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They move as if in the deep rear: shots of the front positions of the Armenian troops from the drones of Azerbaijan

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They move as if in the deep rear: shots of the front positions of the Armenian troops from the drones of Azerbaijan

The Armenian Defense Ministry announced a statement that Azerbaijani troops launched an offensive in Nagorno-Karabakh. It is argued that Azerbaijan launched an offensive in several directions, including north and south.


According to the press secretary of the Armenian Defense Ministry Shushan Stepanyan, the Azerbaijani army has concentrated large resources in these areas and imposed fierce battles.

Shushan Stepanyan noted that the Armenian army is holding back the offensive of the enemy forces.

Meanwhile, the armed forces of Azerbaijan are publishing regular footage of strikes against Nagorno-Karabakh.

The footage shows how strikes are being delivered on Armenian positions, where there is a relatively large crowd of people. At the same time, one gets the impression that the Armenian side does not expect strikes at all - the movements are taking place as if it were not a front line, but a sufficiently deep rear. There are firing positions, but between them there are no protected ones, at least from a direct shot from a firearm weapons, corridors.

At the same time, apparently, by means of control and visually, the presence of the reconnaissance UAVs of the Azerbaijani armed forces "on their heads", which direct artillery and an unmanned strike Aviation in position. This leads to grave consequences for the Armenian side, as can be seen from the published footage.


At the same time, the Ministry of Defense of the unrecognized Nagorno-Karabakh Republic says that the enemy is suffering heavy losses. According to the military of NKR and Armenia, these losses of Azerbaijan already amount to about 3 thousand people killed and wounded.
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  1. aszzz888
    aszzz888 3 October 2020 08: 25
    24
    At the same time, one gets the impression that the Armenian side does not expect strikes at all - the movements are taking place as if it were not a front line, but rather deep rear.
    Most likely inexperience multiplied by arrogance.
    1. sergey32
      sergey32 3 October 2020 08: 30
      19
      Is a deep rear possible in Karabakh?
      1. aszzz888
        aszzz888 3 October 2020 08: 40
        +7

        sergey32 (Sergey)
        Today, 08: 30

        +1
        And in Karabakh, a deep rear is generally possible?

        Well, since there is an area, then there are rear areas. Which are not what, but are.
        Geography of the Nagorno-Karabakh Republic
        map: Geography of the Nagorno-Karabakh Republic
        Part of the light Asia
        Region Karabakh Highlands (part of the Armenian Highlands)
        Area
        11 500 km²
        water: 2%
        land: 98%
        Borders Azerbaijan, Armenia, Iran
        Highest point 3 724 m Gamysh
      2. Insurgent
        Insurgent 3 October 2020 10: 17
        +6
        Quote: sergey32
        Is a deep rear possible in Karabakh?

        Everything is relative. For us, at certain points in 2014-15, 20-30 km seemed to be a relatively "deep rear".
        And now, for example, that Donetsk, that Gorlovka, close to 5-7 km, and somewhere less urban couple comes into contact with the front line ...
    2. Fungus
      Fungus 3 October 2020 08: 33
      33
      Why don't the entire world Armenian diaspora throw in the air defense and electronic warfare systems? So they will be hammered from the UAV.
      1. aszzz888
        aszzz888 3 October 2020 08: 37
        18

        Fungus (Vitiek)
        Today, 08: 33

        0
        Why don't the entire world Armenian diaspora throw in the air defense and electronic warfare systems? So they will be hammered from the UAV.
        Hike, it's too late to drink Borjomi.
      2. smart fellow
        smart fellow 3 October 2020 09: 01
        30
        They expect Russia to drive for free. Together with operators.
        1. Beringovsky
          Beringovsky 3 October 2020 09: 20
          -36 qualifying.
          Quote: smart fellow
          They expect Russia to drive for free. Together with operators.

          Does Russia have any means of dealing with Turkish drones at all? It looks like they are not. Modern Russian industry cannot do such high-tech things, and the old Soviet complexes, 40 years ago, are not suitable for this.
          But in the victorious reports, more than 70% of the equipment in the troops has already been "updated". How is it updated, tinted or something?
          1. 1976AG
            1976AG 3 October 2020 09: 34
            +8
            There are very effective means of electronic warfare.
            1. Beringovsky
              Beringovsky 3 October 2020 11: 48
              -29 qualifying.
              Quote: 1976AG
              There are very effective means of electronic warfare.

              And where are they? Or are we not giving them to our ally in the CSTO, Armenia? Why?
              Apparently because they are not "very effective" to put it mildly? Could these EW assets actually be an overblown bluff?
              1. vargo
                vargo 3 October 2020 13: 34
                14
                We have money in the country, but the country for some reason does not give it to you, maybe because the money is not very effective? Is money a bloated bluff?
                Or maybe you simply didn’t deserve them?
                P.S. Your logic, though there is a place to be, is still based on "fingers in the sky"
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          2. Pereira
            Pereira 3 October 2020 09: 54
            +3
            Since they write "updated" instead of "replaced", therefore, yes, they tinted.
          3. Beringovsky
            Beringovsky 3 October 2020 13: 03
            -25 qualifying.
            And, well, the party of the Kremlin bots of Prigozhinians and cheers of patriots rolled up.
            1. Kasym
              Kasym 3 October 2020 21: 05
              +3
              Beringovsky (Alexey), here are just a few statements about the computer. Electronic warfare of the RF Armed Forces.
              Ch. teams. by spec. General Raymond Thomas: "They tested us every day, suppressing our communications ..."
              Former early. ex. Electronic warfare dry. US troops Laurie Bakhut: "We do not know how to fight in conditions of suppression of communications. We do not even have preparation for conducting combat. In the absence of communications ... In Syria, we had to face this."
              US Army Colonel Brian Sullivan complained about the comp. Electronic warfare of the RF Armed Forces.
              Coman. The US Air Force in Europe, General Frank Gorenk, said that the electronic warfare systems of the RF Armed Forces nullify all the advantages of high-tech weapons in service with the United States.
              Alexey, such statements from the West in bulk in YouTube. And I, in principle, know where the legs grow from in these matters. All communication is "held" by diff. lvl. Maxwell - here since the times of the Soviet Union we have the best specialists (mathematicians). hi
          4. The comment was deleted.
          5. alexmach
            alexmach 3 October 2020 14: 09
            +1
            And Russia in general has the means to combat Turkish drones

            Well, look at the same fighting in Idlib. A couple of days a shock, then we learned to fight in such conditions and counter the same Turkish UAVs.
          6. cormorant
            cormorant 3 October 2020 14: 42
            16
            If we did not have the means to combat drones, the Khmeimim airbase of the Russian Aerospace Forces would have been closed long ago, due to the destruction of all our warehouses with weapons and military equipment.
          7. yehat2
            yehat2 5 October 2020 13: 30
            0
            new missiles to torus and shell are dangerous enough for UAVs
      3. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 3 October 2020 09: 11
        +2
        Well throw off ... who will sell them? Diaspora is not a country ...
        1. Maki Avellevich
          Maki Avellevich 3 October 2020 09: 22
          12
          Quote: Zaurbek
          Well throw off ... who will sell them? Diaspora is not a country ...

          in 1948, Jews bought weapons like that through an embargo.
          if they strain everything is possible.
          1. Zaurbek
            Zaurbek 3 October 2020 09: 41
            +4
            In 48 ... there were more independent sellers ...
            Iran in 48 had no problems and would sell oil and buy weapons ...
      4. RUS96
        RUS96 3 October 2020 10: 31
        21
        Quote: Fungus
        Why don't the entire world Armenian diaspora throw in the air defense and electronic warfare systems? So they will be hammered from the UAV.

      5. Evil543
        Evil543 3 October 2020 10: 36
        +8
        It's easier to scream than to give your money
    3. Mini Mokik
      Mini Mokik 3 October 2020 08: 35
      20
      Replayed in computer toys with preservation.
      1. Ragnar Lodbrok
        Ragnar Lodbrok 3 October 2020 08: 38
        31
        Judging by the video, people still do not know and do not even suspect about the very existence of the UAV. Or is it such a mentality - carelessly and imposingly to be on the battlefield, and even more so in broad daylight, I don’t know what to say ...
        1. Maki Avellevich
          Maki Avellevich 3 October 2020 09: 23
          22
          Quote: Ragnar Lothbrok
          Judging by the video, people still do not know and do not even suspect about the very existence of the UAV.

          they have been bombed for 5 days and they still don't know.
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 3 October 2020 10: 19
            +4
            Because they are brakes.
        2. Olezhek
          Olezhek 3 October 2020 09: 33
          -1
          Judging by the video, people still do not know and do not even suspect about the very existence of the UAV. Or is it such a mentality - to be carefree and imposing on the battlefield, and even more so in broad daylight, I don’t know what to say


          You think out of zone would our, American, Turkish or Israeli soldiers behave differently?
          Seriously!?
          Well, if in educational films, then yes.
          1. Maki Avellevich
            Maki Avellevich 3 October 2020 12: 08
            13
            Quote: Olezhek
            Seriously!?

            Really.
            it is only the first days of hostilities. the soldier should not have time to relax yet, especially since the main threat comes from one direction, from the enemy aircraft.
            Armenians don't even stretch a pitiful net.
            do not take any measures even after it became clear that they cannot give an answer to the Armenian drones.

            walk like in a dash.
        3. NEXUS
          NEXUS 3 October 2020 12: 53
          13
          Quote: Ragnar lodbrok
          Judging by the video, people still do not know and do not even suspect about the very existence of the UAV. Or is it such a mentality - carelessly and imposingly to be on the battlefield, and even more so in broad daylight, I don’t know what to say ...

          I watched a video where the Armenians were just standing there, but they noticed the UAV, and the commander drove them all into the dugout ... it is clear what the Azeybardjanian did - he changed the cross for pointing to the dugout, and buried everyone there.
          I said yesterday that the feeling that the Armenians have no idea about the tactics, about the strategy of war.
          1. Nychego
            Nychego 3 October 2020 13: 19
            10
            Quote: NEXUS
            the commander drove them all into the dugout ... it is clear what the Azeybardjanian did - changed the cross for pointing to the dugout, and there he buried everyone in a crowd.

            Almost everyone here has seen this video. The detonation of ammunition was at the entrance to the shelter. Most likely, there were 200 and 300, but hardly the whole squad lay tight.

            It is time for the Armenians to understand that "there is no more than two gatherings, especially next to equipment" these are not safety rules, but conditions of survival.
            And do not be lazy, improve individual shelters for 2-3 fighters.
            In the meantime, the Armenians are cosplaying the Terrible summer of 1941 - we are fighting according to a sharply outdated charter and as if with the enemy from the film "If tomorrow is war ...". The result is known.
            1. NEXUS
              NEXUS 3 October 2020 13: 25
              +6
              Quote: Nychego
              It is time for the Armenians to understand that "there is no more than two gatherings, especially next to equipment" these are not safety rules, but conditions of survival.

              At least the commanders, because in that video, the commander made a fatal mistake, ordering everyone to run into the dugout, instead of telling his soldiers to disperse, or at least stupidly scatter into the loose.
            2. Florian geyer
              Florian geyer 3 October 2020 17: 03
              +6
              This is generally not for any statutes. Even in 1941 at the signal Air! The command followed - scatter

              On the other hand, it is not worth making global conclusions based on one video. If everything was bad everywhere, then the battles would not have been in the same place for a week
        4. Captain45
          Captain45 3 October 2020 21: 32
          +6
          Quote: Ragnar Lothbrok
          Judging by the video, people still do not know and do not even suspect about the very existence of the UAV. Or is it such a mentality - carelessly and imposingly to be on the battlefield, and even more so in broad daylight, I don’t know what to say ...

          The other day in the news on "Russia 24" they showed a couple of military registration and enlistment offices in Yerevan, there are a lot of people in the military registration and enlistment office, the motivation to fight at the level, showed at a time about 5-6 buses filled with conscripts going to the front. So, referring to your post, I would venture to suggest that on the video of the defeat of manpower, perhaps the very recruits who yesterday were just civilians, they have a great desire to fight, but the skills are still not enough and it will appear in those who survived after such shelling. This is an axiom of military operations in any "hot spot", ask even the "Afghans", even the "Chechens", even the "Donbassians".
      2. Vol4ara
        Vol4ara 3 October 2020 13: 56
        +2
        Quote: Mini Mokik
        Replayed in computer toys with preservation.

        Now playing the grave war
    4. Mountain shooter
      Mountain shooter 3 October 2020 09: 03
      20
      Quote: aszzz888
      Most likely inexperience multiplied by arrogance

      But at least they would be dispersed ... just take evil. There are no observers of the air, from the word at all ... At least a pair of binoculars would be singled out, to observe the air. If there are no radars. The rule is to introduce - no gatherings, formations, open trenches (the tarpaulin was pulled over their heads, if there are no camouflage nets ...). If the Azerbaijanis use high-precision ammunition against single soldiers, they will quickly deplete the resource.
      1. aszzz888
        aszzz888 3 October 2020 09: 21
        +5

        Mountain shooter (Eugene)
        Today, 09: 03

        +1
        Quote: aszzz888
        Most likely inexperience multiplied by arrogance

        But at least they would be dispersed ... just take evil. There are no observers of the air, from the word at all ... At least a pair of binoculars would be singled out, to observe the air. If there are no radars. ...
        That's why they die.
      2. Vitaly gusin
        Vitaly gusin 3 October 2020 11: 04
        +8
        Quote: Mountain Shooter
        At least a pair of binoculars would be singled out, to observe the air. If there are no radars.

        You are right about binoculars, but this is the 19th century and we are already 20% at 21.
        A few hours ago it became known that one of the most advanced Russian electronic warfare systems "Repellent", which was protecting the positions of the Armenian military, was destroyed by an Azeri attack drone. The electronic warfare complex, according to the data of the Russian manufacturer STC-REB JSC, was supposed to suppress small unmanned aerial vehicles, which was the Azerbaijani kamikaze drone.
        It is known that the electronic suppression system covered one of the command posts on the territory of Armenia, however. under unknown circumstances,!? not only was the Azerbaijani drone not found, but it was also not possible to drown it, which clearly lowers the authority of the Repellent electronic warfare system. According to some reports, the drone could additionally hide behind Azerbaijan's electronic warfare means, and it is for this reason that the Repellant could not complete the task assigned to it.
        I will not write about Borjomi.
        1. ism_ek
          ism_ek 3 October 2020 12: 47
          +3
          A kamikaze drone finished off the Repellent. The video shows that the complex is inoperative.
        2. Nychego
          Nychego 3 October 2020 14: 58
          +4
          Quote: Vitaly Gusin
          According to some reports, the drone could additionally hide behind Azerbaijan's electronic warfare means, and for this very reason, the Repellant could not fulfill the task assigned to it.

          And what, were they going to fight in the proving grounds?
          I hope (although I do not really believe) that the course of the DB in this conflict will at least a little clear the brains of that part of the RF Armed Forces command that has them. Enough of the show. For show you have to pay in blood and defeat.
        3. sentaniel
          sentaniel 4 October 2020 20: 21
          0
          Ours are in shock ... Have not encountered the new Israeli electronic warfare for such a campaign.
      3. Alex Justice
        Alex Justice 3 October 2020 11: 34
        +7
        But at least they would be dispersed ... just take evil. There are no observers of the air, from the word at all ...

        In a German memoir, an entire company in formation was destroyed by one random round. The next day there was an order on the front not to crowd.
    5. Maz
      Maz 3 October 2020 09: 44
      +3
      If the Armenians do not find in the near future a way to counter Israeli and Turkish reconnaissance, strike and kamikaze drones and planning bombs, then the war will turn into a shooting, as in a shooting range, of equipment and personnel of the Armed Forces of Armenia and NKR. What's already happening. The resources of Azerbaijan, Israel and Turkey for high-precision ammunition will be enough to grind the outdated means of warfare of the Armenian Armed Forces. By the way, we, the Russian Armed Forces, should learn how to thresh from above with precision weapons the Umbo-Jumbo tribes armed with 20th century equipment. At the same time, it is faster to figure out how to counteract this misfortune in local conflicts. Now you can't shower Turks and Ayzers with hats. The recent statement of this Turk, given below, is not devoid of some common sense ...............

      At a press conference on the topic "Armenia's hopelessness in the resource war with Azerbaijan," Vusal Gasimli, executive director of the Center for Analysis of Economic Reforms and Communications (CAERC), stated that Armenia would not withstand the resource war with Azerbaijan.

      They say that the state budget of Armenia is not enough to finance such a resource-intensive war: “Defeat in a resource-intensive war of the country with a state debt within 60% of GDP and a budget deficit within 5% of GDP is inevitable in a short time. Azerbaijan surpasses Armenia more than 20 times in foreign exchange reserves, and in terms of the state budget - 5 times. "

      The fact that Mr. Gasimli is a man who is far from the army and, to put it mildly, stupid is not problematic. It will be problematic if the Azerbaijani General Staff adheres to a similar approach, which promises very great disappointment.
      1. miru mir
        miru mir 3 October 2020 11: 14
        +3
        Quote: Maz
        By the way, to us, the Russian Armed Forces

        laughing laughing laughing
        1. igor67
          igor67 3 October 2020 12: 23
          +4
          Quote: miru mir
          Quote: Maz
          By the way, to us, the Russian Armed Forces

          laughing laughing laughing

          Posted by a person from Israel
          1. miru mir
            miru mir 3 October 2020 12: 32
            +1
            and originally from Ukraine lol
      2. Vitaly gusin
        Vitaly gusin 3 October 2020 11: 25
        +3
        Quote: Maz
        Resources аzeybarjan иIsrael and тTurkey on precision ammunition will be enough to grind outdated weapons of war of the Armenian Armed Forces

        I know there are no capital letters in Hebrew, but you are Russian and write in Russian.
        I won't write about panties and a cross, but still decide, and not only with the country of residence
        [/ I]
        Quote: Maz
        By the way, we, the Russian Armed Forces, should learn,

        Learning is never too late and even desirable, but first you must understand who you are and where you belong.
        This is what you wrote yesterday that YOU had three rubles each, but today your price has suddenly risen sharply laughing
        Sho, the Israelis sent a new batch of drones to the Sultan, and without them, the Ayzers will not be able to attack! The fifth plane flew from the Air Force base in the Israeli Eilat to Baku? 230 tons of high-precision flying and peaceful Jewish matzah brought? Did the sixth fly for a new batch?
        So what about "high-precision flying matzah?"
        1. Maz
          Maz 3 October 2020 12: 44
          +2
          Gusin - learn the Great and Mighty Russian language. Let me explain, proper names in Russian, in contrast to the cut off and limited Hebrew - yes, they are written with a capital letter. But, if the one who writes the text wants to emphasize to the reader his lack of respect, disgust or contempt for the designated proper name, or geographical name, etc., and not waste extra words on this, then he simply writes them not with the Capital, but with a small letter. This is called a literary device. To put these names in quotation marks, defining their unworthy place in the text, is too much honor. If it didn't reach you, it was done on purpose. The Russian Armed Forces is spelled correctly, and with respect to the family alma mater.
          1. Vitaly gusin
            Vitaly gusin 3 October 2020 13: 21
            +1
            Quote: Maz
            But, if the one who writes the text wants to emphasize his lack of respect in front of the reader,

            These are your personal wishes and have nothing to do with the Great Russian language.
            Even with all my personal attitude towards you, the Great Russian language does not allow me to write your name and surname in capital letters.
            Everything is described here.
            RULES OF RUSSIAN SPELLING AND PUNCTUATION (1956)
            Do not be confused by the year of publication, until there are those who want to change it besides you.
          2. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar 3 October 2020 13: 53
            +1
            And how did the carriers of such circumcised and limited Hebrew manage to build a state that provokes your disgust and contempt, in which a graduate of a nursing mother of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation (alma mater is literally translated) is forced to plow in low-skilled work for more money than he is able to earn in his homeland laughing By supporting the economy of the disrespectful Zionist education with your minimal taxes and consumption, by giving your own child to the service of the Israeli military clique that is disgusting to you, you not only help your numerous relatives in Russia and Ukraine, which has stood in the wake of Russophobia (a percentage of the purchases of the citizens of this country, I remind you, goes to finance anti-Russian ATO), but you also pay for the development and construction of drones used against Christians in the NKR!
          3. Victorio
            Victorio 3 October 2020 14: 11
            +2
            Quote: Maz
            а lower case... This is called a literary device.

