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Experts: The statements of Yerevan and Baku about the losses for the week are such that they "approach the Afghani"

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Representative of the Azerbaijani Presidential Administration Hikmet Hajiyev said at today's briefing that the head of the unrecognized Nagorno-Karabakh Republic (NKR) Arayik Harutyunyan was seriously wounded during a visit to the front line. In Nagorno-Karabakh they say that this is not true.


Artsakh President's press secretary Vahram Poghosyan said that Harutyunyan arrived from the front line safe and sound, and shortly thereafter appeared on the air.

Earlier, a number of Transcaucasian media reported about the arrest of the chief of the General Staff of Azerbaijan, General Najmeddin Sadykov. It was alleged that the high-ranking military man was allegedly recruited by the Russian special services and passed on classified information to his supervisors. It was also added that he actively opposed the offensive.

The press service of the Azerbaijani Defense Ministry denied this information. The general is currently on duty, planning and organizing combat operations. In addition, a photo from a military meeting in videoconference mode, in which Sadykov also participates, appeared on the department's website.

When it comes to reports of casualties, it seems that the parties are exercising to exaggerate the real numbers by at least an order of magnitude.

As experts rightly point out, if we take into account the data of the Armenian and Azerbaijani sides on losses for the week, it turns out that they "are approaching the Afghani."

Literally every day, the opposing sides declare hundreds, if not thousands, dead and wounded.

Thus, in the Armenian-Azerbaijani conflict as weapons disinformation is in full swing. Moreover, this weapon is actively used by both opponents.

The following should be noted: today, Armenian Defense Minister David Tonoyan made a statement that the shelling by the Azerbaijani armed forces of settlements in Nagorno-Karabakh would lead to "terrible consequences" for Baku. He also denied Baku's information about attacks on Azerbaijani settlements from the territory of Armenia. The minister stated that Yerevan did not use missiles or long-range artillery from here.
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Ministry of Defense of Azerbaijan
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  1. Maz
    Maz 4 October 2020 16: 08 New
    18
    Another Transport worker from Israel flies to Baku. ⚡️Did the bq for "Laura", kamikaze dons, UAVs or other Israeli MLRS, which are used to surround the peaceful quarters of Stepanakert? Sixth since the beginning of last week. Shaw, Aizer's money does not smell like Jewish blood?
    1. newcomer
      newcomer 4 October 2020 16: 14 New
      +7
      The truthfulness of the loss data on both sides is quite possible, plus / minus. The intensity of the battles, the losses in armor, BC "for Laura", as you exactly put it.
    2. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 4 October 2020 16: 15 New
      +8
      They get paid .... they deliver.
      1. Maz
        Maz 4 October 2020 16: 27 New
        15

        Silk Way Airlines' Il-76 Azerbaijan air trucks are too active today between Turkey-Israel-Baku. Probably matzah is taken to Baku to pass, or palm branches to Sukkot. Neither high-precision palms nor matzo grows in the mountains. They are trying to pour petrol into the fire of war.
        1. Oleg123219307
          Oleg123219307 4 October 2020 16: 36 New
          -10 qualifying.
          Quote: Maz

          Silk Way Airlines' Il-76 Azerbaijan air trucks are too active today between Turkey-Israel-Baku. Probably matzah is taken to Baku to pass, or palm branches to Sukkot. Neither high-precision palms nor matzo grows in the mountains. They are trying to pour petrol into the fire of war.

          If Armenia has information that these are military supplies to the enemy and C300, then why are they still flying? The radius seems to be enough with a margin.
          1. Herman 4223
            Herman 4223 4 October 2020 17: 04 New
            25
            Armenia is not officially involved in the conflict. The use of the S-300 from the territory of Armenia will be an act of aggression, and then the war will not only be in Karabakh.
            1. Oleg123219307
              Oleg123219307 4 October 2020 18: 06 New
              -2
              Quote: Herman 4223
              Armenia is not officially involved in the conflict. The use of the S-300 from the territory of Armenia will be an act of aggression, and then the war will not only be in Karabakh.

              Do you think everything will be limited to Karabakh if ​​Erdogan explicitly declares assistance?
              1. Deck
                Deck 4 October 2020 19: 07 New
                11
                No, it will not be limited.
                The Prokopyev family from Armavir began their vacation in Turkey unusually. On the very first day of their arrival in Antalya, they destroyed one of the local hotels. The incident was caused by the Armenian-Azerbaijani conflict.
                “Immediately after their arrival, the guests tuned in to Russian TV channels and emptied the minibar. A few hours later, the hooligans went to the pool and shouted “Karabakh! Russia! ”, Scared away the rest of the guests, declared the pool the territory of the Russian Federation. The hotel security service was showered with bottles. We were forced to call the police to prevent them by force. We are still trying to wash the flags of Russia and Armenia in the room, ”said Ahmet Tunç, a hotel employee.
                1. Oleg123219307
                  Oleg123219307 4 October 2020 19: 20 New
                  -2
                  Quote: Deck
                  No, it will not be limited.
                  The Prokopyev family from Armavir began their vacation in Turkey unusually. On the very first day of their arrival in Antalya, they destroyed one of the local hotels. The incident was caused by the Armenian-Azerbaijani conflict.
                  “Immediately after their arrival, the guests tuned in to Russian TV channels and emptied the minibar. A few hours later, the hooligans went to the pool and shouted “Karabakh! Russia! ”, Scared away the rest of the guests, declared the pool the territory of the Russian Federation. The hotel security service was showered with bottles. We were forced to call the police to prevent them by force. We are still trying to wash the flags of Russia and Armenia in the room, ”said Ahmet Tunç, a hotel employee.

                  If Armenia stretches rubber with a request to help until the moment of real intervention of Turkey, and thus invites the Turks to our doorstep, then as if in Armenia, Azerbaijan and Karabakh for the next 300 years, we would not have to admire all our flags. Bo may have no choice. And I would not want to bring to this ...
                  1. Lelek
                    Lelek 4 October 2020 20: 42 New
                    +5
                    Quote: oleg123219307
                    Bo may have no choice.

                    hi
                    It may not stay, if Pashinyan honestly does not change his policy (both theirs and ours, but more of theirs). And the leadership of the Russian Federation gave him an unambiguous signal on this matter. The CSTO is certainly good, but there is also an argument - "Fedya, you are wrong."
                    1. Oleg123219307
                      Oleg123219307 4 October 2020 20: 57 New
                      +1
                      Quote: Lelek
                      Quote: oleg123219307
                      Bo may have no choice.

                      hi
                      It may not stay, if Pashinyan honestly does not change his policy (both theirs and ours, but more of theirs). And the leadership of the Russian Federation gave him an unambiguous signal on this matter. The CSTO is certainly good, but there is also an argument - "Fedya, you are wrong."

                      Dreams of dreams ... There is only much to blame for betrayal. Nobody wanted to think about what their own pro-American policy was. I hope they will come to their senses in time.
                      1. Lelek
                        Lelek 4 October 2020 21: 00 New
                        +3
                        Quote: oleg123219307
                        I hope they will come to their senses in time.


                        This is hard to believe, but let's hope.
                      2. user1212
                        user1212 5 October 2020 03: 37 New
                        +2
                        Quote: oleg123219307
                        I hope they will come to their senses in time.

                        The bullet makes amazing changes in the head, even if it hits the ass
              2. ZEMCH
                ZEMCH 4 October 2020 19: 23 New
                +1
                Quote: oleg123219307
                Do you think everything will be limited to Karabakh if ​​Erdogan explicitly declares assistance?

                So far, yes, that will be limited. Armenia does not participate officially, only the NKR, but the NKR is the territory of Azerbaijan, by the way, recognized by Armenia)))
                1. Oleg123219307
                  Oleg123219307 4 October 2020 19: 55 New
                  -1
                  Quote: ZEMCH
                  So far, yes, that will be limited. Armenia does not participate officially, only the NKR, but the NKR is the territory of Azerbaijan, by the way, recognized by Armenia)))

                  As soon as Armenia starts to lose in Karabakh, and given that they are fighting with the military-industrial potential of Turkey and not Azerbaijan, this will happen within two weeks at most, they will have 2 options. The first is the surrender and withdrawal from Karabakh. And what, knowing the mood in Armenia, will the Armenians themselves do with their power for this? The second is massive strikes by OTRK and aviation on infrastructure and military bases and warehouses in Azerbaijan itself in order to equalize opportunities by destroying Turkish and Israeli flying equipment. In this scenario, Armenia would have won against Azerbaijan, since the training of the army is much higher, and the weapons are quite good. But at this very moment, expect to visit Turkey. And then we will have to intervene and the entire Caucasus will be on fire ...
                  1. ZEMCH
                    ZEMCH 4 October 2020 20: 06 New
                    0
                    Quote: oleg123219307
                    The first is the surrender and withdrawal from Karabakh. And what, knowing the mood in Armenia, will the Armenians themselves do with their power for this? The second is massive strikes by OTRK and aviation on infrastructure and military bases and warehouses in Azerbaijan itself in order to equalize opportunities by destroying Turkish and Israeli flying equipment.

                    I think the first option will be safer for the world, or the introduction of peacekeepers. But neither side wants to see Russia in the role of peacekeepers
                    1. Oleg123219307
                      Oleg123219307 4 October 2020 20: 12 New
                      0
                      Quote: ZEMCH
                      I think the first option will be safer for the world, or the introduction of peacekeepers. But neither side wants to see Russia in the role of peacekeepers

                      Nobody will go to the first option. And the second without Russia will end with the second Armenian genocide. And who will it help except Turkey?
                      1. ZEMCH
                        ZEMCH 4 October 2020 20: 19 New
                        +2
                        Quote: oleg123219307
                        And who will it help except Turkey?

                        And how will the Armenian genocide help Turkey? they have a lobby in the USA, France, and finally in Russia. I hope the Turks are not sick in the head. Help with weapons, militants from Syria, but they will stop Azerbaijan at the border with Armenia, otherwise there will be a lot of stench)))
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                      3. ZEMCH
                        ZEMCH 4 October 2020 20: 57 New
                        0
                        Maybe they are right))), but I want to believe in prudence))) Erdogan has "cackled" too much at all. Against Greece, France, Germany, Russia, Israel, Iran.
                        Will you tear your pants?
                      4. Oleg123219307
                        Oleg123219307 4 October 2020 21: 03 New
                        +1
                        Quote: ZEMCH
                        Maybe they are right))), but I want to believe in prudence))) Erdogan has "cackled" too much at all. Against Greece, France, Germany, Russia, Israel, Iran.
                        Will you tear your pants?

                        In the end, of course, it will break. If only it would not be too late for many people. What is happening now in Karabakh is so, children's crackers compared to what Turkey can arrange if it decides to clean up the Caucasus ...
                      5. ZEMCH
                        ZEMCH 4 October 2020 21: 11 New
                        0
                        As soon as the Turkish armed forces begin to clean up the Caucasus (I hope this will not happen), the Kurdish population will become more active
                      6. Oleg123219307
                        Oleg123219307 4 October 2020 21: 23 New
                        0
                        Quote: ZEMCH
                        As soon as the Turkish armed forces begin to clean up the Caucasus (I hope this will not happen), the Kurdish population will become more active

                        Without modern weapons, is it going to help? Friends Americans as we all remember the Kurds merged ...
                      7. ZEMCH
                        ZEMCH 5 October 2020 00: 43 New
                        -1
                        They didn't merge, but agreed)))
              3. 2 Level Advisor
                2 Level Advisor 4 October 2020 21: 19 New
                0
                You think in terms of the 19th century .. but in reality Turkey is not the same as 200 years ago and life is not the same .. they certainly have a place in the sense of wishful thinking .. but their opportunities are not the same now .. and how is it "the whole Caucasus" flare up? + Georgia is on fire - why would it? and without it, count and so "the whole Kavakaz" is blazing .. In general, in 18 ** the Turks would really ask who would be, but in 2020 it does not work out that way ..
              4. Oleg123219307
                Oleg123219307 4 October 2020 21: 25 New
                0
                Quote: Level 2 Advisor
                You think in terms of the 19th century .. but in reality Turkey is not the same as 200 years ago and life is not the same .. they certainly have a place in the sense of wishful thinking .. but their opportunities are not the same now .. and how is it "the whole Caucasus" flare up? + Georgia is on fire - why would it? and without it count and so "the whole Caucasus" is on fire .. In general, in 18 ** the Turks would really, who would ask, but in 2020 this does not work ..

