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Nagorno-Karabakh. Side tactics

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Today, in any modern military conflict, a relatively new type of recording the results of application is especially effective and widely practiced. weapons - shooting from cameras of drones and unmanned aerial vehicles. Based on the videos from the Azerbaijani side, one can draw some conclusions about the tactics of the sides: there is a tracing of the experience of the military operations of the Turkish army itself in Syria and Libya.


This concerns, first of all, the use of reconnaissance and attack drones, which arrived in Azerbaijan from Turkey together with experienced operators. In addition to Turkish ones, Israeli UAVs are used, as well as ATGM "Spike", OTRK "LORA", patrolling ammunition "IAI Harop", "Hermes 900". Azerbaijan itself has been producing UAVs "Aerostar" and "Orbiter-2011M" since 2, which are obviously used.

The tactics of the Azerbaijani forces are determined by the presence of the listed modern weapons systems, which Armenia does not have. The main feature of the operation is the massive and effective use of high-precision weapons, primarily strike UAVs. Their main goals are Tanks, air defense systems, artillery, MLRS, command posts, ammunition depots, locations of units, accommodation of personnel, including in dugouts and shelters, at stops, convoys of equipment on the march, bridges, infrastructure facilities, administrative buildings and structures. The first task is to destroy the air defense system and open the sky for aviation... Near Stepanakert, the drone allegedly destroyed the Armenian S-300 air defense system. Before that, there were videos about the strike using a kamikaze drone, apparently "IAI Harop", on the S-300 near Goris on the border with the NKR. There are many clear videos about the destruction of the Osa AKM and Strela-10 air defense systems (the main air defense system of the Armenian forces). Judging by the footage, it was mainly the Turkish Bayraktar TB2 UAVs that were used.


There are many shots of striking the columns of equipment. It is noticeable that the technique in caponiers and in positions is open, without disguise. There is a video of the defeat of a UAV of a moving MLRS "Grad".

There are footage of the latest Russian electronic warfare "Repellent" system, probably destroyed by a kamikaze drone, intended to suppress small UAVs.

Infrastructure is being destroyed. With the help of the Israeli OTRK "LORA" an attempt was made to destroy the bridge over the Akar River on the road between Armenia and NKR. Electricity supply in Stepanakert is out of order. The unrecognized NKR, in response to the strike on Stepanakert, hit the Smerch MLRS at the city of Ganja.

The goal of the Azerbaijani army is to almost completely deprive the Armenian Armed Forces of military equipment and material and technical resources and the ability to replenish them, which will lead to the impossibility of conducting hostilities. As a result, the Armenian military must be convinced that their resistance is doomed due to the obvious advantage of the enemy over them. Through the statements of Aliyev, who actively comments on and personally leads the information support of the operation, they are given the following alternative: either to leave the Azerbaijani land, or inevitably perish. This is also a tactic. During Desert Storm, the Iraqi army was so demoralized by prolonged coalition bombing that it lost the ability to resist, and entire units surrendered without a fight.

There is no goal to kill as many enemy soldiers as possible. As the destruction of equipment, depletion and resources, ammunition, food and fuel and lubricants by constant precise strikes, the enemy is deprived of the opportunity to wage a war, his will to resist is suppressed, the defense collapses and the surrender of positions and territory occurs.

Briefly: Armenia has an army of the XNUMXth century, while Azerbaijan has elements of the XNUMXst. Hence the difference in battle tactics.
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  1. Ragnar Lodbrok
    Ragnar Lodbrok 5 October 2020 12: 04
    10
    It is noticeable that the technique in caponiers and in positions is open, without disguise.

    This is the first thing that caught my eye ..
    Armenia has an army of the XX century, and Azerbaijan has an army of XXI.

    It is important who will have more determination.
    1. credo
      credo 5 October 2020 13: 50
      11
      Quote: Ragnar lodbrok
      It is noticeable that the technique in caponiers and in positions is open, without disguise.

      This is the first thing that caught my eye ..
      Armenia has an army of the XX century, and Azerbaijan has an army of XXI.

      It is important who will have more determination.

      They also say that in Armenia there is a joint venture with the Poles for the production of inflatable military equipment, so the openly standing equipment may turn out to be a simple dummy.
      The author of the article categorically asserts the reality of video images from the fronts of Nagorno-Karabakh, and I, for example, cannot boast of such confidence, due to the fact that it is impossible to determine by them neither the place of the event, nor the time, nor belonging to one or another army.
      War propaganda is not an unimportant weapon, and I think both sides of the conflict are using it.

      As for the availability of modern weapons on both sides, but without entering into discussions, we can only say that modern weapons in themselves are not a factor determining victory, if there is no well-trained and motivated fighter. The war in Yemen is an eloquent example.
      1. Alekseev
        Alekseev 5 October 2020 14: 20
        +7
        Quote: credo
        War propaganda is not an unimportant weapon

        That's right!
        Sitting on the couch and watching the video is just ... unwise to draw far-reaching conclusions.
        If we recall the Great Patriotic War, then the film footage filmed, say, after an unsuccessful counterstrike of the 5th Guards. TA near Prokhorovka, would overshadow all modern UAV videos in terms of effectiveness.
        But victory in the Battle of Kursk was ours, despite the heavy losses, because German soldiers, tanks and aircraft were also pretty much destroyed.
        So here too, without information other than propaganda cadres, it is difficult to draw conclusions about the army, whether it is the XNUMXst century or the XNUMXth. especially if he himself is far from the army, as the Decembrist is from the people. Even with certainty, a sample of weapons or a model was destroyed, whose it, when struck, cannot be.
        When the Turks used UAVs in Idlib against the SAR troops that were actually not covered by the military air defense, the "individual civilians" also went nuts from the level of the XNUMXst century. But as soon as the air defense was organized, there was a small drone fall and everything fell into place. To save the Barmaleevs from complete defeat, the Turks had to bring in a large grouping of ground troops, incur losses, and Erdogan quickly fly to Moscow to settle matters.
        So here, in a difficult mountainous area, it is unlikely that all the attempts of Azerbaijan will make it possible to crush the Armenians completely. When hospitals and cemeteries are overloaded, a search for a compromise will begin, and then there will be a guerrilla war ... This also applies to Armenians 100%.
        1. Old tanker
          Old tanker 6 October 2020 06: 54
          +2
          Determining a destroyed mock or a real combat vehicle is quite simple. The inflatable model and the plywood are also scattered to shreds, and the real combat vehicle then burns with a bright flame, after which it flutters b / c or smelly, if this does not happen. Except for minor damage of course.
          1. tagil
            tagil 6 October 2020 23: 37
            0
            The inflatable model and plywood are also scattered to shreds, and a real combat vehicle then burns with a bright flame, after which it flutters b / c or smelly if this does not happen.
            Yes, you are right, but a real tank in a caponier or an inflatable can be understood only after its defeat and video control. So there is a reason for “cheating”.
          2. Indifferent
            Indifferent 9 October 2020 14: 20
            0
            The rubber dummy will also be smelly and will smoke for a relatively long time. And, if they put mock-ups for blows, the blows themselves should look believable. This means that fuels and lubricants must be near so that all this burns and explodes and the enemy has no doubts that they have hit a combat object, and not a rubber band (from cowards). Otherwise, it makes no sense to place a rubber object. There are no fools now. All strikes are checked from the air.
      2. Sergei Sovetkin
        5 October 2020 17: 39
        +7
        You have a wrong opinion about the Yemeni Houthis. They are armed and have long used drones, unmanned aerial vehicles, cruise missiles, and conventional missiles. And you all judge about them by photographs with ragamuffins in slippers and old AKs
    2. Slon1978
      Slon1978 6 October 2020 01: 30
      +1
      Do you seriously think that covering equipment with a net or branches will help hide it from UAV thermal imaging cameras? This worked, perhaps, at the latest until the time of the 2nd Chechen Company, when the pilots of SU-25 attack aircraft or attack helicopters, firing unguided weapons like NURSs, were still identifying targets visually at a decent speed. UAVs have stabilized sights with a thermal imaging channel, located in the lower plane of the device, fly slowly. Even equipment with an inoperative engine and a cold barrel will contrast in the thermal imager due to the heating of metal armor by the sun.
      1. Old tanker
        Old tanker 6 October 2020 06: 58
        0
        You have a bad idea of ​​the possibilities of modern camouflage and thermal traps of radar reflectors.
        And yes, if the car is standing for a long time with the engine not running, it, with elementary camouflage, is completely non-contrast in the thermal imaging channel with the environment.
        Learn materiel on a practical basis, not on the couch
        1. Slon1978
          Slon1978 6 October 2020 07: 51
          +2
          Tell us, if it's not difficult for you, for my general development - how can camouflage of an ACS in a caponier look like in practice using heat traps and (or) radar reflectors so that it is not contrasting in the thermal imaging channel? I confess, I broke my head :) And, if possible, the question is - why the equipment struck in the caponiers on the video glows in the sight with a uniform glow, without a bright glow of the barrel (from possible recent shooting) or the stern part (in case it has recently drove into the caponier, but did not shoot)?
    3. TermNachTer
      TermNachTer 6 October 2020 10: 51
      -1
      I want to remind you that there are mountains. There is no need to explain who was in Afghanistan - they know. Second, the defense has been preparing for almost 30 years and it will not be easy to break through such a defense, which is what we see. During a week of fighting, the Azerbaijanis advanced several kilometers, captured several villages that have no meaning. How long will the strength last?)))
    4. Isim soyad
      Isim soyad 6 October 2020 15: 58
      +1
      Determination in what, to control with a joystick?
    5. Letun
      Letun 7 October 2020 16: 45
      +1
      Quote: Ragnar Lothbrok
      It is important who will have more determination.

      I strongly suspect that the Indians had more determination than the US soldiers. Did it help them a lot against firearms?
  2. Lipchanin
    Lipchanin 5 October 2020 12: 10
    26
    Briefly: Armenia has an army of the XNUMXth century, while Azerbaijan has elements of the XNUMXst. Hence the difference in battle tactics.

