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End of "Free Artsakh"? What awaits Nagorno-Karabakh if ​​Baku wins

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End of "Free Artsakh"? What awaits Nagorno-Karabakh if ​​Baku wins

Apparently, the Azerbaijani army is not going to stop the armed attack on Nagorno-Karabakh and Armenia, which supports it. President Ilham Aliyev said bluntly that he does not agree that "this conflict has no military solution" and, it seems, is determined to resolve it in this way. Let's pretend for a moment that he succeeded. What then awaits the unrecognized republic that has existed for almost 30 years?


Perhaps, it should start with the fact that according to international law, as well as UN resolutions and the Bishkek agreement that stopped the bloodshed on these lands, there is no territorial-state formation with the name "Republic of Artsakh". There is the Nagorno-Karabakh Autonomous Region within Azerbaijan. Whether someone likes it or not, these are the universal agreements, recognized and signed.

In reality, the situation is such that more than 99% of the population of this area are Armenians. During the 2005 census of Azerbaijanis, it was possible to count as many as 6 people ... There is no doubt that if the region is returned to Baku by military force, if not all of its inhabitants, then the absolute majority of them will face the fate of refugees. And this is the best case.

Unfortunately, история The Nagorno-Karabakh conflict has such deep and bloody roots (after all, in fact, it lasts not at all since the 90s, but at least since the 20s of the last century), that no peaceful existence of the Armenian and Azerbaijani diasporas on this land today even there can be no question. Especially taking into account the fact that the representatives of the latter intend to come to the "primordially Azerbaijani lands" tanks...

Proceeding from the rhetoric of the same Aliyev, and by analogy with the experience of many similar situations, the Armenian population, for whom Nagorno-Karabakh is "free Artsakh", will be asked to go to their historical homeland. In the most successful variant - with the payment of some purely symbolic compensation for the lost real estate and with a minimum of movable. However, even this is unlikely: who pays the expelled "occupiers"? Most likely, official Baku will try to keep too hot heads from reprisals, but how it will turn out in practice is unknown.

Alas, in the history of the Armenian-Azerbaijani confrontation (and not only in Nagorno-Karabakh) there are too many pages that cannot be easily turned and even more so rewritten. Pogroms, killings motivated by ethnic strife and real wars, in which the death toll amounts to thousands of people on both sides, are absolutely not the basis on which to build peace and mutual understanding. Especially in the territory that each side considers its own.

Again, there is no doubt that the attempts of the Azerbaijani army to establish itself on the land of Nagorno-Karabakh will be accompanied by inevitable destruction and casualties in such cases, including among the civilian population. Yes, actually, they are already accompanied. This is the reason for new hatred and thirst for revenge. Based on this, it is quite possible to assume that even after conquering Karabakh, Baku will face a rather powerful partisan movement there. And stocks weapons, and there are more than enough people who perfectly know how to handle it.

With such a development of events, an already far from prosperous region in economic terms will inevitably plunge into complete devastation and chaos. The Azerbaijani authorities will certainly try to establish control over its exploitable economic objects and resources (the same Drmbon copper deposit), while trying to populate the conquered territory with their compatriots as much as possible.

Another question is whether they will want to go to places that may be far from hospitable. Unless those who wish can be found among those who really lived in the territory of Nagorno-Karabakh before the 1992-1994 war. But they will bring with them, in addition to nostalgia for their native places, most likely, long-standing hatred and intransigence. In any case, if Artsakh disappears into oblivion under the onslaught of Azerbaijani soldiers, peace and quiet will not be seen in this land.

However, all this can happen only on the condition that Russia completely and completely withdraws itself from the resolution of the conflict. In reality, this option seems extremely unlikely, since it will be perhaps the most severe defeat for our country, received in recent years not only in the Caucasus, but, perhaps, throughout the entire post-Soviet space.
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    1. sabakina
      sabakina 5 October 2020 10: 34 New
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      Quote: Alena-Baku
      What a pro-Armenian article the author has a problem with his conscience, to speculate in the interests of Russia in favor of Armenia for 30 pieces of silver.

      1. Stils
        Stils 5 October 2020 11: 11 New
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        Aliyev says that he does not agree with those who believe that there is no military solution to the Karabakh problem. I wonder how this hawk will sing when the military decision is made by the Armenians.
        Those. he signed that if Azerbaijan is defeated, he will have to recognize Karabakh. It will also be a military solution.
        1. iouris
          iouris 5 October 2020 12: 24 New
          -13 qualifying.
          Aliyev changed his traditional political orientation to a non-traditional one. He has no political future. Most likely, a coup has already taken place in Azerbaijan.
          1. Tatyana
            Tatyana 5 October 2020 15: 58 New
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            Quote: iouris
            Aliyev changed his traditional political orientation to a non-traditional one. He has no political future. Most likely, a coup has already taken place in Azerbaijan.

            You are closest to the truth. Namely.

            It is no secret that in modern Pashinyan Armenia the Soros / Washington policy is being implemented, and Azerbaijan is merged by Aliyev into the Ottoman plans of Erdogan's supposedly friendly Turkey.
            So Turkonism will be ahead of Azerbaijanis in full.

            In other words. Aliyev, in his expansion to the residents of NK - thanks to Erdogan - is not negotiable in the negotiation process and only requires KPITULATION from NK residents!
            As a result of Erdogan Aliyev's support, Azerbaijanis will also be in debt under the Islamized Turks as part of the Ottoman Empire of the XXI century!
            In the end, Aliyev is the Azerbaijani Gorbachev!
            May God grant the peoples of Azerbaijan intelligence and strength to resist this!
            1. Tatyana
              Tatyana 5 October 2020 16: 19 New
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              Quote: iouris
              Most likely, a coup has already taken place in Azerbaijan.
              If anything, it looks like it is.
              Since any sane person has correspondingly natural questions about this. Namely.

              1. Why doesn't Aliyev admit that he is implementing the Turkish Ottoman policy in Azerbaijan, represented by Erdogan?
              2. Why does Aliyev not recognize that the leadership of the Turkish generals dominates in the General Staff of Azerbaijan?
              3. Why does Aliyev not recognize the help of Turkey in the composition of manpower from the pro-Turkish militants from the banned terrorist organizations, which Erdogan sent to Azerbaijan by hundreds to fight N. Karabakh from Idlib?
              4. Why doesn't Aliyev say that mainly representatives of national minorities of Azerbaijan are sent to the front - to the war with NK - in Azerbaijan?
              5. Why does Azerbaijan use banned cluster shells and bombs against the civilian population of Armenia?
              6. If Erdogan wins this war, then who will Aliyev himself become for Erdogan, and Azerbaijan for Erdogan's Turkey? Turkish Gauleiter in Azerbaijan over the Turkish colony - i.e. over Turkish Azerbaijan?
              7. Why is Aliyev lying?
              1. Alex777
                Alex777 5 October 2020 21: 19 New
                +5
                Have you ever been to Azerbaijan, what are you fantasizing about?
                Aliyev is the son of his father. Behaves correctly.
                He enjoys great respect in the country.
                1. Tatyana
                  Tatyana 5 October 2020 23: 05 New
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                  Quote: Alex777
                  Aliyev is the son of his father. Behaves correctly.
                  He enjoys great respect in the country.

                  I wouldn't say that. All this respect for Aliyev, as they say, for the time being! That's what they write about him!
                  What, in fact, are ordinary Azerbaijanis fighting for?
                  For this, let us turn to the composition of the Azerbaijani army. It turns out most of all the soldiers of the Azerbaijani army who are now fighting the Armenians in Karabakh are Talysh, Lezgins and Avars. I mean ordinary soldiers, those who are sent to the front lines. And only the command staff are Azeri Turks and Turkish advisers. Accordingly, given that national minorities in Azerbaijan make up about 30% of the population, among the dead they are 80%.

                  It turns out that Talysh or Lezghins who do not care about Karabakh (they have never lived in Karabakh and have no claims to Armenians) are forcibly sent to die on the battlefield. This is how the leader of the country tries solve "two problems" in one fell swoop - destroy neighbors and destroy indigenous peoples of the region disloyal to his regime, who have inhabited these lands for thousands of years

                  Why is Aliyev better than Erdogan?
                  not only national minorities, but also all citizens of Azerbaijan are victims of the Aliyev regime. It doesn't matter if the Azeri Turks, or Talysh, or Mountain Jews. They are all citizens of the Azerbaijan Republic and all have to pay for the ambitions of their leader, who has not left the country alone for almost 20 years.
                  См. подробно. - https://zen.yandex.ru/media/puerrtto/za-chto-voiuiut-v-karabahe-prostye-azerbaidjancy-5f742f1dc859e64d80b44773
                  1. Malyuta
                    Malyuta 5 October 2020 23: 18 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Tatiana
                    См. подробно. - https://zen.yandex.ru/media/puerrtto/za-chto-voiuiut-v-karabahe-prostye-azerbaidjancy-5f742f1dc859e64d80b44773

                    Oh, my dear, where do you get information from laughing
                    Ah-ha-ha))) means Aliyev is bad, but Putin is good laughing
                    Ridiculous. And bend as best sho-thread about the Makhnovshchina, the enemies of the Russian Federation, Zhidapolovtsy and 125 convoy.
                    1. Odessa Greek
                      Odessa Greek 5 October 2020 23: 45 New
                      +5
                      Well, why don't you see a log in your own eye?))) From your irreconcilable, and of course always "reasonably just" hatred of modern Russia and Putin, here for a long time no one jarred and does not surprise, but only touches, to the point of nausea )))
                      1. Malyuta
                        Malyuta 6 October 2020 00: 32 New
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                        Quote: Odessa Greek
                        here for a long time already no one jarred and does not surprise, but only touches, to the point of nausea)))

                        Honestly, this state does not surprise me, having shook myself in my student years, and even after, on collective farms, I saw fat herds of cattle peacefully grazing on collective farm meadows. So, having eaten enough grass, the animals basked affectionately on the grass, periodically regurgitated food, then chewed it again. It turned out that this is normal behavior for them. yes Only those fat herds are gone, they were cut, and the skins were sold ...
                  2. Alex777
                    Alex777 5 October 2020 23: 48 New
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                    All this respect for Aliyev, as they say, for the time being!
                    That's what they write about him!

                    A lot is written on the barn, and there is firewood. yes
                    I was last time this year. Just before the pandemic.
                    I communicate with colleagues at least once every 3 days.
                    Although in recent days the Internet was turned off and difficulties arose.
                    I know first-hand what is happening there. High-ranking.
                    I advise you to inquire from which clan Aliyev's wife is. This will explain a lot to you.
                    So please don’t be funny. bully
                    1. Tatyana
                      Tatyana 5 October 2020 23: 57 New
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                      Quote: Alex777
                      I advise you to inquire from which clan Aliyev's wife is.
                      This will explain a lot to you.
                      So please don’t be funny.

                      The president of Ichkeria, Dudaev, a former Soviet officer, had a wife from Ukraine as well! And what of it? Dudayev did not take this into account when he gave Russian women captured by bandits in Ichkeria - in Grozny, for example - to rape them for weeks before death to his militants in Ichkeria, 20 people per woman. Children were also raped.
                      1. Alex777
                        Alex777 6 October 2020 08: 59 New
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                        President of Ichkeria Dudaev

                        Apples and uncle in Kiev.
                        Aliyev's wife is not a Slav. Did not know? lol
                      2. Tatyana
                        Tatyana 6 October 2020 10: 46 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Alex777
                        President of Ichkeria Dudaev

                        Apples and uncle in Kiev.
                        Aliyev's wife is not a Slav. Did not know? lol

                        Talking about Dudayev, I meant that the nationality of the head of state's wife may not play absolutely no role for him in suppressing the representatives of her people in the country, if she "forgives" him for this and is completely dependent on him ..

                        This is if you did not understand me, what I am telling you.
                      3. Alex777
                        Alex777 6 October 2020 14: 40 New
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                        Goporin about Dudayev, I meant that the nationality of the head of state's wife may not play absolutely no role for him in suppressing the representatives of her people ...
                        This is if you did not understand me, what I am telling you.

                        The nationality of Dudayev's Slavic wife has nothing to do with Aliyev's wife. It is obvious. bully
                        Aliyev's wife is of such an influential family that she can claim the role of head of Azerbaijan if something happens to Aliyev.
                        This is also why Aliyev's positions are very strong.
                        What would anyone not want to come up with about him.
                        I hope you now understand what I'm talking about. wink
                2. Tatyana
                  Tatyana 6 October 2020 00: 29 New
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                  Quote: Alex777
                  I know first-hand what is happening there. High-ranking.

                  As for Erdogan, Erdogan has his own political goals in relation to Aliyev and Azerbaijan. At the same time, one involuntarily recalls Erdogan's friendship with Assad, which ended in the war and the looting of the SAR by Turkey.

                  At the same time, on the one hand, Turkish leader Erdogan openly acted as parties to the conflict, transferring equipment and troops to the Karabakh front.
                  At the same time, Erdogan's message "Two peoples - one country" is very indicative for a radical Ottoman. Namely. Considering that there are many more than two peoples living in Turkey and Azerbaijan, the genocidal message of Erdogan's idea is understandable.

                  The restoration of the Ottoman Empire for Erdogan is not just an ideology, but also a consequence of a powerful economic and political crisis within Turkey itself.
                  Recently, the Turkish "lira" has dropped to record levels.
                  This crisis in Turkey serves as a real basis for Erdogan's unleashing a war in Azerbaijan and Armenia, in order to redirect the anger of his citizens to an external enemy and thereby keep Erdogan in power.

                  At the same time, the national minorities in Azerbaijan, in particular the Lezgins, do not at all consider the war of Azerbaijan against the Armenians of Nagorno-Karabakh as their war and oppose this war.
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                  3. Alex777
                    Alex777 6 October 2020 09: 02 New
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                    At the same time, one involuntarily recalls Erdogan's friendship with Assad, which ended in the war and the looting of the SAR by Turkey.

                    Do you know anything about the reasons for the war in Syria?
                    What started it all with Lebanon?
                    That the Saudis were the main initiators of this topic?
                    What did Asma play in the collapse of the friendship between Assad and Erdogan? wink
                  4. Tatyana
                    Tatyana 6 October 2020 10: 58 New
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                    It doesn't matter what played in the collapse of the friendship between Assad and Erdogan !!!
                    It is important that Erdogan did not find a conscience in himself and brazenly plundered the national wealth of sovereign Syria - SAR !!! And then he encroached on the severing of its sovereign territories from the SAR and is now occupying them !!!
                  5. Alex777
                    Alex777 6 October 2020 14: 46 New
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                    It doesn't matter what played in the collapse of the friendship between Assad and Erdogan !!!

                    Clear. Knowing facts and history is not important to you. wink
                    As for robbing, everyone is robbing Syria now.
                    And the States are the most.
                    We bombed the Turks and oil tankers have not been going to Erdogan's son for a long time. wink
                    So far, this has not been possible with the Americans.
              2. Alex777
                Alex777 6 October 2020 09: 15 New
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                At the same time, the national minorities in Azerbaijan, in particular the Lezgins, do not at all consider the war of Azerbaijan against the Armenians of Nagorno-Karabakh to be their war.

                The communists have already brought a lot of grief to Russia by dividing it into national territories.
                Political blindness prevents you from seeing the real picture. bully
              3. Tatyana
                Tatyana 6 October 2020 12: 10 New
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                Quote: Alex777
                The communists have already brought a lot of grief to Russia by dividing it into national territories.
                Political blindness prevents you from seeing the real picture.
                It is you who put aside your political blinkering along with your emotions, which will not lead to anything good for both sides!
                Indeed, on the one hand, the history of Nagorno-Karabakh and Armenia as a whole makes their conflict with Azerbaijan almost inevitable. On the other hand, in this story you need to find a way out peacefully.
                This is what history tells us, which has mercilessly shaped such a future. Namely.

