In Poland, they argue how "advanced" F-35 fighter they will get from the United States

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Poland is preparing to receive the latest F-35, but it is not clear whether they will have the best capabilities. After all, there is a difference between the fighter and the fighter, even if we are talking about the same modification of the F-35.

This topic is discussed by Marek Szczyrczynski in an article published by the Polish edition of Polityka.



The most privileged partner in military-technical cooperation in the Middle East is Israel, and among the countries of the Arab world - Saudi Arabia. In Poland, it is believed that Warsaw plays a similar role in Eastern Europe. But, of course, it has not yet grown to the level of Israel.

For a long time, there have been talks that the technical characteristics of the same type of American weapons exported may differ significantly depending on the recipient country. Actually, the practice of exporting military equipment with limited combat capabilities has existed for more than a decade. This is what the Soviet Union did, sending the armed forces of the "fraternal" countries Aviation or armored vehicles.

And now, when any technique is crammed with electronics, its capabilities can be easily adjusted by making changes to the software. In particular, this is the opinion of Bartosz Glovacki, who works for the Polish magazine Skshidlata Polska:

The F-35 is a flying computer, so the owner of the software source code can do anything in an effort to prevent unwanted use of the aircraft.

But Szczierczyński believes that the latest F-35 aircraft, which Warsaw will get from the United States, will have a full range of unlimited capabilities. In his opinion, the Americans are forced to do this by the difficult geopolitical situation, which has turned Poland into an eastern outpost of NATO. And the "advanced" American fighters supplied to this country have a special role:

Polish F-35s will become an important component of the containment system, and, if necessary, defense (including by means of attack).
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    1. +16
      4 October 2020 11: 04
      Well, here it is appropriate to recall the "skin of an unkilled bear" and about the "dead donkey ears" ...

      What did they want? Get the best for free?
      I offer an X-th generation aircraft: there is one "victory" button on the dashboard ...
      For an infallible faith in the "master"!
      1. +6
        4 October 2020 11: 15
        Well, they can only dream about "the skin of a not killed bear", but from the "dead donkey, a hearing aid" is just right for them ... wassat hi
        1. +4
          4 October 2020 11: 21
          Let them spend. The Poles have a large national budget for such acquisitions.
          1. +3
            4 October 2020 22: 08
            After the delivery of the F-35 to Poland, they will undergo a deep modernization of the aircraft, the Ukrainian specialists will make a 5th generation out of the 7th generation aircraft at once, then it will be sad, the Poles have 5-7th generation improved software, which Israel will immediately envy. wassat
            1. +2
              4 October 2020 22: 10
              And the planes will not fly, but jump very quickly. wassat
              1. 0
                5 October 2020 18: 06
                It was not worth revealing the secrets of F 35 after the modernization, now they will no longer have to jump and groan invisible already at the airport itself, just shh! bully
      2. +3
        4 October 2020 11: 22
        Quote: RealPilot
        Get the best for free?

        Actually, why for free? Freebies only for Jews.
        In cash!
        And then choose a complete set for yourself. Until the mug cracks.
      3. +5
        4 October 2020 11: 37
        Not about the "skin of an unkilled bear" here about something else.
        Poles are now jealous of "are they the US's favorite wife" or not? It seems like a good gift, but not the same as that of the USA itself. Now they have a bewilderment - "loves - does not love, how much does he love?"
        It's hard for the Poles in general smile
        1. 0
          4 October 2020 19: 13
          Quote: Sergey_G_M
          "loves - does not love, how much does he love?"
          It's hard for the Poles in general

          If it comes down to business, then the noble gentlemen will be loved as in 1939, or as under Catherine. So as if Poland did not disappear from the map again.
      4. 0
        4 October 2020 12: 05
        Quote: RealPilot
        Xth generation

        Is this our letter "X", their "X" or in general the number "ten"?
        1. +1
          4 October 2020 15: 17
          Quote: Sydor Amenpospestovich
          Quote: RealPilot
          Xth generation

          Is this our letter "X", their "X" or in general the number "ten"?

          Colleague! You got it right wink We are Russian people ...
          1. +1
            4 October 2020 17: 15
            Quote: RealPilot
            Colleague! You understood everything correctly We are Russian people ...

