Tank commander of the Indian Armed Forces: If there is a battle in Ladakh, then the Chinese light tanks have no chance against our T-90 and T-72

October 4 2020 49

In the Indian media environment, an article was released by the columnist Pushkar Tiwari, who considers the ratio in tanks in the Ladakh region. It is a contested region on the India-China border where tensions have persisted lately. The Indian side pulled tank units based on the T-90 in the direction of Ladakh.

In a ZeeNews post by Pushkar Tiwari, "India has a big advantage in the tank component in the mid and high mountains."

From the article:

Tanks T-90 "Bhishma" of the Indian armed forces have an advantage over Chinese light tanks in East Ladakh and the Tibetan plateau. Chinese light tanks, including the VT5, cannot withstand high altitude conditions.

The author of the material in the Indian press makes such a statement, referring to the tankers of the Indian Armed Forces.

For reference: VT-5 is an export version of the Chinese Type15 tank, which is called a mountain tank in China itself. According to the classification, this is a medium tank, although in India they decided to call it a light one.

The statement of the Indian serviceman - the tank commander (his name is not called) is also cited:

If, in the current situation, a tank battle takes place in Ladakh, I can assure you that their light tanks have no chance against our T-90 and T-72.

Indian intelligence previously reported to the Indian Armed Forces General Headquarters that the PLA had deployed its light tanks almost along the entire border line in East Ladakh, right up to the disputed area of Demchok.

An Indian officer, quoted by Pushkar Tiwari, claims that the T-72, T-90 and BMP-2 tanks of the Indian armed forces are capable of performing combat missions at temperatures down to minus 40 Celsius in thin air.

Indian soldier:

In the country of origin of this technology, including the T-90, - Russia - conditions are such that armored vehicles resistant to any cold are created. They can be deployed in almost any landscape and at any altitude.

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Observer2014

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4 October 2020 07: 47

Tank commander of the Indian Armed Forces: If there is a battle in Ladakh, then the Chinese light tanks have no chance against our T-90 and T-72
Whoever takes over the sky will bend his own line there. A drone will fly into the roof of the tank with this commander, and he and Shiva will dream about tank duels in the mountains with Chinese light tanks until the next reincarnation.
1. Starover_Z
  
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  4 October 2020 10: 38
  
  Quote: Observer2014
  A drone will fly into the roof of the tank with this commander, and he and Shiva will dream of tank duels in the mountains with Chinese light tanks until the next reincarnation.
  
  The Chinese are not fools and you cannot scare them with tanks. On Damanskoe, they were not afraid of the new 62s, but knocked out from
  RPGs and even seem to be pulled to themselves. So trust in God, but do not make a mistake yourself.
  1. businessv
    
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    4 October 2020 21: 27
    
    Quote: Starover_Z
    On Damansky, they were not afraid of the new 62s, but they knocked out from
    RPGs and even seem to be pulled to themselves.
    Damansky was repulsed by the motorized infantry of the 135th, and after a second attempt, Damansky was plowed with Grads, so that no one could pull anything to themselves.
    1. Starover_Z
      
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      5 October 2020 08: 55
      
      Quote: businessv
      Quote: Starover_Z
      On Damansky, they were not afraid of the new 62s, but they knocked out from
      RPGs and even seem to be pulled to themselves.
      Damansky was repulsed by the motorized infantry of the 135th, and after a second attempt, Damansky was plowed with Grads, so that no one could pull anything to themselves.
      
      Pulled away under the ice, lined with T-62:
      https://topwar.ru/7835-trofeynyy-sovetskiy-tank-t-62-v-pekine-vystavili-na-ulicu.html -
      Captured Soviet T-62 tank in Beijing put on the street (October 21, 2011)
  2. yehat2
    
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    5 October 2020 09: 45
    
    there our commander was a fool - for some reason he put T62 on the side of the Chinese, after which he was knocked out.
2. Hypertension
  
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  4 October 2020 11: 37
  
  Quote: Observer2014
  Tank commander of the Indian Armed Forces: If there is a battle in Ladakh, then the Chinese light tanks have no chance against our T-90 and T-72
  Whoever takes possession of the sky will bend his own line there.
  
  "Dancer Disco" apparently did not watch the latest videos from Karabakh. He thinks that they will fight the Chinese like in the Second World War with tank wedges.
Shuttle

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4 October 2020 07: 48

Thanks for the ad, of course. But in Nagorno-Karabakh, for example, it does not seem to come to the battle of tanks against tanks. Most of the destroyed tanks are probably for other types of equipment. Artillery directed from drones, kamikaze drones, anti-tank systems, etc.
As under Prokhorov Coy will no longer be.
1. venik
  
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  4 October 2020 09: 45
  
  Quote: Shuttle
  As under Prokhorov Coy will no longer be.
  