                At the time of the inclusion of the territory of modern Armenia and Karabakh to the Russian Empire Armenians in these lands were already an ethnic minority: centuries of foreign occupation were accompanied by persecutions against Armenians, because of which they, like the Jews of ancient Israel, mostly did not live in their historical homeland.
                Under the rule of RI, the reverse process of migration of Armenians began - and by its end the majority in Armenia (and Karabakh) again became Armenians: according to data for 1923, in the Nagorno-Karabakh Autonomous Region there were 94% of them, and Azerbaijanis - 6%. But when the USSR was formed, the leadership in Moscow did not delve into all this and included it as autonomous in Azerbaijan.
                Then everything was sadly predictable. How he talked about his work in Soviet times Azerbaijani President Heydar Aliyev: "I tried to have more Azerbaijanis in Nagorno-Karabakh, and the number of Armenians to decrease." It was impossible to expect anything else: Azerbaijanis (until the 94th century they were often called Turks or Turks) and Armenians had been in conflict for centuries, and, naturally, having gained control over the Armenian lands, Baku tried to make them as less Armenian as possible. By the end of the Soviet period, the share of Armenians there fell from 76% to XNUMX%.

                Then the 90s began, which is why peace and order in Transcaucasia ended - and, apparently, for a long time. In the first half of the 90s, Armenia (about three million population) and the Armenians of Nagorno-Karabakh (about 150 thousand), in conditions of a significant numerical and military-technical superiority of the enemy, were able to survive in a military clash with Azerbaijan (about 10 million population).

                See in detail - https://naked-science.ru/article/history/karabah-pochemu-vojna-byla-neizbezhna-komu-ona-vygodna-i-chem-zakonchitsya
      2. iouris
        iouris 7 October 2020 11: 03 New
        -3
        Quote: Alex777
        Aliev is the son of his father.

        Not original.
        Quote: Alex777
        Behaves correctly. He enjoys great respect in the country.

        If you add: "He knows how to keep military and state secrets", it looks like a standard Soviet "lens".
        We know what happens after the overthrow of such "respected leaders": the "people" begin to brandish the overthrown with shame and praise the wisdom of the victorious "leader".
        Moreover, now "two peoples - one country."
    2. kris_67
      kris_67 6 October 2020 15: 38 New
      -3
      And who said that Karabakh is against returning to Azerbaijan? Against Armenia represented by Russia. Go there, I was there, poverty and nothing else. It will not be worse for sure.
    3. shamil
      shamil 6 October 2020 22: 33 New
      -1
      understatement is also a way to lie. Collected all the gossip.
      Why is Aliyev a conductor of Turkey's interests? One million Azerbaijani refugees. This is the pain and humiliation of the country. For 30 years, the Armenians did not liberate the occupied territories. Now they will lose everything.
      Turkey is a conductor of Aliyev's interests. It will be more accurate.
      Russia did not give a damn about its interests in the Caucasus. There will now be a vassal of Turkey in the Caucasus. This is politics. It's your own fault.
  • g1v2
    g1v2 5 October 2020 12: 41 New
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    Even Armenia did not recognize Karabakh - why should he recognize it? belay In fact, he put a fork to Armenia. If Armenia does not openly enter the war against the Azeri on the side of the NKR, then the Azeri will at least squeeze out a good piece of Karabakh, which Pashinyan will hardly be forgiven. But at the same time, the territory of Armenia remains under the protection of the Russian Federation, and the DB zone for Armenians will be limited to the NKR. If Armenia enters the war, it will lose the right to defend the CSTO and will turn out to be an aggressor trying to encroach on the territory of Azerbaijan. Then Aliyev will be able to wage war not only on the territory of the NKR, where everything has been strengthened for years, but also on the territory of Armenia, where there is no such defense.
    Another thing is that his stocks of weapons and equipment are not endless and sooner or later will show the bottom. And it is unrealistic for the advancing side to be supplied from the wheels without having reserves.
    But on the whole, Aliyev turned out to be smarter than his opponents. I waited for a window of opportunity, dug up resources, enlisted help and attacked. Against the background of Pashinyan, he looks quite a personality. request
    1. Stirbjorn
      Stirbjorn 5 October 2020 13: 32 New
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      Quote: g1v2
      Against the background of Pashinyan, he looks quite a personality.

      Especially against the background of Pashinyan's appeals, to the time of Tigran the Great
    2. Odessa Greek
      Odessa Greek 5 October 2020 23: 48 New
      +3
      I agree that in this situation, Pashinyan's policy over the past two years is like a big top, and Pashinyan himself looks like a sad parsley, with all due respect to the Armenian people.
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  • astepanov
    astepanov 5 October 2020 12: 56 New
    +5
    This is not a pro-Armenian article. Like it or not, the fighting is taking place in a territory populated by ethnic Armenians who fled there from the massacre. And if the war does not stop, then a new massacre is inevitable - especially since the Turks have joined in.
    1. shamil
      shamil 6 October 2020 22: 35 New
      -1
      It was the Armenians themselves who said that they had lived there for centuries. And they have not existed in the Caucasus for 200 years.
  • Basil50
    Basil50 5 October 2020 15: 15 New
    +9
    It’s a pity that people are dying.
    But I have an uncomfortable question for the Armenians. Well, what the fuck ...... * do you * dashnaks *? In the last century, they have already provoked * the Armenian genocide *. Do you really not know how to read what the * fathers of the founders * of the * Dashnak movement * themselves wrote in the action program and then allowed themselves revelations about their own deeds?
    It seems to me that during the seizure of N Karabakh by Azerbaijan, the Armenians will be the same as the Armenians with * non-Armenians * during the capture of N Karabakh.
    1. Butchcassidy
      Butchcassidy 6 October 2020 17: 55 New
      +1
      My friend, sort out the issue and don't talk nonsense. The Dashnaks have many sins, but they did not provoke anything.
  • nemez
    nemez 6 October 2020 06: 19 New
    +5
    I will support, but the Armenians who live in Russia, in particular in the Urals, say that the government of Armenia is degenerate. And they do not want to return to their homeland. We found ours - we are more Russians.
  • Nyrobsky
    Nyrobsky 5 October 2020 10: 45 New
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    Quote: Alena-Baku
    What a pro-Armenian article the author has a problem with his conscience, to speculate in the interests of Russia in favor of Armenia for 30 pieces of silver.

    Why pro-Armenian? The author presented to the public his vision of what will happen if Baku establishes its control over this territory. Do you see it differently? Do you think Azerbaijanis will enter NKR with flowers and provide local residents with equal rights and freedoms? So after all, the hedgehog understands that this will not happen, and in this territory the repressive apparatus will work by 110%. What is the author wrong? Probably the option - "a bad world, better than a good quarrel" would be preferable, if only because three decades relatively peaceful coexistence of Armenians and Azerbaijanis can be replaced by decades of partisan war and no one (neither Baku, nor Yerevan) will be able to ensure the safety of the civilian population on this territory.
    It is necessary to agree.
    1. Albay
      Albay 5 October 2020 11: 36 New
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      The author is fundamentally wrong. What does it mean that 99 percent of the population of Karabakh is now Armenians?
      Where have Azerbaijanis gone? Correctly expelled! In addition to them, about a million Azerbaijanis were expelled from other occupied regions! What did the author and all of you not care about? Why did the author decide that we will expel everyone? We have repeatedly stated that they want to live peacefully, let them live, they do not want to run away themselves. We are a thin world for 30 years. saw it much worse than the war.
      What about now "invincible", "super-spiritual" Armenian soldiers are running in both directions of our offensive, throwing equipment and ammunition. They left a full minbat in Jabrayil.
      Every day you can take back your lands, and now, from morning till night, they are kneeling on their knees asking world leaders to stop the war and help them.
      1. Stas157
        Stas157 5 October 2020 11: 58 New
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        Quote: Albay
        What it means Are 99 percent of the population of Karabakh now Armenians?

        If I am not mistaken, the Azerbaijanis have always been in the minority there. Well, now and not at all. I have a question, why would Azerbaijan need a territory without an Azerbaijani population? Will Azerbaijanis go there to live (if they win)? I doubt it! I definitely wouldn't go.
        1. Albay
          Albay 5 October 2020 12: 40 New
          +7
          Not always, 150 years ago, there were no Armenians at all, and since Soviet times there is a monument about the date of the resettlement of Armenians in Karbakh, erected by the Armenians themselves.
          They were resettled from Persia to Karabakh in the 19th century.
          1. Stas157
            Stas157 5 October 2020 12: 45 New
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            Quote: Albay
            150 years ago there were no Armenians at all

            Well, this radically changes the matter !!))) Turks from Istanbul also need to be expelled, they were not there 400 years ago either!

            And yet, it is true, the question torments)) Why does Azerbaijan need a territory where there are no Azerbadzans, but there is a very hostile population? After all, the real problems after the seizure of such a territory can only begin.
            1. Gloomy skeptic
              Gloomy skeptic 5 October 2020 14: 25 New
              +7
              Well, this radically changes the matter !!))) Turks from Istanbul also need to be expelled, they were not there 400 years ago either!
              Cool noticed !!!
              And it’s time to expel the Anglo-Saxons from North America, Latinos from South and Central America, and this list is endless !!!
            2. Garris199
              Garris199 5 October 2020 21: 26 New
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              Why, the Azeri will come "smell roses, smell daisies", and the Armenians suddenly accidentally cut themselves on sharp objects, get scared and run away. Azeri will run to catch up with them to help and shower with flowers, but unfortunately they will not be able to catch up. But they will carefully look everywhere to see if there is an Armenian left somewhere in Karabakh, who needs urgent help, they will not find anyone, they will be very upset, of course, but what to do, they will have to live without Armenians and hope that they will definitely return someday.
            3. Artavazdych
              Artavazdych 6 October 2020 14: 08 New
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              Oh what are you talking about! The great Turkic civilization is 10 thousand years old, and before they inhabited almost the entire planet. The Black Sea was dug, the Caucasus Mountains were poured, etc. Do you think I'm confusing with ukrami? It's possible, but the history books of both those and others were written according to the same training manual.
            4. Butchcassidy
              Butchcassidy 6 October 2020 17: 57 New
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              It is very simple: Baku plans to make sure that this population (the Armenians of Nagorno-Karabakh) does not become there.
          2. Albay
            Albay 5 October 2020 12: 56 New
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            I wrote to your statement that there were always Armenians in the majority. In Armenia, Azerbaijanis were always in the majority. In Yerevan, in general, even in Soviet times, there were more Azerbaijanis than Armenians. They were quietly forced out. Why then in Armenia the land where Azerbaijanis lived. Why did they go to live then. ?
            I don't care what is in Istanbul.
            We will not leave one inch of our land to the enemy.
            1. Kronos
              Kronos 5 October 2020 13: 18 New
              -4
              Capitalist Aliyev drives you to the slaughter under patriotic slogans to distract you from internal problems.
              1. Greenwood
                Greenwood 5 October 2020 16: 54 New
                +7
                Azerbaijan clearly has fewer problems than Pashinyan Armenia.
              2. Albay
                Albay 5 October 2020 18: 32 New
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                Kronas can drive you. Everyone has a problem, but we have them not critical. People have been storming the military registration and enlistment offices since August. We don't need to drive us to war, we have been waiting for this day for 30 years.
            2. vVvAD
              vVvAD 5 October 2020 16: 03 New
              +3
              Ok, but now this territory is completely inhabited by Armenians, i.e. the question is still relevant:
              Quote: Stas157
              Why does Azerbaijan need a territory where there are no Azeri residents, but there is a very hostile population? After all, the real problems after the seizure of such a territory can only begin.
        2. Stirbjorn
          Stirbjorn 5 October 2020 13: 38 New
          +5
          Quote: Stas157
          Will Azerbaijanis go there to live (if they win)?

          Azerbaijanis claim to settle their abandoned villages along the perimeter of Karabakh. The Armenians did not settle them, in the end. In Viki it is called the security belt of Nagorno-Karabakh. marked in yellow on the map hi
        3. astepanov
          astepanov 5 October 2020 17: 12 New
          18
          And do not forget that many Armenians came to Karabakh as refugees after the massacres of Armenians in Baku and Sumgait. There, Armenians were thrown out of the windows of high-rise buildings in the hope of profitable housing - just like during the well-known events in one Caucasian city, where they did this with the Russians. Where should the Armenians flee now? Wander again? They will stand to the last. Hatred in both those and others has accumulated beyond measure, and they will not find a common language. This is scary.
        4. shamil
          shamil 6 October 2020 22: 40 New
          0
          How many Russians are there in Armenia? How many mixed families do Armenians have? And their policy is similar to the Jewish one, when they create settlements on the occupied territory? Do you have sympathy for these ... who secretly act against all nations?
      2. Xenofont
        Xenofont 5 October 2020 12: 18 New
        15
        A counter question: where did the Armenians from Azerbaijan go? Without the acceptance of anybody's side, an unequivocal answer about the justice of the actions of both Armenians and Azerbaijanis cannot be found.
        1. Albay
          Albay 5 October 2020 12: 41 New
          -5
          40 thousand Armenians still live in Azerbaijan, did you not know?
          During yesterday's shelling of Ganja by the Armenians, a woman, an Armenian by nationality, was wounded.
          As it became known, one of the victims is a local resident of Armenian origin Karina Romanovna Grigoryan (born in 1943). An elderly woman was admitted to the Ganja hospital.
          We are not Nazis, unlike the enemy.
          1. Xenofont
            Xenofont 5 October 2020 13: 44 New
            +4
            Do not make me laugh! For 10 million Azerbaijanis? How many Armenians were there before all the events? Mutual terror nullifies mutual claims.
            1. Albay
              Albay 5 October 2020 18: 36 New
              -1
              Why should I make you laugh? How many Azerbaijanis were in Armenia and how many are now? We have at least 40 thousand left to live, so the problem is not in us but in the Armenians? Yes, I don’t care about their terror, we are already accustomed to Armenian terrorism.
              The enemy will be defeated! Victory is ours!
              1. Xenofont
                Xenofont 5 October 2020 18: 41 New
                +5
                Well, of course! Don't say "Gop!" I don't take sides, and slogans are superfluous here.
                1. Albay
                  Albay 5 October 2020 18: 46 New
                  -5
                  You just keep the side when you say they are all olinakovy. First, get acquainted with the history of the conflict deeper, then arrogantly blurt out.
                  I say "gop" because we've already jumped. I know what I'm talking about.
                  1. Xenofont
                    Xenofont 5 October 2020 18: 49 New
                    0
                    Oh, are you already portraying Hamley? Doesn't your upbringing allow you to talk politely? Familiar with the history of the issue better than you, trending.
                    1. Albay
                      Albay 5 October 2020 18: 53 New
                      -5
                      Hey, don't shit, you are not familiar with the history of the issue. Tryndish for now.
                    2. Xenofont
                      Xenofont 5 October 2020 19: 15 New
                      0
                      Fuck off, tired
          2. Albay
            Albay 5 October 2020 18: 50 New
            0
            And why should there be more than 10 thousand Armenians by 40 million?
            Are you giving orders?
        2. astepanov
          astepanov 5 October 2020 17: 27 New
          13
          Quote: Albay
          40 thousand Armenians still live in Azerbaijan, did you not know?

