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Armored vehicles of Germany in the Second World War. Medium Tank Pz Kpfw V "Panther" (Sd Kfz 171)

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Armored vehicles of Germany in the Second World War. Medium Tank Pz Kpfw V "Panther" (Sd Kfz 171)
German off the assembly line Tanks Panther and Tiger in the courtyard of the Henschel factory



Towers of tanks "Panther" in the wagons at the railway station in Aschaffenburg (Aschaffenburg), broken by bombardment


In 1937, several companies were instructed to design a next, but heavier, battle tank model. Unlike other combat vehicles, things were moving slowly. Tanks Pz Kpfw III and IV so far satisfied the command of the Wehrmacht, but because for a long time it could not decide on the TTT to the new tank and changed those. task several times. Were built only a few prototypes, equipped with 75-millimeter short-barreled gun. However, in many respects, they were rather types of heavy tanks.

Slowness in the design disappeared immediately after the German attack on the Soviet Union, when German tanks on the battlefield met with KV and T-34. A month later, the company Rheinmetall took up the development of a powerful tank guns. At the suggestion of Guderian spec. The commission began to study captured Soviet cars. 20 November 41 of the year the commission reported on the design features of the T-34 tank, which had to be implemented in German tanks: oblique placement of armored armor plates, large diameter rollers, which provide stability during movement and so on. The Ministry of Weapons almost immediately instructed MAN and Daimler-Benz to create a prototype tank VK3002, which in many respects resembled a Soviet tank: combat weight - 35 thousand kg., Power density - 22 hp / t, speed - 55 km / h , armor - millimeter 60, long-barreled 75-mm gun. The task was conditionally called "Panther" ("Panther").

In May, the 42 of the year by the selection committee (the so-called “Panter Commission”) reviewed both projects. Daimler-Benz proposed a sample that even looked like T-34. The layout of the units was copied completely: the drive wheels and the engine compartment were located at the back. The large diameter 8 rollers were staggered, interlocked two by two and had leaf springs as the elastic element of the suspension. The tower was moved forward, the corps armor plates were installed at a large angle. Daimler-Benz even proposed to install a diesel engine instead of a gasoline engine, as well as use a hydraulic control system.

The sample, presented by MAN, had a rear engine and a front gear box. Suspension torsion bar, double, individual, the rollers were arranged in a checkerboard pattern. Between the engine compartment and the control compartment (transmission) there was a combat compartment. Therefore, the tower pushed back to the stern. It was installed 75-millimeter cannon with a barrel long (L / 70, 5250 mm).



The Daimler-Benz project was very good. Suspension elements - easier and cheaper to manufacture and further maintenance. A. Hitler was personally interested in the work on this machine and gave preference to this particular tank, but demanded to install a long-barreled gun. He then “hacked” the project, although the companies managed to issue an order for the production of 200 machines (the order was later canceled).

"Pantaromissiya" supported the project of the company MAN, and the first place, not seeing the advantages in the rear location of the transmission and engine. But the trump card - the tower of the company Daimler-Benz was needed a serious refinement. The finished tower of the company Reinmetall, the Daimler project did not save, because it did not dock with the hull. Thus, MAN won this competition and began building the first batch of cars.

The constructors of the Pz Kpfw V tank (the car was called “Panther” in everyday life and staff documents without mentioning the code much later - after 43) were P. Vibikke, chief engineer of the MAN tank department and G. Knipkamp, ​​engineer from the management of testing and improvement weapons.

In September 42 of the year was ready in VK3002 metal and was subjected to rigorous testing. Tanks of the installation series appeared in November. The haste that was shown during the design and launch into production led to a large number of “childhood” diseases in Pz Kpfw V. The tank's mass exceeded the design one by 8 tons, so the specific power decreased. The 60 mm frontal armor was clearly weak, the frontal machine gun was missing. Before the release of the D-modification machine X in January of 43, these problems were solved: the thickness of the armor was brought to 80 millimeters, a machine gun was installed in the slot in the slot. Assembly lines for serial machines were established at the factories of Daimler-Benz, Demag, Henschel, MNH and others. And yet, “Panthers” in the first months of service failed more often from various failures, and not from the impact of the enemy.

In the second half of 43, vehicles of modification A appeared, having received a frontal machine gun mounted in a ball mount and a new commander's turret having armored periscope heads. Machines of modification G, produced from 44-th and until the end of the war, had a different angle of inclination of the hull side plates (instead of 50 ° - 60 °), increased mass and ammunition.