  =========
  There is such a version !: With the advent tactical nuclear weapons (as well as increasing the power of weapons conventional) - the use of large masses of troops becomes impractical - they become too vulnerable!
  Apparently, the wars of the future will be reduced to separate clashes, and battalion tactical group will become the main striking force!
  there are other opinions, but for some reason it seems to me that it will be so!
  PS You can "throw slippers"!
  1. Lara Croft
    
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    4 October 2020 12: 56
    
    Quote: venik
    the use of large masses of troops becomes impractical - they become too vulnerable!
    
    Why then did the senior comrades "recreate" the 1st "TA" as part of the RF Army, tea is not fools who know what they are doing ...
    and the battalion tactical group will become the main striking force!
    
    The brigade tactical group ... then even then in secondary directions, therefore, some divisional commands in strategic directions in the RF Army were recreated, and some were formed anew ...
    1. venik
      
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      4 October 2020 20: 52
      
      Quote: Lara Croft
      Why then did the senior comrades "recreate" the 1st "TA" as part of the RF Army, tea is not fools who know what they are doing ...
      
      ========
      Stop stop stop! Let's: "flies - separately, and cutlets - separately"! Recreated Tank Army - WONDERFUL !!! In general, I consider all this "bodyag" with the disbandment of divisions and the creation of brigades (actively pushed by "ex-Marshal Taburetkin") to be exceptional stupidity "not far" furniture office manager !!! AND NO MORE!
      In a country with such a gigantic territory and a large population, the brigades are TOTAL FOOL! Brigades are good for countries with a small territory and not a very large population: For Belarus, Georgia, Azerbaijan, Armenia .... Even for Ukraine! But for us - NO! We need Divisions and Armies on the basis of which we can form tactical teams: brigade or battalion. Depending on the circumstances!
      PS Do you think in vain that the Yankes as part of each infantry division contain 2 brigade headquarters, which in Peaceful time doing "doing nothing" safely?
      1. Lara Croft
        
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        4 October 2020 21: 36
        
        Quote: venik
        Recreated Tank Army - WONDERFUL !!!
        
        What TA was "recreated"? 1st TA as part of TD, MSD, TBR. and ISBR. This is essentially the AK of the Soviet period ...
        This is despite the fact that the 4th Kantemirovskaya TD, the 2nd Taman MRD and the 27th Sevastopol MRBR. have always been "court" units and were not included in any SA unit ....
        Thus, only one beautiful name and that's it ...
        This 1st TA, even under the Union, was inferior in tanks to the 1st British AK (3 BTC with 260-300 tanks in each), and now there is nothing to compare with ...
        
        In general, I consider all this "bodyguard" with the disbandment of divisions and the creation of brigades (actively pushed by the "ex-Marshal Taburetkin") to be the exclusive foolishness of the "close-minded" manager of a furniture office !!! AND NO MORE!
        
        I agree. However, something had to be done with cropped divisions, which in essence were regimental / brigade groups with dubious combat readiness ...
        Serdyukov, in essence, did all the "dirty work" showed how not to do it and reduced a large number of officers from cadre units, depriving the Russian Federation of officers who did not have soldiers and experience in commanding and control ... command and control skills ...
        In a country with such a gigantic territory and a large population, the brigades are TOTAL FOOL! Brigades are good for countries with a small territory and not a very large population: For Belarus, Georgia, Azerbaijan, Armenia .... Even for Ukraine! But for us - NO!
        
        Why did the PLA switch to a brigade system, leaving 6 divisions (not included in any formation, but being separate formations of district and central subordination) ...
        We need Divisions and Armies
        
        We need - AK (with units of corps subordination), divisions and brigades with a permanent composition and the same staff (otherwise our MSD have three types of staff) ... and DShBr. I would return the ground forces again, subjecting the commanders of the AK (Okrugs) ... the number of tanks in TB must be increased, the number of companies in battalions should be increased, TB and MSB should be mixed (for example: TB - 4 TP + MSR, MSB -4 MSR + tr) .. IMHO ..
        But in order to command such heterogeneous units and formations, commanders and brigades of other formations are needed ...
        At the moment, all our OA are frameworks of associations, without filling they look like MK of the period 1941.
        All our OA have a different composition from 2 brigades to one division and several brigades ...
        you can form tactical groups: brigade or battalion. Depending on the circumstances!
        