          They knew, they knew. There are 120 thousand of them. But this is precisely the population of Nagorno-Karabakh, which is still considered the citizens of Azerbaijan. Only a few thousand Armenians live outside Karabakh, and almost all of them belong to mixed families. Alertness after the massacres in Baku and Sumgait has not gone anywhere. The families of those killed did not receive compensation, and the organizers of the massacre were not punished. Do you think that Armenians sleep and see to relive it again? However, the Armenians are also not angels and are also guilty of many deaths - and here the leadership of the USSR and the national elites of both republics should be blamed. In general, I cannot imagine how to solve the problem with such a stock of mutual hatred. Unless someone stands between them and barks: "Enough!" But should a Russian soldier once again expose his chest to bullets because of other people's problems? It seems that neither Armenia nor Azerbaijan will lift a finger for Russia.
          1. Albay
            Albay 5 October 2020 18: 41 New
            -3
            Considering that not the massacre, but the pogroms in Sumgait were organized by the Armenians themselves, your insunuations are stupid. One of the leaders of the pogroms in Sumgait was Eduard Grigoryan. He personally killed 6 Armenians and raped the Melkumyan sisters. All this is reflected in the investigation conducted by the Prosecutor General's Office of the USSR. documentary film. In addition to him, 6 more Armenians were arrested, who handed over to Grigoryan the lists of Armenians who did not make contributions to the "Krunk" society.
            A year later, Grigoryan was handed over to Armenia and was released there safely. Now he lives happily ever after in Russia.
            1. astepanov
              astepanov 5 October 2020 19: 40 New
              10
              What are you talking about? One Armenian criminal raised a crowd of thousands of kind Azerbaijanis to massacre, robbery, violence? Hundreds of wounded, including from the internal troops - and all this was done by the Armenians? And in Baku they cut themselves, right? It remains for you to add that in Grozny the Russians killed themselves and threw themselves out of the windows in order to denigrate the unfortunate peace-loving Chechens-Dudayevites. By the way, many of Dudayev's followers moved to Azerbaijan. Understand, finally, there is no reason to consider the Armenians white and fluffy, and in general, much of the blame for the scale of the tragedy lies with the Soviet and local party bodies of both republics of that time, the true scale is unknown, the real organizers either hid or hid them, but now we must think not about who is to blame, but about people - both Armenians and Azerbaijanis, who are still alive. Violence can only breed violence.
              Best regards
              1. Albay
                Albay 5 October 2020 21: 02 New
                -3
                This is not me, but the General Prosecutor's Office of the USSR, of course, Grigoryan was not alone. Together with him, 6 more Armenians were identified, I wrote above, and who led Grigoryan himself I have to guess. I should read you a criminal case. It was easy to raise people Azerbaijanis expelled from Armenia arrived in Sumgait and Baku. Many of them lost their relatives and loved ones in Armenia, they were also expelled from Kafan, Gukark and other regions, beaten, humiliated, and some of them killed loved ones again. The soil was blogging for incitement. WHAT REASON THESE PEOPLE WERE EXPULSED FROM ARMENIA AND KILLED AND BEATENED THEM. WHY ALL THE USSR LEADERSHIP WAS SILENT? Baku and the Internal Troops of the USSR patrolled every street. Three days before the events, all the police and internal troops disappeared from the streets. On the day of the pogroms, detachments of 5-6 people appeared, whom almost no one knew. I saw everything with my own eyes. I do not agree that there is no need to look for the guilty, they say everyone is guilty. No, the culprits of all these events are the Armenian Nazis and their followers in the leadership of the USSR. None of the Soviet workers hid, it was organized. None of the Armenian Soviet did not suffer for the expulsion of Azerbaijanis from Armenia. Asks why they were expelled, beaten and killed? Why was the whole USSR silent about this? Why were those beaten humiliated to Sumggait and Baku sent? Until you all understand what the problem was, how the conflict began and what were the actions one or another from the very beginning, you will not be able to understand why and how everything will end. I was younger 10 years ago and it was interesting for me to see the surprised faces of my comrades here when I presented them with facts and arguments about this. Now there is a war and I am completely no matter who thinks what. The main thing is that the day that I and my people have been waiting for 30 years and the enemy will be defeated! Victory will be ours !!!
                Best regards
          2. Modun
            Modun 5 October 2020 22: 53 New
            0
            Especially if there is a Turkish soldier behind one
            1. Albay
              Albay 6 October 2020 00: 11 New
              -2
              And I deeply don’t give a damn about that that you think that Turkish soldiers are behind our soldiers. Deeply don’t care. The main thing is that there is a war going on and we are winning. Soviet troops stood for the Armenians, Russian soldiers are still standing. Victory will be ours !!!
        3. Artavazdych
          Artavazdych 6 October 2020 14: 16 New
          -1
          Here I am, a Nazi, I will answer you)
          My mother, an Azerbaijani, but with an Armenian surname, flew back to her historical homeland in Baku back in 1991. She was "received" at the airport and spent three days in a cell. Do you know what charge she was charged with? Why has she still not divorced the Armenian and changed her surname?
          She was sent to Russia without money, jewelry and "extra" clothes.
    2. Errr
      Errr 5 October 2020 13: 46 New
      0
      Quote: Albay
      In addition to them, another million Azerbaijanis were expelled from other occupied regions!
      Oops !!! belay
    3. Odessa Greek
      Odessa Greek 5 October 2020 23: 52 New
      0
      Unfortunately, it is not evening yet and it is not time for the victorious reports of Azerbaijan, nothing is clear yet, if rivers of blood of Azerbaijanis and Armenians will continue to flow like this, if the howl is not stopped.
      1. Albay
        Albay 6 October 2020 00: 17 New
        0
        Why not evening!
        We liberate our lands and do it professionally and most importantly at the level of the most advanced armies in the world. We have nowhere to hurry!
        You don't need to worry about your blood in your country. You don't need to worry about us. This is our Motherland and we will pay with our blood as much as we need. As our Supreme Commander-in-Chief said, if the Armenians from Armenia do not want to die, let them get out of our land to their Armenia.
  • Lipchanin
    Lipchanin 5 October 2020 11: 45 New
    +7
    Quote: Nyrobsky
    So after all, the hedgehog understands that this will not happen, and in this territory the repressive apparatus will work by 110%.

    And no one can stop this massacre
    Nobody will just listen to them
  • paul3390
    paul3390 5 October 2020 10: 59 New
    23
    You yourself are actually pushing Russia to help Armenia by spinning the shura-mura with the Turks .. If not for this, the Russian Federation would most likely remain neutral, because both sides do not cause any special sympathy .. But we cannot allow the Ottomans to enter the Caspian Sea, nor Iran. So you yourself have chosen the alignment ..
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 5 October 2020 11: 22 New
      18
      Turks in the Caspian, this is already a problem!
      And they seem to be there!
      This is a NATO country, no matter what they do there .... they are NOT FRIENDS to us!
      1. Lipchanin
        Lipchanin 5 October 2020 11: 47 New
        +5
        Quote: rocket757
        And they seem to be there!

        Yes, most likely.
        Turks will do everything for this
      2. Gloomy skeptic
        Gloomy skeptic 5 October 2020 14: 30 New
        +2
        Turks in the Caspian, this is already a problem!
        What's the problem? Have they already learned to breathe underwater? If the Turks in Syria just went across the border and did not really manage to do anything there, then in the Caspian Sea, across three borders, they will create a miracle? Don't tell my old slippers !!!
    2. user1212
      user1212 5 October 2020 11: 31 New
      +4
      Quote: paul3390
      But to allow the Ottomans to enter the Caspian

      What is it like? Even if we admit the complete loyalty of Azerbaijan, which is not so, then Armenia does not interfere with them either. Not through Armenia, so through Georgia
      1. paul3390
        paul3390 5 October 2020 11: 37 New
        +7
        How - let our guarantor decide, that's why he sits upstairs. But a fact is a fact - if the Ottomans come out to the Caspian, both we and Iran will get a lot of problems ..
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 5 October 2020 12: 27 New
          -2
          Our government has overgrown with a bunch of close and effective managers .... there is no one to do business, a bunch of half-educated people with strange skills.
          If the military, more or less work, then political and outwardly directed activities at this level, then I don't want to talk about that.
    3. kotdavin4i
      kotdavin4i 5 October 2020 13: 12 New
      +8
      Quote: paul3390
      But to allow the Ottomans to enter the Caspian

      Dear You already in the third article indicate that the Turks came to the Caspian ... Have you read the documents on the status of the Caspian? You know that in the Caspian only with the consent of ALL countries that go out to it, someone's appearance is possible ... and it seems to me that at least Russia and Iran will not agree to this.
      1. paul3390
        paul3390 5 October 2020 13: 17 New
        +4
        And what - has Turkey been paying particular attention to all kinds of documents and agreements lately? They will say that both Azerbaijan entered and will leave all these agreements ..
        1. kotdavin4i
          kotdavin4i 5 October 2020 13: 21 New
          +2
          Quote: paul3390
          They will say that both Azerbaijan entered and will leave all these agreements ..

          I'm not sure if you understand politics well - here is an agreement of several countries - it's not so easy to get out of it - there are a lot of points, including economic ones. Azerbaijan will not agree to this.
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 5 October 2020 15: 11 New
            +4
            Time will judge us all!
            Just don't want us to get a minus!
            P.S. time is now such that all sorts of contracts are destroyed in the light.
      2. Grits
        Grits 6 October 2020 13: 49 New
        0
        Quote: kotdavin4i
        Have you read the documents on the status of the Caspian? You know that in the Caspian only with the consent of ALL countries that go to it, someone's appearance is possible.

        The Turks are now impudent and are sending everyone very far away. Likewise, Iran and I will be sent along with all these pieces of paper across the Caspian. And Azerbaijan will give them a boost. Russia's cowardly policy has already cost the loss of Georgia, Ukraine and Azerbaijan. The rest are next.
        1. kotdavin4i
          kotdavin4i 6 October 2020 13: 52 New
          +1
          Quote: Gritsa
          Likewise, Iran and I will be sent

          Why are you insulting Russia so much? There is no "cowardly" politics - there is a reasonable choice. Azerbaijan is not pushing, Azerbaijan has its own planning for the future.
          1. Grits
            Grits 6 October 2020 14: 32 New
            -1
            Quote: kotdavin4i
            There is no "cowardly" politics - there is a reasonable choice. Azerbaijan is not pushing

            If there had not been such a "reasonable" policy, then since 2008 a pro-Russian president has been sitting in Tbilisi and all of Georgia would happily sing Russian songs. And starting from 2014, in addition to Crimea, Russia would include all of southeastern Ukraine and Transnistria.
    4. vVvAD
      vVvAD 5 October 2020 16: 06 New
      0
      + a new massacre or humanitarian catastrophe in the post-Soviet space is not permissible.
      1. Grits
        Grits 6 October 2020 13: 50 New
        -1
        Quote: vVvAD
        a new massacre or a humanitarian catastrophe in the post-Soviet space is not permissible.

        How? will we pray harder or compose notes of protest?
    5. Odessa Greek
      Odessa Greek 5 October 2020 23: 53 New
      -3
      To the point, only because of this Russia can get along with the Armenians
      1. Alexey Z
        Alexey Z 6 October 2020 17: 52 New
        0
        Or maybe stand up for the Azerbaijanis and stop the massacre?
  • apro
    apro 5 October 2020 10: 12 New
    -17 qualifying.
    since this will be perhaps the most difficult defeat for our country

    As I understand it, Russia is involved in this conflict? Or is it about some other country. Russian politicians for 30 years have not done anything to solve it. They only threw firewood into the fire .... there are no relations with Baku. Because they don’t believe Russia . in Yerevan. Russian influence is also not very. they have their own bourgeois ... and they also want to eat.
    It will be .. that will be. No need to create unnecessary problems in the region. Control over the situation in which was lost more than 30 years ago.
    1. neri73-r
      neri73-r 5 October 2020 10: 33 New
      -2
      Quote: apro
      control over the situation in which it was lost more than 30 years ago.

      Once lost, then it's time to go back and control.
      1. apro
        apro 5 October 2020 10: 34 New
        -6
        Quote: neri73-r
        Once lost, then it's time to go back and control

        For what purpose?
        1. neri73-r
          neri73-r 5 October 2020 10: 37 New
          -1
          And here everything is simple, either we are a Great country with certain ambitions, or an ordinary ("normal") country, like Sweden or Poland, as comrades Romans and fascists said - to each his own!
          1. apro
            apro 5 October 2020 10: 44 New
            -11 qualifying.
            Quote: neri73-r
            or we are a great country with certain

            By what parameters? here it is necessary to be more exact. great in what. and for whom ... and then Russia is already a great energy power ... so that oil and bend over.
            1. Victorio
              Victorio 5 October 2020 10: 53 New
              0
              Quote: apro
              Quote: neri73-r
              or we are a great country with certain

              By what parameters? here it is necessary to be more exact. great in what. and for whom ... and then Russia is already a great energy power ... so that oil and bend over.

              ===
              ) and the greats have their weaknesses. there, how America crackles.
            2. Odessa Greek
              Odessa Greek 5 October 2020 23: 55 New
              +1
              As I understand it, you are not from Russia, do you speak your thoughts from Sumeria or Livonia?))
        2. Lipchanin
          Lipchanin 5 October 2020 11: 49 New
          -1
          Quote: apro
          For what purpose?

          Stop the carnage
          1. apro
            apro 5 October 2020 11: 54 New
            +9
            Quote: Lipchanin
            Stop the carnage

            The boys are adults. To figure it out themselves. They achieved independence on the bones of the USSR. Their civilizational path is separate from the Russians.
            1. Lipchanin
              Lipchanin 5 October 2020 11: 58 New
              +2
              Quote: apro
              Boys are adults.

              Themselves will not stop. There are a lot of people who want not to stop it. What are the Turks doing there?
              It means they need it, but we can't?
              1. apro
                apro 5 October 2020 12: 45 New
                -4
                Quote: Lipchanin
                Themselves will not stop

                So not adults. But to be a nanny for bearded little boys. With a formed worldview ???
                Quote: Lipchanin
                It means they need it, but we can't?

                First, you will decide what you need, and then teach others, educate, and do as you do at home ...
                1. Lipchanin
                  Lipchanin 5 October 2020 13: 18 New
                  0
                  Quote: apro

                  So not adults. But to be a nanny for bearded little boys. With a formed worldview ???

                  I ask again. Turks, what are they doing there?
                  First, you will decide what you need, and then teach others, educate, and do as you do at home ...

                  Well, how do you know that we have not decided?
                  1. apro
                    apro 5 October 2020 13: 26 New
                    0
                    Quote: Lipchanin
                    I ask again. Turks, what are they doing there?

                    Perhaps they can give more than the Russians ..
                    Quote: Lipchanin
                    Well, how do you know that we have not decided?

                    A simple example with the Turks, then with Erdogan in the gums, then the plane was shot down, then again in the gums, then the Turkish stream, then then Syria ... the grandmothers rule ...
                    1. Lipchanin
                      Lipchanin 5 October 2020 13: 50 New
                      -3
                      Quote: apro
                      Perhaps they can give more than the Russians ..

                      So the Russians have nothing to do there, but the Turks are just right?
                      Isn't it funny yourself?
                      Well, how do you know that we have not decided?

                      I didn't say a word about the gums and the plane.
                      But again there is no answer to a direct question
                      1. apro
                        apro 5 October 2020 14: 01 New
                        -1
                        Quote: Lipchanin
                        So the Russians have nothing to do there, but the Turks are just right?
                        Isn't it funny yourself?

                        I giggle with Russian hucksters .... what can the Russians offer? An efficient economy? .A strong financial system?
                        Quote: Lipchanin
                        I didn't say a word about the gums and the plane

                        This is a simple example of inconsistency and dependency ...
                      2. Lipchanin
                        Lipchanin 5 October 2020 14: 20 New
                        -3
                        Quote: apro
                        I giggle with Russian hucksters .... what can the Russians offer? An efficient economy? .A strong financial system?

                        And the Turks will offer? Ripped off as sticky and driven into debt
                        This is a simple example of inconsistency and dependency.

                        Quite right, inconsistencies when asked
                        Well, how do you know that we have not decided?

                        You need to weave anything, but not answer
                2. Scorpio05
                  Scorpio05 5 October 2020 14: 08 New
                  +5
                  And where are the Turks, so far the pilot of the SU-25 that has entered the mountain has a sonorous "Armenian" name and surname: Valery Danelin. I flew to bomb Azerbaijani positions. And also, according to Semyon Bagdasrov, in the last broadcast of V. Solovyov, a battalion of Kurds, which has already suffered heavy losses, is fighting on the side of the Armenians, and S. Bagdasarov, according to him. The Karabakh Armenian will not lie, this time.
                  1. Lipchanin
                    Lipchanin 5 October 2020 14: 23 New
                    -4
                    Quote: Scorpio05
                    And where are the Turks,

                    And who rules the Turkish UAVs?
                    Is it okay that ISIS members are transported there from Syria by planes?
                    1. Scorpio05
                      Scorpio05 5 October 2020 14: 37 New
                      +4
                      Quote: Lipchanin
                      Quote: Scorpio05
                      And where are the Turks,

                      And who rules the Turkish UAVs?
                      Is it okay that ISIS members are transported there from Syria by planes?