            So I was not mistaken. But I had to clarify.
            Well, for mutual understanding!
      5. 0
        4 October 2020 12: 11
        You can recall the half-killed F - 16, which mattress toppers put their "sixes"))))
      6. +1
        4 October 2020 12: 39
        The F-35 is a flying computer
        Aha! For Poles Type Iskra-226 ...
      7. +1
        5 October 2020 11: 33
        Pshekam will get a penguin in the form of an inflatable model.
    2. +1
      4 October 2020 11: 08
      Let them go on a business trip to Israel, so to speak, to exchange experience. At least they do not fall uni! drinks
    3. +3
      4 October 2020 11: 09
      which hegemon striped will determine ... and this will get ... the main thing is pay regularly ...
    4. +1
      4 October 2020 11: 10
      Most likely the Polish lackeys will receive a "stripped down" version of the fighter. By the way, the Poles are not such fools, since they understand that the key to the pepelatsa will be overseas.
      1. 0
        4 October 2020 12: 12
        Everyone understands this, and everyone wants to get the "source code", but that's just, very rarely they give them to anyone.
      2. +1
        4 October 2020 12: 34
        The F-35 does not have "cut-down" versions. There are software versions (standard blocks),
        which periodically upgrade all aircraft in the ranks of all countries.
        How to upgrade Windows or Android.
        1. +2
          4 October 2020 13: 38
          Somehow there was news that the Americans were looking for a way to "cut" the F-35 supplied to Arab countries, so that the Arabs would not have parity with Israel.
          1. -1
            4 October 2020 14: 04
            Quote: Fyodor Sokolov
            Once there was news that the Americans were looking for a way to "cut" the F-35 supplied to Arab countries

            There was no official news, but rather an invention of journalists.
            1. +1
              4 October 2020 15: 37
              I don’t really understand why we should cut the more TTD F-35? Poland, spreads as much as possible under the states, is ready to give up their bed with their wives, why cut? they consider themselves to be the front line in the terrible battle with Russia! So no, I don’t think that the Americans will squeeze anything, they will control the operation 100%.
              1. -1
                4 October 2020 15: 45
                Do not squeeze, give an older modification. Block 4 is currently being planned for block 3. In block 4, the avionics will be updated, internal compartments will accommodate 3 AIM120s each, the ability to work with slave UAVs has been added, perhaps new engines (I think it will still go to block 5), new types of weapons, etc., etc. Accordingly, the price will rise relative to block 3 and just $ 87 million may not be enough for the purchase. It is normal practice when the latest modifications for export are older and cheaper in their army.
    5. +3
      4 October 2020 11: 12
      complex geopolitical situation, which turned Poland into an eastern outpost of NATO.
      Poles live in yesterday. Now Ukraine and the Three Baltic Little Pigs are "protecting" Europe with their breasts from "Russian aggression". America would still have to swallow Belarus to create a united front - but so far, unfortunately for America, it has not grown together.
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        1. +6
          4 October 2020 14: 44
          Quote: Antony Could
          Ukraynaya san! Düşmənlərə ölum!

          Wandered in the wrong place on the road from the market to a rented hut? Did the daily proceeds for tomatoes turn your head? To you, young man, to the Censor. They will understand and appreciate it.
    6. +2
      4 October 2020 11: 13
      Defense by attack)) thanks, remember.
    7. +3
      4 October 2020 11: 15
      supplied to this country, a special role is assigned: - POWDER meat!
    8. +5
      4 October 2020 11: 25
      Which version they don't get, there are still more birches))
      1. +2
        4 October 2020 16: 07
        Quote: Alien From
        Which version they don't get, there are still more birches))

        just don't say the terrible word Smolensk ... oh ... belay
        1. +1
          4 October 2020 16: 53
          My area))) only quietly .......))
    9. +2
      4 October 2020 11: 33
      ON one side of the issue. There is also a common logistic control system, data from which will flow to a single center, and also a warehouse with spare parts. That is, the Pentagon will be able to make adjustments in real time to the capabilities of all F-35s and aliens as well. Previously, they talked about bookmarks, but now they say in plain text that if the USA does not want your purchased plane to turn into a pumpkin and even the engine will not start.
    10. KCA
      +2
      4 October 2020 11: 34
      To begin with, the Poles need to realize that they will receive naked F-35s, without weapons, only a cannon, all missile armament will need to be ordered additionally, they are silent about this in their arguments, for which missiles they have enough money, and in what quantity ?
      1. +3
        4 October 2020 11: 42
        Not completely naked. And the rockets on the F16 are compatible with the F35. AIM120 it and in Africa AIM120.
        The contract value amounted to $ 4,6 billion, in addition to supplying the aircraft themselves, each of which cost Poland $ 87 million, it includes training for Polish pilots, the supply of flight simulators, as well as logistics support. Pilot training will begin in 2024, it will take place in the United States, Poland will receive the first F-35s in 2026.
        1. KCA
          +1
          4 October 2020 11: 46
          Is AIM-120 with F-16 placed in the internal compartments, or on pylons?
          1. 0
            4 October 2020 11: 50
            Quote: KCA
            AIM-120 with F-16 is placed in the inner compartments, or on pylons?




