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"This is impossible in a real battle": in Poland, they appreciated the landing of armored personnel carriers from sea transport

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During the Kavkaz-2020 exercises, the Russian fleet, carrying out a landing operation in the Caspian Sea, used an unusual way of the VTR-79 sea transport of weapons of project 20360 "Dubnyak".


Bottlenecks of the Caspian Flotilla


As the Polish edition of Defense24 explains, the Caspian flotilla does not belong to the largest strategic formations of the Russian Navy. This affects, in particular, its equipping with landing gear. In the course of these exercises, it was necessary to ferry two battalions of marines. Traditional means for this were not enough: for example, on the footage of the maneuvers, Project 1204 Bumblebee armored boats are visible, not suitable for landing - the infantry jumps from their deck, going under the water headlong (00:40).

The flotilla has only one landing craft "Ataman Platov" of project 21820 "Dugong", which can take on board three armored personnel carriers, one unit of project 1176 "Akula", six of project 11770 "Serna", which are capable of carrying one machine each ["Serna" all it is also designed to carry two armored personnel carriers / infantry fighting vehicles].

Meanwhile, it was necessary to transport twice as many BTR-82AM used by the Marine Corps.

- writes Defense24, indicating that in this regard, a sea transport of weapons VTR-79 of project 20360 "Dubnyak", equipped with a powerful crane, was used. As can be seen in the 50th second of the video, the armored personnel carrier was launched directly into the water from the deck of the ship, after which the crew took their places in it.


Such unconventional techniques would have been impossible during a landing in a real battle with enemy countermeasures and in other waters, especially with even a minimal wave

- explains the publication.
However, Defense24 believes that this example shows a major change in the training of command personnel:

Russian commanders have moved away from strict and schematic procedures and are able to improvise in the face of limited opportunities. This indicates a certain effectiveness of Russian reforms and the changes that took place at the turn of the century in the systems of command and control and training of officers.

VTR-79 is designed for transportation and reloading of weapons and other cargo. Its total displacement is about 2 thousand tons, length - 61,5 m, width - 15,7 m, draft - 3,1 m. The ship develops a speed above 10 knots. This ship is the only representative of the type 20360 "Dubnyak", which was considered unsuccessful by the Russian military. It was modified to project 20360M, according to which the construction of maritime transports of weapons is underway.

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  1. seregin-s1
    seregin-s1 3 October 2020 13: 26 New
    +9
    After capturing the coastline, you can apply this method.
    1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
      Kote Pan Kokhanka 3 October 2020 13: 45 New
      10
      The Caspian Sea is a specific theater of military operations !!! In some cases, simulating local realities, it is possible to unload equipment to the pier, or even organize the delivery of troops from point A to point B on their own! Fortunately, not the Pacific and not the Arctic Oceans!
      You can even aim at practicing refueling floating equipment afloat !!! Or to tow on pontoons, name the forces that can counter 100 BMP afloat in the Caspian, guarded by 10 ships and boats of the Caspian flotilla !!!?
      Poles????
      1. iouris
        iouris 3 October 2020 14: 28 New
        +2
        Anyone, as soon as his base appears in Azerbaijan or Turkmenistan. Rocket base. And drones will peck.
        1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
          Kote Pan Kokhanka 3 October 2020 15: 17 New
          -10 qualifying.
          Quote: iouris
          Anyone, as soon as his base appears in Azerbaijan or Turkmenistan. Rocket base. And drones will peck.

          Iiii !!!? What missiles will be based on this base?
          According to the agreements, the Caspian Sea is a closed water area, leaving them automatically closes the cargo turnover of these states through the "Volga-Don"!
          Yes, and any operation will already begin with a preemptive nuclear strike, in order to clear the bridgehead, followed by a pinpoint cleanup with Iskander, Caliber and Daggers. Nobody will play with spillikins. This outcast will be kicked by all the neighbors !!!
          1. Souchastnik
            Souchastnik 3 October 2020 21: 16 New
            +5
            Nobody will play with spillikins. This outcast will be kicked by all the neighbors !!!

            I'm not sure of such a decisive attitude of our leadership. Rather, as in a joke, they will shy away across Voronezh, because they are not there.
          2. vVvAD
            vVvAD 6 October 2020 12: 00 New
            0
            With the preventive, you clearly got excited. But in the event of hostilities, sky control will not allow the enemy to act.
            The first use of missiles from this missile base is already entering the war. Turkey ... does she want it? We have already done it economically once, and I don’t think he will want to repeat it.
      2. Yok Migarek
        Yok Migarek 3 October 2020 20: 22 New
        +1
        Quote: Kote Pan Kokhanka

        ..... name the forces that can resist in the Caspian with 100 infantry fighting vehicles afloat, guarded by 10 ships and boats of the Caspian flotilla !!!?
        Poles????