                      The influence of the media and TV is also felt in your answer. Do you have exact information about who is driving Turkish UAVs? Is it okay that we have been operating a UAV control school for 9-10 years?
                      Secondly, as far as I know, fighters of the Syrian Free Army are being transported from Syria to Libya, which is in the most hostile relations with Daesh (ISIS). Nobody is brought to Azerbaijan, there is not a single fact, except for the wretched Armenian fakes.
                      Thirdly, the Armenians are spreading everywhere video and photo materials with Azerbaijani soldiers who died for the freedom of their homeland. So, there is not a single (!) Corpse of Middle Eastern origin. It is very easy to distinguish them from the servicemen of the regular Azerbaijani army and from the Azerbaijanis in general.
                      Fourthly, have you not forgotten that military operations are being conducted on the territory of Azerbaijan, not Armenia? The territory of Azerbaijan is occupied, not Armenia.
                      Now, purely hypothetical ...
                      In your opinion, Azerbaijan has no right to fight back, even theoretically (well, suddenly in the future), with someone else's help? But what about Article 51 of the UN Charter on the exercise of the right to self-defense, attention: individual or COLLECTIVE?
                      It turns out that Syria did not have the right to call on Russia, Iran and other whole bunch of organizations like: IRGC, Hezbollah, Fatimiyun, Iraqi Hashdi Shabi and fight off an attack from outside? But what about the thesis that foreign armed forces are fighting in favor of the Syrian government are and are fighting legally at the official invitation of the legitimate government of Syria?
                    2. iouris
                      iouris 5 October 2020 14: 44 New
                      +2
                      Quote: Scorpio05
                      fighters of the Syrian Free Army, which is in the most hostile relationship with Daesh (ISIS), are taken there.

                      Easier: "good" terrorists are taken there.
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          2. Local from the Volga
            Local from the Volga 5 October 2020 20: 40 New
            -4
            You should have gone out of here, wretched!
      2. Jager
        Jager 5 October 2020 12: 43 New
        +2
        Are you a nationalist, my friend? The "civilization path" of such regions ends in a bloody massacre with the massacre of tens of thousands of civilians.
        1. apro
          apro 5 October 2020 12: 49 New
          -1
          Quote: Jager
          Are you a nationalist, my friend? The "civilization path" of such regions ends in a bloody massacre with the massacre of tens of thousands of civilians.

          I am closer to the red. And these raborka because of the dough. And the authorities are unacceptable to me.
  • Grits
    Grits 6 October 2020 13: 51 New
    0
    Quote: apro
    For what purpose?

    The main thing is how?
  • Lipchanin
    Lipchanin 5 October 2020 11: 48 New
    0
    Quote: apro
    .Russian politicians for 30 years have not done anything to solve. but only threw wood into the fire ...

    How was the firewood thrown?
    1. apro
      apro 5 October 2020 11: 51 New
      -1
      Quote: Lipchanin
      Quote: apro
      .Russian politicians for 30 years have not done anything to solve. but only threw wood into the fire ...

      How was the firewood thrown?

      They sold weapons to both sides.
      1. Lipchanin
        Lipchanin 5 October 2020 11: 55 New
        +1
        Quote: apro
        They sold weapons to both sides.

        Right. Neither side was unilaterally armed. Parity is parity
        Don't you remember the Iraq war with Iran? Only weapons from the USSR fought there, and it never occurred to anyone to accuse the Nkash country that we kindled a war there.
        1. Revival
          Revival 5 October 2020 13: 41 New
          +5
          Well then, on the Iranian side, the weapons were more likely from the USA
          1. Lipchanin
            Lipchanin 5 October 2020 13: 51 New
            -3
            Quote: Revival
            Well then, on the Iranian side, the weapons were more likely from the USA

            Where would one side be armed
        2. apro
          apro 5 October 2020 14: 02 New
          -3
          Quote: Lipchanin
          Don't you remember the Iraqi war with Iran?

          A good example ... just don't pretend to be peacekeepers.
      2. Avior
        Avior 5 October 2020 12: 29 New
        +6
        to some they sold, to others they did not quite sell them, they lent them.
        interesting, give?
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  • Oleg123219307
    Oleg123219307 5 October 2020 10: 13 New
    39
    What a beautiful article ... What a cool veiled message - either Russia is once again saving the Armenians, or it will be Russia's biggest defeat. Gentlemen, you would have thought about it when Russian schools were closed. Or when they rode at the rallies - "the Russian invaders went out." Or when, over the past 2 years, we ourselves have broken everything that everyone, including us, has painstakingly built for 30 years in the negotiation process ... And now, please, should we ruin our guys for your interests? I think the only worthy option would be the resignation of Pashinyan, followed by a request from the Republic of Armenia and Karabakh to join the Russian Federation. Then you can still think. And so, why did it surrender to us to throw our guys under the bullets for the sake of strangers to us, who also call us invaders?
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 5 October 2020 10: 22 New
      +8
      Quote: oleg123219307
      followed by the request of the Republic of Armenia and Karabakh to join the Russian Federation.

      I absolutely agree that this should be the only option in which the Russian Federation will send troops there.
      But I'm afraid the guys upstairs will come up with another reason.
      1. Nyrobsky
        Nyrobsky 5 October 2020 10: 59 New
        0
        Quote: Ingvar 72
        Quote: oleg123219307
        followed by the request of the Republic of Armenia and Karabakh to join the Russian Federation.

        I absolutely agree that this should be the only option in which the Russian Federation will send troops there.
        But I'm afraid the guys upstairs will come up with another reason.

        Why invent it if we are within the framework of the Collective Security Treaty (CSTO)? Here, rather, it is necessary to come up with a reason for not being drawn into a full-fledged and large-scale war, fulfilling their obligations under the treaty. It seems that by activating this conflict, someone really counts on the fact that this particular mechanism will be activated.
        1. Sahalinets
          Sahalinets 5 October 2020 11: 26 New
          13
          And what does the CSTO have to do with the battles for the NKR, which even Armenia itself does not officially recognize? Russia has no obligations here.
          1. Nyrobsky
            Nyrobsky 5 October 2020 12: 36 New
            +1
            Quote: Sahalinets
            And what does the CSTO have to do with the battles for the NKR, which even Armenia itself does not officially recognize? Russia has no obligations here.

            Yes, it is understandable that b / d in Karabakh are not a legally binding basis (obligation) for Russia to use the CSTO mechanisms.
            But you apparently missed the content of the two comments above, from "oleg123219307" where it was proposed that Pashinyan's demonstrated desire to join Russia together with Karabakh would be a good condition for the protection of Armenia from Russia, to which his opponent "Ingvar 72" he was told that "the guys upstairs will come up with another reason." So I mentioned the CSTO as a critical basis, so that we would not be dragged into full-scale b / d, since both sides threaten each other with an exchange of strikes directly on the infrastructure of the republics of Armenia and Azerbaijan. The main thing is that Aliyev does not go along with Erdogan and that Pashinyan does not play along with Soros. Judging by the way events are developing, an exchange of strikes cannot be ruled out, and if this happens, then this will already be regarded as an attack on a CSTO member with all the consequences, when a local conflict develops into a regional one.
        2. Scorpio05
          Scorpio05 5 October 2020 16: 08 New
          0
          The CSTO is already operating in Azerbaijan, in the interior regions of Azerbaijan, located 200 km away. from the state border with Armenia? Tomorrow, Kyrgyzstan will attack Uzbekistan, and Armenia (after the successful experience of involving the Russian Federation in the conflict with Azerbaijan) will finally decide to get to its beloved Ararat in Turkey, which means that, according to your words, it is necessary to fit in right after these gnomes who decided to acquire a new territory at the expense of a strong uncle behind your back?
          By the way, there is confirmed information that it is from the territory of Armenia that the Tornadoes are working across Ganja, the Armenians also fired at Mingechevir (Point-u fell near the state district power station), the Absheron district near Baku and many other cities of Azerbaijan located at a distance of 300 km and more. I wonder who gave a weapon of such range and power to such scumbags? And how is it possible, hiding behind the power and protection of the CSTO (we cannot answer adequately about the facilities in Armenia), shelling the largest civil and industrial facilities of Azerbaijan, the civilian population in the regions near Baku? Why did you give these id-there such weapons?
          1. Nyrobsky
            Nyrobsky 5 October 2020 20: 23 New
            +1
            Quote: Scorpio05
            that means, according to your words, it is necessary to fit in right after these gnomes who decided to acquire a new territory at the expense of a strong uncle behind?

            You inattentively read my comment, I did not write about how to fit into the war on someone else's side.
            Here, rather, it is necessary to come up with a reason for not being drawn into a full-fledged and large-scale war, fulfilling their obligations under the treaty.
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          2. Oleg123219307
            Oleg123219307 5 October 2020 22: 48 New
            +9
            Quote: Scorpio05
            The CSTO is already operating in Azerbaijan, in the interior regions of Azerbaijan, located 200 km away. from the state border with Armenia? Tomorrow, Kyrgyzstan will attack Uzbekistan, and Armenia (after the successful experience of involving the Russian Federation in the conflict with Azerbaijan) will finally decide to get to its beloved Ararat in Turkey, which means that, according to your words, it is necessary to fit in right after these gnomes who decided to acquire a new territory at the expense of a strong uncle behind your back?
            By the way, there is confirmed information that it is from the territory of Armenia that the Tornadoes are working across Ganja, the Armenians also fired at Mingechevir (Point-u fell near the state district power station), the Absheron district near Baku and many other cities of Azerbaijan located at a distance of 300 km and more. I wonder who gave a weapon of such range and power to such scumbags? And how is it possible, hiding behind the power and protection of the CSTO (we cannot answer adequately about the facilities in Armenia), shelling the largest civil and industrial facilities of Azerbaijan, the civilian population in the regions near Baku? Why did you give these id-there such weapons?

            I read, I read all this, that the Armenian comments, that the Azerbaijani ones and I understand that yes, in vain we gave you all weapons, independence, a kind and normal attitude and everything else that is supposed to be adults. More and more you remind me of evil children. Don't play with my toys, don't pee in my pot. That Karabakh - a cockroach to sneeze, and a swara staged as if the end of the world. Adults can and should negotiate. For 30 years you've had a damn thing. And if it didn't work out, it came to war, then fight competently. So unexpected and organized that the enemy himself did not have time to understand that he had already lost. Azerbaijan, according to Aliyev, has been waiting and preparing for 30 years. So what? Hope for sophisticated drones and that's it? This is a good weapon, no doubt, but you can't win a war with them. No matter how fools the Armenians were, by now they have already remembered for sure how to dig closed positions, and how to camouflage equipment at stops and march, and how normal air defense works, whose calculations do not count as crows. And you end up banging your forehead against the wall. Mediocrity. And Armenia is no better. Yes, in 30 years such a fortified area could have been screwed up there - the Americans would have broken their teeth. They would take an example from Afgan - neither we nor the states were able to win there. But the spooks did not even have your weapons and capabilities. But there was will, desire and mountains. What instead? Yes, you got so many equipment and people from these drones in a week that you could take all Azerbaijan if it was competent. No fortified bunkers, no stationary air defense system, no minefields controlled in threatened directions, no field depots, no sabotage groups prepared for mass deployment to the rear, no air support, nothing. Only thousands of dead. And both sides spend hundreds of ammunition on cities and towns without military facilities. Well, yes, good allies will still deliver, do not hunch over these tornadoes at the machine. And why teach tactics. Firing a salvo which, with competent work, can strongly offend a motorized infantry company in a multi-storey residential building. Where's the use of him - a tuzik, a snow leopard and a saleswoman aunt galya, and the rest of the warheads got stuck in the walls, other people's cars and asphalt. Damn victory ... They knocked out the glass in one gulp which could kill 200-300 enemies with weapons. Who taught you all the idiots to fight ... The hike will have to the forester to deal with everyone in the end ...
          3. Grits
            Grits 6 October 2020 13: 59 New
            -1
            Quote: Scorpio05
            I wonder who gave a weapon of such range and power to such scumbags? And how is it possible, hiding behind the power and protection of the CSTO (we cannot answer adequately about the facilities in Armenia), shelling the largest civil and industrial facilities of Azerbaijan, the civilian population in the regions near Baku?

            1. I wonder who gave you a weapon of this range?
            2. How is it possible, hiding behind the protection of Turkey, to fire at peaceful Stepanakert?
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    2. bobwings
      bobwings 5 October 2020 10: 25 New
      33
      And why does Russia need this dear and far from mutual "friendship" with nationalist Armenia, which takes a lot and gives little. At the same time, he is building a monument to Nazi criminals in the center of his capital, closing Russian schools and holding mass demonstrations with slogans like "Down with the Russian presence." Wouldn't it be better to prefer a tolerant and multinational Azerbaijan, where there are almost fewer Russian schools than in Soviet times, where there are no anti-Russian attacks, where the president, educated and educated in Russian culture, lays a wreath at the monument to Soviet general Hazi Aslanov on May 9.
      1. Oleg123219307
        Oleg123219307 5 October 2020 10: 33 New
        21
        Quote: bobwings
        And why does Russia need this dear and far from mutual "friendship" with nationalist Armenia, which takes a lot and gives little. At the same time, he is building a monument to Nazi criminals in the center of his capital, closing Russian schools and holding mass demonstrations with slogans like "Down with the Russian presence." Wouldn't it be better to prefer a tolerant and multinational Azerbaijan, where there are almost fewer Russian schools than in Soviet times, where there are no anti-Russian attacks, where the president, educated and educated in Russian culture, lays a wreath at the monument to Soviet general Hazi Aslanov on May 9.

        It might have been better if Azerbaijan hadn’t been Turkey’s military allies. We can trade with the Turks, we can share spheres of influence, but never be friends. Turkey is the enemy. Strong, sneaky, dangerous, just waiting for the slightest manifestation of our weakness. If not for Turkey, then many here would probably support Azerbaijan, and so - a friend of the enemy, unfortunately ...
        1. Scorpio05
          Scorpio05 5 October 2020 14: 17 New
          +7
          You talk in 30s categories and clichés. White and black. There is trade with Turkey, construction of many objects. Turkey wants to join the SCO. Turkey is the only country in Europe that did not support sanctions against Russia, Turkey does not take part in NATO's anti-Russian actions, and the United States is removing the base from Incirlik, and much more. Turkey supported Maduro, Lukashenka and so on. The Turks are the principal opponents of J. Soros and his policies, all funds closed him. You just do not know much, so to speak, a victim of Armenian propagandists (M. Simonyan, Gabrielyanova, R. Babayan, S. Bagdasarov, S. Tsaturyan, and yes, V. Soloviev and co. With Sataninsky) who have entrenched themselves firmly on the central Russian TV channels and media.
          1. Oleg123219307
            Oleg123219307 5 October 2020 14: 32 New
            +2
            Quote: Scorpio05
            You talk in 30s categories and clichés. White and black. There is trade with Turkey, construction of many objects. Turkey wants to join the SCO. Turkey is the only country in Europe that did not support sanctions against Russia, Turkey does not take part in NATO's anti-Russian actions, and the United States is removing the base from Incirlik, and much more. Turkey supported Maduro, Lukashenka and so on. The Turks are the principal opponents of J. Soros and his policies, all funds closed him. You just do not know much, so to speak, a victim of Armenian propagandists (M. Simonyan, Gabrielyanova, R. Babayan, S. Bagdasarov, S. Tsaturyan, and yes, V. Soloviev and co. With Sataninsky) who have entrenched themselves firmly on the central Russian TV channels and media.

