Territorial defense troops cost Ukraine 10 times cheaper than regular troops

According to the Minister of Defense of Ukraine Andriy Taran, Kiev must create a full-fledged and effective territorial defense. He believes that in conditions when the country does not have enough strength to resist the largest army on the continent (meaning Russian), which, according to him, has already invaded Ukrainian soil, this is the only way out.

This was reported by the press service of the defense department of Ukraine.

The territorial defense system in Ukraine should get a second wind.

- said the minister during his speech dedicated to the celebration of the Day of Territorial Defense.

Taran believes that Ukrainians should be guided by the old folk saying “My house is on the edge - I meet the enemy first”. He also stated the need to draw conclusions from the events of the outbreak of the war in Donbass, which he called “the armed aggression of the Russian
Federation ".

The minister noted that the territorial principle of recruiting units is based on a good knowledge of the territory that must be protected from the enemy, and the strong interest of local residents in protecting their native land. The application of this principle, according to Taran, can reduce time and money, because the locations of the units and the location of training centers are located near the places of residence of the fighters.

The head of the Ukrainian defense department referred to foreign experience in saving money. In particular, he noted that the maintenance of territorial defense units in the United States is 6 times cheaper than the maintenance of regular troops, while in Germany there is a tenfold difference.

This year, the Day of Territorial Defense in Ukraine is celebrated for the first time. It will be celebrated annually on October 4th.

Comments

[ANB]

And I wonder if the territorial defense will be defended against the natsbats?

[SAG]

Territorial defense troops cost Ukraine 10 times cheaper than regular troops

... 10 years later, news from the ruins: "The people's militia costs Ukraine 10 times cheaper than the troops of territorial defense, we will defend Zhitomir from the Poles ... Now for sure!"

[Insurgent]

Territorial defense troops cost Ukraine 10 times cheaper than regular troops

It would be incomparably cheaper in general, to put up the Garden Scarecrow ...

[figwam]

after all, the places of deployment of units and the location of training centers are located near the places of residence of the fighters

Everyone will defend their hut.)

[poquello]

Quote: figvam

after all, the places of deployment of units and the location of training centers are located near the places of residence of the fighters

Everyone will defend their hut.)

[TermNachTer]

It was already, in 2014 - 15 years. These gangs became a haven for drunks, drug addicts and other declassed elements. When they wanted to transfer the terrorist band from Zaporozhye to Melitopol, they thought that they were being sent to the ATO. They went to the Regional State Administration with a protest action, accusing unknown people of attempting to raider their PPD))))

[antivirus]

Everyone will defend their hut.)

take it higher - a native mattress and a wooden spoon

and this is not yet untwisting "protecting your needy"

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Insurgent

It would be incomparably cheaper in general, to put up the Garden Scarecrow ...

There is no need to feed, no need to pay, they will earn money for food by robbery.

[poquello]

Quote: Insurgent

Territorial defense troops cost Ukraine 10 times cheaper than regular troops

It would be incomparably cheaper in general, to put up the Garden Scarecrow ...

in Cambodia, severe scarecrows are placed near houses to drive away unwanted guests and evil spirits.

http://www.adsl.kirov.ru/projects/pictures/201105/surovye_pugala_iz_kambodzhi/

[fruc]

Andrey Taran. Born March 4, 1955 in Frankfurt an der Oder (GDR) in the family of a serviceman who served in the group of Soviet forces in Germany, the Armed Forces of the USSR.
In military service since August 1972, cadet. In the 1970s he graduated from the Kiev Higher Artillery Engineering of the Order of Lenin, the Red Banner School. SM Kirov with a degree in military radio engineering. He continued his service in the military position of deputy commander of an anti-aircraft missile battery.
He served in the Soviet Army of the USSR Armed Forces. In the 1980s he graduated from the Military Academy of Air Defense of the Ground Forces in Kiev with a degree in Operations Management.
In 1993 he underwent retraining at the Institute of International Relations of the Taras Shevchenko Kyiv National University for the diplomatic service.
1995 - 1996 - Studied at the US National Defense University in Washington DC, where he received a Master's degree in National Resource Strategy.
In 2020, he was appointed Minister of Defense of Ukraine. Member of the NSDC (since March 13, 2020)
Knight of the II and III degrees of the Ukrainian Order of Bogdan Khmelnitsky

The retraining has proven to be useful and fruitful. A true "national resource strategist".

[Interlocutor]

... 10 years later, news from the ruins: "The people's militia costs Ukraine 10 times cheaper than the troops of territorial defense, we will defend Zhitomir from the Poles ... Now for sure!"