        6 US Navy.
        Jane Psaki.
      3. Captain45
        Captain45 3 October 2020 21: 50 New
        +3
        Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
        The Caspian Sea is a specific theater of military operations !!! In some cases, simulating local realities, it is possible to unload equipment to the pier, or even organize the delivery of troops from point A to point B on their own! Fortunately, not the Pacific and not the Arctic Oceans!
        You can even aim at practicing refueling floating equipment afloat !!!

        On Tanker's Day, the Zvezda shopping mall showed a documentary film about tanks in the USSR and the Russian Federation for almost 8 hours, and one episode was devoted to the PT-76 amphibious tank. It was there that they showed the crossing of the Kerch Strait in the 70s by PT-76 with refueling afloat. This is something ...... I think, if the right command arrived at that time, the English Channel would not have saved Britain, as it did from Hitler. It is a pity that such a command did not come, how much easier life would be now.
      4. Nazar
        Nazar 5 October 2020 08: 12 New
        +3
        Kote pane Kohanka - quote: "name the forces that can counteract in the Caspian with 100 infantry fighting vehicles afloat, guarded by 10 ships and boats of the Caspian flotilla !!!?
        Poles ???? "- Turks, even without a naval base in the Caspian. They are already there with their aviation - F16 is already there. The freebie with the" closed sea "ends.
    2. venik
      venik 3 October 2020 14: 19 New
      +5
      Quote: seregin-s1
      VTR-79 project 20360 "Dubnyak"

      ======
      good Well, APPLY!
    3. Doccor18
      Doccor18 3 October 2020 14: 23 New
      +7
      This kind of unconventional techniques would have been impossible during a landing in a real battle with enemy opposition ...

      Even at the end of WWII, the Americans first compared to the ground all the positions of the Japanese, and only then made the landing of the marines, with complete domination from the air. 75 years have passed since then ...
      It must be assumed that during this time the tactics of naval operations have advanced in their perfection. No one in their right mind would throw the marines under artillery or aviation fire. ..
  2. Observer2014
    Observer2014 3 October 2020 13: 27 New
    +1
    The landing from the sea in the style of "Saving Private Rhine" can only be seen in the movies. And in the exercises. And for modern special operations, and so it will come down. Especially with our filling the fleet with ships of different ranks and types.
    1. chingachguc
      chingachguc 3 October 2020 13: 36 New
      +7
      it won't work like that
    2. PSih2097
      PSih2097 3 October 2020 20: 30 New
      +1
      Quote: Observer2014
      The landing from the sea in the style of "Saving Private Rain" can only be seen in the movies.

      in fact, in the film everything is very much embellished (even the veterans of the landing said that), in fact, everything was even worse ...
      Quote: Observer2014
      And at the exercises

      Well, teachings and teachings.
  3. AshPoseidon
    AshPoseidon 3 October 2020 13: 36 New
    +6
    In war, all means are good.
  4. chingachguc
    chingachguc 3 October 2020 13: 36 New
    +4
    lack of landing gear. sharp.
  5. Egoza
    Egoza 3 October 2020 14: 22 New
    +3
    “Never say never.” Poland seems to have forgotten about this, just as they forgot about the fact that the Russians are capable of what no other warrior is capable of.
    1. Alex bergman
      Alex bergman 3 October 2020 19: 42 New
      +3
      "Russians are scary for their unpredictability!"
      "While the enemies are planning an operation, we manually change the landscapes."
    2. poquello
      poquello 3 October 2020 23: 23 New
      0
      Quote: Egoza
      “Never say never.” Poland seems to have forgotten about this, just as they forgot about the fact that the Russians are capable of what no other warrior is capable of.


      "Russian commanders have moved away from strict and schematic procedures and are able to improvise in the face of limited opportunities. This indicates a certain effectiveness of Russian reforms and the changes that took place at the turn of the century in the systems of command and training of officers."