    Do not add not reduce.
    Someone was preparing for the war, and someone was picking his nose. PM were not taught even the basic skills of disguise
    1. yehat2
      yehat2 5 October 2020 12: 26
      +6
      I didn't really understand why the UAV is cooler than the ju-78 90 years ago
      the reason for Azerbaijan's success is the unpreparedness of Armenia's forces for a real conflict
      They do not disguise their forces, do not build normal shelters for troops, do not evacuate civilians in time, do not notify the start of shelling, do not conduct effective counter-battery warfare and reconnaissance, etc.
      1. WeAreNumerOne
        WeAreNumerOne 5 October 2020 12: 37
        +4
        I didn't really understand why the UAV is cooler than the ju-78 90 years ago

        Since there are no pilots there, the loss is not so terrible, and the presence of corrected weapons.
        1. yehat2
          yehat2 5 October 2020 12: 39
          -3
          not important. The presence of the UAV - the presence of the I-15 bis in 1942. There is no difference.
          This does not offer any decisive advantage.
          1. WeAreNumerOne
            WeAreNumerOne 5 October 2020 12: 42
            +3
            It does not give, but it saves life, and the life of each person is a value, more valuable than money
            1. yehat2
              yehat2 5 October 2020 12: 43
              +2
              tell that to those who are currently fighting in NK. How much life is there.
              1. WeAreNumerOne
                WeAreNumerOne 5 October 2020 12: 45
                13
                Better to fight in the army, where life is valued, and the UAVs go ahead. Because in any war, the nation loses the best, each of whom would otherwise live happily.
                1. yehat2
                  yehat2 5 October 2020 12: 49
                  +1
                  UAVs save lives, but on the scale of even such a small conflict, this does not matter.
                  Plus, UAVs cost a lot of money and might have been worth spending on something else that would have saved more lives.
                  1. WeAreNumerOne
                    WeAreNumerOne 5 October 2020 12: 50
                    +4
                    Life plays a role, my life plays a role.
                    Plus, UAVs cost a lot of money and might have been worth spending on something else that would have saved more lives.

                    For instance? Just wondering. Don't say tanks. They are now targets
                    1. Pereira
                      Pereira 5 October 2020 12: 58
                      +6
                      At least on camouflage nets.
                      1. Pilat2009
                        Pilat2009 5 October 2020 13: 26
                        +5
                        Quote: Pereira
                        At least on camouflage nets.

                        The thermal signature is not masked by the networks. There are also thermal imagers on the UAV, and they perfectly see the human silhouette behind the wall
                      2. Pereira
                        Pereira 5 October 2020 14: 01
                        +3
                        Yes, they do. Only from what distance? Will they see from a height of 8 km?
                      3. yehat2
                        yehat2 5 October 2020 15: 05
                        +4
                        Quote: Pilat2009
                        and they perfectly see the human silhouette behind the wall

                        do not talk nonsense
                      4. Mountain shooter
                        Mountain shooter 5 October 2020 20: 37
                        -1
                        Quote: Pilat2009
                        The thermal signature is not masked by the networks. There are also thermal imagers on the UAV, and they perfectly see the human silhouette behind the wall

                        It depends on which networks ... I can disappoint you. Thermal imagers do not see a person even through window glass! I checked it myself. Those who see the heat of the human body. And behind the wall ... doubtful. Through the fabric - easily. But through aluminized (mirror) film - no. Such, cheap, in which flowers like to wrap ...
                      5. Old tanker
                        Old tanker 6 October 2020 07: 09
                        0
                        Well, at the expense of the flower film, you bent it. Even a person wrapped in a rescue blanket contrasts well in a firefighter's thermal imager. Checked. But of course, everything depends on the distance, the resolution of the thermal imager and the number of blankets. laughing
                        In modern armies, there are enough engineering protection equipment, both factory-made and manufactured by the troops. and camouflage techniques from thermal imaging detection equipment.
                      6. Mountain shooter
                        Mountain shooter 6 October 2020 08: 21
                        +2
                        Quote: Old Tankman
                        Well, at the expense of the flower film, you bent

                        So don't wrap yourself up in it! Hang like a curtain. The metallized film does not transmit IR at all. Even just with aluminum. Put your hand on it - the thermal imager will instantly see ... the contour of the touch.
                  2. Old tanker
                    Old tanker 6 October 2020 07: 01
                    0
                    For that they do not see at all behind the smoke, a heavy fog. Not to mention special aerosols.
                  3. AndreyS
                    AndreyS 6 October 2020 13: 18
                    +1
                    Quote: Pilat2009
                    The thermal signature is not masked by the networks. There are also thermal imagers on the UAV, and they perfectly see the human silhouette behind the wall

                    You yourself looked into the thermal imager ??? This only happens in the movies !!!!! (especially behind the wall, for this there is a special stenovisor system such as XAVER ™ 400 (Israeli by the way). )))
              2. Vitaly Tsymbal
                Vitaly Tsymbal 5 October 2020 14: 30
                +4
                Dear you were in the war? I don't think so. Even hailstones and tornadoes, although they hit the squares, do more damage than UAVs ... And the machine gunner destroys opponents in battle more than MLRS. Don't believe me? Then go ahead in search of truth to the front line in Karabakh (even to the Armenians, even to the Azerbaijanis) ...
            2. Krasnodar
              Krasnodar 5 October 2020 14: 53
              +5
              Quote: yehat2
              UAVs save lives, but on the scale of even such a small conflict, this does not matter.
              Plus, UAVs cost a lot of money and might have been worth spending on something else that would have saved more lives.

              Conventionally: A missile for the S-300 complex costs the Syrians more than the lost F-16 for the Israelis. Despite the huge difference in price. Because economies are disproportionate. Once again - conditionally, without taking into account the factors of sponsorship of superpowers, assessments of human life in different societies, etc.
          2. sabakina
            sabakina 5 October 2020 13: 00
            -2
            Quote: WeAreNumerOne
            Better to fight in the army, where life is valued, and the UAVs go ahead. Because in any war, the nation loses the best, each of whom would otherwise live happily.

            Is it warm at the Pentagon today? They gave us warmth. And you? wink
          3. Comrade Kim
            Comrade Kim 5 October 2020 13: 33
            +4
            Both sides can easily increase the number of manpower in their ranks.
            Only in the Moscow region (Moscow + Moscow region), according to official data, there are several hundred thousand illegal immigrants from Arm. and Azr.
            The embassies of these countries should declare a fee for indicating the addresses where their illegal male compatriots aged 18+ live.
            And let them decide in which army and on which drones to fight.
            1. Essex62
              Essex62 6 October 2020 10: 15
              +1
              There is an Armenian jewelry holding in Moscow, you have to drive up to see the poster "Everything for the front, everything for victory!" Hangs.
  • Sergei Sovetkin
    5 October 2020 13: 11
    +7
    There was not enough space to discuss the reasons for the current situation in relation to Armenia. In the full text it was. And the task was to analyze the tactics of the Azerbaijani army
    1. Vitaly Tsymbal
      Vitaly Tsymbal 5 October 2020 14: 34
      +8
      Sergei, don't worry. You didn’t reveal what was stated in the title at all. First, look in the dictionary of military terms for what tactics, operational art and strategy are ... Sorry for being straightforward.
      1. Sergei Sovetkin
        5 October 2020 17: 49
        +2
        Yes, and there is nothing to watch. I performed a specific task as I understood it - to judge by the video on the networks. And no more. You can write everything about science, and about tactics, and strategy, and the operational art of the parties. Moreover, the war continues and in addition to the video, more and more materials appear for analyzing and assessing the situation and actions and intentions of both. I am pleased to read your works on this and other topics, also no offense.
        1. Vitaly Tsymbal
          Vitaly Tsymbal 5 October 2020 19: 24
          +1
          Sergei, I do not write analytical articles, especially since I do not have verified information ... I still do not understand the strategic plan of Azerbaijan, but the NKR strategy is quite predictable, as for the operational decision, here we need an analysis of battles during past wars - mountains are always for solving operational tasks have a sign of constancy, as for combined arms tactics - while all the reserves on both sides are not involved it is too early to say. And lastly, about the title - each branch of the military has its own tactics. If you named the article "The tactics of using the BLPA of the Azerbaijani army" - there would be no questions, but so ...
    2. Florian geyer
      Florian geyer 5 October 2020 21: 03
      +8
      Dear author!
      The article does not analyze the tactics of the Azerbaijani army. UAV listing only.
      Over the past 7 days, we see 2 corps of the Azerbaijani army helplessly hammering into the field fortifications of the NKR front line, held by the forward units of only two divisions. At the same time, the Azerbaijani army suffers losses incomparable with the advancement. The uncoordinated and not decisive actions of the Azerbaijani infantry, tanks and artillery cannot cause serious damage to the NKR units leading a competent combined arms battle.
      It would be interesting to analyze the reasons for the helplessness of the Azerbaijani army. Is this connected with the fact that, under the influence of the Turks, the school of combined arms combat was lost, or the fact that the Azerbaijanis did not prepare their army for battle, relying on the UAV wunderwaffe?
      1. Grits
        Grits 6 October 2020 05: 35
        +3
        Quote: Florian Geyer
        It would be interesting to analyze the reasons for the helplessness of the Azerbaijani army. Is this connected with the fact that, under the influence of the Turks, the school of combined arms combat was lost, or the fact that the Azerbaijanis did not prepare their army for battle, relying on the UAV wunderwaffe?

