Destruction of a bridge over the river connecting Armenia with Nagorno-Karabakh reported

The bridge across the Akar River connecting Armenia with Artsakh (Nagorno-Karabakh) was destroyed by a bombing strike by the Azerbaijani army. It is assumed that a high-precision guided bomb was used.

This was reported by the Operational Headquarters of the unrecognized Nagorno-Karabakh Republic.

In addition, a series of strikes was struck against the capital of Artsakh, Stepanakert. There are wounded among the civilian population of the city. Civilian infrastructure was damaged, and the rescue service suffered.

Such a message came from Vahram Poghosyan, the press secretary of the President of Nagorno-Karabakh Araik Harutyunyan, who threatened Baku with a "proportionate response."

There will be a proportionate response, for which the Aliyev family will bear full responsibility.

- said in a message on Facebook.

Meanwhile, the Armenian Defense Ministry claims that the military of the republic managed to destroy an unmanned aerial vehicle and an enemy aircraft. Before that, about a dozen more Azerbaijani drones, including, according to the Armenian military, even not far from Yerevan. The Azerbaijani side urges not to believe these reports.

Now martial law is in force in Nagorno-Karabakh and Armenia. The situation along the entire contact line is extremely tense.

In a small Azerbaijani village on the border with Artsakh, shells fell. As a result, several residential buildings were destroyed.

The Armenian Foreign Ministry stated that Yerevan is ready to start negotiations with Baku on the cessation of hostilities in accordance with the principles of the OSCE Minsk Group. Azerbaijan replies that no negotiations are possible until the Armenians leave Nagorno-Karabakh and seven adjacent regions.

Comments

[master 52]

it's bad that the bridge was broken

[Insurgent]

Destruction of a bridge over the river connecting Armenia with Nagorno-Karabakh reported

Apparently this event is meant. Here are only the Akar river (in the text) and Hakari (in the video)

[horus88]

Lucky the driver, a minute later the end would arrive

[sabakina]

Quote: horus88

Lucky the driver, a minute later the end would arrive

Drove or suicide or blind. A normal person would have a self-preservation instinct.

[Stas 2rep]

He doesn't care, he's in the field.

[Azis]

Quote: Insurgent

Akar (in text) and Hakari

One and the same river, just differently named - Akar is an Azerbaijani name

[Nikanet]

Azerbaijani name Hekeri.

[Tavi]

there are a lot of high-quality videos of fecs now ... it is embarrassing that the driver did not stop ... and if you look closely, the projectile flies to one place - an explosion in another (to the right) and the trees from the explosion somehow did not sway

[sgr]

Strange video. The car kept going in the direction of the explosion.

[techpriest]

This video is a fake with an explosion. In the cart he had long been sucked from all sides. And the Varkors, the same WarGonzo, which is now there, does not confirm the reliability.

[svp67]

Quote: master 52

it's bad that the bridge was broken

Well, you always have to be prepared for this. Let's see how the engineering troops of Armenia will show themselves now, the air defense troops are not very bright yet ...

[Albay]

Hi, is there a difference?

[Alekseev]

Quote: svp67

you always have to be ready for this

That's right!
That's why the war is to break bridges.
But the numerous videos and reports from both sides are mostly good for propaganda. In Baku, these video clips are played on monitors at bus stops to cheer up. In Yerevan, perhaps, too.
But video recording of ammunition hits on targets cannot serve as a true assessment of the situation at the front. Where it was filmed, when, hit the true target or layout, etc. A common man in the street does not guess, but he usually does not try. That's when the man in the street finds out that his acquaintance, a relative died in the war and there are many of them, and in the East rumors are multiplying better than anywhere else, no one will need video camera footage ... Immediately realizes that war is a foul business, that peace is needed etc. Unfortunately, until they sip on their blood and the city. The parties are not ready to make a compromise, without which in this case cannot be done ...
Here is the fact that the Armenians took Karabakh in the 90s and seven more regions confirms that then they definitely won and without any video.
And many or relatively few planes, UAVs, tanks and soldiers were destroyed with filming and without it it will be clear only when the result will emerge. For example, the storming of Stepanokert. Or, in another scenario, the retreat of the defeated Azerbaijani troops, who were unable to complete their tasks, to their starting position.

[Boris ⁣ Shaver]

Quote: Alekseev

He immediately understands that war is a foul business, that peace is needed, etc.

In this case, it will work to increase hatred and arouse the desire for revenge.

[Alekseev]

"Increased hatred ..."
Maybe. But the losers will have to shove it in the ass, there will simply be no other way out. Like the Germans, for example, and many others, including in interethnic conflicts.
For it is good to cultivate hatred and the thirst for revenge only by relying on power superiority, and people get tired of hatred, you just want to live in peace, and not exist, all the time expecting trouble on your head and the heads of your loved ones.

[nobody75]

For air defense "It's not evening yet ... The road is still bright and the eyes are clear." They behave competently ... They are waiting ...

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: svp67

Quote: master 52

it's bad that the bridge was broken

Well, you always have to be prepared for this. Let's see how the engineering troops of Armenia will show themselves now, the air defense troops are not very bright yet ...

What is there to show? The river is 25 meters wide. 30 meter diameter concrete (or gas pipelines), crushed stone filling and concrete slabs on top. Before big rains and floods it is quite a suitable crossing. In our North, gas workers threw such "temporary" bridges over forest rivers, when new pipelines were pulled, they are generally unkillable.
Another thing is bad here, namely that Baku as a condition designated that the Armenians should leave not only the territory of the seven disputed regions, but also the territory of Nagorno-Karabakh, which is impossible a priori, i.e. obviously unrealizable conditions were put forward. If these are Baku's demands, then this is short-sighted, unpromising, and therefore must be adjusted, and if these are Ankara's demands voiced through Baku, then this military conflict cannot be stopped in the near future, and it is necessary to expect the resumption of active b / actions in Idlib and Libya in order to stabilize Edik's mental state, which, apparently, is in the phase of an autumn aggravation.

[7,62x54]

What is the apricot now?

[Nikanet]

For someone's soul!

[nobody75]

Laura of Israel was used like ...

[Nasrat]

Or maybe a polonaise ??? ...
In general, it must be admitted that Azerbaijan approached the info war with a high quality. You cannot envy the Armenian units ... they are simply shot from the air ...

[WeAreNumerOne]

Shooting from the air is not an info war, but just a war - and a successful one

[Nasrat]

Quote: WeAreNumerOne

Shooting from the air is not an info war

I mean, the submission of information to the media about the shooting from the air ..

Here is another interesting photo of the Azerbaijani territory:

Pictures of An-2 aircraft of the Azerbaijani armed forces located at the Yevlakh airport have been published on the Internet. According to experts, Baku uses "unmanned" An-2s as decoys to detect the locations of enemy air defense facilities

[nobody75]

Excuse me, how do you imagine an "unmanned" corn plant?

[bobba94]

About three years ago I watched a video on YouTube about the Chinese drone FH 98. The name is FH 98, but in fact it is An-2.

[nobody75]

I readily believe ... You can stick an autopilot in a corn machine ... The question is why? Not the best platform for RTR ... And I have doubts that the Azerbaijani Air Force was motivated to such a feat ...

[Scorpio05]

In vain. You are looking at Azerbaijan through the prism of the 90s. Trends are changing. There are no military coups and confusion thanks to which the Armenians managed to seize the Azerbaijani territory. Azerbaijan has a trained, very disciplined and well-organized army, these are not the same territorial defense battalions that were in the 90s. Such an example, in 1905 the Japanese simply defeated the Russian troops, exactly 33 years later at Khasan, and a year later at Khalkhin Gol, the Soviet troops carried the Japanese out.

[nobody75]

I believe ... We're talking about An 2 in general, but he is 90s older ...

[Kostya Lavinyukov]

What's the difference to which cable to screw the servo. Any aircraft can be made remotely controlled

[nobody75]

Even with "alarm clocks"? Artificial intelligence with a high-resolution camera will read the readings ...

[Kostya Lavinyukov]

"Alarm clocks" can be replaced with new digital ones.

[nobody75]

I don't argue, I already wrote that it was estimated at $ 100

[Insurgent]

Quote: nobody75

I readily believe ... You can stick an autopilot in a corn machine ...The question why?

To use a biplane as a decoy target-provocateur in order to open the enemy's air defense system ...

[nobody75]

Are the swindlers full and ... sorry, stupid people? Will they see on the radar a huge barn with a speed of 200 km / h and will not understand who it is?

[Insurgent]

Quote: nobody75

Are the swindlers full and ... sorry, stupid people? Will they see on the radar a huge barn with a speed of 200 km / h and will not understand who it is?

You are obviously completely unfamiliar with the performance characteristics of "Baykar Makina" TB2:

Maximum speed: 222 km / h
Cruising speed: 130 km / h

[nobody75]

Excuse me, but EPR? The same as that of an 2? By the way, have an 2 cruising 200

[voyaka uh]

This is an interesting tactic.

[nobody75]

What does interesting mean? Is the pilot using telepathy to fix the radar radiation and teleport to the barracks?