      Poles need to look less under the blanket of "four tankmen with a dog", the Germans instantly rolled out Poland, and it was the Russian commanders who liberated the Poles
  6. silberwolf88
    silberwolf88 3 October 2020 14: 22 New
    +2
    yes, everything is possible ... the main thing is how the shore is prepared (cleaned) ...
  7. ZEMCH
    ZEMCH 3 October 2020 15: 34 New
    +3
    You can also use lighter carriers))
    In Novorossiysk on Malaya Zemlya, tanks were dropped from two motorbots connected in a pair, a deck was made of logs on top and dropped off. So everything is fine in war, which helps)))
  8. Nyrobsky
    Nyrobsky 3 October 2020 17: 07 New
    +2
    It's impossible for the Poles, but ours, one way or another, will do it.
  9. Radikal
    Radikal 3 October 2020 18: 20 New
    +5
    Quote: Kote Pan Kokhanka
    Quote: iouris
    Anyone, as soon as his base appears in Azerbaijan or Turkmenistan. Rocket base. And drones will peck.

    Iiii !!!? What missiles will be based on this base?
    According to the agreements, the Caspian Sea is a closed water area, leaving them automatically closes the cargo turnover of these states through the "Volga-Don"!
    Yes, and any operation will already begin with a preemptive nuclear strike, in order to clear the bridgehead, followed by a pinpoint cleanup with Iskander, Caliber and Daggers. Nobody will play with spillikins. This outcast will be kicked by all the neighbors !!!

    God forbid the RF Armed Forces from such "generals". ,, lol
  10. VLADIMIR VLADIVOSTOK
    VLADIMIR VLADIVOSTOK 3 October 2020 19: 42 New
    0
    No need to organize a mess off the coast of the United States! Maybe the despots will calm down? Arranged skirmish near the borders of Russia! My not, my! And the Poles are pseudo
    experts! Crazy Ivan can do something that other warriors do not fit in the head!
  11. cat Rusich
    cat Rusich 3 October 2020 20: 01 New
    0
    You can also drop off a river barge, you just need to deliver it by sea ... In principle, the exercises show that having the marines, you need to have delivery vehicles ... and it is better to take care of this in advance.
  12. tatarin1972
    tatarin1972 3 October 2020 20: 40 New
    +3
    The lack of amphibious forces and equipment is visible not only in the Caspian Flotilla, but also in all other fleets. At the moment, none of the fleets will be able to conduct a large-scale landing operation on each of the fleets of landing craft per battalion. Flight - lifting forces for two battalions (if removed from all fleets).
  13. Saxahorse
    Saxahorse 3 October 2020 20: 43 New
    +4
    Goal for fiction is cunning! wassat

    But from boats they dived very risky on the BTR-82, the old BTR-80 after such a jump might not swim in, there were precedents. A lifebuoy with a buoy on the tower hints at this unobtrusively.

    But on the whole, of course, it’s a dumb show. If Serdyukov became famous for "optimizations" wherever needed and not needed, then Shoigu seems to bring us back to the time when the grass is painted green. negative
  14. 75 Sergey
    75 Sergey 4 October 2020 05: 43 New
    0
    Why doesn't he just jump from the ramp into the water, he's a float ?!
  15. Pashhenko Nikolay
    Pashhenko Nikolay 4 October 2020 10: 18 New
    0
    In an attack under the guise of an armored personnel carrier? God forbid, really someone to participate in this.
  16. arhPavel
    arhPavel 4 October 2020 12: 47 New
    0
    And for a long time Poland was engaged in the organization and conduct of amphibious operations. They have shown in practice that the method is possible, why deny objective reality.

    There is a tool, and how and in what conditions it is used will be decided by those who will use it. (When capturing the coastline, outside the zone of destruction of enemy systems or under cover of smoke or other camouflage systems - military specialists will figure it out)

    I think it's useless to pound water in a mortar.
  17. Gloomy skeptic
    Gloomy skeptic 4 October 2020 16: 17 New
    0
    The Poles commented - ha, ha, ha !!! As always - fluttering your tongue is much easier, especially when the Polish army last defeated anyone? All the victories of the Poles remained only at the level of myths. But the Poles can criticize those who know how to fight, although maybe they do it from a simple complex of their own inferiority? Who knows.
  18. Pavel57
    Pavel57 4 October 2020 16: 57 New
    0
    Some armored personnel carriers, no tanks.
  19. Dedok
    Dedok 5 October 2020 11: 25 New
    0
    psheki correctly written!
    and the saying "hard to learn, easy to fight" - shows our current problems
    Is someone doing censorship here? and the defense censorship? it seems - no, and now not only psheks will laugh, any "banana" country will also point a finger at us!
  20. AML
    AML 5 October 2020 12: 37 New
    0
    Everything works out only for those who do nothing.
    Have tried - there are pluses and minuses. If the pluses outweigh, they will develop such a drop. If the battle is "overhead", then at least overloading the submarine - they will get it, but if the TVD is tens of kilometers away, then why is such an unloading bad?