1
            Quote: Vol4ara
            Georgia is next to NATO.

            well, yes - for a "couple - three" with Ukraine and Moldova ...
        4. keeper03
          keeper03 5 October 2020 12: 31
          0
          If we share, then half of Turkey is for us! But if they don't want to, then everything! Otherwise, you should not bother! angry soldier
          1. hydrox
            hydrox 5 October 2020 13: 33
            +2
            "We don't need a Turkish coast !!!" (from)
            After a very short time, we will not know what to do with the western skakuas, but if the Turks also cut through in this business, it will just be a guard!
            1. PSih2097
              PSih2097 5 October 2020 22: 59
              0
              Quote: hydrox
              "We don't need a Turkish coast !!!" (from)

              And I would not refuse Russian resorts: Antalya, Belek, Side, Kemer, Goynuk, Kirish, Avsallar, Konakli, Alanya, Mahmutlar, Oludeniz, Dalaman ... Or whatever they call them in the Russian manner.
              1. hydrox
                hydrox 6 October 2020 10: 45
                0
                This is a reasonable approach and is fully implemented through the Black Sea Federal District, but this is not now and not tomorrow, while the sultan must make SUCH a bunch of mistakes (and he is emotional and he will make these mistakes!), But you just need to calmly go through this troubled time on the right political note and choose a good moment ...
                And as for gas, the sultan is driving a fake, and the fake is impudent to a huge extent - he does not have any field, and since the Turkmens are completely contracted to the south and China, and in Azerbaijan, give it a bang, so that the gas itself is enough - this gas pipeline will remain empty for a long time until the recovery begins in the European economy, so far only a fall is observed.
      3. NEXUS
        NEXUS 5 October 2020 09: 43
        +4
        Quote: Graz
        a person simply wants to solve the problems of his people at the expense of others. nothing more, for example, did he and his supporters remember a lot about Russia and in what vein before all these problems?

        I wanted friendship with NATO, the US and the EU ... get it and sign. Now Pashinyan is like so aside - Help, hooligans are depriving them of sight!
        Now, everyone who rode there like macaques, bending Russia and Putin in cases, together let them take their hands in feet and go to the front line, to defend what they so selflessly voted for.
        1. hydrox
          hydrox 5 October 2020 13: 51
          +2
          This will be useful in a way similar to how pastures are freed from thistles: who needed a liber-regime, let them go to Nicholas to defend, whining that it will pass by itself is not accepted, the winner is not determined, since only the military will bring the main result for many decades to come. the base of Russia, standing on the territory of NK :: at the same time, the Georgians will be chilled out in their NATO insolence, since the lully will peacefully rest next to them, but they will sleep "half-eyed" :: that's just Aliyev's land (5 or 7 districts) have to give ...
      4. Vol4ara
        Vol4ara 5 October 2020 10: 49
        +1
        Quote: Graz
        a person simply wants to solve the problems of his people at the expense of others. nothing more, for example, did he and his supporters remember a lot about Russia and in what vein before all these problems?

        Sure! The Russians closed schools, how could they not remember that?
    2. Vladimir61
      Vladimir61 5 October 2020 07: 15
      23
      Quote: demo
      So you need to listen to Pashinyan's words.

      Sure! Pashinyan "listened" to his friends from Washington, but should we listen to Pashinyan? If we have to "listen" to something, then only the right of people to live peacefully and die of old age, where their home is.
      1. Lelek
        Lelek 5 October 2020 11: 26
        0
        Quote: Vladimir61
        If we have to "listen" to something, then only the right of people to live peacefully and die of old age, where their home is.

        hi Vladimir.
        Your words to God in the ears. But life shows that it is not enough to want, and the realities are much more dependent on the "wants" of specific "hands of the leaders." That Aliyev, that Pashinyan, that Erdogan wanted to spit on the right of people to live, they throw soldiers and civilians into the crucible of their "ego" just to prove "who is in charge on this piece of land." "Kiselnaya" UN, whose duties are to prevent such "muzzle", gets off with just declarations on kilograms of paper. IMHO, there is no alternative to peace negotiations in this situation, and the hostilities will continue, people will die while Turkey and Erdogan personally will be the hideout of the outrage.
        1. your1970
          your1970 5 October 2020 17: 09
          -1
          Quote: Lelek
          Sour "UN", whose responsibilities are the prevention of such "muzzle", gets off only with declarations on kilograms of paper.
          - What else can the UN do? Throw them at warheads in the capitals? Send its peacekeeping contingent - 300-500 thousand to begin with? Freeze the accounts of ALL?
          She is a body for negotiations and cannot do something without the desire of the parties ...
          No more....
    3. svp67
      svp67 5 October 2020 07: 40
      18
      Quote: demo
      So you need to listen to Pashinyan's words.

      He, personally, HE did everything to make the situation develop like that, and now save, help !!!
      Russia sent to FIG, so now decided to scare the EU ...
      Well, well ... Go on the road to RETIREMENT and take your "soros" with you
    4. Vend
      Vend 5 October 2020 09: 57
      +3
      Quote: demo
      In our mad age, nothing can be denied.
      So you need to listen to Pashinyan's words.

      It can be seen that it is very difficult for Pashinyan, he said nonsense. Turkey is in NATO, so it can be in Europe at any time by invitation to joint exercises. Gone are the days
    5. iouris
      iouris 5 October 2020 11: 19
      0
      Not Pashinyan should be listened to, but actively act in Georgia, Azerbaijan, Armenia and Turkey, in which half of Armenia is located.
      1. hydrox
        hydrox 6 October 2020 09: 59
        0
        Yes, it is necessary to act ... from the year 90 it was necessary to act - and they acted, so much so that until "today" they themselves put up pood candles, thanks to the gentlemen that they were not caught then, and they were not placed against the wall.
        There was no one, no one and no reason, and now there is no one to bite even his elbows ...
    6. demo
      demo 5 October 2020 11: 21
      +7
      Personally for those who gave me cons.
      Turkey has never been and will never be a friend or ally of Russia.
      Turkey is an age-old enemy and will remain so.
      The imperial habits of the Turks have not gone anywhere.
      Erdogan is pursuing a policy of reviving the empire on new principles.
      And he made a lot of steps in this direction.
      Only he, like Adolf, is indulged in all possible and impossible ways.
      And some not quite matured politicians, they also build nuclear power plants, at their own expense, pull gas pipes, which are now loaded at 10% of their capacity, they are allowed to release a stream of fellow citizens, Turkish businessmen are given maximum preferences, etc.
      Indulging in ambitious nationalists is nurturing your enemy.
      I'm not saying that what Pashinyan said - 100% will come true.
      But this is possible in one form or another.
      So, even a person like the prime minister of Armenia should be listened to.
      For general education, listening and obeying are two different things.
      1. Graz
        Graz 5 October 2020 12: 19
        +2
        I also consider it a huge mistake to supply 400 to the Turks and build a nuclear power plant and a Turkish stream on credit, now these investments are hostages, and we will lose them if we go to aggravate
        1. hydrox
          hydrox 6 October 2020 10: 08
          0
          And you don't need to aggravate - you need to go to conservation, but to active conservation :: did it to the detriment of us - get in the snout, spoke out wrong - get a kick (carefully, not breaking the tailbone!), Naughty - into the corner without supper until lights out and always "Russia's interests are above all!" - Well, WHO will supervise this behavior, WHO will lead such a ship through mined shallow water without pilotage !? There are candidates in Russia! ??
          Yes, so that the sand does not fall from them, but they do not have a rotten liberal insides ??
      2. icant007
        icant007 5 October 2020 21: 45
        +2
        Turkey has never been and will never be a friend or ally of Russia.