[alexmach]

What are you writing nonsense. It flies under radio control to the enemy's line of defense, works out as a target. All. His whole role. Further, external means are recorded as the point at which he was shot down, and who and where did it. Everything is business.

At least it will discharge the air defense missile system, as a maximum, they will detect the position of the air defense missile system and reconnoiter and hit it by other means.

[nobody75]

Excuse me, but this is the radio control, is it provided for by the design?

[alexmach]

And in your opinion, is it some kind of unrealizable technical task to put on the controls of the An-2 or on the nodes of the control system some kind of electro-mechanical drives? Does this require fundamental changes in the design?

By the way, the idea is not new. The Americans planned this in the years in the 20th century for the first wave of attack on the USSR - to put in a lot of radio-controlled junk in order to overload and discharge the air defense system. 50-60 years ago they could do this, but now suddenly it has become "not provided for"?

[nobody75]

Excuse me, but you haven’t come across "advanced wing mechanization" on AN 2? How are you going to radio-control takeoff? And most importantly, why do you need an 2 as a target?

[alexmach]

I must admit that I have not come across the mechanization of the An-2 wing. But for some reason I believe that advanced wing mechanization is present on most modern aircraft. Is not it so? Do you think that the control of the AN-2 is so complicated that it is impossible to carry out it remotely? Even in favorable conditions?

And most importantly, why do you need an 2 as a target?

Are there better candidates?

[nobody75]

Yes, I think his controls are too tricky for a drone during takeoff and landing. Here is the wing mechanization:

Wing mechanization - on the upper plane of the aircraft, mounted ailerons, flaps and slats with a mechanical drive, the lower planes are equipped with flaps located throughout the span. Due to the advanced mechanization of the wings, the aircraft can be operated on small airfields.

About control drive:

The connection of the levers and pedals with the controlled planes is combined - cables go from the controls to the rockers, and then the rods are installed. The power plant control panel is located in the aisle between the pilots' seats. The drive of the high-lift devices is electric, the motor and gearboxes are located in the fuselage

I will not argue, in principle, a drone can be made from a corn plant. But is the fuss worth the money spent? Who will bother with drive automation? To write software for the autopilot ... Takeoff - landing on an airfield runway is one thing - at least takeoff in an open field is another thing ... Don't you think it's an expensive pleasure?

[alexmach]

Don't you think it's an expensive pleasure?

No, it doesn't seem. Look, let's try to describe the minimum requirements.
- Takeoff under radio control of the operator from a "good" runway. Why would he take off in an open field then? The target aircraft can be launched from sites comfortable for it. Wikipedia writes the practical range of the AN-2 900 km. From Baku to Yerevan in a straight line - 420. In such conditions, they could theoretically be launched from Baku International Airport. Again, pay attention to the photo above. They stand next to a concrete runway.
- Autopilot - for autonomous movement along a given route based on GPS and inertial system. (a useful thing if the enemy has electronic warfare systems). Actually, it's not such a difficult task. With the current level of development of electronics and the availability of knowledge, this level is slightly higher than the strong school robotics circle. Several current engineers implement such an autopilot without too many problems. Again, do not forget about the emergency radio control option in case of something. Well, since the plane is disposable and people do not carry any special certifications, this autopilot is not needed. "flies and okay."
- Well, we will have to tinker with the automation of drives ... as well as with everything else.

But is the fuss worth the money spent?

Well look.
- Ans who have served their time
- Works on repair and modernization
- far from the most advanced automation systems based on the principle "and so it will do".

Now look at the pros
- Opening of enemy air defense - already discussed
- Targets for shooting your own air defense. Tell me not realistic? So show who they are realistic then? For the Americans, maybe.
- Any own developments in drone building. Then you can take a step towards those small shock drones ...

PS: And yet - about who will bother with all this - They have Turkey at their side, with their own production of drones. Could and share some developments. Moreover, it is quite inexpensive. They could even unify the control system with the same Baikotura, so that from one remote control and one radio station to control both the target and the strike drone and the reconnaissance.

[alexmach]

Yes, I think his controls are too tricky for a drone during takeoff and landing.

Well, of course, I can't argue with this, because I can't imagine how this plane is controlled. But it once seemed to me that the An-2, among other things, is not particularly picky about pilot qualifications. But this is just a finger to the sky ..

[nobody75]

Sorry, any decommissioned fighter that you will use under the target has an autopilot. Which can be reprogrammed or replaced ... Have you heard anything about An 2 autopilot? It will be necessary to design the drives and the autopilot from scratch. And accordingly, the software is not to be reworked, but to write, since it is oversized, the biplane and about modern navigation equipment are the same in no time. I remember at the direction of Putin SibNIA them. S.A. Chaplygin tried to modernize AN 2. As a result, the TVS -2MS project (2MD, etc.) was born. So this project was not brought to mind. Formally, because of the position of the Ministry of Industry and Trade on the imported engine and composite wing. But only a set of avionics for upgrading an 2 was estimated at $ 100. And this is for a new amerovsky engine! And who will do avionics under the Shvetsovsky "fiery motor"?
Here is a link to what they designed:
https://sibnia.ru/an-2/sravnitelnyie-xarakteristiki.php
Let's say that someone in Turkey is smarter than SibNIA and flashed a drone from an 2.
What is its numerical utility?
I think close to zero. Any operator classifies it according to a speed of 200 km / h and a huge RCS.
Sincerely

[bobba94]

I watched a video about these Azerbaijani An-2s on the History of Weapons TV channel on YouTube. The blogger in the video says that Azerbaijan bought these Ans at a cheap price in bulk from some country, bought it for such purposes, that is, they are not at all sorry

[APASUS]

Quote: voyaka uh

This is an interesting tactic.

Old as mammoth dung!
The Americans used it 40 years ago. The first is a light helicopter of the MD 530 F type and opens the defense, followed by a slightly higher AH-1W Super Cobra.

[nobody75]

Laura had KVO 10, and A200 Polonaise had 20 - 30 ... I would have to shoot a volley of Polonaise ... the carriers would be unlucky ...

[TermNachTer]

If Azerbaijan has succeeded in anything, it is in scary stories, in the style of Baron Munchausen)))

[Piramidon]

Quote: TermNachTER

If Azerbaijan has succeeded in anything, it is in scary stories, in the style of Baron Munchausen)))

Nowhere do they lie so much as on fishing, in campaign speeches and in war.

[Revolver]

Quote: Piramidon

Nowhere do they lie so much as on fishing, in campaign speeches and in war.

On the hunt. This is a quote from Otto von Bismarck, and for the von barons (especially the dukes and electors, which he became by the end of his career), fishing was beneath their dignity. Hunting is another matter.

[TermNachTer]

I agree. But still, you have to lie believably. Thousands of killed Armenians and hundreds of units of destroyed armored vehicles, even a housewife will doubt this. Moreover, as evidence, videos of very dubious quality are cited.

[Albay]

This is a precision air bomb

[nobody75]

From a drone?

[Albay]

No, not from a drone

[nobody75]

So with the F - 16 ... the spotter was caught? Or was the drone illuminated?

[Albay]

Why with F-16?
Perhaps from drying and from Heron, I forgot about this type of drones.

[Albay]

Already spotters of the last century.

[nobody75]

Was it illuminated from a drone with a laser or a KAB by GPS?

[nobody75]

If from a drone, the entire network would have already posted a video from it

[Albay]

Perhaps tomorrow they will show. For anyone, if they have highlighted the frames, there are. Many videos show that one drone indicates the target, and beats either an art or another drone.

[nobody75]

OK we will wait...
Don't you think that with this "wait" and the "war of cities" with strikes on Stepanakert you are losing your pace?
With respect?

[Albay]

No offense, but I think you, too, think by the criteria of the wars of the 20th century.
My opinion, perhaps I am mistaken, after the methodical defeat of the reserves, the blocking of communications and the destruction of an impressive part of the arty and missile defense systems, on the contrary, the pace will grow sharply. In the depth of the defense, the Armenians are unlikely to have the same fortified areas.
Sincerely.

[nobody75]

Sorry, but all the reserves - they have just been mobilized. They are in Armenia and have not even entered the battle yet. Where do you grind them? There is also OTRK, MLRS and almost all barrel art. Covered air force and air defense.
Sincerely

[Albay]

And what will these reserves be armed with? Plus, the roads will be taken under control, how will they even get to the front in a couple of weeks? that is, some kind of solution

[nobody75]

These reserves are the regular army of Armenia ... It is, as it were, armed. They will go to the front .... You refused to go to Sevan and got bogged down in Karabakh ... Sorry, "you are storming strategic heights"
Sincerely

[Albay]

Dear friend, you apparently do not understand, there is no army of Karabakh. Now the regular army of Armenia has always been on the front line. You just open the list of victims of this war and past clashes, 70 percent are from Armenia. All officers are from Armenia. The number of Armenians living in Karabakh will not allow them to have even one full-fledged division.

[nobody75]

Let's say that in Armenia there are no troops or warehouses with weapons and ammunition left ...
All troops are on the border ...
Excuse me, do you believe that yourself?
Sincerely

[Albay]

I do not think that the main task now is to capture cities. Judging by the way the war is going, the main goals are completely different. I wrote about my assumptions in other comments.