        Why, if in each AK there will be brigades of the same composition, and if necessary, such such groups (brigade) can be formed from a division or use this division in full strength, reinforced with corps subordination units and RVGK units ...
        PS Do you think in vain that the Yankes as part of each infantry division contain 2 brigade headquarters, which in peacetime are safely engaged in "doing nothing"?
        
        In fact, in almost every division of the US Army Ground Forces and the US Army, there are three brigades + in each division of the AA ...
        I did not graduate from the Military Academy, but this is my opinion, the time of mobilization armies has passed ... even the PRC and the DPRK understand this ...
        
        yehat2
        
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        5 October 2020 09: 54
        
        Serdyukov's results cannot be assessed unambiguously.
        he cut everything in a row - somewhere it was reasonable, somewhere not. It remains to be understood how many people were simply taken away according to black schemes.
        It is worth recalling that the generals did not help him in any way to do this reasonably, everyone lobbied for their interests, so Serdyukov did as he wanted.
        As for the mobilization armies. Everything rests on the low level of management.
        If an army is split into brigades, chaos will begin, tk. the headquarters are not ready to quickly attach the necessary units to the brigades.
        
        Lara Croft
        
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        5 October 2020 21: 03
        
        Quote: yehat2
        Everything depends on low level of control.
        If you break up an army into brigades, chaos will begin. the headquarters are not ready to quickly attach the necessary units to the brigades.
        
        Golden words ...
        I am not an adherent of the brigade system, a scientific approach is needed everywhere, however, if you breed new associations, then nothing good will come of it, although there will be many officers and generals ...
        I suggested
        We need - AK (with units of corps subordination), divisions and brigades with a permanent composition and the same staff
        , on the main strategic directions of the AK as part of divisions and brigades, on the secondary AK as part of the brigades ...
Lipchanin

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4 October 2020 07: 48

If a tank battle takes place in Ladakh in the current situation, I can assure you that their light tanks have no chance against our T-90 and T-72

How little children scare each other every week.
They won't fight anyway
1. Hypertension
  
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  4 October 2020 11: 52
  
  Quote: Lipchanin
  How little children scare each other every week.
  They won't fight anyway
  
  Who could have guessed that the war would start in Donbass? And in Karabakh (of exactly this intensity)? Human stupidity is unpredictable.
2. Lara Croft
  
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  4 October 2020 12: 57
  
  Quote: Lipchanin
  How little children scare each other every week. They won't fight anyway
  
  They have already fought with each other ...
Nikolay Ivanov_5

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4 October 2020 07: 50

May prudence be their guard.
Fedor Sokolov

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4 October 2020 07: 53

Unfortunately, in modern wars, tanks do not have a serious weight, this has been shown by experience in Syria, Libya and Nagorno-Karabakh.
1. Livonetc
  
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  4 October 2020 08: 02
  
  In Syria, experience has shown otherwise.
  Namely, the need to make changes in the tactics of using this type of military equipment.
  1. nnm
    
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    4 October 2020 08: 32
    
    And in Nagorno-Karabakh, after the breakthrough of the first line near Fizuli, it was the tank brigade of the 4th army corps that was thrown into battle.
    I think some colleagues do not quite understand that tanks, ideally, even from the theory and practice of blitzkrieg, are intended primarily not to smash their foreheads against their fellow tribesmen, but exactly the opposite, to enter like a knife into butter at least protected areas, covering the defending units and formations.
    So, it's too early to bury the tanks.
  2. Doliva63
    
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    4 October 2020 20: 27
    
    Quote: Livonetc
    In Syria, experience has shown otherwise.
    Namely, the need to make changes in the tactics of using this type of military equipment.
    
    All options for using tanks are described in detail in the BUSV, there are no others. But who else would read this BUSV, right?
    1. yehat2
      
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      5 October 2020 09: 58
      
      I don't think everything is written there.
      especially, this applies to increasing the capabilities of ATGMs and urban battles.
      But if the tankers did what the grandfathers could do in 34-ka, it would be a lot.
      1. Doliva63
        
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        5 October 2020 19: 10
        
        Quote: yehat2
        I don't think everything is written there.
        especially, this applies to increasing the capabilities of ATGMs and urban battles.
        But if the tankers did what the grandfathers could do in 34-ka, it would be a lot.
        