        I think yes. The Azerbaijanis adopted the experience of the Turks. Which did not participate in major wars for 100 years, but only in operations against partisans and small formations such as the Syrian. What can this experience give? Only an appropriate result.
        Armenia has an old Soviet school. When preparing officers to fight on a big scale. Including in defense with superior enemy forces in manpower and equipment.
  • Lipchanin
    Lipchanin 5 October 2020 13: 20
    0
    So I am about that
  • Gloomy skeptic
    Gloomy skeptic 5 October 2020 14: 37
    +1
    I agree with you. The impression is that in the courtyard in 1941 and all equipment and defensive structures are at a loss, although a simple camouflage, even a primitive one, would be very effective.
  • Terenin
    Terenin 5 October 2020 12: 55
    14
    Quote: Lipchanin
    Someone was preparing for the war, and someone was picking his nose.

    They did not poke around ... they "civilized" the Sorosyatsk grants, and on them, incl. Russian schools in Armenia were closed.
    1. Pereira
      Pereira 5 October 2020 12: 58
      +6
      Soros will save them.
      1. Terenin
        Terenin 5 October 2020 13: 06
        +5
        Quote: Pereira
        Soros will save them.

        When was it a bandit, terrorist and criminal who saved someone? No.
        1. Oleg123219307
          Oleg123219307 5 October 2020 13: 50
          +2
          Quote: Terenin
          When was it a bandit, terrorist and criminal who saved someone?

          That is it. But we should go there after all the mud in which they tumbled Russia, why?
          1. Terenin
            Terenin 5 October 2020 19: 40
            +2
            Quote: oleg123219307
            Quote: Terenin
            When was it a bandit, terrorist and criminal who saved someone?

            That is it. But we should go there after all the mud in which they tumbled Russia, why?

            I also think that it is too early. Nobody wants to hear anything there.
  • credo
    credo 5 October 2020 13: 55
    +3
    Quote: Lipchanin
    Briefly: Armenia has an army of the XNUMXth century, while Azerbaijan has elements of the XNUMXst. Hence the difference in battle tactics.

    Do not add not reduce.
    Someone was preparing for the war, and someone was picking his nose. PM were not taught even the basic skills of disguise

    You should not be so gullible, relying only on an incomprehensible where the video was filmed. Judging by how difficult the Azerbaijani army is advancing (if of course it is advancing at all), the Armenians of Nagorno-Karabakh did not sit idly by, so there is no need to make such hasty conclusions.
    1. Sergei Sovetkin
      5 October 2020 17: 57
      0
      Do not trust anyone or anything. Wait a bit. And you will see, but do not believe that Armenia will ask for an armistice for the complete withdrawal of all who survived from Karabakh and the rest of the occupied territory. They will leave on foot or ask to be allowed to use buses and civilian vehicles from Armenia, at least for transporting the wounded and the elderly. women and children.
      1. Florian geyer
        Florian geyer 5 October 2020 21: 07
        +4
        A couple more weeks will pass, the Azerbaijanis will advance another 500 meters, declare a great victory, and this will end the aggravation.
        1. Grits
          Grits 6 October 2020 05: 45
          +2
          Quote: Florian Geyer
          A couple more weeks will pass, the Azerbaijanis will advance another 500 meters, declare a great victory, and this will end the aggravation.

          I looked at the places of battles in 3D mode on the Google Earth map and everything fell into place. The relief rules. The Azerbaijanis occupied the territory in the foothills, on the plains, in the valleys. For example, the captured village of Talysh is located on a plain in front of the mountains. And the mountains themselves are still ahead. And all the roads, gorges, bridges are mined and shot. Firing points are equipped at the heights, bunkers, ambushes, mobile groups are possible along the paths of movement. The most fun is just beginning. Plus, vegetation and forest begin in the mountains. Partisan expanse with mines, ATGMs and snipers on the way.
      2. Butchcassidy
        Butchcassidy 6 October 2020 07: 58
        0
        Wait a bit. And you will see, but do not believe that Armenia will ask for an armistice for the complete withdrawal of all who survived from Karabakh and the rest of the occupied territory. They will leave on foot or ask to be allowed to use buses and civilian vehicles from Armenia, at least for transporting the wounded and the elderly. women and children.


        You do not know and do not understand the conflict, do not understand the psychology of the parties. Just as you do not understand or do not have an idea of ​​the terrain, which does not allow the use of aviation, UAVs as it happens on the plain. The region is indented by engineering fortifications that prevent the use of large force groupings for blitz-krieg. Compare the effort expended on the results achieved. And the war is not over yet.

        And the mentality is not taken into account, oh, how unreasonable. See how the fighting will end.
  • TermNachTer
    TermNachTer 6 October 2020 10: 58
    0
    You shouldn't think that the Armenians are so bad. They, too, knew very well that there would be war. Moreover, for them it is not just a matter of defeat in the war, but of survival. They have not forgotten ethnic cleansing. The equipment in the caponiers stands open - we have already seen how the plywood "wasp" is being destroyed. It is possible that the equipment shown in the video is also plywood. So far, apart from cheerful reports from Baku, no particular results have been observed. Destroyed tents are cool))) was there someone in those tents?)))
  • Airdefense
    Airdefense 5 October 2020 12: 11
    32
    Then the question is why the Saudis with technology from the 22nd century cannot cope with the bearded men in shale in Yemen, the same applies to Afghanistan, the United States with the most modern technology cannot cope with the Taliban.
    All the same, “beautiful” shots from the UAV do their job in the best traditions of Hollywood.
    1. TechPriest
      TechPriest 5 October 2020 12: 35
      +9
      Because in order to cope with the Taliban, you will simply have to cut out the entire population there, or drive them into filtration camps. How can you tell a peaceful person from an action movie? And in any way, until you get it in the back
      Read the memories of Afghans.
      1. Airdefense
        Airdefense 5 October 2020 13: 27
        0
        And why super UAVs don't patrol around the clock and shoot anyone who looks like a military man with a machine gun? All I mean is that there is some kind of unhealthy "fap" on the drones, although if you count the losses from all the videos posted, subtract the same strikes from different angles, strikes on the models, and there is a suspicion that some tanks also played the role of such layouts, the losses will not be so “terrible”.
        But here's what I'm sure, UAVs are a threat to the near future if air defense and electronic warfare remain at the current level, because now the economy is in favor of UAVs.
      2. Pilat2009
        Pilat2009 5 October 2020 13: 32
        +1
        Quote: TechPriest
        Because in order to cope with the Taliban, you will simply have to cut out the entire population there, or drive them into filtration camps. How can you tell a peaceful person from an action movie? And in any way, until you get it in the back
        Read the memories of Afghans.

        A bruise on the shoulder or powder soot on the face in the age of tolerance is not evidence. The British, too, could not cope with the Boers until the families were imprisoned in concentration camps
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 5 October 2020 15: 28
      -3
      The Houthis and Armenians cannot be compared at all.
  • Sentinel-vs
    Sentinel-vs 5 October 2020 12: 16
    25
    The title does not match the content. They noted the use of the UAV by Azerbaijan. Is that all? And where are the tactics of the infantry, the tactics of using artillery, armored vehicles. The author of an enthusiastic UAV fan? Do you think some UAVs win wars?
    Almost nothing has been said about the Armenian side.
    Poor visibility
    1. Mikhail3
      Mikhail3 5 October 2020 12: 31
      +6
      Everything you ask about is in the article. So it is said, the tactics of the infantry and so on - sit still and wait until the Armenians run out of equipment. Since the economy of Azerbaijan cannot be compared with the Armenian one, the result is completely predictable. Apparently, the American Armenians set up their "brothers" in Armenia in full, promising them mountains of gold and rivers of support. Which convincingly proves once again - an American cannot have any brothers and no friends in principle. Any manifestation of American "friendship and brotherhood" is simply a manifestation of betrayal.
      Two conclusions follow from the situation. The first. Any half of the Armenian generals corps should be shot. As a matter of fact, everyone should be shot, but then there will be no one to fight. As you know, victory in modern warfare begins with the seizure of air supremacy. Not taking into account the danger of UAVs (although the possibilities are not just to achieve good software in this matter, but also how much you want to train, since a UAV target is incomparably cheaper than an airplane target), the Armenian generals committed a real war crime.
      And the second thing. The only chance for Armenians is an immediate large-scale offensive. Moreover, the offensive was successful. Of course, Mr. Pashinyan expects the Russians to fight for him again. The Americans are counting on the same, who made porridge both with Pashinyan and with this war. However, these guys did not take into account something ...
      1. Grits
        Grits 6 October 2020 05: 52
        0
        Quote: Mikhail3
        As you know, victory in modern warfare begins with the seizure of air supremacy. Not taking into account the danger of UAVs (although the possibilities are not just to achieve good software in this matter, but also how much you want to train, since a UAV target is incomparably cheaper than an aircraft target), the generals of Armenia committed a real war crime.

