The bridge survived, unlike the villages: the chronicle of the fighting in Karabakh on the video of the sides

The Azerbaijani Defense Ministry demonstrates footage of the territories taken under its control. We are talking about the village of Talysh. At the same time, a column of automobile military equipment is shown, crushed at one of the mountain passes, military vehicles, which are separately found along the roadbed.

The village of Magadiz was also under the control of Baku. Immediately after that, the head of the republic, Ilham Aliyev, returned to this settlement historical name, renaming it Sugovushan.

Video footage from the Armenian side demonstrates preparation for defense on the basis of civilian infrastructure, indicating the approach of the enemy to settlements.

The destruction of civilian objects is captured. It is difficult to call Baku's attempt to destroy the bridge leading from Karabakh to Armenia successful. Judging by the available materials, the strike of the OTRK of Israeli origin LORA fell on the "edge" of the structure. The bridge survived, although earlier the Azerbaijani side announced its destruction. The fence indicates that the bridge is only partially non-functional. In this regard, questions arise about the effectiveness of the use of the Israeli system, which has a warhead weighing 240, 400 (high-explosive fragmentation) and 600 kg (penetrating). There is information about the use of Baku MLRS LAR-160, also of Israeli origin.

Apparently, the Azerbaijani troops managed to capture a number of strategic heights. At least one video shows artillery shelling at a number of highlands surrounding the Armenian positions.

Based on materials taken from Azerbaijani drones, depicts the defeat of armored vehicles and personnel by air strikes. In particular, clusters are attacked tanks, which are disabled in turn.

Despite the air superiority of the drone aviation Azerbaijan, the anti-aircraft fire of the Armenian troops makes it possible to eliminate a number of targets, in particular, the video, as stated, shows the destruction of the rotorcraft.

In a number of cases, it is possible to strike at the enemy headquarters: as explained in Baku, the destruction of a field command post was recorded from the UAV.

The capture of a group of Armenian soldiers is announced during the capture of one of the strongholds.

Armenian troops actively use artillery and anti-tank systems, causing damage to the enemy's military equipment.

A number of attacks by Azerbaijani units are "cut off" by fire from an arrow weapons... The well-developed fortification infrastructure allows to restrain the enemy offensive.

Comments

[Victor_B]

Yes, the war is going on like an adult!
The technique, although not the latest, is still quite modern.
It is possible to compare the capabilities of the equipment based on the results of the battles.
The military air defense of Armenia turned out to be completely ineffective, Osa AKM - everything! (Alas, Bobik is dead ...) Although no one knows how many UAVs were shot down and which ones by Wasp. After all, they beat something anyway.
Even Thor got caught in the distribution. (At least one installation was destroyed.)

[Victor_B]

Objective air defense of Armenia, it is unclear here.
Some S-125s were destroyed.
The S-300, it seems, worked successfully, although, of course, it is not known for what purpose, and the result, too.

In general, the conclusion can be made that in modern warfare, UAVs are a VERY correct weapon.
So, it is absolutely necessary to develop and improve electronic warfare, well, all "small-caliber" (for little things) systems.

[hrych]

Experts have calculated the losses of the Karabakh people from the UAV video. The following came out:
Tanks - 18 units
BMP - 4 units
MTLB - 4 units
ACS - 1 unit
Artillery - 7 units
SAM - 13 units
MLRS - 14 units
Personnel - more than 60 people
Even without considering that a decent number of plywood targets were hit, as well as repeated hits of those already hit, the numbers are not so fantastic. Also, several defeats of the same vehicles, but fixed from different UAVs. But for agitprop purposes it works effectively. Pay attention to track marks. They are clearly visible. If there is no trace behind, for example, a tank, then it is set as a false target.
A week of fighting has been going on and they took (and even then in question) the unfortunate Magadiz. Khodorenok noted that in 6 days our troops took Konigsberg, and the Israelis completely defeated a huge army of Arabs during this time. It is also reported that a powerful blow was struck at the airfield where the F-16 are located. Also shown are many killed from the Baku side, damaged and captured vehicles, not for everyone on armored resources.
Pashinyan's slow degeneration continues, cuts off phones, does not let Merkel sleep, but to no avail, he got to the bottom of us again, and gave birth to the idea of ​​Russian peacekeepers. Immediately Navkin retorted that they say, how bae is needed by mutual consent ...

[hrych]

Here are today's footage of the Ministry of Defense Az-a. Obviously raskurochenny earlier machine, and instead of guides, some kind of curved box

There is one battlefield here (it is on the video), there are the fallen fighters of Az-na in one place, like half of all the injured NKR fighters in the UAV video

It was also Az's mistake that they began to hit Stepanokert when the three hundred thousandth Ganja was within the reach of even the NKR MLRS. And today's strike on a military airfield is a serious thing. Also, a photo with captured Armenians is an obvious fake. From a distance, faces are not visible, etc. So they would have arranged a video show with kicks, etc. As usual they did it.

[Bakinec]

Yes, in your opinion, everything that the Azerbaijani side shows is all fake. Calm down already.

[hrych]

Not all, but up to a third of those affected were false targets and all kinds of rubbish. And you will calm down already. Neither Armenian nor Azerbaijani propaganda is interesting to us here. The Islamists and the Soros are equally not friends for us. We analyze strategy and tactics. Listen to you, so it's time to seize Yeravan, and listen to them so Ankara is under siege. There is a video and we analyze them. Your videos, so we see, incl. and plywood boxes. What's not to like?

[Bakinec]

I do not like the fact that you see pseudo - fakes only on Az video. sides. And you have no complaints about the Armenian videos, photo materials (for example, a photo of the T90 where one tank was photographed from different angles and presented as two tanks). And where did you see Islamists in Azerbaijan?

[hrych]

I repeat that there is no trust in Armenprop either. They simply do not have a video from the UAV, and videos directly from the battlefield do not raise many questions. Our task here is not to oppose Az-na, he, on the contrary, helps us in training the magpie. And try to get an objective picture. Here Military Review is so, not a fantasy forum And if we see plywood, then we will not be silent

[TermNachTer]

They also showed a plywood "wasp", I think that not 30% of false targets were destroyed, but maybe more. The Armenians also did not sit idly by these years. For 30 years it was possible to dig underground shelters for equipment with a large supply.

[Oquzyurd]

In one day, rather so many losses. Your spyr is a genius

[hrych]

Both of your countries ... do not know how to fight. This is the main conclusion. Also, given the superiority in people and technology, Az-n fights even worse than the worst. Therefore, there is nothing to boast about before us. And here is an expert who enthusiastically posted azerprop.

[voyaka uh]

"Both of your countries ... do not know how to fight" ////
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One country destroyed all armored vehicles in a few days
another country. But he can't fight ...
This is Khrych: "epic writers lead the story"

[hrych]

If destroyed, then Stepanokert would have fallen. Has he fallen? Therefore ...
You ask Hezbollah if the Russians want wars,
To the sound of Bassoon - a grenade launcher.
And you, Alexei, as a great military expert, fields a carrot ...

[voyaka uh]

What is the connection between the destruction of equipment and the fall of the district capital?
Japan in 1905 destroyed absolutely the entire fleet (from all seas)
Russian Empire. By the last large ship.
But she did not win the war. And no one said that Japan did not know how to fight.

[hrych]

Japan knows how to fight. But we settled for 1905. And the millionth Kwantung Army was destroyed and the islands were cleaned up. The last word is ours. But Azerbaijan is not. Israel coped well with the Arabs, and Hezbollah gave the Tsahal in the horn ... a couple of times. Hezbollah destroyed more tanks than can be seen on Turkish UAVs, so what? Any doubts that Russia knows how to fight? Ask the Germans. Vaughn Erdogan and Jerusalem proclaimed Turkish, and you harnessed for it. Unconsciously.

[Elturisto]

The USSR defeated the Germans and the Japanese, calm down already ...

[hrych]

Go and argue with Stalin. He said who won.

[DrEng527]

Quote: voyaka uh

By the last large ship.

I think that the BRKR Thunderbolt and Russia are small ships - 12 tons each

[TermNachTer]

Chernomorsky did not participate. The Turks, under pressure from the British, blocked the passage through the Straits. So not all))))

[Krasnodar]

Quote: hrych

If destroyed, then Stepanokert would have fallen. Has he fallen? Therefore ...
You ask Hezbollah if the Russians want wars,
To the sound of Bassoon - a grenade launcher.
And you, Alexei, as a great military expert, fields a carrot ...

And why should I ask Hezbollah - they yelled in captivity that they wanted peace. And those who were not in captivity, the world were interrogated only the second time, on Israeli terms

[TermNachTer]

In one day, all the enemy's armored vehicles?)))) Where does the information come from?))) I personally, so far, only observe cheerful reports from Baku, confirmed by videos of very dubious quality. The real result is a damaged bridge. Everything else, from Munchausen

[TermNachTer]

How can you see that they are Armenian?))) It takes 5 minutes to draw identification marks, and then wash it off in a minute with a solvent)))

[smart fellow]

Khodorenok also said that Azerbaijanis will run out of shells in a few days? And the Azerbaijanis in the SA only served as cooks, but the cooks are good at it.
Nagorno-Karabakh is a natural fortress, fortified on flat areas with several strips of barbed wire obstacles (it was in the video where 3 tanks and a transporter were spinning in one place, but they did not go forward until one of the tanks, apparently from ATGMs, was knocked out) and minefields. This open space is covered with artillery and ATGMs are disguised in the rocks.
It is known from history that fortresses were sometimes besieged for months and years, and Nagorno-Karabakh is a huge fortified area. Attacking a fortified pillbox with 3 hundred soldiers head-on with a division as in the Finnish war and putting a third of the division at the same time is not the best method of warfare.
If the F-16s were in Azerbaijan, they would be photographed from space. The French would certainly not have kept silent. Poor Macron, immediately after proposing to introduce sanctions against Russia, said that he needed to call Putin on the Karabakh problem. In France, the Armenian diaspora has great political weight, such that it can put pressure on the French president. Less in Russia and in the USA.
And, about Khodorenka. He may have served 30 years in the SA, but that doesn't make him a military expert. This is, of course, my personal opinion, but an analyst from him is bad. Through time the finger hits the sky.

[hrych]

Khodorenok is one of the recognized and respected experts. Like it or not, it's a fact. Let's be honest, the operation for the liberation of Karabakh itself was planned incorrectly. You could even say foolishly. Certainly the General Staff of Turkey. Therefore, the head of the General Staff, Az-na, was accused of espionage and hello. He just apparently, if he himself did not graduate from the Academy of the General Staff of the Russian Federation, then at least had such advisers. And he fundamentally disagreed with this adventure. The result is on the face. Panic and destruction in Ganja. There are many tales about the Finnish, but the war was won and thanks to territorial acquisitions Leningrad did not fall. Also, the conclusions were made by the Red Army, which the Wehrmacht did not. Logistics, etc. The same Manerheim line in the Second World War was blown to shreds. Those. paid in full.

[smart fellow]

Do you and the F-16 have a fact? Have you also dragged fake about Turkey? Probably Khodorenok is one of the recognized and respected experts. I expressed my opinion that he is a shitty analyst, having read several articles earlier where he gave his interpretation. He misunderstood the situation and his predictions did not come true. Here is the same case.

[Albay]

That's right, you say you bastard Armenian fakes are spreading here and pretending to be an expert. Nobody, except the Armenians and their henchmen, NSH Sadykov accuses Sadykov of espionage and he continues to carry out his service at his post. In Ganja, there is no panic, everyone understands that this is the agony of the enemy. Today, the valiant army of Azerbaijan has completely liberated the Jabrayil region and the city of Jabrayil. Khodorenok is as underaxpert as you are.