            If you mean AIM-120A / B, then they have not been produced for 25 years.
            1. KCA
              0
              4 October 2020 12: 14
              I mean those that are in service with the Polish Air Force on the F-16
              1. -1
                4 October 2020 12: 18
                Poland purchased the F16 in 2003 and received it in 2006. Then there were already AIM120С, they stand on the F35 without any problems.
              2. -1
                4 October 2020 12: 36
                Poland also has 93 AIM-9X-2 SIDEWINDER Block II, 150 AIM-120C-7 AMRAAM missiles, 75 AMRAAM missiles in the AIM-120C-5 modification
        2. 0
          4 October 2020 12: 20
          It's not about what fits and what doesn't. Air bombs from the Second World War would also work. And the fact that 87 Lyamov is only the airplane itself. And then "rushed" - rockets for a million, 100 pieces. - 100 lyamas, spare parts are also not cheap, scheduled maintenance will also not be carried out in Poland, because there is no one to do them. Total? In total, we have the fact that 4,6 lard is a figure for the Polish electorate))) a real figure, it will be significantly higher
        3. +1
          4 October 2020 12: 36
          If in 26, then they will receive Block-4. New strengthened version of the aircraft
          with many additions.
          1. -1
            4 October 2020 12: 46
            Quote: voyaka uh
            If in 26, then they will already receive Block-4.
            It depends on how agreed, it is not a fact that 87 million per unit will be enough for block 4, I think there will still be an advanced block 3. On the other hand, Block 4 is planned to be launched in 23 year and there is no sense in 2 parallel aircraft, only if there is no division of Block 4 into the US Army and its closest allies, Block 3 for export.
            Too serious improvements will be in block 4.
      2. 0
        4 October 2020 12: 15
        I think they understand. Everyone is already accustomed to the fact that mattress covers "beat three skins" for everything))) planes separately, weapons separately, spare parts separately, service separately. Only no one has yet drawn conclusions that suggest themselves
    11. -1
      4 October 2020 11: 39
      The most privileged partner in military-technical cooperation in the Middle East is Israel, and among the countries of the Arab world - Saudi Arabia. In Poland, it is believed that Warsaw plays a similar role in Eastern Europe.

      How much conceit, it's already sickening
      But Szczierczyński believes that the latest F-35 aircraft, which Warsaw will get from the United States, will have a full range of unlimited capabilities.

      Yes, let them rejoice, if at least not the "best" send
      1. +1
        4 October 2020 12: 21
        It can be easy)))) they have already sent them to pshek, written off F - 16))) They will become
    12. +2
      4 October 2020 11: 49
      Poles forget that the F-35 is primarily a mega-promoted product for a lot of money, and last of all a combat aircraft.
      That wouldn't even take off without a Yankee team.
    13. +1
      4 October 2020 12: 04
      A military airfield was destroyed in Ganja this morning as a result of a massive missile strike.
      Armenian "Iskander"

      The military command of the Nagorno-Karabakh Republic announced that this morning, as a result of a massive missile strike, the military airfield of the Azerbaijan Air Force, located in Ganja, was completely destroyed. As a result of the strikes, infrastructure, runways and equipment were completely destroyed, incl. Turkish F-16.
      Let the vile Poles, even though they put spacecrafts on their airfields, they will face the same fate if they twitch.
      1. 0
        4 October 2020 12: 20
        I am not even howling about F16 or today is Sunday and all the batteries on the cell phones have sat down and there is no place to charge.
      2. 0
        4 October 2020 12: 24
        I am tormented by vague doubts that the "bad" Azerbaijanis (Turks) would substitute themselves like that. The airfield in Ganja is simply asking for destruction, what kind of air defense systems were there? Perhaps the layouts were and that is unlikely, the Armenians are also not bad)))
        1. +3
          4 October 2020 12: 38
          Iskander is almost impossible to shoot down.
          1. 0
            4 October 2020 12: 43
            What's the point of destroying an "empty" airfield? A preventive measure is good when you have a lot of Iskanders, but I think that this is not entirely true.
            1. -1
              4 October 2020 12: 53
              Quote: TermNachTER
              What's the point of destroying an "empty" airfield?