        Perhaps they hoped that the Wasps would successfully cope with Turkish and Israeli UAVs? But they did not meet expectations. And there is nothing else.
        1. Mikhail3
          Mikhail3 7 October 2020 10: 14
          0
          And I expected that the money would be transferred to me on the debts. But hopes were not justified ((Such things do not "count", exercises are carried out here. For testing and training. Who is smarter - they buy a pair of other people's UAVs. Of course, when you are busy with other things ...
    2. Albay
      Albay 5 October 2020 12: 36
      +3
      I agree, it is not noted that the Azerbaijani army is actively liberating the commanding heights and taking control of the roads bypassing settlements.
    3. Sergei Sovetkin
      5 October 2020 13: 24
      0
      There was no order about the Armenian. And what about artillery and tanks - the same thing - the task was to analyze the videos available on the network. It goes without saying that most are visible precisely from drones, and most of the defeats will also leave them. And so far, in general, it is they who make the weather and the result, not artillery and tanks, and infantry and special forces. Although, I think, both barrel artillery and MLRS are used. This includes precision ammunition. And aviation is a little involved too. But we are talking about tactics, not about the weapons used. And the tactics are based primarily on the use of UAVs and the preservation of people.
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 5 October 2020 15: 29
        +1
        That's interesting, did Azerbaijan use Spikes at all?
    4. Florian geyer
      Florian geyer 5 October 2020 21: 09
      +1
      Over the past 7 days, we see 2 corps of the Azerbaijani army helplessly hammering into the field fortifications of the NKR front line, held by the forward units of only two divisions. At the same time, the Azerbaijani army suffers losses incomparable with the advancement. The uncoordinated and not decisive actions of the Azerbaijani infantry, tanks and artillery cannot cause serious damage to the NKR units leading a competent combined arms battle.
      That's the whole analysis. Conclusion - the Azerbaijanis, under the influence of the Turks, lost the school of combined arms combat and did not prepare the troops for battles, relying on a wunderwaffe in the form of a UAV
  • Cowbra
    Cowbra 5 October 2020 12: 21
    +5
    ... and both have no counter-battery fight))) 20th century, 21st century ... And the equipment in the hands of the savage has remained a heap of scrap metal
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 5 October 2020 15: 31
      +1
      The Azerbaijanis most likely have such systems and it seems like Israel ordered the Iron Dome.
      1. Cowbra
        Cowbra 5 October 2020 20: 30
        -1
        And damn vidos really shot some group, they beat them for 15 minutes on targets. by technique. with adjustments. on the warriors - there is a mulberry running around alone, on the Ave the flag of the DPR. by the way, according to some slips of the tongue, it was the hotel and not from the headquarters. Ask how mortarmen work in the DPR - otherwise they will be quickly covered. 15 minutes? Give me 15 minutes - I will grind God !!!
  • Daniil Konovalenko
    Daniil Konovalenko 5 October 2020 12: 26
    +3
    The Armenians know that they will either be expelled from Karabakh or ... the Turks can tell about this, great experience in this matter, or all together. This factor must be taken into account. It's like in Sudan: Muslim Arabs, against Christian Negroes.
  • Livonetc
    Livonetc 5 October 2020 12: 32
    +6
    "There is no goal to kill as many enemy soldiers as possible. As equipment is destroyed, depletion and resources, ammunition, food and fuel and lubricants by constant precise strikes, the enemy is deprived of the opportunity to wage a war, his will to resist is suppressed, the defense collapses and the positions and territory are surrendered."

    The destruction of manpower is as significant a goal as the destruction of equipment.
    If necessary, Armenia will receive equipment from various sources.
    But the irrevocable seizure of territories is not possible without a cleanup.
    And the use of multiple launch rocket systems and flamethrower systems cannot be attributed to the tactics of point strikes.
  • certero
    certero 5 October 2020 12: 58
    +3
    Quote: Airdefense
    why the Saudis with technology from the 22nd century cannot cope with the bearded men in shale in Yemen, the same applies to Afghanistan, the United States with the most modern technology cannot cope with the Taliban.

    Because, as one of the classics said, only that territory will be ours where the boot of our infantryman steps.
  • KVU-NSVD
    KVU-NSVD 5 October 2020 12: 59
    +5
    Nagorno-Karabakh. Side tactics
    What a loud title of a note on the topic - "Azerbaijani drones rule, and therefore the Armenians are kirdyk"
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 5 October 2020 15: 34
      +3
      Yes, everyone understands that the Karabakh Armed Forces, like the Armenian kirdyk - drones will soon disable all equipment and air defense if it continues at such a pace as it is now.
  • Selevc
    Selevc 5 October 2020 13: 01
    +3
    There is one geographic feature of the conflict - the territory of hostilities is almost completely bare, treeless hilly or mountainous terrain - from each hill you can see around for kilometers !!!
    In such conditions, any more or less large equipment is an ideal target for air strikes !!! Therefore, in such conditions, a particularly careful masking of positions is needed - with this, the Armenians clearly have problems ...

    Today, in any modern military conflict, a relatively new type of recording the results of the use of weapons is especially effective and widely practiced - shooting from cameras of drones and unmanned aerial vehicles.
    In fact, drone shooting has been practiced since the days of Desert Storm - the network is already 30 years old !!! And it's just amazing how unmanned technologies take a hard and long time to take root in Russia !!!
    1. Pilat2009
      Pilat2009 5 October 2020 13: 37
      +1
      Quote: Selevc
      There is one geographic feature of the conflict - the territory of hostilities is almost completely bare, treeless hilly or mountainous terrain - from each hill you can see around for kilometers !!!
      In such conditions, any more or less large equipment is an ideal target for air strikes !!! Therefore, in such conditions, a particularly careful masking of positions is needed - with this, the Armenians clearly have problems ...

      Today, in any modern military conflict, a relatively new type of recording the results of the use of weapons is especially effective and widely practiced - shooting from cameras of drones and unmanned aerial vehicles.
      In fact, drone shooting has been practiced since the days of Desert Storm - the network is already 30 years old !!! And it's just amazing how unmanned technologies take a hard and long time to take root in Russia !!!

      It seems to me that we can start shooting now. And not only representatives of the generals
    2. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 5 October 2020 14: 58
      0
      Drones - Since 1982, Arab-Israeli War in Lebanon
    3. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 5 October 2020 17: 44
      +1
      Quote: Selevc
      years !!! And it's just amazing how unmanned technologies take a hard and long time to take root in Russia !!!

      We lost 10 years during building democracy... We lost another 8 years while the army team was trying to get something from the traditional military-industrial complex, which at an accelerated pace was trying to get the army into the turned crafts of the 80s (the notorious "Tipchak"). A lot of bad things can be said about the furniture maker, but it was with him that the army began to receive normal UAVs, and not tactical monsters with line cameras, with a range of 50 km, located on four Kamaz trucks.
    4. Florian geyer
      Florian geyer 5 October 2020 21: 12
      +3
      Now the fighting is being conducted in flat terrain, which only emphasizes the helplessness of the Azerbaijani troops. In addition to the availability of funds, weapons, you also need the ability to use them.
  • Dmitry V.
    Dmitry V. 5 October 2020 13: 08
    +1
    It is noticeable that the technique in caponiers and in positions is open, without disguise


    The Armenian military was preparing for the last war ... or rather, not preparing.
    It is no secret that Azerbaijan was preparing for the war ahead of time, the supply of weapons cannot be hidden.
    And not to take countermeasures in advance is gullibility.
    The defeat of the Armenian air defense and convoys still on the march - before the approach to the deployment areas, suggests that with analysts in the Armenian army, everything is very bad.

    Again, the outcome will be decided by the blood and courage of individual fighters, and as a single mechanism, the Armenian army does not function.
    1. Feliks m
      Feliks m 5 October 2020 13: 17
      +2
      And the camouflage mesh is also very bad.
      1. Dmitry V.
        Dmitry V. 6 October 2020 09: 22
        0
        A camouflage net will not save you from a thermal imager.
        Only a large number of false targets (inflatable with heat generators, corner reflectors + camouflage net) can reduce the damage to real tanks.
        For one tank, there should be 3-4 such LCs, then it will be difficult for the enemy to select targets.
    2. DED_peer_DED
      DED_peer_DED 5 October 2020 14: 06
      +1
      Quote: Dmitry Vladimirovich
      And not to take countermeasures in advance is gullibility.

      There is such a concept: "Armenian version".
      This means making a mess, poor quality, ill-conceived, cost-effective and, most importantly, as cheaply as possible.
    3. Florian geyer
      Florian geyer 5 October 2020 21: 14
      +3
      Amazing nonsense. The NKR army is fighting competently and confidently. In contrast to the stupid and uncoordinated attacks of the Azerbaijanis, who are shot like in a shooting range, without significant damage to the defenders
  • Andylw
    Andylw 5 October 2020 13: 10
    -3
    A very instructive war for the Russian Federation.
    Armenian Armed Forces - tracing paper from the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation
    The armament is similar.
    The devil-may-care attitude of the RF Ministry of Defense to UAVs and modern methods of warfare.
    In terms of equipping drone UAVs, the Russian Federation loses not only to Israel and the United States, but also to Turkey, Iran and Azerbaijan.
    Our armed forces live by the standards of the Cold War armies.
    Now these tanks, MLRS, arrows, etc. are just targets in the shooting range ...
    The vaunted electronic warfare repellent is destroyed by the UAVs they are called upon to fight ...
    We're not ready again ...
    A shame.
    1. Airdefense
      Airdefense 5 October 2020 13: 38
      +4
      Again, some unhealthy attraction to the UAV. And in Russia they are also used in Syria, but only for reconnaissance and adjusting artillery, as for the drums in Russia, they decided not to waste time on any Bayraktar TB2 with a carrying capacity of 55 kg and a maximum speed of 220 km / h, but they immediately saw the S-70, carrying capacity from 2.5 to 8 tons according to various sources and a cruising speed of 1400-1000 km / h. I don’t know what will happen, I hope they will be able to do and adopt it.
      1. Andylw
        Andylw 5 October 2020 13: 58
        +1
        Unfortunately, there are a lot of people like you in Russia who do not understand the difference between different types of UAVs, their purpose and tactics of use ...
        and this makes it even sadder (((
        1. Airdefense
          Airdefense 5 October 2020 14: 07
          +7
          I do not insist that you have a lot of experience in using UAVs in combat operations, I just remember how the "all-props" said that all Assad was "finished" after the first days of Turkish UAVs in Idlib. And now, it is very reminiscent of boxing, as soon as the avenue effectively knocks out the noumenon, thousands of people shout that this new “alltimer” has come.
          Moreover, you probably know that the vaunted Repellent was probably damaged by artillery fire, and then finished off by a drone, but for some reason squeak in a different context.

          And what do you want from Russia now, I repeat, Russia is using UAVs for reconnaissance and adjusting artillery fire, for highlighting targets. Russia has no strike drones in service, work is underway, and so far Russia is coping with "conventional" aviation.
          1. Andylw
            Andylw 5 October 2020 14: 45
            -3
            we have been working for 10 years already, but things are still there.
            and in the states, shock drones have been in service for 30 years.
            And yet, is it really incomprehensible that you can drive a Su-200 with bombs over 34 km to destroy a jeep with barmaley, or you can launch a drone that will patrol the entire area for a day and, if necessary, strike.
            There is a difference?
            The whole world has already seen it and took measures to equip it with shock UAVs.
            except for the RF Ministry of Defense
            1. Airdefense
              Airdefense 5 October 2020 14: 53
              0
              And yet, is it really incomprehensible that you can drive a Su-200 with bombs over 34 km to destroy a jeep with barmaley, or you can launch a drone that will patrol the entire area for a day and, if necessary, strike.