[nobody75]

By the "war of the cities" I meant the famous episode of the Irano - Iraqi war. When, in a strategic impasse, the sides began to fire missiles at Baghdad and Tehran ...

[Albay]

Now I understand, but I do not see a dead end, I see that there is a systematic destruction of fire and manpower, the capture of heights for further advancement, and in my opinion, after opening and destroying the first two zones, the rate of advance will be many times higher. These are the laws of war.

[nobody75]

Excuse me, will the Armenian army observe this through binoculars while you are "taking over the heights"? They completed the mobilization ...

[nobody75]

APU Saurmogila thought the same thing ... Do you know how the exit to the border turned out for them?

[Grits]

Quote: nobody75

They completed the mobilization ...

It seems to me that mobilization will no longer help. The mobilized will have to meet the enemy in Kalash in hands. Since a good part of the equipment has already been destroyed from the air. And the mobilized fighters will have no air defense, no armored vehicles, no art, or even trucks. Azerbaijan showed how to act in a modern war - for a start - methodical knocking out of air defense by unmanned aerial vehicles, then everything else. I think the armored infantry will follow. How will the newly mobilized meet?

[nobody75]

Excuse me, Yerevan is not covered by air defense? Video of his work is on the network

[Albay]

Gritsa.
The infantry was already rushing, in one day the whole region and the city were liberated. Every day the pace will be higher in my opinion.

[nobody75]

The Azerbaijani Armed Forces launched three missile strikes on the capital of the unrecognized Nagorno-Karabakh Republic (NKR) Stepanakert on Friday, October 2. This was announced by the single information center under the government of Armenia, TASS reports.

What is this if not "War of the Cities"?
Sincerely

[Vadim237]

This is not an aerial bomb, this is a LORA OTRK missile

[opuonmed]

blocked the shas will press in full and the loss of the Turks will be on! The main thing for them will strengthen there and then how will it go

[nobody75]

"And they swear at the engineer. Her Majesty's engineering troops, with the rank of sapper"
R Kipling.
There is such a river that if the Armenian engineering troops do not build a temporary bridge, it will be some kind of shame ...

[opuonmed]

well, this time in an hour for 2 for 3 you can give it that way) let's see what happens next

[nobody75]

Aliyev, I remember, promised in 24 hours not only to capture Karabakh, but also to clean up ...
AND???
"The villages are burning for the fourth day"

[Albay]

He did not promise in 24 hours, he promised that he would clean it up. He did not name the time. He generally knows how to keep his word, for that he is also respected.

[nobody75]

Excuse me, are there enough resources for more than two weeks of battles? I doubt it ...
Let's summarize (intermediate):
1 Armenian air defense is not completely destroyed
2 A frontal blow was inflicted on the forehead against the engineering-developed Armenian defense from which follows the point
3 Chief of General Staff ... Where?

[Albay]

Where are the facts of inflicting a frontal strike on the forehead or do you judge by the progandistic information of the Armenian media? On the contrary, there has been no frontal strike so far. While air strikes, reconnaissance in force and storming the dominant heights on the flanks are quite successful.
At the headquarters of the NGSH where it should be.
The air defense has not been completely destroyed, but can it provide effective resistance?
And no one will rush to destroy

[nobody75]

Personally, I see how the Armenian troops retreated in an organized manner from the plain to prepared positions ... But what do you see?

[Albay]

I see in the north the captured strategic heights and the operational encirclement of the group defending the city of Agdere.

[Albay]

It was the capture of the dominant heights that forced the Armenian units to retreat to new frontiers. This is clearly visible.

[nobody75]

Excuse me, what will this give the upcoming people? The ability to build on success by advancing along a road that is under enemy fire control?

[Albay]

The fact of the matter is that they will not be able to retreat to the prepared lines now. The loss of Murov puts them in a very difficult position. I think that this is the greatest success, I would say the strategic Azerbaijani army, which will be felt more and more over time. we see that these days everything is being done to disable this advantage of the Armenian army and, in my opinion, quite successfully.

[nobody75]

Forgive me, but strategically the entire army of Artsakh is not even the first line of defense! This is the front line. You have not even entered the battle with the main forces yet, but you gave them the opportunity to mobilize ...
And to cut artillery without defeating the air defense, from my point of view, is premature
Sincerely

[nobody75]

Borders are prepared! And where is the strategic plan? In which "strategic" heights appear ...

[Albay]

You probably did not understand, the loss of Murov in the northern direction makes senseless the lines that were prepared. I understand it tough to understand without a detailed map. Alas, I can not help you with anything.
Sincerely.

[nobody75]

OK, the map is shallow ...
For almost a week your troops have been unable to shoot down the forward screen that was covering the border ...
This will take another 100500 days.
The troops are exhausted, the ammunition is running out, the drones are out ... The Armenian army is approaching ... And?
Sincerely

[Albay]

How does it fit?
There are almost no roads left.
In the northern direction it is not at all an option to approach without knocking out Azerbaijani units from Murov. Ammunition and drones in bulk. Do you believe in hundreds of downed drones? If the Armenians could knock out at least 5 part of the drones, they would hardly be used so massively. The air is counteracted by the Azerbaijani army and reserves will probably be utilized on the way.
These are my assumptions.

Best regards

[nobody75]

Excuse me, are there no roads left in Armenia?
They just go to the border.
Is the air over Armenia controlled by Azerbaijan?
But....
Sincerely,

[Albay]

Well, go to the border, what will it change?
Within NK, will the units still be incapacitated if the Armenian reserves are not included in NK? There are only two roads, one under control, and the other will be worked out by drones.
And what will the encircled units in NK be doing by that time? Considering that constant drone strikes on vehicles and infantry will sooner or later demoralize the enemy unambiguously.
Best regards

[nobody75]

Have you surrounded them all? Yes, as long as the initiative is on your side ... And rearguard combat is the most difficult type of combat. But what if the Armenian army goes out to meet the retreating parts of Artsakh and unite with them?
Sincerely

[Albay]

Are you a professional military man or an amateur? Do not be offended by the question so that I have an idea of ​​how to answer you! How do you imagine the theory of where the war is? How will the reserves go to meet the retreating under fire from the air and from the heights? This is suicide.
Sincerely.

[nobody75]

Excuse me, from what heights if you reach the Armenian border? Have you heard anything about the oncoming battle?
Sincerely

[Albay]

I repeat, perhaps you have a wrong idea of ​​the realities on the battlefield in this place. In Karabakh, the largest part of the Armenian army is located and the most combat-ready. If we reach the border and there are battles near the border, what change?
We will have an even greater advantage.
Nobodi Are you an officer?
By the way, as I expected today, Madagiz has already been liberated, which means the village of Talysh. The garrison of Agdera has only one way out to surrender or flee under fire, abandoning equipment.
Very important heights were also taken in the Fizuli direction.

[nobody75]

So far, you're not doing very well ...
Lived another day and what do we see?
Excuse me, where are the boilers?

If you reach the border, you will have to stop, because Armenia is a member of the CSTO. Otherwise, you will have to face the most efficient army outside of Armenia ... Do you remember the scenario of the Caucasus 2020 exercises? Further, if you reach the border, the Armenians will cover themselves with a collective defense treaty and attack your units, exhausted by the fighting in Karabakh. There are two options - to attack with all your might, or to hit and move away. I would choose the second option ...

[Albay]

Yesterday I wrote to Agdera already in the boiler.
Of course we will not go beyond the borders. Why exhausted?
We have enough strength to stop the Armenian army, and if it starts an offensive, how will the CSTO support it.? So you again say that it’s not going well, but you don’t answer my question. Are you a military man?
The tasks apparently in the course of development in the destruction of equipment, air defense, communications and command posts are performed perfectly. Important heights were taken in a short time. I am sure after the art and drones grind the equipment and communications of the enemy, the rate of attack will increase and then large-scale offensives will begin. I once again expressed my opinion, I ask you very much with repeated remarks like where is the boiler? What have you done? Don't make me write the same thing. Madagiz was a large fortified area and we took it today.
Are you military?
Best regards

[nobody75]

WarGonzo reports that Magadiz has not been taken ... Whom to believe? And about the replicas, everything is simple - in the evening I look at the map.