From the very beginning, the production of Panther had the highest priority. It was planned that the month will be built on 600 machines. However, the plan has never been fulfilled. Record release - 400 tanks - reached only in July 44 year. For comparison: already in the 42 year, more than a thousand T-34 were produced per month. A total of 5976 Pz Kpfw V was collected.

During the transition from modification to modification, the designers sought mainly to maximize the effectiveness of the weapon, as well as to provide convenience for the crew. A powerful 75 mm KwK42 tank gun was specially designed. Her armor-piercing shell pierced 140-mm armor plate mounted vertically from a distance of 1000 meters. The choice of a relatively small caliber provided a high rate of fire and allowed to increase the ammunition. Inspection instruments and high quality sights. This made it possible to fight the enemy at distances 1,5 — 2 km. The tower, which has a solid polik, was driven by a hydraulic actuator. By electric start increased shooting accuracy. The commander had at his disposal a turret with 7-th periscopic observation devices. To install an anti-aircraft machine gun on the turret there was a ring. The gas content of the fighting compartment was reduced with the help of a special device for blowing the barrel of a cannon with compressed air and suction of gases from the sleeve. The stern of the tower had a hatch for loading ammunition, changing the barrel and the emergency exit loader. On the left side there was a round flap, designed to eject spent cartridges.

The AK-7-200 mechanical transmission consisted of a three-disk main friction clutch for dry friction, a seven-speed gearbox (one reverse gear), a planetary rotation mechanism with double power supply, a disc brake and final drives. The transmission was hydraulically driven. The driver drove the tank using the steering wheel.

The propeller shaft from the motor to the gearbox was divided into three parts. The middle part was used to take power to the hydraulic pump of the turret's rotation mechanism. The load on the tracks was more evenly distributed due to the staggered arrangement of the rollers. The damaged tank could be easily towed. Since there were many skating rinks, it became possible to supply them with a thin rubber seal, which did not overheat during long-term movement. The combination of such a chassis and individual torsional suspension of the rollers provided this rather heavy car with good throughput and smoothness. However, during the cold season, the dirt was packed between the rinks, it froze and blocked them. During the retreat, the crews often abandoned their serviceable, however, immobilized tanks.

German tank Pz.Kpfw. V Panther Ausf.G with the Sperber FG 1250 night vision device mounted on the commander's turret. Daimler-Benz Center Test Site


German tank Pz.Kpfw. V Ausf.A “Panther” and Sd.Kfz armored personnel carrier. 251 with carriages on the road. Second left near the tank - SS obershturmführer Karl Nicholas-Lek, commander of 8./SS-Panzerregiment 5 (8-I company of the 5-th SS tank regiment - a division of the Viking 5-SS). The outskirts of Warsaw


The tank successfully combined the hull form and rational angles of the armor plates. The hatch for the driver was carried out in the roof of the hull to increase the strength of the front sheet. From the second half of 43, the booking was reinforced by hanging on the sides of the screens. The tower and the body of the Panther, as well as other German self-propelled guns and tanks, were covered with special cement “zimemer”, which excluded the “sticking” of magnetic mines and grenades to them.

According to the overwhelming majority of experts, Pz Kpfw V is the best machine of the German Panzervaffe and one of the strongest tanks in the Second World War. He was a dangerous opponent in tank battles. Neither the Americans nor the British create a tank equivalent to the "Panther", could not.

With a large number of positive combat qualities, this machine remained at the production stage of low-tech, and during operation - difficult. For some sites had low technical reliability. For example, torsion bars often broke, and their replacement was very laborious. The onboard transmissions and drive wheels quickly failed due to general congestion. Until the end of the war, these shortcomings could not be completely eliminated.

As for Daimler-Benz, the company did not lose hope to create its own “Panther”. The designers in the first place took up the tower. She was given a narrowed shape and reduced the area of ​​the frontal sheet. A wide rectangular mask with holes for a sight and a machine gun was replaced with a conical clutch. The turret, which had a 120-mm frontal, 60-mm onboard and 25-millimeter upper sheets, was equipped with a rangefinder. The rollers of the new tank had internal depreciation. Speed ​​increased to 55 kilometers per hour. The remaining characteristics remain unchanged. We managed to build only one instance of the tank, known as modification F, - the Pz Kpfw “Panther II” was already being worked out under the 88-millimeter cannon.

On the only new “Panther” manufactured by MAN, the design mass in 48 tons was increased to 55 tons, although the gun and the tower remained the same. The tank received seven rollers on board, and single torsions replaced double ones.