            ===
            ) I write so simply because I'm used to it.
      3. SSR
        SSR 3 October 2020 11: 56
        +6
        Quote: Maz
        If the Armenians do not find a way to counter the Israeli

        The Iranian Express is coming soon, Imha.

        My attitude to the opposing sides is "neutral" and negative to their politicians.
        1. Grits
          Grits 3 October 2020 16: 13
          +1
          Quote: SSR
          Iranian Express Coming Soon

          Does Iran have cool air defense or electronic warfare that can fight Israeli and Turkish UAVs?
          1. SSR
            SSR 3 October 2020 21: 33
            +2
            Quote: Gritsa
            Quote: SSR
            Iranian Express Coming Soon

            Does Iran have cool air defense or electronic warfare that can fight Israeli and Turkish UAVs?

            That is, the American "patriots" who have failed the strikes of Iranian weapons are bullshit, but Turkish and Israeli ones - is this an axiom?
            Comrade, don't be so categorical in your statements.
            1. Grits
              Grits 4 October 2020 02: 53
              0
              Quote: SSR
              That is, the American "patriots" who have failed the strikes of Iranian weapons are bullshit, but Turkish and Israeli ones - is this an axiom?
              Comrade, do not be so categorical in your statements

              Nevertheless, there is no answer - does Iran have worthy air defense or electronic warfare systems that can withstand UAVs?
    6. Evil543
      Evil543 3 October 2020 10: 33
      +6
      It's like safety regulations. Writing in someone's blood.
  2. Cowbra
    Cowbra 3 October 2020 08: 26
    +7
    Well, one thing is for sure a fact - Azerbaijan has a qualitative and quantitative superiority, and there is zero sense. They cannot boast of any significant achievements. It seems that the warriors of them are really still the same
    1. _Ugene_
      _Ugene_ 3 October 2020 09: 16
      +3
      do not rush, it is not evening yet
      1. 1976AG
        1976AG 3 October 2020 09: 35
        +1
        Quote: _Ugene_
        do not rush, it is not evening yet

        So they have been fighting for a week ...
      2. Interlocutor
        Interlocutor 3 October 2020 10: 40
        +6
        do not rush, it is not evening yet

        Nobody is in a hurry.
        The entire aggressive world is now studying the order and reality of the conduct of hostilities. (the benefit of the material is complete).
        When the parties have approximately equal forces, but different equipment of weapons.
        Surely after the zavorushka there will be a surge in purchases of kamikaze and electronic warfare systems with mobile anti-aircraft complexes, as well as the development of air defense systems in km 5+ and 8+. Thought. that both Pantsiri and an equal line will be sold like pies.
        Armenians want to say. There are such words and phrases - to disperse, an observer from the unit, disguise, imitation, show-off to the side, the headquarters tent should be faded like everyone else, The flags must be removed from the headquarters tent ...
    2. Olezhek
      Olezhek 3 October 2020 09: 34
      +5
      Well, one thing is for sure a fact - Azerbaijan has a qualitative and quantitative superiority, and there is zero sense


      You know, I would not be so categorical.
      Apparently, the Armenians really get it.
      Losses. Technicians and people.
      1. Cowbra
        Cowbra 3 October 2020 09: 45
        +5
        There are losses for sure, but with technology - not a fact. Judging by the Azerbaijani data, they thrashed all the armored vehicles with artillery from the Armenians into the trash - already three times from drones, but they themselves cannot advance anywhere. running into armored vehicles and art ... The question is - what did they grind then? It looks like layouts. How much does a layout cost and how much SD? If everything is so, then Baku will fight for another month - and without pants and money will voluntarily go into slavery, and it is not a fact that to the Turks, and not to the ISIS militants.
        1. Olezhek
          Olezhek 3 October 2020 09: 52
          -2
          How much does a layout cost and how much SD? If everything is so, then Baku will fight like this for a month

          They will fight for a month.
          They are unlikely to be enough for more
          If there are no major successes
          They hardly have many motivated soldiers and smart officers.
          I think next week will be decisive
          Either the Armenians, in general, will hold the defense, or they will be pushed through - then the crap
        2. Olezhek
          Olezhek 3 October 2020 10: 32
          0
          There are losses for sure, but with technology - not a fact


          Well, how to say: people are much easier to hide (they themselves scatter and hide)
          And the technique is more difficult to hide ...
          For modern weapons, a tank, a howitzer or an MLRS is just candy
          And all this does not require any super efforts.
        3. Vol4ara
          Vol4ara 3 October 2020 14: 06
          +3
          Quote: Cowbra
          There are losses for sure, but with technology - not a fact. Judging by the Azerbaijani data, they thrashed all the armored vehicles with artillery from the Armenians into the trash - already three times from drones, but they themselves cannot advance anywhere. running into armored vehicles and art ... The question is - what did they grind then? It looks like layouts. How much does a layout cost and how much SD? If everything is so, then Baku will fight for another month - and without pants and money will voluntarily go into slavery, and it is not a fact that to the Turks, and not to the ISIS militants.

          No, not all, but a lot. How the mock-up scatters after the explosion, and the real equipment is perfectly visible in the video, and in most cases there is real equipment. And the Azerbaijanis (VO set the words a.z.e. to autocorrect, but they couldn't even do that without mistakes, lol) and will hammer them from above until they destroy everything they can reach, and then under cover from above and under infantry will be allowed to cover the armored vehicles. They do everything right, save the lives of the infantry
          1. Florian geyer
            Florian geyer 3 October 2020 17: 17
            -1
            Eeee ... Protecting the lives of the infantry? Who!
            1. Vol4ara
              Vol4ara 3 October 2020 18: 09
              +2
              Quote: Florian Geyer
              Eeee ... Protecting the lives of the infantry? Who!

              Romanians
          2. Cowbra
            Cowbra 3 October 2020 21: 49
            0
            Yes, I’m telling you for this - a complete misunderstanding. Well, for the fairy tales that in the Donbass - there are only professionals - there are those who at work here will believe, those who are at work - but who did not learn - they quickly died out there, but the hell there was a pro at first especially. and then I look - and fucking, that at some, that at others. Vidos from the Armenians, as if pressed, they left in some kind of highway. on the right is govka, on the left there is a glowing dump - as if on purpose - on the top, so that against the background of the sky you can see an already considerable target ... On the track. And it doesn't look like a production there
        4. Captain45
          Captain45 3 October 2020 21: 41
          0
          Quote: Cowbra
          There is a loss for sure, but with technology - not a fact. Judging by the Azerbaijani data, they thrashed all the armored vehicles with artillery from the Armenians into the trash - already three times from drones, but they themselves cannot advance anywhere. running into armored vehicles and art ... The question is - what did they grind then? It looks like layouts. How much does a layout cost and how much SD? If everything is so, then Baku will fight for another month - and without pants and money will voluntarily go into slavery, and it is not a fact that to the Turks, and not to the ISIS militants.


          Captain45 (Yuri)
          3
          Yesterday, 17: 15

          +3
          Quote: uhu189
          Armenia has less equipment, and it is still regularly knocked out by drones. They do not attack, they only defend themselves and still suffer heavy losses in technology.

          You know, regarding the defeat of Armenian equipment, I now came across interesting information on one of the websites covering the conflict: it turns out that back in 2013, Armenia signed a contract with a Polish company specializing in the production of inflatable models of military equipment. Under the contract, a factory was built in Armenia and the production of such models began, so the author of the article expressed a restrained opinion about the large amount of destroyed equipment that maybe "everything is not so simple." And about the defense - the Red Army, too, first defended itself on the Kursk Bulge, then went on the offensive, and in the Armenian army there are enough officers who served in the SA and studied the tactics and strategy of the Second World War, and then I think the laurels of Marshal Baghramyan haunt some Khachikyan and he was tempted to arrange the Kursk Bulge. It is not the first year that Karabakh has been on the defensive, fortifications have been built, the advance lines have been shot at, the column has been stripped down as dashingly, and mostly with barrel artillery. So we'll see who has more reserves. Blitzkrieg did not come out, but in a trench war ...
    3. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 3 October 2020 11: 43
      +4
      ". They cannot boast of any significant achievements." ///
      ----
      If you do not call the complete destruction of the enemy's armored forces an achievement,
      then there are no achievements. smile
      Not to mention such little things
      as the destruction of close air defense, and a significant part of artillery and MLRS.
      1. Cowbra
        Cowbra 3 October 2020 12: 20
        0
        And on the spot they stood up because they destroyed everything? Ah, well, well. Can you think of something less clumsy?
        1. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 3 October 2020 12: 54
          +3
          So it initially looked more like a massive reconnaissance in force than an offensive. They are fighting in the West - a restless front line, they identify and destroy the equipment and reserves of the enemy. Where they can, cheto occupy, where there is strong resistance, they retreat. The next stage will be an offensive in one or two directions with a massive use of aviation and drones, as well as a parallel strike on the NKR infrastructure. With effective resistance, they will again slow down and again begin to grope for optimal places for a strike, bombing and firing at everything that is capable of shooting and moving.
      2. Florian geyer
        Florian geyer 3 October 2020 17: 19
        -1
        Yah? Was it all destroyed? Are these 3 tanks shot from different angles and there are all-all armored troops?
        What are already coming to Yerevan?
      3. Nazar
        Nazar 4 October 2020 07: 49
        +2
        voyaka uh - Colleague, does it not occur to you that very, very soon the VO will discuss not the Armenian-Azerbaijani conflict, but the conflict between your country and Turkey? And not necessarily a direct military conflict. Erdik has not learned to badly create trouble for his neighbors with the help of various "barmalleys". The US military recently voiced information about the transfer of "Barsaleis" to Azerbaijan from Syria. Do you seriously think that if his (his) venture with Karabakh succeeds, Erdik will not use such methods against your country? And because of what - while he butts on the gas in Wed. sea ​​with Greece, but if it is not stopped (whether in Libya, in Karabakh or in Syria it does not matter) it will certainly lay claim to those gas reserves that your country considers its own.
        1. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 4 October 2020 11: 20
          +2
          Of course, such a thought comes to mind.
          The question is correct. I gave you a plus.
          A potential adversary must be assessed objectively, without emotion.
          It must be clearly borne in mind: Turkey has a modern army equipped with the most
          modern technology, strong industry and scientific potential.
          And from this position to think: how to conduct military operations (if necessary) against
          such an army.
          1. Nazar
            Nazar 5 October 2020 06: 38
            +2
            It is difficult to say this is propaganda or Erdik actually spoke this way, but here on VO there is an article about the fact that he is already making claims to Jerusalem (?). Is it his autumn aggravation, or are they trying to make him look like a bigger idiot than he really is? The army of the Turks is decent, and more or less trained on the Kurds, but right there I wrote above - Erdik learned to dirty his neighbors not directly with his army - In Syria, the SSA and some "Turkomans", in Libya, barmaley "from Syria" , in Karabakh, the Azerbaijanis and the same "barmaley" - and the Turks, Turks are instructors and suppliers of weapons. The Turk works competently, in Azerbaijan the chief of the General Staff whined something against his Turkish specialists - flew from his post on the move - gradually it becomes clear whose war is, something will go wrong, according to Erdik - Aliyev will be changed at the same speed as his head of the General Staff.
            A strange situation has developed - both Russia and Israel are supplying serious weapons as if they were more or less adequate to Aliyev, but these weapons are being used in the interests of an inadequate Erdogan. It’s unreasonable, okay, ours, there is no one to think about half a step forward, and yours, they don’t understand who they are “for joy” feeding :?
            1. voyaka uh
              voyaka uh 5 October 2020 10: 58
              +4
              There is always danger in the international arms trade
              that this weapon will be turned against you in the future.
              Either it will be resold, or the regime or course will change in the buying country.
              This has happened many times.
              If you are afraid, do not export weapons.
              Specifically: Azerbaijan is a Muslim country friendly to Israel.
              This connection is important to us.
              Israel 20 years ago was friends with Turkey. Turkey has changed course - what can you do? Break off relations with Azerbaijan too? This is not true.
              Iran was once Israel's best friend in the Middle East.
              If the Ayatollahs leave (hopefully), we will be friends again.
              1. Nazar
                Nazar 6 October 2020 05: 19
                +2
                It is logical, especially since Erdik, to put it mildly, is not young and it is not at all a fact that the next Turk will be the same frostbitten
    4. Pilat2009
      Pilat2009 4 October 2020 12: 01
      +1
      Quote: Cowbra
      Azerbaijan has a qualitative and quantitative superiority, and zero sense

      Well, if one drone kills 7 people, as in the video, then you can count when Armenia will run out of human resources
  3. Doccor18
    Doccor18 3 October 2020 08: 27
    +1
    Like a video game. And this is war ...
    ... these losses of Azerbaijan already amount to about 3 thousand people killed and wounded ...

    It's hard to believe somehow. Azerbaijan regularly uploads videos with the destruction of enemy equipment and personnel. And Armenia ..?
    1. nnm
      nnm 3 October 2020 08: 33
      10
      Yes, there are a lot of the same videos from Armenia. But it is necessary to judge by specific results. In fact, these results are zero. The defense has not been broken through, the dominant heights are not occupied, on the contrary, the Armenian army has been mobilized. And the simplest result is sliding into positioning.
      1. Oquzyurd
        Oquzyurd 3 October 2020 08: 53
        +2
        The defense has been broken through, many commanding heights are occupied. Today and tomorrow you will be convinced on the news. Another 3-4 days, everything, the whole defense will collapse completely, if it has not collapsed by this hour.
        I don’t understand one thing, what has Azerbaijan done badly to you over the course of history and today, why do you so ardently take a pro-Armenian position? This is not only a question for you, but for many commentators. And this is happening at a time when hostilities are taking place on the territory of Azerbaijan, not Armenia. Why are you so impatient with us? What has Azerbaijan done wrong over the centuries of living together, what ??? Do you have a sense of justice, objectivity completely lost ???
        1. atalef
          atalef 3 October 2020 08: 57
          -1
          Quote: Oquzyurd
          I don’t understand one thing, what has Azerbaijan done badly to you over the course of history and today, why do you so ardently take a pro-Armenian position? This is not just a question for you, but for many commentators.

          do not strain - many have such an attitude towards everyone in general, no difference.
          It's just that today the Azerbaijanis fell under the distribution, because they don't bother about the reasons for the war.
          1. Alexander Galaktionov
            Alexander Galaktionov 3 October 2020 09: 23
            +7
            Israel also has nothing personal, only business It is strange that Armenians still do not go to the Israeli embassies
            1. atalef
              atalef 3 October 2020 09: 31
              -2
              Quote: Alexander Galaktionov
              Israel also has nothing personal, only business

              Why? Different things happen - somewhere personal. somewhere business --- everything is like yours.
              Quote: Alexander Galaktionov
              It’s strange that Armenians don’t go to the Israeli ambassadors.

              Is it because the Russians have them - or does Russia not sell weapons to Azerbaijan?
              1. Alexander Galaktionov
                Alexander Galaktionov 3 October 2020 09: 33
                +4
                Then if the Syrians have Iskanders, don't yell
                1. atalef
                  atalef 3 October 2020 10: 04
                  -2
                  Quote: Alexander Galaktionov
                  Then if the Syrians have Iskanders, don't yell

                  yes to health.
                  they already have a s-300. Well ?
                  1. Alexander Galaktionov
                    Alexander Galaktionov 3 October 2020 10: 06
                    +2
                    Time to eat will learn
                    1. Krasnodar
                      Krasnodar 3 October 2020 12: 22
                      0
                      Quote: Alexander Galaktionov
                      Time to eat will learn

                      2020 - 1948 = 72
                      Well, another 28 years and learn. Maximum - another 128 years. Universe scale - seconds fellow
                  2. Evil543
                    Evil543 3 October 2020 10: 41
                    +5
                    Erdogan wants to dominate the region, what will happen when he gets the nerve and wants to move Israel?
                    1. Krasnodar
                      Krasnodar 3 October 2020 12: 23
                      +3
                      Quote: Evil543
                      Erdogan wants to dominate the region, what will happen when he gets the nerve and wants to move Israel?

                      Welcome hi
                      Tries where he can. For 10 years already.
                      1. Evil543
                        Evil543 3 October 2020 13: 11
                        +3
                        Hello Krasnodar!
                        So if in Azerbaijan he succeeds in moving to the promised one?
                      2. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 3 October 2020 13: 16
                        0
                        Than? He has a good fleet, but the air superiority is behind Israel. The Jews have enough drones of their own, as well as the practice of using them. And even if, in some way, he introduces ground forces to the Jewish borders with Lebanon or Syria, the Israelis will grind everything that he is able to send, and very quickly.
                      3. Boris ⁣ Shaver
                        Boris ⁣ Shaver 5 October 2020 01: 09
                        0
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        What?