[nobody75]

By the way, about military professionals, he also writes:

The head of the general staff of the armed forces of Azerbaijan was declared an agent of the GRU. This is reported by the military correspondent, the author of the independent journalism project WarGonzo Semyon Pegov, citing sources in Istanbul.
Thus, according to Pegov, Turkish generals removed from service the chief of the Azerbaijani General Staff, Najmeddin Sadykov.
“There is information that he is on the run. Sadykov has not yet been seen in Russia, and even the closest relatives cannot establish contact with him, ”the message says.
Sadykov is from Derbent and is considered a national hero in his homeland. Sadykov's mother is a mountain Jew named Tamara. Sadykov did not talk about his relatives in the service.
“That is why, in the end, Turkish counterintelligence took it into development. A month ago, Sadykov had a conflict with the arrived Turkish advisers. He even sharply expressed himself to the Azerbaijani authorities: "If we give the Turks the army, maybe our wives too?" - he said at the meeting, "Pegov said.
Source: https://rusvesna.su/news/1601530466

[Albay]

This is nonsense and for two weeks now the Armenians and Pegov have been replicating this)) Sadykov is in his office doing his job)
I asked whether you are a military man or not to know what language to speak to you. The fact that you stubbornly do not answer I understand that you are probably an amateur.
Best regards

[nobody75]

Excuse me, but why should I answer your personal questions?
Didn't seem to be under interrogation?
And you are free to think whatever you like. You can talk to me in Russian and three more languages.
With respect.
PS
Yerevan is ready to discuss in the framework of the OSCE Minsk Group the issue of introducing Russian peacekeepers into Nagorno-Karabakh

[Albay]

You don't owe me anything dear comrade))
To speak Russian on a military topic, I need to know who I am talking to in order to understand how to convey military issues to the interlocutor. A professional military man will catch what I want to say on the go. You repeat the same thing two or three times, forcing me to repeat myself. I beg you not take offense.
Best regards

[nobody75]

Yes, I'm a pacifist - for me as a "chest" please ...
I just understood the best academies at a glance, for example ...
Sincerely

[Albay]

Well, we are offended.
I'm sorry, I really didn't mean to offend you.
Thank you very much for the interesting conversation.
Good luck to you
Sincerely

[nobody75]

No, I'm not offended ... I just can't understand ... Below in this thread, your fellow officer, an officer, is corresponding with me ... And I understand him perfectly ... But let's forget about it. Can you tell us how the offensive is progressing?
Sincerely

[Albay]

As far as I have information, in the north, we reached Agdera, and if the garrison there does not leave its positions in the next few hours, it will be defeated. They are surrounded, but there is an opportunity to abandon the technique to try to get out. the capital of NK Khankendi. Our count is 50 kilometers away. In the south, as a result of swelling on the map, the Iranian border goes out quietly, we quietly take control and go to the regional center Djebrail, and on the right in the future there is an opportunity to surround the city of Fizuli. Although it is no longer a city only bricks remained everything was destroyed by the Armenians long ago. Khojavend is under the blows of our army.

[nobody75]

Sorry, but the picture you have drawn on the map resembles an elastic defense from the NKR. The Armenians force you to storm the field fortifications in the sequence that suits them.
But it's not that...
You are trying to create a picture of a successful offensive. But from my old man's - amateurish point of view,

An offensive is the movement of artillery positions forward

If we follow this provision of the ancient charter, only the Army of Armenia has opportunities for an offensive today.
And they seem to have realized that the "city war" is a winning strategy for them.
The Armenian army will carry out missile strikes deep into the territory of Azerbaijan, and then sow panic among the civilian population, using the methods of information warfare. Such actions will lead to the formation of flows of internal refugees, which will spread covid and panic, which will undermine the mobilization resource of the Azerbaijani army.
Sincerely

[Albay]

What is elastic defense?))) I don’t know such a term!))
Are you Armenian?
I remember you.
You will forgive but copy the stupidity of the Armenian non-strategists))
Already today, the Jebrail region and the city of Jebrail have been liberated. Important strategic heights have been taken, most of the roads are being contested. Well, a city will be bombed in agony for a couple of days, there will be no panic, especially from the winning side.
I already have infa that two more cities have been liberated, but cleaning is underway and has not yet been announced.
Best regards

[nobody75]

I am not Armenian, you cannot remember me. I have never been to Armenia or Azerbaijan. I am not interested in repeating something after someone. I don't dabble in propaganda.
About elastic defense:

I would like to share about the elastic defense of the Germans. Now they won't tell about her anywhere. And this defense is the Germans. How did she work.
For example, we punched a hole, grind them with artillery for two hours, and the units moved forward. Tanks and infantry poured into this hole. All on different roads diverge, so usually the offensive continues. Each unit goes its own way. The Fritzes retreat, leave. We are all in columns.
Then aviation appears, processes the convoy, then another. In the evening they meet us with a screen. Barrier for example from "Ferdinand" and mortars, some infantry. Cars with them. The ambush naturally opens fire, we are all in the column. The ambush reconnaissance passes and waits for the convoy. It destroys our living force. Everyone scatters and hides. The Germans are firing and we cannot do anything to them.
We shot, got on our cars and left. We learn about their retreat through the burning village. The village is on fire, it means they have gone. You can go in a column again. And so a small detachment on each road.
The next day everything is repeated. During the day, their aviation is working, in the evening another ambush. Our manpower is melting, the amount of equipment too. Forced to stand up and dig in on the defensive. We are waiting for replenishment. The so-called elastic defense.

Litvinov E.M. (participant of the Second World War)
Sincerely
PS
And where did you get the idea that I am Armenian?

[Albay]

About 10 years ago there was one with a similar nickname. Perhaps I was mistaken.
Regarding elastic defense, this is not a professional term. I have not heard this and what the respected veteran of the Second World War described has nothing to do with what is happening in the Karabakh war now.

[nobody75]

About 10 years ago I did not register here ... Honestly, no matter how cynical it sounds, I have an academic interest in the conflict ... Therefore, I got used to playing solitaire with key figures in the news about Sadykov ...
Sincerely

[Albay]

Lately, I hate writing terribly, it would be easier for me to tell where the rumors and gossip about Sadykov come from.
You wrote above that the Armenians are forcing us to attack where it suits them, but this is nonsense of those who want to keep silent or cover up the disastrous situation of the Armenians. The most advantageous for the Armenians would be a frontal strike, a large-scale offensive, so that on the lines created and fortified for 30 years To meet the attackers, wait for reserves and counterattack. The Azerbaijani army, apparently, planned the operation according to the modern, I described above in what manner. Therefore, the enemy is now demoralized, trying to strike at cities far from the front, to cause panic, but this is the last century.
Best regards

[nobody75]

I put your success on the map and this is the first thing that came to my mind, maybe this hypothesis is not true.
Let us live - we will see.
Peace be upon you and the Mercy of Allah

[Albay]

Mutually respected!

[Albay]

I can't send you a video from TV. I watched a report from Madagiz an hour ago.
Well, let them deny and how many will deny? Talish village was also taken today. 5 villages were liberated in the southern direction in the direction of Jabrayil. This is an official message. According to my data, no more is said yet. Now, despite the curfew, people went out into the street with slogans in support of the army and the President. How can I convince you ?))
Best regards

[nobody75]

Are your generals such professionals that they can conduct a combined arms battle near the border? At first glance I recall only one incident from military history - this is the exit to the Soviet - Polish border of "Swift" Heinz Guderian during the Polish campaign of the WWII. But there was a border with a friendly USSR at that time? And you? ... How does ODKB help? Have you heard about the Caspian Flotilla?

[Albay]

Why not? Our generals graduated from the best military academies.
Why are you comparing the last century to the Second World War with the current conflict?
I honestly do not understand at all what you want to say and what is your idea of ​​tvd here?
Best regards

[nobody75]

It's just very difficult not to cross it during the battle ... Not to fire at the adjacent territory and not succumb to provocations ... Why don't I compare? This is how "non-lovers" usually do ... so I, an amateur, wanted ...

[Albay]

I think now this is not the most important question, what will happen when we reach the border.
Thank you for your opinion.

[nobody75]

Thank you, unfortunately I have to leave.
Peace be upon you and the Grace of Allah

[Scorpio05]

Quote: nobody75

Aliyev, I remember, promised in 24 hours not only to capture Karabakh, but also to clean up ...
AND???
"The villages are burning for the fourth day"

listen, why are you doing idle talk, I would say even slander. Where did President I. Aliyev say that? Please, proof to the studio, if you don’t present, then you are just a balabol.

[nobody75]

On your television

[nobody75]

And who are you? And what is your army in Karabakh doing now? Aliyev said nothing to her? Are your troops not there or are they there without the President's order?

[nobody75]

Erdagan commands everything there ... You are right, Aliyev has nothing to do with it ...

[ashot1973]

Hello gentlemen.
It is obvious that the blitzkrieg of Azerbaijan did not take place. Sun Az. collided with the deeply echeloned positions of the NKR Defense Army and, with heavy losses of railroad vehicles and military equipment, switched to positional battles. The main 2 directions of the main attack (north and south - along the Araks River) was stopped.
Papa Erdogan, after the joint military exercises in Azerbaijan, left some of the military equipment, aviation and instructors, but even this could not fulfill the main goal of Baku. It was necessary to recruit Arab countries from under the control territories of Turkey and send Arab mercenaries there. And that did not help.
Baku did not expect such an outcome and began a different tactic - to launch missile bombing strikes on the settlements of the NKR.

Aliyev, I remember, promised in 24 hours not only to capture Karabakh, but also to clean up ...

- on account of this I will say this - a week ago, there was a general of the Armed Forces Az Barkhudarov, Mais Shukur oglu. He, too, as his GC, promised to reach Sevan in a day and drink tea there ...
Alas. Where is Aliyev's humble servant now ??? Drinks tea with his ancestors in the next world ...
The Azerbaijani side still does not collect its corpses from the battlefield ... What can be said about? About humanism, about any international conventions?
The NKR Armenians are currently fighting not only for their freedom, but also against international terrorist forces.