                Your words, yes to God in the ears ... I myself live near the border and I don't really want war, because this whole crowd of refugees will be here again. And in 2008 and 2014 we already got a good taste of this, we don't want something anymore ...
    3. Mr.X
      Mr.X 4 October 2020 20: 57 New
      +3
      Sorry, but how do you imagine the impact of the Turkish military-industrial potential in Artsakh? After all, Georgia has closed its borders!
      1. Oleg123219307
        Oleg123219307 4 October 2020 21: 04 New
        +2
        Quote: Mr.X
        Sorry, but how do you imagine the impact of the Turkish military-industrial potential in Artsakh? After all, Georgia has closed its borders!

        So you closed that yesterday the convoy of trucks with drones was removed, and transports from Turkey and Israel have been flying for a week already? Look above with what question I started writing here today. The question was simple - why don't they shoot down transports with weapons?
        1. Mr.X
          Mr.X 4 October 2020 21: 07 New
          +1
          Yesterday they closed the border.
        2. Oleg123219307
          Oleg123219307 4 October 2020 21: 21 New
          +1
          Quote: Mr.X
          Yesterday they closed the border.

          Let's wait and see ... If in 2 days Azerbaijan runs out of drones, then you are right.
        3. Herman 4223
          Herman 4223 4 October 2020 21: 52 New
          0
          These drones are not cheap enough, Azerbaijan can buy several hundred of these toys. They are good for propaganda, but it takes thousands of them to turn the tide with them. And this is not a lifting amount.
        4. cormorant
          cormorant 4 October 2020 22: 24 New
          +4
          If virtually every one of these Harop UAVs hits the target, why are there thousands? A few hundred will be enough. They also have drums "Bayraktar TB2. So far, we are only observing how the Armenian technique is methodically knocking out.
        5. user1212
          user1212 5 October 2020 04: 40 New
          +2
          Quote: cormorant
          If virtually every one of these Harop drones hits the target

          Then the question arises why the positions of the NK artillery still exist, why only one village in a week was taken by Azerbaijanis, why Azerbaijanis generally suffer losses in men and equipment, why do they need Syrian scumbags? After all, there is no danger, the Armenians are being destroyed by drones. Don't you think that someone there ... is lying a little? In recent years, hundreds of "beautiful" videos have been discussed here, which then, after a couple of months, turned out to be nothing more than cartoons for housewives. Not all, of course, but many. Remember when the last time the war was exactly what one of the sides shows it? In my memory, never.
        6. Herman 4223
          Herman 4223 5 October 2020 06: 55 New
          0
          First, who said that everyone? You are shown successful cases of use, and after all, some part of it must have been shot down, at least the Armenians declare this, some part arrives in the models. I would not be surprised if there are cases when the device simply does not find the target. And thousands of them are needed because the goals go to these numbers.
          At the moment, several dozen successful hits have been posted, this is certainly good for Azerbaijan, but not enough to seriously influence events.
  • Grits
    Grits 5 October 2020 03: 26 New
    +1
    Quote: Mr.X
    After all, Georgia has closed its borders!

    Take a look at the map above. there are routes of transport workers carrying military supplies from Turkey and Israel. Have you determined over whose territory you are flying?
  • user1212
    user1212 5 October 2020 04: 34 New
    +2
    Quote: oleg123219307
    and given that they are at war with the military-industrial potential of Turkey and not Azerbaijan

    Forgive my ignorance, but what industrial potential does Turkey have? No, I certainly understand that Armenia and Turkey are different weight categories, but the Turkish currency has been in a steep peak since 2013, quite comparable to ours. This is without any special sanctions, I would like to draw your attention. But the difference is that we don’t buy weapons ... So, in my opinion, Turkey’s ability to wage war on several fronts is greatly exaggerated. Another question is that without achieving high-profile victories on any of the fronts, Erdogan is forced to open new ones, he needs quick victories, to which he will make every effort. But for a real war he has neither the strength nor the means.
    Well, and anecdote on the topic of the day :)
    - How do you think the conflict between Armenia and Azerbaijan will end?
    - Usually all wars end with the partition of Poland ...
  • Herman 4223
    Herman 4223 4 October 2020 21: 45 New
    +2
    An attack by Azerbaijan or Turkey on Armenia will turn on the CSTO mechanism. Armenia's attack on Azerbaijan will leave it alone with Azerbaijan and Turkey, because if the country itself attacked, then the CSTO members are not obliged to protect it.
    Azerbaijan will have to deal with Karabakh for a long time, the piece is large and snarls, it will not be possible to swallow it quickly.
  • Krasnodar
    Krasnodar 4 October 2020 16: 42 New
    +1
    Buy urgently bread and water only in the Palestinian Authority. Refuel in the same place! Don't pay the Jews for the supply of modern weapons to Azerbaijan!
    1. Hunter 2
      Hunter 2 4 October 2020 17: 05 New
      25
      Here's just an Epic Confrontation! MAZ - lives in Israel, criticizes Jews! Albert - lives in Russia (has not decided on a political position). belay often drowns for the Israelis, but also supports Russia (and not only in words). I propose to send Krasnodar to Israel as a spy ... so that he can finally prove who he is with.
      You are disguised as a tourist
      Crawl three hundred kilometers
      To find out where the rockets are
      And how much are banquets in Tel Aviv!
      We - You will never forget
      We will collect transmissions
      If you suddenly fail the task
      Let's make your punishment easier!
      Well, if you come back with a package
      The one in which everything is about missiles ...
      Just don't forget about the drones.
      What did these gan think up ... Comrades!
      Then honor and honor to you
      Order ... well, or at least a badge ... drinks laughing laughing


      On VO you will be made a Marshal
      Deserved - nothing can be done soldier
      1. ccsr
        ccsr 4 October 2020 17: 09 New
        +6
        Quote: Hunter 2
        I propose to send Krasnodar to Israel as a spy ... so that he can finally prove who he is with.

        First you need to check what he has with circumcision - otherwise he can mow like an Israelite in order to quickly get citizenship, not being a Jew. We run the risk of sending him there - all of a sudden it will be burnt out immediately, and we will lose a valuable frame.
        1. Hunter 2
          Hunter 2 4 October 2020 17: 12 New
          +5
          I will not take part in this commission! No.
          I think you can believe it ... he's a former IDF serviceman! yes
          1. ccsr
            ccsr 4 October 2020 17: 20 New
            -2
            Quote: Hunter 2
            I think you can believe it ...

            Let him present at least a photo of his penis to confirm this.
            Quote: Hunter 2
            he's a former IDF soldier!

            And there not only Jews serve:
            Druze, Circassians, Bedouins - these are the three main non-Jewish peoples of Israel professing Islam, but serving in the Israel Defense Forces and taking part in all armed conflicts with neighboring Arab countries on the side of the Jewish state.

            What if he is an unbelieving Bedouin or a Circassian from the Karachay-Cherkess Republic? We run the risk of running into an international scandal, again they will say that the Russian special services sent the poisoner ...
            1. Revolver
              Revolver 4 October 2020 18: 26 New
              +2
              Quote: ccsr
              Druze, Circassians, Bedouins - these are the three main non-Jewish peoples of Israel, professing Islam, but serving in the Israel Defense Forces
              All of them are circumcised, the difference is only that the Jews are in infancy, and Muslims are already at a quite conscious age.
      2. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 4 October 2020 17: 16 New
        +5
        Hi! hi
        Look at the Outpost - this is an Israeli reconnaissance drone produced in Russia under an Israeli license))
        Why are these Jews of Gon-Komrad? Invested in demanded, but having many analogs in the world of development lol They cannot raise zircons and Poseidons - and there is no need
        And what does it mean that he has not decided on a political position? I am for Putin, our Crimea, Cayenne is not a hindrance to patriotism, who does not have a billion ... fellow
        1. Hunter 2
          Hunter 2 4 October 2020 17: 22 New
          +3
          It's in rhyme ... I'm the author - I express myself like that! bully
          As for Drones, I think we'll catch up, Russia also has full-fledged aviation, but ... this niche needs to be filled urgently! I think the conclusions of the Ministry of Defense have already been made. The hunter is, in my opinion, a very promising development.
          1. Sergey_G_M
            Sergey_G_M 4 October 2020 17: 37 New
            12
            The hunter is expensive. There are no engines for cheap drones. There are problems with optical systems. So we will fill the drone niche for another 5-10 years at least.
          2. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar 4 October 2020 17: 45 New
            +1
            In its niche - certainly
            1. Hunter 2
              Hunter 2 4 October 2020 17: 56 New
              -1
              Quote: Krasnodar
              In its niche - certainly

              I was impressed by the test flight of the Hunter in conjunction with the SU-57! I hope they will bring the program to its logical conclusion, then it will be a real success!
              1. Krasnodar
                Krasnodar 4 October 2020 18: 13 New
                +5
                The main thing is to raise a new generation of test pilots. And scientists. The rest will follow
    2. Grim Reaper
      Grim Reaper 4 October 2020 18: 06 New
      +2
      Quote: Krasnodar
      Buy urgently bread and water only in the Palestinian Authority. Refuel in the same place! Don't pay the Jews for the supply of modern weapons to Azerbaijan!

      nefik Jews generally pay. Well, except that it will fix ...;)
      1. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 4 October 2020 18: 44 New
        +2
        Yes, toilet paper, toothpaste, etc. laughing
    3. Blackmokona
      Blackmokona 4 October 2020 18: 46 New
      0
      Bread and water come to Palestine from Israel wassat
      1. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 4 October 2020 19: 11 New
        +1
        Flour partially from Jordan))
  • Observer2014
    Observer2014 4 October 2020 16: 46 New
    +8
    They are trying to pour petrol into the fire of war.
    I don’t understand something. Whose production is the Il-76? How can you not see Russian weapons from both sides like this? Whose "Smerch", "Grad"? Again, the Israelis have put something? In the video, the Azerbaijani army is moving in MAZ. " The Polonaise was uncovered. The other Iskander aimed. What kind of bullshit is constantly printing the same bullshit as enchanted? How much can you. Who supplied the tanks all these years? What kind of insanity. Or "Smerch" that on Stepanakert is beating with cassettes is it not offensive patriotic? And vice versa, what about the cities of Azerbaijan? Better talk about fakes from both sides. What are some. What are others. They sculpt as it should. They are already on the second round for kill a week.
    1. andrewkor
      andrewkor 4 October 2020 17: 52 New
      +2
      IL76 manufactured by TAPOiCH (formerly) in Tashkent. All orders and modifications went through Ilyushin. Silk Way was created for air transportation Europe-Afghanistan. The aircraft was one of the first to be remotorized under PS-90.
    2. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 5 October 2020 00: 37 New
      +4
      Here is the unexploded in Ganzhu near the Smerch CHP
      1. genisis
        genisis 5 October 2020 17: 28 New
        +1
        1) This is not an unexploded tornado. The warhead is separated earlier. This is the tail end of the rocket, an empty metal tube, differently.
        2) This is not a thermal power plant or Ganja. This is the Mengeachurskaya hydroelectric power station.
        3) The accuracy of the inlet in the asphalt raises doubts about its natural origin.
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  • Babermetis
    Babermetis 4 October 2020 19: 44 New
    +1
    Quote: Maz

    Silk Way Airlines' Il-76 Azerbaijan air trucks are too active today between Turkey-Israel-Baku. Probably matzah is taken to Baku to pass, or palm branches to Sukkot. Neither high-precision palms nor matzo grows in the mountains. They are trying to pour petrol into the fire of war.