        Well, Russia has only two ally, sorry three now - the army, navy and VKS)

        Turkey is an age-old enemy and will remain so.


        It looks like a religious belief. And what follows from this? Need to look for a pretext for war?

        Or still get out of the Middle Ages and learn to live peacefully with former enemies?

        Armenia lived calmly and peacefully within the USSR. Azerbaijanis lived in Armenia, Armenians lived in Azerbaijan. There were many mixed families. And they didn't seem to be at war.
        And suddenly, in 1988, they changed. They wanted Karabakh. That was not a peaceful life.
        And now Armenia has only enemies all around. And who is to blame?
        1. demo
          demo 5 October 2020 22: 24
          0
          It looks like a religious belief. And what follows from this? Need to look for a pretext for war?
          This is a message for thought. hi
          You, over the fence, a violent and greedy for a stranger lives.
          Are you going to lend him your ax?
          And at your own expense, you will not bring the water supply?
          Or maybe you will provide him with subsidies for the organization of his own life? Moreover, at the expense of his family.
          The belligerence of a neighbor can be extinguished only by presenting your undeniable power and unconditional use of it if necessary, or a reason that your neighbor can certainly give.

          The age-old feud did not arise out of nowhere. Before that, there were centuries of constant raids by Turkish vassals.
          How many hundreds of thousands of Slavs perished in Turkish captivity.
          And the present-day Turks regard the rest of the "gyaurs" precisely as legitimate prey.
          And the brightest example is Erdogan.
          Who is neither a writer, nor a sociologist, nor a preacher. He is the president. Who reshaped the state structure for himself.
          If he was a lonely dreamer of Ottoman greatness, he would not have been allowed to change the constitution.
          This means that at least the party that came to power in its essence shares his neo-Ottoman aspirations.
          And we, Russia, are beginning to help his aspirations begin to be embodied in reality.

          The war with Turkey is something that must necessarily happen, while maintaining the course that Russia has chosen.
          And the first bell - Karabakh - has already sounded.
          Syria, Libya, Greece - that would be enough for another.
          So no. He also needs to clash in Karabakh.
          Nothing like that?
          This is how the historical figures began their ascents, who led the world to world wars.
          And the Turk clearly understands only one thing.
          He always has something to rely on - the Russophobia of the collective West.
          These will forgive him everything and will also help him.
          And "our" will think that he is such an intelligent and responsible politician that no one will throw him away.
          Like a "sucker" for three kopecks.
          And already thrown. Gazprom lost, and Russia lost.
          And who needs these pipes now, if gas flows from Turkmenistan and Azerbaijan?
          A failed policy will certainly lead to the loss of not only the authority of the state, but, Thank God, and the loss of the lives of our people and territories that are abundantly watered with Russian blood.

          So - "this" is not a religious belief, which in its essence rests on unconditional faith. This is the memory of the history of their people. And an elementary forecast of events.
          1. icant007
            icant007 6 October 2020 10: 23
            +2
            Quote: demo
            So no. He also needs to clash in Karabakh.


            The Karabakh problem is not in Turkey, but in Armenia.
            1. demo
              demo 6 October 2020 14: 14
              0
              You yourself have answered your own comment.
              The Karabakh problem does not concern Turkey.
          2. icant007
            icant007 6 October 2020 10: 24
            +2
            Quote: demo
            You, over the fence, a violent and greedy for a stranger lives.
            Are you going to lend him your ax?

            Are you talking about Armenia?
            1. demo
              demo 6 October 2020 14: 15
              +1
              Everyone sees what he sees.
          3. hydrox
            hydrox 6 October 2020 10: 32
            +1
            Quote: demo
            And who needs these pipes now, if gas flows from Turkmenistan and Azerbaijan?

            Firstly, please, be so kind as to provide proofs for the volumes of Turkmen and Azeri gas supplied to the EU, or at least indicate the source.
            And secondly: if for 70 years there was peace in Karabakh, given the strength of the Union, then maybe use the well-proven practice and establish a Russian military base in NKR, while giving the republic Russian autonomy and close the issue once and for all?
            This is exactly the case that someone may want to fight, but even with a broken snout it will be somehow dumb to return home to one side or the other ...
            From this situation, EVERYONE has their own gesheft: Azerbaijan and Armenia remain in their own interests, and NKR - forever without war.
            I will not say that the option is simple, but it is the only non-military one, and most importantly, you can do without this dishonesty from the West, whether geopolitical, geoliberal, colored or military.
            We will not do this - two ethnic groups are tortured to collect corpses one after another until they finish each other to the delight of the Sultan.
            1. demo
              demo 6 October 2020 14: 18
              0
              A good option.
              But nobody will go to it. From the word "ALL".

              I am very mundane.
              You think that THIS is your land. Someone thinks differently.
              This leads to an armed conflict.
              If you are mentally ready to defend, then defend.
              If you are not ready, then go to such and such a mother.
              Losses and costs do not matter.
              The main thing is either to keep or to give.
              Everything else is from the Evil One.
              1. icant007
                icant007 6 October 2020 17: 23
                +1
                I am very mundane.
                You think that THIS is your land. Someone thinks differently.
                This leads to an armed conflict.


                Can't you just overcome your pride and leave everything as it is?
                Just for the sake of peace.
                Or is the category "peace" alien to the proud Armenian people?
                1. demo
                  demo 6 October 2020 18: 31
                  0
                  Oddly enough, one and the same people in different periods of history may have completely different aspirations, both for peace and for war.
                  This is typical of almost all "titular" nations.
                  It sits in every nation and people.
                  True, sometimes, there are also external, frankly, inflammatory actions.
                  Such as: government policy, general cultural trends, disorder of internal life due to external factors.
                  Armenians are very jealous of the fact that they can begin to be infringed upon, even in small matters. And if they see great oppression, then an explosion of indignation is inevitable.
                  It was on the wave of popular indignation at Sargsyan's policy that Pashinyan came.
                  To me, a representative of the Russian ethnos, the behavior of the Armenians is understandable, on the one hand, but on the other hand, I do not understand a lot and do not approve.
              2. hydrox
                hydrox 6 October 2020 19: 02
                +1
                Quote: demo
                But no one will go to it. From the word "ALL".