                        Even Palestine comes to you quite well with handicraft "rockets". It will be much more fun with the Turks.
                      4. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 5 October 2020 01: 52
                        -1
                        lol The Turks will not have concomitant losses of the civilian and screams about a humanitarian catastrophe, the only thing in the world will be screaming that a highly developed state is beating a withering state and how not beautiful it is on the part of the Jews. fellow
                      5. Boris ⁣ Shaver
                        Boris ⁣ Shaver 5 October 2020 02: 21
                        0
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        The Turks will not have collateral losses of the civilian and cries of a humanitarian disaster

                        The Palestinians talk about very serious things - Israel is organizing genocide on their land. And sane people around the world will never put up with this.
                        And as for the fictional violence against the "peace man" - that is how the Turks are masters there. Have you read the news on Syria at all? Inquire about what the series of "truces" in Idlib is based on.
                      6. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 5 October 2020 02: 31
                        -1
                        Sane people can count lol And they know very well that after the Israeli occupation of 1967, the population of Gaza, Judea and Samaria not only increased in number, but also increased life expectancy (74,5 years, above Russia), decreased infant mortality, etc. I did not read the news from Syria - Idlib was interesting to me only in the context of the Syrian attack on the barmaley, covered by drones, the Air Force and the Turks' art, as well as the degree of involvement of the Russian Armed Forces in the process).
                      7. Boris ⁣ Shaver
                        Boris ⁣ Shaver 5 October 2020 02: 40
                        +2
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        after the Israeli occupation of 1967, the population of Gaza, Judea and Samaria not only increased in number, but also increased life expectancy (74,5 years, above Russia), decreased infant mortality, etc.

                        Similarly:
                        After the Holocaust staged by the Nazis, the population of Israel has grown n-thirfold, the life expectancy of Israelis has increased, and the infant mortality rate has decreased!

                        Are you now looking at the Holocaust with different eyes?
                        Then sensible people are also against the genocide of the Palestinian people.
                        Or not?
                      8. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 5 October 2020 10: 56
                        -1
                        Did the Nazis make the Holocaust in Israel? Was Israel under Nazi occupation?
                        How many years was Israel under Nazi occupation?
                        After the German occupation of Israel, the Nazis first have purchased the entire harvest of the kibbutzim so that the Jews do not starve to death?
                        Did the Nazis build better quality hospitals in Israel than Jewish ones?
                        Now in history:
                        How many gas chambers has Israel built?
                        How many concentration camps has Israel built?
                        Did people die of hunger in Israel's dungeons?
                        Did the Palestinians wear decals?
                        Did Palestinians Work for Israeli Industry is free?
                        These are all very simple questions. laughing
    2. SSR
      SSR 3 October 2020 14: 01
      +2
      Quote: atalef
      Quote: Alexander Galaktionov
      Then if the Syrians have Iskanders, don't yell

      yes to health.
      they already have a s-300. Well ?

      Objectivity for the sake of.
      C300 is there, but do not forget that it is under the leadership of the Russian Federation and has not been transferred to the full control of the Syrians.
      1. Revival
        Revival 3 October 2020 14: 20
        0
        And then what is the use of the transfer, what is the use of the Iskander?
      2. Vitaly gusin
        Vitaly gusin 3 October 2020 15: 24
        +2
        Quote: SSR
        C300 is there, but do not forget that it is under the leadership of the Russian Federation and has not been transferred to the full control of the Syrians.

        Here are two statements and which one is real, decide for yourself
        “The S-300 is capable of intercepting air attack weapons at ranges of more than 250 km and simultaneously hit several air targets,” said Shoigu. The complex has high noise immunity and rate of fire, the minister said.
        The supplies to the Syrian troops of the automated control system will ensure the centralized control of the Syrian air defense, monitoring the air situation and the prompt issuance of target designations, Shoigu said in a statement. But the main thing, as the minister noted, thanks to the S-300 and the automated control system, the identification of all aircraft by the Syrian air defense means will be guaranteed.
        Shoigu also promised that from now on, in the areas adjacent to Syria over the Mediterranean Sea, radio-electronic suppression of satellite navigation, airborne radars and communications systems for military aircraft attacking objects on Syrian territory will be carried out. The Minister expressed his conviction that these measures will cool the "hot heads"

        And this was the answer
        “If these weapons are used against us, we will act against them. One thing should be clear: if anyone fires at our planes, we will destroy him. "

        The Minister expressed his conviction that these measures will cool the "hot heads"
        AS YOU CAN SEE HE HAS BEEN RIGHT, THERE WAS NOT A SINGLE SHOT
        1. SSR
          SSR 5 October 2020 08: 20
          -2
          This is how many are turning it upside down, like they put the S-300 in Syria and it went to "extinguish" everyone. Let me remind you that the S-300 was delivered there after the Israelis, endangering civil aircraft as well, put our Il. Now we read an excerpt from what you posted.
          But the main thing, as the minister noted, thanks to the S-300 and the automated control system, the identification of all aircraft by the Syrian air defense means will be guaranteed.
          Shoigu also promised that from now on in the areas adjacent to Syria over the Mediterranean Sea

          No words Shoigu about the guaranteed destruction of aircraft ......... "enemy" or do you want to say that the Russian Federation is at war with Israel?
          Yes, we are helping the Syrians to cope with the chaos, but we are not at war there with other countries, only with terrorists.

          Next, you give the standard bench press of the minister.
          And this was the answer
          “If these weapons are used against us, we will act against them. One thing should be clear: if anyone fires at our planes, we will destroy him. "

          Only now the Syrians, as they tried to shoot down Israeli planes with ancient air defense systems, are trying to help the ACS in the Mediterranean Sea, to correctly identify the targets and the S-300 can only be used with our permission and in case of a real threat to civilian and our aircraft.
          Many are waving their checkers like sharovarniki from 404, there is an aggressor country and there is no declaration of war on the aggressor.
        2. Vitaly gusin
          Vitaly gusin 5 October 2020 13: 45
          +2
          Quote: SSR
          Let me remind you that the S-300 was delivered there after the Israelis, endangering civil aircraft as well, put our Il.

          1 This information was for internal use
          2 And compensation for this misinformation was carried out here this event


          It was a very complex and top secret operation of the Russian special forces.
          Quote: SSR
          There are no words Shoigu about the guaranteed destruction of aircraft ......... "enemy"

          Yes, there are NO such words, because I did not write this because they were not there
          But you did not give the full quote and PERSONALLY for you, I will quote it again

          Shoigu also promised that henceforth, in the areas adjacent to Syria over the Mediterranean Sea, electronic suppression of satellite navigation, airborne radar and communication systems of military aircraft attacking objects on Syrian territory will be carried out. The Minister expressed his conviction that these measures will cool the "hot heads"
          How do you know this there was no and will not be
          Or do you want to say that the Russian Federation is at war with Israel?
          Quote: SSR
          Only now the Syrians, as they tried to shoot down Israeli planes with ancient air defense systems, are trying to help the ACS in the Mediterranean Sea, to correctly identify the targets and the S-300 can only be used with our permission and in case of a real threat to civilian and our aircraft.

          But this on the VO website looks like propaganda, and with this, contact Sheinin Kiselev and Solovyov, and there it goes with a bang!
    3. Boris ⁣ Shaver
      Boris ⁣ Shaver 5 October 2020 01: 10
      0
      Quote: SSR
      Objectivity for the sake of

      This word is not familiar
  4. Revival
    Revival 3 October 2020 14: 19
    +1
    And when they do, they will start making excuses, but they say it's not time to use them yet, but who will allow them, etc.
  • Vitaly gusin
    Vitaly gusin 3 October 2020 12: 57
    -4
    Quote: Alexander Galaktionov
    Then if the Syrians have Iskanders, don't yell

    The Syrians have always had a lot, but NEVER it didn't help them.
    And this is to increase your knowledge base.
    Rocket Stunner designed to intercept the latest generation of tactical ballistic missiles at low altitudes, such as the Russian Iskander
  • Pereira
    Pereira 3 October 2020 09: 57
    +1
    It’s strange that Armenians don’t go to the Israeli ambassadors.

    Soros doesn't allow it.
    1. atalef
      atalef 3 October 2020 10: 00
      0
      Quote: Pereira
      It’s strange that Armenians don’t go to the Israeli ambassadors.

      Soros doesn't allow it.

      the donkey of Armenia in Israel was summoned to Yerevan for consultations. The press secretary of the Armenian Foreign Ministry Anna Naghdalyan said this during the briefing, Novosti-Armenia agency reported.

      According to her, this is how Yerevan reacts to information about the flight of several cargo planes from Azerbaijan to Israel to transport "ultra-modern weapons". The representative of the Armenian Foreign Ministry called this situation unacceptable.

      Read more at RBC:
      https://www.rbc.ru/politics/01/10/2020/5f7612e49a7947aa76841b2f

      I wonder when Armenia will recall the ambassador from Russia?
      Completed contracts for the supply of weapons from Russia to Azerbaijan are estimated at $ 5 billion, and this figure will continue to grow, Azerbaijani President Ilham Aliyev said after meeting with Russian leader Vladimir Putin.
  • miru mir
    miru mir 3 October 2020 11: 18
    0
    with the same success, they can go to the Russian embassies - more than a quarter of the weapons of Azerbaijani-Russian production
  • Feliks m
    Feliks m 3 October 2020 09: 39
    0
    Great comment, I agree. Especially about the reasons for the war.
  • Yalquzaq
    Yalquzaq 3 October 2020 09: 58
    -9
    when it's over, isn't it time to take on "our mutual friends of farces" wink
    the day will come when Azerbaijanis will send farces in Iran by forest am
  • nnm
    nnm 3 October 2020 09: 00
    12
    Quote: Oquzyurd
    Another 3-4 days, everything, the whole defense will fall apart completely, if it has not collapsed by this hour.

    Come on?! The medals for the capture of Stepanakert and Yerevan have not been stamped yet?
    1. Oquzyurd
      Oquzyurd 3 October 2020 09: 17
      -3
      The medals were stamped for those who were kind of kidding, but in the end they were left with an open mouth in surprise. yes
      1. nnm
        nnm 3 October 2020 09: 26
        +8
        And what do you see pinning?
        I am in the analogy of how the Germans, standing in Khimki, already saw themselves at the parade on Red Square, and in the end - the assault flag over Berlin. And you?
        There is no "almost" or "a little bit" in military history - it's like the Germans who almost won in Stalingrad, or the almost defeated Assad
        1. Oquzyurd
          Oquzyurd 3 October 2020 09: 40
          -6
          We are not Germans, and Armenians are not the USSR. On the contrary, they are occupiers, whether you like it or not, it’s not the point, they are occupiers. Azerbaijan is waging a liberation struggle. And believe me (you may not believe, not the point), we will return our lands, and something alien to us. do not need to know.
          1. nnm
            nnm 3 October 2020 09: 45
            14
            Yes, yes, yes ... the Germans also "liberated" the USSR from Jewish political instructors and bloody Stalin's guardsmen.
            I will not go into the centuries-old history of the conflict, where there are moments when, in principle, the Iranian group of the population was Turkified by fire and sword.
            I’ll say about something else - you won’t "return" a fig, but zinc will go to cities on both sides, but the worst thing is that the resolution of the conflict will be even more difficult and delayed. And it turns out that Erdogan laid down several thousand lives just for the sake of his own ambitions, and you will end up in an even worse position.
            Emotionally, I understand you perfectly. But as a matter of fact - no.
            1. Oquzyurd
              Oquzyurd 3 October 2020 09: 52
              -3
              Do not understand me with such reasoning. Time (not far away) will show and arrange. I will not answer you anymore.
              1. nnm
                nnm 3 October 2020 09: 54
                10
                Quote: Oquzyurd
                I will not answer you anymore.

                I will miss and cry ...
                But in fact - you have nothing to answer. Except "not far" and "almost" ...
          2. paul3390
            paul3390 3 October 2020 18: 30
            +4
            The attitude towards you could have been better if you had not included the Turks in the topic. And for us it is obvious - where the Ottomans are, do not expect good. It means - and you are enemies.
          3. Kote Pan Kokhanka
            Kote Pan Kokhanka 3 October 2020 21: 29
            +5
            Quote: Oquzyurd
            We are not Germans, and Armenians are not the USSR. On the contrary, they are occupiers, whether you like it or not, it’s not the point, they are occupiers. Azerbaijan is waging a liberation struggle. And believe me (you may not believe, not the point), we will return our lands, and something alien to us. do not need to know.

            You are spilling blood! That says it all. So the statement, we will kill - kills trust in you.
            Already today Azerbaijanis in the market are bypassed by people who yesterday were their regular customers. This is not only the attitude of Orthodox Russians, Ukrainians and Belarusians. Traditional Muslims, Bashkirs and Tatars, appear in the same way!
            Playing the game "mine", you forget that for over a thousand years you were the appendix of Persia. Which can also say its "mine"! And what will you do?
            1. Oquzyurd
              Oquzyurd 3 October 2020 21: 44
              -4
              Forgive me the Almighty, who accuses whom of shedding blood, you see, and impose punishments for all of us according to our actions. People who have a huge log in their eyes accuse us that we have a match. I wonder if they are looking around, whether they look in mirror. Although the eyes are busy, there is also a log. For them there is a concept of the Motherland, and they are ready to shed tons of blood for it, and the same characters think that others do not have such concepts, or should not.
              1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
                Kote Pan Kokhanka 3 October 2020 21: 57
                +1
                I do not like to give examples, but apparently it cannot be otherwise. A year ago, two families of Azerbaijanis lived in my neighborhood. Today they are gone, one got drunk, the other sat down for drug trafficking! Fortunately, the wives went to the children. Conclusion, it is "violet" for me who cuts each other and for what, for me it is the one who first started to blame! Reasons and excuses are nothing if at least one child died !!!
                1. Oquzyurd
                  Oquzyurd 3 October 2020 22: 13
                  -5
                  Purely humanly, many have morality, upbringing, worldview. Finished people, they are finished everywhere, and the nation, as a whole, is not responsible for such, and should not, since in any nation the majority are normal people. But even these are normal, sometimes they make an angel out of themselves, they make speeches about morality (like you), although when it concerns him himself, when his country sheds blood in different parts of the world, I am convinced that this is a good, if not for others, then for his country for sure. I am not writing this in order to convince you of something, I am writing so that when you accuse others of something, look around and find more of what you are going to accuse the other. About the child too, as you gave an example.
            2. Olezhek
              Olezhek 4 October 2020 07: 36
              0
              Already today Azerbaijanis in the market are bypassed by people who yesterday were their regular customers.

              ?? belay

              Why did it happen?
        2. Olezhek
          Olezhek 3 October 2020 10: 39
          -1
          I am in the analogy of how the Germans, standing in Khimki, already saw themselves at the parade on Red Square, and in the end - the assault flag over Berlin. And you?


          The Armenians have nothing to carry out a counteroffensive, alas
          1. nnm
            nnm 3 October 2020 14: 19
            +3
            How did you come to this conclusion in the future for 2-3 years?
        3. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 3 October 2020 12: 25
          +3
          "There is neither" almost "nor" a little bit "in military history" ///
          ------
          There have been many tied wars in military history
          or a partial victory.
          Japan did not defeat Russia in 1905, but the term "Tsushima" became a household name.
          So in this war: regardless of how it ends, the defeat of the armored
          and other military equipment of Armenia from the air by drones and
          kamikaze drones will be included in military textbooks.
          1. Victorio
            Victorio 3 October 2020 14: 23
            0
            Quote: voyaka uh
            defeat of the armored
            and other military equipment of Armenia from the air by drones and
            kamikaze drones will go into military textbooks.

            ===
            Do you have confirmed defeat figures? may and will go into teenage computer games magazines.
          2. Grits
            Grits 3 October 2020 16: 26
            +2
            Quote: voyaka uh
            So in this war: regardless of how it ends, the defeat of the armored
            and other military equipment of Armenia from the air by drones and
            kamikaze drones will be included in military textbooks.

            Here we must admit that modern Israeli and Turkish weapons turned out to be more effective than the proven, but outdated weapons of the USSR and the Russian Federation.
            The main thing is that our Russian Gestab and the Ministry of Defense (based on their use in Syria, Libya, NK) draw the appropriate conclusions, and not continue to rely on the fact that "everything is cooler here"
            1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
              Kote Pan Kokhanka 3 October 2020 21: 34
              +3
              All this can be treated with an "atomic bomb"! Why is everyone sure that they can break the rules of the game, but Russia cannot?
  • Oleg123219307
    Oleg123219307 3 October 2020 09: 22
    33
    Quote: Oquzyurd
    I don’t understand one thing, what has Azerbaijan done badly to you over the course of history and today, why do you so ardently take a pro-Armenian position? This is not only a question for you, but for many commentators. And this is happening at a time when hostilities are taking place on the territory of Azerbaijan, not Armenia. Why are you so impatient with us? What has Azerbaijan done wrong over the centuries of living together, what ??? Do you have a sense of justice, objectivity completely lost ???

    My position is not pro-Armenian. In general, I really do not like people running in crowds across the squares with shouts and posters "Russian invaders are gone." My position is actually - for what they fought, let America save you now. But the answer to your question is very, very simple. Azerbaijan chooses bad friends. Many here take not a pro-Armenian, but an anti-Turkish position. For not every Russian is as kind and tolerant as our government, which forgave the Turks for that plane. And many of us understand that Turkey is an enemy. Let her go to the Caucasus today, and tomorrow, when, for example, we are weakened by the war or the internal political crisis, wait for the Turkish army to visit. And I, as a resident of the Krasnodar Territory, generally do not want to see Turks here. This means that those who invite the Turks to our doorstep are not our friends a priori. Here are the reasons ...
    1. atalef
      atalef 3 October 2020 09: 27
      -6
      Quote: oleg123219307
      Azerbaijan chooses bad friends

      It seems to me that this is their own business.
      Quote: oleg123219307
      Many here take not a pro-Armenian, but an anti-Turkish position.

      Come on . And that Turkey is no longer a friend of Russia 7
      but what about the s-400. NUCLEAR PLANT . Turkish stream? So you can type. and the Azerbaijanis, for whom the Turks are just one people, cannot. You somehow distorted in your comment
      Quote: oleg123219307
      And many of us understand that Turkey is an enemy.

      Shit belay
      Quote: oleg123219307
      And as a resident of the Krasnodar Territory, I am generally reluctant to see Turks here.

      and the Armenians?
      Quote: oleg123219307
      This means that those who invite the Turks to our doorstep are not a priori friends to us. Here are the reasons ...

      No.
      1. Oleg123219307
        Oleg123219307 3 October 2020 10: 58
        16
        Quote: atalef
        It seems to me that this is their own business.

        Sure. But why then complain that Russia somehow supports their adversary?
        Quote: atalef
        Come on . And that Turkey is no longer a friend of Russia 7
        but what about the s-400. NUCLEAR PLANT . Turkish stream? So you can type. and the Azerbaijanis, for whom the Turks are just one people, cannot. You somehow distorted in your comment

        I clearly wrote that not everyone in Russia is as kind, tolerant and non-offensive as our leaders. I would even say that most are not like that.
        Quote: atalef
        Shit

        Is this news?
        Quote: atalef
        and the Armenians?