    Say thank you that they don't fly over Armenia. They don't save fuel.
  • miru mir
    miru mir 4 October 2020 20: 10 New
    0
    Russia already flooded everything there long ago
  • donavi49
    donavi49 4 October 2020 16: 19 New
    +5
    There is quite an ordinary shootout with Tornadoes going on. Especially today. When packets began to be thrown around the cities.


    1. Orange bigg
      Orange bigg 4 October 2020 16: 24 New
      +1
      Photos of the aftermath of the shelling on the link below. Looks like cluster shells from MLRS Smerch worked in Ganja.
      A response for the shelling of Stepanakert flew to Azerbaijan. The second largest city in Azerbaijan was hit at night.
      The Armenians poured rockets into the military airfield in Ganja, where, among other things, Turkish F-16s are based. Along the way, part of the arrivals fell on residential areas. There is destruction in the city, the evacuation of residents has begun.
      Armenia claims that a military airfield in Ganja has been destroyed.

      https://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/6217028.html
      1. Incvizitor
        Incvizitor 4 October 2020 23: 07 New
        +1
        It's strange that the camera was intact, I was sure that such charges would blow it apart.
        1. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 5 October 2020 00: 42 New
          +2
          So you can see - buckshot whips on walls and trees or the cassettes explode.
          Only if they got directly into the camera.
          1. Incvizitor
            Incvizitor 5 October 2020 01: 39 New
            0
            There is also a lot of buckshot and scattered nearby and nothing touched me.
    2. KVU-NSVD
      KVU-NSVD 4 October 2020 16: 26 New
      +3
      Quote: donavi49
      When packages began to be thrown

      It is no longer
      casual shootout
      A volley from a tornado battery is a terrible thing if there is no normal shelter.
      1. donavi49
        donavi49 4 October 2020 16: 28 New
        +2
        Well, in Ganja, it seems, 6 missiles flew into the city on the shanks (+ a couple of strange craters, possibly also from the Tornadoes only with detonation)

        He also actively arrives in Stepanakert. In the video, 3 cassettes worked - that is, 3 missiles.
  • Insurgent
    Insurgent 4 October 2020 16: 30 New
    +3
    Quote: Maz
    Shaw, Aizer's money does not smell like Jewish blood?

    1. Alena-Baku
      Alena-Baku 4 October 2020 16: 44 New
      -21 qualifying.
      So so. After reaching the state border, you should ask for indemnity for 26 years of occupation, for ethnic cleansing, for other damage and damage. Armenia is a beggar. They will pay in kind. I'm talking about Zangyazur. At the same time it will become our buffer from other nasty things and outposts in the future.
      1. nnm
        nnm 4 October 2020 16: 49 New
        +3
        Quote: Alena-Baku
        will become our buffer against other nasty things and outposts in the future.

        And who are these outposts from?
        1. Tatyana
          Tatyana 4 October 2020 21: 53 New
          +2
          Quote: Alena-Baku
          So so. After reaching the state border, you should ask for indemnity for 26 years of occupation, for ethnic cleansing, for other damage and damage. Armenia is a beggar. They will pay in kind. I'm talking about Zangyazur. At the same time it will become our buffer from other nasty things and outposts in the future.

          The Nazi Azerbaijani chauvinist speaks in you, who does not know how and does not want to build a MULTI-NATIONAL state in Azerbaijan.
          Since 1990, the Azerbaijanis themselves have been brilliant in ethnic cleansing.
          How will you pay for your Armenian GENOCIDE in Azerbaijan?

          Introduce Azerbaijani nationalists, like you, to Azerbaijan in their atrocities against national minorities in 1990, how crazy they are!

          See video "Genocide of Russians and Armenians in Azerbaijan Baku 1990. May 10, 2018"
          https://yandex.ru/video/preview?text=%D1%8D%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%87%D0%B5%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B5%20%D1%87%D0%B8%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BA%D0%B8%20%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%BC%D1%8F%D0%BD%20%D0%B2%20%D0%B0%D0%B7%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B1%D0%B0%D0%B9%D0%B4%D0%B6%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B5&path=wizard&parent-reqid=1601753950921306-211658631529930084200101-production-app-host-man-web-yp-355&wiz_type=vital&filmId=5081169260764942431

          Operation Ring 1991. Film. Russia and Azerbaijan in the ethnic cleansing of the Armenians of Artsakh (Karabakh).• Nov 17. 2019 year
          1. Tatyana
            Tatyana 4 October 2020 22: 10 New
            +2
            Quote: Alena-Baku
            After entering the state border, you should ask for indemnity for 26 years of occupation,

            By your own stupidity, you will not find yourself under occupation by Turkey!

            First of all. If Azerbaijan had not been engaged in the construction of a MONOnational Nazi state, as Erdogan did in Idlib and as the Ottoman Empire did in 1920, then there would not have been an uprising of national minorities - the same Armenians within Azerbaijan !!!

            And secondly, answer your questions:
            1. Why does not Aliyev recognize that Nagorno-Karabakh could not be recognized as an Armenian Autonomous Republic within Azerbaijan? NK is formally a part of Azerbaijan even now.
            After all, for 30 years, Azerbaijan was able to - did not want - to solve and settle this very issue and did not recognize the genocide of Armenians in NK by the Azerbaijanis!
            2. Why doesn't Aliyev admit that he is implementing the Turkish Ottoman policy in Azerbaijan, represented by Erdogan?
            3. Why does Aliyev not recognize that the leadership of the Turkish generals dominates in the General Staff of Azerbaijan?
            4. Why does Aliyev not recognize the help of Turkey in the composition of manpower from the pro-Turkish militants from the banned terrorist organizations, which Erdogan sent to Azerbaijan by hundreds to fight N. Karabakh from Idlib?
            5. Why doesn't Aliyev say that mainly representatives of national minorities of Azerbaijan are sent to the front - to the war with NK - in Azerbaijan?
            6. Why does Azerbaijan use banned cluster shells and bombs against the civilian population of Armenia?
            7. If Erdogan wins this war, then who will Aliyev himself become for Erdogan, and Azerbaijan for Erdogan's Turkey? Turkish Gauleiter in Azerbaijan over the Turkish colony - i.e. over Turkish Azerbaijan?
            8. Why is Aliyev lying?
            1. Alena-Baku
              Alena-Baku 5 October 2020 01: 40 New
              0
              Azerbaijan, unlike Armenia, is not a mono-state. It can boast of citizens of Russian nationality, Russian schools, a Slavic university, Russian drama theater, Russian villages, etc. None of the above is listed in Armenia.
              For 30 years they lived in anticipation of the resolution of the conflict until Pashinyan came with the literature Karabakh is Armenia and put an end to all negotiations. And why should Aliyev recognize Karabakh when Armenia itself does not recognize it? On account of the murder of civilians on Google, the Armenian terror will be interesting. I completely forgot how there is a monument to the fascist Nzhdeh, look enough soon the Azerbaijanis will change it to Aliyev.
              1. Tatyana
                Tatyana 5 October 2020 12: 47 New
                0
                Pashinyan is a product of the coming to power in Armenia of Armenian nationalists and the Armenian "soros" of Washington. Pashinyan is almost exactly the same as the rulers of Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia and Ukraine.

                Aliyev is a product of Erdogan's policy with his fixed idea of ​​the Ottoman Empire's REVIVAL with all the ensuing consequences.
                Quote: Alena-Baku
                Azerbaijan, unlike Armenia, is not a mono-state. It can boast of citizens of Russian nationality, Russian schools, a Slavic university, a Russian drama theater, Russian villages, etc.
                First of all. Armenia is much smaller than Azerbaijan.
                And secondly. Don't worry - mono-nationality and Muslimization of Azerbaijan is still ahead. And the fact that the Azerbaijanis are capable of this, the Russian population learned in Azerbaijan back in the 1990s !!!
                Quote: Alena-Baku
                None of the above is listed in Armenia.
                For 30 years they lived in anticipation of a solution to the conflict until Pashinyan came with the poetry Karabakh is Armenia and put an end to all negotiations.
                Pashinyan has not been in power for 30 years, but only 2 years! And the question of Nagorno-Karakhabakh arose precisely in 1990 - during the collapse of the USSR. Do not mix everything sophistically into one heap, being yourself an apologist of Azerbaijani radical nationalism - Azerbaijani SHOVINISM.!
                Quote: Alena-Baku
                And why should Aliyev recognize Karabakh when Armenia itself does not recognize it?
                Because NK is a part of Azerbaijan! And it is Aliyev and the leadership of Azerbaijan that are responsible for this WAR with the Armenian population of NK. It was the SHOVINISM of the Azerbaijanis who brought the Armenians of NK to self-organization, just as it brought the Russians in the DPR and LPR to self-separation from Ukraine. The GENOCIDE of the Russian people, organized with the Bandera junta coming to power in Kiev. And Crimea left the Russian Federation from the Ukrainian fascists for the same exact reason.
                Quote: Alena-Baku
                On account of the murder of civilians on Google, the Armenian terror will be interesting.
                Do you want the Armenians to pat you on the head for your genocide of Armenians, Azerbaijanis?
                That is why they are telling you about the need for a diplomatic settlement of the NK problem! And you again insist on your own chauvinist!
                You will thank Erdogan for this, and you will curse him later - when Azerbaijan will become part of the Ottoman Empire, which will end up like the Third Reich in 1945!
                1. Alena-Baku
                  Alena-Baku 5 October 2020 13: 09 New
                  0
                  oh no, thank God there is an archive it was the collapse of the union that began with Armenia. On January 25, 1988, the first stream of Azeri refugees from Armenia started, I can send records with speeches of the USSR deputies there are dates. Aliyev, when Erdoganan was in power, it seems, was not born and Ilham continued the policy of the elder Aliyev, so he cannot be a product of Erdogan. If you do not have arguments for closing schools in Armenia, you should not predict that they will be closed in Azerbaijan, thank God, their number is growing. And do not write the date 45 to the country where there are monuments to the Nazis are not entitled to this date.
                  1. Tatyana
                    Tatyana 5 October 2020 13: 42 New
                    0
                    Quote: Alena-Baku
                    oh no, thank God there is an archive it was the collapse of the union that began with Armenia. On January 25, 1988, the first stream of Azeri refugees from Armenia started, I can send records with speeches of the USSR deputies there are dates.

                    The genocide of Russians in the Azerbaijan SSR in 1989, how can you explain?

                    Genocide of Russians in Azerbaijan.


                    Quote: Alena-Baku
                    If you do not have arguments for closing schools in Armenia, you should not predict that they will be closed in Azerbaijan, thank God, their number is growing.

                    It is no secret that in modern Armenia the Soros / Washington policy is being implemented, and Azerbaijan is merging by Aliyev into the Ottoman designs of Erdogan's Turkey. So, Turkism is still ahead of Azerbaijanis.
                    1. Alena-Baku
                      Alena-Baku 5 October 2020 14: 19 New
                      -1
                      I don't need to show a film of Sloviev's styles here, I saw these events with my own eyes, and even here you can see what the soldiers turned the city of Baku into, shooting hundreds of victims at civilians on January 20. People were killed and on the set the woman said we were scolded with bad words and that they should have been praised for the fact that their husbands shot at civilians, and do not say that they were following Gorbatov's order, many of these Russian women could envy at least they survived, unlike the victims of Khojaly. They talk about 100 thousand refugees and show 10 Russian wives of the military who were framed by the humpback himself, the soldiers shot at the Russians our Baku Russians were killed, come see the honorable burial. The fact is that Russians live and prosper here, unlike Armenia.
                    2. Tatyana
                      Tatyana 5 October 2020 14: 42 New
                      0
                      Quote: Alena-Baku
                      Film Styles Sloviev
                      The film is documentary - and Solovyov has nothing to do with it. I found what was preserved on the Internet and displayed it. And so I, a Russian, and I remember very well how the USSR collapsed under Gorbachev, and what was happening then in the Soviet republics under Gorbat from 1988, and then in independent national states. And also what was happening in Dudayev's Ichkeria.
                      Everywhere, in principle, it was the same, in the Caucasus in particular.