                Then you can leave the situation "as is", and let the Earth be freed from quarrelsome, stubborn and stupid ethnic groups ...
                Of course, the Armenian people should judge Pashinyan as a provocateur, guilty of the death of tens (hundreds?) Of boys, and sentence him to proper punishment, since there are not 10-15 children in the families of Armenians, but 2-3 and any war, even just armed clash, shortens the life of an ethnic group that has not reached the level of a nation ...
        2. PSih2097
          PSih2097 5 October 2020 23: 03
          0
          Quote: icant007
          Well, Russia has only two ally, sorry three now - the army, navy and VKS)

          I would also add SSO (FSB / GRU, well, BB) ... soldier And this is not counting the triad of strategic nuclear forces.
          1. icant007
            icant007 6 October 2020 10: 21
            +1
            I meant the elements: earth, water and air)
  2. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 5 October 2020 07: 06
    38
    The parasite ... fought for power with its military and the "party of Karabakh", missed the preparation of Azerbaijan for the offensive ... And now save, help, the Turkish army at the walls of Vienna wassat And the people should pay with their own blood (as always) for the incompetence of the leadership.
    1. Revolver
      Revolver 5 October 2020 07: 37
      15
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      the people must pay with their own blood (as always) for the incompetence of the leadership

      Every nation deserves the government that it has. Or that this nation has. tongue
      1. Meckajiuhe
        Meckajiuhe 5 October 2020 21: 29
        +1
        The war in Artsakh ... And there is a different government. And 99% of them have a positive attitude towards Russia. And if you go to it, it will knock you over a puddle at any moment.
    2. Vladimir_6
      Vladimir_6 5 October 2020 08: 22
      +4
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      The parasite ... fought for power with its military and the "party of Karabakh", missed the preparation of Azerbaijan for the offensive ..

      The parasite is natural. Only it seems to me that he did not miss the preparation, but provoked the beginning of the war.
      Now that Russia, together with the United States and France, called for an end to hostilities and sit down at the negotiating table, Turkey is frightening Europe. Nichol is at a loss.
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        1. Vladimir_6
          Vladimir_6 5 October 2020 10: 03
          +3
          Quote: NEXUS
          He did not miss it, but firmly believed that the West would help him.

          Soros probably "swore by his mother" that everything will be in openwork. But there were no simpletons, and now there is only one hope for Russia, but "how to approach the Kremlin then?"
          1. hydrox
            hydrox 6 October 2020 19: 11
            0
            I think, only through admission of defeat, since he will not see victory, and no one will forgive him the blood of hundreds of boys.
    3. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 5 October 2020 08: 37
      +3
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      Now save, help, the Turkish army at the walls of Vienna

      Vienna is still far away, but Yerevan is already close.
    4. Olgovich
      Olgovich 5 October 2020 09: 00
      +2
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      The parasite ... fought for power with its military and the "party of Karabakh", missed the preparation of Azerbaijan for the offensive

      It's like that.

      And now what to finish off?

      WHAT is wrong with this:
      The Armenians in the South Caucasus are the last barrier that hinders Turkish expansion further than the region's territory. Turkey's expansionist policy extends to other regions as well. Look at Turkish action in Mediterranean, Libya, Syria, Iraq


      Syrian terrorists are on the southern borders of Russia, Turkey brought them there and it is the Armenians who are beating them there now
      1. Graz
        Graz 5 October 2020 12: 25
        -1
        the Armenians are fighting for the territory they consider theirs, there is no need to tie Russia to this
  3. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 5 October 2020 07: 07
    15
    The nightingale began to sing when pepper was poured under the tail.
  4. Holsten
    Holsten 5 October 2020 07: 09
    18
    Does Pashinyan really think that Paris or Berlin cares about the walls of Vienna? The situation with migrants shows the opposite - every man for himself.
    1. Evil543
      Evil543 5 October 2020 07: 49
      +5
      And in response: be patient for free, in two weeks everything will take on a sluggish form
      1. Victorio
        Victorio 5 October 2020 12: 40
        0
        Quote: Evil543
        And in response: be patient for free, in two weeks everything will take on a sluggish form

        ===
        so it probably will be
    2. Vladimir_6
      Vladimir_6 5 October 2020 08: 31
      +6
      Quote: Holsten
      Does Pashinyan seriously think that Paris or Berlin cares about the walls of Vienna?

      Berlin definitely does not care about the walls of Vienna, for there are already more than 3 Turks inside Germany.
  5. Normal
    Normal 5 October 2020 07: 10
    50
    Well, while you raged at the rallies during the seizure of power, while you turned off all Russian in your country, others silently prepared for you to be oops. But in Azerbaijan, by the way, practically all Russian schools have been preserved. That's how it happens.
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 5 October 2020 08: 39
      +6
      Quote: Normal
      But in Azerbaijan, by the way, practically all Russian schools have been preserved. That's how it happens.

      I support, here you are right.
  6. KCA
    KCA 5 October 2020 07: 12
    +5
    If along the Danube, then let it go, the main thing is to pass by Russia
  7. Cowbra
    Cowbra 5 October 2020 07: 12
    28
    First, you have to learn that Europe has never come to anyone's aid. So is the United States. So after your Russophobic hysteria - now rake your shit with your own crooked paws.
    Secondly, Erdogan doesn’t need to come to Europe with the army. In Germany, there are already more Turks than Germans - they already 10 years ago at the Germany-Turkey match all over Berlin drove ubermenshey on kicks)))
    1. Korsar4
      Korsar4 5 October 2020 07: 26
      +4
      I wonder which European could go to the rescue?

      Look among the Serbs? Too hypothetical. Although in every nation you can find a "soldier of fortune". But here you cannot do without piastres.
      1. Revolver
        Revolver 5 October 2020 07: 44
        +6
        Quote: Korsar4
        I wonder which European could go to the rescue?