[Oquzyurd]

Ashotik, you lost. Wait another 3-4 days, you and everyone who is sick of you will finally understand that you have lost. We know where the troops are and what the situation is ...

[kot423]

Did you understand what he said, clown? Or is there no peacekeeper on the other side of the bridge?

[sabakina]

Quote: kot423

Did you understand what he said, clown? Or is there no peacekeeper on the other side of the bridge?

Forgive him, he is a Russian-speaking Pentagon, and he opened the manual on the wrong page.

[kot423]

Vyacheslav, welcome. I just do not like "talking heads", whoever they are - every minute trolls, or "liberal" (as they think) bullshit, which "luce loot for 10 hospitals to use than on defense", forgetting that "you won't feed (read to improve) your army - you will feed someone else's "...

[kot423]

Quote: WeAreNumerOne

Lenins must be removed, like the Stalinists, idols and so many.

Uh-huh. That’s why I think that the bald, gnarled scavenger on the coat of arms has long been subject to "removal", because of everything that was broadcast on his part, 99,9% are lies ... Let's start with this infection, or you will be tired of it answer, clown?

[kot423]

Did you understand what you said yourself, clown? You did not confuse the coast (time) ?? You still remember the Decembrists and present your claims, scarecrow. All your nagging - to Spotted, he repented for all nonsense (pleasing to the West). And you are just bullshit in my eyes, which is trying to work out its 30 pieces of silver with cancer on the Russian site, trying to fuck up the topic with a flood ... Adyu, a grunting animal, you don't even have to answer me.

[gurzuf]

"the system created to repress people begins to devour its creators", just like mattress covers now.

[Pereira]

Of all the possible number of Judas, you are the only one left. What's wrong with that? Yes, and you are superfluous.

[72jora72]

A clown, not a clown, but from communism, my relatives both on my father's side and on my mother's side suffered,

So it was probably for what? Wells were probably hounded, doctors and teachers were attacked and killed, grandfather was a headman under the Germans ...

[Piramidon]

Quote: kot423

Uh-huh. That is why I think that the bald, gnarled scavenger on the coat of arms has long been subject to "removal"

You haven't seen it yet. Therefore, he is always only depicted in profile.

[Kote Pan Kokhanka]

Quote: WeAreNumerOne

Lenins must be removed, like the Stalinists, idols and so many. Communism is a mistake

I could not pass by!
It is not worth starting with the "Lenins", in Russia you should "hurt yourself", I propose to start the fight against "idols" from America. There are four idols, carved on the rock. Chisel "in the teeth" and in front. True, if you get caught, then "communism is a mistake" You will also be shown mom, do not cry !!! "!!!!

Once again in pictures!

Take the "chisel"!

Look for the "idols of the filthy"

Well, then “you will be contacted, so you realize your mistake!
If it did not work out the first time, you can take revenge on the "pharaohs"!
True, when you fly to the Sphinx with a chisel, they will simply shoot you and even bury you, they will not! They will say it was !!!

[Phil77]

Quote: Kote pane Kohanka

Take the "chisel"!

Comrade Vlad! Good evening! Sorry, but ... to work with a chisel on a stone ?????
Нет!
Boaster!

[Kote Pan Kokhanka]

Good evening, or at night!
But I think the best way to work on stone is dynamite, although matches are not toys for children !!!
Although, "communism is a mistake", "go ahead, comrades of the proletariat - we are building an advanced slave system" !!! Why on chisels and scarpel, we gnaw the idols with our teeth !!!
Damn it, to put America aside, I found him a "one idol" which is definitely not a pity within our Fatherland! I give the address: Yekaterinburg, st. Boris Yeltsin, the center of Boris Yeltsin, and a monument to "his beloved"! Start to gnaw "friend" from the left shoe, they will not immediately understand and will start "komunizdit".
Good luck!

[Phil77]

Vlad! If we discard all * isms *, then dynamite is really the best tool for stone. In the past! Now there are more radical means. And in the old fashioned-scarpel! And? A hammer!

[Kote Pan Kokhanka]

Eh, Sergei, after all, you are a pragmatist and an esthete "in one bottle" !!!
I still prefer - the grinder !!!

[Phil77]

Quote: Kote pane Kohanka

grinder

And what will happen with which disc?
We are a sculptor * from the big road * we do it with high quality and inexpensively with a scarpel!
For Sobyanin -... well, dear Vlad, you, as a representative of the government, from the enslaved people of Moskvy.Not tell you! But! Thoughts, what to do with this .... is !!!!!!

[Kote Pan Kokhanka]

Quote: Phil77

And what will happen with which disc?

Yes, not shit will not work, we would only be exactly along the line !!!!

Quote: Phil77

We are a sculptor * from the big road * we do it with high quality and inexpensively with a scarpel!

For which I personally respect you Sergey. Fifteen years ago, I tried to neatly break a facing brick with a Cypriot one. Did not work out. Hands are growing out of the wrong place.

Quote: Phil77

For Sobyanin -... well, dear Vlad, you, as a representative of the government, from the enslaved people of Moskvy.Not tell you! But! Thoughts, what to do with this .... is !!!!!!

I can hardly imagine how a resident of the Urals can advise me something to a capital resident. Yeah, especially if he is from the top. We keep silent therapy and smile. Although there are also simple cool guys.
As for Sobyanin, I will throw a few photos of Tyumen.

The city is like a city!

[Pavlos Melas]

The first real claim is that the scales tilt on their side in this conflict. Let's see how the Armenian side responds.

[Albay]

The first real claim and the largest is the capture on the very first day of the Murov and the Omar pass. Until now, I am at a loss and in admiration how they did it.

[Pavlos Melas]

The first blow when the attackers chose the time and place is of course a success, but I don't think it's decisive. The destruction of the bridge, I consider a more compelling claim for the success of the operation, the enemy's logistics will be disrupted, it will be easier to overcome resistance.

[nobody75]

Something "cunning plans" and special successes I do not see on the map ... And you?

[Albay]

Well, you have no idea about the BVD theater there. Here the strategic success was the capture of Murov and the Omar pass, the heights around Talysh and Madagiz took almost the state of an operative encirclement of the Armenian garrison in Agder.
Sincerely.

[nobody75]

Has he surrendered already? This garrison?
I see ...
From my humble point of view, a flank strike is when your troops would go to Sevan ... And covering the flank with them ... And so this is fuss in the sandbox, well calculated by the enemy.
Sincerely

[Albay]

We do not need to go to Sevan such a task was not set. If the garrison does not capitulate, it will be destroyed. They were offered to lay down their arms, apparently they are not ready yet.
Sincerely.

[nobody75]

Excuse me, why do you say that the blow is not frontal? Excuse me, he's limited to the "Karabakh sandbox"!
Sincerely

[Albay]

Though with respect, did you understand the question?))

[nobody75]

Forgive me, I probably didn’t clearly formulate it.
The offensive is being carried out from bridgeheads along the Karabakh border.
Did the enemy know that the border would turn into a front line? Was he preparing for a strategic defense?
Sincerely

[Albay]

I think this is an incorrect question, or rather a question for me about whether they prepared and how they prepared to reflect.
I just think that the intention of this military operation of the advancing side is not in a frontal offensive head-on. This is evident from what is happening. It seems to me that the enemy, like many with the thinking of the wars of the last century, was preparing to meet the offensive.
Thanks for the interesting dialogue.
Best regards

[nobody75]

Excuse me, but what is the plan then?
Sincerely

[Albay]

I kind of wrote my opinion above. Of course, I'm not an NSH, but from what I see, apparently
1. the task was to take Murov and the Omarsky pass.
2. Gradually and systematically destroy the enemy's air defense and fire weapons, cut communications, and inflict maximum damage on reserves.
3. to take the state heights in the theater of operations.
All these measures will weaken many times the resistance of the enemy and I think the right decision. The main thing is that there will be fewer casualties from the attackers.

[nobody75]

Here! Now the tasks are clear! At least in operational terms ...
You want to repeat the success of 1993.
Do you remember how it all ended then?
Second time on the "Omar" rake?
Are you sure you will hold the pass?
Sincerely

[Albay]

I want to?))
You think too highly of my modest capabilities)
Above, I gave just my opinion in what I see the plan.
I remember well what ended then. Then we did not have an army as such. There were not enough middle and lower echelon officers and, in general, the difference between that army and today's one is like heaven and earth. At that time, it was a big mistake that they immediately went down from the heights and broke away from communications, and the prosecutor general was in charge of the operations, not a military one. In general, I would not compare that time and now.
If they want to win, they must keep.

[nobody75]

Excuse me, but don't you think that the capture of the Omar Pass both then and now is a dead end?
To build on your success, sooner or later you will have to go down, and in order not to cut your communications, just like last time you will have to leave the garrison ...

[Albay]

Already descending, but after the capture of the villages of the Agderinsky region, it is possible to develop and from this direction the offensive there and the problems of providing for the units descending will disappear.
I have to go unfortunately.
Thanks for the interesting dialogue.
Time will tell.

[nobody75]

And thank you. Wait and see.
Peace to you

[Albay]

Mutually, we have waited too long for this day and God willing we win!