                      I repeat, Aliyev is not negotiable thanks to Erdogan! Therefore, Azerbaijanis should be Islamized under the Turks in the Ottoman Empire of the XXI century! Aliyev is the Azerbaijani Gorbachev!
                      May God grant the peoples of Azerbaijan intelligence and strength to resist this!
          2. yehat2
            yehat2 5 October 2020 09: 40 New
            0
            in a situation of mutual mistrust, scammers and violence, demanding unilateral recognition means scrapping negotiations in advance to zero. This is a demand for surrender.
            1. Tatyana
              Tatyana 5 October 2020 13: 03 New
              0
              Quote: yehat2
              in a situation of mutual mistrust, scammers and violence, demanding unilateral recognition means scrapping negotiations in advance to zero. This is a demand for surrender.

              It is precisely the surrender that Aliyev demands from the Armenians of NK with their subsequent GENOCIDE!
              Moreover, Erdogan, like Satan, sat on Aliyev's shoulders and guides him to move where Erdogan himself needs.
              Aliyev has become politically not an independent figure and head of the Azerbaijani state. Aliyev fell under external foreign - pro-Turkish - management. That's the trouble!
              1. yehat2
                yehat2 5 October 2020 13: 17 New
                -1
                the Armenians themselves carried out ethnic cleansing.
                so they are no different from Aliyev.
    2. genisis
      genisis 4 October 2020 17: 14 New
      +8
      You still have to get to the exit to the state border.
      Considering that we walked to Matagiz for a week, and there it was 4,5 km, we might not reach the border at all.
      Here is the latest video from the vicinity of Matagiz. For some reason, while the askars are running the opposite side of the border.
      You can watch the video by the link
      https://www.facebook.com/100000785095088/posts/3299325840103553/?extid=0&d=n
      1. Keyser soze
        Keyser soze 4 October 2020 17: 36 New
        +7
        Considering that we walked to Matagiz for a week, and there it was 4,5 km, we might not reach the border at all.


        I'm not aware of local geography, but is that correct? Only 4,5 km were passed by these bashibozushki heroes, in 7 days?!? !! With all the superiority in armament and at the first strike ?!

        It's straight that Alexandra the Great gathered in the Azeri asker ...
        1. genisis
          genisis 4 October 2020 17: 38 New
          12
          I have already laid out the map before. I will duplicate for you.
          1. Keyser soze
            Keyser soze 4 October 2020 17: 43 New
            11
            I will duplicate for you.


            Thanks! I'm shocked. Of course I expected that the Turks would be beaten like a Sidorov goat, but this exceeded my expectations. The Armenians are great, may there be good luck with them!
            1. Oquzyurd
              Oquzyurd 4 October 2020 19: 51 New
              +1
              Two optimists amuse each other)) Guys, Jebrail and several villages have been liberated from the Armenian occupation. Sugovushan (Madagiz) is also with us, so you don't compose for yourself. Today Aliyev was addressing the people. I recommend that you listen to his speech, in order so as not to speculate, so as not to gossip)
              1. Keyser soze
                Keyser soze 4 October 2020 20: 33 New
                0
                .I recommend that you listen to his speech, so as not to speculate


                laughing That is, Aliyev is the ultimate truth? So you haven't covered 4 km. with all the technical superiority you have? And the video below is not what I see but a mirage?

                Well, you give dear ... I will repeat again there is no vidos with a parade on the liberated villages, which means there is still a lot of shooting. And logically, you took absolutely nothing.

                But when I watched the video of my colleague Genisis, I shuddered and felt sorry for your people. Better go home and make up, although I have no idea how. You are exterminated and incite hatred because of Erdogashki's ambitions.
            2. VyacheSeymour
              VyacheSeymour 4 October 2020 21: 11 New
              +1
              I'm not aware of local geography, but is that correct?

              Well, can you read maps? - Can you tell the plain from the mountains?
              If not, then the map given by ginisis is not enough for you, which will reveal ...
              You will have to take the word ginesisu ... since the Aran steppe from the mountains
              You cannot distinguish the Lesser Caucasus (this is where Nagorno-Karabakh is located)
      2. genisis
        genisis 4 October 2020 18: 24 New
        +7
        Here is a video from Matagis
        1. the finish
          the finish 4 October 2020 18: 44 New
          +4
          Is this a video of the escape from MATAGIS?
          1. genisis
            genisis 4 October 2020 19: 14 New
            +5
            It is the most. Today's
        2. Oquzyurd
          Oquzyurd 4 October 2020 21: 07 New
          +1
          The Azerbaijani army liberated the city of Jabrayil and 9 villages of the Jabrayil region, Azerbaijani President Ilham Aliyev said.

          “Today the city of Jabrail and 9 villages of the region have been liberated, in particular the villages of Karhulu, Shukurbeyli, Yukhary Maralyan, Cheraken, Dashkesan, Khorovlu, Mahmudlu, Jafarabad, Dejal,” Aliyev said in his address to the Azerbaijani people.
        3. Oquzyurd
          Oquzyurd 4 October 2020 21: 08 New
          +1
          President of Azerbaijan Ilham Aliyev announced on Sunday in his address to the Azerbaijani people the conditions under which a truce in Nagorno-Karabakh is possible.

          “My condition is this: let them withdraw their troops and the confrontation will be stopped. But this should not be in words, but in deeds. Let Pashinyan declare that I recognize the territorial integrity of Azerbaijan, as indicated in the basic principles, I will withdraw troops from the occupied territories, as indicated in the basic principles, I apologize to the Azerbaijani people, and declare that “Karabakh is not Armenia”, - said the president.

          According to him, the last condition is to determine the schedule for the withdrawal of the Armenian Armed Forces from the occupied territories of Azerbaijan.

          “In this case, we will restore the ceasefire. Now, when there are fierce battles, this is difficult to do. If we stop, they won't stop. And then the statements that you will stop, give them time. Why give them time? Give them time to build up strength, to gather people and launch attacks. Do they consider us so naive? ”The Azerbaijani leader emphasized.
        4. Oquzyurd
          Oquzyurd 4 October 2020 21: 09 New
          0
          I wanted to resolve the issue peacefully, but they didn’t hear me. Did you think that Shusha would be under occupation, and I will put up with it? The Azerbaijani people were offended. Let's see where the leader of the junta will now hold his inauguration. Hid now like a mouse.

          President Ilham Aliyev stated this in his address to the nation.
          1. genisis
            genisis 4 October 2020 21: 27 New
            +5
            Hikmet Hajiyev also said today that Arayik Harutyunyan was seriously wounded, and at that time he was addressing the people of Azerbaijan on the air.
            Hid now like a mouse

            Is this from the same series? ))
            Harutyunyan was on the front line this morning. But Aliev did not leave Baku for sure.
            So the question is, which of them hid like a mouse?
        5. Vadim237
          Vadim237 4 October 2020 22: 03 New
          +3
          Alas, this does not look like a flight, Azerbaijani units just tried to go on them, they blasted them, they retreated, but now they blast at the enemy's firing positions with the help of drones and artillery.
          1. genisis
            genisis 4 October 2020 23: 42 New
            +1
            For the third year already, you have been repeating like a spell about Azerbaijani drones.
            In the video, the Azerbaijani units did not try to enter, but tried to get away from that very Magadis, in which yesterday they raised their flag on camera.
      3. Mr.X
        Mr.X 4 October 2020 21: 03 New
        -1
        The impression is that the military wants to overthrow Aliyev by providing false reports. Don't you think so?
    3. Odysseus
      Odysseus 4 October 2020 17: 18 New
      +4
      Quote: Alena-Baku
      So so. After reaching the state border, you should ask for indemnity for 26 years of occupation, for ethnic cleansing, for other damage and damage

      You are stepping on the same rake as our Armenian friends.
      Not only do you share the skin of an unkilled bear, you yourself dream of becoming invaders. Stop it. Take yours if you can and take it easy. Armenia is on its territory, you are on yours. Everyone is happy.
      Peace and gradual restoration of relations.
      1. Alena-Baku
        Alena-Baku 4 October 2020 17: 57 New
        -9
        this is to tease and so stranger is not necessary. I completely agree with you.
    4. rotkiv04
      rotkiv04 4 October 2020 17: 55 New
      14
      and you seem to be the daughter of an officer from baku, you shouldn't be so belligerent, first take a look at the photo from the front line, at your soldiers with their legs and heads torn off, it's good to fight only sitting on the couch
    5. Babermetis
      Babermetis 4 October 2020 19: 49 New
      0
      Quote: Alena-Baku
      So so. After reaching the state border, you should ask for indemnity for 26 years of occupation, for ethnic cleansing, for other damage and damage. Armenia is a beggar. They will pay in kind. I'm talking about Zangyazur. At the same time it will become our buffer from other nasty things and outposts in the future.

      I support. Justice for the innocent murdered must prevail.
    6. Tatyana
      Tatyana 4 October 2020 21: 51 New
      +1
      Quote: Alena-Baku
      So so. After reaching the state border, you should ask for indemnity for 26 years of occupation, for ethnic cleansing, for other damage and damage. Armenia is a beggar. They will pay in kind. I'm talking about Zangyazur. At the same time it will become our buffer from other nasty things and outposts in the future.

      The Nazi Azerbaijani chauvinist speaks in you, who does not know how and does not want to build a MULTI-NATIONAL state in Azerbaijan.
      How are you going to pay for the Armenian Genocide?

      If Azerbaijan, after the collapse of the USSR, had not been engaged in the construction of the MONOnational Nazi state, as Erdogan did in Idlib and as the Ottoman Empire did in 1920-1925, then there would be no uprising of national minorities in the Azerbaijan SSR in 1990 - the same Armenians in Nagorny Karabakh within Azerbaijan !!!
      Otherwise, the Azerbaijani nationalists in Azerbaijan have gone mad in their atrocities!

      Since 1990, the Azerbaijanis themselves have been brilliant in ethnic cleansing.

      See the video "Genocide of Russians and Armenians in Azerbaijan Baku 1990. May 10, 2018"
      https://yandex.ru/video/preview?text=%D1%8D%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%87%D0%B5%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B5%20%D1%87%D0%B8%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BA%D0%B8%20%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%BC%D1%8F%D0%BD%20%D0%B2%20%D0%B0%D0%B7%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B1%D0%B0%D0%B9%D0%B4%D0%B6%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B5&path=wizard&parent-reqid=1601753950921306-211658631529930084200101-production-app-host-man-web-yp-355&wiz_type=vital&filmId=5081169260764942431

      Operation Ring 1991. Film. Russia and Azerbaijan in the ethnic cleansing of the Armenians of Artsakh (Karabakh). • 17 Nov. Dec 2019
    7. Pavlos Melas
      Pavlos Melas 5 October 2020 00: 27 New
      0
      Dreaming is not harmful, it is harmful not to dream. As soon as you demand territory from Armenia, the CSTO will turn on and your republics will enter the Transcaucasian Military District of the Russian Federation.
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  • Maz
    Maz 4 October 2020 16: 46 New
    +5
    We have just received footage of cluster munitions being exploded in Stepanokert. A. Then I remembered where they could come from. In the last Lebanese war and after, an utter scandal broke out in Israel over the use of American-made cluster munitions prohibited by the convention. It turns out that a lot of them have accumulated in Israeli warehouses and the Air Force commander ordered them to be shipped across Lebanon and Hezbollah. But this case was quickly revealed and cassette bombing in Lebanon abruptly stopped. The Israelis were very much complaining that they could not be spread all over the Lebanese land, and they had a lot of them from American aid. So maybe they finally got rid of them? And what? money does not smell like Jewish blood, and the Americans have shared the technology

    This is a prohibited ammunition they are stuffed with Israeli rockets. Minesweeper clearly names them in the video, Lars160, Laura, Barak ...
    1. Dmitry Donskoy
      Dmitry Donskoy 4 October 2020 16: 55 New
      +6
      They don't lie like that in hunting, fishing and war. request
      1. Revolver
        Revolver 4 October 2020 18: 59 New
        +3
        Quote: Dmitry Donskoy
        They don't lie like that in hunting, fishing and war. request

        In general, this is a distorted quote from Bismarck, and in the original it was "They never lie so much as after a hunt, during a war, and before an election."
    2. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 4 October 2020 18: 53 New
      +7
      Cluster munitions are not prohibited by any international convention.
      They are used by the armies of the USA, Russia, China, and other countries.
      Another thing is that they are ineffective.
      1. Maz
        Maz 6 October 2020 19: 02 New
        0
        Quote: voyaka uh
        Cluster munitions are not prohibited by any international convention.
        They are used by the armies of the USA, Russia, China, and other countries.
        Another thing is that they are ineffective.