        And you read at your leisure. And about the "city battles" too. Although, as my father said, the charter is not a dogma, but a guide to action. And I agree with him And by the way, yes. Having visited 79 OA in the DRA in 40, he (a participant in the Second World War, by the way) spat very much in the "current army." At that time, the old school still remained only in the Groups in the West. What now - I can't imagine. We can say: the war will show, but I would not want to. By the way, the first black-and-white video "Tank Waltz" was filmed in my school. Night, blizzard, beams of searchlights, waltz "Blizzard" Sviridov, like, and two tanks are performing. So we have always had a touch in young minds. How they are further disposed of is another question.
2. unhappy
  
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  4 October 2020 08: 16
  
  Another funeral of tank units. It's funny.
  The experience of Syria has shown that the infantry refuses to attack without the support of armor and strong cannons. Suicide bombers and fanatics are from the field of computer games
3. Lara Croft
  
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  4 October 2020 12: 58
  
  Quote: Fedor Sokolov
  Unfortunately, in modern warfare, tanks do not carry much weight.
  
  Tell this to Israeli Jews ...
4. Doliva63
  
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  4 October 2020 20: 29
  
  Quote: Fedor Sokolov
  Unfortunately, in modern wars, tanks do not have a serious weight, this has been shown by experience in Syria, Libya and Nagorno-Karabakh.
  
  I haven't read such nonsense for a long time. Congratulations, made you happy!
tralflot1832

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4 October 2020 07: 55

A little more on Ladakh and winter will begin, everyone will not be before the war. And so, because of the Himalayas, you can pop into each other with rackets. A kind of tennis. The Himalayas are a kind of grid. My opinion China is driving misinformation with India. Its interests are from Japan and down to the Southeast and the Maltsa southwest, why should they climb through the mountains .. Why should they fight, went in with the yuan and bought everything on the vine.
1. Lara Croft
  
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  4 October 2020 13: 00
  
  Quote: tralflot1832
  Why should they climb through the mountains .. Why should they fight, went with the yuan and bought everything on the vine.
  
  They are building a "piece of iron" in Pakistan, so that they can then be supplied with Middle Eastern oil ...
  1. tralflot1832
    
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    4 October 2020 13: 11
    
    Probably the most high-mountainous piece of iron will be in the world. I did not know dig deeper.
rotkiv04

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4 October 2020 08: 11

The tanks are good, no doubt, only the time of tank battles is already in the past
1. Nychego
  
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  4 October 2020 08: 56
  
  Quote: rotkiv04
  ... the time of tank battles is already in the past
  
  Not a fact - very different tanks will be needed, not 70, 82, 90, which in fact are the embodiment of the dreams of designers of the middle of the 20th century, but completely different machines, hung in three layers with "Curtains" and other curtains, protected in ALL projections in sufficient, big-eyed, intelligent, capable of shooting down "gliding" bombs and kamikaze drones in batches.
  And, of course, they act in close cooperation with all other weapon systems on the battlefield.
  Otherwise, yes, the tank is the dust that Kali danced while dancing on the battlefield.
  1. rocket757
    
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    4 October 2020 09: 10
    
    Quote: Nychego
    And, of course, they act in close cooperation with all other weapon systems on the battlefield.
    
    Everything is correct. Serious opponents have a lot and will use it all on the battlefield.
    The one who is better equipped and prepared has the advantage! And then, everything depends on the commanders and soldiers. Not only technique, preparation, but also fighting spirit is required for victory ... however, the element of luck cannot be discounted.
  2. Vol4ara
    
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    4 October 2020 09: 21
    
    Quote: Nychego
    Quote: rotkiv04
    ... the time of tank battles is already in the past
    
    Not a fact - very different tanks will be needed, not 70, 82, 90, which in fact are the embodiment of the dreams of designers of the middle of the 20th century, but completely different machines, hung in three layers with "Curtains" and other curtains, protected in ALL projections in sufficient, big-eyed, intelligent, capable of shooting down "gliding" bombs and kamikaze drones in batches.
    And, of course, they act in close cooperation with all other weapon systems on the battlefield.
    Otherwise, yes, the tank is the dust that Kali danced while dancing on the battlefield.
    
    And also able to fly and swim
    1. Nychego
      
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      4 October 2020 09: 51
      
      Quote: Vol4ara
      And also able to fly and swim
      
      Oha, also with the words "Eva-00" "Eva-01" and further to "Eva-08", it seems. True, in the original the inscriptions are in Japanese, but this can be neglected ...
      
      While a tank is a tank, and not a fantastic mechanoid, but a tank for the battlefield of the next decades of the 21st century is not a T-92 and even hardly something on the Armata platform. Alas Tagil ...
      1. Lara Croft
        
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        4 October 2020 13: 08
        
        Quote: Nychego
        even hardly anything on the Armata platform. Alas Tagil ...
        