[hrych]

Don't say gop ... In that war you also had an advantage, and then Shusha fell and Aghdam. Is that a fake too? What is that bunch?
And mind you, the fog has descended and where is Beyraktar, maybe Anka the machine gunner will arrive? Now the fog will take your fighters.
https://vk.com/feed?z=video-189952569_456239023%2F2cabe461f7ef87dbfc%2Fpl_post_-189952569_196
I read the resources of both sides. And what do I see from Azerbaijani commentators. They say cut, kill, burn, rape. Believe me, the Armenians have single types, but on the whole they are worthy. And after strikes on peaceful Stepanokert, all the guys, we are not on our way.

[Albay]

What was the advantage?
The Armenians were preparing for a long time, they were helped by regular units, plus they received weapons and militants from abroad. At first, even hunting weapons were taken away from us. When the army was created, there was political instability and the lack of officers of the lower and middle echelon. I don't see the video, I can't evaluate The Armenians and I have not been on our way for a long time, since the time when they committed atrocities in Khojaly, and Malybeyli and in other cities.
Before the attacks on Khankendi, the Armenians beat for a long time in the Goranboy region, Ter ter and other cities. In Naftalan, on the very first day of the clash, a family of 5 people was killed by a direct hit in the house. Armenian fakes. Especially on the side of me that you and the Armenians are on the way.
Our cause is just, we will win!

[hrych]

Quote: Albay

Our cause is just, we will win!

Your cause is not right and you will not win. You can't start a war. You cannot attract terrorists, You cannot shoot at civilians. Therefore, it took a long time to prepare, but the output will be nothing. The UAV is great, but everything is decided on the ground. And the conquerors walked proudly, but they ran quickly
https://vk.com/video-164246427_456241641
https://vk.com/video-189952569_456239024
And the campaign was "taken" like this "Matagiz" and even managed to rename ... There are fewer of them, they are worse armed, but did not flinch. I have finally decided. I am for them.

[hrych]

Thirty years ago, what happened was ended by peace and negotiations. Whoever violated the peace is the aggressor. It all started with Sumgait and the rest of the investigation. Who started it? You stop the hysteria, save your nerves, they will still be useful to you. All the disappointments are yet to come. Going against the Minsk Group? Did they hope for Erdogan? And nothing that the United States, Russia and France rule in the Minsk Group. Have they spat on them? What if they spit? Someone will drown. You just need to think a little not with your nose, but where it grows from. Given a small country oil, a good climate, the sea. It was possible to build a fairy kingdom. No, you need blood, and there will be blood and ruins. Would have suffered, the magpie himself would have destroyed everything, in a year or two. I have no words.

[hrych]

Do not think that I am running over you. I even understand your feelings. But war is always a tragedy and it is easy to start, but difficult to stop. Yes, Pashinyan began to play up. Yes, Aliyev hoped that with the departure of the Karabakh clan there would be progress, at least in the occupied regions. Yes, he bungled good forces for ... self-defense. But what a lesheva he unleashed a massacre.

[Albay]

It all started with Kafan, Gugark and other cities of Armenia. In Sumgait, Armenian Eduard Grigoryan killed and led the pogroms. The USSR Prosecutor General's Office established that he killed 6 out of 18 Armenians and raped the Melkumyan sisters.

[hrych]

I agree. Stand each other. Therefore, the Mingechevir reservoir will judge, so that they will no longer be mischievous for ever and ever. This toilet barrel can be flushed and flushed ... I wonder who invented and implemented this. I'm talking about the construction of this structure. The difference in heights of the water mirror of the reservoir and the tank, as much as 100 meters So you don't even know about that. An earthquake can trigger your aggressive actions. One Karabakh and there will be a second Ararat and Noy

[Albay]

On the ground, too, we decide. I deeply cares what you are for them, if you have an ass, come on the spot help those for whom you are. Then I respect)))

[hrych]

All you have is one ass on your mind. Because you ... I saw the shooting, where the Armenian took off his pants from the corpse of the asker in the truck, in the heap of your corpses and stomped on the naked ... In short, I understood.

[TermNachTer]

How many houses in that city?))) 50 or as many as 60?))) Even WWII showed that the seizure of territories is beautiful for those who do not understand anything. The main thing is the destruction of the enemy's armed forces. And this is still very far away, if at all possible. Do you think Erdogan will help you endlessly? I don't think he has enough of his own problems. While Azerbaijan is fighting itself, Turkey only helps, but if the war drags on, and it is already dragging on. He may have difficulties in other places.

[DrEng527]

Quote: hrych

There are many tales about Finnish,

read on 44sd

Quote: hrych

thanks to territorial acquisitions, Leningrad did not fall.

1) the Finns are stopped at the UR, which was on the old border ...
2) who knows if there was a blockade of Leningrad in 41, if not for the war of 39-40, the Finns did not even begin to fight before our bombing ...

[Vadim237]

It is known from history that fortresses were sometimes besieged for months and years, and Nagorno-Karabakh is a huge fortified area. It is useless against the artillery of the MLRS OTRK and attack drones - everything will be covered and smashed. Azerbaijan will destroy all the equipment and artillery of Karabakh - and it will be zazdets.

[hrych]

Moreover, for years. True, there was no such weapon as it is now.

[maiman61]

And who is Pashinyan, rattle about Russian peacekeepers?

[Dron_sk]

Quote: hrych

Pashinyan's slow degeneration continues, cuts off phones, does not let Merkel sleep, but to no avail, he got to the bottom of us again, and gave birth to the idea of ​​Russian peacekeepers. Immediately Navkin retorted that they say, how bae is needed by mutual consent ...

You contradict yourself: you question the success of the Azerbaijanis and immediately write yourself that Pashinyan cuts off Merkel's phone and puts forward the idea of ​​Russian peacekeepers.
1. If the successes of Azerbaijan are not so significant, then why should the head of Armenia call the heads of the countries from which he expects help, so he still does not believe in himself? So far, Azerbaijan is advancing, and the Armenians are retreating, even if not a blitzkrieg, but this already speaks of who is more successful in this war.
2. In your opinion, the Armenians have only those losses that were captured by the UAV and posted on the network?
3. "Do you have any doubts that Russia knows how to fight? Ask the Germans." The skill in that war came to us only 2 years after its start ... At the cost of our huge losses, the enemy taught us to wage a modern war. And not only by skill alone, to be honest, we won then, but also at the cost of mobilizing human and all other resources from all over the vast country, at the cost of courage, dedication and resilience of the people. And in that war on the side of the USSR, I want to remind you, both the Azerbaijanis, whom you now accuse of not knowing how to fight, and the Jews, whom you strive to prick at every opportunity, fought. So you harangue in vain and too often, you have a large rating and a lot of posts on this site, but still, a man should be first of all distinguished by his real deeds, not his words ...
4. You write that Aliyev will come to bow to Putin in Sochi. But it won't. No matter how this war ends, it will lead to even greater rapprochement between Azerbaijan and Turkey.
PS I'm Russian, I'm just more objective than you.

[hrych]

Pashinyan is obliged to do this. Plus the Turkish threat. And the war for the weak Armenian economy, and for anyone, is not a gift. And his office must fall. He did not prepare for war, he did not prevent war, etc. According to the Second World War. You will teach history. No offense. Especially about the defeat of the Germans near Moscow. It was there that the outcome of the war was decided. Yes, Stalingrad and Duga were ahead, but the Barbarossa Plan was thwarted precisely in the Battle of Moscow. And the betrayal of Pavlov and other scoundrels no longer oppressed, strategic factories were evacuated, etc. And why the war continued, so they fought with all of Europe, and the factories needed time. Peter also survived. They defended him not after two years, but immediately. And when the military-industrial complex started working, objectively they began to break the bones of the Reich machine. No one denies the participation of other peoples. And the Armenians fought, and with a galaxy of military leaders. But no one has the right to believe that it is not the leading role of our people. And Stalin raised a toast not to the Soviet, but to the Russian people. Go and argue with Stalin, not me. The Armenians have other losses, but they work from defense and no one has canceled the laws of war. If the attackers are repulsed, they leave more corpses. Aliyev went, goes and will go to bow. And the GDP is manipulating not even Aliyev, but Erdogan himself. If you do not notice this, then it is sad. You can call yourself Russian, of course, but I don't believe.

[Albay]

With a galaxy of warlords?
They wrote about Baghramyan here more than once, how exactly "thanks" to him, the Soviet troops where he was the chief of staff of the army were surrounded and only Mikoyan's intercession saved him. How he sent a bottle of water from the Baltic to Stalin and what answer he received. later he promoted Babajanyan as a commander.

[hrych]

Quote: Albay

With a galaxy of warlords?

These
https://miaban.ru/info/armenia/arutyunyan_3/

[Albay]

I told about two of them, and here on the website it was written in detail what kind of "military leaders" they were.
I can’t watch any video or links.

[wmn5500]

What day I just read, but today your categorical figures have surprised me! You seem to be more Armenian than the Ministry of Defense of Armenia, for even this department officially published the names of 207 dead Armenian servicemen officially! And here you are writing about 60! And how do you command to believe your numbers? Or the numbers of your supposedly "experts"?

[hrych]

Don't be confused, I quoted the UAV frame count. The total losses are naturally greater.

[wmn5500]

That's why I am not confusing and added supposedly "experts". The numbers are not correct and differ even from the recognized Armenian ones! Thus, the "experts" are lying!

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: Victor_B

In general, the conclusion can be made that in modern warfare, UAVs are a VERY correct weapon.

Such a conclusion was already fixed for a long time, but each made these conclusions for himself in different ways.
В июне 1982 years, during the fifth Arab-Israeli war, a strange "attack" suddenly hit the Syrian air defense system. A large number of launchers and command posts were destroyed in a short period. And often Israeli missiles hit directly into the open hatches of ground vehicles, which did not fit well with the theory of probability. The military experts invited by the Syrian leadership from the Soviet Union then concluded: the Israelis used new tactics - combination of UAVs with on-board television cameras and missiles guided with their help. This was the first such spectacular use of unmanned aircraft, which already has total air domination today.

[hrych]

Quote: Vitaly Gusin

already today has total air domination.

Libya has shown the opposite. At first, yes, the Haftarites retreated, if not fled to Sirte. But then air strikes and ballistic missiles were struck at Turkish SAM installations, aircraft and control centers. And the redeployed Armor arranged a dronefall for Beiraktaram and Ankam. And as a result, the lightning attack on Sirte failed, and Egypt's ultimatum did not allow the Turks to massively use their aircraft, etc. Therefore, one should not exaggerate the UAV and draw global conclusions from the propaganda images. It is effective against Aboriginal people and between Aboriginal people. When front-line aviation and ballistic missiles are involved, this does not work. Now the Armenians have begun to use Tochka-U and all the UAV's achievements have died out. Two airfields were damaged with equipment, which is damage for Turkey, not that ...

[Krasnodar]

Why only between the aborigines? Drones, together with OTR and KR, will easily demolish any air defense system, and with the superiority of the side using them, the Air Force will very quickly have air behind it

[hrych]

Normal air defense, in combination with electronic warfare, is obliged to stop this rubbish. And the Armed Forces should not sit and wait for the enemy, but destroy its control centers for UAVs, ballistic and cruise missiles. Ideally, of course, it is better to burn with a nuclear charge, including its EMP. But Krasuha must also disrupt communications with the UAV up to 300 km (more than the coastline of Israel), and the EMP cannon is already burning out electronics at a distance of 10 km. This is the future, and the UAV is already the past. And believe me, the Armenians will quickly adapt and give an adequate answer.