        I deeply do not care about the nationality of the neighbors if they do not create problems. Armenians, like all people, are very different. And most of the Armenians I know are quite decent people, albeit with their own culture. It is the gentlemen living in Armenia who arrange races in the squares with stories about what Russian g ****. Local Armenians, looking at this, mostly twist their fingers at their temples, and more than once I heard the phrase from them - ours will play out like that. Actually finished badly. But the main thing is that I don't see any threat from the Armenians living here. But I see a threat from the Turkish army on the doorstep. For a strong, vile and dangerous enemy, with huge ambitions, a rather radical religion and a long history of wars with us, the result of which they are unhappy to this day.
        1. atalef
          atalef 3 October 2020 11: 16
          -7
          Quote: oleg123219307
          Sure. But why then complain that Russia somehow supports their adversary?

          yes, I have not heard any complaints
          1. Oleg123219307
            Oleg123219307 3 October 2020 11: 29
            11
            Quote: atalef
            yes, I have not heard any complaints

            Look through the comments above and look from the answer to which post I generally fit into this discussion today. In short, why are you all so pro-Armenian, what did Azerbaijan do to you. I answered - Azerbaijan did nothing to us. But Turkey did, and Azerbaijan and Turkey are friends and allies.
            1. atalef
              atalef 3 October 2020 11: 35
              -5
              Quote: oleg123219307
              Scroll through the comments above and look from the answer to which post I generally fit into this discussion today

              comments on VO are not the official position of Azerbaijan
              Quote: oleg123219307
              In short - why are you all so pro-Armenian, what did Azerbaijan do to you?

              I am not pro-Armenian
              Quote: oleg123219307
              But Turkey did [b] [/ b], and Azerbaijan and Turkey are friends and allies.

              and now what?
              How can you look at yourself, maybe they stopped building nuclear power plants? Or the s-400 was not sold or what?
              First deal with yourself, then tell others how to live.
              1. Oleg123219307
                Oleg123219307 3 October 2020 11: 43
                11
                Quote: atalef
                comments on VO are not the official position of Azerbaijan

                Well, my answers are not the official position of the Russian Federation. But I answered your question who is complaining.
                Quote: atalef
                and now what?
                How can you look at yourself, maybe they stopped building nuclear power plants? Or the s-400 was not sold or what?
                First deal with yourself, then tell others how to live.

                I am not teaching anyone to live. The right of Azerbaijan to be friends with anyone he wants, including our enemies. But I don’t understand why then pro-Azerbaijani commentators are surprised not meeting support and understanding in Russia? I will tell you this, you are talking about nuclear power plants, gas, С400 and everything else. Of course, I cannot speak for everyone, but in 14 we had 90% of support from the authorities, and now, God forbid, to scrape together 30. And the fact that our authorities forgave the Turks that plane is far from last in a long list of reasons why it happened. So do not equate our authorities and the top with the people, views and opinions are very different.
    2. Oquzyurd
      Oquzyurd 3 October 2020 09: 36
      -14 qualifying.
      The trouble for many is that they do not understand that the Turks are not an enemy, but an ally to Russia. And, as they argued, it is closer to your Krasnodar from the Turkish border (near Batumi) than from Azerbaijan. Bratsk relations between Azerbaijan and Turkey should not irritate, but on the contrary, it can be very beneficially used for Russia. It is not necessary to think in terms of the 19-20 centuries, the world is changing, it would be necessary to rebuild and look at the world of the 21st century. If you don't "gouge your eyes out" to us Azerbaijanis, to put it mildly, then Azerbaijan will continue to be friendly, somewhere pro-Russian.
      1. nnm
        nnm 3 October 2020 09: 40
        20
        Everything is so .... if you forget about the downed plane, games with a stream, inzherlik, etc.
        Turkey is a clear, cunning and powerful enemy of Russia. And this is how her actions should be evaluated. Dot.
      2. Alexander Galaktionov
        Alexander Galaktionov 3 October 2020 09: 51
        10
        The Turks are a friend of Russia, it's funny, we all remember our pilots, the ambassador and the military So we have no illusions, but about the C 400, the nuclear power plant is like a policy, but about the South Stream)) thanks to the Turks for throwing Gazprom a lesson
        1. atalef
          atalef 3 October 2020 09: 52
          0
          Quote: Alexander Galaktionov
          , we all remember our pilots, ambassador and military So we have no illusions, but about the C 400, NPP is like a policy

          And that is, woo you - this is politics. and to Azerbaijan --- nizzzzzza.
          1. Alexander Galaktionov
            Alexander Galaktionov 3 October 2020 09: 54
            +5
            Don't take a bad example
            1. atalef
              atalef 3 October 2020 09: 56
              -3
              Quote: Alexander Galaktionov
              Don't take a bad example

              Are you a foul example?
              1. Alexander Galaktionov
                Alexander Galaktionov 3 October 2020 10: 00
                +9
                Bad example of C 400 to sell to the NATO country that shot down our pilot, do not pretend to be fluffy about IL 20 we remember everything
                1. miru mir
                  miru mir 3 October 2020 11: 23
                  0
                  Quote: Alexander Galaktionov
                  remember everything about IL 20

                  is this which the Syrian brothers have landed?
              2. Oquzyurd
                Oquzyurd 3 October 2020 11: 12
                -3
                The condition of the truce in Karabakh is the withdrawal of the Armenian Armed Forces from the occupied territories of Azerbaijan, Azerbaijani President Ilham Aliyev said in an interview with Al Jazeera TV.

                “A truce is good, but on what terms? The condition should be as follows - they should be removed from all territories. Let them begin to withdraw troops and present us with a withdrawal schedule, let them take the approved serious commitments to the mediators, observe the ceasefire, and we will, of course, do the same, ”the president said, adding that if these conditions are met, diplomacy can be earned to settle conflict.

                The head of state also noted that before the arrival of the new authorities in Armenia, issues were discussed at the negotiating table, the first point of which was the settlement of the conflict within the framework of the territorial integrity of Azerbaijan.

                “This is our demand and we have the right to demand it,” added the President of Azerbaijan.
          2. Alexander Galaktionov
            Alexander Galaktionov 3 October 2020 09: 57
            +6
            In general, we have a super policy to sell the C 400 to the NATO country) you can still sell the Su 57, Iskander, well, how will the C 500
      3. Oleg123219307
        Oleg123219307 3 October 2020 11: 03
        11
        Quote: Oquzyurd
        The trouble for many is that they do not understand that the Turks are not an enemy, but an ally to Russia. And, as they argued, it is closer to your Krasnodar from the Turkish border (near Batumi) than from Azerbaijan. Bratsk relations between Azerbaijan and Turkey should not irritate, but on the contrary, it can be very beneficially used for Russia. It is not necessary to think in terms of the 19-20 centuries, the world is changing, it would be necessary to rebuild and look at the world of the 21st century. If you don't "gouge your eyes out" to us Azerbaijanis, to put it mildly, then Azerbaijan will continue to be friendly, somewhere pro-Russian.

        Turkey's ally ??? Are you henbane overeat? Yes, they talk to us more or less politely only because of the nuclear club. The fact that our supreme leader and the company were able to slightly drive Turkey away from NATO with economic projects does not mean that we are friends. It is with America that we really have nothing to share apart from political influence, therefore, with equal forces, we are not at war yet. And the Turks are with us as if not on the path. I will never believe in the friendship and good intentions of this old, experienced enemy.
        1. Grits
          Grits 3 October 2020 16: 35
          +2
          Quote: oleg123219307
          I will never believe in the friendship and good intentions of this old, experienced enemy.

          I understand that this is Turkey's wishlist by 2050. They are still consistent. By 2020, it is already possible to paint the northern part of Cyprus, the western part of Libya, the north-west of Syria, the north of Iraq and all of Azerbaijan in red
        2. Oquzyurd
          Oquzyurd 3 October 2020 19: 16
          -4
          Why is this a card, what for? All countries have different maps at different periods of history. Your fears about the map are simply ridiculous, unfounded, and harmful to yourself.
          1. Oleg123219307
            Oleg123219307 3 October 2020 20: 29
            +1
            Quote: Oquzyurd
            Why is this a card, what for? All countries have different maps at different periods of history. Your fears about the map are simply ridiculous, unfounded, and harmful to yourself.

            To understand the consequences of showing weakness. I do not call for a war with Turkey, given the difference in our technological levels, this would be a call for genocide, but allowing the uncontrolled approach of the Turks to our borders and transferring the reins of influence to them in the entire east is fraught with great troubles for us. The guarantee of a calm and peaceful existence of our country is a calm, but strong and consistent policy of defending our interests. It is quite possible to trade with Turkey, go there on vacation, conduct political affairs, but we can NEVER rely on Turkey as a friend and ally. As well as them on us actually. There are too many overlapping interests and neither side will miss its chance to grab more influence in the region. But I am a citizen of Russia, so Russia and Russia's interests are more important to me than the problems of the Turks and their allies.
      4. paul3390
        paul3390 3 October 2020 18: 34
        +4
        You simply do not want to understand in your frenzy that the Turks are enemies to you too. Or do you want to be part of the neo-Ottoman Empire? There you will quickly be taught to love the Sultan .. But alas, the neighbors will not allow the reincarnations of the Ottoman Empire. For no one on the planet was given such happiness for nothing.
    3. nnm
      nnm 3 October 2020 09: 38
      +4
      Well said, colleague. I will subscribe to your opinion, with your permission.
    4. Grits
      Grits 3 October 2020 16: 28
      +3
      Quote: oleg123219307
      Many here take not a pro-Armenian, but an anti-Turkish position.

      These words can be inserted into headings.
  • _Ugene_
    _Ugene_ 3 October 2020 09: 22
    12
    Where did you get so impatient with us? What has Azerbaijan done wrong over the centuries of living together, what ??? Do you have a sense of justice, objectivity completely lost ???
    in this conflict I am not taking sides, these are your showdowns, we do not care about this, but in life I can say - how the majority of Azerbaijanis and Armenians behave here in Russia are, as they say, two big differences. All the Armenians whom I know and with whom people are exceptionally educated and decent, I would put them as an example for Russians, about Azerbaijanis, to put it mildly, you cannot say that
    and regarding the conflict, it must be admitted that Azerbaijan's oil and gas revenues allowed them to have a military budget 2 times greater than that of Armenia, besides, the human resource is several times larger, sooner or later this should have led to military superiority, which is what we observe
    1. 2 Level Advisor
      2 Level Advisor 3 October 2020 14: 05
      +3
      I can only say about work - working with the Azeybardjans is much safer and calmer .. but in communication I did not notice much difference - both those and those have enough normal representatives of the nation ..
  • seregin-s1
    seregin-s1 3 October 2020 09: 39
    18
    Are you serious? In the early 90s, a quarter of the population of Baku was Russian, and Azerbaijanis were 66 percent. Where did the 500000 Russians go? You threw them out!
    1. atalef
      atalef 3 October 2020 09: 50
      -8
      Quote: seregin-s1
      Where did the 500000 Russians go? You threw them out!

      I have not heard that there were persecutions against Russians in Azerbaijan.
      They were in Chechnya. in Dagestan - somehow they do not get along. And Azerbaijan has always been multinational.
    2. Alex_Bora
      Alex_Bora 7 October 2020 18: 14
      0
      Ready to add five hundred times !!!!
  • Lipchanin
    Lipchanin 3 October 2020 09: 46
    +1
    The overwhelming majority of the population of Armenia are Christians of the Armenian Apostolic Church, which is legally assigned the status of the national church of the Armenian people, and Christianity is the status of the official religion of Armenia.
    1. atalef
      atalef 3 October 2020 09: 51
      0
      Quote: Lipchanin
      The overwhelming majority of the population of Armenia are Christians of the Armenian Apostolic Church, which is legally assigned the status of the national church of the Armenian people, and Christianity is the status of the official religion of Armenia.

      so it is a lot where. it's the same in Ethiopia. and?
      1. Lipchanin
        Lipchanin 3 October 2020 09: 56
        +9
        Quote: atalef
        so it is a lot where. it's the same in Ethiopia. and

        Where is Eiopia and where is Armienia
        Seven years ago, an Armenian family rented an apartment under me
        When my wife died, they helped me so much that I am still grateful to them and will still be grateful
        1. atalef
          atalef 3 October 2020 09: 57
          -2
          Quote: Lipchanin
          seven years ago an Armenian family rented an apartment under me
          When my wife died, they helped me so much that I am still grateful to them and will still be grateful

          Thanks to them, of course - but I can't trace the connection.
          will you go to fight for the Karabakh?
          1. Lipchanin
            Lipchanin 3 October 2020 10: 00
            0
            Quote: atalef
            will you go to fight for the Karabakh?

            Of course not. What a warrior I am at 63+
    2. Insurgent
      Insurgent 3 October 2020 10: 21
      +4
      Quote: Lipchanin
      The overwhelming majority of the population of Armenia are Christians of the Armenian Apostolic Church, which is legally assigned the status of the national church of the Armenian people, and Christianity is the status of the official religion of Armenia.


      On the question of religion (Armenian volunteers go to the front).

      1. Lipchanin
        Lipchanin 3 October 2020 10: 30
        +2
        Quote: Insurgent
        volunteers go to the front).

        What are the majority of ages ....
  • Cowbra
    Cowbra 3 October 2020 09: 49
    +5
    Where is it broken? The offensive went on one of the roads connecting Karabakh with Armenia. All successes in 5 days - they were able to go 25 km somewhere. And that's all. Not a single task has been completed. rested their foreheads - and stand.
    And yet, what good has Azerbaijan done to you, that you take a vehemently pro-Azerbaijani position? If you do not understand, then such arguments are called demagoguery
    1. atalef
      atalef 3 October 2020 10: 03
      -3
      Quote: Cowbra
      And yet, what good has Azerbaijan done to you, that you take a vehemently pro-Azerbaijani position?

      Azerbaijanis have not done anything wrong to me, let's put the question like this.
      Azerbaijanis are wonderful hospitable people.
      Secondly, Armenia occupied the territory of Azerbaijan - this is the same fact.
      enough in my opinion.
      1. Cowbra
        Cowbra 3 October 2020 10: 12
        +1
        Neither one nor the other did me any good or bad - and now I do not care at all about the showdown between non-turks and their children. The question is not that you again plunged into demagogy and offtopic, but that no one broke through anything anywhere, even close. Guderians were found, cognac
      2. Olezhek
        Olezhek 3 October 2020 10: 41
        +8
        Second - Armenia occupied the territory of Azerbaijan is the same fact.
        enough in my opinion.
        am

        Really funny - the state of Israel has never allowed something like it!
        1. atalef
          atalef 3 October 2020 11: 39
          -2
          Quote: Olezhek
          Really funny - the state of Israel has never allowed something like it!

          no, we are not occupying the territory of Azerbaijan.
      3. iouris
        iouris 3 October 2020 11: 38
        +1
        Quote: atalef
        Azerbaijanis are wonderful hospitable people.

        I agree. And the Armenians are the same and the Georgians. But it was not the people who started the war, but the states, the "elites". This war is imperialist, antipopular, unjust. It is arranged in such a way and at such a moment to squeeze the Russian Federation out of the region and create conditions for Erdogan's offensive in the Caspian direction. But Erdogan relies on the support of the circles that Soros represents. The ruling circles of Turkey, Azerbaijan, Georgia and Armenia are objectively against the interests of the Russian Federation in this conflict. I suspect that Pashinyan has some guarantees in exchange for concessions, which he will make in connection with "force majeure circumstances." The strong anti-Iranian orientation of this political line is also noticeable. Hence the active supply of high-precision weapons to Azerbaijan from Israel. So it's better to keep quiet about the religious and racial background of the war.
        1. karpusha
          karpusha 3 October 2020 14: 44
          +2
          As you do not read the comments, so are the people of Soros and the influence of the Anglo-Saxons. They are already imagining at every corner. Why won't Russia show everyone their place? By right of the strong, what they want is what they do. All Armenia is plowed with drones, and then you are proud of the unparalleled c300 and c400.
          Erdogan, unlike Putin, develops his own country and invests in people, education, science. He consistently defends the interests of the country.
          It is ridiculous to say that Turkey is ahead of Russia in many military areas.
          1. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar 3 October 2020 16: 20
            +2
            Quote: karpusha
            As you do not read the comments, so are the people of Soros and the influence of the Anglo-Saxons. They are already imagining at every corner. Why won't Russia show everyone their place? By right of the strong, what they want is what they do. All Armenia is plowed with drones, and then you are proud of the unparalleled c300 and c400.
            Erdogan, unlike Putin, develops his own country and invests in people, education, science. He consistently defends the interests of the country.
            It is ridiculous to say that Turkey is ahead of Russia in many military areas.

            Many people of science run away from Erdogan, leaving the country. Among the representatives of big business, medical and university elite, you will not meet ten percent of Erdogan's supporters
            1. karpusha
              karpusha 3 October 2020 17: 31
              -4
              Putin's just the same, only multiplied by 2.
              1. Krasnodar
                Krasnodar 3 October 2020 17: 53
                -2
                Yes, this is also from the Soviet Union, when the opportunity was provided, for example, in the early 70s-late 80s along the Jewish line. It was harder for others, because they were simply not released, but many art workers - the same Baryshnikov, for example, fled during the tour. Under Yeltsin, scientists and doctors were dumped on a more or less decent fee, having made a sum with six zeros of commerce and bandits. So Putin is out of business here
      4. Bully
        Bully 3 October 2020 11: 47
        +7
        Secondly, Armenia occupied the territory of Azerbaijan

        This is a fact, but a craftiness. Armenians have been compactly living in these regions since time immemorial. After gaining sovereignty, Azerbaijan began to expel them from there, however, they rested and with weapons defended their right to live on this land. To make it clearer, I will give an example of the Kurds compactly living in Turkey, Iran, Syria, Iraq. The situation is similar here.
        1. atalef
          atalef 3 October 2020 12: 37
          -3
          Quote: Bully
          To make it clearer, I will give an example of the Kurds compactly living in Turkey, Iran, Syria, Iraq. The situation is similar here.

          no, not like. The Kurds have never had a state with recognized borders.
          1. nerovnayadoroga
            nerovnayadoroga 3 October 2020 22: 30
            +4
            By the way, the Jews didn't have it either.
        2. Mik13
          Mik13 3 October 2020 12: 43
          +5
          Quote: Bully
          Armenians have been compactly living in these regions since time immemorial.

          Let's just say that Armenians lived in these regions even when there was no not only Azerbaijan, but also Islam as such.

          Quote: Bully
          After gaining sovereignty, Azerbaijan began to expel them from there, however, they rested and with weapons defended their right to live on this land.
          The history of this conflict should begin with the Armenian Genocide of 1915, which the Turks still deny. Therefore, an attempt to repeat it already at the end of the twentieth century naturally caused a little nervous reaction among the Armenians.

          In general, the independence of any people begins with weapons.
          1. ruha
            ruha 3 October 2020 13: 24
            -1
            Quote: Mik13
            Let's just say that Armenians lived in these regions even when there was not only Azerbaijan, but also Islam as such.

            you collapsed from the oak? Armenians came to the Caucasus from Iran!
            1. Mik13
              Mik13 3 October 2020 13: 46
              +6
              Quote: ruha
              Quote: Mik13
              Let's just say that Armenians lived in these regions even when there was not only Azerbaijan, but also Islam as such.

              you collapsed from the oak? Armenians came to the Caucasus from Iran!