        Yes, but only on military sites, and here along the streets of the city, residential areas ... Then let's put an ineffective cassette player on the Telavvi beach on Shabbat at twelve o'clock?, And then listen to how you will moan and cry about what it is all conceivable boundaries, about what is forbidden, ayyay, oh oh oh, damned falestinaim ... let the Palestinians try. And we will consider your claims to the convention. AND? Wow, it'll be messy. it's called crocodile tears, a warrior and others like him ..
    3. Avior
      Avior 4 October 2020 21: 07 New
      +3
      ... on the use of cluster munitions prohibited by the convention

      They are not very forbidden.
      Israel, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Russia, China, USA, India and many others did not sign this convention and did not join it.
      1. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 4 October 2020 23: 38 New
        +1
        This is a very familiar character to me in Israel. Chel unknown to anyone else in another country, talks about the glorious military Russian / Ukrainian / Soviet past. Nobody knows him personally at the forum either, so you can write a lot about your experience of fighting the Mujahideen in the jungles of North Korea. And relying on your authority, spread fakes about prohibited ammunition.
        1. Avior
          Avior 5 October 2020 00: 00 New
          +3
          Actually, there is a convention banning cluster munitions.
          https://www.un.org/ru/documents/decl_conv/conventions/cluster_munitions.shtml
          But it does not prohibit all types of cluster munitions and prohibits them only for states that have signed the convention.
          https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Конвенция_по_кассетным_боеприпасам
          This does not apply to Israel or Azerbaijan, as well as China, Russia, the USA, Armenia and many other countries.
          1. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar 5 October 2020 00: 34 New
            0
            Yes, that's it.
            Quote: Avior

            https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Конвенция_по_кассетным_боеприпасам
            This does not apply to Israel or Azerbaijan, as well as China, Russia, the USA, Armenia and many other countries.

            And a person who served as a career officer in the Russian army should have known this - at least about the Russian Federation and his country of residence.
    4. Maz
      Maz 6 October 2020 18: 55 New
      0
      ABOUT! less than a day has passed. As my guess was confirmed ..... Amnesty International announced the use of banned Israeli-made M095 DPICM cluster shells during shelling of residential buildings in Stepanakert by the Azerbaijani Armed Forces
  • Interlocutor
    Interlocutor 4 October 2020 16: 59 New
    +2
    Another Transport worker from Israel flies to Baku. ⚡️Did the bq for "Laura", kamikaze dons, UAVs or other Israeli MLRS, which are used to surround the peaceful quarters of Stepanakert? Sixth since the beginning of last week. Shaw, Aizer's money does not smell like Jewish blood?


    Maybe they are taking tourists ... winked
  • Aaron Zawi
    Aaron Zawi 4 October 2020 17: 55 New
    +3
    Quote: Maz
    Another Transport worker from Israel flies to Baku. ⚡️Did the bq for "Laura", kamikaze dons, UAVs or other Israeli MLRS, which are used to surround the peaceful quarters of Stepanakert? Sixth since the beginning of last week. Shaw, Aizer's money does not smell like Jewish blood?

    So Laura was just one shot.
  • Terrible GMO
    Terrible GMO 4 October 2020 18: 27 New
    +7
    Quote: Maz
    ... Shaw, Aizer's money does not smell like Jewish blood?

    When weapons were sold to Azerbaijan, did they smell too? RF sold weapons to all parties to the conflict.
    1. Avior
      Avior 4 October 2020 21: 09 New
      +4
      You are not right.
      They sold it to Azerbaijan.
      Armenia was lent. Someday they will, probably.
  • Hypertension
    Hypertension 4 October 2020 18: 52 New
    0
    Quote: Maz
    Another Transport worker from Israel flies to Baku. Out of bk for Laura, kamikaze dons, UAVs or other Israeli MLRS, which are used to surround the peaceful quarters of Stepanakert? Sixth since the beginning of last week. Shaw, Aizer's money does not smell like Jewish blood?

    Smells, does not smell, but the transporter is flying from the BC? So the database will continue. And what does Jewish blood have to do with it? Armenian and Azerbaijani blood ...
    1. andreykolesov123
      andreykolesov123 5 October 2020 10: 03 New
      +1
      Quote: Hyperion
      And what does Jewish blood have to do with it?

      Well, the idea is a fix for a person, he hates Jews, but he lives in Israel. Goes crazy on the quiet. a typical loser, but everyone is to blame.
  • Misha Honest
    Misha Honest 4 October 2020 19: 19 New
    -5
    Recently it became sad VO - I read one nonsense. Everyone is against the war with the Turks. Only you forget one "trifle" - if Armenia loses - there will be no Russian Base there, And there will be only pro-Turkish NATO bases. And there will also be a bunch of Syrian bandits on the border with Dagestan ... Or maybe an organization banned in the Russian Federation ...
    So what kind of garbage do we suffer in Syria if we have chaos ...?
    Plus - don't forget that Armenia is a CSTO country. So will there still be at least a part of those countries that trust the Russian Federation ?!
    In short, if we are again (again! what ) we will not take active action in the south - consider that NATO is now officially clamping down on us from the south. And this is a complete displeasure for Putin! negative
    1. URAL72
      URAL72 4 October 2020 19: 43 New
      -1
      Mouse! (I call my son that, he is also Misha). While Armenia is not being touched, the CSTO is not in business. Even Armenia itself does not recognize NGOs. Legally, we shouldn't interfere. Armenia will enter the war, even the first, then yes.
      R.S. Don't touch Putin! He's smarter than you and me combined.
    2. dauria
      dauria 4 October 2020 19: 56 New
      0
      Plus - don't forget that Armenia is a CSTO country.

      As in a joke - "Yes, I would have helped Abram win the lottery long ago, but let him buy at least one lottery ticket"
      Armenia did not come to the war, that's bad luck.
    3. APASUS
      APASUS 4 October 2020 20: 05 New
      +3
      Quote: Misha Honest
      Only you forget one "trifle" - if Armenia loses - there will be no Russian Base there, And there will be only pro-Turkish NATO bases.

      Who told you that the Azerbaijanis need Armenia and they want to conquer it?
      1. Misha Honest
        Misha Honest 4 October 2020 23: 51 New
        0
        Quote: APASUS
        Who told you that the Azerbaijanis need Armenia and they want to conquer it?

        Azerbaijanis don't need Armenia, at least the whole thing - the Turks need it. (you are too naive)
    4. Avior
      Avior 4 October 2020 21: 10 New
      +2
      Armenia will not lose, since it does not participate in the war.
      The fighting is taking place exclusively on the territory of Azerbaijan.
      1. Misha Honest
        Misha Honest 4 October 2020 23: 52 New
        0
        Quote: Avior
        Armenia will not lose, since it does not participate in the war.
        The fighting is taking place exclusively on the territory of Azerbaijan.

        Today - on the territory of Karabakh, tomorrow in Armenia, and the day after tomorrow - in the Russian Federation ...
        1. Avior
          Avior 5 October 2020 00: 25 New
          +2
          And after the day after tomorrow, in the whole galaxy?
          Let's dwell on what is real - battles are going on only on the territory of Azerbaijan, and what will happen tomorrow - tomorrow and we'll talk ...
          1. Misha Honest
            Misha Honest 6 October 2020 05: 14 New
            0
            Quote: Avior
            and what will happen tomorrow, tomorrow and we'll talk ...

            If you want peace, prepare for war. request
  • Pissarro
    Pissarro 4 October 2020 20: 09 New
    0
    Just technically wondering how these transports fly?
    Obviously not through Iran, not through the Russian Federation, Georgia also declared neutrality and does not allow military supplies through its territory. How does Israel do it?
  • Coconut
    Coconut 4 October 2020 16: 08 New
    +5
    Vraki on both sides ... winked
    1. Orange bigg
      Orange bigg 4 October 2020 16: 14 New
      0
      So what do you want? Oriental tales.
  • Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 4 October 2020 16: 13 New
    +3
    "... nowhere do they lie so much as in war and hunting" Bismarck.
    1. newcomer
      newcomer 4 October 2020 16: 20 New
      +1
      Disinformation is a weapon for war, I would say even weapons of mass destruction.
    2. Sergey_G_M
      Sergey_G_M 4 October 2020 16: 21 New
      10
      While weak, the Ukrainians fought more seriously, there were Pskov paratroopers, and hordes of Buryat tankers and much more, so that the Armenians and Azerbaijanis still have to fight and fight until the Ukrainian indicators of destroyed enemies.
    3. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin 4 October 2020 16: 22 New
      +2
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      "... nowhere do they lie so much as in love, hunting and war.

      Not so long ago, an article on VO was how the zaluzhniki downplayed the losses of their planes and exaggerated the losses of their stripes during the Korean War
      And they still do it
      1. Hypertension
        Hypertension 4 October 2020 18: 56 New
        +3
        Quote: Lipchanin
        Not so long ago, an article on VO was how the zaluzhniki downplayed the losses of their planes and exaggerated the losses of their stripes during the Korean War
        And they still do it

        Everybody does it. "Blood stains and traces of dragging" ...
    4. Revolver
      Revolver 4 October 2020 19: 00 New
      +1
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      They never lie as much as after a hunt, during a war, and before an election.

      In general, this is a distorted quote from Bismarck, and in the original it was "They never lie so much as after a hunt, during a war, and before an election."
  • Mik1701
    Mik1701 4 October 2020 16: 27 New
    +2
    Iran finally said its word
    "" Tehran appealed to Armenia and Azerbaijan with a demand to prevent the violation of its state border during the clashes. As stated by the representative of the Iranian Foreign Ministry Sayed Khatibzadeh, all parties must take the necessary measures. Iran is now closely monitoring the situation on its borders.

    He also called on the countries to respect the territorial integrity of Azerbaijan and stop hostilities.

    Iran has previously shot down drones flying into its territory several times. "
    1. Alena-Baku
      Alena-Baku 4 October 2020 16: 33 New
      -22 qualifying.
      Iran cannot be envied, the conquered territories border on Iran and their loyalty to the Armenians will be reminded of them. In that direction, the population of Iran is Azerbaijanis so for info.
      1. Odysseus
        Odysseus 4 October 2020 16: 50 New
        10
        Quote: Alena-Baku
        Iran cannot be envied, the conquered territories border on Iran and their loyalty to the Armenians will be reminded of them. In that direction, the population of Iran is Azerbaijanis so for info.

        And what is the special loyalty? They have always confirmed the territorial integrity of Azerbaijan. Although, of course, the status quo is more beneficial to them. They do not need an excessive strengthening of Turkey in the region. It is difficult to accuse Iran of following its own interests.
        1. Alena-Baku
          Alena-Baku 4 October 2020 18: 00 New
          -10 qualifying.
          only in words, according to their filing, Shusha was lost, all the armaments of Armenia are being eaten through Iran, the network is full of videos being filmed by Azerbaijanis living there. 35 million Azerbaijanis and more than one school, Azerbaijanis are the archilesian heel of Iran.
          1. genisis
            genisis 4 October 2020 18: 11 New
            12
            And who do you think are the "Azerbaijanis" in Iran? ))) I have never met a single Iranian who would call himself “Azerbaijani”.
            Can you explain what kind of nation this "Azerbaijani" is? I know that Lezgins, Avars, Udins, Tsukhurs, Rutuls, Tats, Talyshs, Kurds, Turks of different tribes live in Azerbaijan, but I don’t know who the “Azerbaijanis” are. It is as if the citizens of the Russian Federation call themselves by nationality "Russian", or, to make it clearer, "Russian". For example, a Lezgin living in Russian Dagestan calls himself a Lezghin, and his brother, who lives in Azerbaijan, unexpectedly becomes an Azerbaijani. Isn't it a miracle? ))
            Here's a little more funny propaganda from Azerbaijan.