        If you look among the Bulgarians, Greeks, and other peoples whom the Turks have nightmares for centuries, then you can find a certain number of people willing to repay the Turks with the same coin, especially for a clear (or even better, pleasantly rustling) coin. And the Kurds do not need to pay, they themselves will pay for any opportunity to make the Turks bo-bo.
        1. Korsar4
          Korsar4 5 October 2020 08: 02
          0
          I can't say about the Greeks. And the Bulgarians now have a bag of their own problems.
          Although, as elsewhere, very cute come across.
        2. Ros 56
          Ros 56 5 October 2020 08: 20
          +1
          Better shoot yourself than write such crap, these Greco-Bulgarians and others cannot defend themselves and will go somewhere with the Turks to butt? fellow
          1. Insurgent
            Insurgent 5 October 2020 08: 48
            +2
            Quote: Ros 56
            Better shoot yourself than write such crap, these Greco-Bulgarians and others cannot defend themselves and will go somewhere with the Turks to butt?


            October 1 2020

            About 80 volunteers from different parts of Greece will arrive in Nagorno-Karabakh.

            According to journalist Paul Antonopoulos, they will fight on the side of Armenia. Volunteers from Greece will fight on the side of Greece in Nagorno-Karabakh. "50 Armenian-Greeks and 30" ethnic "Greeks" will be transferred to the combat zone. This was announced by journalist and international relations expert Paul Antonopoulos on his Twitter account.

            read more on the Russian Dialogue website: https://www.rusdialog.ru/war/202482_1601573743
      2. Insurgent
        Insurgent 5 October 2020 08: 22
        -1
        Quote: Korsar4
        I wonder which European could go to the rescue?

        Look among the Serbs? Too hypothetical.


        1. Korsar4
          Korsar4 5 October 2020 08: 42
          +1
          The graffiti is memorable. And the fates of the territories are somewhat similar. But this is only a drawing. No more.
          1. Insurgent
            Insurgent 5 October 2020 08: 43
            -1
            Quote: Korsar4
            this is just a drawing. No more.

            Who knows...
            1. Korsar4
              Korsar4 5 October 2020 08: 46
              +3
              Christendom is not one. And in this conflict, when Armenia is supported by Shiite Iran, there is more than one facet of contact.
      3. K-612-O
        K-612-O 5 October 2020 09: 19
        +2
        Well, Greeks, a little true, but let's go. Volunteers. But in fact, the Sultan is at risk, quarreled with everyone as best he could, because the second coup attempt can be better prepared.
        1. Revolver
          Revolver 6 October 2020 01: 40
          0
          Quote: K-612-O
          the sultan runs the risk, quarreled with everyone as best he could, because the second coup attempt could be better prepared.

          Let your words be to God’s ears!
  8. nnm
    nnm 5 October 2020 07: 12
    16
    And what did his sponsor - Soros answer to this? Probably, he began to ring all the bells and demand from all world leaders to stop Erdogan? No, on the contrary, he is silent as he took water in his mouth. And these beat each other heartily. Again - blood, pain, refugees, orphans in the region.
    And the whole world just doesn't care about it - Merkel has a meeting with Navalny and the cook.
    They could not drag Russia into the conflict - that's it, right there it immediately becomes uninteresting to everyone!
    Maybe this will teach at least someone that friendship with the West always ends only with the degradation of the country and blood. As it was already in Georgia, Ukraine, Nagorno-Karabakh ... Although, it is unlikely ...
    1. Kyrgyz
      Kyrgyz 5 October 2020 07: 39
      0
      Most likely, Soros needs to rid Armenia of the cargo in the form of the NKR so that this card can be played on wider platforms, Armenia is a good ram against Turkey and Iran with proper investments
    2. Xnumx vis
      Xnumx vis 5 October 2020 08: 10
      +1
      Quote: nnm
      And what did his sponsor - Soros answer to this?

      Let him turn to Soros for help ... For money, military assistance, political, etc. Maybe this example will teach the rest of the Soros - "He will not advise good for soros, but will rob to the last thread and even invade the bloody war" Examples -Ukraine, Yugoslavia, Armenia, the Middle East .. "Belarus is on its way ...?
    3. Vladimir_6
      Vladimir_6 5 October 2020 08: 43
      +2
      Quote: nnm
      And what did his sponsor - Soros answer to this?

      Soros is in a stupor. Russia did not come to the war with Turkey once again.
      Couldn't drag Russia into the conflict
    4. Normal
      Normal 5 October 2020 08: 59
      +3
      Soros needs Armenia to confront Russia, not for the prosperity of Armenia itself. Therefore, he will not support the republic at the expense of a conflict with another, which can also be turned against Russia.
      1. Vladimir_6
        Vladimir_6 5 October 2020 10: 37
        0
        Quote: Normal
        Soros needs Armenia to confront Russia,

        Armenia itself in no way can resist Russia.
        I consider the downed SU-24, the assassination of Ambassador Karlov and the Armenian-Azerbaijani conflict to be links in one chain. The goal is the same - to push Russia with Turkey in the war. Only Putin is not being led on these divorces. Therefore, Pashinyan was left without support, and most likely his card is a bit.
        and not for the prosperity of Armenia itself.

        Naturally.
  9. Egoza
    Egoza 5 October 2020 07: 14
    +5
    Well yes. Influence the Sultan, and at the same time help us.
    1. Smoked
      Smoked 5 October 2020 07: 37
      0
      It's too short and too simple.
  10. Stavros
    Stavros 5 October 2020 07: 16
    +8
    Quote: Mountain Shooter
    The parasite ... fought for power with its military and the "party of Karabakh"

    If the "party of Karabakh" were not a party of thieves and crooks, Pashinyan would not have had any chance to take power into his own hands. Serzh Sargsyan with his organized criminal group, they simply brought the people.
    1. Kyrgyz
      Kyrgyz 5 October 2020 07: 37
      +2
      And who is better than "crooks" or "losers"?
    2. user1212
      user1212 5 October 2020 07: 57
      +5
      Quote: Stavros
      If the "party of Karabakh" were not a party of thieves and crooks, Pashinyan would not have had any chance to take power into his own hands. Serzh Sargsyan with his organized criminal group, they simply brought the people.