              News from avia.pro most likely. For there is no sense. Patching the runway is no problem.
              1. 0
                4 October 2020 13: 15
                Quote: OgnennyiKotik
                News from avia.pro most likely. For there is no sense. Patching the runway is no problem.

                The strip should be repaired for a day, with a normal organization, and if the planes are destroyed, then there is no need to fix it)))
              2. 0
                4 October 2020 13: 36
                I would definitely not place anything serious in Ganja, which is "close to" the Armenians. Although I'm not an Air Force general))))
          2. -1
            4 October 2020 16: 12
            Controversial: no one has tried it. IMHO, any OTP can be intercepted with varying degrees of probability. Modern missile defense systems are very advanced.
            1. +2
              4 October 2020 18: 39
              Very little reaction time. In seconds, the rocket leaves
              to a height of 40-50 km, all 500 km - from MAX 7, and a stone - down.
              In fact, only on the descent will the interception take place. This is if you are lucky and the remedy
              The missile defense system is conveniently located in an oncoming-crossing position.
              Laura was adopted, not to shoot at bridges, but as an "anti-point".
              To have time to hit the enemy's launcher during preparation for launch.
              Hezbollah in northern Lebanon has BR - like, Iranian "hybrids" of the Point and the Tornado.
              Nothing else has time to hit - neither aviation, nor CD.
              1. -1
                4 October 2020 20: 17
                Looking for THAAD request The maximum height of the Iskander trajectory is more than 100 km. According to the characteristics, it is suitable: range - up to 200, altitude up to 150-200 (!) Km, target speed up to 3,5 km / s (more than 10M). And these complexes are mobile. Dear ones, probably ..
    14. +1
      4 October 2020 12: 08
      "The geopolitical environment that has turned Poland into an eastern outpost of NATO."
      Transformed Poland into one of the targets, among similar targets of NATO
      1. +1
        4 October 2020 12: 58
        I would say in the first place ...
        1. -1
          4 October 2020 16: 19
          What does an attack on a bloc member state mean? - Attack on everyone else. Suicidal. Do you need it? For what?
      2. -1
        4 October 2020 16: 17
        Everything is not so simple: after all, they have increased security guarantees. It is one thing to "run over" on Georgia in 2008, and another thing - on Poland, where you will have to attack the defending soldiers and officers of the Organization's countries, including the American ones. All this raises the cost of this attack significantly. And it reduces its likelihood, saving the nerves of the Poles.
        1. +1
          4 October 2020 16: 21
          If we attack them, it will only be in response to the US-NATO attack ...
          1. 0
            4 October 2020 20: 11
            And in their memory the year 1939 is firmly entrenched and they fear its repetition. And a number of our high-ranking officials are stirring up these fears, arguing how many days it will take to capture someone ..
            If we attack them, it will only be in response to the US-NATO attack ...

            Then both sides need not worry. Because the US-NATO will go into hostilities with potentially huge losses (therefore, an example of a trifle, like Iraq and Yugoslavia, is absolutely not suitable), except during the defense of the territory of an ally in the bloc.
            1. 0
              4 October 2020 20: 51
              1939 - these are endless disputes and everyone has their own truth, it will never happen again, but what they are trying to play today and what they have already played is their gravedigger ...
              1. -1
                4 October 2020 21: 50
                1939 is endless controversy

                One cannot argue with the fact that their territory was occupied.
                but what they are trying to play today and what they have already played is their gravedigger ...

                Gravedigger? Are you talking about a nuclear attack on Poland? For what?
    15. +1
      4 October 2020 12: 22
      "But, of course, it hasn't grown to the level of Israel yet."
      And it will not grow up, given the attitude in the United States towards ethnic Poles. American jokes about Poles are reminiscent of our jokes about Chukchi and Estonians.
    16. +1
      4 October 2020 12: 26
      Polish F-35s will become an important component of the containment system, and, if necessary, defense (including by means of attack).