On the basis of the tank Pz Kpfw V was released 339 Bergepanther Sd Kfz 179 (repair and recovery vehicles) combat weight 43 thousand kg. The crew consisted of five people. Initially, the machine was armed with 20-millimeter automatic cannon, and later - only two machine guns. The tower was replaced with a cargo platform with 80-mm armored sides intended for the transport of spare parts. The machine was equipped with a crane boom and a powerful winch.

German tankers on the tank "Panther" commander modification (Panzerbefehlswagen Panther). Externally, they differ from linear machines with two antennas mounted on the housing.


Tanks PzKpfw V "Panther" 130-th regiment of the tank training division of the Wehrmacht in Normandy. In the foreground - the muzzle brake of the gun of one of the "Panthers"


329 "Panther" were converted into commander tanks - they installed the second radio station mounted by reducing the ammunition to 64 shots. There was also a Pz Beob Wg "Panther" 41 machine for artillery observers. The tower, which had a wooden model instead of a cannon and a embrasure embedded, did not rotate. The range finder was located in the tower. Out of the armament, two machine guns were left: in the frontal part of the turret in a ball mount, and in the course one (similar to modification D).

"Panther" was considered as a base for a series of self-propelled guns with 105- and 150-millimeter howitzers, 30-millimeter paired in the tower and 88-millimeter anti-aircraft guns, 128-millimeter cannon and guides for firing rockets. It was also planned to create a reconnaissance tank having a shortened chassis and an assault tank having an 150-millimeter cannon. However, all this was not destined to come true.

Pz Kpfw "Panther" for the first time went to the Kursk Bulge as part of the Fifty-first and Fifty-second tank battalions of the Tenth Tank Brigade - 204 vehicles, including 7 command and 4 repair and recovery vehicles. Then they were used on all fronts.

Technical characteristics of medium tanks Pz Kpfw V "Panther" (Ausf D / Ausf G):
Year of manufacture 1943 / 1944;
Combat weight - 43000 kg / 45500 kg;
Crew - 5 man;
MAIN DIMENSIONS:
Housing length - 6880 mm / 6880 mm;
Length with a gun forward - 8860 mm / 8860 mm;
Width - 3400 mm / 3400 mm;
Height - mm 2950 / mm 2980;
PROTECTION:
The thickness of the armor plates of the frontal part of the body (angle of inclination to the vertical) - 80 mm (55 degrees);
The thickness of the armor plates of the hull sides (tilt angle to the vertical) - 40 mm (40 degrees) / 50 mm (30 degrees);
The thickness of the armor plates of the frontal part of the tower (angle of inclination to the vertical) - 100 mm (10 degrees) / 110 mm (11 degrees);
The thickness of the armor plates of the roof and bottom of the hull - 15 and 30 mm / 40 and 30 mm;
ARMAMENT:
Brand gun - KwK42;
Caliber - 75 mm;
Barrel length 70 calibers;
Ammunition - 79 shots / 81 shots;
The number of machine guns - 2 pcs .;
Machine gun caliber - 7,92 mm;
Ammunition - 5100 ammo / 4800 ammo;
MOBILITY:
Type and make of engine - "Maybach" HL230P30;
Power - 650 l. S./700 l. with.;
Maximum speed on the highway - 46 km / h;
Fuel stock - 730 l;
Cruising on the highway - 200 km;
The average ground pressure is 0,85 kg / cm2 / 0,88 kg / cm2.



The commander of the Great Germany tank regiment, Colonel Willy Langkate (second from left), is talking to the crew next to the Pz.Kpfw tank. V "Panther". Willy Langkeith, the future commander of the Kurmark division, was awarded the Knight's Cross with oak leaves. South Ukraine, May-June 1944


German tanks PzKpfw V "Panther" in the area of ​​Orel


Tank Pz.Kpfw. V "Panther" from the 31-th tank regiment of the 5-th tank division of the Wehrmacht in Goldap. Gołdap is one of the first settlements of East Prussia taken by the 20.10.1944 Red Army. But as a result of a counterstrike, the Germans managed to repel the city.