              I agree, the only question is whether the pursuit of one jeep arises more often, or the need for heavy airstrikes, judging by Russia's actions in Syria, the latter arises more often.
              Once again, I am not against drones and I think that Russia also needs shock drones, I just do not share the cries of "ah ah, everything is lost." What exactly is missing, Russia does not know how to shoot down a UAV, yes no, it does, and it shot down in Idlib and defends its base in Syria.
              Well, the future I see just for the UAV, when algorithms for collective control of a swarm of drones will be worked out, and one operator will control dozens of drones, but everyone, including Russia, is working on this.
              1. Andylw
                Andylw 5 October 2020 15: 01
                -1
                the only question is what more often there is a pursuit of one jeep, or the need for heavy air strikes

                footage of the destruction of howitzers, tanks and MLRS, Strela launchers in Karabakh - are they heavy air strikes? or from the jeep chase category?
                1. Airdefense
                  Airdefense 5 October 2020 15: 09
                  +5
                  Well, something like this


                  there is still such
                  1. Andylw
                    Andylw 5 October 2020 15: 25
                    -3
                    funny. What is the range of artillery? 100 km?
                    And then what?
                    Raise the Su-34?
                    So, are the shots of the destruction of howitzers, tanks and MLRS, Strela launchers in Karabakh heavy air strikes? or from the jeep chase category?
                    1. Airdefense
                      Airdefense 5 October 2020 15: 29
                      0
                      So, are the shots of the destruction of howitzers, tanks and MLRS, Strela launchers in Karabakh heavy air strikes? or from the jeep chase category?

                      No why is it quite work for a UAV.
                      But I repeat, Russia, in the current doctrine, is coping with the set goals for a reasonable price. The shock UAVs will be finished, they will be used whenever possible.
                      1. Andylw
                        Andylw 5 October 2020 15: 37
                        -2
                        about a reasonable price - debatable. It is always more expensive to hit with aircraft.
                        And so yes. waiting for the MO to grow wiser and finally start to itch
                      2. Airdefense
                        Airdefense 5 October 2020 15: 49
                        +3
                        It is always more expensive to hit with aircraft.
                        It depends on whom, in Idlib, the "unknown" aircraft dropped the KAB-500 on the Turkish headquarters, killing several dozen Turkish officers.

                        And so yes. waiting for the MO to grow wiser and finally start to itch

                        Yes, they itch, do not panic ahead of time.
                      3. Andylw
                        Andylw 5 October 2020 15: 55
                        -1
                        "It depends on whom, in Idlib, the" unknown "aircraft dropped the KAB-500 on the Turkish headquarters, killing several dozen Turkish officers."
                        this is a task for a drone.
                      4. Airdefense
                        Airdefense 5 October 2020 21: 47
                        -1
                        The task may be for UAVs, but there are not so many of them that can carry comparable missiles / bombs with the KAB-500, and their flight is not much cheaper than conventional aviation.
  • Oquzyurd
    Oquzyurd 5 October 2020 20: 50
    +1
    Yesterday, in the south, the Armenians, realizing that shock drones would beat them, (several were already destroyed nearby) demonstratively abandoned tanks and military vehicles, skidded from the battlefield on foot. As a result, they left 3 units. undamaged T-72 and 11 pcs. Ural cars. The UAV not only hits the technique, it hits the psyche, the spirit.
  • Dmitry V.
    Dmitry V. 6 October 2020 09: 33
    0
    Quote: Airdefense
    and they immediately saw the S-70, the carrying capacity is from 2.5 to 8 tons according to various sources and the cruising speed is 1400-1000 km / h. I don't know what will turn out


    The result is an expensive heavy drone, as vulnerable to air defense as a conventional inexpensive one.
    In the end, the winner is the one who produces the most inexpensive and efficient UAVs.

    This war shows a clear division: stealth drones detect targets and cheap barrage kamikaze drones are aimed at them, which achieves a high efficiency of destruction of fire weapons.
    The defeat of the reconnaissance drone should not lead to the curtailment of the fire effect in the area - for this there should be a double triple detachment of inexpensive reconnaissance drones, providing reconnaissance actions to the depth of the enemy's defense / offensive
  • Vitaly Tsymbal
    Vitaly Tsymbal 5 October 2020 14: 47
    0
    Who's the shame? Commentators who know nothing about military affairs, but who are specialists in slogans and labeling? Our RUSSIAN army all over the world is recognized as one of the UNPROPLEABLE, and after playing computer shooters, it screams hysterically at the whole IN - we are not ready again ... shame !!! You first decipher who you mean by the word "We".
    1. Andylw
      Andylw 5 October 2020 15: 15
      -5
      who, having played computer shooters, hysterically shouts at the entire VO - we are not ready again

      those Armenians who got a bomb from a drone in the turret of the tank will probably disagree with you
      by the way, Budyonny and Voroshilov reported to Stalin in 1941 that "Our RUSSIAN (Red) army is recognized throughout the world as one of the UNFORCEABLE" and that our cavalry lava will chop all enemies into cabbage ... but it turned out not at all like this
      1. Vitaly Tsymbal
        Vitaly Tsymbal 5 October 2020 15: 37
        +6
        In the summer of 1984, a shot from an RPG flew to our ZIL 130 in the Herat greenery, but luckily the spirit missed ours, with the driver, since the second shot was not allowed to fire the government army's sarboses by quickly opening fire from a mortar ... but having arrived at the DP to the north Herat, we found that we had a punctured wheel and 4 bullet holes in the side on the body ... So what an Armenian or Azerbaijani tanker feels when a shot is fired at him, I know - he does not feel anything, everything happens so quickly that you don't even get scared you have time ... That is why I am for the fact that this war in Karabakh would end. And the overgrown youths would be better off in the comments giving ratings to beauties from various "playboys", and not the army that they have no idea about !!!
        1. Andylw
          Andylw 5 October 2020 15: 41
          -4
          :)))
          shot from an RPG ....))) from what distance?
          You are shown footage of drone strikes in the rear of the Armenian troops! what, don't you see the difference ????
          but you have nothing to say about the combat readiness level of 1941
      2. Vadim237
        Vadim237 5 October 2020 15: 44
        +1
        Those Armenians who received a bomb from a drone in the turret of the tank will probably disagree with you, "You don't compare their air defense with ours, it is modern and unified, but they have fragmented and even outdated radars from the 80s, like missiles to all complexes and in fact the absence of the Air Defense Forces - for this, shock drones whose maximum speed does not exceed 300 kilometers per hour and hammer their equipment round the clock for the seventh day in a row.
        1. Andylw
          Andylw 5 October 2020 16: 03
          -3
          I'm afraid to upset you, but relatively modern we have only long-range air defense - S-300V3 + ​​S-400 covering strategic objects. Our military air defense is still mostly old Torah, Buki and Tunguska. There are few shells, Tor-M2 and Buk-M3 too ... New deliveries are extremely limited
          1. huntsman650
            huntsman650 5 October 2020 22: 29
            +2
            Cons from urapatriots))). Unfortunately this is so, they scored about the wasps and memory of the troops.
          2. Vitaly Tsymbal
            Vitaly Tsymbal 6 October 2020 08: 28
            +1
            Dear, are you serving in the General Staff of the Russian Federation? When was the last time you were in a military unit? Carry, excuse the expression, nonsense ... After reading the nonsense from Yandex Zen ... Speaking of deliveries - where did you get this information? And for whom is it not enough? A week ago I was in a military unit, there are still a lot of old models - especially from small arms, but for others, a lot has been updated since 2008. And if you declare something, then speak with facts and figures, and not with slogans like - how bad everything is.
      3. Nagaibak
        Nagaibak 5 October 2020 16: 41
        0
        AndyLW "By the way, Budyonny and Voroshilov reported to Stalin in 1941 that" Our RUSSIAN (Red) army is recognized throughout the world as one of the UNFORABLE "and that our cavalry lava will chop all enemies into cabbage ... but it turned out not at all."
        1. What did they report there?))) This is another myth. Read Stalin's speech following the Finnish war. It says it all. What should be the army and so on.
        2. The Soviet cavalry, especially in 41-42, showed itself brilliantly. Then, of course, too. But in these years the cavalry was often the only mobile formations. The cavalry corps had 100 guns, so you wrote about checkers in vain.)))) Although they were used to cut the Germans ...
        1. Andylw
          Andylw 5 October 2020 16: 52
          -5
          This is another myth

          yes of course a myth!
          and, of course, everyone showed themselves brilliantly in 41!
          and the performances were all correct.
          and the cavalry's guns were heaps!
          and the red army was the strongest in the world from the taiga to the British seas!
          but only the Germans reached Moscow in 3 months ...
          thanks to such uryakalka
          1. Alexey RA
            Alexey RA 5 October 2020 18: 29
            +4
            Quote: AndyLW
            yes of course a myth!

            Yes, a myth. After the Soviet-Finnish war, a sobering up came in the heads of the commanders - and more or less sane reports went up. The same reports of the mechanized corps commanders about the formations entrusted to them are replete with phrases "military unit such and such is not ready." Fedorenko's summary report of June 1941 in general paints an apocalyptic picture of the shortage of everything and everything - from tanks and cars to tires.
            It was not for nothing that in the winter of 1941, the design and layout of the Rzhev-Vyazemsky border was started. smile
            Quote: AndyLW
            and the red army was the strongest in the world from the taiga to the British seas!