[72jora72]

Then we did not have an army as such, there were not enough middle and lower level officers and in general the difference between that army and today's one is like heaven and earth.

In the 8th year, the Georgians also thought that they had an army according to NATO standards .........

[Albay]

I will give you one example, on the southern front, many Armenian positions of the first echelon were unprotected and there was a semblance of defense, but everyone knew that many posts there were empty. They did not have enough human resources to fill those posts before the war.

[nobody75]

I already wrote - the whole army of Artsakh is a barrier to cover the border .... Excuse me, will you be busy with it for a long time?
Sincerely

[Albay]

There is no army of Artsakh, this is the regular army of Armenia, its units, which they call them so.

[Vladimir61]

Quote: Albay

It is better to tinker a little longer at first than bite your elbows later.

Judging by the map, the DBs are not yet on the most difficult terrain, foothills, and therefore the length along the front. And what will happen next? Sooner or later, Karabakh will adapt to "raids" ... In any case, the offensive will bring immeasurable losses to Azerbaijan.

[Albay]

I think after the breakthrough of the first two echelons and after the main part of the enemy's firepower is knocked out on the territories indicated by you, the resistance will only decrease, and the pace of the offensive will increase.
Best regards

[Albay]

Vladimir is deeper, there are no such fortified areas as on the front. We are already controlling most of the roads. Over time, I am sure the pace of the offensive will be higher, the enemy will flee so as not to be surrounded. Already today, in one day, the entire Jabrayil region and the city of Jabrail have been liberated.
I see a very modern approach in the development of the offensive plan and in its implementation.

[Runway]

Three directions. Squeezing out the defenders from the foothills with the mastery of the rocada. On the eve of winter in the mountains, where maneuver is limited.

[Vladimir61]

Quote: WFP

pushing the defenders from the foothills with the mastery of the rocada.

This is true, but it is the fate that can turn out to be insurmountable, as the main line of defense.

[Runway]

Fire control of frontal roads and gorges / pass valleys. The support system in the valley / “counters” will crumble - BMT and support / maneuver with actual coverage and “rings” are not possible.

[Livonetc]

"The Armenian Foreign Ministry stated that Yerevan is ready to start negotiations with Baku on the cessation of hostilities in accordance with the principles of the OSCE Minsk Group."
Azerbaijan has already achieved its goal from the category
The minimum task is completed.
Earlier, Armenia put the Armenian bolt on the interests of Azerbaijan in general and on the Minsk group in particular.
Now we are watching whether Azerbaijan can achieve implementation -
Maximum tasks ...

That's interesting.
If Azerbaijan returns its de jure territory back, what will be blamed on it?

[Asad]

Aliyev said no negotiations. I don’t think there will be a loss of face.

[Insurgent]

Quote: ASAD

Aliyev said no negotiations. I don’t think there will be a loss of face.

He has already lost the face of a sane and independent politician, following Turkey's lead, unleashing a bloody adventure, and especially regarding the "re-export" of militants from Syria to NKAO ...

[Revival]

And why exactly on the occasion of Turkey, maybe he himself was not against it?

[Alena-Baku]

listened when Pashinyan and Soros spoke

[albert]

Quote: Insurgent

especially regarding the "re-export" of militants from Syria to the NKAO

That's right, the Kremlin won't forgive that, because the North Caucasus is just a stone's throw away.

[Scorpio05]

In your opinion, sanity is to continue negotiations for another 50 years (while Armenia is actively settling the occupied lands), to endure the fact that the Armenians have legally (!) Annexed all 7 occupied regions outside Karabakh to their Partzah, or to donate half of Azerbaijan to the Armenians?

[Livonetc]

Be.
He has already voiced the fact that the current operation is aimed at forcing Armenia to take real steps to resolve the conflict.
The same, but in a more detailed way, was stated by Polad Bulbul Ogly in his interview.

Objectively, according to the events that have already taken place.
Azerbaijan will not have complete success in this company.
The forces are clearly not enough.

[Albay]

Why not enough?))

[Livonetc]

The defense of Karabakh is well prepared and deeply echeloned.
In terms of the total number of troops and mobilization reserve in Azerbaijan and the NKR armies in alliance with Armenia, there is an approximate parity.
Azerbaijan has a real advantage only in tanks and drones.
But tanks have learned to neutralize effectively.
Drones are real strength, but more in single strikes, artillery fire adjustments, and reconnaissance.
However, they cannot fully ensure the success of the ground operation.
In general, the advantage is not overwhelming.
And to overcome a well-prepared and echeloned defense, the advantage must be multiple.
The Azerbaijani army does not have such an advantage.

[Albay]

You are clearly not in the subject then. Study the entire arsenal of both armies, quantitatively and qualitatively clearly the advantage of Azerbaijan. The mobilization potential is higher in Azerbaijan and at times.
As for the tanks, I did not see any problems at all. Nowhere did they go to large-scale breakthroughs, were they still used for reconnaissance in force and where are they neutralized? There are a lot of them in Azerbaijan. Here, I have a big mistake that they are judged by what is happening in the wars of the 20th century. And not only here, I read one old colonel where he pointed out the weakness of the Azerbaijani infantry, so that according to the regulations of the Soviet army, the army in the worst case should walk a kilometer, only he forgot to add what losses)
I agree about the echeloned defense, but they are breaking through it quietly, unhurriedly, disabling equipment, reserves, cutting communications.
In the first days, mainly air defense weapons were destroyed, then artillery tanks, now command posts and infantry. Storming the dominant heights, bypassing cities and towns, I think they act very competently.
Best regards

[Victorio]

Quote: Albay

Storm the dominant heights, bypass cities and towns

===
"storming" - is it occupied by empty or abandoned heights? yes, this is also a success, at the cost of a considerable amount of missiles and shells fired. you would, if in the know, laid out a map of where and where and who bypasses. online only videos of drone operation

[Albay]

It is strange why leave the dominant heights without a fight and get a cauldron?
Meaning?

[Victorio]

Quote: Albay

It is strange why leave the dominant heights without a fight and get a cauldron?
Meaning?

===
it is strange to call the occupation of abandoned and empty heights an assault. As far as I understand, you don't have maps with detailed and successful actions of the Azerbaijani commandos.

[Albay]

You repeat yourself!)))
To my question, you again answer about empty heights.
I ask why leave the heights without a fight if you get surrounded by losing them?))

[Victorio]

Quote: Albay

You repeat yourself!)))
To my question, you again answer about empty heights.
I ask why leave the heights without a fight if you get surrounded by losing them?))

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// an assault is either an open force attack or a surprise attack // etc. etc.
except blah-blah-blah, is there a card with the marked successes?

[Albay]

So what?))
If they took these heights without a fight, then they were generally good fellows, and those who left them without a fight are suicides))

[Victorio]

Quote: Albay

So what?))
If they took these heights without a fight, then they were generally good fellows, and those who left them without a fight are suicides))

Quote: Albay

Storm dominant heights, bypass cities and towns

===
so without a fight or storming? your crap is written above. shadow on the fence, do not direct.

[Peter is not the first]

Drones are real strength, but more in delivering individual strikes

Only these isolated blows can greatly demoralize those on whom they are used. It is no longer possible to hide equipment in caponiers and think that it is safe. People are always tense, constantly peer into the sky, stay away from technology, i.e. they are not ready. Almost like in 1941 and ... years, when fascist aviation dominated the sky, only now it is even more terrible, since the plane can still be heard in advance, and a kamikaze drone or ATGM from the skies can be heard when it is too late to hide, and the accuracy is not compare.

[Deck]

Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan delivered a lecture on world history to the audience of Anadolu University in Istanbul. During his speech, he drew parallels between the events of the past and the current geopolitical situation. Erdogan reminded those present about Armenia’s responsibility for most of the wars and man-made disasters in the world. The Turkish leader named a global flood as one of them.

[iouris]

You can lose not your face, but your life. I'm not hinting at anything, he just got into a bad campaign. Very bad.

[Grits]

Quote: ASAD

Aliyev said no negotiations. I don’t think there will be a loss of face.

Aliyev did not say that. He simply conveyed with his head what Erdogan whispered to him.

[Albay]

They will come up with something. The religious affiliation of the rape of Azerbaijan is already a fault!

[nnm]

The bridge across the Akar River connecting Armenia with Artsakh (Nagorno-Karabakh) was destroyed by a bombing strike by the Azerbaijani army.

And what is the point in this, especially if the offensive is supposed to continue? Or is that all, there is a consolidation in the earlier occupied positions?

[saigon]

Yes, along the way, no one is advancing anywhere.

[Albay]

The idea of ​​depriving NK of receiving aid and reserves from Armenia is the only way. The Azerbaijani army has been controlling the road from Kelbajar as a result of a lightning attack from the first day.

[nobody75]

They blew up a masterpiece of engineering thought ... Three generations of architects will restore for 100 years ... Have you seen that river?

[7,62x54]

We are looking forward to an exhibition of knocked-down and captured equipment of the barmaley.