[voyaka uh]

"Ideally, of course, it is better to burn with a nuclear charge, including its EMP: ///
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There is nothing else.

[hrych]

I wonder how many SSBNs are there in Israel, which has everything? Maybe there is strategic aviation? With its leaky dome with Kassams, i.e. you can't cope with flying fecal pipes, but there too .. To the coast of Haifa and wait for Poseidon

[Krasnodar]

Quote: hrych

I wonder how many SSBNs are there in Israel, which has everything? Maybe there is strategic aviation? With its leaky dome with Kassams, i.e. you can't cope with flying fecal pipes, but there too .. To the coast of Haifa and wait for Poseidon

Why would Israel need strategic aviation to hammer Iran's AUG? As for the Qassams - you got excited, in 2014 more than 100 serial Iranian and Syrian missiles were shot at Tel Aviv from Gaza - all were shot down by a "leaky dome" - I know, because my office was just opposite the General Staff. Qassam is a more difficult target for WA. And in general - if you compare the Middle Eastern Dwarf with a superpower, then this is ridiculous - the Jews have no targets to defeat overseas, there are no other threats, and the level of training of the Israeli conscript in the military forces is very high compared to the absolute majority of countries in the world

[hrych]

Quote: Krasnodar

You are comparing the Middle Eastern Dwarf with a superpower, then this is ridiculous - the Jews have no targets to defeat overseas, there are no other threats

Well, how. There are threats. The same Pakistan, not to mention Iran, is said to have aimed missiles at Palestine Perhaps an early warning missile system would be useful to Israel, although, of course, without the depth of the territory ... They say (yours) there are mines with Pakistani missiles in Saudi Arabia. And so, on the little things.

[Krasnodar]

There is an early warning system, Pakistan, within the framework of cooperation (obtaining sponsorship funds) with other Muslim countries, spoke a lot about Israel, their pilots even fought for Syria (according to Israeli estimates, they are good pilots). But being a country with a very modest economy and rather weak infrastructures, the entire potential of their nuclear weapons is aimed at confronting a stronger India, so missiles aimed at "Palestine" are from the category of propaganda for their own population and the "hands of giving" co-religionists.
The mines in Saudi - I don’t know who is talking (in my opinion, nonsense), but they will still come in handy for the second blow to India. In the case of Israel, why place them in the area of ​​Heil Avira and Jericho?

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: hrych

I wonder how many SSBNs are there in Israel, which has everything? Maybe there is strategic aviation?

Israel has never called itself a world power or empire.
But being able to give a worthy rebuff to any aggressor, I am not going to write to you what is and what is not. There are already quite a few articles about this on the Internet and here. But there was an "empire" that disappeared after 69 years and there is a small country that won 72 wars in 7 years, which provoked that "empire". Unlike you, your leaders remember this.

[hrych]

The empire is a millennium and has not disappeared anywhere. The regime and system changed, but the state-forming people are the same, the main territory is the same. And the outskirts are swallowed up, then receding, the ripple is a sign of life And by the way, I have no complaints about Israel, although it is a hostile and aggressive state, it still deserves respect. Just my line to one unconscious kibbutz boy , which is disrespectful to Russian weapons. Which, if not cool, is still worthy of respect.

[Krasnodar]

Krasukha - it is more against AWACS aircraft, about good electronic warfare - yes, but the communication channel of the drones is also well protected. EMP cannon - You mean the EMP charge? Why, is he only a cannon? ))))
As for the attack on the control centers, the enemy starts with this, any air defense without a normal air force is a temporary obstacle.

[hrych]

Krasuha if jamming powerful Avax transmitters, then these unmanned goners even more so. Radio control and television guidance goes through a radio channel. And if you got into the radiation zone of Krasukha, then hello. EMP gun is not one of the damaging factors of nuclear weapons. Here it hit at 3 km, now, according to the Ministry of Defense, it has reached 10 km, which is enough for air defense. This is not a violation of communication, but the destruction of the enemy's electronics. But the use of a low-power nuclear charge for EMP over the enemy is not just bad. It will destroy electronic systems, and that's all. Not for manpower ...

[Krasnodar]

Far from being a fact - Avax transmitters and radio-controlled drones work in different ways. As for the effectiveness of Krasukha in general, in addition to various rumors and rave reviews from native media, no one knows anything.
What is a conventional weapon using an electromagnetic pulse - I know. Only the principle is slightly different - the charge explodes over the territory, knocking out all the electronics. The charge is not nuclear.
If the product you are describing exists, why was it not used against the drones attacking Khmeimim?

[hrych]

Quote: Krasnodar

against attacking Hmeimim drones?

Firstly, it was the Armenians who should have learned from Khmeimim.
Secondly, when communication is disrupted, the DRON has not yet been neutralized. There is a GOS and there is an inertial. They already need to be demolished with an EMP cannon, an anti-aircraft guided missile and a Shell burst. What Khmeimim is equipped with. What is being done there in Khmeimim is of course a secret, but samples of new systems are being tested there in a real combat situation. The explosive EMP generator is also non-nuclear, but the energy level is not the same. And also the problem with focus. You can also spoil your devices, along with enemy drones. But over the positions of the Turkish drone guides, such an ammunition would have been quite enough. And Krasuha with a parabolic antenna of the emitter has a directional pattern in the enemy's direction. EMP cannon too.

[Krasnodar]

Cheto is difficult like that. The task of the electronic warfare means is to disable the control of the UAV. Cannons-missiles-EMP - even a lot.
The Israelis work on low-flying Drones with combat helicopters, for high-altitude ones - as ordinary patriots. UAV interceptors are currently being developed. Apparently, they decided that electronic warfare was ineffective in the fight against drones.

[hrych]

It's not difficult. Israel needs to preserve its electronics too. and it flies from the neighboring quarters. Khmeimim is at a distance and the zone is under fire for a dozen kilometers.

[Krasnodar]

Well I do not know. For me, it worked anyhow.

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: hrych

But Krasuha must also disrupt communications with the UAV up to 300 km (more than the coastline of Israel),

It was in 2018 year
Defense Minister Shoigu promised that from now on in the areas adjacent to Syria over the Mediterranean Sea there will be electronic suppression of satellite navigation, airborne radars and communication systems of military aircraft attacking objects on Syrian territory.
I will not comment on this statement.

Quote: hrych

Our EMP cannon is already burning out electronics at a distance of 10 km.

Israeli UAVs today have an EMP generator.
Yes, zhahnut nuclear weapons this suicide dream.

[saylor1971]

EW complexes emit, therefore the coordinates are determined, and then it is a matter of technology (artillery, MLRS TR, OTR, aviation with WTO). Air defense too.

[The eye of the crying]

Quote: hrych

Krasukha should disrupt communications with UAVs up to 300 km (more than the coastline of Israel), and our EMP cannon is already burning out electronics at a distance of 10 km

"Why should you feel sorry for them, busurman" (c)

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: hrych

Libya has shown the opposite.

There is no need to compare the opposing clans with a set of motley weapons with states possessing a military doctrine and providing an army in accordance with this doctrine and conducting modern combat.

[hrych]

There is still how to look. Haftar would probably hang for both

[Krasnodar]

What's behind these conclusions? This is a teip with motley mercenaries

[hrych]

Well, the NKR has a 130-strong army and a 25-strong army of the AR cannot cope with it. And Haftar has XNUMX thousand, constantly fighting soldiers with a large number of regular officers of the Muamor army, plus Sudanese and Chad mercenaries, and a bunch of all kinds of tribal detachments. And the technique is crazy. And the air defense is more advanced than that of the NKR. Especially there are a lot of self-propelled artillery units, which NKR really lacks.

[Krasnodar]

NKR has slightly different theater of operations conditions, Azerbaijanis work slowly but surely, according to the principle of "provoked, left, hit". No one will take the echeloned defense that has been under construction in the mountains for 26 years.
According to Haftar, the level of the military Gaddafi did not impress anyone in the best years of the Jamahiriya)) They participated in the Arab-Israeli, Libyan-Egyptian and Libyan-Chad wars. And it's unsuccessful everywhere. Air defense - without its own aviation, it covered, but not protected. Mercenaries - if they have experience of war in a mountain theater, then this is probably not bad. In conjunction with those who know the area. SAU - More relevant to Azeirbajan, there are enough of them.

[hrych]

Quote: Krasnodar

And it's unsuccessful everywhere.

For one beaten ... The problem is that the AR, that the NKR (we mean the RA) - the lack of combat experience. At least among the officers of the new generation. And it was not for nothing that the Turks decided to use militant. Strongholds are not taken as they are. That's bullshit. And the calculation that drones will destroy equipment is good, but until the time. Now the Armenians will be dispersed, they will risk less equipment and hello. And to have the second largest city after Baku in the area of ​​operation of the MLRS is generally the height of stupidity. Those. in general, in this case, start the operation.

[Krasnodar]

Azerbaijanis are not going to take fortified areas at this stage. They are slowly knocking out heavy weapons and reserves of Armenians, conducting harassing actions along the entire line of contact, advancing where possible, retreating in places of effective resistance, slowly seizing what is "badly lying." The next stage will be local offensives in 1-2 directions with the destruction of the NKR infrastructure and hunting from the air for everything moving and shooting with a caliber of more than 7,62. The third stage will be cutting off Karabakh from Armenia with the development of local successes. The fourth stage will be the bloodiest - mobilized, trained reservists and conscripts, together with specialists, will enter the mountains. Here the Armenians will have a chance to inflict unacceptable losses on the Azerbaijanis (it is not clear to what extent it will work under the existing form of power in Baku).

[hrych]

I saw how they cleared mines with their tanks. How did they not want it? It just didn't work out.

[Krasnodar]

So they poked themselves wherever they could. Where it did not work, they chained the enemy to themselves, inflicting possible losses on him. Where they could - they advanced, they took it. At the same time, they knocked out a lot of things from the air, "turning the hive".
Azerbaijanis simply use their advantage in money, people and technology, so they have nowhere to rush.

[hrych]

Of course, when Ganja is ablaze with MLRS, where to rush. And then the refinery from Iskander. In political terms, before these retaliation strikes, Pashinyan phoned everyone. It is possible that he received a sanction. The information field with the terrorists has been prepared, and the attacks on Stepanakert have been recorded. This little magpie is not so simple, because dunce do not become Premieres. Although he was with us ... Before the attacks on Azerbaijani cities, he managed to propose both negotiations and Russian peacekeepers. Why Erdogan hinted at the operation in Syrian Kurdistan, the tail began to fry with the money of the diaspora. It’s clear. Now Baku-Ceyhan is at gunpoint. Well zhahnut him. What will be the damage? Now Erdogan is being surrounded from all sides. Canada veto military cooperation with Turkey and so on. So there is no hurry. The Armenians withstood the blitzkrieg, that's all, now they'll do it ... Laura touching, and Iskander will certainly get into the refinery.

[Krasnodar]

Aliyev from this what? ))
The growing degree of patriotism and anger of the population towards Armenians, the legitimization of its "anti-terrorist" operation in the world - in the conditions of the economic recession and oil prices, it is impossible to think of anything better for the current government - especially since the war for the return of lands is popular among the majority of the population of Azerbaijan.