            Only the political instructors have it left. And then Mekhlis knocked on their hat in 1940:
            The thesis about the invincibility of our Red Army was widely propagated in our country, but history does not know invincible armies. The wars of the past show us that even armies that have won brilliant victories for decades, in certain cases not only suffered setbacks and defeats, but even completely scattered and ceased to exist. Such a fate, for example, befell Napoleon's army, which for nearly two decades kept Europe under the soldier’s boot. You can also refer to the Japanese army, which was twice beaten by our Red Army in separate sections.
            War is an equation with many unknowns; this alone refutes the invincibility thesis. The army, of course, needs to be educated so that it is confident in its strength. The army needs to instill a spirit of confidence in its power, but not in the sense of boasting. Bragging about invincibility hurts the army. Meanwhile, in the conditions of the Red Army and in the entire system of propaganda and agitation, a false understanding of the invincibility of the Red Army found the widest reflection. Thus, the draft Field Manual of 1939 directly indicates that the Red Army "... exists as an invincible, all-crushing force. This is how it is, this is how it will always be."

            ... that the laws of strategy and tactics are virtually neglected. Organized retreats, organized retreats in certain areas began to be considered a shame. The infantry combat manual directly orients the commanders towards senseless sacrifices, pointing out that "no losses can force a company to stop performing a combat mission, even if only a few people remain in it" (BUP-40, Part II, p. 7).
            Obviously, the theory of indiscriminate offensives must be resolutely and quickly put to an end, because it leads to arrogance, cap-hatred and one-sidedness in the preparation of the army.
            1. Andylw
              Andylw 5 October 2020 18: 33
              -4
              what wonderful talks ...
              well, just like now in MO ...
              but reported back then at 41 before the battle of Moscow
              and now?
          2. Nagaibak
            Nagaibak 5 October 2020 18: 54
            +2
            AndyLW "but only the Germans reached Moscow in 3 months ...
            thanks to such uryakalka. "
            Actually, I wasn't rude to the animal. If you lack knowledge, this is not my problem.
            1. Andylw
              Andylw 5 October 2020 20: 39
              -5
              Actually, the animal I was not rude to you

              only you are rude
              uryakalka is a diagnosis
      4. Niel-le-Calais
        Niel-le-Calais 5 October 2020 17: 26
        -4
        Quote: AndyLW
        By the way, Budyonny and Voroshilov reported to Stalin in 1941 that "Our RUSSIAN (Red) army is recognized throughout the world as one of the UNFORCEABLE" and that our cavalry lava will chop all enemies into cabbage ...

        wow ... Russian ... Stalin ...
        cool of course ... from the category
        Prime Minister of Russia
        Vladimir Putin said that Russia would have won the Great Patriotic War, even if Ukraine had not been part of the Soviet Union. (in original speeches - if separated)
        just because 70% of the losses are the RSFSR ..
        It is interesting what he did, start Hitler with the resources of Ukraine and the B-sii a few hundred kilometers from Moscow with Ukraine in the black, and not wasting resources, strength, and all kinds of partisans on overcoming
        However, this is alternative. RFSR without B-I and the Ukrainian SSR was not the center of power, which Hitler was interested in suppression.
        Despite the capriciousness in the phrase, the USSR and Stalin took into account the trends. And no cavalry can compare with those tanks at least.
      5. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 5 October 2020 18: 08
        +1
        Quote: AndyLW
        By the way, Budyonny and Voroshilov reported to Stalin in 1941 that "Our RUSSIAN (Red) army is recognized throughout the world as one of the UNFORCEABLE" and that our cavalry lava will chop all enemies into cabbage ...

        Voroshilov hardly reported anything in 1941 - the first red officer was expelled from the people's commissars a year before the war, and only his old connections saved him from becoming a Trotskyist saboteur. For the "Act of transfer of the NCO 1940" reads like a ready-made indictment in the case of counter-revolutionary sabotage.
        And Budyonny at about the same time asked stinging questions to the tankers - how are they going to attack if the breakthrough is being shot through by artillery to the full depth? And who and how will organize the supply of the mechanized corps? Along the way, remembering how, during the Polish campaign-1939, he worked as a supply-traffic controller, clearing traffic jams created by the rear of the advancing tankers.
        I had to transport fuel for 5 microns in the air in Belarus (Comrade Kovalev knows). It’s good that there was no one to fight with. On the roads from Novogrudok to Volkovysk, 75 percent of the tanks were due to fuel. The commander said that he can send fuel only on airplanes, and who will organize? The organization of the rear requires knowledgeable people.


        After the SPE with bravura reports, it was somehow tense. Then Pavlov at a meeting at the top will declare that after the Finnish KOVO there are no tank brigades left - "the war has taken away." Then Fedorenko at a meeting of the senior leadership of the Red Army will declare that the equipment is worn out; there are no polygons; for a year, only 6 shells are allocated for the crew, with which it must complete 8 tasks; there is a mess and eyewash in schools:
        As a result of the autumn check, they also received unsatisfactory results in their specialty. When checking, they say: "Explain the tank", and the head of the school suggests: "Check the crawling and hand-to-hand combat, he will do everything for you." It turned out that the summer crawled, and then the material part of the machines and their main specialty do not know.

        And behind him Novikov pleases the same senior management team with a statement that in the summer period, starting from July, and sometimes from June, the supply of gasoline stops, parts of them switch to starvation rations, because of this, flights are curtailed in the best months for flights (June, July, August).

        However, the IVS itself stated that the Red Army had not fought a modern war before the SFV and that the USSR did not have a modern army.
    2. Florian geyer
      Florian geyer 5 October 2020 21: 24
      +2
      Shame on the Azerbaijani command, which spat on the preparation of troops for battle, started this war, an offensive in bulk, indecisive attacks of crowds of infantry, uncoordinated actions of tanks and artillery. Just sent troops to the slaughter. Another shame is that in a week they, having superiority in forces and means, were not able to overcome even the forefront of the NKR defense.

      While their opponents are clearly better prepared in all respects, they have worked out interaction and are competently conducting a combined-arms battle, stopping the offensive of superior forces relying on ordinary field defenders and competent use of artillery.
    3. Pilat2009
      Pilat2009 6 October 2020 06: 58
      -1
      Quote: Vitaliy Tsymbal
      Who's the shame? Commentators who know nothing about military affairs, but who are specialists in slogans and labeling? Our RUSSIAN army all over the world is recognized as one of the UNPROPLEABLE, and after playing computer shooters, it screams hysterically at the whole IN - we are not ready again ... shame !!! You first decipher who you mean by the word "We".

      You can admit anything on the Internet. In Syria, the aviation worked without the opposition of modern air defense and electronic warfare, ground operations were also not particularly carried out. Armenians, too, probably considered their army one of the most combat-ready.
  • Sergei Sovetkin
    5 October 2020 18: 06
    -3
    You are absolutely right. The technological lag of the Russian military-industrial complex even from Turkey is already critical. And there is little chance to get close. Moreover, they will not stop to wait for us.
    1. Oquzyurd
      Oquzyurd 5 October 2020 21: 02
      +3
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4aRdREbq7A&t=59s
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9XI_3NAg4oo
      These two drones have a new level in terms of armament, carrying capacity and flight parameters.
    2. OgnennyiKotik
      OgnennyiKotik 6 October 2020 01: 47
      -1
      36 unmanned systems from nothing.
  • Nastia makarova
    Nastia makarova 9 October 2020 14: 37
    -5
    cry more, you have in ukraine and build drones
  • TAMBU
    TAMBU 5 October 2020 13: 42
    -1
    There are footage of the latest Russian electronic warfare "Repellent" system, probably destroyed by a kamikaze drone, intended to suppress small UAVs.

    sadness ...
    1. DED_peer_DED
      DED_peer_DED 5 October 2020 14: 10
      +1
      Quote: TAMBU
      sadness ...

      This "sadness" confirms nothing and refutes nothing. Life in general is a strange thing. Those who have lived in this life understand this.
      And vice versa...
      1. TAMBU
        TAMBU 5 October 2020 17: 13
        -2
        buy a shovel with which you cannot dig sand on a children's beach ... and then with a smart face you can talk over its remains about who understands what in this life ...
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    1. DED_peer_DED
      DED_peer_DED 5 October 2020 14: 19
      +3
      Quote: Svidetel
      Also, there is no goal to destroy the civilian population.

      Are Stepanokert the Armenians, too, are they firing themselves?
      Everything there is "white and fluffy", there is nowhere to put samples. Both sides. That is why this war will not be called the "Great Patriotic War ...."
      1. Svidetel
        Svidetel 5 October 2020 14: 31
        -3
        Namesake, have you seen footage of Armenians from Stepanakert? Burned cars, pierced with bullets! Not a single damaged building, not a single crater! Look at the footage of the shelling of Ganja, the Armenians are shooting at the children! https://minval.az/news/124039361 They have nothing human left! Although .... what to expect from Nzhdeh's fans ... they erect monuments to him, and in Russia they are trying to turn their policy https://www.kuban.kp.ru/daily/26711.5/3735485/
        1. Florian geyer
          Florian geyer 5 October 2020 21: 28
          +4
          We saw a video from a security camera, with footage of cluster munition detonation over residential areas of Stepanakert. Images and videos of destroyed houses.