      What exactly was stolen from the Armenians? What did they have that the "party of Karabakh" stole? Specifically, Pashinyan's party stole Russian military aid from the Armenians, the fact is, what did Sargsyan's party steal?
      Wasn't the budget of Armenia plundered before Sargsyan? Remind me when they did not steal in "independent" Armenia? And now that they don't steal? Do not make me laugh.
      1. unhappy
        unhappy 5 October 2020 08: 12
        +9
        Any government (any elite) in any country is essentially thieves, Prince Kropotkin noted this long ago. People should take this for granted (thieves can be modest, arrogant, and even patriots).
        Yesterday's revolutionaries, their children and grandchildren, are becoming the same monsters they overthrew. The current elites, oligarchs are the heirs of party leaders bully
    3. Incvizitor
      Incvizitor 7 October 2020 04: 26
      0
      Better your crooks than enemy bandits.
  11. 7,62h54
    7,62h54 5 October 2020 07: 18
    12
    Nicolas worries that the Turks will approach Vienna. And the Europeans think: "first let's see how they take Yerevan"
    1. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid 5 October 2020 08: 12
      +1
      Quote: 7,62x54
      Nicolas worries that the Turks will approach Vienna. And the Europeans think: "first let's see how they take Yerevan"
      Turks already live in Europe, including Vienna and Austria. In Austria, Turks make up about 1,5% of the population. Even the magazine began to publish "Turks in Vienna"
  12. apro
    apro 5 October 2020 07: 21
    +7
    The Prophet found himself ... decided to hide his defeat under a beautiful phrase. There are neither right nor guilty. Both sides are worthy of each other. In provocations. In disregard of the interests of the population. Putting the interests of the dough above human life.
  13. Asad
    Asad 5 October 2020 07: 21
    +4
    I wonder if the current leaders of Armenia are subordinate to the United States. When there were negotiations with Baku and Azerbaijan was sent on an erotic journey, perhaps Yerevan was hoping for US help? And they threw it?
  14. 210ox
    210ox 5 October 2020 07: 21
    +8
    It's funny to listen to ... The international community ... Duke them, you really wanted "Western values". Ogrebay to the fullest.
  15. Prisoner
    Prisoner 5 October 2020 07: 23
    13
    Pashinyan is increasingly reminiscent of Gutroshenka. He, too, with his "strongest army on the continent" "defended" Europe. True, he "protected" from Russia, and this one from Turkey.
  16. Dmitry Potapov
    Dmitry Potapov 5 October 2020 07: 30
    +4
    If you stop licking Washington, then Ankara will look at Yerevan with apprehension.
  17. Kyrgyz
    Kyrgyz 5 October 2020 07: 33
    +3
    If this is indeed Erdogan's goal, then it is necessary that he agree on the route and normally calculate how much fuel and ammunition he needs for this, and deposit funds under this contract)))
  18. Moskovit
    Moskovit 5 October 2020 07: 35
    +7
    Because of one somehow poisoned, but alive, a package of sanctions is already being contemplated. Lists of people are being compiled. And here thousands are already dying, strikes are being made on the civilian population and silence. Only scribbles. This is the essence of the policy of the "collective West".
    And Pashinyan wants to say like an ant to a dragonfly, you sang, now dance.
  19. viktor_ui
    viktor_ui 5 October 2020 07: 38
    +6
    Pashinyan wants to drag chestnuts out of the fire with someone else's hands ... fucking Russophobe and Soros adept bully
  20. Kot_Kuzya
    Kot_Kuzya 5 October 2020 07: 39
    +4
    "Well, son? Did your mattress covers help you?" laughing Neher was to pursue a Russophobic policy and be Washington's puppet. Putin is not to help Pashinyan the little magpie.
  21. Doccor18
    Doccor18 5 October 2020 07: 45
    +3
    If you do not influence Ankara, then the Turkish army will stand at the walls of Vienna as under Sultan Suleiman ..

    It's funny how the Armenian leader praises his foe, comparing him to the great commander of the past, and undeservedly ...
    ... the tenth sultan of the Ottoman Empire. In 1529 he took Buda (the capital of Hungary), laid siege to Vienna and invaded Bavaria ...

    By the way, Munich should also think about it. wassat laughing
  22. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 5 October 2020 07: 49
    +3
    Pashinyan: If you do not influence Ankara, then the Turkish army will stand at the walls of Vienna as under Sultan Suleiman
    fool fool He protects Europe from Turkey. request At the same time, it is multi-vector. fool No one in Europe will help and will not contact Turkey. In Germany, the Turkish position is strong.
  23. Viktor Sergeev
    Viktor Sergeev 5 October 2020 07: 51
    +3
    Clown appeals to the EU? Yes, they wanted to spit on Armenia. They put Pashinyan in, get it. Armenians can congratulate you on your excellent president. The main thing for Russia is not to interfere, let him figure it out and ask his so beloved West to help him. How much can you help those who are ready to stab in the back?
  24. The Siberian barber
    The Siberian barber 5 October 2020 08: 02
    +4
    One gets the feeling that this type was specially chosen so that Armenia would lose the war in the future.
    In the future, we can see the squeezing of the Russian Federation out of that region, whatever the outcome of the current conflict
  25. imobile2008
    imobile2008 5 October 2020 08: 04
    -7
    So far what I see is 20 people using Chinese toys are driving the army of Armenia built on the best model of Soviet thought, but without atomic weapons. I also see the incompetent movements of the Azerbaijani army. Farther either these 20 people will methodically defeat the entire army of Armenia, or the army of Armenia will use ingenuity and neutralize the drones, and then the outcome is not clear. No one has yet figured out how to neutralize drones, or rather, there is only one option, it is to rivet our own drones and more. Any air defense is useless.
    1. Grits
      Grits 5 October 2020 09: 41
      0
      Quote: imobile2008
      Any air defense is useless.

      Don't tell me ... There are some. But they are all in Russia. And the Armenians did not buy such. Apparently they did not believe that Azerbaijan was buying UAVs in batches. Naive highlanders ...
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 5 October 2020 14: 48
        +2
        Azerbaijan not only buys UAVs, but also produces both kamikaze and drums.
  26. silberwolf88
    silberwolf88 5 October 2020 08: 08
    +3
    the main thing is not to accept any "refugees" from Armenia ... for this there is France and the United States ... that's all there ... we already have enough of this "non-brotherly" love ... they don't want to build and develop / defend their country ... here in Russia they are definitely not needed ...
  27. Daniil Konovalenko
    Daniil Konovalenko 5 October 2020 08: 11
    +6
    The Azerbaijanis will take over Karabakh, the Armenians will be driven out, at best. They will go to Russia.
  28. rocket757
    rocket757 5 October 2020 08: 15
    +2
    Pashinyan: If you do not influence Ankara, then the Turkish army will stand at the walls of Vienna as under Sultan Suleiman

    The message is, in general, expected. In the right direction for these figures.
    I just want to ask, and who was helped by "la / X / i, Austrians, Swiss / A / would and other gayropean .... when ???", this is not their "lordly" business!
    Look how the French sea, from the Turk ticked !!! this is not an indicator, a hint ... such a specific one.
  29. dgonni
    dgonni 5 October 2020 08: 21
    +9
    Apparently, things are not going well for Armenia on the fronts! For if you look at Pashinyan's entire performance, you get a feeling of panic hysteria.
  30. uranium
    uranium 5 October 2020 08: 21
    +5
    The great Armenian spirit gave up its spirit without a Russian soldier laughing
    1. Misak Hananyan
      Misak Hananyan 6 October 2020 09: 56
      0
      Quote: uran
      The great Armenian spirit gave up its spirit without a Russian soldier laughing


      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZ6EjlWZX5U&feature=share&fbclid=IwAR2-1hov6qywwo0SjBAHaw1oAuiiwD_hiZHRirh9dqzkLZtxiXW_fphWQEQ Сам делай выводы "великий дух"
  31. Karabin
    Karabin 5 October 2020 08: 25
    +6
    Pashinyan called on the international community to influence Ankara and added that if this does not happen, then "the Turkish army, as in the days of Sultan Suleiman, will stand at the walls of Vienna."