[hrych]

It was like that already. They shouted, jumped and also quickly mercy on anger. Refineries will burn if the war does not stop. So what? Georgia has already been ordered not to let through military cargo. So who's in the blockade? They will supply Armenia through Iran, but how will Azerbaijan? The shells run out. You don't get dung by planes, it's for a few minutes of the battle. Ask Goering, he promised Paulus ... Went fogs in Karabakh and how? How does Anka fly? Yes, the Armenians did a lot, but believe me, they should not be underestimated. They are smart as ... Jews

[Krasnodar]

I consider them to be good fighters and an intelligent nation - Armenians. The main weapons to the Azerbaijanis will be supplied by Russia with Kazakhstan (for example) via the Caspian Sea, smart - Turkey and Israel by air. As for Paulus, the bulk of the transport workers worked for Rommel, the 6th Army was provided with relatively small forces against the Red Army aviation. As for the oil refinery, they will begin to squeeze out the population of NKR (have already begun) by striking civilian objects, creating a flow of refugees to Armenia. There are many options.

[Pilat2009]

Quote: Krasnodar

I consider them to be good fighters and an intelligent nation - Armenians. The main weapons to the Azerbaijanis will be supplied by Russia with Kazakhstan (for example) via the Caspian Sea, smart - Turkey and Israel by air. As for Paulus, the bulk of the transport workers worked for Rommel, the 6th Army was provided with relatively small forces against the Red Army aviation. As for the oil refinery, they will begin to squeeze out the population of NKR (have already begun) by striking civilian objects, creating a flow of refugees to Armenia. There are many options.

Now Russia and the CSTO will not supply anything, Russia is not interested in Azerbaijan's victory. Soon, Armenia will receive air defense systems. And neither Armenia nor Azerbaijan is interested in long-term air defense

[Krasnodar]

Maybe - but there are always a lot of options. In 1973, a lot of weapons and ammunition were delivered to the Arabs and the United States across the USSR air bridge. The intensity of hostilities was several times higher

[PROXOR]

Well, they will immediately attribute to themselves genocide. With all that it implies.
And you keep forgetting about another player on the map - Iran. Although he is a Muslim country, he is a geopolitical enemy of Turkey. And no one can cut off the supply of Armenia through Iran.

[PROXOR]

Well, Azerbaijan hasn't gone far. Took thugs from Syria.

[DymOk_v_dYmke]

Quote: Victor_B

The technique, although not the latest, is still quite modern.

Technique is only iron, albeit a materialized labor. ...
Young guys are crippled and killed on both sides, that's what sucks.
Until Russia growls on both sides, it will not stop.
And if there really is rabble from Syria and the Maghreb, then you need to directly intervene and soak as in Syria.

[Victor_B]

Quote: DymOk_v_dYmke

then you need to directly intervene and soak as in Syria.

Today Russia cannot afford a quarrel with Erdogan.
After all, he just fell out with the West ...
At the very least, for Russia he is a SITUATIVE ally (fellow traveler) for today.
After all, Russia is also at odds with the West! Even worse than Erdogan.

The Azerbaijani army is almost three times superior to the Armenian in numerical indicators and almost five times superior in quality, but in three days of active battles it managed to drive a wedge into the positions of the Artsakh Defense Army by only 20-25 kilometers. And even then not along the entire front, but only in its southern sector. Of course, the mountains add their own specifics, but not so much.
Now everything depends on the ability of the parties to withstand the high rate of losses at the operational-tactical level, and achieve a "victory" in the information and diplomatic

[Kot_Kuzya]

Young guys are crippled and killed on both sides, that's what sucks.
Until Russia growls on both sides, it will not stop.

That is, young Armenian and Azerbaijani guys are more dear to you than young Russian and Buryat guys? Why should Russian and Buryat guys die for the sake of the interests of Armenia and Azerbaijan? This is not our war, Russia should not interfere in this conflict, the Azerbaijanis, unlike the Armenians, did not gallop in 2018 with Russophobic slogans. Let his "friends" from the EU and the USA help the little Pashinyan.

[mark1]

Quote: Kot_Kuzya

This is not our war, Russia should not interfere in this conflict, the Azerbaijanis, unlike the Armenians, did not ride with Russophobic slogans in 2018. May his "friends" from the EU and the USA help the little Pashinyan

So it is, but then these "friends" will not be eradicated by dust from the Caucasus. The Mongols should be launched as a third uninterested party, and Russia should provide them with full-fledged cover.

[Kot_Kuzya]

Yes, the "friends" will not lift a finger to help Pashinyan. Turkey wanted to spit on Paris, and London and Washington would not help Armenia, since Turkey is a much more valuable ally for them against Iran and Syria. They will feed Armenia to Turkey without batting an eye.

[mark1]

Quote: Kot_Kuzya

and London and Washington will not help Armenia,

What is meant by "help", and not necessarily specifically to Armenia alone. The NATO "peacekeeping" contingent in Karabakh and the US ships (ships) plowing the waves of the Caspian Sea may be the result (corridor Georgia, Armenia, Azerbaijan). Better than the Mongols under our guarantees.

[Kot_Kuzya]

If Russia shows aggression towards Azerbaijan for the sake of the Armenian "brothers", then US ships in the Caspian will appear without Armenia, since Georgia and Azerbaijan have a common border. Armenia is not needed to create a Black Sea-Caspian corridor.

[mark1]

Quote: Kot_Kuzya

Armenia is not needed to create a Black Sea-Caspian corridor.

Is our presence in Armenia necessary?

Kuzma Kuzmich, can you really be Ali Almazych? It’s painfully sick for Azerbaijan ...

[Kot_Kuzya]

The base in Armenia is a knife close to Turkey.

Quote: mark1

Kuzma Kuzmich, can you really be Ali Almazych? It’s painfully sick for Azerbaijan ...

Are you Smbat Sahakyan or Grisha Feroyan? You are too sick for the Armenians. There was no need to gallop for Pashinyan the Soros in 2018 with Russophobic slogans.

[mark1]

Quote: Kot_Kuzya

There was no need to gallop for Pashinyan the Soros in 2018 with Russophobic slogans.

Yes, I just do not take anyone's position (except for the pro-Russian) and offer the Mongols a third uninterested party

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: mark1

Better than the Mongols under our guarantees.

It will not work to send the Mongols - Chingiz Khanov is not observed with them. But it is quite possible to persuade some Bangladesh, for a sum by agreement.

[Zaurbek]

Diaspora can chip in .... send soldiers, money, weapons ..... Armenia can, as a state, buy everything for itself.

[Victor_B]

Quote: mark1

Mongols should be launched as a third uninterested party

Here is, in my opinion, the ideal choice for peacekeepers!
And not Christians and not Muslims, so that the religious aspect is excluded.
It is also possible to launch Chinese "blue helmets" (and have they ever participated in these matters?), Although this is already debatable ...

[Not with you]

Yes Mongols don't care
wanted for you.
You come to them
to Ulan Bator.
And tell them it directly.
They have fun ...
Tie to horses ...
Let them tie you up ...

[mark1]

Quote: Not with you

Let them tie you up ...

And let them finally untie you, otherwise I must have counted all the stones in the steppe with my head. You will not look at the world from under a horse's tail.

[Puler]

you are deeply mistaken .... Mongols are a kind of people ... But we must not forget that the Mongols, during the outbreak of the Great Patriotic War, were one of the first to help in the fight against the Nazis, a little poor Mongolia helped more than omerika: food, sheepskin coats so necessary in winter , meat and others ... we simply have no right to forget this, And as you know, Asians and Caucasians, with all their sharp mentality, are very hospitable people.

[Not with you]

So what ....)))?????
I live in Tuva ...
And then what ?))))
I have a relative of the train
drove through the passes,
along the Usinsky tract
with cattle and small cattle in 1941-44.
Mind you I drove.
AND.....
And other relatives
gave all their livestock ...
In 1941-44 ...
You from hunger
saved ...
You have a card
the system was
But .... happen now ....
Who will help you ...?)))?

[Puler]

If the doctor doesn't help you, then the pathologist will cope ...

[Kapkan]

I agree in principle.

[DymOk_v_dYmke]

Quote: Kot_Kuzya

That is, young Armenian and Azerbaijani guys are more dear to you than young Russian and Buryat guys? Why should Russian and Buryat guys die for the sake of the interests of Armenia and Azerbaijan? This is not our war, Russia should not interfere in this conflict, the Azerbaijanis, unlike the Armenians, did not gallop in 2018 with Russophobic slogans. Let his "friends" from the EU and the USA help the little Pashinyan.

Your Russians and Buryats are more expensive, but "roaring" does not mean sending troops, it means setting a condition: either an urgent reconciliation or no supplies of military equipment, spare parts, ammunition, no maintenance of military equipment to both sides. Both fight ours mainly.
And to allow the Turks, the EU, the United States to help, = provide yourself with hemorrhoids for decades to come.
This is our "underbelly", the area of ​​our interests.

PS Where is it point-to-point contactless to kill stray mujazheds, in Syria or Karabakh - no difference.
Only jewelry precision is needed, but I hope that experience has been gained in Syria.
No one will even peep for the imported mujazheds.

[Kot_Kuzya]

Better a horrible end than endless horror. If we "reconcile" the Armenians and Azeris again, then this conflict will continue to smolder for centuries, periodically breaking up in the form of short-term local wars. Let it be better to radically solve this issue by military means, and let the strongest win. The saying "a bad peace is better than a good war" is incorrect. For example, the conflict between Protestants and Catholics smoldered for about a century, until the fire of the Thirty Years War broke out, where Catholics and Protestants slaughtered each other for 30 years. But then they realized that the conflict of religions could not be resolved by military means, and since then Catholics and Protestants have not fought with each other.

[Olgovich]

Quote: Kot_Kuzya

Why should Russian and Buryat guys die for the sake of the interests of Armenia and Azerbaijan?

And Russia's interests imply victories Turkey in Karabakh and thousands of terrorist beasts from Syria, howling there, practically on the Caucasian BORDERS of Russia?

Or will they stop there with the Sultan, probably, right? Will they not move, elated, to the East and North?

[Kot_Kuzya]

For example, I don't care what will happen to Karabakh. As for the "beasts from Syria," they can successfully settle in Georgia, the rodents will only welcome the enemies of Russia. So there is no need to write nonsense here that if Russia does not protect Armenia, then crowds of "beasts from Syria" will flock to the North Caucasus.

[Olgovich]

Quote: Kot_Kuzya

... So there is no need to write nonsense here that if Russia does not protect Armenia, then crowds of "beasts from Syria" will flock to the North Caucasus.

Ah, non-stupidity is, apparently, yours desire that the animals, having killed those who destroy them in Karabakh, have already begun kill in Russian Caucasus, subdued Wed. Asia (and from there not far to the Volga region)? The great Turan - Erdogan's dream - is not known, isn't it?

Let me remind you for the forgetful that it is precisely for the destruction of terrorists that Russia is fighting in Syria and one can only imagine WHAT would be happening now on the southern borders of Russia if it had not destroyed TENS of thousands of them there.

Quote: Kot_Kuzya

... As for the "beasts from Syria", they can successfully settle in Georgia, the rodents will only welcome the enemies of Russia

They would be glad, and they supported terrorists (panki gorge), but they mortally AFRAID, so you're talking nonsense.

[Pilat2009]

Quote: Olgovich

Quote: Kot_Kuzya

... So there is no need to write nonsense here that if Russia does not protect Armenia, then crowds of "beasts from Syria" will flock to the North Caucasus.

Ah, non-stupidity is, apparently, yours desire that the animals, having killed those who destroy them in Karabakh, have already begun kill in Russian Caucasus, subdued Wed. Asia (and from there not far to the Volga region)? The great Turan - Erdogan's dream - is not known, isn't it?