[stalkerwalker]

Azerbaijan fired missiles at Russian planes.
Who knows - is it fake or fact?
The media reported about a missile attack by Azerbaijan on an Armenian airfield, where the Russian Aerospace Forces planes could be located. The journalists specified that they are talking about the Russian military transport aircraft Il-76, which arrived in Armenia a few days ago. It is also reported that the Azerbaijani missiles were intercepted by S-300 air defense systems literally a few seconds before the strike..
https://yandex.ru/turbo/voennoedelo.com/s/posts/id6757-9aj1ugpqedpifurnendj?sign=3bc7c79d2350305b32e7d2d20bbb815d30989223f4bd13b36238fd5666573c04%3A1601658506&utm_source=yxnews&utm_medium=mobile&trbsrc=neo-news&utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fyandex.ru%2Fnews%2Fstory%2FAzerbajdzhan_vypustil_rakety_po_rossijskim_samolyotam--c47a711b95845ec2b94beab4ec4c6914

[Odysseus]

Quote: stalkerwalker

Who knows - is it fake or fact?

Lies, of course. With the simplest sense, by any means to drag the Russian Federation into the war on the side of Armenia.

[sabakina]

But moonshine knows it ... You can't tell without half a liter ...

[Avior]

They were chasing, which is typical, in this video, after the ambassador of Azerbaijan to Russia.
But what about the Vienna Convention? How can you chase ambassadors?

[stalkerwalker]

Quote: sabakina

And moonshine knows it ... You can't tell without half a liter

Well yes...
Who will subscribe to this ...

[stalkerwalker]

Here's another message.
Armenia was the first in the world to use Russian S-300 complexes in battle, reports Avia.pro.

The S-300s were used to destroy two tactical missiles fired at Armenia. The missiles were successfully destroyed in the area of ​​the city of Abovyan, which is only a few kilometers from Yerevan.

This was the first use of the S-300 since its inception, that is, in 40 years.

Previously, Azerbaijan used tactical missile systems "Tochka-U", previously supplied by Belarus, to strike Armenia.

[uranium]

I don’t know what to think of to involve Russia

[Old26]

Quote: stalkerwalker

Azerbaijan fired missiles at Russian aircraft.
Who knows - is it fake or fact?
The media reported about a missile attack by Azerbaijan on an Armenian airfield, where the Russian Aerospace Forces planes could be located. The journalists clarified that the matter concerns the Russian military transport aircraft Il-76, which arrived in Armenia a few days ago. It is also reported that the Azerbaijani missiles were intercepted by S-300 air defense systems just a few seconds before the strike.

Even if this is a fact, not a fake, then the presentation of the material is "out of the ordinary". Nevertheless, Azerbaijan fired missiles not at Russian planes, but at the airfield. Now, if they were fired upon by air defense means, then one could say that "fired missiles at Russian planes"

[Insurgent]

Quote: Old26

Even if this is a fact, not a fake, then the presentation of the material is "out of the ordinary". Nevertheless, Azerbaijan fired missiles not at Russian planes, but at the airfield.

In any case (if the message is a fact) this is either the arrogance of those who do not know fear, or a deliberate blow without the intention of "hook" on the VKS board.

Let's recall Libya, and the story when even the United States avoided strikes on the part of the airfield where the Russian aircraft were located ...

[Avior]

The very fact of a strike on an airfield on the territory of Armenia, if true, is important as evidence of an attack.
If you prove it, of course.
Formally, Armenia does not participate in all these events.

[Scorpio05]

You don't have to lie. author, Nagorno-Karabakh has no land (territorial) connection with Armenia. Lachin and Kelbajar regions of Azerbaijan, occupied by the Armenian Armed Forces, are located between Nagorno-Karabakh and Armenia. This bridge was located in Lachin. They did it right, they bombed it, this is Azerbaijani territory.

[Odysseus]

Quote: Scorpio05

Nagorno-Karabakh has no land (territorial) connection with Armenia. Lachin and Kelbajar regions of Azerbaijan, occupied by the Armenian Armed Forces, are located between Nagorno-Karabakh and Armenia.

There is a very strong Armenian lobby in Russia. Because of this, many media outlets support Armenia in the conflict. This even affects neutral publications and people. People simply do not understand that the 7 regions controlled by Armenia are not even Karabakh (which, in fact, is also the territory of Azerbaijan).

[Vadim237]

There is a very strong Armenian lobby in Russia. It will not help the Armenian army in the current circumstances - they have already specifically begun to iron it with drones and Azerbaijan will not run out of them either tomorrow or after tomorrow or in two months and further, but the Armenians will run out of equipment and there will be nowhere to take it.

[Odysseus]

Quote: Vadim237

It will not help the Armenian army in the current circumstances - it has already been specifically started to iron it with drones, and Azerbaijan will not run out of them either tomorrow or after tomorrow or in two months

Not a fact. They also lose drones. And Turkey has not an infinite number of them. But in general, I can agree with your thesis. A long war with knocking out enemy equipment due to a technical advantage gives Azerbaijan a significant advantage.
But the question is, will they be given the opportunity to wage such a war? Within the framework of "global capitalism" Armenia is quoted higher, hence the statements of the leading capitalist states on the need for a ceasefire and a return to negotiations (obviously senseless).
Plus, Armenia is trying with all its might to involve the Russian Federation in a direct war for its interests.
Azerbaijan clearly failed to take the "Karabakh fortress" quickly.

[Vadim237]

The production of drone and kamikaze drones in Azerbaijan itself was established 4 years ago, plus Turkey and Israel are now massively supplying them to Azerbaijan so that they will not run out of drones. Armenians better not hope for it. and Azerbaijan will wage just such a war on the depletion of technology in Armenia. And the statements of other countries do not interest anyone, they are all far from hostilities. The Karabakh already lost more than 100 units of armored vehicles and will continue to lose more and more.

[Albay]

Since 2010, production has been established, at first a joint release, and after 2 years they have already released their own.

[Vadim237]

There are already four different types of them produced in Azerbaijan.

[Albay]

Azerbaijan clearly failed to take the "Karabakh fortress" quickly.

Apparently, there was no such task.
I agree with the rest of the above.

[Albay]

It's not about the lobby, but about the religious affiliation of the parties and, to say the least, dislike of the Turks.

[Garris199]

And why should we love the Turk? For the fact that the historical temples in the mosque are being remodeled? For the fact that killers who commit savage atrocities are sponsored and supported? Therefore, they were not accepted in the EU, they are still half-wild.

[Albay]

Don't love for God's sake)))
Did I ask why they don't like it?))

[nerovnayadoroga]

AND THE PEOPLE LIVING THE WILL OF DESTINY, ON THE LAND OF AZERBAIJAN, BY 90 PERCENT, DO NOT FORGET, CHRISTIANS, ARMENIANS. IS THIS LIKE ???? !!! ?? 8

[atalef]

Quote: nerovnayadoroga

AND THE PEOPLE LIVING THE WILL OF DESTINY, ON THE LAND OF AZERBAIJAN, BY 90 PERCENT, DO NOT FORGET TO FORGET, CHRISTIANS, ARMENIANS. !!! WHAT IS IT LIKE????!!

no way, Americans are Christians and Poles and Ukrainians, and in general there are many, different Christians.

Quote: nerovnayadoroga

ON THE LAND OF AZERBAIJAN

why supposedly?
This is Azerbaijan.
By the way, the Ecumenical Orthodox Patriarch is in Istanbul - does that bother you?

[Old26]

Quote: Insurgent

Let's remember Libya, and the story when even the United States avoided strikes on the part of the airfield where the Russian aircraft were located.

Yes, if you know that someone's planes are stationed there. IL landed at the Armenian airfield at its own peril and risk. One could have guessed that there would be an attempt to hit the airfield.

[Insurgent]

Quote: Old26

Yes, if you know that someone's planes are stationed there.

Forgive me, what century do you live in? Have you heard anything about "Radar", "Air Defense", "Airspace Control System"? Add to this the Azerbaijani spy satellite "hanging out" in the OZO ...

[TermNachTer]

Rzhu nimagu))) what is a bomb? what, there is one bridge in all of Karabakh?

[Avior]

The bridge is not in Karabakh at all.
He is in Azerbaijan between Karabakh and the border with Armenia.
And what is a bomb shell, the most terribly interesting.
And how did he get to the pages of a specialized resource, like VO .....

[svoit]

Quote: nnm

And what is the point in this, especially if the offensive is supposed to continue?

The attack on the territory of Armenia behind the bridge is not expected yet, if a new one is to be built.

[TermNachTer]

The destruction of the bridge would make sense if the outcome of the battle depended on its work, but such was not observed. I think now, a brigade of construction workers will be on duty near the bridge, with equipment and construction materials. The width of the river is 30 m. - we throw reinforced concrete beams, cover with reinforced concrete slabs, welders fix the structure with channels so that it does not "creep away". I think they will manage it in 3 - 4 hours.

[Keyser soze]

Yes, if you historically look at Karabakh is generally the most, the most pro-Russian region in the ALL Caucasus. And I find it strange to read here the Russians who here want the destruction of Karabakh and the Armenians.

Yes, there is only one Karabakh village provided two marshals of the Soviet Union, 12 generals, 7 Heroes of the Great Patriotic War. Yes, they also served the Russian Empire .... and now we hear - this is Azerbaijan, Soros, Pashinyan, but we are fighting against the Russian Empire and other incredibly stupid nonsense ... and the heirs of these heroes are now fighting the Turkish bashibozuk.