German panzergrenadery and tanks Pz.Kpfw. V "Panther" on the march in Lower Silesia


Soviet tank T-44-122 and German tank PzKpfw V "Panther" on comparative tests. Photos from the archive of the Kharkov Engineering Design Bureau named after A.A. Morozova


Tanks Pz.Kpfw. V “Panther” of the 3 th SS Panzer Regiment (SS Pz.Rgt. 3) of the 3 Tankopren SS Panzer Grenadier Division, shot down by Soviet artillery south of the city of Pultusk (Poland). Captured by the troops of the 1 of the Belarusian Front


German tanks Pz.Kpfw. V "Panther", destroyed by Soviet troops near the Ukrainian village


Moment of hitting a grenade from a bazooka grenade launcher (M1 Bazooka) in an average German tank Pz.Kpfw. V "Panther"


German tank Pz.Kpfw. V Ausf.G "Panther" from the tank division "Feldkhernhelle", abandoned in the unsuccessful breakthrough of the Germans from the blocked Budapest. The number of the Soviet trophy team "132". Suburb of Budapest


Soviet trophy men mark a padded German tank Pz.Kpfw. V "Panther". Lake Balaton District


The defective German tanks Pz.Kpfw.V "Panther" from the 10 "Panterbrigade" (tank regiment of von Lauchert) abandoned under Prokhorovka


Tank Pz.Kpfw. V "Panther" Ausf. G, who was third in the column, stands aft in the direction of column movement. Disabled by three hits 100-mm projectiles in the mask gun. The number of the Soviet trophy team "76". Column of German armored vehicles, destroyed from ambush by Soviet artillery on the border of Hungary and Austria, near the town of Detritz


Soviet soldiers inspect the German tank Pz.Kpfw captured in the city of Uman. V Ausf. A “Panther” three days after the liberation of the city from the 10 invaders March 1944


Captured serviceable tanks Pz.Kpfw. V "Panther" (according to some data from the 10-th Panther Brigade). The tanks were captured at the emergency vehicles assembly point (SPAM) on the outskirts of Belgorod. The long-range tank with the tactical number 732 was delivered to Kubinka for testing.


Soviet children playing abandoned German tank Pz.Kpfw. V Ausf. D "Panther" in Kharkov


Trophy German tank Pz.Kpfw. V "Panther" from the 366 th SAP (self-propelled artillery regiment). 3-th Ukrainian Front. Hungary, March 1945 of the year


Trophy German equipment at an exhibition in the Gorky Central Culture and Exhibition Complex in Moscow in the autumn of 1945. In the foreground is the heavy German tank Pz.Kpfw VI Ausf.B “The Royal Tiger”, the turret armor of which is pierced with 57-mm anti-tank ZiS-2 anti-tank cannon, followed by two heavy tanks Pz.Kpfw VI Ausf. E "Tiger" different editions, followed by Pz.Kpfw V "Panther" and other armored vehicles. In the left lane are two anti-tank SAU "Marder", German BTR, SAU StuG III, SAU "Vespe" and other armored vehicles


A company of captured German tanks Pz.Kpfw. V “Panther” of Guard Lieutenant Sotnikov east of Prague (not the Czech capital, but a suburb of Warsaw)


German tank Pz.Kpfw. V Ausf. G "Panther" in the Bulgarian army. The soldiers are characterized by typical Italian-style Bulgarian bushes, and the officer (with a gun, arms akimbo) has a no less characteristic Bulgarian cap. This picture can be dated even 1945 — 1946 over the years (it all depends on how long the Bulgarians had German equipment in service after the war ended). At the end of the same 1940-s Bulgarian army (as well as the armies of other countries of the socialist camp), dressed in the form of the Soviet sample
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  1. Sakhalininsk
    Sakhalininsk 10 August 2012 09: 43 New
    +6
    Panther is the best in my opinion German WWII tank. These tanks were formidable opponents of our tankers and the more pride that our grandfathers gouged the owners of such equipment to the nines.
    1. Vadivak
      Vadivak 10 August 2012 09: 53 New
      +4
      Quote: Sakhalininets
      Panther is the best in my opinion German WWII tank.


      So it’s so Sergey, but it’s too late to drink Borjomi when the kidneys refused, and it’s very capricious, near Kursk they broke more than fought everywhere, and the tank should be simple and reliable, and of course it and the tank

      Guderian - about the Kursk Bulge "fears about the unavailability of the Panthers were fully confirmed." Transmission breakdowns, fires in the engine compartment were constantly noted. On the very first day, out of 200 Panthers operating on the site of the IV Tank Army, 160 vehicles failed.
      1. Sakhalininsk
        Sakhalininsk 10 August 2012 11: 03 New
        +2
        Well, no matter how no one denies the fact that you have cited. As well as the fact that the formation of the image of the Panther tank was played including the Soviet T34.
        I speak generally about the project. And the project is unlikely to be denied that for its time it was very advanced, in terms of equipment, the tank was ahead of all competitors. As they say, thank God that our grandfathers fought with fairly crude machines, and thanks to this there were fewer casualties among our soldiers.
        1. Yemelya
          Yemelya 10 August 2012 18: 44 New
          +5
          Quote: Sakhalininets
          And the project is unlikely to deny that for its time it is very advanced