Let me remind you for the forgetful that it is precisely for the destruction of terrorists that Russia is fighting in Syria and one can only imagine WHAT would be happening now on the southern borders of Russia if it had not destroyed TENS of thousands of them there.

Quote: Kot_Kuzya

... As for the "beasts from Syria", they can successfully settle in Georgia, the rodents will only welcome the enemies of Russia

They would be glad, and they supported terrorists (panki gorge), but they mortally AFRAID, so you're talking nonsense.

There are at least 3 states between Russia and Syria. So there is no need to tell tales about hordes of terrorists near our borders. Israel is calm beyond its borders.

[atalef]

Quote: Kot_Kuzya

that if Russia does not protect Armenia, then crowds of "animals from Syria" will tumble into the North Caucasus

so they seem to have all been repaired in Syria - Shoigu has reported to the chief more than once.

[Ethiopian]

Why should the Russians be sent, sent on a national basis, so to speak, to pay the national debt to the homeland, otherwise they have settled in the south, the capital, etc.

[Kot_Kuzya]

Garik Martirosyan and Misha Galustyan need to be sent to protect Ridna Nenko
Although, let them stay in Moscow, it will be a pity if they die, the actors are good, they make people laugh.

[Piramidon]

Quote: Efiop

otherwise they settled in the south, the capital, etc.

Which south, the azeires already rule the markets in Vologda and Arkhangelsk. Who should be sent to Karabakh by the militia

[Hypertension]

Quote: Kot_Kuzya

That is, young Armenian and Azerbaijani guys are more dear to you than young Russian and Buryat guys?

Exactly. For those who are unbearable from pity for the Armenians, watch this video

In the article in the fourth video above, where the Armenians are preparing a fortification in the city limits, one feels some kind of doom. Even the music is disturbing and disheartening.
I do not know how it will all end, but I must admit that the Azerbaijanis prepared for this war more or less.
ZY In one Turkish public Vkontakte, one ahem ... a Turkish journalist writes that they say the USSR lost 27 million in the Second World War, and this is like the majority of the military, and the Germans, according to this miscarriage, lost only 2 million. He writes, contrary, that the Russians threw meat at the Germans. And almost the entire audience there hawala it. What am I doing? The Armenians, of course, spoiled their relations with Russia a lot with the help of soros, but the Ayzers and their friends are certainly no better than the Armenians for the Russian Federation.

[lucul]

He writes, contrary, that the Russians threw meat at the Germans. And almost the entire audience there hawala it.

About throwing meat is immediately a sign of a narrow-minded person))) because the same Mongols (with bows and swords) all of Asia could not throw meat))) And even more so in World War II, with its tanks and airplanes - a conversation about throwing meat is a clean kindergarten)))

[Hypertension]

Quote: lucul

About throwing meat is immediately a sign of a narrow-minded person)))

You and I understand this, but the Turks and Ayzers are in a frenzy with these fairy tales hawala and ask for more. Okay, Ayzers, the Turks must remember how they were completely unwound.

[Hypertension]

That is, there was no burning of the Russian flag by the Armenian Soros?

[Bakinec]

Nobody asks you to die for the sake of the interests of Azerbaijan, just do not interfere and that's it.

[Vladimir_6]

Quote: DymOk_v_dYmke

Until Russia growls on both sides, it will not stop.
And if there really is rabble from Syria and the Maghreb, then you need to directly intervene and soak as in Syria.

No need to wet anyone. Help must be provided to both sides. Armenia - Armenians, and Azerbaijan - Azerbaijanis, that is, send them from Russia to defend their homeland. And then it will be seen.

[Hypertension]

Quote: Vladimir_6

Help must be provided to both sides. Armenia - Armenians, and Azerbaijan - Azerbaijanis

Yes. But Armenians can also throw weapons. I do not want to go into details of who historically belongs to Karabakh, but it is obvious that if the Ayzers seize it, it will not play into Russia's hands. This will strengthen Turkey, and we do not need such an alignment. In Transcaucasia, we have one ally - Armenia. The ally is not so hot, with its own quirks, but there are no others and are not expected. The Armenians already hopefully realized who is a friend, who is an enemy, and who is just like that. Abroad will not help them.
Separate mention, bewilderment, deserves the action of Putin, who sold the S-400 to Turkey on the eve of the war. Someone will object - they say, he did not know that events would unfold in this way. But what about the famous multi-moves and the glory of a grandmaster who foresees several moves ahead?

[Pilat2009]

Quote: Hyperion

Quote: Vladimir_6

Help must be provided to both sides. Armenia - Armenians, and Azerbaijan - Azerbaijanis

Yes. But Armenians can also throw weapons. I do not want to go into details of who historically belongs to Karabakh, but it is obvious that if the Ayzers seize it, it will not play into Russia's hands. This will strengthen Turkey, and we do not need such an alignment. In Transcaucasia, we have one ally - Armenia. The ally is not so hot, with its own quirks, but there are no others and are not expected. The Armenians already hopefully realized who is a friend, who is an enemy, and who is just like that. Abroad will not help them.
Separate mention, bewilderment, deserves the action of Putin, who sold the S-400 to Turkey on the eve of the war. Someone will object - they say, he did not know that events would unfold in this way. But what about the famous multi-moves and the glory of a grandmaster who foresees several moves ahead?

Excuse me, but what's the point of this ally? Armenia acts only as a lightning rod for Turkey and Azerbaijan.

[Hypertension]

Quote: Pilat2009

Excuse me, but what's the point of this ally? Armenia acts only as a lightning rod for Turkey and Azerbaijan.

Well, at least it's so good. Is it better if Turkey is in charge of Armenia instead? I wrote - you don't have to choose. Either bad or very bad.

[Revolver]

Quote: DymOk_v_dYmke

Young guys are crippled and killed on both sides, that's what sucks.

Give Aliyev and Pashinyan a pair of boxing gloves, a tape measure for measuring pussies, and let them decide the issue as they want, but among themselves, without involving third parties.

[Hypertension]

Quote: Nagan

Give Aliyev and Pashinyan a pair of boxing gloves, a tape measure for measuring pussies, and let them decide the issue as they want, but among themselves, without involving third parties.

[Fungus]

Despite the complete control of the airspace by the Azerbaijani army, the Armenian troops are giving a good rebuff on the ground.

[Hypertension]

Quote: Fungus

Despite the complete control of the airspace by the Azerbaijani army, the Armenian troops are giving a good rebuff on the ground.

Not bad? In general, NKR is losing territory, village by village.

[lucul]

The military air defense of Armenia turned out to be completely ineffective, Osa AKM - everything! (Alas, Bobik is dead ...)

Ta vi sho))))
Infa from the Azerbaijani press?)))
So they sang beautifully recently, how they smashed this bridge (from Karabakh to Armenia) with a cloud of Israeli Laura rockets. And the bridge is in fact.
The worst advertisement for the Israeli Laura could not be imagined)))

[Alexey Sommer]

Quote: lucul

Ta vi sho))))
Infa from the Azerbaijani press?)))

Yes, then, judging by the video, mostly Azerbaijani UAVs fly.
What, no?))
And not a cloud of missiles, but one single one.

Quote: lucul

The worst advertisement for the Israeli Laura could not be imagined)))

Where did you get the idea that commercials are being shot there?
Judging by the videos posted, including the one with the raising of the flag, the Azerbaijanis do with the Armenians what they want, slowly and with taste.

[lucul]

And not a cloud of missiles, but one single

So the Azerbaijanis themselves said that they fired several missiles))))

[Alexey Sommer]

I don't know where you read about it. And where they released a few. The video shows that one is hit.

[dauria]

Yes, the war is going on like an adult!

What countries are at war, can you tell me? Armenia seems to have forgotten to come to the war. Together with the commander-in-chief and the armed forces ..

[tlauicol]

in 5 days more precision strikes were filmed than in 5 years in Syria. And UAVs burn equipment as they want, of course

[lucul]

in 5 days more precision strikes were filmed than in 5 years in Syria. And UAVs burn equipment as they want, of course

Yeah, and especially well the Israeli missiles "coped" with the bridge, and how much praise was that)))

[tlauicol]

Quote: lucul

in 5 days more precision strikes were filmed than in 5 years in Syria. And UAVs burn equipment as they want, of course

Yeah, and especially well the Israeli missiles "coped" with the bridge, and how much praise was that)))

I am more worried about the "successes" of the s-300 in the fight against Laura. Air defense was not involved in the fact that the bridge resisted Rather, the air defense has withdrawn itself. It remains only "Glory to Soviet bridge builders" to shout, and the anti-aircraft gunners had a day off

[lucul]

I am more worried about the "successes" of the s-300 in the fight against Laura.

So, in fact, Laura does not give out the declared ha-ki. It does not smell of any 10 meters of spread, but in fact the spread is like that of the antediluvian Point-U - under 70 meters. Point -U and then, more precisely, the target would most likely hit ...

[tlauicol]

Well, yes, the width of the bridge is 140m. 60 bands

[lucul]

Well, yes, the width of the bridge is 140m. 60 bands

The width of the bridge is 10 meters, and the length of the bridge is all 50 meters - the target is not destroyed)))

[Oquzyurd]

The rocket hit the bridge, only the sidewalk. The bridge saved 3-4 meters of distance. Had it been 4 meters to the right, the bridge would have collapsed.

[lucul]

The rocket hit the bridge, only the sidewalk. The bridge saved 3-4 meters of distance. Had it been 4 meters to the right, the bridge would have collapsed.

))))
we set aside a circle with a radius of 10m, and we understand that in such a circle - a bridge with a size of 10x50m falls wonderfully))) But out of several missiles fired - only one chirkanula along the edge of the bridge)))
So much for the declared accuracy of 10m)))

[voyaka uh]

It was just these 10 m KVO (miss) that saved the bridge.
Bridges must be destroyed with subsonic cruise missiles.
They can be guided from the side exactly to the central support for TV guidance.

[lucul]

It was just this 10 m miss that saved the bridge.
Bridges must be destroyed with subsonic cruise missiles.
They can be guided from the side exactly to the central support for TV guidance

Of the several missiles fired, only one struck across the bridge)))
A hit in the middle of the bridge would be guaranteed to destroy the span of the bridge. Point-U, even if it fell nearby, would cause great damage.

[Krasnodar]

Quote: voyaka uh

It was just these 10 m KVO (miss) that saved the bridge.
Bridges must be destroyed with subsonic cruise missiles.
They can be guided from the side exactly to the central support for TV guidance.

Better GBUs, etc.
The question is, what did the Azerbaijanis adapt to their old Sushki and MiGs and did they adopt them at all?

[Orange bigg]

Quote: Tlauicol

Quote: lucul

in 5 days more precision strikes were filmed than in 5 years in Syria. And UAVs burn equipment as they want, of course

Yeah, and especially well the Israeli missiles "coped" with the bridge, and how much praise was that)))

I am more worried about the "successes" of the s-300 in the fight against Laura. Air defense was not involved in the fact that the bridge resisted Rather, the air defense has withdrawn itself. It remains only "Glory to Soviet bridge builders" to shout, and the anti-aircraft gunners had a day off

Even the old S-300 PS / PTs have successes in the fight against the OTRK Laura (near Yerevan, 2 Laura missiles were intercepted). The story with the bridge is about the fact that Armenians do not have these S-300 PS / PTs everywhere and not everything is protected by these systems.

"The Armenian Defense Ministry announces the destruction of the Israeli-made LORA operational-tactical complex ... in the rear of the Azerbaijani Armed Forces," the Military Observer Telegram channel reports.