            The post promises a video, without the video itself, in which a man from the territory of Iran is filming a bridge in Jabrayil, "captured" by the Azerbaijanis. Just one question. And what prevented him from removing this bridge from the territory of Iran earlier, without waiting for the "capture" of Jebrail by Askar Aliyev? ))
            1. Alena-Baku
              Alena-Baku 4 October 2020 18: 35 New
              -11 qualifying.
              in Azerbaijan all citizens of Azerbaijan and Iranian Turks consider themselves southern Azerbaijan.
            2. Svidetel
              Svidetel 4 October 2020 19: 02 New
              -4
              And in your opinion "Russian" is a nationality? In what people is nationality designated by an adjective? You, sir, are Armenian, not Armenian! And another question for you, why did the valiant Armenians for 70 years under Soviet rule not raise the issue of NKR? Was everything okay? They got married, married each other, did business together), and then suddenly, once, they remembered about the most ancient lands. Not like a man, you know ...
              1. genisis
                genisis 4 October 2020 19: 28 New
                +4
                You should tighten up the materiel. The issue of the ownership of Nagorno-Karabakh by the Armenians was raised several times during the Soviet era.
                Do you know why this question arose in general in the atmosphere of Soviet friendship between peoples? Moreover, the term “friendship of peoples” is used by me without sarcasm, because I believe that only in the absence of private ownership of instruments of labor and means of production is it possible for people to develop on planet Earth. So, at the dawn of Soviet power, when Nakhichevan and Nagorno-Karabakh were included in the AzSSR, 40% of Armenians lived in the territory of Nakhichevan. However, the Azerbaijani political leaders used certain tricks to promote the friendship of peoples in words, and in fact, to oust the Armenians from the territory of their residence. For example, roads between Armenian villages were laid only through Azerbaijani ones, even if this extended the road by ten kilometers. There were no universities with teaching in the Armenian language, so that Armenians left to enter the territory of the Armenian SSR and settled there. A few years later, Nakhichevan was declared a closed, border zone that could not be visited. That is, it was impossible to come and visit relatives. Prosecutors, chiefs of the ROVD and secretaries of district committees were only Azerbaijanis. As a result of these actions, according to the 1978 census, less than 1% of Armenians remained in Nakhichevan. We can say in the size of the statistical error. Exactly the same actions, Heydar Aliyev took in relation to NKAO.
                It was the realization that the Armenians would eventually simply be squeezed out of their native land and was the cause of this conflict.
            3. Hypertension
              Hypertension 4 October 2020 19: 05 New
              +1
              Quote: genisis
              Can you explain what kind of nation this "Azerbaijani" is?

              Does it make a difference who is now fighting against the NKR? Are they Azerbaijanis or Talysh and Tats? Don't you think that you have chosen the wrong moment for ethnology? Like Shakespeare: What does a name mean? A rose smells like a rose. Call it a rose though not.
              1. genisis
                genisis 4 October 2020 19: 41 New
                +2
                No offense to you, but you are talking about a subject that you do not know.
                For a Russian, your train of thought is absolutely correct. But Azerbaijan is not Russia. That is why, in the first war of 1991-1994, that now Azerbaijan is throwing the Lezgins, Avars and Talysh into the Armenian positions in the forefront, thus solving two problems. The first is that the shed blood angered the indigenous inhabitants of the Armenian highlands, who for centuries lived peacefully on this land before the Turks appeared there. Second, a decrease in the number of the most valuable, reproductive population of Azerbaijan from among the indigenous inhabitants of these lands, so that in the future the national liberation struggle of the indigenous people of Azerbaijan against the Turks does not have a strong base of active, young men.
                1. Hypertension
                  Hypertension 4 October 2020 21: 22 New
                  +2
                  Quote: genisis
                  now Azerbaijan is throwing the Lezgins, Avars and Talysh on the Armenian positions in the forefront,

                  How is this determined? I don't think that Armenians have time in between battles to conduct research on the nationalities of their opponents.
                  Quote: genisis
                  Second, a decrease in the number of the most valuable, reproductive population of Azerbaijan from among the indigenous inhabitants of these lands, so that in the future the national liberation struggle of the indigenous people of Azerbaijan against the Turks does not have a strong base of active, young men.

                  Very similar to propaganda.
                  And again, I think this is not the time for ethnography. After - may be necessary for counting war crimes.
      2. Livonetc
        Livonetc 4 October 2020 16: 58 New
        +1
        Quote: Alena-Baku
        Iran cannot be envied, the conquered territories border on Iran and their loyalty to the Armenians will be reminded of them. In that direction, the population of Iran is Azerbaijanis so for info.

        The fact that there is an ethnic Azeri population can play a bad role.
      3. nnm
        nnm 4 October 2020 17: 24 New
        +2
        You are a little mistaken - just the same, Azerbaijanis belong to the peoples of the Iranian group))
        1. Revolver
          Revolver 4 October 2020 19: 02 New
          +1
          Quote: nnm
          Azerbaijanis belong to the peoples of the Iranian group

          And not Turkic ???
          1. nnm
            nnm 4 October 2020 19: 12 New
            0
            Türkic is a linguistic group, Iranian is a group of peoples. like so. Wikipedia says that 650 thousand Azerbaijanis belong to the Iranian group of peoples.
          2. Oquzyurd
            Oquzyurd 4 October 2020 20: 12 New
            -3
            Do not believe these people. Writing that Azerbaijanis are only Turkic speaking but they are not Turki, continuing the course of those empires that divided Azerbaijan and its people. These empires did not calm down with the division, they decided to mentally tear the Azerbaijanis away from the Turkic world, forcing the idea that they were like Azerbaijanis. Turkic-speaking non-Turki)
      4. Pavlos Melas
        Pavlos Melas 5 October 2020 00: 36 New
        0
        And in the south of Azerbaijan there are Iranian-speaking Talysh. Wouldn't the Persians use the reason to support them in this situation?
        1. Oquzyurd
          Oquzyurd 5 October 2020 05: 24 New
          +2
          Talysh are loyal citizens of Azerbaijan, they love their country, they are fighting the occupier on the front line, they know, like everyone else, these mullahs from Iran and their hypocrisy. Azerbaijanis, all ethnic groups, Turks, Lezgins, Talysh, Kurds, Russians, Tatars, Tats, Udins, etc. gathered like a fist around their state, they are fighting together against the occupier.
    2. Hypertension
      Hypertension 4 October 2020 18: 59 New
      0
      Quote: Mik1701
      He also called on the countries to respect the territorial integrity of Azerbaijan and stop hostilities.

      Mutually exclusive paragraphs in action ... So Karabakh as the territory of Azerbaijan is recognized practically all over the world. Even in Russia.
  • Odysseus
    Odysseus 4 October 2020 16: 34 New
    +2
    Azerbaijan announced the capture of Jabrail. It's in the south. Where they have the greatest success. No video confirmation yet. If the truth is, and the tanks come out in the south to a relative operational space, then Armenia will have big problems on this flank. There is the prospect of entering the rear of the main grouping of troops.
    As for the shelling of cities, this is a strange tactic on the part of Armenia. They used them from the first day, such a PR attack on Kirovabad is due to the fact that for the first time the target is military (though they showed arrivals only for peaceful ones). Why are they doing this clearly - they want to provoke shelling of Armenia proper and then ask for the entry of Russian troops.
    But this is a very transparent strategy, and the enemy only angers and prolongs the war, which is not in the interests of Armenia.
    If people in the general staff of Azerbaijan are thinking, they will not lead to this.
    1. newcomer
      newcomer 4 October 2020 16: 49 New
      +2
      There is a version that Azerbaijan wants to cut off the southern isthmus of Armenia, to Nakhichevan. Thus, Turkey (!) Will take control of the Armenian-Iranian border. In the event of this operation, the PA can extinguish the light.
      By the way, colleague, the shelling of the territory of the Republic of Armenia has already been and does not stop.
      1. Odysseus
        Odysseus 4 October 2020 16: 54 New
        +2
        Quote: newbie
        There is a version that Azerbaijan wants to cut off the southern isthmus of Armenia, to Nakhichevan.

        Rather, to the Armenian border, followed by a turn to the north and cutting the Lachin corridor. Then the NK can give up.
        An attack on the territory of Armenia proper in order to reach Nakhichevan will immediately make Azerbaijan an aggressor and provoke a war with Russia. I don't think they will go for it.
        1. newcomer
          newcomer 4 October 2020 16: 58 New
          +3
          This is in the interests of Azerbaijan.
          I described the version in the interests of Turkey. The Turks absolutely do not give a damn about the actions around Karabakh, they prefer full control of the Caucasus, plus to score "chips" on Iran's access to Armenia, thereby the Turks are killing two birds with one stone.
      2. the finish
        the finish 4 October 2020 17: 06 New
        +2
        There are Russian border guards at this site. How will they do it? How is it in Ossetia?
        1. newcomer
          newcomer 4 October 2020 17: 08 New
          +1
          So they can simply bypass the thin "trickle" of the border together with the border guards, without touching them.
          But I hope MO RA is not completely blind.
    2. genisis
      genisis 4 October 2020 16: 58 New
      +6
      1) Dzhabrail was taken in the same way as Matagiz yesterday. But if Aliyev himself sat in a puddle with Matagiz, when the askers left their positions and retreated after his statement, then Dzhabrail was entrusted to the Twitter of the Turkish Defense Ministry, who referred to a "reliable Azerbaijani source." It's like "the dumb one told that the deaf one heard how the blind one saw that the legless one was running."
      2) The blow to Gandzak was inflicted after numerous shelling of Stepanakert and other cities of Artsakh. The blow was struck at the airport from which the attack drones take off. Today, Artsakh President Araik Harutyunyan made a statement that the criminal actions of the Azerbaijani Armed Forces led to the Defense Army attacking military targets, even if Azerbaijan placed them next to civilian objects.
      3) “Thinking people in the General Staff of Azerbaijan” have repeatedly given the order to shell the Vardeni region directly in the Republic of Armenia. So you don't need to provoke them.
      1. Odysseus
        Odysseus 4 October 2020 17: 11 New
        +4
        Quote: genisis
        1) Dzhabrail was taken in the same way as Matagiz yesterday. But if Aliyev himself sat in a puddle with Matagiz, when the askers left their positions and retreated after his statement, then Dzhabrail was entrusted to the Twitter of the Turkish Defense Ministry, who referred to a "reliable Azerbaijani source". It's like "the dumb one told that the deaf one heard the blind one saw that the legless one was running."

        Okay, let's wait for confirmation.
        Quote: genisis
        2) The blow to Gandzak was inflicted after numerous shelling of Stepanakert and other cities of Artsakh. The blow was struck at the airport from which the attack drones take off. Today, Artsakh President Araik Harutyunyan made a statement that the criminal actions of the Azerbaijani Armed Forces led to the Defense Army attacking military targets, even if Azerbaijan placed them next to civilian objects.

        There is a small problem here. Armenia occupies the territory of Azerbaijan, but not vice versa. This is a fact confirmed by countless UN resolutions. So blaming Azerbaijan here is like blaming the Soviet army for shelling Soviet cities captured by the Nazi invaders during the Second World War. I hope you are not one of those people?
        And then the shelling of peaceful cities and towns began from the very first day of the war. Today first time the goal was at least formally military. From my point of view, this is a very stupid strategy. Not to mention anti-humanity.
        Quote: genisis
        3) “Thinking people in the General Staff of Azerbaijan” have repeatedly given the order to shell the Vardeni region directly in the Republic of Armenia. So you don't need to provoke them.