          In my opinion, the project was a mistake. The tank was armed with a cannon, capable of perfectly fighting armored vehicles, but having shells with a low OF effect. I consider such an imbalance unacceptable. In pursuit of the opportunity to destroy enemy tanks, they completely forgot about their own infantry, which needs support with fire. The hero-tanker Pavlov, returning from Spain, noted in his report that in order to successfully defeat targets in the enemy line of defense, a 76-107 mm gun was needed for the tank, i.e. 76 mm is the lower limit, and lengthening the barrel and increasing the charge greatly reduces the number of explosives. The Soviet analogue of the Panther is the T-34-57 - the same concept, we, thank God, refused it, but the Allies went along the German path and created the same flawed (from the point of view of balanced characteristics) tanks (Sherman) with 76 mm M1, Sherman Firefly, Comet, Centurion Mk1). The T-34-85 looks much more attractive - although not so anti-tank, but during modernization the mass of explosives in HE shells did not decrease, but increased.
          1. bistrov.
            bistrov. 10 August 2012 19: 31 New
            +1
            Totally agree with you.
  2. Civil
    Civil 10 August 2012 09: 54 New
    0
    whatever you say, this is a cheap alternative to the Tiger,
    1. Sergl
      Sergl 13 August 2012 09: 14 New
      0
      Quote: Civil
      whatever you say, this is a cheap alternative to the Tiger,


      In fact, it was assumed that the Panthers would change the Quartet.
    2. Speedy
      Speedy 14 August 2012 14: 26 New
      +1
      This is generally not an alternative to the Tiger, as these are machines of different classes (not by weight but by destination).
  3. Kars
    Kars 10 August 2012 09: 58 New
    +6
    Panther - this is the panzerraffe grave digger, which undermined its striking power in the most critical period.

    For me, some photos characterize her fate, such as this. It can be seen in the expression on the faces of the tankers.
    1. igor67
      igor67 10 August 2012 10: 02 New
      +1
      Kars,
      Good morning, Andrei, in the guns, are you also good at it?
      1. igor67
        igor67 10 August 2012 10: 35 New
        +5
        I’m sorry that it’s not the topic, but yesterday I took off this thing, 1939, just geopolitics everywhere, no place to insert
      2. igor67
        igor67 10 August 2012 10: 54 New
        +3
        manufacturer sign
        1. Kars
          Kars 10 August 2012 11: 02 New
          +1
          I’m not a stranger, I will get where I will unsubscribe.
        2. igor67
          igor67 12 August 2012 15: 48 New
          0
          Andrey found something like a French company,
    2. Stas57
      Stas57 10 August 2012 10: 43 New
      +1
      For me, some photos characterize her fate, such as this. It can be seen in the expression on the faces of the tankers.
      and that they rejoice, the end of the war and not in their favor)
      1. Kars
        Kars 10 August 2012 11: 04 New
        +4
        What can I find funny Fritz in 1945?
        1. Stas57
          Stas57 10 August 2012 12: 55 New
          0
          what’s it for you, well, find it if hunting, I’m cool
          1. Kars
            Kars 10 August 2012 13: 46 New
            +1
            Quote: Stas57
            me fuck

            It happens.