Taking into account the remoteness of the area, which was hit by tactical weapons, the possibility of using Tochka-U complexes is excluded, however, Armenia is armed with at least four Iskander missile systems, which, having a long range, can effectively hit their targets practically throughout the entire territory of Azerbaijan ...

It is noteworthy that a few days earlier, two tactical missiles flew in from Azerbaijan towards the airfield in Yerevan, which were successfully intercepted a few seconds before the strike by S-300 complexes.

https://avia.pro/news/rossiyskiy-otrk-iskander-nanyos-otvetnyy-udar-po-izrailskim-takticheskim-kompleksam-i

[tlauicol]

Armenian radio?

[Andrey Yuryevich]

the dream is generally bad, but here it disappeared altogether, all the "thoughts". I haven’t pressed the buttons for a long time, it was lazy as it was, and it’s not interesting, I read from time to time a bunch of "patriots with liberals", and then, as it got hot. nevertheless, Someone struck, at the Border, and here, I had a "misunderstanding". on the one hand, Armenians, Orthodox, with the support of Russia, on the other hand, Azerbaijanis, Muslims with the support of Turkey = conclusion? It suggests itself, "someone needs it." Anyone does not fit my (I cannot find a suitable word), But, an interesting person appeared on the forum, for the sake of whose comments I began to read VO every day, on the topic of the war in Karabakh. Albay (Alibek)I am pleased with his education and intelligence, as well as respectful attitude towards the interlocutor and genuine interest in what is happening, I will be glad to continue reading his comments. Taking this opportunity, I want to remember that we are all beloved and respected VO moderator. deceased six years ago Azera Sadigova, a wonderful person, intelligent, decent, wise, a real Caucasian. Peace be upon him ... I would like the Armenian side to have the same adequate interlocutor.

[Normal]

They are Christians of the Armenian Apostolic Church. Christians, yes. Orthodox, no.

[andrewkor]

From the point of view of the Russian Orthodox Church, Armenians are heretics, monophysites, i.e. denying the Trinity.
One of the oldest Christian churches, much earlier than the Russian Orthodox Church.

[Krasnodar]

Let's just say - denying the human nature of Christ, considering it only Divine

[igor67]

Quote: Andrey Yurievich

moderator VO. who died six years ago, Azer Sadigov, a wonderful

He was a very good person, we probably talked with him on Skype every day, about two years, and Alibek is most likely the same forum member that was many years ago also under the nickname Alibek, he is such a wonderful person, but they quarreled with Azer because of Aliyev’s dislike

[rotmistr60]

Rename quickly, thereby increasing the morale of the Azerbaijani army. For all the time of the fighting, the first information about the prisoners.

from Azerbaijani drones, the defeat of armored vehicles and personnel by air strikes is captured

Almost every day the same thing, although the UAVs are knocked down by the Armenian side, but in fact they continue to rampage in the air and from them practically the main losses in b / t and l / s. So far, no one thinks about negotiations, believing that military success is on their side. And that's bad.

[Livonetc]

So far, negotiations have no meaning for Azerbaijan.
They will become expedient after the serious achievements of the great haste of the Azerbaijani army and subsequent successful defensive actions by the Armenians.
No other influence will lead to the result.

[Oquzyurd]

The Armenians have no chance, as they will understand earlier, and there will be few casualties on both sides, especially among the Armenians. They must immediately agree to the withdrawal of Armenian troops from the territory of Azerbaijan. This will stop the hostilities.

[Livonetc]

This is still a capricious abuse.
There will be no consent to surrender.
Azerbaijan has successes, but the blitzkrieg did not work out.
Maybe there was such a calculation.
We'll see.

[Krasnodar]

Quote: Oquzyurd

The Armenians have no chance, as they will understand earlier, and there will be few casualties on both sides, especially among the Armenians. They must immediately agree to the withdrawal of Armenian troops from the territory of Azerbaijan. This will stop the hostilities.

The problem is that people of the age of 18-25 have already been born in NKR, who have not expelled anyone from their homes, for whom this is a war for their land. They do not give a damn about history, they are fighting for a hometown, so hoping for an end to their resistance is nonsense.

[Korsar4]

This eternal question that does not have an answer is when the khata becomes or ceases to be native.

And the boundary question is not quickly resolved. Ferdowsi also detailed it.

[Krasnodar]

I am writing about the motivation of people. In the absence of a choice and / or prospects, they leave it, this is understandable.

[north 2]

probably powerful propaganda resources operate on both sides. After all, he hopes, both those and those, to achieve victory quickly, and then it will be no longer important that these videos and this news of success were falsified. Who will then figure out that these propagandists hung pasta on their ears
and on the eyes, if propaganda and fake news will not keep pace and will follow the victorious attacks
blitzkrieg. This propaganda and fake news should have served to blitzkrieg
implement successfully. But exactly how much did Azerbaijan organize and hoped that it was
it will be possible to carry out a blitzkrieg, then fake news is revealed more from the Azerbaijani side,
because the blitzkrieg failed to Azerbaijan. Propaganda and fake news about successful attacks goes
already in front of the attacks themselves. Therefore, the bridge is practically intact, although only yesterday their propaganda transmitted,
that the "valiant" Azerbaijanis destroyed it with "valiant" Israeli missiles ...

[Livonetc]

It is so finite.
And brave reporting is needed by both sides to maintain morale and the absence of panic, primarily from their own population and mobilization resources.
In order not to simply run away despite the closure of the border.
However, the capture of settlements is an objective success of Azerbaijan.

[Alexander Galaktionov]

Here is a video in Horadiz already militants from Syria which a mustachioed cockroach brought as they say you will not feed your army, you will feed someone else's, this is about the fact that Armenia did not invest in air defense, but okay and so it will do

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Quote: Alexander Galaktionov

Armenia did not invest in air defense, but okay, it will do

underestimation of the UAV, by Armenia. is certainly fatal. it was necessary to look at the actions of Turkey in Syria and analyze the events.

[Alexander Galaktionov]

This is somewhere far away.In general, the General Staff of Armenia had to take into account the purchases of Azerbaijan and draw conclusions Well, it's like we had few supply ships at the beginning in Syria, even Turkish rusty ships were taken, then with Khmeimim all military sites wrote about the shelter of aircraft here. we on strike uavs remained from everyone from Turkey and even from Iran

[Vadim237]

Attack UAVs of all classes will appear in service with Russia within four years - now they are being tested.

[Alexander Galaktionov]

I read about Turkish shock UAVs when Ukrainians appeared at Olkhon's and Strelkov wrote in VK the other day that it won't be like this in 2014

[Alexander Galaktionov]

Yes, Jewish Laura showed herself in the same way as here the Jews say about our C 300

[tlauicol]

the S-300 has nothing to do with the fact that the bridge has resisted. The Jews hit the target, but what did our air defense system do? Lost under the bunk?

[Alexander Galaktionov]

The Jews were amazed, the Jews were sitting at the console wow

[tlauicol]

well, those who were sitting at the console, at least not hiding like those who were supposed to bring down Laura. So the S-300 has nothing to boast about. Let's praise the bridge builders

[mitroha]

Comparing the military potentials and readiness of the armies of Armenia and Azerbaijan, many forget that in Azerbaijan in recent years the power has remained in the same hands, carrying out consistent qualitative changes in the army, unlike Armenia with their colored, God forgive me, revolutions. Which a priori do not lead to anything good, and even more so with regard to the stability of the state's development. Therefore, kicking Armenia for its unpreparedness to use the RA drones, one should not forget the identity of the current president of Armenia and how he came to power.

[Eugene-Eugene]

Well, we must pay tribute: it was under Pashinyan that the creation of their own defense-industrial cluster began, as part of cooperation with the Russian military-industrial complex: https://topwar.ru/172927-armenija-nachala-sozdavat-oboronku-kalashnikov-uzhe-v-proizvodstve.html

[lucul]

the S-300 has nothing to do with the fact that the bridge has resisted. Jews hit the target,

How many missiles were fired - and the bridge survived))) Such missiles ...

[Vadim237]

With 300 that Armenia has long been outdated.

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: Alexander Galaktionov

Yes, Jewish Laura showed herself

1. The Jewish "LORA" was used for the first time in world practice in combat conditions.
2. Used by non-Jews.
3. In Syria, since 2013, the Israeli Air Force has inflicted more than 2000 strikes on targets and targets that were targeted and destroyed, including those about which they constantly write here that the best in the world.

Quote: Alexander Galaktionov

how are the Jews talking about our C 300

They don't talk about the S-300 at all. The S-300s did not launch a single launch in a combat situation, realizing that this would be the first and last launch, and then the whole world would start talking and start asking for the money back.
The vaunted Turkish UAVs of the Bayraktar TB series are replicas of Heron and Aerostar. Manufacturing technology that Turkey acquired from Israel.
In terms of their characteristics, the Turkish Bayraktar TB1 and Bayraktar TB2 are inferior to the originals, both in terms of payload and autonomy of work, and does not seek to compete with the "older brother" from Israel.

[lucul]

They don't talk about the S-300 at all. The S-300s did not launch a single launch in a combat situation, realizing that this would be the first and last launch, and then the whole world would start talking and start asking for the money back.

So why? Back in the 80s, Israeli planes flew to Iran and Syria like at home, and now they don't go there)))
Do you know why? )))

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: lucul

Back in the 80s, Israeli planes flew to Iran and Syria like at home, and now they don't go there)))
Do you know why? )))

1 Not knowing something does not mean that it was not.
2 Today Israel has 8 satellites weighing over Iran and transmitting all the necessary information.
3 I hope you've heard about the explosions at nuclear facilities.
Well, now about the planes that, in your opinion, do not fly.
The country's Supreme Leader, Ayatollah Khamenei, by his decree dismissed Brigadier General Farzad Ismaily, Commander of the Air Defense Forces, due to the successful reconnaissance operation of Israeli F-35 fighters in Iranian airspace. The former commander of the anti-aircraft forces tried to hide this incident from the Iranian higher authorities.
Khamenei ordered an investigation. As a result, it was proved that the F-35 fighters of the Israeli Air Force were indeed in the airspace of the Islamic Republic, flying over Tehran, Isfahan, Arak and a number of other large cities of the country. At the same time, the planes remained unnoticed.

[lucul]

As a result, it was proved that the F-35 fighters of the Israeli Air Force were indeed in the airspace of the Islamic Republic, flying over Tehran, Isfahan, Arak and several other large cities of the country. At the same time, the planes remained unnoticed.

Proofs? ))))
Because the images "leaked" to Iran, allegedly photographed from F-35 planes, could be just images from satellites,
because

2 Today Israel has 8 satellites weighing over Iran and transmitting all the necessary information.

)))
In a straight line from Jerusalem to Tehran 1600 km. Ie the plane only there and back - this is already 3200 km, and if you fly over Isfahan and Arak, it turns out all 4 km. The declared flight range with PTB for the F-000 is only 35 km)))

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: lucul

Because the images "leaked" to Iran, allegedly photographed from F-35 planes, could be just images from satellites,

With this, to Khamenei, so that he would return the commander of the air defense forces, Brigadier General Farzad Ismaily.
And also write an objection to the Russian site "Military Armament".

Quote: lucul

In a straight line from Jerusalem to Tehran 1600 km. Ie the plane only there and back - this is already 3200 km, and if you fly over Isfahan and Arak, it turns out all 4 km. The declared flight range with PTB for the F-000 is only 35 km)))

You calculated everything correctly, except that you did not take into account that there are American bases in Irk and that air refueling is possible, although many sources write that there was no refueling in the air.
Also, Israeli F-35s may have additional tanks, local companies Israel Aerospace Industries and Cyclone were working on enlarged tanks for the F-35I immediately after receiving these machines.