              And we all came to Eurasia from Africa ...
              However, Great Armenia (this is what historians call it) appeared on the territory of the Armenian Highlands in 190 BC. And Artsakh (as Karabakh was then called) was one of the provinces of this state. (800 years left before the birth of the prophet Muhammad).

              And Karabakh became the territory of Azerbaijan in 1918. Moreover, the Azerbaijanis began to slaughter Armenians in this territory as early as 1905 - long before the Turks were concerned about this issue. In 1921, Karabakh became the territory of the Azerbaijan USSR.
              Special thanks to V.I. Lenin for the competent solution of national issues on the territory of the USSR - the borders of the national republics drawn under him are still zones of conflict.
              To be honest, it seems to me that Azerbaijan has no more historical rights to Karabakh than Ukraine has to Crimea. And if you remember the history of the genocide of Armenians, including by Azerbaijanis, then even less.
              1. Victorio
                Victorio 3 October 2020 14: 31
                +1
                Quote: Mik13
                And we all came to Eurasia from Africa ...

                ===
                according to the version and research of professor klesov, our great-greats .... ancestors came from beyond the Urals. one branch went north to Europe, another to the south, to Asia. so somehow)
                1. Krasnodar
                  Krasnodar 3 October 2020 16: 25
                  +2
                  The funny thing is that Mr. Klesov is a professor of biochemistry, working at Harvard on a new generation of anticancer drugs for targeted and immunological cancer therapy. Genetics and history are his hobbies, most professionals disagree with him, both in the West and in the Russian Federation. Popular among dummies))
              2. antiaircrafter
                antiaircrafter 3 October 2020 23: 04
                0
                Quote: Mik13
                And we all came to Eurasia from Africa ...

                Oh well .... I'm from Hyperborea.
              3. Pilat2009
                Pilat2009 4 October 2020 12: 22
                0
                Quote: Mik13
                Azerbaijan has no more historical rights to Karabakh than Ukraine has to Crimea

                One might think that Russia did not conquer the Crimea. All once conquered territories this is the natural development of the state. Who is stronger than the right. There was the Roman Empire and left. There was Byzantium and left. There was Great Armenia and left. There was the Ottoman Empire and left.
      5. _Ugene_
        _Ugene_ 3 October 2020 14: 41
        +2
        Secondly, Armenia occupied the territory of Azerbaijan - this is the same fact.
        in our time, the fact is an ambiguous thing, for example, in Ukraine, the absolute fact that Russia occupied the territory of Ukraine in the Crimea and Donbas, and in Russia this is nonsense and not a fact
      6. paul3390
        paul3390 3 October 2020 18: 37
        +3
        Maybe then you will return the Golan Heights to Syria? If such adherents of international law?
    2. Mik13
      Mik13 3 October 2020 12: 36
      +3
      Quote: Cowbra
      ... and what good did Azerbaijan do to you, that you take a fiercely pro-Azerbaijani position? If you do not understand, then such arguments are called demagoguery

      Your interlocutor is absolutely indifferent to Azerbaijan. He has an anti-Russian position.

      Interlocutors with such a position will sympathize with everyone who, in one way or another, acts against the interests of Russia.
      1. atalef
        atalef 3 October 2020 12: 40
        -2
        Quote: Mik13
        Interlocutors with such a position will sympathize with everyone who, in one way or another, acts against the interests of Russia.

        I wonder why Russia was selling weapons to Azerbaijan?
        Russia occupies one of the leading places among the countries from which Azerbaijan purchases military-technical products. On September 1 of this year, the President of the Republic, Ilham Aliyev, following the results of negotiations with Vladimir Putin, said that Azerbaijan had purchased military products from Russia for more than $ 5 billion and this figure will grow.

        Russian arms deliveries
        At present, Azerbaijan is a major partner of the Russian Federation in the arms market. According to the Stockholm Peace Research Institute (SIPRI), in 2006-2016, the share of Russian weapons in the total imports of Azerbaijan’s defense products was about 22%.
        Within the framework of a large package of contracts concluded in the same years, the Azerbaijani side received from the Russian Federation in 2013-2018 a significant amount of new-produced ground forces weapons:

        100 main tanks T-90S;
        118 BMP-3 infantry fighting vehicles;
        230 armored personnel carriers BTR-82A;
        166 artillery systems, including 18 self-propelled howitzers "Msta-S" of 152 mm caliber, 18 self-propelled guns "Vena" of 120 mm caliber (Azerbaijan became their launch customer), 18 combat vehicles of the Smerch multiple launch rocket system of 300 mm caliber, 24 combat vehicles of the TOS-1A "Solntsepek" heavy flamethrower system.
        1. aszzz888
          aszzz888 3 October 2020 13: 31
          0

          atalef (alexander)
          Today, 12:40 pm, I wonder why Russia was selling weapons to Azerbaijan?
          forgot to ask you tongue figure it out in your herd laughing
          1. atalef
            atalef 3 October 2020 13: 53
            +1
            Quote: aszzz888

            atalef (alexander)
            Today, 12:40 pm, I wonder why Russia was selling weapons to Azerbaijan?
            forgot to ask you tongue figure it out in your herd laughing

            and on the subject have something to say?
            1. Mik13
              Mik13 3 October 2020 15: 45
              +2
              Quote: atalef
              and on the subject have something to say?

              By the way, about the legend on the topic.
              Here Erdogan said that Jerusalem is Turkey ...

              The link is in English, unfortunately ... But the source is Israeli.
              https://www.timesofisrael.com/jerusalem-is-our-city-turkeys-erdogan-declares/
            2. aszzz888
              aszzz888 4 October 2020 02: 22
              0

              atalef (alexander)
              Yesterday, 13: 53

              But what about! laughing
              “Jerusalem is our city,” says Erdogan in Turkey.
              Addressing legislators in Ankara, the Turkish president said that the Palestinian people have lived in the capital for "thousands of years."
              RAPHAEL AREN
              comprehend tongue what do your colleagues write, good it's not for you to rattle about the clave, but to rake the cons like a dog fleas.
        2. nerovnayadoroga
          nerovnayadoroga 3 October 2020 22: 33
          0
          They bought, paid money, why not sell !?
  • huntsman650
    huntsman650 3 October 2020 09: 56
    +4
    You don’t understand a joke, just that, right behind the knife)))
  • Vladimir61
    Vladimir61 3 October 2020 10: 01
    +2
    Quote: Oquzyurd
    I don’t understand one thing, what has Azerbaijan done badly to you over the course of history and today, why do you so ardently take a pro-Armenian position? This is not only a question for you, but for many commentators. And this is happening at a time when hostilities are taking place on the territory of Azerbaijan, not Armenia. Why are you so impatient with us? What has Azerbaijan done wrong over the centuries of living together, what ??? Do you have a sense of justice, objectivity completely lost ???
    The same as Ukraine in Donbass!
  • ism_ek
    ism_ek 3 October 2020 10: 19
    22
    Quote: Oquzyurd
    I don’t understand one thing, what has Azerbaijan done badly to you in the course of history and today, why do you so vehemently take a pro-Armenian position?


    Here is a live picture from Baku in the nineties. Refugee NI T-va: “Something unimaginable was going on there. On January 13, 1990, pogroms began, and my child, clinging to me, said: "Mom, they will kill us now!" And after the introduction of the troops, the director of the school where I worked (this is not for you in the bazaar!), An Azerbaijani, an intelligent woman, said: “Never mind, the troops will leave - and here there will be a Russian on each tree”. They fled, leaving apartments, property, furniture ... But I was born in Azerbaijan, and not only me: my grandmother was also born there! .. "
    1. 2 Level Advisor
      2 Level Advisor 3 October 2020 14: 09
      +4
      in which of the non-Slavic republics, there was no persecution of the Russians during the collapse of the USSR?
  • vitvit123
    vitvit123 3 October 2020 11: 34
    +2
    Perhaps not the hostility towards the Turks is subconsciously transferred to Azerbaijan .. maybe ..
  • Hypertension
    Hypertension 3 October 2020 12: 10
    14
    Quote: Oquzyurd
    I don’t understand one thing, what has Azerbaijan done badly to you in the course of history and today, why do you so vehemently take a pro-Armenian position?

    The answer to this question lies on the surface. Armenians are Christians. Armenians dominate contemporary Russian pop culture (Comedy Club, TNT, etc.). Armenians are members of the CSTO and participate in the EAEU. There are more Armenians in the Russian Federation than Azerbaijanis. There are much more marriages between Armenians and Russians than between Russians and Azerbaijanis (if they exist at all (and if there is, then as a rule the Russian side changes its faith)). In general, Russia has more cultural, historical and household ties with Armenia. Another significant factor is competition with Azerbaijan in the field of gas / oil sales. And what about Azerbaijanis in modern Russia? In a nutshell, these are markets and shops. Well, also singers like Emin or Hamali Nawai. Plus "tell me who your friend is and I'll tell you who you are." All the same, Russia and Turkey historically did not work out. I would not talk about some kind of hatred towards Azerbaijanis, but in the current circumstances, the sympathy of Russians of the Christian faith and Russian nationality is on the side of the Armenians. This is the real state of affairs at the moment, as I see it.
  • pytar
    pytar 3 October 2020 12: 11
    13
    The defense has been broken through, many commanding heights are occupied. Today and tomorrow you will be convinced on the news. Another 3-4 days, everything, the whole defense will collapse completely, if it has not collapsed by this hour.

    Russia will not allow Azerbaijan to take all of Karabakh. Because, in this case, Russia will lose Armenia, and Azerbaijan will finally go into Turkey's orbit. As a result, Russia will lose the entire Caucasus - the region is vital for it. The Kremlin is now silent, because it is conducting educational work with Pashinyan. Aliyev and Erdogan probably believe that the Russians have left the region forever ... They are mistaken! Russia never leaves if it has already come here! If the Russians are not prominent, they most likely went out for lunch. And the feasts they have, as we know, are long ... And as soon as someone gets into their zone of influence, the Russians will definitely return! Come back and give out kicks to whoever needs it! No Turkey can pull here, Erdogan shouldn't have made himself a sultan and climbed into the zones of Russian interests - Syria, Libya, the Caucasus, Central Asia and off. Russia is never as weak as it looks! Azerbaijanis and Armenians, only by obeying the Russians, can get along side by side. Everything else for them is a path to nowhere, a dead end, but for Erdogan, bruises and plaster!
    Russia is not just a factor, Russia is a fundamental factor! If someone tries to bypass it, he will have to make a sooo long journey with an unknown outcome ...
    1. nerovnayadoroga
      nerovnayadoroga 3 October 2020 22: 38
      +1
      THANKS!!! And very competently, succinctly and accurately!
  • V1er
    V1er 3 October 2020 12: 24
    +2
    I don’t understand one thing, what has Azerbaijan done badly to you in the course of history and today, why do you so vehemently take a pro-Armenian position?

    I do not think that people take a pro-Armenian position. Rather, the problem is that Russia has a very negative attitude towards Turkey because of the Syrian events, because of the downed plane. And Azerbaijan is Turkey's ally. This means an ally of a possible enemy. In addition, we have a military base in Armenia and many economic ties. But do we have a military base in Azerbaijan? Here you need to turn on your head, if tomorrow Russia starts a serious quarrel with Turkey, what will Azerbaijan do?
  • Morrrow
    Morrrow 3 October 2020 12: 54
    +1
    Armenia ally in the CSTO
  • Victorio
    Victorio 3 October 2020 14: 18
    +1
    Quote: Oquzyurd
    Do you have a sense of justice, objectivity completely lost ???

    ===
    on both sides a stigma in the cannon. The day before yesterday you slaughtered the Armenians, yesterday the Armenians slaughtered you, and today it is your turn again
  • paul3390
    paul3390 3 October 2020 18: 28
    +1
    There are too many of you in our cities .. And you got too tired of your behavior .. However, do not be upset - the opposite side is about the same attitude ..
  • not main
    not main 3 October 2020 22: 17
    +1
    Quote: Oquzyurd
    The defense has been broken through, many commanding heights are occupied. Today and tomorrow you will be convinced on the news. Another 3-4 days, everything, the whole defense will collapse completely, if it has not collapsed by this hour.
    I don’t understand one thing, what has Azerbaijan done badly to you over the course of history and today, why do you so ardently take a pro-Armenian position? This is not only a question for you, but for many commentators. And this is happening at a time when hostilities are taking place on the territory of Azerbaijan, not Armenia. Why are you so impatient with us? What has Azerbaijan done wrong over the centuries of living together, what ??? Do you have a sense of justice, objectivity completely lost ???

    Yes, Azerbaijan did nothing bad to me, as did Armenia. But Azerbaijan is openly supported by Turkey! And the Turks are our primordial enemies! And if our enemy supports someone ... will you make a conclusion yourself?
  • Pilat2009
    Pilat2009 4 October 2020 12: 07
    0
    Quote: Oquzyurd
    I don’t understand one thing, what has Azerbaijan done badly to you in the course of history and today, why do you so vehemently take a pro-Armenian position?

    Well, not everyone takes a pro-Armenian position. You can, for example, act like the United States in World War II - If the Armenians win, help the Azerbaijanis, if the Azerbaijanis are Armenians. Russia sells weapons to both yours and ours. Besides, why should I support the Armenians who seized foreign territory? ? So that they gallop in front of our embassy? In the case, we closely follow the progress of the database and draw conclusions
  • Boris ⁣ Shaver
    Boris ⁣ Shaver 5 October 2020 00: 54
    +2
    Quote: Oquzyurd
    I don’t understand one thing, what wrong did Azerbaijan do to you

    Personally. Personally, the Azeri mentality is much more pleasant to me than the Armenian mentality. Undoubtedly, there are wonderful or, on the contrary, rotten people among both nations. But if we talk about the most common type of character, then Azerbaijanis are clearly more pleasant to me than Armenians.
    In the state plan. The last elections of the Armenian state (and their previous history) regarding the Russians, to whom they owe their very existence, absolutely cannot dispose us to their country.

    BUT:

    1) Turkey wants to climb into the region over the Azerbaijani and Armenian corpses. The fact is that Turkish politics is already reminiscent of a severe clinical case. And we do not want the wind to bring radioactive dust to our Black Sea coast from the "Turkish coast". Understand that our environment is not very good there, and if the consequences of a nuclear strike on Turkey also affect our only warm sea, then it will be absolutely sad.

    2) You shed your first blood today. We cannot approve of this. We are for peace.

    3) You are fighting for the land, and they are fighting for their houses.

    4) The insolvency of the problem was invented by your rulers. The situation was whipped up by them for political purposes. Look at those who did not reach the rays of their propaganda - the Azerbaijanis living in Russia. And I have friends Azerbaijanis, whose parents were forced to flee from Karabakh. One girl once recalled how she could not go to her own grandmother, because the Armenians began to fire at them, peaceful people on the way. She was then a child and remembered this for the rest of her life. It was their homes that were captured by the Armenians, they suffered from that war. But not under the influence of Azerbaijani propananda, they lost their thirst for blood here in Moscow and even began to make friends with the same Moscow Armenians. Both those and others here in Moscow sincerely did not understand why they should hate each other. But you there they were constantly reminded why. And this is the fault of those who have been concocting your propaganda all this time. So there is a way out - put your propagandists on a stake and start living.

    5) We will remember what happened after that war with local Russians in Armenia and Azerbaijan.
  • Boris ⁣ Shaver
    Boris ⁣ Shaver 5 October 2020 01: 04
    0
    Quote: Oquzyurd
    the fighting is taking place on the territory of Azerbaijan, not Armenia.

    The fighting is taking place on the territory of the USSR.

    The fighting is taking place near the Armenian houses. And the rest - blah blah blah.
  • Olezhek
    Olezhek 3 October 2020 09: 36
    -1
    Yes, there are a lot of the same videos from Armenia. But it must be judged by specific results. In fact, these results are zero. Defense not broken


    It is very difficult to "break through the defense" there. The mountains
    But it is quite possible to inflict losses and "bite off a piece of territory".
    Armenians don't have as much equipment as the PLA
  • Vol4ara
    Vol4ara 3 October 2020 14: 14
    0
    Quote: nnm
    Yes, there are a lot of the same videos from Armenia. But it is necessary to judge by specific results. In fact, these results are zero. The defense has not been broken through, the dominant heights are not occupied, on the contrary, the Armenian army has been mobilized. And the simplest result is sliding into positioning.

    There were a lot of such videos from Armenia in the first days, but now they are gone. They will be cut out in position, Armenia has lost the sky and the war, if no one stands up for it and does not supply equipment on debt, then that is all. They will continue to be hammered from the sky, in the end the infantry will be left without equipment and will be plowed up with artillery on a tip from the same sky, and then they will be hit from different directions by infantry and armored vehicles with reconnaissance and air support. And if Armenia decides to use Iskander on infrastructure, it will not get off with Karabakh alone. The realities of today - lost in the sky - lost the war
  • Nastia makarova
    Nastia makarova 3 October 2020 08: 44
    -2
    Armenia also has a lot of videos where Azerbaijani soldiers are being killed, on both sides of the dead for thousands
    1. Train
      Train 3 October 2020 08: 56
      -1
      What thousands? If there were so many, the corpses would be piled up. And it would be impossible to hide them from cameras.
      1. Nastia makarova
        Nastia makarova 3 October 2020 08: 59
        -4
        Some videos for half a thousand and how many were not filmed
        1. Train
          Train 3 October 2020 09: 00
          0
          Girl, I looked with all my eyes, but I didn't even see a couple of hundred.
          1. Nastia makarova
            Nastia makarova 3 October 2020 09: 07
            -1
            Watch all the videos in 6 days, how much equipment, or was it without soldiers?
            1. Train
              Train 3 October 2020 09: 10
              -1
              Yes, there are no thousands, hundreds, yes, there is also I doubt that more than 200-300 people were killed. Thousands of corpses are nonsense. Visually, can you imagine this? I dare to assume that there are several hundred total losses, yes, there are
              1. Nastia makarova
                Nastia makarova 3 October 2020 09: 14
                -4
                Several hundred are just from video, but why count now, after the war they will sound
  • Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 3 October 2020 09: 13
    +8
    All UAVs have HD cameras .... here are a lot of videos. There are no cameras on the Cornet ... on the howitzer too
  • Skarpzd
    Skarpzd 3 October 2020 10: 50
    0
    you are right, the video is laid out. but .............. here the whole hitch is that if a dozen video frames with destroyed tanks are posted on different resources at least a thousand times, then the number of destroyed tanks will still remain 10. I'm exaggerating, of course, but I don't see anything critical yet.
    interestingly different. our military base is in Armenia. and kind of like a joint air defense. which is typical, there are not any statements on the situation at the front from our military. silence. has it finally stopped flowing? this makes me happy. but infa the final we have, and apparently not very happy for Armenia. and for us the final. is happening what some people wrote about on VO. Russia is rapidly losing control in the Caucasus. badly.
    1. Florian geyer
      Florian geyer 3 October 2020 17: 26
      +1
      Because Armenia is not at war. Fighting NKR
  • Florian geyer
    Florian geyer 3 October 2020 17: 24
    -1
    Azerbaijan is posting a video of the destruction of some piece objects, it is not known where. The Armenians post videos of the destruction of the enemy in battles, plus a large number of killed enemy soldiers.