            Of course, I won’t answer for the year
            1. Stas57
              Stas57 10 August 2012 13: 58 New
              +2
              something mass joy is not noticeable
              that’s where the joy is, for them the war is already over
              1. Kars
                Kars 10 August 2012 14: 14 New
                0
                You can find them at any stage, but they don’t belong to the Panther tank, right?
                1. Stas57
                  Stas57 10 August 2012 14: 56 New
                  0
                  oh panther, so where are the smiles from panthers? I did not see)
                  and in your photo the column is somehow sad)))
                  1. Kars
                    Kars 10 August 2012 15: 35 New
                    0
                    Well, I don’t know, you are too demanding --- funny faces, after all, they get iron crosses.
                    1. Stas57
                      Stas57 10 August 2012 15: 38 New
                      0
                      ok so let it be)
                    2. igor67
                      igor67 10 August 2012 15: 44 New
                      0
                      Here is the article with interesting data on prisoners of war And how they were returned: http://army.armor.kiev.ua/hist/dolgplen.shtml
    3. Prohor
      Prohor 10 August 2012 16: 37 New
      +1
      Why are Hans so dull? request After all, there are no holes!
      1. Stas57
        Stas57 10 August 2012 17: 39 New
        0
        and what have we been discussing for so long))))))
    4. Alex
      Alex 18 February 2014 00: 18 New
      +2
      Quote: Kars
      It can be seen in the expression on the faces of the tankers.
      Yeah, they somehow don't look very good.
  4. kotdavin4i
    kotdavin4i 10 August 2012 10: 00 New
    +2
    It was a good technique, if it weren’t for childhood diseases with transmission and a self-commissioned commissioning we would have been even harder. Chess suspension gives greater smoothness of movement, and even then there were no stabilizers of the barrel - shooting from the course was more accurate than that of Soviet tanks. + accuracy and quality of German optics, long-barreled gun. Yes, many more pluses. For me it would be better if all efforts were put on this tank and not sprayed on tigers and king tigers.
    1. Prohor
      Prohor 10 August 2012 16: 54 New
      +1
      No, with such a scale of the war, the Germans “Panther” would not have pulled with all the desire. I personally support the opinion of Baryatinsky that the Germans were very mistaken in releasing the Panther instead of the Quartet, which could be done 2-3 times more for the same money.
      And thank God!
      1. loft79
        loft79 10 August 2012 22: 38 New
        +1
        I agree. more count debugged 4 is preferable
    2. loft79
      loft79 10 August 2012 22: 34 New
      +3
      Quote: kotdavin4i
      Chess suspension gives greater smoothness of movement, and even then there were no stabilizers of the barrel - shooting from the course was more accurate than that of Soviet tanks


      Shooting right away is only for wit and general fire impact on the enemy, even for a panther. Standing something not the first time fell, skill and "eye" range finder at the gunner.

      Then the suspension is difficult to maintain, clogged with dirt, plus the weight of the suspension. These are the cons.

      IMHO.
  5. Brother Sarych
    Brother Sarych 10 August 2012 10: 07 New
    +1
    It seems to me that it was a very good tank, one of the best in that war ...
    Of course, this is not a medium tank, rather a heavy one, so it should look for an equal among the heavy ones ...
    Several photos were interesting: I didn’t understand why the vertical sheet on the tower on the tank burned out under the Balaton, clearly stating how the Americans shoot the German bazooka, in the last photo in the commentary - and so the Bulgarian form did not differ much from ours ...
    1. Kars
      Kars 10 August 2012 11: 09 New
      +4
      Quote: Brother Sarych
      why a vertical sheet on a tower on a tank burned out under the Balaton

      That's better?
      1. Brother Sarych
        Brother Sarych 10 August 2012 11: 28 New
        +1
        Well here it’s clear, the whole roof was raised, but in that case, only one sheet? In another photo, it seemed that the sheet was also lifted, but it seemed to be torn off entirely - a fragment remained on the tower ....
        1. Kars
          Kars 10 August 2012 11: 49 New
          +4
          Quote: Brother Sarych
          but in that case only one sheet

          The explosion is unpredictable. Or do you think the Red Army soldiers from the Bulgarian have cut something to make a photo?
          1. datur
            datur 10 August 2012 20: 08 New
            0
            Kars, but ours could: belay yes : but only with a sapper blade repeat after 100 grams of front-line yes in excitement !!!!! laughing laughing
      2. kotdavin4i
        kotdavin4i 10 August 2012 11: 31 New
        +2
        It looks like an explosion of the ammunition in the tower, at the end of the war the Germans had lower quality of armor than the baseboard, and the tower was already welded too ... so it blew off a darling like a lid on a can of sprat ...
        1. Kars
          Kars 10 August 2012 11: 54 New
          +3
          And sometimes such a jar
          1. Vadivak
            Vadivak 10 August 2012 14: 03 New
            +2
            Quote: Kars
            And sometimes such a jar


            Why are you doing this like that? But let it not climb
            1. Kars
              Kars 10 August 2012 14: 12 New
              +2
              Quote: Vadivak
              Why are you doing this like that?

              Not from evil, just like to look at broken German tanks.

              Especially on this misunderstanding called Panther
              For the average - too complicated and expensive
              For the heavily disarmed.