    This indirectly confirms that the Armenians are not doing very well and the loss of Karabakh is possible. Apparently, nobody is in a hurry to stand up for the Armenians.
  32. Alena-Baku
    Alena-Baku 5 October 2020 08: 29
    -3
    Pashinyan will go to any lengths to preserve power even for the genocide of his own people, knowing that Russia can save Armenia in a second if he resigned, he grabbed the prime minister's chair with his teeth.
  33. Stils
    Stils 5 October 2020 08: 35
    +4
    Sorosyan's got a lot of burning, he is already carrying nonsense.
    In general, it is desirable to stop the carnage. There are dozens of territorial disputes and conflicts in the world. What will happen if everyone starts to decide the way Azerbaijan is trying to do?
  34. APASUS
    APASUS 5 October 2020 08: 47
    +4
    They say one instruction straight! That Zelensky is at war with Russia for the whole of Europe, now Pashinyan is at war with Turkey defending the southern borders of the EU.
  35. Misak Hananyan
    Misak Hananyan 5 October 2020 08: 57
    -16 qualifying.
    Quote: hrych
    Quote: Graz
    solve the problems of their people at the expense of others

    Naturally. But Pashinyan certainly exaggerated the role of Armenia in the world. Nobody will notice the disappearance of Armenia wassat And was she? The territory was divided by Russians, Turks and Persians. And before that, the Romans, Macedonians and ... Persians. And there was the USSR, created a national republic and collapsed. This is how statehood fell from the sky. So what? Have not yet had time to really separate, let's arrange a massacre. Therefore, both Armenia and Azerbaijan proved that there should not be such states.


    When Armenia was a power, you still lived in trees like macaques. Learn history
    1. set of sets
      set of sets 5 October 2020 09: 29
      +5
      Was Armenia a Power? )))))

      It's like the ancient Ukrainians dug the Black Sea. ))))
    2. Victorio
      Victorio 5 October 2020 12: 45
      0
      Quote: Misak Khananyan
      When Armenia was a power,

      ===
      this is too much. but the nation is not deprived of personalities. probably a third of all Byzantine emperors are Armenians, or with Armenian blood
      1. hrych
        hrych 6 October 2020 10: 41
        +1
        Not Armenian, but Macedonian, Parthian, etc. But not of Hay origin for sure. And Armenia - a territory - a Macedonian satrapy, later a country with a Roman protectorate. All the elite are Macedonians and Parthians, kings - Macedonians and Parthians, warriors - Macedonians and Parthians. But the slaves and peasants were Colchians, Albanians and Khaits. The language is characteristic, all the written sources of those years ... in Aramaic - the lingua franca of the Persian Empire, which was preserved as such under the Macedonians, in particular the Seleucids. Well, Greek, and later Latin. Where is Armenian? According to Armenian committed historians, the type is oral. Here is the oral evidence, i.e. none. The elite used Aramaic, Greek, Parthian, etc., the conquered peoples spoke Aramaic and Greek, plus they retained their Colchian, Albanian, Hay and other languages. If you don't know the language of the owner, you will get wassat The Christian books were Kara Aramaic and Greek. This is an indisputable fact. And only in the 5th century during the reign of King Vramshapukh, the scientist and preacher Mashtots created the alphabet of the Hayes and written sources of this language appeared. To which they translated Christian books first. And who is Vramshapuhe? Of course, from the Parthian dynasty of Arshakids, which overthrew the Macedonians in Persia. The Prafians or Parny are the essence of the Scythians-Saks. The Sassanids overthrew the Arshakids in Persia, and later in Armenia, and a little later the post of the king of Armenia was abolished altogether and the Persian governors ruled. Therefore, the Emperors are not from the present-day Armenian Hayes, but from the territory, i.e. satrapy and vassal state of Armenia, which was ruled by the Macedonian-Persians Artashesids, Parthian-Persians Arshakids and Sassanids.
        1. Victorio
          Victorio 7 October 2020 09: 37
          0
          Quote: hrych
          Therefore, the Emperors are not from the present-day Armenian Hayes, but from the territory, i.e. satrapy and vassal state of Armenia, which was ruled by the Macedonian-Persians Artashesids, Parthian-Persians Arshakids and Sassanids.