            Peshkov Oleg Anatolyevich. 1970-2015. Not all Russians are as kind and easygoing as our president. Turkey is the enemy. And it's not about propaganda ...
      2. Grits
        Grits 6 October 2020 14: 04 New
        0
        Quote: bobwings
        Isn't it better to prefer a tolerant and multinational Azerbaijan, where there are almost fewer Russian schools than in Soviet times, where there are no anti-Russian attacks

        I think it's better. But there is one point that crosses everything out - the Turks who are among your friends and allies. Who are our natural enemies.
    3. stalki
      stalki 5 October 2020 11: 19 New
      +8
      What a beautiful article ... What a cool veiled message - either Russia is once again saving the Armenians, or it will be Russia's biggest defeat. Gentlemen, you would have thought about it when Russian schools were closed. Or when they rode at the rallies - "the Russian invaders went out." Or when, over the past 2 years, we ourselves have broken everything that everyone, including us, has painstakingly built for 30 years in the negotiation process ... And now, please, should we ruin our guys for your interests? I think the only worthy option would be the resignation of Pashinyan, followed by a request from the Republic of Armenia and Karabakh to join the Russian Federation. Then you can still think. And so, why did it surrender to us to throw our guys under the bullets for the sake of strangers to us, who also call us invaders?
      Of course you are right in many ways, but, and this is a big BUT. We do not need either a conflict or a pro-Turkish Azerbaijan at the side of other people's ambitions. Pashinyan's offer for soap is very reasonable. But to be admitted to the Russian Federation, to be honest, you don't want to, so many times everyone has betrayed and thrown us, it's time to think about yourself. Here is Belarus in the composition, this is me for. Ours are there. And here? And at the same time, the war is not needed at hand.
      1. Oleg123219307
        Oleg123219307 5 October 2020 11: 29 New
        +4
        Quote: stalki
        Of course you are right in many ways, but, and this is a big BUT. We do not need either a conflict or a pro-Turkish Azerbaijan at the side of other people's ambitions. Pashinyan's offer for soap is very reasonable. But to be admitted to the Russian Federation, to be honest, you don't want to, so many times everyone has betrayed and thrown us, it's time to think about yourself. Here is Belarus in the composition, this is me for. Ours are there. And here? And at the same time, the war is not needed at hand.

        In the meantime, they are all neighbors and independent states, this mess with multi-vector positions and throws at us for the sake of momentary Western aid will continue. There are two options - either join and sit like a mouse under a broom, or nafig, live on your own, but then don't ask for ANY more help. If there will be a second genocide of Armenians, then there will be. We are "Russian occupants", so these are not our problems. And they will jerk like I read in a telegram yesterday "there are 2 million of us in Russia, we will arrange a second Beslan for you if you don’t help," and then it will not be sweet for them ...
        1. stalki
          stalki 5 October 2020 11: 39 New
          +1
          Well, I'm against such belligerence. I don't believe in such stuffing. Can I have a link to the source, I want to dig? Check it out.
          1. Oleg123219307
            Oleg123219307 5 October 2020 11: 46 New
            +1
            Quote: stalki
            Well, I'm against such belligerence. I don't believe in such stuffing. Can I have a link to the source, I want to dig? Check it out.

            The comments in the telegram on the Infoarmenia channel I don’t remember exactly which record, but something from yesterday. It seemed to itself similar to the Azerbaijani stuffing, but still causes concern ...
            1. stalki
              stalki 5 October 2020 11: 48 New
              0
              Okay, let's get some mess.
            2. stalki
              stalki 5 October 2020 12: 06 New
              0
              The comments in the telegram on the Infoarmenia channel I don’t remember exactly which record, but something from yesterday. It seemed to itself similar to the Azerbaijani stuffing, but still causes concern ...
              I tried to find it by words, there is nothing like it.
              1. Oleg123219307
                Oleg123219307 5 October 2020 12: 41 New
                0
                Quote: stalki
                I tried to find it by words, there is nothing like it.

                Means all the same stuffing which was cleaned, or admins who rushed in advance in time. The most hard to believe in such stupidity from the Armenians ...
    4. Egoza
      Egoza 5 October 2020 11: 29 New
      +3
      Quote: oleg123219307
      the only worthy option would be Pashinyan's resignation, followed by a request from the Republic of Armenia and Karabakh to join the Russian Federation.

      Maybe only Karabakh will become part of the Russian Federation? And let Armenia remain "independent"? And let them choose a more reasonable president.
    5. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin 5 October 2020 12: 03 New
      +1
      Quote: oleg123219307
      the subsequent request of the Republic of Armenia and Karabakh to join the Russian Federation.

      Well yes. So that in thirty years we will be betrayed again
      And even earlier
    6. apro
      apro 5 October 2020 12: 53 New
      +3
      Quote: oleg123219307
      the subsequent request of the Republic of Armenia and Karabakh to join the Russian Federation.

      God forbid...
    7. vindigo
      vindigo 5 October 2020 22: 08 New
      +4
      Quote: oleg123219307
      I think the only worthy option would be the resignation of Pashinyan with the subsequent request of the Republic of Armenia and Karabakh to join the Russian Federation

      God forbid. And without them there are enough parasites. If we talk about the annexation of territories, then these are Belarusians, eastern Ukraine and northern Kazakhstan. This is where it is necessary to change the opinion of the people that it will be better for them to live with Russia.
      1. Grits
        Grits 6 October 2020 14: 07 New
        0
        Quote: vindigo
        If we talk about the annexation of territories, then these are Belarusians, eastern Ukraine and northern Kazakhstan

        And Transnistria?
        1. vindigo
          vindigo 6 October 2020 15: 13 New
          0
          If they want to. I mean that it is necessary to join peoples who are close in language and mentality.
          1. Grits
            Grits 6 October 2020 16: 47 New
            0
            Quote: vindigo
            If they want to. I mean that it is necessary to join peoples close in language and mentality

            In fact, they speak Russian there. And they held a referendum on joining Russia long ago.
  • nnm
    nnm 5 October 2020 10: 13 New
    15
    At best, the eviction of Armenians. At worst, genocide.
    And the "best" case is not because it is so good, but because they will not arrange a massacre. In any case, there is nothing good about this conflict.
    1. d4rkmesa
      d4rkmesa 5 October 2020 11: 20 New
      +3
      Exactly, the Croatian script, at least.
  • Livonetc
    Livonetc 5 October 2020 10: 13 New
    +4
    How will Armenia's defeat in Karabakh become Russia's defeat?
    Russia will unequivocally protect the territorial integrity of Armenia in the event of such a threat.
    1. Hagalaz
      Hagalaz 5 October 2020 10: 37 New
      +1
      To prevent the Turks from gaining a foothold in Azerbaijan, this is the main goal of Russia in this situation, and not participation on someone's side. Whether it works or not, we'll see. And then let's say about defeat or victory.
      1. Livonetc
        Livonetc 5 October 2020 10: 49 New
        12
        In principle, it is impossible to prevent the union of Turkey and Azerbaijan.
        It is only possible to establish interaction with both Azerbaijan and Turkey.
        That is exactly what Russia is doing.
        Russia is not the world's gendarme.
  • yehat2
    yehat2 5 October 2020 10: 14 New
    -1
    It seems to me that the only thing that could be done for NK was to create a demilitarized zone of neutrality with simplified taxation, where only superficial control of the police and local government is exercised under the military protectorate of both sides, where anyone can live. For any episode of manifestation of irreconcilable nationalism from any side - eviction or a criminal offense. And in 30-40 years this territory will become normal.
    1. Victorio
      Victorio 5 October 2020 11: 01 New
      0
      Quote: yehat2
      It seems to me that the only thing that could be done for NK was to create a demilitarized zone of neutrality with simplified taxation, where only superficial control of the police and local government is exercised under the military protectorate of both sides, where anyone can live. For any episode of manifestation of irreconcilable nationalism from any side - eviction or a criminal offense. And in 30-40 years this territory will become normal.

      ===
      disputable questions will need a judge. Russia has its own affairs full. unless Europe promises a partnership and visa-free)
      1. yehat2
        yehat2 5 October 2020 11: 03 New
        -2
        let the local population choose the judges. Just provide them with a normal life without quirks.
        1. Victorio
          Victorio 5 October 2020 11: 07 New
          +1
          Quote: yehat2
          even local population selects judges. Just provide them with a normal life without quirks.

          ===
          which will return from Azerbaijan, or local Armenians? so they will choose that. without a third it will not work, maybe I'm wrong.
          1. yehat2
            yehat2 5 October 2020 11: 36 New
            -1
            let whoever wants to live. Armenians, Azerbaijanis, Chinese or Brazilians.
            just leave the territory to people with minimal sufficient and beneficial external control on both sides. And when it recovers, the course of history will set itself with whom and how the area will be friends. Maybe they will become the second state of Iceland.
  • Daniil Konovalenko
    Daniil Konovalenko 5 October 2020 10: 15 New
    +5
    The only thing that can be written is that this conflict will last for a long time. There are, of course, conditions for reconciliation, but the parties will not agree to this. Here, either we or they ...
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 5 October 2020 10: 25 New
      +2
      Quote: Daniil Konovalenko
      The only thing that can be written is this conflict for a long time.

      It looks like the rest of the time. There will never be reconciliation.
  • Doctor
    Doctor 5 October 2020 10: 18 New
    11
    Another question is whether they will want to go to places that may be far from hospitable.

    Wait in Moscow, Rostov and Krasnodar.
    Also with lifting from the Russian budget.
  • Asad
    Asad 5 October 2020 10: 19 New
    0
    And what is the way out for Armenia? Will he repent to Russia? What's next, how can we help?
    1. vindigo
      vindigo 6 October 2020 10: 53 New
      0
      Should we help? For what merits?
  • BAI
    BAI 5 October 2020 10: 29 New
    -1
    Let's pretend for a moment that he succeeded. What then awaits the unrecognized republic that has existed for almost 30 years?

    Genocide of the Armenian population. The Armenians are alive there as long as they can resist. And precisely because they have no other choice, the war will go on until the expulsion of Azerbaijan from Nagorno-Karabakh. Despite any agreements.
    There is another option - a forester comes and drives everyone out of the forest. This is when Azerbaijan and Armenia are part of one state.
  • CommanderDIVA
    CommanderDIVA 5 October 2020 10: 36 New
    +9
    After reaching the state border with Armenia, Azerbaijani troops will stop, Aliyev will not come into conflict with a member of the CSTO and the Russian Federation, Pashinyan needs to evacuate people from NGOs in advance in order to avoid casualties among the civilian population, after the end of the conflict, we will end up with a multiple strengthening of positions Turkey in Azerbaijan, the next president of Azerbaijan will be completely pro-Turkish, the strengthening of anti-Russian currents in Armenia, since they did not stand up for NGOs, which the Washington regional committee will skillfully use, in the long term the Turks and the United States will push us out of the Transcaucasia, the only thing that keeps us there is our base in Gyumri and our border guards guarding the Armenian-Turkish section of the state border
  • Reviews
    Reviews 5 October 2020 10: 36 New
    +4
    Guerrilla warfare? Is the author in the mind? Who will support it with money and materiel?
    1. Gvardeetz77
      Gvardeetz77 5 October 2020 11: 17 New
      +6
      I agree, what kind of guerrilla is the author talking about? Guerrilla warfare without reliance (voluntary or violent) on the local population, which is either deported or corrected with daggers, money (which the Armenians have, well, a little) will end in the first or second winter, even without using aircraft with thermal imagers. And on the cleared territory there will be Azerbaijani settlers, tea is not a Far Eastern hectare, plus benefits and material assistance. The author is somehow very fond of Armenians
      1. maktub
        maktub 5 October 2020 11: 31 New
        +3
        I agree completely! Most likely it is necessary to expect an increase in the population of the Russian Federation than a partisan war in the NKAO
      2. Albay
        Albay 5 October 2020 12: 49 New
        -1
        I agree, here the author forgets that this was done to the Azerbaijanis, having seized the regions of the war against Karabakh with almost a million violence and there was no partisan war. Knowing after Khojaly about the atrocities of the Armenians, the violence fled.
  • KVU-NSVD
    KVU-NSVD 5 October 2020 10: 37 New
    +9
    What is there to guess? If Armenia wins, the status quo will remain, Azerbaijan will win - NKAO will become a thing of the past, and the region (or several regions) of Azerbaijan will remain. At first there will be a guerrilla war, but with the closure of the borders, it will quickly fade. Genocide and refugees one hundred percent. But I do not think that an unconditional victory is possible for Azrbayjan - no one except the Turks needs such an increase in Turkish influence in the region and Armenia will receive its help. Most likely, the offensive impulse of the Azerbaijanis will end with the accumulated purchased weapons and the conflict will first go into a sluggish phase following the example of Syria and Libya, and then sooner or later into negotiations. the result of them will be the preservation by the parties of what they have at the start of these negotiations, and the conflict will freeze again and the parties will begin to accumulate strength again.
    1. WayKheThuo
      WayKheThuo 5 October 2020 10: 58 New
      +3
      That will be so.
      The NKR will not be crushed, because defense, mountains, people will fight to the last - they have something for.
      As a result - another sluggish war, where people will die for the sake of the political and financial interests of politicians, whose place is in hell.
      But as always.
      1. Reviews
        Reviews 5 October 2020 11: 25 New
        +4
        Quote: WayKhe Thuo
        That will be so.
        The NKR will not be crushed, because defense, mountains, people will fight to the last - they have something for.

        If the Armenians can impose a defensive war in the mountains, in which the "Azerbaijani blitzkrieg" gets bogged down, then the Armenians have chances. But not guerrilla warfare.
        Strictly PMSM.
    2. SVD68
      SVD68 5 October 2020 13: 30 New
      +2
      Quite the opposite, only with a victory Azerbaijan is able to get rid of the influence of the Turks. In case of defeat, the influence of the Turks will increase.
  • 3vs
    3vs 5 October 2020 10: 41 New
    +1
    Then change the Nakhichevan Autonomous Republic of Azerbaijan to Karabakh,
    so that there are no enclaves.
    If it gets to extremes ...
    1. d4rkmesa
      d4rkmesa 5 October 2020 11: 34 New
      0
      Turkey will not allow this. It will take it and stay there.
    2. Grits
      Grits 6 October 2020 14: 12 New
      0
      Quote: 3vs
      Then change the Nakhichevan Autonomous Republic of Azerbaijan to Karabakh,
      so that there are no enclaves.

      Nakhichevan is essentially Turkey.
  • Cowbra
    Cowbra 5 October 2020 10: 42 New
    +2
    It is much more interesting what will happen to Russophobia in Armenia and not only. Will it finally come to light that it is always very expensive, and the payment is always taken in the carcasses of Russophobes? And not us at all))) Well, they can take the collapse of the country to the extreme - as in the Triboltian Extinctions
  • WayKheThuo
    WayKheThuo 5 October 2020 10: 48 New
    +9
    It's very simple:
    1. Armenia recognizes Crimea.
    2. Armenia recognizes Abkhazia.
    3. Armenia recognizes South Ossetia.
    4. Armenia allows Russian business to enter the territory of its country.
    5. Armenia is returning Russian schools.
    6. Armenia is returning Russian-language broadcasting.
    7. Armenia recognizes Karabakh and includes it in its composition.
    8. Armenia is adjusting its foreign diasporas, primarily in the US and Europe, to help Russia in solving foreign policy issues.
    9. Armenia at the state level ruthlessly presses anti-Russian NGOs on the territory of its country.