              But the fact that the Panther 2 did not enter the troops makes me happy.
              1. Vadivak
                Vadivak 10 August 2012 15: 29 New
                +2
                Quote: Kars
                But the fact that the Panther 2 did not enter the troops makes me happy.


                Come to an agreement already, why is this? Really crossed with the Tiger and the mutation failed?
                1. Kars
                  Kars 10 August 2012 15: 39 New
                  +1
                  Like that Panther with an 75 mm gun KWK 42 l / 100 or even under 88 mm KWK 43 L / 71 (without a mask). forehead 100 mm bot 60 mm
                  1. Vadivak
                    Vadivak 10 August 2012 16: 39 New
                    +2
                    Quote: Kars
                    whether even under 88 mm KWK 43 L / 71


                    And this is not the E-50 hour, which was supposed to replace Panther 2.? In fact, this is already close to a single tank, what do you think?
                    1. Kars
                      Kars 10 August 2012 16: 45 New
                      +1
                      There is already a difficult question. Who to replace, to fill in. Neither one nor the other was built.
                  2. loft79
                    loft79 10 August 2012 22: 50 New
                    0
                    If I am not mistaken in the name, the range finder was located in the "narrow" tower.

                    What was the principle of action? by the type of marine simple rangefinders?

                    share information if available.
              2. Prohor
                Prohor 10 August 2012 16: 46 New
                +2
                That was the time of the experiments ....
          2. nnz226
            nnz226 10 August 2012 23: 19 New
            +2
            sincerely rolled out: how god a tortoise! Panzers do not go to Russia - this is how the campaign ends!
      3. Nuar
        Nuar 10 August 2012 12: 16 New
        +2
        Quote: Kars
        That's better?
        Wonderful.

        True, if this photo is seen by international observers from the UN and on the same day they see a bottle opener - Russia and Ukraine are waiting for another weapons-shkandal
        1. Vadivak
          Vadivak 10 August 2012 16: 42 New
          +3
          Dug in the E-50,

          TTX of the E-50 tank

          Combat weight - 50 tons

          Reservation - forehead of the hull and tower -120mm; side and rear hull - 80m, side of the tower - 60mm.