So back in history.
"Walk the field" for security and self-support ...
That's all for "Ukrainians" so. Whatever one is going to do, it always turns out "Evenings on a farm near Dikanka" ...

[grindz]

They need a mounted Cossack army to create and build a whip on the island, as it was, and keep them there with horses.

[svp67]

Quote: ANB

And I wonder if the territorial defense will be defended against the natsbats?

And she relies on them, so something like this

[ANB]

And if the power in Kiev changes again and the natsbats will officially become enemy troops, then what will happen to the TO?

[svp67]

Quote: ANB

And if the power in Kiev changes again and the natsbats will officially become enemy troops, then what will happen to the TO?

Historical experience shows that when the government changes, these guys very quickly know how to "change their colors and change their shoes" ...

[Hypertension]

Territorial defense troops cost Ukraine 10 times cheaper than regular troops

Peaceful tillers will cost 100 times less. I give an idea for free.

[halpat]

Quote: ANB

And I wonder if the territorial defense will be defended against the natsbats?

So these will be the Selyukov gangs. Is it really incomprehensible?
Sashko Bilyy moved with satisfaction in the coffin.

As in an old joke. Grandfather watering the flowerbed with machine oil.
- Didu, fill up the receipts.
- That nah, tilki b kulemet ne rusted.

[newcomer]

From the same snake. Not only that, through the so-called ATO they drove 300 thousand. youngsters, having smeared them with blood, who simply by participation, now they want to harness the civilians. Only now, both the idea itself and its implementation (especially in the understanding of the territorial community) will bring Ukraine into the state of Sudan, well, plus / minus.

[credo]

"... Taran believes that Ukrainians should be guided by an old folk saying" My hut is on the edge - I meet the enemy first "..."
--------------------------------
I have not heard such a popular saying, but I suppose that if something happens it will sound like this - "My hut is on the edge - I meet the enemy first with bread and salt."

[newcomer]

Yes! We can be angry with the Ukrainian people, we can joke, mock, but the people there are so scared, downtrodden and pounded that we cannot convey. And bureaucrats in uniform and without, hucksters and office hamsters / plankton live in delight only bureaucrats.

[ANB]

... office hamsters / plankton.

I don’t know about the others, but plankton doesn’t fatten. I compared salaries with ours, in Ukraine it is much lower. Plus, they removed the remote from Ukraine, especially after the last virus.
I didn’t put a minus, if that.

[Alex Justice]

Call for all partisans?

[Mountain shooter]

Okay ... handing out weapons to territories ... or what? In razulyaevo! Old Man Makhno will turn over in his grave with envy!

[The popuas]

There are enough weapons in my hands since 14 ... I think that even weapons will not be given to them, with their

[halpat]

Quote: Popuas

There are enough weapons in my hands since 14 ... I think that even weapons will not be given to them, with their

how is it how is it ??? sho for zrada?
give out weapons! then sho cottons were praised in 2014-16 tse vzhe their blood
and let the derzhava still give, in case of emergency it will be possible to sell.

[svp67]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

Okay ... handing out weapons to territories ... or what?

Yes, they already have their own "above the eyebrows"

[fruc]

Give everyone along the trunk and let them exercise on themselves.

[sabakina]

Territorial defense troops cost Ukraine 10 times cheaper than regular troops

As my ex used to say

A flag in your hands and a drum around your neck.

an old folk saying "My hut is on the edge - I meet the enemy first"

I apologize wildly, but they do not know during the campaign that the Earth is round ...

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: sabakina

I apologize wildly, but they do not know during the campaign that the Earth is round ...

I remembered my favorite book

- Well, to hell with him! - Ostap said with unexpected anger. - All this is fiction, there is no Rio de Janeiro, and there is no America, and Europe is not, there is nothing. And in general, the last city is Shepetivka, on which the waves of the Atlantic Ocean break.

[Insurgent]

Quote: sabakina

As my ex used to say
A flag in your hands and a drum around your neck.

It was obviously tough

[nnm]

The idea of ​​TPO, of course, is not new, but to be honest, according to the experience of the experiment on its organization in the Russian Federation, it is not particularly feasible in our realities.
And, perhaps, it is simply underestimated for now and therefore we are not particularly trying not to develop it.
But in the realities of Ukraine, either everything will simply remain at the "wishlist" stage, or their punitive battalions will be portrayed in the form of SRW.

[Dart2027]

Quote: nnm

or will depict their punitive battalions in the form of TRO

Most likely this is what they want to do.