          On the other hand, the cowardly panic in Ganja amused. We need more shelling there
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  • alpamys
    alpamys 5 October 2020 14: 33
    -5
    There is footage of the latest Russian electronic warfare "Repellent" system, which was probably destroyed by a kamikaze drone, intended to suppress small UAVs


    and stories about those who do not have in the world of analytics and technology in the world break down ... who should be shot with broadcast on ORT
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 5 October 2020 15: 47
      +1
      , "Designed to suppress small UAVs" - The Turkish and Israeli clearly do not belong to them and attack from a great height with guided missiles.
  • Odysseus
    Odysseus 5 October 2020 14: 43
    +9
    Not everything is so rosy for Azerbaijan as the author of the article described.
    1) Azerbaijan, even with the support of Turkey, is far from the United States with the coalition in 1991. They will not crush the will to resist by bombing alone.
    2) Karabakh is not Kuwait. This is a mountain fortified area that has been prepared for defense for 25 years. It is difficult to take it even for a strong army. In fact, it can be quickly taken either by an army with very good combined arms training and insensitive to losses, such as the DPRK army, or an army with absolute air and technical superiority, such as the United States.
    3) Judging by the videos and facts from the battlefield, the quality of infantry training in Azerbaijan is not impressive, it is lower than the average Soviet motorized rifle division of the 70-80s. Although, of course, much higher than in the mid-90s. They say they are not massaging the offensive, waiting for the enemy to be completely out of the air. But the losses are already quite high.
    4) To conduct intensive hostilities for a long time, ammunition stocks and a repair base are needed. Azerbaijan is doing better in this regard than Armenia, but whether there is enough for a long offensive is a question.
    In a word, they can take Karabakh, but at the cost of very heavy losses and 2-3 months. They will not win the war by drones alone.
    1. Florian geyer
      Florian geyer 5 October 2020 21: 33
      +1
      It is unlikely that they will be able to take Karabakh when Armenians shoot their tanks and infantry like in a shooting range. And they did not even pass the forefront of the Armenian defense in 7 days. Not to mention the fact that the actions of the Azerbaijani infantry and tanks on the battlefield are just a shame, and where their artillery fires is not known at all (in cities and villages or what? Will it help them in battles?)
      1. Sovkovy
        Sovkovy 7 October 2020 19: 33
        0
        Azerbaijani artillery shoots you in the point. Open the New newspaper and read how our artillery got straight to the House of Culture in the city of Shusha, where your leader, a moonshiner, conducted an inoguration a week ago
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          1. Sovkovy
            Sovkovy 7 October 2020 19: 37
            0
            For especially dull Florians, I repeat it a second time. Our shell hit there at a time when there were at least 300 heads of Armenian military.
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  • AntonR7
    AntonR7 5 October 2020 15: 15
    +2
    The question is, are there statistics of destroyed UAVs somewhere? They are not endless for Azerbaijanis, but as you know - money is the nerve of war.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 5 October 2020 15: 54
      +4
      Considering that they have been producing them for a long time themselves and also Turkey and Israel are supplying them even now, it is not worth hoping that Azerbaijan will run out of drones at all. And in addition to UAVs, Azerbaijan has hundreds of Spike ATGMs, including those with the longest-range NLOS modification with a 25-kilometer impact zone, both in the forgotten mode and in the manual and thousands of missiles to them. So all the armored vehicles of Karabakh and Armenia as their air defense systems are in fact doomed.
  • Victorm
    Victorm 5 October 2020 17: 28
    0
    Quote: Airdefense
    Then the question is why the Saudis with technology from the 22nd century cannot cope with the bearded men in shale in Yemen, the same applies to Afghanistan, the United States with the most modern technology cannot cope with the Taliban.
    Guerrilla warfare because. During the day he is a dekhanin (does he resemble anything?), At night a sniper or an ATGM operator, or a grenade launcher.
    The Yemenis have only one load on their feet, these are heavy missile systems used, otherwise they are highly mobile and I repeat this is a guerrilla war. An hour ago, he launched an ATGM, destroying the Saudi checkpoint, and now he is walking in slippers on his bare feet and looking like an ordinary shepherd, what will they do with him? - to destroy the population polls is not an option.
    At one time, the Azerbaijanis did not have a chance for partisan tactics, since the support of the partisans, the local Azerbaijani population, after repeated examples of the massacre of the civilian population organized by the Armenians, left the territory together with the Azerbaijani regular and volunteer units. Now, in turn, the Armenian population will leave the territory together with the fleeing units of the Armenian Armed Forces, no exhortations from the Armenian leadership or guarantees from the Azerbaijani leadership will stop the population fearing retaliation. No population, no support for guerrilla warfare. You don't need to talk about this.

    In the case of the Armenians, bad or not, but this is a regular army. At the first stage, the main task of the Azerbaijani Armed Forces is to destroy the air defense and the command and control system, and only after that the heavy weapons and artillery.
    Speaking about bringing aviation into battle and thereby achieving even greater superiority over the Armenians, one should not forget that the Armenians have a fairly large number of MANPADS. MANPADS have a height limit, but an attempt by the Azerbaijani Air Force, primarily the Su-25 to operate at altitudes inaccessible to MANPADS, will substitute them for air defense systems located outside the occupied territories, on the territory of Armenia itself. As the experience of these 8 days shows, no one prevents the Armenians from hitting MLRS and OTRK from their territory, most likely they will try to shoot down the aircraft of the Azerbaijani Air Force according to the same scheme, but in response Azerbaijan will destroy the air defense systems that have discovered themselves in this way. In theory, it would be necessary to destroy everything in advance, since they are within reach, but this is impossible, since the expansion of the conflict until the liberation of the occupied lands is unprofitable for Azerbaijan itself. It is necessary to preserve the potential of the Air Force for more for the future, if it is applied, it will be very limited to avoid losses.

    Only 8 days of the war, the damage to the enemy has already been significant, including judging by the retaliatory actions.
    The units will soon leave the relatively accessible terrain on difficult terrain - there are mountains and mountains. A large number of Mi-8 / -17s were purchased, as we understand not in vain. Here, the Azerbaijani Armed Forces will again have an advantage and a significant one, plus to the reconnaissance and strike UAVs and artillery already involved. The Armenians cannot deploy heavy weapons in the mountains, first of all it concerns artillery and large-caliber MLRS, the existing one is destroyed. The number of roads and mountain paths suitable for transporting ammunition, the transfer of troops is limited, and the Armenian Armed Forces will soon be simply unable to provide them with air defense. They cannot provide aviation supplies, the transfer of troops and evacuation, and there is no such amount of equipment.
    We all understand how it will end ...

    There was a lot of talk about blitzkrieg, they are inappropriate, there were no and there are no conditions for a blitzkrieg in the current situation. Those armored units that could advance where the terrain allowed it, understandably attacked, but they are not a sign of a blitzkrieg or such ideas.

    Armenia's resources are limited, in recent years all of its authorities relied more on supplies from Russia and could really count on them being a loyal ally, therefore they practically did not develop their own military-industrial complex, preferring to replenish their own bank accounts and arrange their life abroad. The current authorities cultivating anti-Russian sentiments even now have no grounds for such hopes. So the question of Karabakh and its liberation with minimal losses is the question of how quickly the reserves of Armenia will be exhausted.
    1. Florian geyer
      Florian geyer 5 October 2020 21: 37
      +2
      Namely, that the Armenians have no regular army. And the Azerbaijanis, judging by their actions, have a crowd of Basmachi dressed in camouflage and armed with modern weapons. If the main army of Armenia, and not only the NKR, enters into action, the Azerbaijanis have no chance
    2. Airdefense
      Airdefense 6 October 2020 09: 32
      -1
      Guerrilla warfare because. During the day he is a dekhanin (does he resemble anything?), At night a sniper or an ATGM operator, or a grenade launcher.

      In Yemen, of course, there are elements of guerrilla warfare, but the main battles and defeats to the Saudis were "on a collision course."
      In fact, the Houthis are far from bearded in shale and I even have used a lot of things in armament, but all the difference in technological equipment is even greater than that of Armenia and Azerbaijan.
      And with regard to Afghanistan, it is also difficult to blame everything on guerrilla warfare, if the Taliban controls almost half of Afghanistan's territory.
  • Old26
    Old26 5 October 2020 19: 42
    +1
    Quote: AndyLW
    The devil-may-care attitude of the RF Ministry of Defense to UAVs and modern methods of warfare.

    Well, the attitude towards UAVs in the Soviet (Russian) army cannot be called disdainful, they were a very long time ago. True, it is very large in comparison with modern ones, but nothing can be done about it, different times, different tasks.
    Misunderstanding? Maybe. The lack of professionalism of the leadership of the Ministry of Defense at a certain time - too. Funding problems are another problem. But the situation is leveling out, slowly, hard, but nevertheless

    Quote: AndyLW
    In terms of equipping drone UAVs, the Russian Federation loses not only to Israel and the United States, but also to Turkey, Iran and Azerbaijan.

    Well, by quantity, maybe. But we develop ourselves, but Azerbaijani ones are often purchased. And equipping an army of 70 thousand people with an air force of slightly less than 8000 is much easier than an army like that of Russia.
  • ashot1973
    ashot1973 5 October 2020 20: 03
    0
    Armenia has an army of the XX century, while Azerbaijan has an army of XXI. Hence the difference in battle tactics.
    a feeling that Sovetkin is an Azerbaijani ... Bravo, why are they not hiring him for the service of the Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of Az. ??? soldier
  • APASUS
    APASUS 5 October 2020 20: 03
    +1
    Here the economic component enters the war, Baku takes it through the economy and finances. The most real battles should take place in 30-40 days. When there is a real advantage, but for now it's like shooting at a shooting range.
  • Boris ⁣ Shaver
    Boris ⁣ Shaver 5 October 2020 20: 17
    +1
    The goal of the Azerbaijani army is to almost completely deprive the Armenian Armed Forces of military equipment and material and technical resources and the ability to replenish them