    And then, my country maybe think a little to get involved in this mess. And that's another big question, because the lives of our citizens are the greatest value on this fucking ball.
    I think so.
    1. Pissarro
      Pissarro 5 October 2020 12: 55 New
      +2
      Recognition of Ossetia and Abkhazia by the Armenians is impossible. Even despite the fact that the Armenian battalions fought for Abkhazia against Georgia in the first war.
      Georgia is one of two transport corridors connecting Armenians with the outside world, and neutrality is extremely important. The second corridor is Iran, it is very inconvenient.
    2. Zementbomber
      Zementbomber 6 October 2020 21: 04 New
      0
      I will tell you what Armenia will say to such a proposal:
      - with such twisted not for a cheap show-off, guys - you go to the forest in the walking erotic. You need us more than we need you. And it is quite easy for us to replace you with the role of an ally.
      1. WayKheThuo
        WayKheThuo 7 October 2020 10: 46 New
        0
        Well, the principle is simple - the main thing is to mix it up for a conversation, and in the course of the bidding you can come to something normal that suits both parties. Although I do not really understand what Armenia can offer us so that we risk the most important thing - the lives of our people.
        It is very important to understand that the NKR is not recognized not only by the world community (and a bolt on it, in truth), but by Armenia itself. That is, officially NKR is not the territory of Armenia.
        From this I conclude that, relatively speaking, the Armenians of Yerevan are interested in NKR only from the point of view of political games.
        As for Azerbaijan, on the one hand, yes - they are fighting on their territory and for their territory. On the other hand, how clumsy and shortsighted they act. It is immediately clear that the leadership of Azerbaijan is stuck somewhere in the middle of the 20th century. It was necessary not to forge cannons, but to slowly and carefully accustom the residents of NKR to the simple idea that living in Azerbaijan is more interesting, fun and promising: build joint ventures, improve the region, lift the economic blockade, etc., etc. - the country has enough money. People who fought in the 90s will snarl, of course, but young people - they have their own heads on their shoulders and with a high degree of probability in 20-30 years the NKR in its present form would have ended happily.
        And so - everything went to pieces and this bloody mess gurgled again to please the politicians, whose place in hell.
        I think so.
        1. Zementbomber
          Zementbomber 7 October 2020 17: 29 New
          0
          1. Well - firstly - that "the lives of your people" (and, in general, the lives of someone else's) are supposedly "the main thing" - nothing more than low-quality pacifist propaganda. There are such a number of entities in the World that are more important than Life, that there will not be enough fingers on all limbs for me, my Acting Wife and all our swing partners put together to count these entities. yes
          2. Armenia, of course, can offer Russia little and Russia can do without all this - but Russia can offer Armenia even less and Armenia can do without it even easier. + In fact, signing off on the insolvency of the CSTO and specifically the Russian Federation as a country claiming to be a great power in terms of political influence and military importance is a very bad prospect for Moscow. (At the same time, I myself am on the side of Azerbaijan completely and unconditionally in the Armenian-Azerbaijani conflict in general, and in the Karabakh conflict - in particular - if that; but I used to look at things soberly - the work before retirement was just such that disposed to a sober look smile )
          3. You know, we have been in Ukraine for over five years, since the Second Armistice, an absolutely senseless dispute continues, the level of the dispute "what was before: a chicken or an egg?" financial buns - or to drive this gopota under the shkonar with divisional salvoes of "Apricots" on dense buildings (according to the principle: "1000 will burn alive - 100000 will raise their hands").
          So, this dispute is absolutely meaningless. When a person believes that he has nothing to lose, his will to fight is not paralyzed even by "Apricots". In this case, it is necessary to arrange a specific ethnic cleansing with a universal extermination of those who do not run away - otherwise the result will not simply not be, but it will also be the opposite.
          On the other hand - "how many wolf do not feed, but he keeps looking into the forest" (c)
          To really work, you need not "choose between" carrot "and" club ", а to put the opposite side in front of a radical binary choice: either honest, real, tasty and nutritious buns - and a lot of buns, or - a skull crushing blow in full force with a heavy ironwood club with a lead knob and steel spikes on the knob. Like: "we offered you two options to choose from. We ourselves are 123% satisfied with any of them, so it's up to you to decide!"
          Here is exactly the same scenario: "either - or - and any" or "- to the very maximum" - it was necessary to apply not only to "L / DPR" to us, but also to "NKR" - Azerbaijan and Turkey; in relation to "PMR" - Moldova and Romania, GBAO - to Tajikistan and Russia (by the way, it is not too late to do this with regard to GBAO), in relation to "RSO" and Abkhazia - Georgia until August 2008
          1. WayKheThuo
            WayKheThuo 7 October 2020 18: 32 New
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            At the expense of the last point, I fully agree on the binary choice, because there is nothing worse than long-term conflicts - much more blood is shed in them and much more evil is done than in the case of a decisive approach.
            Another question is when to offer such a choice. Azerbaijan had about 30 years to resolve the issue on the "soft power" option, but their leadership, relying on their own considerations, chose the force option - and now their guys are burning in tanks, and mutual blind hatred exceeded all possible limits. Well, this is their choice, but for some reason I am sure that not one of the politicians who "drowned" for the war will be at the front. And, something tells me, with their children, everything will be normal too.
            In part 2, well, VVP said that we will fully comply with the agreements before Armenia. He said and said - and then we'll see. As for the "influence of the Russian Federation as a country" - I personally don't care much, because our problems are much more serious than the way people look at us from Paris, Berlin, Kiev, Baku or Yerevan. We have systemic problems. We solve them - everything else will follow.
            In part 1, I agree that there are many things in the world that are dearer than life. But the problem is that each (!!!) person decides this for himself (!!!). The task of the state is to protect the most valuable thing - the lives of our people. And yet, yes - this is not pacifist propaganda, because the army is needed, the army is important and, IMHO, the army should to fight, but nevertheless the lives of our people are the most important thing that can be. Such is the squiggle, unity and struggle of opposites, so to speak. But our whole life is built on such things, and that's okay. It’s not normal, I think, when the most valuable resource of the state - the human one, is simply used to solve narrow-clan goals. Moreover, it is completely mediocre.
            So it goes.
  • Kostadinov
    Kostadinov 5 October 2020 10: 48 New
    +8
    What a cry and condemnation of the "world community" that the "regime" in Belgrade, Baghdad, Tripoli, Damascus was beating up its "own" population.
    About Donbass, Ossetia did not hear that. There was a "fight against terrorism."
    So, depending on the "world community" in Karabakh, there will be either "beating of its own population by the Aliyev regime" or "the fight against terrorism."
  • Alsur
    Alsur 5 October 2020 10: 51 New
    +6
    Quote: bobwings
    And why does Russia need this dear and far from mutual "friendship" with nationalist Armenia, which takes a lot and gives little. At the same time, he is building a monument to Nazi criminals in the center of his capital, closing Russian schools and holding mass demonstrations with slogans like "Down with the Russian presence." Wouldn't it be better to prefer a tolerant and multinational Azerbaijan, where there are almost fewer Russian schools than in Soviet times, where there are no anti-Russian attacks, where the president, educated and educated in Russian culture, lays a wreath at the monument to Soviet general Hazi Aslanov on May 9.

    With Armenia, everything is the same, but you embellish Azerbaijan greatly, it is no better. In Azerbaijan, the Russians are to blame for everything, they were to blame in the late 80s, early 90s and now.
    1. WayKheThuo
      WayKheThuo 5 October 2020 11: 32 New
      +3
      In Azerbaijan, the Russians are to blame for everything, they were to blame in the late 80s, early 90s and now.

      So.
      And this will always be so until we adopt a benevolent, tough, but purely pragmatic foreign policy. Without all these tricks like "universal human values", "friendship of peoples" and other crap.
      Our main value is our people, citizens of the Russian Federation. For them, in fact, Russia exists.
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  • Stirbjorn
    Stirbjorn 5 October 2020 10: 56 New
    +3
    Unless those who wish can be found among those who really lived in the territory of Nagorno-Karabakh before the 1992-1994 war.
    The author somehow forgets that in addition to Nagorno-Karabakh, there are 7 more regions around it, which are occupied by the Armenians and whose belonging to Azerbaijan is not disputed by anyone at all. The Azerbaijani population has been expelled from there a long time ago, the Armenians have not settled much. With them, what does the author propose to do? The whole Karabakh knot is twisted here. Either give Azerbaijan and then the independence of NK does not make sense, because Azerbaijan is around. Either join them to NK and give it independence, but Azerbaijan will never agree with this
    1. d4rkmesa
      d4rkmesa 5 October 2020 11: 33 New
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      Bosnian option, if only. With division by ethnicity, each with its own administration. Make Lachin neutral under the control of international forces ala Brcko district.
      1. Rokambol
        Rokambol 5 October 2020 15: 59 New
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        Quote: d4rkmesa
        Bosnian option, unless

        This is not a way out of the situation. Only the recognition of the independence of Karabakh. I do not see any other way out of the crisis, but it probably exists. Azerbaijan will not win this war.
  • anjey
    anjey 5 October 2020 11: 00 New
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    For Russia, this option is not acceptable, if the Ayzers calmly take Karabakh and cut out the Armenians there, then it will remain to surrender Donbass with a similar outcome.
    If we cannot be guarantors and “overseers” of the political order on our borders, then there is nothing to do in the Big World.
    We must maintain and apply our right to start these showdowns, all the more kindled from the outside, even by force ...
    1. chingachguc
      chingachguc 5 October 2020 20: 59 New
      0
      absolutely acceptable. This is not our land.
  • iouris
    iouris 5 October 2020 11: 08 New
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    The inhabitants of Artsakh, of course, can be resettled to the States, to France, to Argentina, to Syria, even to the Jewish Autonomous Region.
    What end awaits Russia after leaving the Caucasus?
    1. chingachguc
      chingachguc 5 October 2020 21: 00 New
      +2
      everything will remain as it is. This does not concern us.
    2. asr55
      asr55 6 October 2020 21: 56 New
      0
      Quote: iouris
      The inhabitants of Artsakh, of course, can be resettled to the States, to France, to Argentina, to Syria, even to the Jewish Autonomous Region.
      What end awaits Russia after leaving the Caucasus?

      You better watch your end.
  • Pavel57
    Pavel57 5 October 2020 11: 13 New
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    Quote: neri73-r
    And here everything is simple, either we are a Great country with certain ambitions, or an ordinary ("normal") country, like Sweden or Poland, as comrades Romans and fascists said - to each his own!

    This is called - take on the weak.
  • Petrik66
    Petrik66 5 October 2020 11: 14 New
    +6
    Why should Russia confront Azerbaijan? Pashinyan is a project of the Liberals - the worst enemies of the Russians.
    I'd rather give Simonyan's answer to her letter from an Armenian published on July 19, 2020
    A polite letter to Margarita Simonyan. Rafael Hovhannisyan.

    Margarita.
    You wrote a very angry appeal to the Armenian authorities, but it happened so that the people, of which you consider yourself a part, can also read. And these people, apparently, did not like your appeal. I'll take the liberty of suggesting why.
    First, you shouldn't be nervous. From this they lose weight, but why do you need it?
    Secondly, long before the Crimea appeared in our lives, there was Karabakh, which Russia also did not recognize. So, should Armenia recognize Crimea?
    Thirdly. We do not interfere in the trial of the governor of the Khabarovsk Territory, for example, we do not write that all of Khabarovsk went out into the streets demanding his release. We don't write, do we? No, right? Right. Because this is an internal affair of Russia.
    Well, you would not interfere, you would be so kind.
    A trial is underway and if Robert Kocharian's guilt is not proven, he will calmly continue to be Russia's ally.
    Fourth. You are greatly concerned about the presence of foreign NGOs in Armenia, which "teach young people how to overthrow the government in Russia." Fear Putin, Margarita, the power in Russia cannot overthrow even the great, multimillion-strong Russian people, to say nothing of the poor, Armenian youth.
    Fifth. You are noticeably concerned about the fact that in the Armenian social. nets throw mud at Russia, Putin and Russian Armenians like you. Here you are partially right. I will not hide the fact that some people do not like Vladimir Vladimirovich. It is what it is.
    But many people love Russia in Armenia. Do you know why? Because 3 million Armenians live in Russia and our connection with this country is inseparable.
    And also because we have a common culture, Khachaturian, Babadzhanyan, Bryusov, Mandelstam, you know.
    As for Russian Armenians like you.
    The fact is that there are no Armenians like you. You are so alone, Margarita. There are no Russian Armenians. There are Russian Armenians.
    And we have the warmest attitude towards the Russian Armenians. Because they are part of us.
    At sixth. About the government and the people.
    I have nothing to do with the Armenian government, moreover, I disagree with some of its actions and often criticize this government. But this power, Margarita, was chosen by the population of the Republic of Armenia.
    Do you understand?
    It happened. It was supported by the very people to whom you are not addressing.
    If the population of Armenia does not like this government, if this government fails, the population will replace it with another. Through elections. There is such a mechanism in Armenia. It's not quite the same here as in Russia. Only the calculator is reset here. When we do not like this power, we will simply exchange these people for others. I try to explain this technology to you as much as possible so that you understand.
    So, since this power was chosen by the majority of the people, it turns out that you are turning to him too. Here is a logical chain.
    And finally the last one.
    Regarding the fact that Russia has done everything for us, and we ungrateful have done Russia evil, the ghosts of the Turkish janissaries and then such cosmic crap that I will not even try to repeat it.
    Margarita.
    Please be careful.
    Armenia, even if it really wants to, will not be able to do much harm to Russia.
    We are a small, peaceful country defending our land from aggressors. Believe me, Armenia wishes no harm to anyone, including Russia. If you haven't forgotten, you and I are Allies and Strategic Partners.
    As for whether we will be them in the future, it depends on you too.
    Do you understand?
    Behind this message of yours, I still see the mustachioed face of Dmitry Peskov and his imperial messages of the Armenian government. Everything is clear here. But why this hostile tone on your part?
    As for the help.
    Help - let's say thank you. If you don’t help, nobody will cry and beg.
    You have already zadolbali everyone with this we will help you - we will not help, an ally is not an ally, a partner is not a partner. Because of you and people like you Mirzayanov, even its most ardent supporters are already beginning to tire of Russia.
    You do not notice that you are causing harm to relations between our countries.
    You don't talk to friends like that.
    You write that your beloved, beloved homeland, Russia, can spit on us and grind. I don't think Russia will spit. And I do not advise you. This does not suit a woman.
    Concerning Narekatsi. I also read it very often like you. Both the original and the excellent translation by Naum Grebnev, which you are reading. However, perhaps you are not reading this Book very carefully, otherwise you would know that in order to be closer to God, it is necessary to free oneself from vices, for example, such as lies,
    hypocrisy and pride.
    This concludes my long, but hopefully polite letter, and I wish you and your family health and well-being.
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 5 October 2020 11: 43 New
      +2
      Nice letter. "Graceful", in oriental style.
      First, you shouldn't be nervous. From this they lose weight, but why do you need it?

      And here the author is wrong. Well, a woman cannot write that she does not fit in a dress and that she urgently needs to lose weight.
      Everything else .... "listen to the woman and do the opposite", which the author of the letter successfully proves
      1. Odysseus
        Odysseus 5 October 2020 12: 08 New
        +8
        Quote: Egoza
        Nice letter. "Graceful", in oriental style.

        What's so beautiful about it? The usual bazaar tone. Ambition on the verge of rudeness. True, Count Simonyan herself is no better. In general, it is very funny to read the discussion by 2 Armenians of Russia's actions.
        But of course about the "peaceful country" and about "no one cries and begs" he powerfully pushed it back. Inspires laughing
    2. 72jora72
      72jora72 5 October 2020 12: 24 New
      +5
      Help - let's say thank you. Don't help -
      --- then all of Armenia will move to you, to Sochi and Moscow .........
    3. iouris
      iouris 6 October 2020 00: 11 New
      0
      Quote: Petrik66
      Why should Russia confront Azerbaijan?

      The Russian Federation should turn into Russia and take control of the Transcaucasus. Otherwise, Iran will be destroyed from the territory of Georgia and Azerbaijan, a stream of refugees will rush from there, and a massacre will begin. A "new order" will be established on the territory of the former Soviet Union, very similar to what has already happened in the B.Vostok. It has already begun: they rocked Central Asia.
    4. av58
      av58 8 October 2020 22: 18 New
      0
      Azerbaijan is an ally of Turkey, and also an enemy of Russia, only smiles more than Erdogan. Aliyev's victory is NATO's entry into the territory of the Caucasus.
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  • Gvardeetz77
    Gvardeetz77 5 October 2020 11: 27 New
    +6
    Quote: oleg123219307
    I think the only worthy option would be the resignation of Pashinyan, followed by a request from the Republic of Armenia and Karabakh to join the Russian Federation. Then you can still think.