          ===
          it doesn't matter, the point is. that the present Armenians are their descendants. and by the time of the reign of Byzantium on the throne, they were identified as Armenians. at least, this is the case with the Byzantine historian A.I. every
          1. hrych
            hrych 7 October 2020 10: 56
            +1
            No, did not identify themselves. The so-called now (not then) Armenian origin had three imperial dynasties: Heraclius, Macedonian and Lakapin. With the Macedonian dynasty, everything is clear. Heraclius the Pope of Heraclius the First only served in the province of Armenia, and was the exarch of Africa when Phoca was overthrown. Chronicler of the 7th century Sobeos mentioned his possible relationship with the Arshakids, i.e. the Parthians. And Heraclius the First was born in Cappadocia. But no one considers him African or Cappadocian. He is a Roman from a patrician family, but out of some fright he is called an Armenian ... with a proviso supposedly wassat
            It's even funnier with the Lakapins, by the name of the village of Lakapa, which is not even in the province of Armenia, but not far from this province wassat Although they are trying to connect the same Macedonian dynasty with the Parthian Arshakids and with Alexander the Great, they did not call Basil the Macedonian. born in the province of Macedonia, an ordinary Roman, an ordinary patrician. And the so-called engaged Greek and Armenian historians, who call him either a Greek or an Armenian, in the sense of a Hayts, simply walk through the forest. There is not a single chronicle where he is. Moreover, there is still an Arab source, where Vasily is called a Slav. And I repeat at least somehow connected with the Roman province, I did not become an African, an Armenian, a Macedonian, etc. These are the Romans. And no one will allow a non-Roman to the Roman Imperial throne. And the Khaits, who settled in the former province of Armenia, and out of fear began to be called Armenians. At least by misunderstanding, like the Azerbaijanis from the former satrapy Antropaten and to the Persians, Macedonians, Parthians and Romans, especially to the Roman Emperors wassat who owned these lands, neither the Armenians nor the Azerbaijanis have anything to do. And earlier, a resident of the province of Armenia was not an Armenian, but a Roman, a Persian, etc. Like a resident of a province (not a state) of Macedonia, he was no longer necessarily a Macedonian, but a Roman, a Slav, etc.
    3. iomoe
      iomoe 5 October 2020 14: 19
      +1
      Armenian arrogance with its antiquity got everyone long ago. Monkeys are even older, and nothing sit in the woods, and do not crow.
    4. hrych
      hrych 5 October 2020 22: 50
      0
      No, no macaques remained macaques. Some even wear a tie and call Merkel. The eyes are smart, smart, but macaques. And some may have evolved the same, split the nucleus of the atom, mastered near space, built SSBNs, again created a great literary heritage. And they broke the Frankish war machine, the German war machine, destroyed the millionth Kwantung army, etc. Including the invention of television. And these ... the ancients, the kebab-mashlik brought to perfection, and what a dolmaaaa. Here is the peak of development. wassat wassat
  36. Livonetc
    Livonetc 5 October 2020 08: 59
    +5
    It is interesting to change the tendency in relation to what is happening.
    In the beginning, the overwhelming majority of comments were in support of Armenia and with strong condemnation of Azerbaijan.
    Now the situation has changed significantly, and this is felt not only on the network but also in the media.
    There are many more materials with "immersion" in the motivation of Azerbaijan.
    What is this?
    Trying to appease the winning side.
    Or something else, from the series "let the loser cry".
    Who expects how.
    How long will the Armenian army be able to keep in Karabakh without serious interference from third parties?
    1. Oquzyurd
      Oquzyurd 5 October 2020 09: 45
      +1
      A geopolitical shift and change is taking place in the world. The chief executives of states know this and they set up their policies, choose options that are more beneficial for themselves and the country, and the media largely lags behind understanding what is really happening, since in any case they have less information than rulers of countries. Therefore, the media repeats the old mantra at some time, not seeing changes from ignorance. Then, catching up with changing course, covering what is happening. Same with the comments here, however, the same trend.
    2. Grits
      Grits 5 October 2020 09: 48
      +6
      Quote: Livonetc
      It is interesting to change the tendency in relation to what is happening.
      In the beginning, the overwhelming majority of comments were in support of Armenia and with strong condemnation of Azerbaijan.

      There is a certain split in me and, I think, in many. On the one hand, the majority of Russians are still for Armenia with all their hearts. But. As soon as one remembers how they jumped on the "Maidan" together with their Pashinyan, how they closed Russian schools, how they demanded the departure of the Russian "invaders", so immediately any desire to "drown" for Armenia will disappear. A few years ago, there would have been overwhelming unanimity here at VO, but this is no longer the case. All thanks to the new head of Armenia and some of its rabid representatives. Nobody likes traitors.
      Still, I think that the majority here is not for the Armenians, but against the Turks. This will be more correct.
  37. set of sets
    set of sets 5 October 2020 09: 00
    +3
    As they say: what we fought for, we ran into it.
    Pashinyan and his comrades from Washington staged a pro-Western American coup in the country. Turkey and Azerbaijan did not use this.
    This could have been foreseen.
    1. Grits
      Grits 5 October 2020 10: 01
      +4
      Quote: set of sets
      This could have been foreseen.

      So after all, not only was it foreseen - it was clear from the beginning. After all, it was said to the Armenians - come to your senses, sick people, what are you doing? You bite the hand protecting you. After all, Azerbaijanis will not fail to take advantage of this. But the Armenians were galloping .... almost SUGS shouted.
  38. Roman13579
    Roman13579 5 October 2020 09: 00
    +4
    There are only two armies left on the planet to defend Europe ..
    Ukrainians restraining Russian aggression, without whom we would have already walked all over Europe and washed our boots in the Atlantic Ocean ..
    And the Armenians protecting the Europeans from the Turks ..
    )))
    1. Olddetractor
      Olddetractor 5 October 2020 10: 48
      +5
      Add to the list Poles, defenders of European values ​​and the English king - the defender of the faith. Maybe without them we could fabulously enrich ourselves spiritually and believe ... then it's hard for me to write
  39. Mikhail3
    Mikhail3 5 October 2020 09: 01
    +3
    However, Mr. Pashinyan will absolutely certainly stand on the steps of the State Department, begging for another tranche for the "Armenian government in exile." The Armenians will die. Pashinyan will flourish. That's why everything is planned.
  40. lopuhan2006
    lopuhan2006 5 October 2020 09: 01
    +7
    Just the facts:
    1. Baku has been preparing an offensive for a long time (intensive purchase of weapons always happens for a reason).
    2. Yerevan clicked on it.
    3. Drones are very effective both as reconnaissance, and as strikers, and as a media impact.
    4. Yerevan, in spite of the experience of recent years, has ignored it (I hope our General Staff will draw certain conclusions, since this is no longer a feature, but the reality of current wars).
    5. This conflict does not have one solution (either the Armenians are squeezed out of Karabakh, or the Armenians are squeezing it out, which is unlikely). So we need to negotiate.
    6. South Stream pipe is empty. From Baku, past the border of Armenia and Karabakh, an almost complete pipe runs to Ankara a few kilometers away.
    7. Aliyev had a crisis of power and criticism from below. This force needs to be projected to him from himself. Yerevan is ideal for this (analogies with Saakashvili, Obama and so on are just a carbon copy).
    8. Moscow is indirectly beneficial to confrontation (to teach Yerevan a lesson and decide on Baku).
    9. Moscow and the CSTO will not be harnessed to Karabakh because this is an analogy with Abkhazia, South Ossetia and so on. There is no threat to the integrity of Armenia (the analogies of Karabakh with the LPR and DPR are direct ones that part of their ethnic group lives in a foreign state).
    10. Most likely, Baku will not be able to bring the war to the full capture of Karabakh. But in several passes it is quite. For the rest of the century, Aliyev will have enough of this.
    11. Pashinyan will receive soup and as a political and popular figure will be merged. For Russia, this war in the geopolitical context is a defeat in any scenario, because they were not harnessed to Armenia. And from Baku we were on the other side of the fence.
    12. As a result of the war, the US Embassy in Yerevan will double more. Wherever Pindus interferes ... US blood and devastation.
    13. The people, as they were, and remain illiterate and dark, and accordingly controlled.
    14. Those who speak, call and send to the war do not participate in it themselves!)
    15. You can continue indefinitely, like the war between Armenians and Azerbaijanis. UNFORTUNATELY!!!
    1. Livonetc
      Livonetc 5 October 2020 09: 09
      +4
      Yerevan did not "click through" the offensive.
      He simply could not oppose anything.
      As we can see, serious measures for warnings do not save, they only slow down the advance of the Azerbaijani army, using more modern methods and means.
      Yerevan has flipped through the window of negotiation opportunities.
      Rather, even cynically ignored it.
      Now pays off
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      2. icant007
        icant007 5 October 2020 22: 01
        +1
        Yerevan has flipped through the window of negotiation opportunities.