[credo]

Quote: nnm

The idea of ​​TPO, of course, is not new, but to be honest, according to the experience of the experiment on its organization in the Russian Federation, it is not particularly feasible in our realities.
And, perhaps, it is simply underestimated for now and therefore we are not particularly trying not to develop it.
But in the realities of Ukraine, either everything will simply remain at the "wishlist" stage, or their punitive battalions will be portrayed in the form of SRW.

In the realities of Ukraine, with the reduction of the state budget itself and as a consequence of everything that is financed from the budget, this is a way to hang additional expenses on the region at the expense of the local population.
The trend has long been traced in this direction. The APU began to cut back even before 2014, then "benefactors" from the US and the EU came and began to cut medicine and other items of expenditure, and from the latter they announced the termination of the payment of pensions in Ukraine after 15 years.
So this is just another "swallow" for the pots-heads, on which they will hang the payment of all "pleasures" instead of the state.

[kventinasd]

Territorial defense troops cost Ukraine 10 times cheaper than regular troops

Of course cheaper. You don’t need to feed the Natsiks, they’re making fun of themselves.

[A. Privalov]

Once upon a time, in Soviet times, recruits were even deliberately sent away from their homes. This is not to encourage the so-called parochialism. Like, an ordinary person will not protect someone else except the inhabitants of his village, or there, the regional center if he serves too close. Enemies will drive away and stop. Will return home. Such were the morals, opinions, judgments ...

[nnm]

You are talking about different things. In the army, the extraterritorial principle of manning is still applied (except for the Crimea, in my opinion), and the SRW companies are still recruited on the territorial principle.

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: A. Privalov

Once upon a time, in Soviet times, recruits were even deliberately sent away from their homes. This is not to encourage the so-called parochialism.

I heard about this theory, but the reason was in the version that I heard, another. So that a conscript from, for example, central Russia could taste taiga, steppe, mountains or desert. So that, in the event of war, the climate in the area of ​​hostilities is not a surprise to the soldier.

I do not know how your or my explanation takes place, only of all my friends and acquaintances, the closest place of service was at my school friend (dad is the big chief of the quartermaster service) - 400 kilometers from home. I was sent from the Volga, where I was born and raised, to Central Asia - over 3500 miles. Most of the acquaintances served ~ 1000-2500 kilometers from home.

[Victorio]

Quote: Zoldat_A

So that a conscript from, for example, central Russia could taste taiga, steppe, mountains or desert.

===
there are pros and cons. I got from dry and hot eastern Kazakhstan to the cool and humid balashov of Saratov, the first winter I was acclimatized (also lack of vitamins) by regular trips to the medical unit.

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: Victorio

there are pros and cons. I got from dry and hot eastern Kazakhstan to the cool and humid balashov of Saratov, the first winter I got acclimatized

My neighbor from Uralsk ended up in Hungary. Something - but Europe. With the Gulf Stream and warm (by the standards of the Middle Volga and Western Kazakhstan) winter. He told me how any scratch rots. And the locals are nothing - probably used to it. In Central Asia, it was hard for me to get used to school at first - spring draft, heat. HB was stuck with sweat. Then he stopped whipping the water with buckets - and immediately it became easier.

[aszzz888]

A. Privalov (Alexander Privalov)
Yesterday, 14: 50
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Once upon a time, in Soviet times, recruits were even deliberately sent away from their homes. This is not to encourage the so-called parochialism. Like, an ordinary person will not protect someone else except the inhabitants of his village, or there, the regional center if he serves too close. Enemies will drive away and stop. Will return home. Such were the morals, opinions, judgments ...

Absolute bullshit! The more ridiculous the post, the higher the praise of the hosts.

[iouris]

The economy must be economical. From whom is the defense?

[Fedor Sokolov]

Regarding Ukraine, it’s not a matter of territorial division, but of the motivation of Ukrainians to fight and die for such a finished state.

[Insurgent]

Quote: Fyodor Sokolov

Regarding Ukraine, it’s not a matter of territorial division, but of the motivation of Ukrainians to fight and die for such a finished state.

According to my "estimates" in the ATO (JFO) zone, there is a contingent fighting in 20-30 percent of cases "out of a sense of deep patriotism", but otherwise, for loot, which does not smell for them ...

This is the motivation ...

[Fedor Sokolov]

This is a serious motivation! But the Ukrainian budget is also not rubber and cannot endlessly financially feed the heroes, unless the Ukrainian oligarchs will take them for allowance.

[Insurgent]

Quote: Fyodor Sokolov

This is a serious motivation! But the Ukrainian budget is also not rubber and cannot endlessly financially feed the heroes, unless the Ukrainian oligarchs will take them for allowance.

Do you remember the cries of Mamchur in Crimea - "America is with us!" ? For the United States, the relatively low-cost War "Until the Last Ukrainian" is not burdensome ...