    And why are they to us? Are we running out of our own, relatives, Russian Armenians? Or do we have lands like Liechtenstein or the Vatican? Or have all the issues of the Caucasus been resolved and closed on our territory? Or do we have so many friends left in the world that by adding another piece of land, we certainly did not turn into outcasts?
    And then 1,5-2 generations will change and the old song about the main thing, independence!
  • Bakinec
    Bakinec 5 October 2020 11: 30 New
    10
    Lord! That the Armenians are not inventing to drag Russia into this conflict. Well, Russia will not interfere. Azerbaijan is fighting on its territory. Azerbaijan completely broke the resistance and are already liberating the cities (yesterday they liberated Jabrail) are moving on. Yesterday Aliyev said everything that is needed, now let your Pashinyan scratch his turnips - what to do. Well, you didn't live quietly - you would have endless negotiations, well, no, you had to appear, show off - they say, Karabakh is Armenia, we won't give up any regions, we will populate the territories with Syrian, Lebanese Armenians - now beg Putin and Macron to stop Baku.
    1. Rokambol
      Rokambol 5 October 2020 15: 49 New
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      Quote: Bakinec
      Well, Russia won't interfere

      If Russia does not intervene, we can get new hot spots in the future, already on the territory of Russia. In our country, the FSB quite often arrests and eliminates various ISIS extremists. And after the strengthening of Turkey's presence in the region ... I would not want us to have to go through new conflicts again.
  • Odysseus
    Odysseus 5 October 2020 11: 35 New
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    You can agree with the first half of the article. Indeed, after the transfer of Karabakh under the control of Azerbaijan and the restoration of its territorial integrity, there will be no Armenians left there.
    But there will not be any special horrors, there is already a very small population, those who are will simply leave with the army. There will be an empty land that will be re-populated.
    But the second half of the article is completely illogical. Why will there be devastation? There is just devastation there now, since there are almost no people and there is no status of a recognized state. And Armenia has no money either.
    It is also very doubtful about the lack of peace and quiet. Who will fight who there? There are simply no subjects for enmity.
    And the ending of the article is quite bad and even provocative. Why is the liberation of the lands occupied by Armenia (by the way, occupied under anti-Soviet slogans) lands for us a "defeat"? What does Russia have to do with it? And if we talk about the interests of Russia (inseparable from the existing priorities of the government, but we will omit this now), then they consist in the fact that not a drop of blood of Russian soldiers did not pour for the interests of the Armenian nationalists. By yourself, all by yourself.
    1) Russia has a huge number of unsolvable internal problems that are fatal for it. They should be dealt with
    2) If we talk about foreign policy, then Ukraine, Belarus and Middle Asia are very important for Russia. And here we have huge problems, while the Caucasus is a completely secondary region. It will be of interest only to a strong stable state that has decided to take up world politics. But not right now.
    3) Russia promised to protect Armenia. Now, if she is attacked and we will defend it. Karabakh has nothing to do with it.
    4) Economically, there is nothing to talk about. Only Azerbaijan is interesting there. A little Georgia, but not Armenia.
    1. 72jora72
      72jora72 5 October 2020 12: 36 New
      +3
      Why is the liberation of the lands occupied by Armenia (by the way, occupied under anti-Soviet slogans) lands for us a "defeat"?
      I will tell you why, and not because I love Armenians or Azerbaijanis. After Azerbaijan recaptures Karabakh, all the other unrecognized republics, first of all Transnistria, will fall down, then the remnants of Novorossia will disappear (and Russia will also express concern), and there the "timid Georgians" will want to return their territories.
      1. Odysseus
        Odysseus 5 October 2020 17: 00 New
        +4
        Quote: 72jora72
        After Azerbaijan recaptures Karabakh, all other unrecognized republics, first of all Transnistria, will fall down, then the remnants of Novorossia will disappear (and Russia will also express concern), and there the "timid Georgians" will want to return their territories.

        Why is it that if Azerbaijan repels Karabakh, all the unrecognized republics will fall? There is no logical connection.
        a) Abkhazia, South Ossetia are recognized by the Russian Federation. There is no way to fight them off in Georgia.
        b) Transnistria has our military contingent. Moldova has no way of recapturing it.
        c) Novorossiya does not exist at all. Thanks to Putin for that. And DNR, LC does not exist. Let me remind you, according to the Minsk Agreements, there are ORDLOs, which are used as cannon fodder for the ingenious KPP across the Crimea and for small gesheft (coal, cheap labor force). So everything has already "crumbled" there. And the leftovers will be handed over at any time after the "Kiev partners" agree to fulfill the Minsk agreements.
        These are different cases and different situations, and Karabakh (plus 7 regions) and its fate have nothing to do with it.
        The strengthening of Turkey's influence in the region is really not very pleasant, but in general these are trifles. Turkey has enough of its own problems and enemies, and the significance of the Transcaucasus for Russia is not great. This is not Ukraine or Kazakhstan.
        And, by the way, the strengthening of Turkey's influence became inevitable long ago after the Russian Federation connived with the Armenian nationalists in the seizure of the territory of Azerbaijan. It is obvious that in the region it was necessary to stake on Azerbaijan. All reasonable people wrote about this, regardless of political orientation.
        But now it's too late to talk about it.
  • Karabin
    Karabin 5 October 2020 11: 37 New
    +9
    In reality, this option seems extremely unlikely, since it will be perhaps the most severe defeat for our country, received in recent years not only in the Caucasus, but, perhaps, throughout the entire post-Soviet space.

    In reality, the Russian Federation has minimal influence, both in Baku and in Yerevan. It is incomparably less than the influence of Turkey and the United States. Moscow suffered a geopolitical defeat in the Transcaucasus long ago. It is unlikely that Baku and Ankara will go further than Karabakh, so as not to give a reason for strengthening the position of the Russian Federation through the fulfillment of obligations under the CSTO in Armenia. The status of Armenia without NKAO will suit the United States as well.
    Russia has already received the most severe defeat with the loss of influence in the southern Russian lands of Ukraine. What could and should have been done in 2014, fixing the losses from the geopolitical blow of the West, is to annex not only Crimea, but also Novorossia, including Odessa and Transnistria. But the historic chance and time were ineptly wasted in favor of the pipeline foreign policy and attempts, at least like a carcass, even a scarecrow, to fit into the Western world order. When the Russian Federation has nothing to offer in civilizational terms, in response to what others offer, smaller defeats will not come as a surprise in the future.
    1. 72jora72
      72jora72 5 October 2020 12: 39 New
      +7
      What could and should have been done in 2014, fixing the losses from the geopolitical blow of the West, is to annex not only Crimea, but also Novorossia, including Odessa and Transnistria.
      It is gratifying that there are still sane people who understand what chance we lost in '14 ..........
  • yehat2
    yehat2 5 October 2020 11: 46 New
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    Quote: Albay
    99 percent of the population of Karabakh

    violence from the word violence? laughing
  • yehat2
    yehat2 5 October 2020 11: 48 New
    0
    Quote: Karabin
    When the Russian Federation has nothing to offer in terms of civilization

    The Russian Federation has something to offer, but the richest elite of the Russian Federation really have nothing to offer.
    It's important to understand this difference.
  • Ersh
    Ersh 5 October 2020 12: 15 New
    +5
    Let them fight until they get bored. This is their showdown, not ours. Armenia is of no interest to Russia. Neither political nor economic. Armenians are an extremely ungrateful nation! If in 1914-15 the Russian, still imperial, army had not defeated the Turkish army, there would be no Armenians on the territory of present-day Armenia. They were also destroyed to zero. This country can exist only on one condition - to obey Russia implicitly and not speak. If this narrow-minded Pashinyan did not pursue a "multi-vector" policy, then no Azerbaijan would have attacked anyone!
    Let them fight until their puppet armies run out of ammo.
    1. Rokambol
      Rokambol 5 October 2020 15: 43 New
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      Quote: Ersh
      This is their showdown, not ours

      Alas, this concerns us directly. The mere strengthening of Turkey in the region is already a minus for us. And after the strengthening of the Turkish presence in the region, it will climb to the North Caucasus.
  • Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 5 October 2020 12: 25 New
    +2
    The end "free Artsakh"? What awaits Nagorno-Karabakh in case of victory of Baku
    Armenia and no one recognized him as such. Will return home.
    I have a rule not to swallow what they can vomit along with the stomach.
    The Armenians very quickly forgot the Soviet films and decided that if they steal quickly, no one would ask. Came and asked, multi-vector. fool fool
  • U-58
    U-58 5 October 2020 12: 25 New
    +1
    The lid of this boiling cauldron was torn off.
    How events will develop, no one can predict. Not in Yerevan, not in Baku, not in Moscow ...
    I see the problem in the fact that Moscow in this situation will not settle events, but will try to keep the most "beautiful" face. That is, the priority will be to look before the whole world "wisely and judiciously" without being tied to any positive outcome of the case.
    And in the cauldron there is nothing mixed: American interests, Israeli OTR, Syrian militants, Turkish army, Iranian ambitions. I would not be surprised if tomorrow the interests of Saudi Arabia and the principalities of the Persian Gulf and some of the Taliban become clear ..
  • Ros 56
    Ros 56 5 October 2020 12: 26 New
    +3
    And how will the state of affairs in Donbass and throughout the south-west of Ukraine look like from this bell tower? Nobody thought about it? After all, this is a precedent.
  • From Tomsk
    From Tomsk 5 October 2020 12: 31 New
    +1
    "In reality, this option seems extremely unlikely, since it will be perhaps the most difficult defeat for our country, received in recent years not only in the Caucasus, but, perhaps, throughout the post-Soviet space."
    But what about Ukraine?))
  • Tneburashka
    Tneburashka 5 October 2020 13: 12 New
    0
    What awaits the standard set, they will learn Azerbaijani MOV
    1. Rokambol
      Rokambol 5 October 2020 15: 54 New
      +9
      Azerbaijan will not be able to seize and occupy the Armenian lands of Karabakh. They will break off together with their Turkish masters.
  • Scorpio05
    Scorpio05 5 October 2020 13: 13 New
    +5
    Again, the ordered articles went in favor of the Armenians. The powerful stream of pro-Armenian articles and disinformation, calling for the intervention of the Russian Federation and the Russian army on the side of the Armenians, is not interrupted for a second. Guys, nothing. that on the other side then other countries (and more than one) may also appear, and it will go badly, and it may even come to ... For what is the author, for your fee from the Armenians? Will you go there to fight yourself? Guys, can't you earn money in a different way, not on incitement to war and grief of the Azerbaijani people? Why set fire to Russia against Azerbaijan, so the author and other numerous pro-Armenian authors under Slavic and Jewish names, eager to intervene on the Armenian side. You would like to fight against Azerbaijan for the Armenians to the last Russian soldier, go with arms to the front line between the Azerbaijani army and the Armenian occupation army, also take your male family members there and join the ranks of the "invincible" Armenian army.
    And yet, why don't you mention the author, that there are 99% of Armenians in Karabakh because the Armenians exterminated the Azerbaijanis, and the rest were expelled? Remember here, but not there?) The extermination of Azerbaijanis by Armenians in Khojaly, Karadagly, Aghdaban, Mesheli "does not remember" of course the author. Well, the person does not know, but if you do not know, why do you undertake to write about such a responsible topic? And if you know, but don't write, then this is another, deliberate misinformation and obvious bias.
    Yes, and why did the author "forget" to mention that the 7 large Azerbaijani regions occupied by the Armenians were almost one hundred percent inhabited by Azerbaijanis, and not a single Armenian lived there, do you suggest that the Russian army defend these regions? And the fighting there is going on for these Azerbaijani-populated areas.
    1. TriA
      TriA 5 October 2020 14: 41 New
      +5
      Quote: Scorpio05
      Guys, nothing. that on the other side then other countries may also appear (and more than one)

      Do not frighten us, let alone warn us. Your Turkey is already there.
      Quote: Scorpio05
      What is the author for, for your fee from the Armenians?

      Do you receive royalties from the Turks?
      Quote: Scorpio05
      99% of Armenians in Karabakh because the Armenians exterminated the Azerbaijanis and expelled the rest?

      Only the Armenians defended themselves from the massacre by the Azerbaijanis.
      Quote: Scorpio05
      the author "forgot" to mention that 7 large Azerbaijani regions occupied by the Armenians were almost XNUMX% inhabited by Azerbaijanis

      They are not occupied, they are busy in the course of hostilities, and this is a big difference.
      1. Alexey Z
        Alexey Z 6 October 2020 18: 24 New
        0
        Well, when these regions and NK are taken by the Azerbaijanis, will you also say that something is normal? They did not occupy them.
  • thinker
    thinker 5 October 2020 13: 58 New
    +1
    Quote: Albay
    40 thousand Armenians still live in Azerbaijan, did you not know?

    But lying is not good. And how many publications in the Armenian language are there in Azerbaijan, how many churches are there for these forty thousand? The answer is ZERO.
    only 645 people remain in the republic today. (36 men and 609 women), more than half of whom (378 people or 59% of Armenians in Azerbaijan) live in Baku, and the rest in rural areas.

    https://gisher.news/ru/politics/skolko-armyan-ostalos-v-azerbaydjane.html
  • Scorpio05
    Scorpio05 5 October 2020 14: 18 New
    +1
    Quote: ALSur
    Quote: bobwings
    And why does Russia need this dear and far from mutual "friendship" with nationalist Armenia, which takes a lot and gives little. At the same time, he is building a monument to Nazi criminals in the center of his capital, closing Russian schools and holding mass demonstrations with slogans like "Down with the Russian presence." Wouldn't it be better to prefer a tolerant and multinational Azerbaijan, where there are almost fewer Russian schools than in Soviet times, where there are no anti-Russian attacks, where the president, educated and educated in Russian culture, lays a wreath at the monument to Soviet general Hazi Aslanov on May 9.

    With Armenia, everything is the same, but you embellish Azerbaijan greatly, it is no better. In Azerbaijan, the Russians are to blame for everything, they were to blame in the late 80s, early 90s and now.

    But Azerbaijanis have never done and will never do this, see below. There is a sincere attitude towards Russia and the Russian people. In Armenia, the Armenians acquired the character of some kind of pagan folk action. Like celebrating the New Year or celebrating the first. As Karabas said, they just have some kind of holiday. Ugh ... what an abomination.
    So, the sweet Armenian annual tradition of desecration and burning of the Russian flag over the years:
    2018 Armenians burned the Russian flag in Yerevan
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zt7EI46vSk

    2017, the Armenians trampled and burned the Russian flag of the Russian Federation in Yerevan. Russia out of Armenia ...
    1,190 views • Jan 14, 2017
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-P4PXb-rL0

    2016. Armenians burn the Russian flag and commentary by Zhirinovsky
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07NhYGP37-w

    2015, Armenians attacked the Russian Embassy. The flag of Russia and Putin was insulted in Armenia! - F. A .D.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZkKcn4yHh_Y

    Now find the same videos with the participation of Azerbaijanis (there is a sincere attitude towards Russia and the Russian people, as well as the mentality does not allow mocking the state symbols. This is taboo!
    in Armenia it is already like celebrating the New Year or celebrating May Day for Armenians.
    So, the sweet Armenian annual tradition of desecration and burning of the Russian flag over the years:
    2018 Armenians burned the Russian flag in Yerevan
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zt7EI46vSk

    2017, the Armenians trampled and burned the Russian flag of the Russian Federation in Yerevan. Russia out of Armenia ...
    1,190 views • Jan 14, 2017
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-P4PXb-rL0

    2016. Armenians burn the Russian flag and commentary by Zhirinovsky
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07NhYGP37-w

    2015, Armenians attacked the Russian Embassy. The flag of Russia and Putin was insulted in Armenia! - F. A .D.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZkKcn4yHh_Y

    Now find the same videos with the participation of Azerbaijanis
    1. Rokambol
      Rokambol 5 October 2020 15: 38 New
      +9
      Quote: Scorpio05
      But Azerbaijanis have never done and never will.

      You've done worse. Remember the pogroms that you staged.
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  • Alexander X
    Alexander X 5 October 2020 14: 19 New
    +4
    To save the inhabitants of the NKR can only: 1. Recognition of this republic by all major powers 2. The introduction of peacekeepers into the territory of the NKR by the UN decision. 3.Onazanie pressure on Armenia and Azerbaijan in order to force them to terminate the DB. Unfortunately, this will not happen. Formally, Az-n has the right to reclaim his territories. Armenia is unable to defend the NKR independently.
    1. Rokambol
      Rokambol 5 October 2020 15: 33 New
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      Russia, in order to save the inhabitants of Karabakh, can unilaterally recognize the independence of the NKR, following the example of Abkhazia and South Ossetia.
  • Scorpio05
    Scorpio05 5 October 2020 14: 21 New
    0
    Quote: Lipchanin
    Quote: apro
    Boys are adults.

    Themselves will not stop. There are a lot of people who want not to stop it. What are the Turks doing there?
    It means they need it, but we can't?