        There is a difference, the shelling from the UAV in response to artillery shelling, and the Tornado attack on the cities in the rear. This is exactly what they provoke.
        P / S. Not only am I not Azerbaijan, but I do not support them in this insane conflict generated by nationalism and the rejection of Soviet power.
        It is all the more painful to see how Count Pashinyan is confidently leading Armenia to a national catastrophe.
        1. _Ugene_
          _Ugene_ 4 October 2020 17: 30 New
          +5
          There is a small problem here. Armenia occupies the territory of Azerbaijan, but not vice versa. This is a fact confirmed by countless UN resolutions.
          The UN and Crimea are recognized as occupied by Russia, do you also agree with that? Or will we refer to the UN here, but here we will not, because it is unprofitable?
          UN General Assembly Resolution A / RES / 68/262 on the territorial integrity of Ukraine is a document adopted on March 27, 2014 as a result of an open vote at the 80th plenary meeting of the 68th session of the UN General Assembly. According to the resolution, the UNGA confirms the sovereignty and territorial integrity of Ukraine within its internationally recognized borders and does not recognize the legality of any change in the status of the Autonomous Republic of Crimea and the status of the city of Sevastopol, based on the results of the all-Crimean referendum held on March 16, 2014, since this referendum , according to this resolution, has no legal force.
          Of the 193 UN member countries, 100 voted in favor, 11 voted against, 58 abstained, and 24 did not vote.
          1. Alena-Baku
            Alena-Baku 4 October 2020 20: 05 New
            -5
            soon they will reach Yerevan and you are engaged in audio training.
          2. Odysseus
            Odysseus 4 October 2020 21: 56 New
            0
            Quote: _Ugene_
            The UN and Crimea are recognized as occupied by Russia, do you also agree with that? Or will we refer to the UN here, but here we will not, because it is unprofitable?

            This is a good example. There will be no double standards. But the situations are different
            Karabakh was taken by force in spite of both Soviet laws and international law, taken from the legitimate government, moreover, 7 regions were taken that do not belong to Karabakh at all, plus the total expulsion of the entire Azerbaijani population.
            Crimea - taken after the coup in Ukraine. In Kiev, the new government won, it won in a revolutionary way — excellent, but then there is no reason to obey this new government. People have the right to be constituted in relation to her. This is exactly what was indicated in the decision of the Supreme Council of Crimea. International law does not regulate such cases. They relate to relations within states. It only regulates the result (as was the case with the collapse of the USSR)
            It's another matter that since 2014 I have been swearing at the absolutely erroneous decision of Mr Putin on the recognition of the new Ukrainian authorities made under the influence of his beloved Western partners.
            It was necessary: ​​either to wear panties, or to remove the cross. Either recognize the rights of all regions of Ukraine to self-determination without recognizing the new government, or not include Crimea in the Russian Federation.
            With the approach adopted by the Russian authorities, it turned out that we see here, we do not see here. You have to refer to the right of nations to self-determination and the will of the people, which is good, but not enough. And yes it turned out that Crimea was officially occupied.
            PS Plus also the fact that within the framework of real-political Russia, taking Crimea can protect and develop it. Let it squeak, but it can. Armenia is not Karabakh. This has nothing to do with the law, it's just a fact.
            1. _Ugene_
              _Ugene_ 4 October 2020 22: 59 New
              0
              But the situations are different Karabakh - taken by force in spite of both Soviet laws and international law
              From the point of view of international law, the situations are not different, it is from your point of view that they are different. From the point of view of international law, there are UN General Assembly Resolutions which in both cases recognize the same thing, and everything else is just chatter.
              It was necessary: ​​either to wear panties, or to remove the cross. Either recognize the rights of all regions of Ukraine to self-determination without recognizing the new government, or not include Crimea in the Russian Federation.
              a purely pragmatic approach, Crimea was accepted for quite understandable reasons - from the point of view of geopolitics, we could not give it to NATO, and what for the rest of Ukraine? let them figure it out, we don't need this
              1. Odysseus
                Odysseus 4 October 2020 23: 52 New
                0
                Quote: _Ugene_
                From the point of view of international law, the situations are not different, it is from your point of view that they are different. From the point of view of international law, there are UN General Assembly Resolutions which in both cases recognize the same thing, and everything else is just chatter.

                I did not write that the situations are different from the point of view of international law. I wrote that they are essentially different. From the point of view of international law you are right, the situation is the same.
                Quote: _Ugene_
                a purely pragmatic approach, Crimea was accepted for quite understandable reasons - from the point of view of geopolitics, we could not give it to NATO, and what for the rest of Ukraine? let them figure it out, we don't need this

                No need to pass off a need for virtue. This is not a "pragmatic approach", but greed obsessed with cowardice and stupidity. To give completely all of Ukraine to the West, taking Crimea for oneself, and even in such a way that Russia is considered an occupier, Crimea itself has become a black hole consuming resources, despite the fact that even Russian companies do not recognize it, and the Russian people in Donbass are shot like in a dash because they find themselves living in Maidan Ukraine is, of course, a very wise strategy.
                1. _Ugene_
                  _Ugene_ 5 October 2020 10: 25 New
                  0
                  Need not be passed off as a virtue.
                  where did I pass it off as a virtue? I wrote - purely pragmatic approach
                  a pragmatist is a person who builds his own system of actions and views on life in the aspect of obtaining practically useful results

                  taking Crimea for itself, and in such a way that Russia was considered an occupier
                  Are you so naive that you think we would be allowed to pick it up differently, according to all international law? either somehow or not how, and it had to be resolved quickly, there was not much time, and it was done correctly in terms of the pros and cons for the country, or history will judge incorrectly, it is too early to judge
                  and the Russian people in Donbass are shot as if they were in a dash because they end up living in Maidan Ukraine, this is, of course, a very wise strategy
                  I agree that I feel sorry for the Russian people in Donbass, but you need to understand that this is done again from the point of view of obtaining benefits for the whole country, and therefore for each of its residents individually, and not for the leader personally, the country's leadership is primarily obliged to think about its own citizens
        2. genisis
          genisis 4 October 2020 17: 35 New
          +6
          I hope that before continuing the dialogue, you will read the UN resolutions to which you are referring, and you will no longer declare that the UN has ever stuttered about the occupation of anything by Armenia. I am sure that the text of the resolutions is unfamiliar to you, you have taken the Azerbaijani statements on faith. UN resolutions asked the Republic of Armenia to influence the Armenian population of the Nagorno-Karabakh region.
          The network already has a video of Azerbaijani troops fleeing from the vicinity of Matagiz. But only yesterday the flag was raised there on camera.
          Stepanakert is being hollowed with the Tornado from the territory of Azerbaijan for the fourth day. Shushi was shelled today. Martakert, Hadrut, the list goes on. What military targets did the Azerbaijani military try to destroy there?
          As for Pashinyan, you, as well as a large number of Russian citizens, think that the personality of the President of Armenia can somehow influence the course of hostilities. This is not true. This war is Patriotic for Armenians. You do not realize, but the Armenians are well aware that this conflict is existential. Either the Armenians will win the war, or they will no longer be on this land.
          And in a sense, by starting this war, Aliyev did the Armenians a favor, because they could not attack first, and it was necessary to defeat the main forces of the enemy, otherwise there would be no peace.
          1. Odysseus
            Odysseus 4 October 2020 21: 36 New
            +2
            Quote: genisis
            ... I am sure that the text of the resolutions is unfamiliar to you, you have taken the Azerbaijani statements on faith. UN resolutions asked the Republic of Armenia to influence the Armenian population of the Nagorno-Karabakh region.

            The text of the resolutions clearly states that Karabakh and especially the 7 regions around it are the territory of Azerbaijan. Actually it is recognized even by Armenia itself, which did not recognize NK.
            Why argue with the facts?
            Quote: genisis
            What military targets did the Azerbaijani military try to destroy there?

            The fact of deliberate shelling of civilians is, of course, a war crime. But here they always answer - we liberate our land, and the Armenian military is specially based nearby. Armenia is deprived of the opportunity to say this, while the real military value of shelling settlements north of Karabakh is zero.
            Quote: genisis
            This war is Patriotic for Armenians. You do not realize, but the Armenians perfectly understand that this conflict is existential

            Well, what a Patriotic war, dear genisis, why are these loud words stunning air, and not the interlocutor? The war is going on on the territory of Azerbaijan, no one claims to Armenia, and is not going to destroy the Armenians. I have repeatedly visited Armenia and directly told my Armenian friends, well, you took this territory, but you cannot keep and develop it, go to a compromise, give up 7 regions, they have nothing to do with Karabakh at all, plus a postponed status Karabakh. They fought, but in the end they agreed. This was the position of the Armenian leadership (at least formally). But after Count Pashinyan came to power, a series of insane and aggressive statements followed, which finally buried the hope for peace.
            Quote: genisis
            And in a sense, by starting this war, Aliyev did the Armenians a favor, because they could not attack first, and it was necessary to defeat the main forces of the enemy, otherwise there would be no peace.

            Let's take the most favorable option for Armenians. Azerbaijan's offensive will end right now, that is, they will take only 5-15 km in the north and south and press the "Ohanyan line" in a couple of places. The result is still deplorable. Half of the army must be restored anew, the defensive lines and the defense line must be restored in the same way, Karabakh must be restored. There is no money for this. Azerbaijan, taking advantage of its economic and demographic superiority, will be able to repeat it in six months and in a year.
            Now Armenia will not be able to get acceptable peace terms
            1. genisis
              genisis 5 October 2020 00: 18 New
              0
              1) I disputed your wording that Armenia occupied something there. From the UN point of view, the conflict has two sides: Azerbaijan and the Armenians of the Nagorno-Karabakh region. So why argue with the facts? I am not telling you that the resolutions do not say that these are the lands of Azerbaijan. I just assert that no one blames Armenia for their occupation.
              2) Why do you always use the definition that Armenia is directly involved in this conflict? The Defense Army of Artsakh protects its citizens of Armenian nationality, having every right to do so. After all, it is precisely with its citizens of Armenian nationality that Azerbaijan cannot resolve the issue, since it could not coerce them by force.
              3) I realized my omission. The Patriotic War is not in the sense of a war for the Fatherland, as for the land, but in the sense of a war for the right of the Fatherland to be. Do you think Azerbaijan will be content with the regions that used to be part of it? Aliyev said bluntly that he needed all of Karabakh. Both Nagorny and Plain. This means that there is no place for Armenians there. For none of the Armenians have any illusions about the possibility of life in Azerbaijan. In parallel, I will be happy to get acquainted with your point of view regarding the Shahumyan and part of the Mardakert regions, which were part of the NKAO, but are currently under the control of Azerbaijan. They will return to Nagorno-Karabakh, what do you think? Will Azerbaijan voluntarily give them to Nagorno-Karabakh, whose independence Aliyev does not even want? As for Berdzor (formerly Lachin), this is also a part of Nagorno-Karabakh, within the boundaries that were determined when the NKAO was created in 1921. Then, by the Jesuit decision of Heydar Aliyev, this land was withdrawn from the NKAO to create Red Kurdistan on it. After a few months of existence, Red Kurdistan was abolished, and the territory was included in the AzSSR. Thus, the NKAO was deprived of land contact with the Armenian SSR. Nobody will give this territory to Azerbaijan, because it means complete encirclement. Thus, the return of any territories to Azerbaijan is possible only if Azerbaijan recognizes the independence of Nagorno-Karabakh. And in this sense, it does not matter at all what surname the President of the Republic of Armenia has: Pashinyan, Sargsyan or Kocharyan. Even if Ivanyan.
              4) Sorry, but we see a favorable outcome in different ways. This is not about stopping the Azerbaijani offensive. A favorable outcome is an outcome in which peace will come. And it will come when the Army of Defense of Artsakh defeats the main forces of the enemy and forces him to peace on the terms of the Armenians. This war has only two possible endings, either the Armenians will win, or Armenia will cease to exist on the map. Therefore, the war is Patriotic for Armenians.
          2. _Ugene_
            _Ugene_ 4 October 2020 23: 13 New
            +1
            I hope that before continuing the dialogue, you will read the UN resolutions to which you are referring, and you will no longer declare that the UN has ever stuttered about the occupation of anything by Armenia.
            if the occupation by Armenia is not directly stated, then the disputed territories are spoken of as "occupied regions of the Azerbaijan Republic", "Nagorno-Karabakh region of the Azerbaijan Republic", etc., that is, they fully recognize this region as part of the territory of Azerbaijan and recognize that this territory is occupied, but are modestly silent by whom
  • ximkim
    ximkim 4 October 2020 16: 36 New
    0
    Information is confirmed or denied. The main thing is that the media should work and not be silent on the orders from there ↑.
  • Asad
    Asad 4 October 2020 16: 41 New
    0
    The civilian population wasn’t evacuated !? I watched the video where the bridge was hooked and did not see the refugees.
  • Grandfather
    Grandfather 4 October 2020 16: 45 New
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    Colleague "Albay" is lost somewhere, his opinion is interesting.
    1. Asad
      Asad 4 October 2020 16: 49 New
      +2
      I agree, it's interesting to know his opinion.
    2. Livonetc
      Livonetc 4 October 2020 17: 01 New
      +1
      Quote: Dead Day
      Colleague "Albay" is lost somewhere, his opinion is interesting.