    The fact that the Armenians show the bodies of the Ayzers suggests that they are firmly holding the front and, apparently, in some places they are going forward.
  • Asad
    Asad 3 October 2020 08: 27
    +5
    At what height is the UAV located so that they cannot hear it?
    1. aszzz888
      aszzz888 3 October 2020 08: 42
      +2
      ASAD (Nikolay)
      Today, 08: 27
      0
      At what height is the UAV located so that they cannot hear it?

      Over 8 km flies -
      Bayraktar tb2
      Bayraktar TB2 Runway.jpg
      Bayraktar TB2 taking off
      Impact UAV type
      Specifications Bayraktar

      Length: 6,5 m
      Wingspan: 12 m
      Maximum takeoff weight: 650 kg
      Carrying capacity: 55 kg
      Maximum speed: 222 km / h
      Cruising speed: 130 km / h
      Radius of action 150 km
      Ceiling: 8200 m
      Autonomy: 24 h [5]
      Developer Turkey Baykar Makina
      Manufacturer Turkey Baykar Makina
      First flight August 2014
      Serial production status
      operators
      Turkish Air Force
      Qatar Air Force, Ukrainian Air Force, Azerbaijan Air Force
      Units produced> 100 [1]
      1. Asad
        Asad 3 October 2020 08: 51
        +1
        So he strikes from 8 kilometers? And if the wind is strong? Sorry for the questions naive for specialists!
        1. aszzz888
          aszzz888 3 October 2020 08: 53
          +4
          ASAD (Nikolay)
          Today, 08: 51

          0
          So he strikes from 8 kilometers? And if the wind is strong? Sorry for the questions naive for specialists!
          I'm not special. But judging by the video, they fly, and even with good accuracy
        2. Alexey Sommer
          Alexey Sommer 3 October 2020 09: 02
          +4
          Quote: ASAD
          So he strikes from 8 kilometers?

          It is not the UAV that delivers the strikes in this case.
          He's just adjusting the artillery fire.
          1. sabakina
            sabakina 3 October 2020 09: 47
            +2
            Quote: Alexey Sommer
            Quote: ASAD
            So he strikes from 8 kilometers?

            It is not the UAV that delivers the strikes in this case.
            He's just adjusting the artillery fire.

            What kind of weapons do they have that hit the bull's-eye from the first shot? recourse
            1. Alexey Sommer
              Alexey Sommer 3 October 2020 09: 50
              +1
              Quote: sabakina
              What kind of weapons do they have that hit the bull's-eye from the first shot?

              So it's not the king of the cannon, it's clear ..
              Even the ancient D-30 howitzer is quite capable of this, if the coordinates are there.
              Here is something else, most likely, let the specialists clarify. what
              1. donavi49
                donavi49 3 October 2020 10: 10
                +2
                MAM-L. It is clearly visible on night videos. This is a cheap but functional ammunition. He does not have a full-fledged GOS, a cheap semi-active for a laser. 22kg bomb weight / 10kg warhead - there is a land mine with ready-made striking elements and a tandem cumulative.

                1. maktub
                  maktub 3 October 2020 10: 38
                  -1
                  On our resources, it is assumed that a large number of equipment was knocked out by Israeli Spike NLOS
                  1. Oquzyurd
                    Oquzyurd 3 October 2020 11: 31
                    0
                    Technique knocked out with MAM-L, "Harop" and "Orbiter" kamikaze drones (Zerbe)
                    1. maktub
                      maktub 3 October 2020 11: 35
                      -1
                      Question: - in the morning they write that a massive Armed Forces of Azerbaijan has been launched along the entire front line, can you confirm?
                      1. Oquzyurd
                        Oquzyurd 3 October 2020 18: 49
                        0
                        I just received news that the Azerbaijani Armed Forces took the city of Agdere (Mardakert)
          2. stoqn477
            stoqn477 3 October 2020 10: 01
            +1
            My guess is that the maximum ceiling is only achieved when used for reconnaissance. In some cases, which are shown with a direct hit of equipment and a crowd of people, I strongly doubt that this can be achieved with a direct hit from a projectile. I can't believe the precision of an artillery strike. I think then in these cases the drone was used as a striking platform.
      2. Florian geyer
        Florian geyer 3 October 2020 17: 28
        0
        Yes, there is a small drone gunner, it is no longer visible at 100 meters, only a weak buzz
    2. Doccor18
      Doccor18 3 October 2020 08: 48
      +5
      ... that they don't hear him ?.



      So even the Wasp does not reach him, as you hear here ...
      1. aszzz888
        aszzz888 3 October 2020 08: 58
        +3
        Doccor18 (Alexander)
        Today, 08: 48

        0
        ... that they don't hear him ?.
        So even the Wasp does not reach him, as you hear here ...
        I don’t know what kind of missiles the Armenian side has, but a 7 km march is the maximum that can be squeezed out of the Wasp
        9K33-1T "Osa-1T"
        Belarusian version of modernization 9K33. Modernization works were started in 2001 by the Belarusian Research and Production Unitary Enterprise "Tetrahedr". For the first time, the air defense missile system was presented at the exhibitions of weapons "MSPO-2003" in Kielce and "MILEX-2003" in Minsk [20].

        The main differences from the basic version of "Osa-AK (M)":

        A new guidance system has been applied to the missile defense system, which allows it to hit aircraft at speeds up to 700 m / s at ranges up to 12 km and heights up to 7 km.
      2. stoqn477
        stoqn477 3 October 2020 10: 10
        0
        Despite the fact that newer air defense systems of the "Pantsir" type (not of the latest modifications), the drones are poorly visible and therefore cannot demolish what remains for antiques such as "Wasp" and "Arrow".
        1. ism_ek
          ism_ek 3 October 2020 10: 37
          +3
          Quote: stoqn477
          that newer "Pantsir" -type air defense systems (not the latest modifications) drones are poorly visible

          They are visible well. Bayraktar TB2 the size of the AN-2. And it flies no faster than him. Only Shell missiles at an altitude of 8 km cannot reach them. BUK for the destruction of Bayraktar TB2 is better suited. In Idlib, this complex fired 24 missiles, shot down 18 Bayraktar TB2s, although I doubt that the Syrians were sitting at the consoles ...
          The main advantage of Bayraktar TB2 is its American optics, which allows it to fully operate from an altitude of 8 km.
          1. stoqn477
            stoqn477 3 October 2020 10: 49
            0
            If an Arab begins to praise with the enemy equipment destroyed from him, I strongly doubt that this is true. As previously said, giving the Arab and the X-wing from Star Wars will try to lose again ...
            Perhaps you're right about the Shell. As for drone optics.
  • Livonetc
    Livonetc 3 October 2020 08: 28
    -13 qualifying.
    So maybe this is an imitation of the accumulation of manpower and equipment.
    A joint Armenian-Polish enterprise for the production of camouflage means and pneumatic models operates in Armenia.
    And Azerbaijan sees what it wants to see.
    1. Volodin
      Volodin 3 October 2020 08: 31
      20
      Quote: Livonetc
      So maybe this is an imitation of the accumulation of manpower and equipment.

      Are you saying that these shots are not people, but "imitation of people"? Clockwork mannequins or something ... Hmm ...
    2. halpat
      halpat 3 October 2020 08: 33
      +9
      Quote: Livonetc
      So maybe this is an imitation of the accumulation of manpower and equipment.
      A joint Armenian-Polish enterprise for the production of camouflage means and pneumatic models operates in Armenia.
      And Azerbaijan sees what it wants to see.

      cool imitation. two blows and 20 people to the next world, if not more.
      1. Livonetc
        Livonetc 3 October 2020 08: 38
        +2
        I agree.
        The video on the dacha Internet was not immediately watched.
      2. Alexey Sommer
        Alexey Sommer 3 October 2020 09: 03
        +2
        Quote: Halpat
        cool imitation. two blows and 20 people to the next world, if not more.

        19 people only in the first stroke.
        In the second, I didn't have time to count. But at least 10.
    3. aszzz888
      aszzz888 3 October 2020 08: 44
      +2

      Livonetc (Gennady)
      Today, 08: 28
      0
      So maybe this is an imitation of the accumulation of manpower and equipment.
      A joint Armenian-Polish enterprise for the production of camouflage means and pneumatic models operates in Armenia.
      And Azerbaijan sees what it wants to see.
      Unfortunately, people are dying, alive.
      1. Livonetc
        Livonetc 3 October 2020 08: 50
        +4
        Unfortunately, in this case, violence can only be stopped by violence.
        Physical or political.
        There will never be clarity of mind and humanism in the issue of territorial ownership.
        This is inherent in a person at the level of instincts.
        To start the path to peace, you must first offer options for a compromise ..
        This is most likely an exchange of territories.
        However, so far the parties do not accept this in any form.
        1. aszzz888
          aszzz888 3 October 2020 09: 03
          +2

          Livonetc (Gennady)
          Today, 08: 50

          0
          Unfortunately, in this case, violence can only be stopped by violence.
          Physical or political.
          There will never be clarity of mind and humanism in the issue of territorial ownership.
          This is inherent in a person at the level of instincts.
          To start the path to peace, you must first offer options for a compromise ..
          This is most likely an exchange of territories.
          However, so far the parties do not accept this in any form.
          I agree. We understand that. But those who started this conflict (or war), they have other considerations for the campaign. And even heated from the outside.
        2. atalef
          atalef 3 October 2020 09: 05
          -6
          Quote: Livonetc
          To begin the path to peace, you must first offer options for a compromise.

          what compromise would you suggest?
          1. Livonetc
            Livonetc 3 October 2020 09: 11
            +1
            Already suggested the obvious from "my bell tower".
            This is a section of disputed territories.
            Another option, which is even less likely, is a referendum with the participation of Azerbaijani refugees.
            Both options are problematic.
            But otherwise the war "to the bitter end."
            And as a result, a huge number of deaths and continued hatred and bloodshed.
            1. atalef
              atalef 3 October 2020 09: 16
              +1
              Quote: Livonetc
              This is a section of disputed territories.

              these territories are not disputed - they belong to Azerbaijan and are occupied by Armenia.
              In my understanding, only the exchange of territories is possible - you want Karabakh (Armenians) - well, give an equivalent piece to Armenia
              Quote: Livonetc
              Another option, which is even less likely, is a referendum with the participation of Azerbaijani refugees.

              referendum? A question of a referendum? Should Armenians leave Karabakh?
              Since when is the solution of territorial issues that belonged to the state decided by the inhabitants of this territory?
              Quote: Livonetc
              But otherwise the war "to the bitter end."

              Byvaye and such
              Quote: Livonetc
              And as a result, a huge number of deaths and continued hatred and bloodshed.

              Yes . so it will be. and this is the same one of the options to achieve the goal.
              1. Florian geyer
                Florian geyer 3 October 2020 17: 32
                0
                Ha. So Voroshilov and so in 1920 Turkey gave half of Armenia. Moreover, it was occupied by our troops before.
        3. Alexey Sommer
          Alexey Sommer 3 October 2020 09: 10
          +5
          Quote: Livonetc
          To start the path to peace, you must first offer options for a compromise ..
          This is most likely an exchange of territories.

          These are Caucasians! What compromises Gennady ?! Only when one already has a flow, then it will give up.
          If Russia does not intervene, the Armenians will not be thrown at this time, with no options. And no Iskander will help. By the way, Baku also has it.
          Azerbaijan is not off the hook, it started it.
          Of course, this is a terrible misfortune, but the Armenians have no one to blame but themselves.
          Notice.
          Ukraine - Maidan - war.
          Armenia - Maidan - war.
          Belarus - Maidan - ... I would not like to continue.
          1. Livonetc
            Livonetc 3 October 2020 09: 17
            10
            I am partly Caucasian by blood.
            I have Russian, German, Ossetian and Austrian blood in me.
            My uncle is Georgian (husband of my father's sister).
            I really like the real people of Georgia, with whom I communicated as a child in the mountain villages near Kutiasi.
            By the way.
            We form our opinion about Caucasians based on those representatives who abandoned their homeland in search of a better life.
            Those who stayed in their homeland often have very different qualities from those who left.
            I will always remember grandfather Gregory and grandmother Facita, whose house was burned down during the events in Georgia.
            1. Alexey Sommer
              Alexey Sommer 3 October 2020 09: 18
              +5
              Quote: Livonetc
              We form our opinion about Caucasians based on those representatives who abandoned their homeland in search of a better life.

              I didn't mean that they are bad ..
              Just hot, and you can't bake an egg in your butt. So they go to waste. hi
          2. atalef
            atalef 3 October 2020 09: 18
            -3
            Quote: Alexey Sommer
            If Russia doesn’t intervene, Armenians will be stuck this time, no options

            Why should Russia intervene? Armenia is actually an occupier in this case
            Quote: Alexey Sommer
            Armenia - Maidan - war.

            Armenia - seizure of the territory of Azerbaijan - war - that sounds right.
            Quote: Alexey Sommer
            Ukraine - Maidan - war.

            Ukraine is our Crimea, Strelkov in Donbass is a war - this is how it should sound.
            Quote: Alexey Sommer
            Belarus - Maidan - ..

            Old Man is a dictator, election fraud - Maidan.
            1. Alexey Sommer
              Alexey Sommer 3 October 2020 09: 24
              +3
              Quote: atalef
              Ukraine is our Crimea, Strelkov in Donbass is a war - this is how it should sound.

              Quote: atalef
              Old Man is a dictator, election fraud - Maidan.

              Alexander categorically greetings! hi
              We are with you on these issues, unfortunately ideological opponents.
              But the pattern is obvious.
              1. atalef
                atalef 3 October 2020 09: 47
                -4
                Quote: Alexey Sommer
                Alexander categorically greetings!

                Mutually hi
                Quote: Alexey Sommer
                We are with you on these issues, unfortunately ideological opponents.

                well, there is no ideology here
            2. kiborg
              kiborg 3 October 2020 10: 00
              +9
              Jerusalem is Palestine, the Golan is Syria.
              1. borberd
                borberd 3 October 2020 10: 27
                -3
                Jerusalem is Israel. The Arabs call it differently. The Golan was on the territory that the League of Nations gave under the creation of Israel, but the British, in violation of the mandate, gave the Golan to the French, who owned Lebanon and Syria. So also here in the milk.
                1. kiborg
                  kiborg 3 October 2020 10: 36
                  +6
                  Trump gave Jerusalem to the Jews without asking the Arabs. The Jews took the Golan from Syria and continue to illegally hold it, spitting on the UN decision to return the heights to the Syrians.
                  1. borberd
                    borberd 3 October 2020 10: 54
                    -3
                    Yes ? Yes, you are a noble historian. And I thought that the Jews recaptured Jerusalem in 1967, from the Jordanians who occupied it in 1948. From wiki - < The British Mandate for Palestine was due to take effect in September 1923, but England transferred the Golan Heights to France in March 1923, and they became part of the French Mandate for Syria and Lebanon. [4] [9]... >>
                    That is, the British gave the territory that did not belong to them to the French, and they gave it to the Syrians in 1944. So the Golan does not belong to the Syrians from the word - at all.
                    1. kiborg
                      kiborg 3 October 2020 11: 07
                      +4
                      You can’t trample on the chutzpah, so Tel Aviv must be returned to Turkey. Erdogan restores the Ottoman Empire ..
                      1. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 3 October 2020 16: 47
                        +3
                        Quote: kiborg
                        You can’t trample on the chutzpah, so Tel Aviv must be returned to Turkey. Erdogan restores the Ottoman Empire ..

                        So he can try to take it lol
                      2. Florian geyer
                        Florian geyer 3 October 2020 17: 35
                        +2
                        He thinks Yerevan will be easier to start with
                      3. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 3 October 2020 17: 57
                        +3
                        Because of Armenia’s membership in the CSTO, it doesn’t even come up. As in Israel, the Israelis modernized Turkish aircraft and tanks in the 90s, they also provided the basis for the production of drones. He is well aware of the possibilities of the Jews.
                2. aszzz888
                  aszzz888 3 October 2020 13: 37
                  0
                  borberd
                  Today, 10: 54
                  From the same wiki
                  The UN Security Council recognizes this territory as Syrian.
                  So at least they repented to the white and burst, but the FACT is the FACT !!! bully
                  1. borberd
                    borberd 3 October 2020 20: 55
                    +1
                    Yes, I am violet, all the envious and ill-wishers go through the forest with the acceleration of a hefty kick. Do you recognize all UN resolutions, or only those who are beneficial to you? Then take this one - UN Resolution A / RES / 68/262.
            3. paul3390
              paul3390 3 October 2020 18: 43
              +2
              Erdogan today clearly and clearly told you - Jerusalem is Turkey. Keep helping ..
              1. borberd
                borberd 3 October 2020 20: 59
                +1
                We are not helping the Turks, you are helping them - you are selling weapons, the Fuhrer was saved. And we have good relations with Azerbaijanis. The Armenians only half a year ago bothered to open an embassy with us. So there was no relationship with them, and not through our fault.
          3. atalef
            atalef 3 October 2020 13: 54
            +1
            Quote: kiborg
            Jerusalem is Palestine

            Jesus is Ukrainian
            Golan is Arabic.
          4. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar 3 October 2020 16: 43
            +4
            In fact, everything is funnier - Judea is Palestine, Ashkelon is Israel laughing
            Gaza, Ashdod, Ashkelon - Philistine cities (Philistines - immigrants from Crete), Judea - Jewish, Samaria - also not Arab))
            Golan - Jewish, Jerusalem about 3500 years ago was conquered by King David from the Ibusei, who later mixed with the Jews. The Arabian is Jazeera, the Arabian Peninsula. The rest is the occupied territories of the Copts, Berbers, Assyrians, etc.
        4. ruha
          ruha 3 October 2020 13: 40
          -1
          you dad have seen enough of gay propaganda!
  • Maki Avellevich
    Maki Avellevich 3 October 2020 09: 27
    0
    Quote: Livonetc
    How can it be an imitation of the accumulation of manpower and equipment.
    A joint Armenian-Polish enterprise for the production of camouflage means and pneumatic models operates in Armenia.

    yes, and rubber walking mock-ups of soldiers who scream Mother Bosca! when scattered during airstrikes.
  • halpat
    halpat 3 October 2020 08: 31
    +5
    Armenians will quickly learn to hide.
    but why had no one taught them before, at least told them? What is the CSTO for?
    or just a single tank biathlon ....?