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: Insurgent

Do you remember the cries of Mamchur in Crimea - "America is with us!" ?

I remembered -

The whole Soviet Union was amused. And only in Kiev in 2014 they seriously believed.

[Insurgent]

Quote: Zoldat_A

The whole Soviet Union was amused. And only in Kiev in 2014 they seriously believed.

"Without a sucker, any scam is bad"

[Lara Croft]

On a kind face from the photo to the article, the comrade is not averse to heading the maintenance units of Ukraine .... To make your wife the fin of the TO troops, then you can live like in Switzerland ...

[askort154]

In particular, he noted that the maintenance of territorial defense units in the United States is 6 times cheaper than the maintenance of regular troops, while in Germany there is a tenfold difference.

Brilliant! Not a head, but a real "battering ram" - of the Ukrainian army.

[Well done]

There are many more ghouls like him along our borders. For this and RA. "We choked them, choked them ...".

[fn34440]

The entire outskirts, together with Kuevo, will turn into Gulyai-Pole.
Yes, actually, already.

[Galleon]

Territorial defense troops cost Ukraine 10 times cheaper than regular troops

Advice to the Ukrainian government: gentlemen, if you compare your budget for medicine and for the maintenance of cemeteries, you will find an amazing discovery. This does not mean ..., however, you have your own mind, wild for others.

[KVU-NSVD]

after all, the places of deployment of units and the location of training centers are located near the places of residence of the fighters

Territorial formations in the regions of the Outskirts are good. Now the regions will have a leverage for greater decentralization - a big step towards collapse. And if they will also keep weapons at home, then ... uuuu ... beauty.

[NF68]

And the carts in the style of the daddy Makhno are 100 times cheaper than tanks and infantry fighting vehicles?

[Coconut]

Clowns promatrass ... thu

[petrol cutter]

"The Minister noted that the territorial principle of recruiting units is based on a good knowledge of the territory that needs to be protected from the enemy, and the strong interest of local residents in protecting their native land. The application of this principle, according to Taran, can reduce time and money, because the location of units and the location of the training centers is close to where the fighters live. "
The thought is probably sound in general. Although, what's new? So earlier and served mainly.
Good knowledge of the territory ... The question is very controversial.
Roughly speaking, I have been living in Crimea for forty-five years. I cannot say that I have a good knowledge of the territory.
I'm in Feodosia - half of the streets don't know what they are called.
Since I am guided not by names, but by objects located on them.
In other settlements, there will generally be a bag! If I am entrusted with the command of someone slightly larger than myself ...

[fruc]

Kaklam is no stranger to it. They know how to make sorties and hide in holes, knowing the area well.

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

Our dear you! Have you really not understood the whole "depth" of Ukrainian thought? We are talking about protection, private gardens, chicken coops, pigsties, etc. That is, directly, for which the Ukrainians will stand, to death. And you think, too large-scale - "Feodossiya, Crimea .." Our former brothers, everything is much simpler and more practical.)

[Olddetractor]

Taran believes that Ukrainians should be guided by an old folk saying "My hut is on the edge - I meet the enemy first"

What a dirty desecration of popular wisdom .. Not everything sounded, not at all so

[beeper]

What's the point of "territorial defense", another "feeding trough" for Svidomo "patriots" at the expense of Ukrainian workers ??!
If the very top is rotten because of the "cookies" (the ability to rob their fellow citizens with impunity and store stolen goods in the bins of the Zakordon hucksters) who handed over the former Ukrainian SSR under American occupation in bulk, then no "territorial defense" will help to fight the real enemy-rat-ratting "hats" (domestic ) thief "!
Look, how the crafty "Maidan minister" altered "the old saying (only this" old man "is not even 100 years old ?!)", to the anecdote about the "house on the edge" added the just invented by the Goebbelsukhs - "I meet the enemy first" ?!
So already in 1991 we met on our necks these "wide" enemies of the Ukrainian multinational population - "Ukrainian" throat-grabbing-kleptoligarchs "w / Bandera", with their iodine-deficient lackeys - "French" farmers Natsik, they seized all "nezalezhna" "thanks" to Comrade Stalin for this well-polished Russophobic "privarochek" to the international Ukrainian SSR! ), only Crimea miraculously leaked, but part of Donbass is still resisting!

[Viktor Sergeev]

For a Ukrainian, there is one principle: my hut is on the edge, everyone except me is not interesting, the main thing in case of a person is to surrender or run away faster.