        Yes, for 26 years I clicked. Not just clicking. I didn't even take a step forward.
        What a great and proud nation ...
  41. Retvizan 8
    Retvizan 8 5 October 2020 09: 04
    +4
    Did you know that after Pashinyan's touching speech, columns of military equipment moved from Europe to Armenia, echelons with soldiers went and combat aircraft flew?
    No?
    So I don't know!
    It looks like Pashinyan's friends in the West, they just "smile at him and wave."
    1. Livonetc
      Livonetc 5 October 2020 09: 13
      0
      The main thing now is not to miss Armeria itself, and Azerbaijan as well, as Ukraine was missed.
      And Belarus was in the balance.
      Russia was able to save Syria.
      Will he be able to save the nearest neighbors.
      1. set of sets
        set of sets 5 October 2020 09: 22
        0
        You can save those who want it. And Russia is an occupier for them. And they are an independent state. Therefore, apparently, we cannot help much.
  42. Livonetc
    Livonetc 5 October 2020 09: 16
    0
    Now I am watching an Azerbaijani film of the Soviet period on the Culture channel.
    "Music teacher".
    1. Alex Justice
      Alex Justice 5 October 2020 16: 58
      +1
      We had such a Georgian teacher in St. Petersburg. For a whole year they taught and sang only one song: Blossom under the sun, my Georgia ...
  43. Incvizitor
    Incvizitor 5 October 2020 09: 17
    0
    He himself must be influenced in order to forget what it means to serve the FSA.
  44. Comrade Kim
    Comrade Kim 5 October 2020 09: 18
    0
    Quote: Mountain Shooter
    And the people should pay with their own blood (as always) for the incompetence of the leadership.


    Well, the glory of Ilyich does not give him rest!
    The main thing is to attach the fifth point to the throne, and there the grass does not grow.

    The fact that then rivers of blood will flow and all and sundry will tear the piece of land for themselves, he does not care.
    Lenin, the same pros-al Poland and Finland, put the flower of the Russian nation in the graves, zavlivliv city homeless.
    But he got power into his own hands.
    1. Essex62
      Essex62 6 October 2020 07: 52
      +1
      The worthless Nikolashka began to shed rivers of blood, much earlier than Ulyanov's appearance on the political scene, and got into a completely alien war. He laid down millions of Russian peasants, working intellectuals. And who do you call the color of the Russian nation? Zakhrebetnikov noblemen and huckster merchants? With the exception of a few hundred that really benefited Russia, these are real enemies, the oppressors of the peoples of Ingushetia. The estate society is disgusting, the Bolsheviks corrected it. As a result, the peoples of the USSR received developed socialism with real equality of all people.
  45. Operator
    Operator 5 October 2020 09: 50
    -1
    "The Turkish army, as in the days of Sultan Suleiman, will stand at the walls of Vienna" - this is the best option that will untie Russia's hands for actions in the western direction bully
  46. imobile2008
    imobile2008 5 October 2020 09: 51
    -2
    Quote: Gritsa
    Quote: imobile2008
    Any air defense is useless.

    Don't tell me ... There are some. But they are all in Russia. And the Armenians did not buy such. Apparently they did not believe that Azerbaijan was buying UAVs in batches. Naive highlanders ...

    Yes, of course we couldn't say anything else. at what wavelength you want to detect the plastic. Small round metal items scatter easily and don't count. It was possible to catch a radio signal, but the antennas are directional, but theoretically it is possible. But this is in bad weather conditions, and on condition that there are not several sources. What if the data exchange takes place via an optical channel, for example, via a laser?
  47. Misak Hananyan
    Misak Hananyan 5 October 2020 10: 21
    -2
    Quote: set of sets
    Was Armenia a Power? )))))

    It's like the ancient Ukrainians dug the Black Sea. ))))


    This is the type that sometimes you need to study history. Although in your case it's an incomprehensible task
  48. iouris
    iouris 5 October 2020 10: 44
    -3
    Vienna ... Moscow has completely lost its influence in the Transcaucasus. The capital of the Russian Empire and the Stalinist USSR has been heroically spent. Given that at least two foreign ministers of the Russian Federation are natives of the Transcaucasus. So much for genetics. Ku-ku!
  49. rotfuks
    rotfuks 5 October 2020 10: 47
    +8
    Just recently, RT editor-in-chief Margarita Simonyan, addressing the Armenian nation, reminded them of excessive flexibility, that the Armenians did not recognize Crimea as Russian, that they flooded Armenia with foreign NGOs and reproached that the Armenians would wake up when they saw janissaries with crooked knives at their borders. But then the Armenian diaspora made fun of Margarita Simonyan. Has Pashinyan noticed the janissary with crooked knives at the borders now? It turns out that Margarita Simonyan turned out to be more far-sighted than Pashinyan? Maybe it's time to send Pashinyan to Saakashvili's assistants and put Margarita Simonyan in his place?
    1. iouris
      iouris 5 October 2020 12: 11
      +1
      Quote: rotfuks
      addressing the Armenian nation

      “To address the nation” means to address anyone. The state is run by bureaucrats. It is these bureaucrats that must be influenced, and if they are not perceived, then they must be replaced with others who are understood.
      I foresee that after this mess the relief of the bureaucracy will change: Turkey will replace the slow-witted bureaucrats with those who understand everything correctly. Turkey is NATO, NATO is the United States.
  50. zwlad
    zwlad 5 October 2020 13: 14
    0
    Pashinyan called on the international community to influence Ankara and added that if this does not happen, then "the Turkish army, as in the days of Sultan Suleiman, will stand at the walls of Vienna."

    On the one hand, it would not be bad. Let the free geyropa suffer a little, otherwise it got drunk there. On the other hand, I feel sorry for the Armenians. They will cut out everyone.
    1. iouris
      iouris 5 October 2020 14: 32
      -1
      Erdogan threatens Europe only in the Mediterranean. Refugees and seizure of gaziv. But the given historical example ("the walls of Vienna") indicates the political vector of Pashinyan. Vienna will help him (he thinks THAT).
      In order not to cut it out, it was necessary to negotiate under Moscow's guarantees and fulfill obligations. The problems of Armenia are of little interest to the USA and France. It is important for them to push Turkey against the Russian Federation. Here Aliyev and Pashinyan hurried up. The moment was chosen such that either the war, or the loss of face (which still remains).