      The only priority will be the attack ...
      1. -1
        4 October 2020 21: 52
        Why would they attack ?? Is it in Poland or the United States that all decisions are made by a dictator-adventurer who is capable of neglecting any losses of his citizens?
    17. +1
      4 October 2020 12: 32
      Ha, but to speculate that such a level of technology requires a specific, advanced, expensive, infrastructure to support both combat and operational plans ... no way ???
      Such a technique only in conjunction with everything necessary can show, prove that it is worthwhile, really advanced in its capabilities.
      1. +3
        4 October 2020 12: 57
        These are Poles, they consider themselves a beloved wife ... Greetings! hi
        1. +1
          4 October 2020 13: 32
          Hi soldier
          A dubious prospect ... all the more, as soon as a better option appears or the owner ceases to be satisfied with something, it will easily slide into a state ... herself, herself.
          1. +2
            4 October 2020 16: 19
            The United States never does anything just like that, and they will mate the Poles and substitute ...
            1. +1
              4 October 2020 17: 03
              So those and so with gayropeyskie in contra. They have their own showdowns going on there.
              They raised them, of course, they are not weak, but gratitude there is not a penny .... they will also pay the benefactors in full.
              1. +2
                4 October 2020 17: 15
                Expecting gratitude from Poles means not respecting yourself ... raised, nurtured, and now the Poles are trying to become the main ones from the United States ...
                1. +1
                  4 October 2020 17: 40
                  The Geyropeans are so keen on sanctions against us that everything else passes by them ... in the end, they will be shocked for the very same thing.
                  1. +2
                    4 October 2020 18: 43
                    Maybe they like it? , I sometimes do not understand the modern behavior of Europe, I play until I can not, and then what?
                    1. +1
                      4 October 2020 18: 55
                      The conductor there is the one to whom the interesy geyropes pof absolutely.
                      1. +2
                        4 October 2020 20: 48
                        There, in my opinion, there is already gross violence, and they all smile ...
    18. 0
      4 October 2020 13: 45
      It's not a problem to buy planes, but who will fly and use it correctly?
      Pilot training is another challenge, single use, in a group. The car must be known as an extension of the body, to such a level for the promised 9 months that the pilots are trained at the Luke base, it is difficult, but do not forget that the training takes place on their own aircraft, for the customer's money)))
      Plus the training of technicians and personnel on the ground, the ALIS program (software designed to collect information on aircraft maintenance) has not yet been adopted by the Americans themselves.
      The software update, which is the most problematic for the F-35, is carried out according to the principle - "fixed old problems, added new ones"))) After the end of the update to block 3, it is not a fact that the capabilities will not deteriorate.
      1. 0
        4 October 2020 16: 21
        Do you think that there is no software on the Su-57? And there will be no problems that need to be corrected? Of course, this will be presented to us in accordance with the principle of double standards ..
    19. -1
      4 October 2020 13: 47
      Most of all I am interested in how the "mighty" budget of the Polish army will grunt and straining to drag the contents of this "penguin" on itself ...
    20. 0
      4 October 2020 15: 34
      In Poland, they argue how "advanced" F-35 fighter they will get from the United States

      It is better to estimate how many generations of your pans will pay off the US loans for your current show-off. This is not a freebie from the USSR.
      1. 0
        4 October 2020 16: 23
        Inquire about the growth of the Polish economy over the past 10 years, and also compare their GDP per capita in comparison with any top country / republic of the CMEA / USSR at present. Will be calculated. These are not plans for the US Air Force to purchase about 2000 of these machines.
    21. -1
      4 October 2020 15: 35
      Quote: tralflot1832
      Let them go on a business trip to Israel, so to speak, to exchange experience.

      There they will find out who the white master appointed his beloved wife hi
      1. -1
        4 October 2020 16: 26
        It looks like jealousy. What is not an ally / satellite of the Russian Federation. (But they were quite recently)
    22. 0
      4 October 2020 22: 12
      Quote: 3danimal
      In Poland or the United States, all decisions are made by an adventurous dictator who is able to neglect any losses of his citizens?

      I'm not sure about the dictator, but about the absence of adventurers ... Why are Bush Jr. and Obama not adventurers?
    23. 0
      4 October 2020 22: 51
      Quote: 3danimal
      It looks like jealousy. What is not an ally / satellite of the Russian Federation. (But they were quite recently)

      Alexander III: "In the whole world we have only two loyal allies - our army and navy."
    24. +1
      5 October 2020 09: 25
      If they make Coca-Cola and chocolate especially for Poland, read for the third world, the plane can be sure that it will be just "advanced" to this level
    25. 0
      9 October 2020 12: 41
      "The United States is forced by the geopolitical situation" which they themselves create
      I think one line from a Pole's article is enough to discourage the desire to read it.

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