      If you look at the VO website from a computer, then the name Alibek is indicated.
      1. Grandfather
        Grandfather 4 October 2020 18: 29 New
        +1
        Quote: Livonetc

        If you look at the VO website from a computer, then the name Alibek is indicated.

        all the same, Alibek, did not appear.
        1. Livonetc
          Livonetc 4 October 2020 18: 46 New
          0
          He's on the site.
          Only he answered
  • Split
    Split 4 October 2020 16: 46 New
    -9
    1 day, the Germans knocked us out of the forest
    Day 2, we drove the Germans out of the forest ...
    .
    The forester came and drove both the Germans and us ...

    ZY It's time for the forester in the form of Russia and a couple of hundreds of tanks to intervene ... the States allow themselves, you need to follow the example
    1. Sergey_G_M
      Sergey_G_M 4 October 2020 17: 01 New
      +5
      How brave you are. If you want to interfere - intervene, get on a plane and fly to fight.
      It is easy to send soldiers into battle from the couch, and it is not clear why.
      1. Split
        Split 4 October 2020 17: 02 New
        -1
        I found Chechnya a little bit, so the problem is only on the plane
        1. Sergey_G_M
          Sergey_G_M 4 October 2020 17: 07 New
          +3
          No problem with the plane. I just watched 4 flights to Yerevan tomorrow and I don't want to fly 3 flights to Baku.
          1. Split
            Split 4 October 2020 17: 12 New
            -3
            A banquet at your expense, I hope?
            1. Sergey_G_M
              Sergey_G_M 4 October 2020 17: 17 New
              +3
              Well, again, something interferes with the "dancer".
              1. Split
                Split 4 October 2020 17: 21 New
                -4
                They always pay for work, if at 40 you are ready to do something not on call for free ... I take off my hat
    2. nnm
      nnm 4 October 2020 17: 06 New
      +5
      Why does Russia need it?
      1. Split
        Split 4 October 2020 17: 23 New
        +1
        Why do we need Syria?
        1. nnm
          nnm 4 October 2020 17: 30 New
          +2
          Starting from the possible control of the territory of adjoining countries (I think you understand which country is especially interesting) and the water area to the deployment of a naval base. Well, about the fact that it is better to fight with ISIS further from our borders, I think without words it is clear.
          And what will the intervention on either side of this conflict give?
          Azerbaijan is already pro-Turkish, Pashinyan actually survived Russia from the territory of Armenia. So why do our boys have to be foresters there?
          Yes, in a year Pashinyan will again take up the old. Nobody remembers good.
          1. Split
            Split 4 October 2020 17: 32 New
            +1
            You misunderstood the comment a little, we are in Syria and this is exactly why
            1. nnm
              nnm 4 October 2020 17: 41 New
              +3
              Once again, in Syria we are pursuing OUR goals, not others. What are the goals of Russia in Nagorno-Karabakh, in your opinion?
              Even Armenia itself did not officially recognize the NKR.
        2. Vadim237
          Vadim237 4 October 2020 17: 38 New
          0
          In Syria, they helped, at the request of a friendly government, and thousands more immigrants from Russia to destroy who became terrorists.
    3. Herman 4223
      Herman 4223 4 October 2020 17: 25 New
      +4
      What for? They are not eager to join the union state. Come as an occupier, so they will start cutting our kids' heads there.
      They will dispose of each other for a long time, this is a disaster, of course, but if they want independence, what can you do.
  • codetalker
    codetalker 4 October 2020 16: 53 New
    +1
    I would say that this is a circus, but only a circus is bloody ...
  • Livonetc
    Livonetc 4 October 2020 16: 55 New
    +1
    Quote: Alena-Baku
    So so. After reaching the state border, you should ask for indemnity for 26 years of occupation, for ethnic cleansing, for other damage and damage. Armenia is a beggar. They will pay in kind. I'm talking about Zangyazur. At the same time it will become our buffer from other nasty things and outposts in the future.

    Alyona.
    Please tell us more about Zangyazur.
    1. Mik1701
      Mik1701 4 October 2020 17: 14 New
      -4
      Historical background - Retreating at the beginning of 1918 from Western Armenia (Eastern Anatolia) in connection with the withdrawal of Russia from the First World War and the collapse of the Caucasian Front, Armenian volunteer armed formations under the command of Andranik brought up to 30 thousand Armenian refugees to the territory of Russian Armenia, mainly from Mush and Bitlis, who were threatened with death. Some of the refugees remained in Zangezur, while many others were settled in the neighboring Erivan and Sharuro-Daralagez districts, from where local Muslims were expelled [25].

      After the withdrawal of Turkish troops from Transcaucasia at the end of 1918, Armenian armed detachments under the command of Andranik in the territory of Zangezur continued ethnic cleansing and destruction of Muslim villages.
  • Livonetc
    Livonetc 4 October 2020 17: 07 New
    +7
    Photo from Ganja.
    It was allegedly posted by the Azerbaijani side but then erased.
    How reliable is not known.
    In the photo there is an officer with a Turkish chevron.

    Colonel Kassad resource
  • Petrol cutter
    Petrol cutter 4 October 2020 17: 08 New
    0
    Disinformation is our everything!
    It would also be necessary to throw in an idea about the mass death of fighters on both sides in light of the intensified coronavirus pandemic in the area of ​​hostilities.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 4 October 2020 17: 40 New
      -4
      And the video from Azerbaijani drones is enough for the eyes.
  • Garris199
    Garris199 4 October 2020 17: 46 New
    +4

    About losses. It seems to me alone that the Azerbaijani UAVs destroyed a bunch of inflatable dummies? After hitting the "tank" nothing remained, the fire is small. It is not for nothing that there is an Armenian-Polish plant in Armenia for the manufacture of inflatable equipment. Very similar.
  • Old26
    Old26 4 October 2020 18: 01 New
    +2
    Quote: Split
    ZY It's time for the forester in the form of Russia and a couple of hundreds of tanks to intervene ...

    Yeah, first, this couple of hundreds of tanks along the bottom of the Caspian Sea to Azerbaijan. Then 300 kilometers to Karabakh. Emerge there from the ground and intervene on the line of contact.
    How can you transfer a couple of hundred tanks to that zone? With a wave of your magic wand?
    1. Stils
      Stils 4 October 2020 19: 46 New
      -1
      And that from Dagestan to NK are absolutely bad roads for tanks?
  • K-50
    K-50 4 October 2020 18: 20 New
    +2
    Until they get drunk on the cow, like hungry ghouls, they will not calm down. And all appeals to peace will be lost in vain.
    They put them on the peace house, there the local kings leaped zealously, vanity must be amused. sad
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  • Gunther
    Gunther 4 October 2020 19: 09 New
    +2
    it is obvious that "terrible consequences for Baku" - start to iron Baku with "Iskaanders", which will lead to the realization of Rejeperdogan's threats.
  • Andrey Mironov_rus
    Andrey Mironov_rus 4 October 2020 19: 13 New
    +5
    A question for specialists. How can you evaluate the effectiveness of tanks in such conflicts? From the side of the Armenians, the main damage (judging by the video) is caused by guns and artillery, on the other hand, again, artillery and drones. The number of lost tanks goes into dozens, their cost is high, but how are you doing with their actual benefits?

    ps I wonder if at least one tank knocked out any enemy equipment during the battles?
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 4 October 2020 19: 53 New
      +8
      Before offensives (or counterattacks), both sides
      strive to destroy as much enemy equipment as possible,
      without incurring losses of manpower. Normal tactics.
      Tanks are ineffective during this period.
      They will be needed to support infantry attacks. And for breakthroughs in defense.
      Whoever will have them with further active actions will have
      great advantage.
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    1. The eye of the crying
      The eye of the crying 4 October 2020 22: 15 New
      +2
      Just curious - was there no Erzurum massacre either?
    2. Garris199
      Garris199 5 October 2020 03: 17 New
      +1
      Well, in short, the Armenians cut themselves and expelled from the entire Ottoman Empire, then they also cut others (why would?) Wai wai. And the Turks are sovsem drooling innocent. I do not cherish a special love for Armenians, but what some people write here cannot be put on my head.
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    1. huntsman650
      huntsman650 4 October 2020 23: 54 New
      +2
      What will you do with them when you capture them? Reeducate?
    2. TriA
      TriA 5 October 2020 00: 54 New
      +8
      Judging by your comment, you are a real Nazi and racist.
    3. BastaKarapuzik And
      BastaKarapuzik And 5 October 2020 16: 48 New
      0
      This is interethnic strife, it's scary to imagine where it might lead.
      Therefore, there is an element of lies when they say that we are simply solving the territorial issue. Legally, on our territory, we liberate the occupied land.
      This is not the first time the massacre has taken place, and your post confirms that there is not just a territorial issue.
      This is an interethnic issue, an attempt to resolve it by purely military means, this will only intensify confrontation, which they wanted to avoid within the framework of the Minsk Group, etc.
      Turkey is behind all this, in this case it acts as an instigator and is engaged in adding fuel to the fire. And she acts cynically enough, Turkish troops themselves occupy the territory of Syria.
  • Victorm
    Victorm 5 October 2020 01: 19 New
    -4
    Quote: huntsman650
    What will you do with them when you capture them? Reeducate?
    But nothing ... The leaders who need to be tried will hit the road to Armenia, as long as it exists in its present form, they will never even hand them over to an international tribunal.
    And the ordinary population - Armenians live with us, if you didn't know, and contrary to the stories, these are not only the wives of Azerbaijanis.
  • Victorm
    Victorm 5 October 2020 01: 21 New
    -4
    Quote: TriA
    Judging by your comment, you are a real Nazi and racist.
    If you so want, then consider that you are more right than all the right. Well, what is there for you a couple of tens of thousands of only dead "Ayzers" of the civilian population, you are "not a racist and not a nationalist", it is useless to judge the Armenian military and the leadership, you need to pat the head ...
  • Old26
    Old26 5 October 2020 13: 07 New
    +2
    Quote: Herman 4223
    And thousands of them are needed because the goals go to these numbers.

    They are reusable. If not shot down, flew in, replenished the ammunition and took off again. Therefore, the number of UAVs is not equal to the number of targets. This is only relevant for kamikaze drones. There, yes. One drone, one target
  • Alexander Trifonov
    Alexander Trifonov 5 October 2020 14: 56 New
    0
    It seems to me, gentlemen, that we are on the eve of a big nix.
  • BastaKarapuzik And
    BastaKarapuzik And 5 October 2020 16: 25 New
    0
    Quote: user1212
    Well, and anecdote on the topic of the day :)
    - How do you think the conflict between Armenia and Azerbaijan will end?
    - Usually all wars end with the partition of Poland ...

    And funny and very scary. ))
  • Woland
    Woland 6 October 2020 17: 45 New
    0
    According to the principle, "Why are you bastards to count them? Write more!"
    1. Kuzmitsky
      6 October 2020 18: 59 New
      0
      In any war, the enemy's losses are overestimated and theirs are understated. In general, this is a terrible thing. Especially for ordinary people who live in the conflict zone. After all, they beat both sides in cities and villages, without hesitation.