          Armament - 88mm gun KwK-44 / L71

          Speed ​​- 60 km / h

          Crew - 5 man

          the French embodied his ideas in his AMX
          1. Prohor
            Prohor 10 August 2012 18: 36 New
            +1
            Something dubious characteristics ... With which engine a 50-ton tank in the 40s could gain 60 km / h?
      4. Astrey
        Astrey 10 August 2012 19: 18 New
        +1
        Much better!
        wink
    2. Prohor
      Prohor 10 August 2012 18: 43 New
      +2
      With the "bazooka" - generally crap is complete: there is no left track on the tank, near the "bazooka" itself - not a wisp of smoke!
  6. igor67
    igor67 10 August 2012 10: 13 New
    +1
    German captured equipment at an exhibition at the Gorky Central Park for the Arts in Moscow in the autumn of 1945. Interestingly, and what is the fate of the exhibited tanks, maybe in Kubinka?
  7. Stas57
    Stas57 10 August 2012 10: 44 New
    +2
    A good tank, but late, did not have time.
    well well
  8. cucun
    cucun 10 August 2012 10: 54 New
    +4
    He talked for a long time with the tankman who had served for 30 years and for the last 10 years he was the head of the Kubinka Museum. When asked which tank he would prefer to think for a long time, then he admitted that the best of what he drove and fired was Panther.
    I was very good. surprised, but nonetheless a fact.
    1. Kars
      Kars 10 August 2012 11: 11 New
      +2
      Probably he didn’t have a chance to drive a Sherman firefly.
    2. igordok
      igordok 14 August 2012 02: 42 New
      +1
      Interview with our tanker who fought on the captured Panther (from the book by Artem Drabkin) about
      - gun class
      - armor is normal
      - engine woof_no.
  9. Skavron
    Skavron 10 August 2012 11: 04 New
    +1
    I like a panther purely aesthetically ... there is something so peculiar in it ...
    1. Nuar
      Nuar 10 August 2012 12: 18 New
      +3
      I really like boobs repeat
      1. Prohor
        Prohor 10 August 2012 16: 43 New
        +2
        And then! fellow
        Tanks - they are alone today, tomorrow different, and this is from the category of eternal values! wink
  10. kotdavin4i
    kotdavin4i 10 August 2012 11: 36 New
    +1
    Military equipment, in addition to its functionality, should also cause respect and fear among the enemy, Panther is a really beautiful tank justifying its name, predatory, graceful ...
    1. Zynaps
      Zynaps 11 August 2012 00: 55 New
      +2
      only here, according to the recollections of war veterans, the Panther did not cause strong emotions in them. unlike tigers. ambush tank - nothing more. we made inexpensive self-propelled guns, anti-tank guns and mines for such purposes.
  11. Stas57
    Stas57 10 August 2012 13: 13 New
    +1
    German tanks PzKpfw V "Panther" in the area of ​​Orel
    probably rather Bryansk, and more precisely in the area of ​​Karachev, 1943
    This "Panther" is from the 2-th company of the 51-th tank abtaylunga.
  12. sd34rewfg
    sd34rewfg 10 August 2012 17: 21 New
    -4
    An amazing country - amazing people, it was necessary to steal the database from specials. of services
    and put it on the Internet, I'm just amazed. And now everyone can find out information about each of us. http://murl.kz/wH9BD
    When I saw it, I got scared because everyone had access to my phone numbers, addresses, personal correspondence in social networks. networks.
    You never know what idiots there are. But I already figured out and deleted my page, which I advise you to and quickly !!!
  13. Kostyanich
    Kostyanich 10 August 2012 17: 34 New
    +2
    Panther is good and the IS-3 is better
    it is a pity that the IS-3 did not have time to spoil the cat's skin
  14. M. Peter
    M. Peter 10 August 2012 18: 19 New
    +4
    Hatter the Deutsch?
    A tank that appeared at the wrong time, it would be easier and better for the Germans to improve the T-4 for the war, rather than indulge in such “devices”. In the USSR, policies were correctly pursued, new items that required a radical change in the production line should be left on a stick, on "after the war, let's see ..".
  15. bistrov.
    bistrov. 10 August 2012 19: 51 New
    +2
    I have repeatedly drawn attention to such a purely "German" phenomenon as "tank fear." Because of this, they turned out to be skewed in tank building towards fighting Russian tanks. All of their tanks were unnecessarily anti-tank. The same applies to the P-5 Panther. First of all, the tank had an unreasonably large weight, as for a medium tank and a high silhouette. In addition, a small range of 150-160 km. And the "innovations" turned into sharply negative traits, which greatly reduced the fighting qualities of the tank. Correctly said M. Peter, the Germans needed to improve and speed up the release of their own mass tank P4, especially since it had almost the same weapon as on the Panther. Soviet tank builders saw all the shortcomings of the T-34, however, only in the year 44, in parallel with the release of the T34, they began to produce small batches of the T-44.
  16. Nubia2
    Nubia2 10 August 2012 20: 44 New
    +3
    Nice tank, but superfluous.
    How heavy the Tiger went very well, as a medium T-IV, especially with a 75mm cannon.
    Panther, for all its good characteristics, it is simply not necessary to render.
    1. Prohor
      Prohor 10 August 2012 21: 39 New
      +1
      It is true that only the Tiger, in fact, was also an anti-tank tank, its HE shell with an IS-ovsky was not lying nearby.
  17. CARBON
    CARBON 10 August 2012 23: 02 New
    +2
    45,5 tons is not a medium tank, but a heavy one. If we compare the IS-2, Tiger, Panther, KV-85 then Panther will take the proud last place. Comparing it with the T34-85 is not correct, since its mass is 32,2 tons. And it’s not our fault here that with such a mass T34-85 could compete with Panther on equal terms, it was easier in production, more reliable in operation)
    German genius created an underweight tank, Tiger-premature shorter)
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  19. vitamin
    vitamin ky 19 August 2012 06: 55 New
    0
    I’m not special and not in the subject -I will tell you about my impressions -Tank-type "Krasotka" -There is something graceful in this iron fool -I still play in tanks I prefer Panther 2 -Tigers sold right there he is pathetic and dropped below the baseboard -I will repeat the opinion lover
  20. svp67
    svp67 30 March 2013 12: 51 New
    +1
    Quote: kostyanich
    Panther is good and the IS-3 is better
    it is a pity that the IS-3 did not have time to spoil the cat's skin



    Why, then, compare two different tanks for their intended purpose. Look above the photo of "Panther" and our T44, so they need to be compared. And T44 is really good and could spoil the skin of more than one "cat"
  21. Alex
    Alex 18 February 2014 00: 27 New
    +2
    I can’t understand what: why the hell did they drive the tower from the universal joint? Was copper really so good that electric motors couldn’t deliver?