[Reviews]

the country does not have enough strength to resist the largest army on the continent (meaning Russian)

See fig ... But what about the statement of their former commander-in-chief that "the most powerful army on the continent is the Ukrainian one"?

[Crimean partisan 1974]

But what about the statement of their former commander-in-chief that "the most powerful army of the continent is Ukrainian"? .... Duc Yong is the former and since he left, then "the most powerful army of the continent is Ukrainian" also left .... probably into the forests .. well, presumably ... pushing the Carpathian timber westward between floods

[boris epstein]

There was a territorial army in the USSR in the 20s and early 30s. In the 20s, there were special forces CHON units. But it looked like this: "We need to work, the rifle is nearby." They were lifted up the trevol when attacked by bands of deserters, White Guards, Makhnovists ... That is, usually these people worked in factories, factory fields. The soldiers of the territorial army were called up for 3-4 months a year, so as not to lose their military skills. But that was a DIFFERENT country, and most people then believed in the authorities. In Ukraine, such a number will not work. And the first of the rulers to understand this was Ukrogeneral Moskal, who worked in Crimea as a representative of the President of Ukraine, as the governor of Lugansk and then Transcarpathian regions. He strongly opposed this idea. He said that the Ukrainian society is sharply divided, angry and under minimal conditions people are able to break off the brakes and use weapons. I recommend reading the article "Maidan went to war against Russia" - Svidomitka was rebuffed in the Rivne minibus "So everything is not lost. then Shmygal said that in 15 years Ukraine will not be able to pay pensions. And now let's imagine that the people have weapons in their hands ...

[Sancho_SP]

Well, you don’t need to hand out weapons! Form, organizational structure, army dry hack on weekends. On weekdays, work in civilian life. Weapons are distributed only during exercises or during mobilization. It is clear that to recruit only the lowest paid - so that the calls for fees are not compensated for expensively.

Alternatively, Commanders from a platoon and above are full-fledged personnel responsible for the safety and issuance of weapons. The structure is different, the compartments are larger in terms of the number of seats in the back of the KrAZ.


Alternatively, arm the rank and file with semi-automatic rifles (don't joke about Mosin!), Designed as a personal civilian weapon (under personal responsibility). Then only machine guns and grenade launchers are under protection, and this is already easier.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Boris Epstein

There was a territorial army in the USSR in the 20s and early 30s. In the 20s, there were special forces CHON units. But it looked like this: "We need to work, the rifle is nearby." They were lifted up the trevol when attacked by bands of deserters, White Guards, Makhnovists ... That is, usually these people worked in factories, factory fields. The soldiers of the territorial army were called up for 3-4 months a year, so as not to lose their military skills.

The territories in the USSR in the 30s were just from lack of money: an ordinary Red Army soldier cost the state six times more than the territory.
The flip side was the near-zero combat capability of the terrorist divisions: according to the results of the training in 1936, it was established that the "satisfactory" rating for the terrorist division could only be obtained after 3 months of training, which is approximately early in the time of the formation of a new division. Moreover, the problem was not only with the assigned, but also with the permanent composition: the command personnel between gatherings degraded so much that the chief of staff of a regiment of one of the terrorist divisions during the check could not set a task for the battalion.

[Sancho_SP]

And the fighters of this territorial defense - are they military personnel or reservists? Do they receive a salary? Are they busy with duty all the time, or do they have a primary, peaceful place of work?

So, if they do not issue weapons, it is completely quiet and safe. It is inexpensive, it maintains a formal number.

[APASUS]

In short, they will form gangs!

[Skyscream]

"... the maintenance of territorial defense units is 6 times cheaper in the United States than the maintenance of regular troops, and in Germany there is a tenfold difference." Yeah, and near-zero combat effectiveness.

[Lelek]

The head of the Ukrainian defense department referred to foreign experience in saving money.
Yes, the economy in the former Ukraine now takes second place after spitting in the direction of Russia. The IMF refused to give the money, Western pushers refused loans, the maturity of debts is on the tip of the nose, it is becoming more difficult to pay pensions and salaries to public sector employees, the industry is partially destroyed, partially sold out. Here is even "Hurray-patriot" by all the independent Pan Shmygal painted a sad picture:

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

Lelek, who's minus you, I wonder? 0

[Lelek]

Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich

Lelek, that's who's minus you, I wonder?

I don't pay attention. They express their attitude to fasting, and God is with them. Reposts are interesting, not the pros and cons.

[Crimean partisan 1974]

the more such general-dunce there are, the less tragedies the civilian population will have

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

You go the right way, comrades! Only "territorial defense"! No other way. Each village is a self-defense detachment. Gardens and pigsties, to guard. Then, for sure, they will take to NATU.)