    And where are the Turks? Who saw them? Only the Armenian op is heard about them. So far, the pilot of the SU-25 that has entered the mountain has a sonorous "Armenian" name and surname: Valery Danelin. It turns out that a Russian man flew to bomb Azerbaijani positions.
    And according to Semyon Bagdasrov (in V. Solovyov's last broadcast), a whole battalion of Kurds is fighting on the side of the Armenians, which has already suffered heavy losses according to S. Bagdasarov. He is a Karabakh Armenian, if anything.
  • TriA
    TriA 5 October 2020 14: 33 New
    +3
    What awaits Nagorno-Karabakh if ​​Baku wins

    New genocide of the Armenian population. Turkey's strengthening in the region and Russia's loss of influence in the Transcaucasus.
    1. Rokambol
      Rokambol 5 October 2020 15: 30 New
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      Turkey may also try to arrange Russia's problems in the North Caucasus. Various nasty things can be expected from this undersultan.
  • Mishka78
    Mishka78 5 October 2020 14: 37 New
    -3
    For the good, Russia should intervene. But a little differently, as Armenians or Azerbaijanis think.

    For this it is necessary to land a powerful Russian military grouping in NKR. In an ultimatum order, under the threat of the use of military force, demand the withdrawal of any armed forces from the NKR, disarm the population to the last knife.
    After that, officially announce that Nagorno-Karabakh will henceforth be assigned a special status - no man's land under external control. The territory is in a special position, the administrative and military support of which is exclusively in the zone of responsibility of the Russian Federation, until the final result of the Azerbaijani-Armenian negotiations is achieved.
    To officially declare that any attempt at an armed uprising in this area, no matter whoever it is, will be considered as an act of armed aggression against the Russian Federation with all the ensuing consequences.
    After that, organize border protection, deploy reinforced military contingents and air defense in the most dangerous points. Organize a temporary administration with the participation of all interested parties.

    Contact the UN Security Council with the following message:
    - in order to prevent the undesirable development of the situation, fraught with numerous human casualties, as well as to eliminate the hotbed of instability at the Russian borders, the territory of Nagorno-Karabakh is transferred under the temporary control of the Russian Federation.
    We appeal to all interested parties with a proposal to increase pressure on all conflicting parties in order to work out a mutually acceptable solution, after which all the armed forces of the Russian Federation will be immediately withdrawn from the territory of the republic, and control over the territory of NKR will be immediately transferred to any interested party in accordance with future agreements.

    The advantages of such a solution are that Russia:
    1. Declares itself as the decisive and most authoritative force.
    2. Eliminates the focus of instability.
    3. Maintains an equally equal relationship with both conflicting parties.
    4. Saves lives, both Azerbaijani and Armenian, and their own.
    5. Remains a decisive player in the Transcaucasus, excluding the influence of any third forces.

    Cons:
    1. You cannot make money on this, only spend it.
    2. This is a serious responsibility.
    3. Provocations are already possible against the Russian Federation from all sides. Although after 1-2 hard responses they will subside.
    4. Howl in international structures about the occupation, new sanctions.
    1. Scorpio05
      Scorpio05 5 October 2020 15: 15 New
      +2
      So Sov.Bez has decisions on this issue that would not hurt to execute. Now Azerbaijan is doing just that. You always have to do someone else's work for others ...

      (1) UN SECURITY COUNCIL RESOLUTION 822 (1993)

      from 30 April to 1993 year

      Security Council

      Recalling the statements made by the President of the Security Council on January 29 and April 6, 1993, on the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict,

      Noting the report of the Secretary-General of 14 April 1993,

      Expressing serious concern at the deterioration of relations between the Republic of Armenia and the Republic of Azerbaijan,

      Noting with concern the escalation of armed hostilities, and in particular the recent invasion of local Armenian forces in the Kelbajar region of Azerbaijan,

      Concerned that this situation threatens peace and security in the region,

      Expressing grave concern at the displacement of a large number of civilians and the humanitarian emergency in the region, in particular in the Kelbajar region,

      reaffirming respect for the sovereignty and territorial integrity of all states in the region;

      Reaffirming also the inviolability of international borders and the inadmissibility of the use of force to acquire territory,

      Declaring our support for the peace process underway within the framework of the Conference on Security and Cooperation in Europe, and deeply concerned about the devastating consequences that the escalation of hostilities could have on this process,

      1. Demands an immediate cessation of all hostilities and hostile acts in order to establish a lasting ceasefire, as well as the immediate withdrawal of all occupying forces from the Kelbajar region and other recently occupied regions of Azerbaijan;
      Adopted unanimously at the 3205 meeting.

      2) UN SECURITY COUNCIL RESOLUTION 853 (1993)

      from 29 July to 1993 year

      Security Council

      Reaffirming its resolution 822 (1993) of April 30, 1993,

      Having considered the report of the Chairman of the Minsk Group of the Conference on Security and Cooperation in Europe of 27 July 1993,

      expressed serious concern about the deterioration of relations between the Republic of Armenia and the Republic of Azerbaijan and the tension between them,

      Welcoming the adoption by stakeholders of an urgent action plan to implement its resolution 822 (1993),

      Noting with concern the escalation of hostilities and, in particular, the seizure of the Aghdam region in Azerbaijan, being concerned that this situation continues to threaten peace and security in the region, expressed again serious concern about the displacement of large numbers of civilians in Azerbaijan and the humanitarian emergency in the region, reaffirmed the sovereignty and territorial integrity of Azerbaijan and all other states in the region, reaffirming also the inviolability of international borders and the inadmissibility of the use of force to acquire territory,

      1. CONDEMNS the seizure of the Agdam region and all other recently occupied regions of the Republic of Azerbaijan;

      2. Also condemns all hostile acts in the region, in particular attacks on civilians and the bombing and shelling of populated areas;

      3. Demands the immediate cessation of all hostilities and the immediate, complete and unconditional WITHDRAWAL of the OCCUPATIONAL FORCES participating in the conflict from the Aghdam region and all other recently OCCUPIED REGIONS of Azerbaijan;
    2. Scorpio05
      Scorpio05 5 October 2020 15: 35 New
      0
      Quote: TriA
      Quote: Scorpio05
      Guys, nothing. that on the other side then other countries may also appear (and more than one)

      Do not frighten us, let alone warn us. Your Turkey is already there.
      Quote: Scorpio05
      What is the author for, for your fee from the Armenians?

      Do you receive royalties from the Turks?
      Quote: Scorpio05
      99% of Armenians in Karabakh because the Armenians exterminated the Azerbaijanis and expelled the rest?

      Only the Armenians defended themselves from the massacre by the Azerbaijanis.
      Quote: Scorpio05
      the author "forgot" to mention that 7 large Azerbaijani regions occupied by the Armenians were almost XNUMX% inhabited by Azerbaijanis

      They are not occupied, they are busy in the course of hostilities, and this is a big difference.


      Do not spread your Armenian propaganda, please. The Armenians brutally and massively destroyed the peaceful Azerbaijani population in Karabakh, in particular in cities and towns: Khojaly, Karadagly, Agdaban, Mesheli, Kosaly, Baganis-Ayrum, Lachin, etc. There are reports of the Russian society "Memorial" and the international human rights organization Humans Rights Watch Helsinki and other numerous confirmations by international organizations of the atrocities of Armenians in Khojaly and other places.
      About the alleged "occupation" of the territory, not the occupation. Another attempt to throw on a healthy head. There is an international classification of such actions, leave your Armenian language for nationalist youth forums. There are UN Security Council resolutions which clearly formulate the occupation of Azerbaijani regions (I gave examples of these resolutions above).
      Nobody pays me, from the word in general, and for a long time)) I am just a modest unemployed person expressing my personal point of view. But forgive me for the involuntary pathos, love and affection for the homeland and for my state (even if I'm not settled) no one canceled) And it will not be able to.
      And nobody threatens you. It's just that there is an attempt (including and with the help of such "authors" agents of influence, it can blindly, or maybe not) to plunge the Russian Federation into another major conflict with several states that are not part of the Western world.
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  • Scorpio05
    Scorpio05 5 October 2020 14: 54 New
    0
    Quote: iouris
    Quote: Scorpio05
    fighters of the Syrian Free Army, which is in the most hostile relationship with Daesh (ISIS), are taken there.

    Easier: "good" terrorists are taken there.

    Fair? I don't care what is there in Libya. In general, there are no international accusations of terrorism against the Syrian Free Army, in contrast to the PKK.
  • Scorpio05
    Scorpio05 5 October 2020 15: 02 New
    -1
    Quote: Alexander X
    To save the inhabitants of the NKR can only: 1. Recognition of this republic by all major powers 2. The introduction of peacekeepers into the territory of the NKR by the UN decision. 3.Onazanie pressure on Armenia and Azerbaijan in order to force them to terminate the DB. Unfortunately, this will not happen. Formally, Az-n has the right to reclaim his territories. Armenia is unable to defend the NKR independently.

    You can also personally save this wretched NKR, I think all decisions can be replaced by your recognition of this formation-peritonitis on the body of Azerbaijan and immediate sending to Nagorno-Karabakh and personal, physical participation in upholding the interests of Armenians and your personal ideals. I think all parties will be happy, you will honor your personal recognition of your beloved education and subsequent eternal rest in these lands. I think your rebellious spirit will be calmed by this compromise solution that suits all parties concerned.
    Respectfully....
  • Scorpio05
    Scorpio05 5 October 2020 15: 09 New
    -1
    Quote: TriA
    What awaits Nagorno-Karabakh if ​​Baku wins

    New genocide of the Armenian population. Turkey's strengthening in the region and Russia's loss of influence in the Transcaucasus.

    Repetition of Pashinyan's daily howl.
  • Scorpio05
    Scorpio05 5 October 2020 15: 51 New
    0
    Quote: Mishka78
    For the good, Russia should intervene. But a little differently, as Armenians or Azerbaijanis think.

    For this it is necessary to land a powerful Russian military grouping in NKR. In an ultimatum order, under the threat of the use of military force, demand the withdrawal of any armed forces from the NKR, disarm the population to the last knife.
    After that, officially announce that Nagorno-Karabakh will henceforth be assigned a special status - no man's land under external control. The territory is in a special position, the administrative and military support of which is exclusively in the zone of responsibility of the Russian Federation, until the final result of the Azerbaijani-Armenian negotiations is achieved.
    To officially declare that any attempt at an armed uprising in this area, no matter whoever it is, will be considered as an act of armed aggression against the Russian Federation with all the ensuing consequences.
    After that, organize border protection, deploy reinforced military contingents and air defense in the most dangerous points. Organize a temporary administration with the participation of all interested parties.

    Contact the UN Security Council with the following message:
    - in order to prevent the undesirable development of the situation, fraught with numerous human casualties, as well as to eliminate the hotbed of instability at the Russian borders, the territory of Nagorno-Karabakh is transferred under the temporary control of the Russian Federation.
    We appeal to all interested parties with a proposal to increase pressure on all conflicting parties in order to work out a mutually acceptable solution, after which all the armed forces of the Russian Federation will be immediately withdrawn from the territory of the republic, and control over the territory of NKR will be immediately transferred to any interested party in accordance with future agreements.

    The advantages of such a solution are that Russia:
    1. Declares itself as the decisive and most authoritative force.
    2. Eliminates the focus of instability.
    3. Maintains an equally equal relationship with both conflicting parties.
    4. Saves lives, both Azerbaijani and Armenian, and their own.
    5. Remains a decisive player in the Transcaucasus, excluding the influence of any third forces.

    Cons:
    1. You cannot make money on this, only spend it.
    2. This is a serious responsibility.
    3. Provocations are already possible against the Russian Federation from all sides. Although after 1-2 hard responses they will subside.
    4. Howl in international structures about the occupation, new sanctions.

    Here is another UN Security Council resolution from the mid-90s, where it is indicated in black and white that Nagorno-Karabakh belongs to Azerbaijan and the requirement to withdraw Armenian troops from Azerbaijan.
    UN Security Council RESOLUTION 822 (1993) of 30 April 1993
    The Security Council, Recalling the statements made by the President of the Security Council on January 29 and April 6, 1993 on the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict,

    9. Urges the Government of the Republic of Armenia to continue to exercise its influence in order to ensure that the Armenians of the NAGORNO-KARABAKH REGION OF AZERBAIJAN comply with the provisions of resolution 822 (1993) and this resolution, and that side accepts the proposals of the Minsk Group;
  • Scorpio05
    Scorpio05 5 October 2020 15: 58 New
    -1
    Quote: Mishka78
    For the good, Russia should intervene. But a little differently, as Armenians or Azerbaijanis think.

    For this it is necessary to land a powerful Russian military grouping in NKR. In an ultimatum order, under the threat of the use of military force, demand the withdrawal of any armed forces from the NKR, disarm the population to the last knife.
    After that, officially announce that Nagorno-Karabakh will henceforth be assigned a special status - no man's land under external control. The territory is in a special position, the administrative and military support of which is exclusively in the zone of responsibility of the Russian Federation, until the final result of the Azerbaijani-Armenian negotiations is achieved.
    To officially declare that any attempt at an armed uprising in this area, no matter whoever it is, will be considered as an act of armed aggression against the Russian Federation with all the ensuing consequences.
    After that, organize border protection, deploy reinforced military contingents and air defense in the most dangerous points. Organize a temporary administration with the participation of all interested parties.

    Contact the UN Security Council with the following message:
    - in order to prevent the undesirable development of the situation, fraught with numerous human casualties, as well as to eliminate the hotbed of instability at the Russian borders, the territory of Nagorno-Karabakh is transferred under the temporary control of the Russian Federation.
    We appeal to all interested parties with a proposal to increase pressure on all conflicting parties in order to work out a mutually acceptable solution, after which all the armed forces of the Russian Federation will be immediately withdrawn from the territory of the republic, and control over the territory of NKR will be immediately transferred to any interested party in accordance with future agreements.

    The advantages of such a solution are that Russia:
    1. Declares itself as the decisive and most authoritative force.
    2. Eliminates the focus of instability.
    3. Maintains an equally equal relationship with both conflicting parties.
    4. Saves lives, both Azerbaijani and Armenian, and their own.
    5. Remains a decisive player in the Transcaucasus, excluding the influence of any third forces.

    Cons:
    1. You cannot make money on this, only spend it.
    2. This is a serious responsibility.
    3. Provocations are already possible against the Russian Federation from all sides. Although after 1-2 hard responses they will subside.
    4. Howl in international structures about the occupation, new sanctions.

    And yet, maybe for a good first, you yourself interfere, go there yourself, ask for a weapon, jump there over the rocks under hurricane fire. Try first for yourself what awaits those whom you are going to send there so generously to fight for the Armenian interests to the last Russian soldier.
  • Scorpio05
    Scorpio05 5 October 2020 16: 08 New
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    Quote: Nyrobsky
    Quote: Ingvar 72
    Quote: oleg123219307
    followed by the request of the Republic of Armenia and Karabakh to join the Russian Federation.

    I absolutely agree that this should be the only option in which the Russian Federation will send troops there.
    But I'm afraid the guys upstairs will come up with another reason.

    Why invent it if we are within the framework of the Collective Security Treaty (CSTO)? Here, rather, it is necessary to come up with a reason for not being drawn into a full-fledged and large-scale war, fulfilling their obligations under the treaty. It seems that by activating this conflict, someone really counts on the fact that this particular mechanism will be activated.

    The CSTO is already operating in Azerbaijan, in the interior regions of Azerbaijan, located 200 km away. from the state border with Armenia? Tomorrow Kyrgyzstan will attack Uzbekistan, and Armenia (after the successful experience of involving the Russian Federation in the conflict with Azerbaijan) will finally decide to get to its beloved Ararat in Turkey, which means (according to you) it is necessary to fit in right after these dwarfs who decided to acquire a new territory for the account of a strong uncle behind your back?
    By the way, there is confirmed information that it is from the territory of Armenia that the Tornadoes are working in Ganja, the Armenians also fired at Mingechaur (Point-u fell near the state district power station).
    Also, Armenian OTRK fired at random at the Absheron region near Baku and many other cities of Azerbaijan located at a distance of 300 km or more from Karabakh.
    I wonder who gave such a range and power to such scumbags? And how can, hiding behind the power and protection of the CSTO (we cannot respond adequately to the Armenian units shooting at us in Armenia), shell the largest civil and industrial facilities of Azerbaijan, civilians in the regions near Baku? Why did you give these id-there such weapons?