[lucul]

With this, to Khamenei, so that he would return the commander of the air defense forces, Brigadier General Farzad Ismaily.

Most likely you fell for the master wiring on your side)))

that they did not take into account that there are American bases in Irk and that air refueling is possible,

If your F-35 flew to Iraq, ours could inform Iran about this, and it would increase attention to air borders.
But this is all with a pitchfork on the water, just inferences.
I was not there, so just assumptions)))

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: lucul

If your F-35 flew to Iraq - ours could inform Iran about it

Quote: lucul

I haven't been there, so just speculation

Yes, and me too, but unlike you, I use information from different sources, compare it and only then write.
That's a contradiction to your speculation
The Iranian political leadership pondered the sincerity of its Russian partners, suspecting them of transferring the codes of the Iranian S-300 systems to the Israelis. According to another version, the codes of anti-aircraft missile systems could have been obtained by the Israeli intelligence service MOSSAD.

[voyaka uh]

This photo clearly shows where Laura got to.
Between the supports, into the extreme span of the bridge. Carried it off and exploded below.
So the bridge cannot be brought down. To demolish the bridge, the pillars must be destroyed.
But BR is impossible to target more accurately. Neither Laura nor Iskander.
Bridges are usually taken down by CRs flying slowly. They can be directed
on the TV camera in the GOS from the side exactly on the support.

[Stavros]

So the gentlemen of the Cavtatars, back in the 16th year, claimed that they took Talish. How can you understand whether they were lying then or are they lying now?

[Adimius38]

The propaganda machine in Azerbaijan is fully promoted. They don't even know that they also have losses. They only think that the Armenians are running and crying. Baku dances and dances. And Russia, most likely, will give Azerbaijan to do its job, comrade Sands has already spoken about this, the introduction of peacekeepers only with the consent of the two countries, that is, never.

[Alexander Galaktionov]

Soon a professor will appear and say that you are all lying and Laura is super duper Israeli neg

[Pechkin]

Videos from the war once again say that Russia needs attack drones and means of dealing with them. From the top of the indifference to the armata, this or the T-62 will burn the same.

[donavi49]

By the way, even light damage to a tank is often fatal. Another truth. The tank from the video was damaged by a close hit on 30 September.


As you can see, no one began to evacuate him, they stupidly abandoned him and after 3 days the Azerbaijanis reached him.

[Kot_Kuzya]

Me too, warriors. Even the anti-aircraft machine gun was not removed from the tank and was not taken with them. Armenians are such Armenians. It would be better to work at a construction site.

[alexmach]

Me too, warriors. Even the anti-aircraft machine gun was not removed from the tank and was not taken with them. Armenians are such Armenians. It would be better to work at a construction site.

Watch the video again. There, after hitting the tank, he continues to move and in the open hatches 2 bodies dangle, either shell-shocked or something.

[O. Bender]

In some videos of the destruction of the BT, the trajectory of the ammunition is visible, it seems that it flies parallel to the surface and does not attack from above. At the same time, the speed of the ammunition is quite high. Who will explain how Azerbaijan destroys the armored vehicles of Armenia. Kamikaze drone? It would be interesting to know his performance characteristics.

[Oquzyurd]

Mostly with the Turkish MAM-L missile, and the Israeli kamikaze drones Zerbe (Orbiter), and Harop.

[Vadim237]

Something like this and with such missiles

[O. Bender]

I have such a strange feeling, it seems that both Armenians and Azerbaijanis, as they say, are not strangers (USSR), we have enough of both in our city. And for some reason I personally sympathize with Armenia. Although I personally know quite normal, adequate, kind Azerbaijanis. Trouble!

[Tneburashka]

And why quarrel with Erdogan, here is an extract from the history of Russia and Turkey fought dozens of times over many centuries, before this war the Mediterranean Sea was practically an internal sea of ​​Turkey, European partners in Africa and Asia were nobody, and here we and the Turks seemed to be on our own they multiplied zero, For centuries, both empires almost lost their statehood, and Europe, on the other hand, grabbed everything for itself, the Turks have their own ambitions, God forbid, we have their own, and not the PR of the elite at the expense of their people

[Tank hard]

Quote: Tneburashka

the Turks have their own ambitions, God forbid, we have their own, and not the PR of the elite at the expense of their people

Your "impeccable analytics" missed one small moment, this is Turkey's interest in some part of the Russian Federation. Are you offering to give? Well, so as not to quarrel with Erdogan.

[Livonetc]

From the resource Colonel Kassad.

Lost Armor counted everything that was shown in the video with the strikes of Turkish drones on the video posted on September 27:
Happened:

Tanks - 18 units
BMP - 4 units
MTLB - 4 units
ACS - 1 unit
Artillery - 7 units
SAM - 13 units
MLRS - 14 units
Personnel - more than 60 people "

[lucul]

SAM - 13 units

Destroyed just like the bridge? )))

[Livonetc]

This is confirmation from video footage from a drone.
They report on a much larger number of targets destroyed.
Of course, some of the filmed could have been false targets (mockups).

[Vadim237]

These are data on losses per day of hostilities.

[Livonetc]

And now other information comes in.
True, without video and photos.
Again, material from Kassad.

: The second largest city of Azerbaijan was hit at night.
The Armenians poured rockets into the military airfield in Ganja, where, among other things, Turkish F-16s are based. Along the way, part of the arrivals fell on residential areas. There is destruction in the city, the evacuation of residents has begun.
Armenia claims that a military airfield in Ganja has been destroyed. There are no photos and videos from there. "

[Vadim237]

The news is not true.

[Livonetc]

What exactly does not match?
There was no impact in principle?
Or did the strike fail?

[alexmach]

It is difficult to call Baku's attempt to destroy the bridge leading from Karabakh to Armenia successful. Based on the available materials

Uh-huh .. why does Baku need reconnaissance drones. We will publish on the Internet a photo of the results of the shelling of a strategic object.

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: DymOk_v_dYmke

set a condition: either an urgent reconciliation or no supply of military equipment, spare parts, ammunition, no maintenance of military equipment to both sides.

Do they need it, a weapon that cannot be used?
They will simply start buying from others, and on very different terms, very possibly political, which the Russian Federation will definitely not like.

[Victorm]

Quote: hrych

It is also reported that a powerful blow was struck at the airfield where the F-16 are located.

The blow was struck not at the airfield, but at the city of Ganja.

To understand the essence and meaning of what follows, it is the same as if a blow was struck at St. Petersburg.
With this, Armenia crossed the red line.

Despite your writings about Azerbaijan's super losses on "Armenian resources are not for everyone" - I slept badly as I understand it, this is a continuation of her desperate attempts to provoke Azerbaijan to more decisive steps out of hopelessness, thereby leading the situation to drawing Russia into the conflict under the sauce of a dead CSTO other things. Azerbaijan took into account the experience and feints during the war in the East of Ukraine, we all remember perfectly well the strikes of Russian artillery on the Ukrainian Armed Forces from the territory of Russia - it will not work and unfortunately we do not perceive the Armenians as a horror story, we saw another war We are ready for this, therefore, given the fact that Russia does not have a common border with Armenia, and Armenia is persistent in its provocations, sooner or later not everyone, but someone from here writing and participating in "verbal skirmishes" will have to clash in real battle. It's a pity, of course, but nothing can be done about it, we have to fight.
As in the case of Karabakh, we will be on our land, and houses and walls will help.

[iouris]

Quote: VictorM

we will be on our land

Cheerful propaganda. Well, since we are so motivated, we will prepare for the ground.
Georgia has long been under Turkey (preparing to join NATO). Aliyev is Erdogan's poodle. The accounting department calculated everything. Pashinyan also works according to the program.

[hrych]

Those. RA, or rather the NKR crossed the line, but did not AR hitting Stepanokert?

Quote: VictorM

"Armenian resources are not for everyone"

I'm just subscribed to one. There are photos of smashed heads.
https://topwar.ru/uploads/posts/2020-10/1601832093_4ltuuymmwf4.jpg
Liked? Sleep well, I hope you will dream. The walls have already helped him. Or this heap
https://vk.com/video-189952569_456239024

[iouris]

Again we are not ready for war. But the bridge survived (at the first impact)!

[zombirusrev]

This is how the Prince of this world punishes people for pride. Armenian pride is Pashinyan and his complete idiocy in preparation for a possible war with Azerbaijan, both in technical and ideological directions. But as they say, he is not a subject and does not make any decisions himself, for whom the owner thinks and kicks him. And the owner (US and EU) doesn't care about the Indian. This is a complete unpreparedness for the challenges of the time.

[dgonni]

Well, apparently Azerbaijan did not succeed in blitzkrieg. They understood this and switched to knocking out the equipment and key resources of the Armenians with drones. Then the infantry goes and carries out a sweep. Long dreary but effective though not effective for the media.
And most importantly, it works! One speech by Pashinyan says more than all the videos of great Artsakh.
The furry northern animal walks slowly but inevitably. The question is that Russia is in fact in this situation in a stalemate. Providing direct assistance goes beyond peacekeeping. Non-provision destroys the protector's renome in the CSTO configuration.
In general, a classic pitchfork.

[svoit]

Quote: dgonni

Well, apparently Azerbaijan did not succeed in blitzkrieg

How did you decide that it was planned or was possible? Azerbaijan has time, about a month, until the main resources are exhausted, after which a trench war will begin, if by that time the tasks are not fully completed (for example, not all 7 regions will be fully occupied - this is a minimum task) and no one will bother.
But it is likely that the war will end in 1-2 weeks with the fact that, by agreement, the Armed Forces of Armenia and Karabakh will leave this territory, 7 regions will return under the control of Azerbaijan, and peacekeeping troops of the CSTO will be deployed on the territory of the NKR.

[iouris]

Quote: svoit

CSTO peacekeeping troops will be deployed on the territory of the NKR.

Have you already agreed?

[Vadim237]

"Azerbaijan has about a month until the basic resources are exhausted" - I must grieve you and they will not run out in six months now they are massively supplying weapons to them. Israeli and Turkish companies, from items of equipment to UAVs and tactical missiles. But most of the equipment in Armenia within a month of hostilities will end at the current pace for sure.

[Old26]

Quote: lucul

Back in the 80s, Israeli planes flew to Iran and Syria like at home, and now they don't go there)))

In fact, in the 80s there was a war between Iran and Iraq. In order to fly over Iran, Israel had to cross the territory of Iraq. Not what it has become now, but Iraqi Saddam Hussein. So what about flights over Iran, dear Vitaly, you "bent"

[TermNachTer]

As far as I understand, all the captured villages are on the plain, so it is difficult for Armenians to defend them. If they do not have any strategic significance, then why defend them? So, Baku's delights are a bit premature

[Scorpio05]

No not like this. The Azerbaijani Armed Forces stormed the heights near Talysh, Madagiz (Sugovushan) and so on,

[TermNachTer]

Do they have any, at least tactical significance? There are heights on the plain too

[Rage66]

Carthage must be destroyed

[Alexey Sommer]

That's right!

[Gleb Vyshinsky]

Quote: hrych

Japan knows how to fight. But we settled for 1905. And the millionth Kwantung Army was destroyed and the islands were cleaned up. The last word is ours. But Azerbaijan is not. Israel coped well with the Arabs, and Hezbollah gave the Tsahal in the horn ... a couple of times. Hezbollah destroyed more tanks than can be seen on Turkish UAVs, so what? Any doubts that Russia knows how to fight? Ask the Germans. Vaughn Erdogan and Jerusalem proclaimed Turkish, and you harnessed for it. Unconsciously.