    2 (two) hits and died before platoon.: ((
  • Pavlos Melas
    Pavlos Melas 3 October 2020 08: 34
    +6
    This conflict is so intense that 3 thousand that 30 thousand Azeris do not care about the land they want.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 3 October 2020 10: 22
      +1
      And yours lost 20 units of equipment overnight.
      1. Pavlos Melas
        Pavlos Melas 3 October 2020 13: 02
        +1
        The technique of iron people is a loss in every family, as the events of the Azeri show are ready to pay such a price. I think that if the Armenians want a successful development of events, they must inflict much larger losses.
        PS It is better, of course, that the shooting stops, but this is unlikely to happen.
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 3 October 2020 21: 24
          0
          If the Armenians want a successful development of events, they must inflict much larger losses. Every day they have less and less resources to do this.
          1. Pavlos Melas
            Pavlos Melas 3 October 2020 21: 40
            0
            Yes, I agree with you, if nothing radical happens now, then the Armenians will suffer defeat. If the Azeri control one road and crash another, plus if they have airspace control, then the logistics will decide everything. Even if the Armenians, one and all, will be ready to lie down without food and weapons.
  • The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 3 October 2020 08: 37
    +1
    During the time that the conflict continued to smolder and realizing that whenever it flared up, the Armenians could build a "Maginot Line" for themselves! With concrete shelters, pillboxes, trenches and so on. And judging by the video, it seems that they just yesterday decided to build a fortification from the boxes!
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 3 October 2020 08: 53
      +3
      So it can be seen the rear position. They have Dugouts. But it flies there too. Undermining in a confined space will even hurt more.


      Probably from quick tactics, in the last seconds, they should not crowd behind cover (for they will fly there) - but, on the contrary, scatter over the terrain at intervals of a couple of meters.
      1. Alexander Galaktionov
        Alexander Galaktionov 3 October 2020 09: 14
        +3
        Even more than 2 meters from 5-10 even from 10 m, here even in Donbas there was a video for a long time and there was not such an open area and then min 10m -15 m to visually observe a friend-friend Yesterday on YouTube Lostaramor posted a video on video from Azerbaijan's losses of Armenians and equipment and infantry, and so, where everyone is very much a handful and a lot of people more than 20-30 people with one blow, 10 people died (
      2. Alexander Galaktionov
        Alexander Galaktionov 3 October 2020 09: 19
        +7
        The Armenians posted the video on la watched with reinforcements there, by the way, and those 32 Azerbaijani soldiers who were killed.It is surprising that the Armenians had so much time in Karabakh, and they did not even disguise their position norms, at least they planted trees that grow rapidly
    2. Normal ok
      Normal ok 3 October 2020 09: 01
      +2
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      During the time that the conflict continued to smolder and realizing that whenever it flared up, the Armenians could build a "Maginot Line" for themselves! With concrete shelters, pillboxes, trenches and so on. And judging by the video, it seems that they just yesterday decided to build a fortification from the boxes!

      It is not clear why you were slapped with cons.
      PS. Fortifications were built, but apparently not enough.
      1. The leader of the Redskins
        The leader of the Redskins 3 October 2020 09: 06
        +3
        Oh, these are my personal "minusers" woke up.
        Here I am to them now GOOD MORNING, DEAR MINUSES! I will write, and they will hurry to put in a minus here too - without even reading the post! laughing
        1. Lipchanin
          Lipchanin 3 October 2020 10: 20
          -1
          Quote: Leader of the Redskins
          Oh, these are my personal "minusers" woke up.

          Yes, they were divorced by many like a bloke on a bobby
    3. Olezhek
      Olezhek 3 October 2020 09: 43
      -2
      During the time that the conflict continued to smolder and realizing that whenever it flared up, the Armenians could build a "Maginot Line" for themselves! With concrete shelters, bunkers


      And what kind of shisha?
      Behind the Maginot Line was the economic and industrial power of the world empire (France was a great power until 1940).
      What shishi to fence the line of Mkrtchan?
      Further - already in the middle of the 20th century, the Maginot line was not invulnerable
      At the beginning of the 21st century, with the development of means of destruction - all these pillboxes seem to be beautifully amazed

      By the way: the Armenians did build defense lines
      Although not so pretentious
      But let them tell themselves
      They know better.

      By the way, where are they?
      All gone to the front?
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 3 October 2020 10: 24
        +1
        Kamikaze drones bunkers bunkers cannot hit bunkers yet - but this is for now.
        1. Olezhek
          Olezhek 3 October 2020 10: 36
          0
          Kamikaze drones bunkers bunkers so far cannot hit


          What for??
          For such an expensive target, you can also connect heavy artillery
          Correction behind the drone.
          The combination of drone + heavy art makes most pillboxes and pillboxes quite vulnerable, no matter how much concrete you pour ...
  • Cop
    Cop 3 October 2020 08: 39
    +1
    If you watch these shots as "Aizer's", or Turkish UAVs exterminate Armenians with impunity, you understand that the same thing awaits the Russian army. And Mr. Shoigu tells us stories about successes in Syria. You read this: "Russian helicopters will be able to use kamikaze drones," and you just want to ask: "Mr. Shoigu, why still don't fly?"
    1. nnm
      nnm 3 October 2020 08: 47
      +9
      Well, do not start this topic on the tenth round ... well, why did you decide that the UAV is a panacea and a wunderwaffe? Do you see an effective saturation of the defense with air defense and electronic warfare systems? Air cover? The use of means of suppressing the bases of UAVs, etc.?
      And you shouldn't be talking about Syria in vain, because it is there that the tactics of using UAVs, and interaction, and testing of weapons are practiced.
      Doesn't compare God's gift to scrambled eggs
      1. Cop
        Cop 3 October 2020 10: 18
        0
        Quote: nnm
        ... well, why did you decide that the UAV is a panacea and a wunderwaffe? Do you see an effective saturation of the defense with air defense and electronic warfare systems? Air cover? The use of means of suppressing the bases of UAVs, etc.?
        A panacea, not a panacea, but works incl. and in Syria. And then, why did you decide that the enemy would use only UAVs? He, too, will apply the same thing. And it is unlikely that the bases of aviation will remain intact.
        Quote: nnm
        And you shouldn't be talking about Syria in vain, because it is there that the tactics of using UAVs, and interaction, and testing of weapons are practiced.
        I read this and immediately remembered the video in which a trickle of brake fluid was seen flowing out of the hydraulic system
        "Drying". And who did it? A small wooden airplane, slapped on its knee, barely staying in the air, the trajectory of which will not be difficult to calculate. Then she presented how Jews or Turks worked according to "Khmeimim". Vidio would probably be the same as here.
        Quote: nnm
        Doesn't compare God's gift to scrambled eggs
        Yes, I do not compare. It looks like you seriously think that Russia will be fought exclusively with drones ...
        1. nnm
          nnm 3 October 2020 10: 25
          +2
          I wanted to answer in detail, but after reading
          Quote: Cop
          Do you seriously think that Russia will be fought exclusively with drones ...

          I decided to say so (to be honest, I just changed other people's words) - I don't know how they will fight against Russia in the next war, but in the next they will fight with sticks and stones.
          1. Cop
            Cop 3 October 2020 10: 36
            -1
            Quote: nnm
            I decided to say so (to be honest, I just changed other people's words) - I don't know how they will fight against Russia in the next war, but in the next they will fight with sticks and stones.
            Well, well, blessed is he who believes. They will fight vilely and out of tishka with Russia. Remember how the Jews shot down our IL-20 beautifully. And that we are now fighting with sticks?
            1. nnm
              nnm 3 October 2020 10: 46
              0
              Dear colleague, I perfectly understand your position. But I ask you to understand correctly what I am saying - since Russia is again trying to challenge the unipolar hegemony of the United States, we must understand that the vassals of the United States will constantly test us for strength. And so far we cannot commensurately respond to the shooting down of our plane by Turkey, or by Israel, we must for the time being correspond to our real countermeasures.
              Everything has its own time and its own possibilities.
              The simplest example is that at one time we could not oppose anything to the destruction of Yugoslavia, but now? Agree, a different time and completely different possibilities ...
              And so in every question. Believe me, like you, I do not understand our kissing with Erdogan after our board, but I just hope that we have a more long-term plan for an answer ... such as the result of the well-known words about the expansion of the strait by reducing the area of ​​Turkish cities.
              Sincerely.
              1. Cop
                Cop 3 October 2020 21: 31
                0
                Quote: nnm
                Dear colleague, I perfectly understand your position.
                Well then, respected, if a colleague.
                Quote: nnm
                And so far we cannot adequately respond to the shooting down of our plane by Turkey, on il20 by Israel,
                Why can't we? We liquidated the command post of Turkish advisers in Idlib with our “caliber”, and the Krasnopol worked well. We could transfer something to the PKK, and they would gladly knock down something Turkish. Or, for example, conclude an agreement with Lebanon and give him ... BUK. Can you imagine how happy Hezbollah would be ...
                Quote: nnm
                The simplest example - at one time we could not oppose the destruction of Yugoslavia,
                Why couldn't they? Maybe you don't remember because of your age, but I remember how the assembly of Yugoslavia appealed to the RF Armed Forces, in my opinion, he was still, not a thought, with a request to admit Yugoslavia to Russia. Isn't it "our answer to Chamberlain"?
                Quote: nnm
                ... but I just hope we have a more long-term plan for a response ... like a summary of the well-known words about expanding the strait by reducing the area of ​​Turkish cities.
                I think there is no one plan except one - to make money. And who or what does not matter.
                Quote: nnm
                Sincerely.
                Mutually.
            2. miru mir
              miru mir 3 October 2020 12: 25
              0
              wow, in some heads the air defense of the Syrian brothers turned into Jews!
              1. Cop
                Cop 3 October 2020 21: 05
                0
                Quote: miru mir
                wow, in some heads the air defense of the Syrian brothers turned into Jews!

                Wow, and some heads for some reason believe that traffic violations do not lead to fatal accidents.
                1. miru mir
                  miru mir 3 October 2020 21: 49
                  -1
                  DD I understand this as road traffic?
                  wow, some heads of the military operation in the air are transferred to the plane of traffic rules smile
                  1. Cop
                    Cop 4 October 2020 10: 48
                    0
                    Quote: miru mir
                    DD I understand this as road traffic?
                    You understand correctly.
                    Quote: miru mir
                    wow, some heads of the military operation in the air are transferred to the plane of traffic rules smile
                    And what to do if some heads spit on the international aviation rules for flying in airspace.
                    1. miru mir
                      miru mir 4 October 2020 14: 57
                      0
                      some heads received from some other heads the task to hit the road into the mouth of an erupting volcano and look at what and how. at the same time, one more head, the ones that spewed out, landed these very winding ones. both these and those did not observe the so-called SDA completely, and for some reason they are looking for the extreme on the sides and at the same time make a goat's face. very interesting, oga. what is even more interesting, the senders trained those very ejaculations.
                      and the heads, conducting the military operation in the air, by that time were already drinking at the base of coffee.
                      1. Cop
                        Cop 4 October 2020 22: 04
                        0
                        Quote: miru mir
                        some heads received from some other heads the task to hit the road into the mouth of an erupting volcano and look at what and how.
                        That's right, only they have previously agreed with some heads who like to conduct military operations in the air, that while they are hanging these on the ground. But no, they spent and thus deliberately violated Traffic regulations
                        Quote: miru mir
                        ... they make a goat's face.
                        And some make a goat's face to excuse their war criminals. And some of the heads who carried out the operation in the air, when they realized what they had done, put them in their pants and quickly sat down in what they were carrying out and flew to the head that gave the task to hit the road, praying to themselves that this head would I didn’t put it in that mouth.
                        Quote: miru mir
                        and the heads, conducting the military operation in the air, by that time were already drinking at the base of coffee.
                        These heads at this time dangled near Cyprus, except for one. And if they immediately rushed to their historical homeland, they would have to fly through the airspace of the spewing out, but even in this case, they would only fly up to their cafeteria ...
                      2. miru mir
                        miru mir 5 October 2020 08: 24
                        0
                        Russia has already secured all the documents and evidence, but there were no shmogs to switch from the "goat's face" mode laughing
                      3. Cop
                        Cop 6 October 2020 09: 36
                        0
                        Quote: miru mir
                        Russia has already secured all the documents and evidence, but there were no shmogs to switch from the "goat's face" mode laughing

                        And some heads, in order to preserve the side-locks, even change their surname, and then some papers ... laughing
                      4. miru mir
                        miru mir 6 October 2020 19: 18
                        0
                        blown away) well, okay
  • Nastia makarova
    Nastia makarova 3 October 2020 08: 49
    -2
    Drones are not our thing
    1. nnm
      nnm 3 October 2020 08: 53
      +6
      Why, Anastasia !? It's just that drones are just one item from the required nomenclature. Don't think that let's urgently rivet the drones and then we will defeat everyone. It is necessary to understand both the strategy from the application, and the prospects for counteraction, changes in the staff structure, production potential. Correctly, colleagues write - the United States has the most powerful fleet of UAVs, and 98% of their combat work falls on manned aircraft. For the quality is incomparably higher. And it turns out that the priority so far is for manned aircraft. On the path of saturation we are going.
      1. Nastia makarova
        Nastia makarova 3 October 2020 08: 58
        -1
        And here without aviation, I wonder if there is a map of military operations? Who has advanced how much
        1. nnm
          nnm 3 October 2020 09: 05
          +3
          In the headquarters, there are, of course. But I could not find something close to reality with plotting the dynamics of the operational situation. But it can be judged by the occupation of the largest centers like Stepanakert, Martakert - everything remains with the Armenians.
          I think that given the mountainous terrain and the dominant heights occupied by the Armenians, plus the anti-Azerbaijani sentiments in the region, during a trench war, the Armenians will gradually knock Azerbaijan out of the territories occupied today.
          1. Nastia makarova
            Nastia makarova 3 October 2020 09: 09
            -2
            There is a website about Syria, everything is displayed online, in a couple of hours, everything is operational
            1. nnm
              nnm 3 October 2020 09: 15
              +3
              Honestly, Anastasia, when you don’t let information about the situation pass through yourself, when you don’t know TVd yourself, you don’t particularly believe in maps on websites and TV.
              We do not really know either the ratio of forces and means, or the design of operations .. And the situation can change as in that joke:
              "Entry in Chapaev's diary:" There was a battle, we knocked the whites out of the forest. The next day there was a very strong fight, the whites drove us out of the forest. On the third day, a forester came and drove all of us out of the forest. "
        2. nnm
          nnm 3 October 2020 09: 10
          +2
          Well, here and the parties have different trump cards. Some are massively hooked on UAVs, while others have built a classic echeloned defense. That is why this conflict is interesting (no matter how blasphemous it may sound) that variations of the blitzkrieg theory are used against multilevel defense
          1. Nastia makarova
            Nastia makarova 3 October 2020 09: 15
            -2
            I agree, any conflict is interesting for the General Staff
            1. nnm
              nnm 3 October 2020 09: 22
              +1
              Quite right, because it is better to learn from strangers, and not from your mistakes.
          2. iouris
            iouris 3 October 2020 10: 07
            -2
            Quote: nnm
            That is why this conflict is interesting.

            In order to come to conclusions about the military-technical superiority of the enemy equipped with UAVs and high-precision weapons, exercises, especially war, are not needed. Those who did not provide the armed forces with UAVs, and the means of protection against the enemy's UAVs, are the culprits of future heavy losses of personnel and equipment in local conflicts. There remains only one option to avoid defeat: the threat of the use and use of nuclear weapons.
            1. Olezhek
              Olezhek 3 October 2020 10: 18
              -2
              Those who did not provide the armed forces with UAVs, and means of protection against enemy UAVs,


              Did I understand you correctly that you roll the barrel to the leadership of the RF Ministry of Defense in advance ?? belay
              1. iouris
                iouris 3 October 2020 11: 42
                -1
                You wrote it. The guilt is established by the court.
            2. nnm
              nnm 3 October 2020 10: 31
              +2
              Stop thinking so narrowly.
              What a conclusion?
              Quote: iouris
              There remains only one option to avoid defeat: the threat of the use and use of nuclear weapons.

              Well, why at least for the sake of? And do you no longer consider conventional countermeasures in the form of electronic warfare, air defense, aviation?
              And to what depth of defense did these UAVs inflict defeat? Well, tell us about the real ratio of losses in the conflict, etc.
              Enough already conclusions based on commercials
              1. iouris
                iouris 3 October 2020 11: 47
                0
                Quote: nnm
                And to what depth of defense did these UAVs inflict defeat?

                UAVs are an alternative to manned attack aircraft and attack helicopters. Other systems will work at depth. "Conventional countermeasures" against a swarm of drones, given the enemy's numerical superiority and virtually unlimited resources, need not be considered.
                1. nnm
                  nnm 3 October 2020 12: 36
                  0
                  Sorry, but do you seriously consider them an alternative at the present stage?
            3. Nastia makarova
              Nastia makarova 3 October 2020 11: 44
              -3
              That's good, Russia has protection
        3. Oquzyurd
          Oquzyurd 3 October 2020 09: 14
          -1
          There is no official map, but yesterday it was said that Mardakert (Agdere) was almost surrounded, according to rumors already occupied by the Azerbaijani Armed Forces, but they have not yet reported. Also, it was reported not of, the Armenians on the southern flank were encircled, near Fizuli. They have advanced powerfully, they have completely occupied the Murovdag mountains, they are advancing from all slopes. There is already occupied one main road (from two from Armenia to Karabakh). You can speculate on the map, I will not write more if I even knew.
          1. nnm
            nnm 3 October 2020 09: 23
            0
            Quote: Oquzyurd
            it was said yesterday that Mardakert (Agdere) is almost surrounded by

            It's like "a little pregnant", the Germans were also in Khimki near Moscow, and Leningrad was before the blockade ... "almost" does not happen in a war.
        4. donavi49
          donavi49 3 October 2020 09: 24
          0
          There are no normal objective colors yet. You can use this one, but it is pro-Azerbaijani. That is, it is quite exaggerated probably. However, in general, the areas of penetration and offensive +/- are correct.
    2. Cop
      Cop 3 October 2020 10: 20
      0
      Quote: Nastia Makarova
      Drones are not our thing
      Exactly, we seem to have no chips at all, except for the so-called. "Dagger", unless of course it's not tryndezh.
  • Vladimir_6
    Vladimir_6 3 October 2020 09: 05
    +3
    Quote: Cop
    If you watch these shots as "Aizer's", well, or Turkish UAVs are exterminating Armenians with impunity, and you understand that the same thing awaits the Russian army.

    The Russian army has completely different resources and other capabilities.
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 3 October 2020 09: 20
      +1
      Up to 60% of air defenses in this niche are exactly the same Wasps. Probably in the best technical equipment, due to more or less regular maintenance, verification, repair + the crews have more experience in shooting at ranges. However, this is the same complex, with the same radar, with the same missile.