        Share information about more advanced combat platforms existing among the Empireists, or, as always, would you just throw something on the fan ....?
        
        Nychego
        
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        4 October 2020 13: 14
        
        Quote: Lara Croft
        Share information about the more advanced combat platforms that the Empireists have ...
        
        They do not have this in service. Not yet.
        It is true that we are somehow not very good with shock UAVs: there are many names, a lot of promises, and in service ... an M32x250mm bolt. But in China, this is more fun and more objective.
        
        Lara Croft
        
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        4 October 2020 14: 46
        
        Quote: Nychego
        Quote: Lara Croft
        Share information about the more advanced combat platforms that the Empireists have ...
        
        They do not have this in service. Not yet.
        
        Well, okay ...
        It is true that we are somehow not very good with shock UAVs: there are many names, a lot of promises, and in service ... an M32x250mm bolt. But in China, this is more fun and more objective.
        
        We'll talk about attack UAVs, aircraft carriers, UDC in a separate thematic article, okay?
  3. paul3390
    
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    4 October 2020 10: 57
    
    How much will such a miracle of technology cost ?? In this situation, the tank troops of even the great powers will be numbered in the hundreds, for all the rest - in the tens .. And three tanks in the offensive will no longer be the characters of the anecdote ..
    1. Nychego
      
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      4 October 2020 12: 46
      
      Quote: paul3390
      How much will such a miracle of technology cost?
      
      No more expensive than defeat.
      Naturally, there will be fewer expensive tanks, but let's remember the Iraqi Death Road from Kuwait. There were many tanks, though all were either burnt or abandoned by the crews.
      You can again remember the summer of 1941 with the roads and fields of the Bialystok salient, on which there are so many Soviet tanks left.
      This is only in Fallout “War never changese”, but in reality it is even a change, and those who do not have time to prepare for a new war are defeated in battles and battles.
      1. paul3390
        
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        4 October 2020 13: 02
        
        IMHO - in the examples you cited, it was not at all about outdated tanks ..
        
        Nychego
        
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        4 October 2020 13: 08
        
        Quote: paul3390
        in the examples you have given, it was not at all about obsolete tanks.
        
        In many ways inconsistent with the real nature of the war.
        
        Lara Croft
        
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        4 October 2020 14: 48
        
        Quote: Nychego
        Quote: paul3390
        in the examples you have given, it was not at all about obsolete tanks.
        
        In many ways inconsistent with the real nature of the war.
        
        Those. someone in the world except the USSR in 1941, for example, had heavy tanks?
  4. yehat2
    
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    5 October 2020 10: 06
    
    weld a tin shield on top (as the Germans did on stugIII or PzIV) and all these javelins or Bayraktar ammunition will become useless. And no eyes or curtains are needed.
2. Mavrikiy
  
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  4 October 2020 09: 02
  
  Quote: rotkiv04
  only the time of tank battles is already in the past
  Everything is not so simple. Tank battles in Syria, Karabakh, Tibet are not worth waiting for. But isolated collisions, why not. On the Ruin, during the active phase, battles of tank columns happened.
3. Lara Croft
  
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  4 October 2020 13: 04
  
  Quote: rotkiv04
  The tanks are good, no doubt, only the time of tank battles is already in the past
  
  That's just, the United States, China, South Caucasus, India and Israeli Jews do not reduce their tank parks, moreover, they constantly modernize it, and the Russian Federation has developed another new generation tank, maybe because these countries are constantly at war and the price of tanks, as well as the ways of their use in they know the main types of combat ...
Coconut

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4 October 2020 09: 05

against our T-90 and T-72
against Russian ... yes I agree
Jacket in stock

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4 October 2020 11: 58

Was it not here on VO a little earlier that they wrote that Indian (our) T72 and T90 are not capable of fighting on all landscapes and simply physically will not reach where the Chinese "mountaineers".
Of course, a heavy tank is certainly better in battle than a light one.
But a light tank is much better than none.
Lara Croft

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4 October 2020 12: 41

Tank commander of the Indian Armed Forces

The writer of the article apparently sneered at the members of the forum, he would still have Uncle Vasya's head. shop would ask ....
Apparently, the commanders of a tank formation of the Indian Army do not give interviews to journalists and do not write scientific articles about the use of tank units in modern combat conditions ...
Kostadinov

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5 October 2020 10: 33

Quote: businessv
Damansky was repulsed by the motorized infantry of the 135th, and after a second attempt, Damansky was plowed with Grads, so that no one could pull anything to themselves.

Damansky was not "recaptured" and after 1969 he remained Chinese, which he beat until 1969.