Ask Zhukov and Stalin if the Russians could have won the war without allies, without Lend-Lease, without a naval blockade of Germany, without air pressure on the Reich. Better yet, read your memoirs at least a little, if, of course, the Internet and empty writings will allow you to find the time. By the way, if you want to scare someone, well, there is a robber or someone else, cry out loud SOROS, and he will die out of fear)))

[hrych]

Of course they could. It's just harder and more victims. This Lend Liz is a drop in the ocean, so catch it. Why should I poke a liberal blizzard? I have heard this heresy. Well, argue with Aliyev, he remembered Soros.

[Scorpio05]

Quote: hrych

Both of your countries ... do not know how to fight. This is the main conclusion. Also, given the superiority in people and technology, Az-n fights even worse than the worst. Therefore, there is nothing to boast about before us. And here is an expert who enthusiastically posted azerprop.

How did you decide. To bombard the dust of the city from the air (without the slightest opposition from air defense) with slippers with RPG, to let numerous Iranian proxies go there (not even counting their losses), and then to do a sweep is the height of perfect military tactics and martial art? Try, like the Azerbaijani Armed Forces, to storm the fortified mountains from the lowlands head-on with minefields, air defense, dug-in tanks, art, MLRS, OTRK, electronic warfare and without the use of aviation. Same for me iksperd))

[Gunther]

Scorpio05, it's good that in Syria we do not have iksperds who are pricking like rams to minefields))))

[Scorpio05]

And who rushes to the minefields?))

[hrych]

What are Iranian proxies? Quds all two thousand Hezbollah is not in Syria, but in Lebanon does not exceed 11 thousand. A couple of them also arrived, so what? They are more likely special forces and people with good experience. The latter were taught by the Tsakhal. And you seem to be a real expert.

Quote: Scorpio05

from the lowlands to the forehead fortified mountains

Well, only blockheads go to the forehead. Why are you lamenting? Who even forced it? Now Ganja will be leveled to you and hundreds of thousands of refugees will flood. And How? If peace comes faster, then okay, trumpet about the great victory and the capture of a dozen destroyed villages, and you will get it hard.

[Scorpio05]

Nobody will equalize anything. Secondly, there is no other option, you just probably need to bite into the enemy's defense little by little and cut it out little by little.

[hrych]

So they don't fight and don't win. There will be no sense in biting. Maneuver warfare is now in the price. And in general, they have already shown the maximum they are capable of. After all, the blow to Stepanokert is not from a good life. Before that, they tried to resolve the issue on the battlefield. Well, now the return line. What were you hoping for? Did you not foresee that there will be a surrender? Rave.

[Scorpio05]

Quote: Hyperion

That is, there was no burning of the Russian flag by the Armenian Soros?

It was, see above, in my comments.
By the way, I also love the work of Dan Simmons) True, I think his best works are "Ilion" and in general the series "Troy", not "Hyperion". Sorry for some deviation from the topic.

[Scorpio05]

Quote: Livonetc

And now other information comes in.
True, without video and photos.
Again, material from Kassad.

: The second largest city of Azerbaijan was hit at night.
The Armenians poured rockets into the military airfield in Ganja, where, among other things, Turkish F-16s are based. Along the way, part of the arrivals fell on residential areas. There is destruction in the city, the evacuation of residents has begun.
Armenia claims that a military airfield in Ganja has been destroyed. There are no photos and videos from there. "

So it didn't start today. The Armenians purposefully fire at Azerbaijani cities and regions (civilians) that have nothing to do with Karabakh and the regions of Azerbaijan adjacent to Karabakh. Including those far from Nagorno-Karabakh: Beylagan, Ter-ter, Bardu, and even the resort (!) Naftalan. Everyone has probably heard about the Naftalan medicinal oil and the hospitals there. So, 2 days ago, the Armenians destroyed a whole family of 5 people, incl. and two young children in Naftalan, firing long-range large-caliber weapons into the area. And now Ganja (the second city of Azerbaijan) is being shelled from the territory of Armenia, by the way, it turns out hiding behind the protection of the CSTO, since Azerbaijan, for obvious reasons, cannot respond appropriately to the Armenian Armed Forces shelling the territory of Azerbaijan located in the territory of Armenia.

[Scorpio05]

Quote: Hyperion

Quote: Scorpio05

Now find the same videos with the participation of Azerbaijanis

You write correctly. Azerbaijanis did not burn Russian flags. There are much more Russian schools in Azerbaijan than in Armenia. But this is for now. When Turkey strengthens its influence it will be different.
You know, I tried to objectively approach the issue of the Karabakh conflict. But after reading Turkish and Azerbaijani social networks, where they write a lot of bad things about Russians, about Russia, I changed my mind. Turkey - okay. This is the historical enemy of Russia, it happened so. Everything is clear with Turkey. But Azerbaijan is beginning to express negative things against Russia, in the person of Azerbaijanis. And this is natural, I do not argue. In war, as in war. Including on the Internet. But when historical facts are perverted in order to belittle the victory of the Russians - excuse me. Better yet, remind your Turkish friends of the Battle of Chesme and other victories of the Russians over the Turks. So that the neo-Ottomans talk less language.

Nothing like that will happen. Turkey does not at all influence the friendly relations between Azerbaijan and Israel. The same is about the friendly disposition and attraction of Azerbaijanis and Azerbaijan to Russia and Russian culture. There are things that never change and under no circumstances. If there is no initiative from Russia itself. Rather, it is not the initiative of Russia, but of various nationalities (mainly Armenians) who are firmly entrenched in the Russian establishment and various liberalism there (I do not like this term, but it correctly reflects the essence of this scum), which bared its grin against Azerbaijan these days. All these Latynins, Shenderovichs, Völlers, Albats, El Murids, Soloniny, Lapshins, Pozners, Khodorenok and others, as well as Echo of Moscow and Dozhdi, are different and raised howls and hysteria over Azerbaijan’s attempt to liberate its territories occupied by the Armenians. Well, well-known azerophobes K. Zatulin, V. Soloviev and his Armenian friends who joined them (even before these "liberals") ...

[Scorpio05]

Quote: TermNachTER

Do they have any, at least tactical significance? There are heights on the plain too

They have a very important strategic importance.

[Gunther]

Quote: Vitaly Gusin

... a successful reconnaissance operation of Israeli F-35 fighters in Iranian airspace

these scales from the magazines of the Kuwaiti daily rag "Al Jarida")))))

This yellow rag, repeatedly caught in lying and eating shekels, said that the S-300 air defense system supplied to Iran by Russia could not detect Israeli planes due to the fact that the Kremlin, they say, passed secret codes to the Tsakhal batyrs.
According to legend, the f-35s were refueled (for obvious reason) by tanker planes in the sky over Iran, and of course, these flying carcasses were also invisible - after a special secret rite performed by Rabbi Danilka the Baker))))))))
More than a year after the epic raid of "invisible men", Israel suddenly conducts exercises to bypass the S-300 air defense systems over the Mediterranean Sea, and there is a galloping hangover - there are "codes", f-35s hover over Iran like in their own tavern?
And yes, the commander of the air defense forces, Brigadier General Farzad Ismaily, was appointed as an assistant commander of the army by rotation.

[sentaniel]

Quote: hrych

EMP cannon too.

Are you talking about Knapsack-E? She only has one charge shot, then more than half an hour to reload. In this case, the project "Alabuga" with an EMP explosive generator is more promising IMHO.

[hrych]

And why did Kiriyenko get a star? That's right, for a source of high power and small size. Therefore, the EMP cannon will hit well.

[saylor1971]

Quote: Vitaly Gusin

The vaunted Turkish UAVs of the Bayraktar TB series are replicas of Heron and Aerostar. Manufacturing technology that Turkey acquired from Israel.

This is not true. The UAVs you named are only reconnaissance ones, and Bayraktar are reconnaissance and shock ones.

[borberd]

Heron is a multi-purpose machine, there are also percussion versions among them.

[Scorpio05]

Quote: hrych

What are Iranian proxies? Quds all two thousand Hezbollah is not in Syria, but in Lebanon does not exceed 11 thousand. A couple of them also arrived, so what? They are more likely special forces and people with good experience. The latter were taught by the Tsakhal. And you seem to be a real expert.

Quote: Scorpio05

from the lowlands to the forehead fortified mountains

Well, only blockheads go to the forehead. Why are you lamenting? Who even forced it? Now Ganja will be leveled to you and hundreds of thousands of refugees will flood. And How? If peace comes faster, then okay, trumpet about the great victory and the capture of a dozen destroyed villages, and you will get it hard.

Hrych, you haven't watched the news for a long time and haven't read the summary? Although these battles are already in the past. There are Hezbollah, and the Palestinian Liwa Al Quds brigades, and the Afghan Fatimiyun and Zeynabiya and the Iraqi Hashbi units. Even in the recent battles for Seraqib, Hezbollah played a significant role with very combat-ready Palestinians from Libya. And you probably didn't look at the map of Karabakh at all, the Azerbaijani Armed Forces were moving out from the lowlands, the Armenians had all the main heights. The Az. Army only in April 2016 managed to take several heights and now.

[hrych]

One thousand five of all these proxies. The XNUMXth CAA bears the brunt. Quds rather instructors and narrow specialists, Hezbollah and the Palestinians understand street battles. But this is such a small thing.

Quote: Scorpio05

The Az. Army only in April 2016 managed to take several heights and now.

So now it is not over. It is important what is ahead, in the future and how the aggressor will be driven from these heights. It is not enough to take the height, it still needs to be kept. It used to be good, now they use the same ATGMs in altitude. How many such shots, when the Kurds block up the Turkish checkpoints on high-rise buildings, only the limbs fly apart. And not every retreat should be carried out, for there may be a trap.

[Maximilian37]

Quote: Kot_Kuzya

That is, young Armenian and Azerbaijani guys are more dear to you than young Russian and Buryat guys? Why should Russian and Buryat guys die for the sake of the interests of Armenia and Azerbaijan? This is not our war, Russia should not interfere in this conflict, the Azerbaijanis, unlike the Armenians, did not gallop in 2018 with Russophobic slogans. Let his "friends" from the EU and the USA help the little Pashinyan.

Why shouldn't it? Must! But only by diplomatic methods! And the supply of weapons, ideally to both sides.

[Maximilian37]

Quote: Scorpio05

... Better we can talk about the whole battalion of Kurds who came to fight for the Armenians, according to Semyon Bagdasarov (he is a Karabakh citizen from Hadrut), said by him in V. Solovyov's broadcast the day before yesterday. According to S. Baghdasarov, the Kurds have already suffered serious losses.

Let's talk! Why not? The Kurds are enemies of the Turks, which means they have every right to beat them wherever possible. Well, that's logical. And so, your message looks like stuffing, like a huge number of messages from Azerbaijan and Armenia.

[TatarinSSSR]

Quote: Victor_B

The S-300, it seems, worked successfully, although, of course, it is not known for what purpose, and the result, too.

How's that? Then what is your conclusion that he "worked successfully"?

[Campanella]

It is sad, wild world, wild people, vile states at the head of this world mess!
And this western civilized world considers itself a mission?
Have they disheartened the Middle East, and now they are calling the peoples to peace?
All the last presidents of the United States, Merkel, Macron, Sarkozy should be brought to justice for inciting hatred and wars with verbiage about democracy.