      That is, more than every second column or position - it is quite possible to appear on such videos.
      Beeches will not always be able to cover, especially in difficult terrain.
      Aviation - so the other side has a powerful fly swatter in the person of Buk-MB on 9M317 with ACS Polyana and radar 80K6M. As for the aircraft, this complex is tough, fully loaded. Well, S-300PMU2 in large quantities, for such a territory.
      1. PSih2097
        PSih2097 3 October 2020 09: 42
        +3
        In general, the Thor, which is in Armenia, would be better suited for the fight against drones.
      2. sektant777
        sektant777 4 October 2020 06: 45
        0
        Diluted whining here.
        In the event of a large-scale war, all these control centers and repeaters, together with the UAV operators, will be cut down in the very first days. Signal sources are easily identified with proper EW and reconnaissance work.

        As for Armenia, we have now taken a pause to educate Pashinyan and all this Maidan public. "Well, son? Did your Poles help you?"
        So the Turks will wipe themselves with blood tears here.
    2. Cop
      Cop 3 October 2020 10: 26
      +1
      Quote: Vladimir_6
      The Russian army has completely different resources and other capabilities.
      You are right, but judging by the result of the war of the “three eights”, it’s not noticeable that she knows how to use them.
      1. PSih2097
        PSih2097 3 October 2020 17: 52
        0
        Quote: Cop
        You are right, but judging by the result of the war of the “three eights”, it’s not noticeable that she knows how to use them.

        She (the Army) knows how to use everything, at least the officers (who have served for a couple of years), and the NCOs are now being driven into training / retraining, but what should be (equipment) and how it should be studied in the troops (the method of training the personnel ), as well as the tactics of its application - this is another matter, a matter of great importance in my opinion, but in the opinion of the Ministry of Defense it is secondary ...
        1. Cop
          Cop 3 October 2020 21: 01
          +1
          Quote: PSih2097
          ...., as well as the tactics of its application - this is another matter, a matter very important in my opinion, but in the opinion of the Ministry of Defense it is secondary ...
          Isn't the ability to use an integral part of the application tactics? winked
      2. Vladimir_6
        Vladimir_6 4 October 2020 09: 51
        0
        Quote: Cop
        Quote: Vladimir_6
        The Russian army has completely different resources and other capabilities.
        You are right, but judging by the result of the war of the “three eights”, it’s not noticeable that she knows how to use them.

        What's wrong with the results? Roki tunnel under the control of Russia. The Black Sea coast of Abkhazia too. And the "partners" got trophies. And now they have gained serious experience in Syria. hi
        1. Cop
          Cop 4 October 2020 10: 40
          +2
          Quote: Vladimir_6
          What's wrong with the results? Roki tunnel under the control of Russia. The Black Sea coast of Abkhazia too. And the "partners" got trophies. And now they have gained serious experience in Syria. hi
          So our losses were unacceptable. We lost four aircraft, one of which was the Tu-22M. The commander was wounded. Electronic warfare systems, the development of the 60s, which the Americans supplied to the Georgians, completely suppressed our connection. Our commanders had to communicate by mobile phones. And with the help of the Americans, the Georgians were listening to it all. And trophies ....., is a hummer a trophy? Yes, there were reports that some kind of secret equipment fell into our hands. But how much this all corresponds to reality I do not presume to judge. Now imagine that the Turkish army would have been in place of the Georgian ...
          1. Vladimir_6
            Vladimir_6 4 October 2020 18: 57
            0
            Quote: Cop
            So our losses were unacceptable. We lost four aircraft, one of which was the Tu-22M. The commander was wounded.

            Yes, they suffered losses, but as a result they acquired the Roki tunnel and the coast of Abkhazia.
            Now imagine that the Turkish army would have been in place of the Georgian ...

            Introduced. The assigned tasks would be solved by other means.
            1. Cop
              Cop 4 October 2020 21: 43
              +1
              Quote: Vladimir_6
              Yes, they suffered losses, but as a result they acquired the Roki tunnel and the coast of Abkhazia.
              I read this and immediately came to mind: "If you want to ruin the country - give it a cruiser" or .... the coast of Abkhazia. :).
              Quote: Vladimir_6
              Introduced. The assigned tasks would be solved by other means.
              And with other losses.
  • Mwg
    Mwg 3 October 2020 09: 30
    +1
    In the garden of elderberry, in Kiev, uncle ...
  • Nadrub
    Nadrub 3 October 2020 09: 38
    -1
    Yes, we have everything :) but we will not show them to you!
    https://youtu.be/R0NHo5yVXP4
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  • viktor_ui
    viktor_ui 3 October 2020 09: 04
    11
    Really hard video and Pity of the young murdered. Do not flatter yourself with hopes that there are only dummies and mannequins-fedors. Only one conclusion suggests itself ... Armenia DOES NOT CONTROL the airspace from the word at all. All the shouts that several dozen drones were shot down there are incorrect, because the drone is a combat consumable, which is stamped on a conveyor belt, and this conveyor, UNIFORMALLY, will grind remotely as the tactical skill of a combat unit detected by it (tank, firing position, column on the march, etc. .) and patriotism. The Armenian troops are blind and deaf and this is a fait accompli and are not able to effectively deal with UAVs (reconnaissance, spotter, kamikaze) at any time of the day. But their opponent is devoid of such a DISADVANTAGE. It sounds more and more like a beating. My personal opinion is that Azerbaijan is quite confidently pushing through the protection of the outer perimeter of Karabakh. This is all a prelude to the main blow, because Armenia is a technologically backward country in comparison with Azerbaijan. Damn, they even have An-2 UAVs for opening the opponent's air defense. It's sad, I want to go to the USSR.
    1. Mwg
      Mwg 3 October 2020 09: 32
      +4
      But Pashinyan said a couple of months ago that Armenia is an independent country with an independent policy and expressed doubts about the need for a Russian military base on its territory.
      1. Olezhek
        Olezhek 3 October 2020 09: 47
        -1
        and expressed doubts about the need for a Russian military base on its territory


        The Azerbaijani offensive just like a Kansas hurricane dispelled his doubts ...
        but he is a strategist, yes, powerful ...
        1. donavi49
          donavi49 3 October 2020 10: 02
          +5
          Or not. Well, now he even recognizes Crimea, even opens the embassy in Donetsk in exchange for interference. However, a month after graduation, it will again return to Euro-Atlantic rails and squeeze out the base in exchange for grants.
          1. Olezhek
            Olezhek 3 October 2020 10: 44
            -2
            Or not. Well, now he at least recognizes Crimea, at least opens the embassy in Donetsk in exchange for interference


            It's too late and unnecessary.
            For Pashinyan, everything is already very late.
            Where was he before?
            When was the fighting in Syria?
            And now - pamagite !?
        2. Captain Pushkin
          Captain Pushkin 3 October 2020 11: 05
          +4
          Quote: Olezhek
          and expressed doubts about the need for a Russian military base on its territory


          The Azerbaijani offensive just like a Kansas hurricane dispelled his doubts ...
          but he is a strategist, yes, powerful ...

          If Aliyev had waited until the closure of the Russian base in Armenia and its withdrawal from the CSTO (and that was the case) and only after that began the offensive, the situation would have been very different.
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  • APASUS
    APASUS 3 October 2020 09: 27
    +4
    Now the events will be influenced by another important fact, the readiness of medical institutions to accept the load, because according to statistics, for every 200 there are three 300. That for one it will be possible to compare the modern level of medicine in two countries of the former USSR and see what the independent
  • _Ugene_
    _Ugene_ 3 October 2020 09: 29
    +1
    I hope our General Staff is shaking his head what an advantage can be given by attack drones and kamikaze drones, in Karabakh and in Syria this was clearly demonstrated
  • 7,62h54
    7,62h54 3 October 2020 09: 44
    0
    This is a war, not a showdown at the scene of an accident, where they stand in a crowd and make the culprit out of the injured party. Here you need to lower, quieter, more imperceptible.
    I hope the work is already underway, let them learn from others' mistakes, rather than from their own.
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 3 October 2020 10: 00
      +4
      They operate according to the Soviet textbook. You hear the sound of arrivals - take up a fortified / boned position with your comrades. The chance that it will fly there is minimal. But if you lie down on the position - then a good half of the l / s will be cut / disabled.

      In the new conditions, against UAVs, such regulations are harmful and deadly.
  • Dikson
    Dikson 3 October 2020 09: 49
    0
    Beating of minors, not war, If in Syria, according to ours, pro-Turkish barmaley also work, then this is complete tin ...
    1. Nastia makarova
      Nastia makarova 3 October 2020 11: 50
      -3
      It doesn't work for the Syrians either, but with the Russians.
  • Blue fox
    Blue fox 3 October 2020 09: 58
    +4
    Of course, the rule of more than 3 not to get together is difficult, and not so necessary, but when groups of 5-10 personnel stand in broad daylight and do nothing, moreover, even without personal weapons, and there is a lot of work around (cracks , trenches, ditches for ammunition to dig, false sheds with empty ammunition boxes to arrange, mask positions, clean weapons, dig a toilet, etc.) and besides, they are also on WAR, albeit in some rear. .. Here, normal KOs and ZKVs should have an attack of uncontrollable rabies, and the platoon commander should begin total repression.
  • Captain Pushkin
    Captain Pushkin 3 October 2020 10: 32
    +4
    Quote: 1976AG
    Quote: _Ugene_
    do not rush, it is not evening yet

    So they have been fighting for a week ...

    The United States with its allies in 1991 for more than a month ironed Iraq from the air before the offensive.
  • Silvio
    Silvio 3 October 2020 10: 43
    +4
    Quote: Oquzyurd
    Turks are not an enemy to Russia, but an ally.

    I would like it to be so, but it does not work. The Turks also have an imperial cultural code and neither Russia, nor the West, nor Iran need their strengthening in the Transcaucasus. Gorbachev also wanted to merge with the West, did not even sign an agreement with them on the non-proliferation of NATO to the east, and the West would have signed this agreement in exchange for the withdrawal of troops from Europe. Even Putin is going to join the EU and NATO because Russian elites do not want to fight in the confrontation with the West, but want to get rich, have real estate and accounts abroad, want to transfer power and wealth to their children by inheritance. But nothing came of this, geopolitics is developing according to its own laws, and Turkey and Russia can play along with each other in this complex game, but they will not be allies. Also, how not to be allies of Russia and the West.
  • Yaro Polk
    Yaro Polk 3 October 2020 10: 46
    0
    That those-that those Russophobes somehow ...
  • Yaro Polk
    Yaro Polk 3 October 2020 10: 47
    0
    They look at the sky at all
  • Skarpzd
    Skarpzd 3 October 2020 11: 01
    +1
    Quote: Oquzyurd
    The trouble for many is that they do not understand that the Turks are not an enemy, but an ally to Russia. And, as they argued, it is closer to your Krasnodar from the Turkish border (near Batumi) than from Azerbaijan. Bratsk relations between Azerbaijan and Turkey should not irritate, but on the contrary, it can be very beneficially used for Russia. It is not necessary to think in terms of the 19-20 centuries, the world is changing, it would be necessary to rebuild and look at the world of the 21st century. If you don't "gouge your eyes out" to us Azerbaijanis, to put it mildly, then Azerbaijan will continue to be friendly, somewhere pro-Russian.

    smiled. Turkey is an ally of the Russian Federation ... it is necessary to blurt out such a thing)))
  • miru mir
    miru mir 3 October 2020 11: 29
    0
    Quote: Nastia Makarova
    on both sides killed by thousands

    carry proofs
    1. Nastia makarova
      Nastia makarova 3 October 2020 12: 17
      -4
      Take all videos in 6 days and count
      1. miru mir
        miru mir 3 October 2020 12: 34
        0
        I do not have such a powerful experience - counting losses on YouTube videos love
        1. Nastia makarova
          Nastia makarova 3 October 2020 13: 53
          -4
          That's in vain, then don't argue about losses !!!
          1. miru mir
            miru mir 3 October 2020 21: 54
            -1
            I don't argue with you love
            write at least one hundred thousand, why should they be sorry wink
  • Last centurion
    Last centurion 3 October 2020 11: 56
    +1
    Yes, everything is going as it should go with such a balance of aviation. namely drones. Azerbaijan has 16 such as percussion apparatus for the Armenians zero. intelligence is also superior. You can have as many obsolete cans as you like (tanks, air defense of Soviet times), but if there is no air superiority, then they very quickly turn into bonfires, not to mention soldiers or generals (there is a video of how they get into the headquarters tent). this is a new century, a new war. war of drones and AI that will easily shoot down any pilots, tankmen, artillerymen, etc. (absolutely). simply because the drones are smaller in terms of EPR, they are more maneuverable in terms of overloads and the AI ​​thinks faster than a person, does not get tired and does not have emotional throwing and, say, an itchy nose or left heel :). even sitting in a comfortable chair, the drone operator does not feel discomfort from overload or fear for life and is more effective in roasting the enemy than if he was in the cockpit
    1. Dikson
      Dikson 3 October 2020 15: 08
      +1
      And imagine how many decommissioned combat pilots can be returned to the sky by putting them in control of drones? How many crippled (for example, with leg injuries) military can be given the opportunity to take revenge on the enemy and simply provide an opportunity to serve further, and not drag out an incomprehensible existence ... But here ... if the development - then it must be "unparalleled in the world "if the steamer is, of course, the largest in the world ... We already went through this in the pre-war years .. and then heroically designed and assembled weapons in workshops under the open sky ...
  • svoit
    svoit 3 October 2020 12: 15
    0
    Quote: Oquzyurd
    Another 3-4 days, everything, all the defense will fall apart completely

    It is quite likely ... In a week they will clear the defense from heavy equipment and the brought Syrians will go into action, they will not take experience, and no one will count them, the Azerbaijani art will hit the rear and the infantry will go after the Syrians, and they will slowly push through the defense, more in a week. Miracles most likely will not happen.
    Quote: Oquzyurd
    One thing I don't understand is what Azerbaijan did bad to you

    But it’s not difficult to understand, you still didn’t want to reconcile with the Armenians or recognize the independence of the NKR. And then they had to do it, and there was more time and opportunities. The ethnic purity option is not suitable initially. But in fact, everything goes to this.
  • saylor1971
    saylor1971 3 October 2020 12: 39
    +1
    Quote: Fungus
    Why don't the entire world Armenian diaspora throw in the air defense and electronic warfare systems? So they will be hammered from the UAV.

    Will not help. Now systems are in operation, not individual weapons. For example, there is a grouping of troops covered by a Reptilent and air defense (Armor). The enemy's RER reconnaissance reveals these complexes within seconds after switching on. After that, artillery or long-range WTO works out on them. After the destruction (suppression) of electronic warfare and air defense systems, UAVs of all types come into play and finish off the ground component (you have all seen the results). Only strike aircraft with good detection and target designation systems controlled by automated command and control systems can save against such tactics. Control and target designation in time close to real. At the same time, aviation controls the air and ground space. Air defense is only a temporary defensive measure (the location is quickly opened, ammo is limited, fire control systems can be oversaturated with false (and not only) targets, and air defense military systems should be placed relatively close to the enemy's MLRS and long-range artillery positions to cover the front line).
  • fif21
    fif21 3 October 2020 12: 46
    0
    They are still fighting according to the regulations of the USSR Armed Forces, but the military realities are already different! hi
  • ruha
    ruha 3 October 2020 13: 01
    0
    Quote: Oquzyurd
    One thing I don't understand is what Azerbaijan did bad to you

    CSTO! At a time when it is necessary to take which side, then Russia will have to take the side of Armenia, whether we want it or not. it's a contract! and it makes no difference who is right or wrong.
    1. iouris
      iouris 3 October 2020 14: 39
      0
      Quote: ruha
      Russia will have to side with Armenia

      To get started, take the trouble to study this agreement.
  • vitvit123
    vitvit123 3 October 2020 16: 38
    +1
    Quote: atalef
    Ukraine is our Crimea, shooters in Donbass are war

    Ukraine - who does not jump that Moskal - Moskolyak on Gilyak - Our Crimea - Shooters in Donbass - war .. that's how it sounds right! Why does everyone delicately forget the moskolyak on the gilyak, etc. , in the beginning there was this, and only then Crimea.
  • Scorpio05
    Scorpio05 3 October 2020 19: 33
    0
    Quote: aszzz888

    sergey32 (Sergey)
    Today, 08: 30

    +1
    And in Karabakh, a deep rear is generally possible?

    Well, since there is an area, then there are rear areas. Which are not what, but are.
    Geography of the Nagorno-Karabakh Republic
    map: Geography of the Nagorno-Karabakh Republic
    Part of the light Asia
    Region Karabakh Highlands (part of the Armenian Highlands)
    Area
    11 500 km²
    water: 2%
    land: 98%
    Borders Azerbaijan, Armenia, Iran
    Highest point 3 724 m Gamysh

    What is the ... "Nagorno-Karabakh Republic"? What nonsense.
    People, do you know why it is written in the Armenian information above that the area of ​​this child of abortion is 11 sq. Km? In fact, the area of ​​the Nagorno-Karabakh Autonomous Oblast during the Soviet era was 500 sq. Km. You can check. Because these arrogant goblins by law (!) Included in this incomplete education ALL seven occupied (except for Nagorno-Karabakh) Azerbaijani regions, inhabited exclusively by Azerbaijanis before the occupation by Armenians. And they declared them their own de jure! Now you understand why the war is going on? I hope no one more naive pink snot about the need to talk will not be allowed. How to talk to THESE?
  • SSR
    SSR 3 October 2020 21: 28
    0
    Quote: Vitaly Gusin
    The Minister expressed his conviction that these measures will cool the "hot heads"
    AS YOU SEE IT TURNED OUT

    Tin is hard. Comrade, the military has bulged out and it is not they who agree, but the politicians and the express Bibi is a confirmation of this, he managed to agree, but Il keeps everything in his mind. Just politics, a long-term tool and not for woodcutters.
  • Vadim_888
    Vadim_888 3 October 2020 22: 20
    -1
    The Armenians need to follow the example of the gophers, individual minks should be dug and a lot, they noticed the UAV and the yurk in the burrow ... The gophers have developed a successful survival strategy against birds of prey ...
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    2. Nikolay Ivanov_5
      Nikolay Ivanov_5 5 October 2020 00: 09
      0
      Quote: Antony Could
      Ukraynaya şan! Düşmənlərə ölüm!


      Are you a terrorist by any chance ???
  • tank64rus
    tank64rus 4 October 2020 16: 05
    0
    And where are the air defense, camouflage, engineering equipment of positions, where are chemists with their fumes, etc. Where are just designated air watchers. This is the alphabet of military affairs. If this is a militia fighting and then for this it is necessary to deprive of positions, well, if it is a "personnel" army, then we have fallen far from the training of the Soviet Army.