    The Azerbaijani columns burnt out on the march indicate that this is the maximum "plan B". If Azerbaijan was originally going to work remotely on individual targets of the Armenians, it would not have pulled armored vehicles into the territory of "remote" work and it would not have burned there. Consumables, like mercenaries from Syria, are also not stocked up for remote battles.
    So far, it is more likely that with the help of "21st century means" the Azerbaijanis tried to carry out some kind of artillery preparation before the offensives, and then, with their use, support the offensive of their own completely ground units. Since there is nothing to say about the successes of the Azerbaijani "earthly" troops, even their propaganda, it can be stated as a fact that the "artillery preparation" and "support" "by means of the 21st century" were carried out unsatisfactorily. Now the Azerbaijani side has to hastily stock up not only with additional amounts of "funds of the 21st century" (usually, stocks for a well-thought-out operation are prepared in advance, and not bought in addition along the way - otherwise, the entire success of your operation depends on the favor of the seller, who can and to inflate prices with such a demand), but it is also banal with units from nusra, and at the same time pretend that this was intended.
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  • Sovkovy
    Sovkovy 5 October 2020 20: 38
    +1
    I just watched a video from the Armenian side where a two-story hospital is filled with wounded soldiers. There is blood and screams everywhere, an Armenian is filming. The fighters are not young, about 40-45 years old. They lie on the floor, on the stairs, roll around on benches in the corridor. One nurse seems to be visible, she lost her head, screaming .. The horror is shorter.
    I'll post it here if it works.
    I know that many Russians will not like this, but I will still share information)
    1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
      Boris ⁣ Shaver 5 October 2020 21: 19
      +2
      Quote: Scoop
      I will still share information)

      Better share the information, where were those Azerbaijani soldiers buried, in whose place they are hastily recruiting volunteers from Syria? Who are they? Where are they? Didn't the heroes deserve to be at least humanly buried? And that was written off as an expense, and in their place the foreigners are called. Do you have this information? Or do you care about your "heroes"?
    2. Pilat2009
      Pilat2009 6 October 2020 07: 37
      0
      Quote: Scoop
      I just watched a video from the Armenian side where a two-story hospital is filled with wounded soldiers. There is blood and screams everywhere, an Armenian is filming. The fighters are not young, about 40-45 years old. They lie on the floor, on the stairs, roll around on benches in the corridor. One nurse seems to be visible, she lost her head, screaming .. The horror is shorter.
      I'll post it here if it works.
      I know that many Russians will not like this, but I will still share information)

      Why is an Armenian filming and posting a video of the hospital? Only to raise morale. It's like they filmed and laid out a pile of corpses in the morgue in Donbas. Such comrades need to be brought before a tribunal. By the way, what about the phones on the front line, missiles are normally targeted at them?
  • Sovkovy
    Sovkovy 5 October 2020 20: 52
    -2
    https://daytube.az/videos/97448/
    Ara, if you start a war, this time we will stop in Baku
  • chingachguc
    chingachguc 5 October 2020 21: 16
    +1
    Azerbaijan also has an army of the XNUMXth century. with modern elements ... the field army is nothing.
    1. Florian geyer
      Florian geyer 5 October 2020 21: 41
      +3
      And for some reason they did not learn how to use it correctly and the words "interaction of tanks, artillery and infantry" have never been heard at all. None of the videos show the work of Azerbaijani artillery. Where is she shooting?
  • Pavel57
    Pavel57 5 October 2020 21: 25
    0
    Quote: Ragnar Lothbrok
    It is important who will have more determination.

    The Boers were determined enough, but the British had a more modern army.
    1. Pilat2009
      Pilat2009 6 October 2020 07: 40
      0
      Quote: Pavel57
      Quote: Ragnar Lothbrok
      It is important who will have more determination.

      The Boers were determined enough, but the British had a more modern army.

      Boer families were put in concentration camps. And they realized that it is better to live peacefully than nothing
  • Victorm
    Victorm 6 October 2020 11: 18
    -2
    Quote: Florian Geyer
    Namely, that the Armenians have no regular army. And the Azerbaijanis, judging by their actions, have a crowd of Basmachi dressed in camouflage and armed with modern weapons. If the main army of Armenia, and not only the NKR, enters into action, the Azerbaijanis have no chance
    Um, it’s not known what facts you have to draw such conclusions, FACTS, and not the erotic fantasies of Shushanochka and her colleague who has turned pale from her face, say the opposite, namely.

    Think about it, in 8 (!!!) days the Azerbaijani army liberated significant territories, and this is where the enemy held the defense for 26 (!!!) years.

    I would like to look at any other army in the same conditions - to attack and it is not easy to attack, but to attack an enemy who has been preparing the defense for two and a half decades, and even in conditions of the terrain favorable for organizing the defense. And this despite the fact that the Armed Forces of Azerbaijan and the Armed Forces of Armenia have practically equal numbers and quantities of heavy weapons. I understand the sincere desire to belittle the victory of Azerbaijan, how everyone loves his country and his people, everyone is bitter to see a sad end. I understand because I myself and my people have experienced this.
    Having won the first war due to the internecine strife in Azerbaijan, the struggle for power which almost ended in a civil war, the Armenians, who in many of their "glorious operations" did not meet with resistance, except for a couple of district police officers, believed in some mythical "high the spirit of the Armenian warrior ". An elementary thought did not enter the heads of people, that the Armenian warrior was beaten by everyone and always, and everywhere, otherwise the Armenians would not have lost their statehood, that Armenia and the Armenian people should not rattle with weapons, but live peacefully, building good-neighborly relations with all countries in the region, good security is provided by Russia.
    While the Armenian population listened to tales about the "Aliyev clan", "corruption in Azerbaijan" - Robert Kocharian and Serzh Sargsyan DEPORTED Armenia, which is why the Armenian army found itself in such a terrible situation. Do you think the people in Baku did not know the anecdote:
    - Ara why not marry?
    - Sashik will say share ...
    Then the Armenians believed in the tales of Pashinyan's venal mongrel, who is elementary T-U-P-O-Y, and so much so that he was unable to see the obvious that in that situation and in the position in which Armenia was when he came to power, and also Once again, the country was simply not even plundered, but PLAINED, it seems that Kocharyan and Sargsyan are not Armenians, but some kind of alien princelings with a squad. Not understanding even the obvious, this Pashinyan got involved in spoiling relations with Russia, the ONLY guarantor of Armenia's simple existence, since in addition to military protection, Russia restored all strategic sectors of the economy, primarily the fuel and energy complex (FEC), Pashinyan, being an idiot, climbed to spoil relations with Azerbaijan , who at that time, while the Armenians were thieves in the person of Kocharyan and Saghsyan, was building and developing not only the economy, but also the armed forces and the military-industrial complex. To what extent do you have to be a moron to start teasing a state, on whose side all the formalities of international law, and only whose defense budget has exceeded the ENTIRE budget of Armenia in recent years? !! ​​...

    The unhappy Armenian people ... our people were also deceived in their time, we can understand this, we experienced exactly the same when the same stupid people like Pashinyan who spoke beautiful words were sitting in the president's chair, when the same petty crooks like Robert Kocharian and Serge Sargsyan played cards in the evenings, betting on earrings and wedding rings that people carried to the defense fund.
    We changed our minds, sober up from fairy tales, and the Armenians have only two ways, either to sober up, or to become again used as a scrap of toilet paper. Apparently, the Armenians are now once again and using the situation when Armenia is lying on the sidelines naked and beaten, "patriot" Robert Kocharian will take advantage of the second round.

    Therefore, facts and only facts, and not blah blah and Shushanochka's tales ...
    1. Moskovit
      Moskovit 6 October 2020 18: 06
      0
      Seeing mountains of Azerbaijani corpses and tanks flying up into the air, your optimism seems a bit exaggerated. To put it mildly. But in one thing you are right. In the current difficult situation at the front, the Armenians are largely to blame themselves.
  • RuslanNN
    RuslanNN 6 October 2020 13: 27
    +1
    Azerbaijan's tactics are to disable the enemy's equipment and fortified points as much as possible, exhaust the enemy, inflict as much damage on him as possible, and deprive him of supplies. Until the polling stations are destroyed and the equipment does not move forward, they take care of the fighters. They are well aware that the enemy's defenses, which have been fortified for almost 30 years, cannot be easily taken.
  • xomaNN
    xomaNN 6 October 2020 22: 18
    0
    "Well, did your Poles help you?" (from the Gogol story lol
    I'm talking about today's Armenian Prez Pashinyan. He abruptly two years ago spat on GDP, Russia and decided to look for the main patrons in the West. But when it got hot, it became clear to him that "for this" the West would not give anything, and they would not send their battalions into the trenches of Karabakh. Then again, over and over again, the GDP calls.
  • tochila
    tochila 8 October 2020 18: 35
    0
    Yes, there are such mountains with forests that you can fight partisans for years !!!! No drones are enough to track each RDG!
  • Comrade Kim
    Comrade Kim 9 October 2020 10: 26
    0
    Quote: Scoop
    I just watched a video from the Armenian side where a two-story hospital is filled with wounded soldiers. There is blood and screams everywhere, an Armenian is filming. The fighters are not young, about 40-45 years old. They lie on the floor, on the stairs, roll around on benches in the corridor. One nurse seems to be visible, she lost her head, screaming .. The horror is shorter.
    I'll post it here if it works.
    I know that many Russians will not like this, but I will still share information)


    Why only Russian?
    Any normal person will not be happy about it.
    In general, in war, the sooner you switch over, the better. The corpses and the screams of the wounded greatly demotivate the young fighters.

    Of course the resources of Azr. more Arm. And the help of the Janissary advisors is very essential.
    An important role will be played by the determination to "go all the way", or to finish the Rubicon if you like.
    The tactical victory will be won by the side that decides to strike at the metropolitan capitals of Yevrevan or Baku.
  • Sergei Sovetkin
    18 October 2020 23: 39
    0
    Well, gentlemen hunting experts2 and other cool military men with the experience of Afgan, Chechnya and where else did you gain your military skills, in general, everyone who came running at me here for my analysis and forecast of the course and outcome of battles between Armenian and Azerbaijani troops, we can already sum up and admit that I was absolutely right. But you flew with your pictures of the apocalypse for the Azerbaijanis, who, like, are not warriors, and in the mountains of Karabakh skilful and staunch Armenian soldiers will arrange a massacre for them. Everything turns out exactly the opposite. I look forward to your recognition as an honor of having and, as it were, officers of your mistakes in disputes with me, Although, what I mean ... What an honor ...