That feeling that our time gave birth to narrow-minded inhabitants and illiterate sofa quacks and that's it. Heroes of our time ... damn ...

[Pavlos Melas]

Kolleg because there is no consistency, the other pro-Russian region of the Balkans is already completely outside the zone of Russian influence.

[iouris]

Quote: Keyser Soze

Karabakh is generally the most, the most pro-Russian region in the ALL Caucasus.

Look not, but there are no "pro-Russian regions" left anywhere. Will appear when the Turks come.

[Keyser soze]

and there are no "pro-Russian regions" left anywhere.

And in order for them to be, they must be protected and not only by the 1001st Russian concern ...

[iouris]

Quote: Keyser Soze

they need to be protected

Do they need it? They all suffered under the "Russian boot" and under the "yoke of Russia." First, you need to really get under the boot and under the yoke. After that, you can talk about common goals.

[Garris199]

Well defended Bulgaria, and then what?

[Pavlos Melas]

When the Turks come, the Russian soldier will once again take blood with heroism and complete the task. On the other hand, incompetent diplomats “love” all the victims and do not convert it into political success.

[uhu189]

Yes, no one wants the destruction of Karabakh, the majority wants peace. Tired of reports, videos with the destruction of tanks and corpses of people. The senseless killing of thousands of people on both sides, the destruction of houses, infrastructure and technology, and everything is covered with justice, which everyone has their own. Some are trying to take their land, others to protect their people. And nobody wants to negotiate. I will explain why I am now neutral towards Armenia - after the 18th year it became clear how they treat us there. Yes, not all, but many. Of course, it was clear before, but here it became very obvious. No matter how much you feed the wolf, he still looks into the forest. If someone took responsibility for Armenia except Russia, everything Russian from there would have survived and forgotten long ago, but no one is torn. Pashinyan simply has nowhere to go, so he is forced to endure Russia. They could have come to an agreement with Azerbaijan for so many years, but arrogance is getting in the way ... And now Russia should organize a no-fly zone? Or send an army there? How do you see it?

[Scorpio05]

Quote: Keyser Soze

Yes, if you historically look at Karabakh is generally the most, the most pro-Russian region in the ALL Caucasus. And I find it strange to read here the Russians who here want the destruction of Karabakh and the Armenians.

Yes, there is only one Karabakh village provided two marshals of the Soviet Union, 12 generals, 7 Heroes of the Great Patriotic War. Yes, they also served the Russian Empire .... and now we hear - this is Azerbaijan, Soros, Pashinyan, but we are fighting against the Russian Empire and other incredibly stupid nonsense ... and the heirs of these heroes are now fighting the Turkish bashibozuk.

That feeling that our time gave birth to narrow-minded inhabitants and illiterate sofa quacks and that's it. Heroes of our time ... damn ...

1. Where did these go-you (we are not talking about you) get that the Karabakh village gave two anniversary marshals, who received their marshal titles under the patronage of A. Mikoyan only in the mid-50s? This thesis is actively advertised by pop Gapon of Russian television V. Soloviev (rather a mix of pops Gapon and Azef) and his bawdy friend and provocateur S. Bagdasarov. So, remember the imaginary Bulgarian, the village of Chardakhly (the name is Azerbaijani, if you understand the Turkic languages) is located in the Shamkir region of Azerbaijan, about 220 km. north of Karabakh, near the border with Georgia! Look at the map. About 550 thousand Azerbaijanis of the Shamkir and Geranboy regions of Azerbaijan, as well as the city of Ganja, the second largest city in Azerbaijan, live between this village and Karabakh.
2. Only one person served in the Russian Empire in Karabakh itself. In 1805, the Russian Empire signed a treaty with the ruler of all Karabakh, Ibrahim Jevanshir, on a protectorate with Ros. empire. Under the treaty, the Russian Empire guaranteed the eternal (!) Rule of the descendants of the sovereign khan (and already the lieutenant general of the imperial guard) in the khanate. It is noteworthy that not a single Armenian was present at the signing of the agreement, nor were any Armenian interests mentioned. That's it, dear ...
3. About how the Armenians ended up in Karabakh:
Here is the first president of the Academy of Sciences of Armenia, the famous Armenian historian, academician I.A. Orbeli wrote: “Today's Nagorno-Karabakh was a part of medieval Albania, and was later captured by Armenian feudal lords” (IA Orbeli “Selected Works.” Yerevan, 1963) Well, the Monophysites were seized by Armenian feudal lords then Karabakh (and with the help of invaders - Arabs, who were informed about the Orthodox Diophysites of the Albanians) But then the Azeri feudal lords-Turks came, handed them out to the Byzantines (because the Armenians were already under the Byzantines), they captured not only Arran Karabakh (not Byzantines), but also the entire Caucasus and most of Asia Minor. And the Azerbaijani Shah Jahan Karakoyunlu the great began for the first time (!) In history to distribute titles of meliks to small Armenian landowners. What are the claims, dear? The Armenians thought that once they came to someone else's place, then this is forever?)) The Middle Ages, do you understand. As Bren said: Vae Victis ...
Henceforth, I ask you to express your "most authoritative" opinion of the Turkophobe about what you have a minimal idea of, and not to demonstrate hatred for the Turks at the slightest opportunity) and not pry into matters in which they are completely ignorant.

[svoit]

Quote: Odyssey

There is a very strong Armenian lobby in Russia

The lobby has nothing to do with it, the fact is that ordinary people live there, who are still afraid to be a part of Azerbaijan and he has not done anything for 30 years (although he could) so that there would be no fear. If they do not pose any danger (and after all, they do not suit the explosions in Baku), then you just need to recognize their independence, and that's the end of it (if somehow there is no desire to make peace with them). I don't think Armenia would strongly object to this.

[uranium]

In the 90s, Armenians expelled Azerbaijanis from their native lands. Azerbaijan offered the highest autonomy within Azerbaijan and cohabitation with the same rights of citizens of Azerbaijan. But the statements of Armenian officials "new war new territories "" Karabakh is Armenia and point " as well as manifested deconstruction is bearing fruit.

[Pavlos Melas]

Do not be cunning, please, this decision looks good only on paper, but in reality it would result in the expulsion of the entire Armenian population from Nagorno-Karabakh.

[Alex_You]

Quote: Pavlos Melas

Do not be cunning, please, this decision looks good only on paper, but in reality it would result in the expulsion of the entire Armenian population from Nagorno-Karabakh.

If only it would, but in fact resulted in the expulsion of the Azerbaijani population and bloodshed.

[Pavlos Melas]

There is no here, not if, but there are historical precedents made just by the hands of Azerbaijanis.

[Pavlos Melas]

Quote: Alekseev

That's when the man in the street finds out that his acquaintance, a relative died in the war and there are many of them, and in the East rumors are multiplying better than anywhere else, no one will need video camera footage ... Immediately realizes that war is a foul business, that peace is needed etc. Unfortunately, until they sip on their blood and the city. The parties are not ready to compromise, without which in this case cannot be done

This is exactly the east, so the victims do not stop but feed the conflict. It will end here when it will be clear who lost. The second side will hide and prepare for revenge. I am not a proponent of military action, but I must give due credit to Aliyev, as he sees justice for it from his side.

[iouris]

Quote: Pavlos Melas

As he sees from his side, he fights for justice.

Justice is what. Aliyev is fighting for power and for his survival under Erdogan's leadership. Erdogan too. Let's see if they took it all into account. No matter what happens. I don’t think everyone liked the formula “in two states - one people”, because the plans after the victory in Karabakh are simply grandiose. Has Erdogan already bought an atomic bomb?

[Pavlos Melas]

Here is the question of the approach of what is fairness for Aliyev, so that he remains on the throne. For Azeri, the return of lands that were part of their republic. For Ertogan, the construction of a neo-Ottoman caliphate. Ertogan and his followers, especially users from Azerbaijan, believe that Pakistan will help them.

[Pavlos Melas]

What are your plans after the victory in Karabakh? First, he must be defeated. Secondly, it must be built, thirdly, it must be populated and, in the end, made attractive from an economic point of view for living. I don't think that even rich Azerbaijan will be able to do it quickly.

[Grits]

Quote: Pavlos Melas

First, he must be defeated. Secondly, it must be built, thirdly, it must be populated and, in the end, made attractive from an economic point of view for living. I don't think that even rich Azerbaijan will be able to do it quickly.

Don't worry, the Azerbaijanis will give it to the Turks very quickly. And those will settle down there quickly. They have someone to inhabit this territory.

[Pavlos Melas]

Quote: Gritsa

Quote: Pavlos Melas

First, he must be defeated. Secondly, it must be built, thirdly, it must be populated and, in the end, made attractive from an economic point of view for living. I don't think that even rich Azerbaijan will be able to do it quickly.

Don't worry, the Azerbaijanis will give it to the Turks very quickly. And those will settle down there quickly. They have someone to inhabit this territory.

I don’t think that Azerbaijanis will be happy about Arab or Pakistani immigrants on their territory. Literate Turks go to Istanbul or Europe.

[Grits]

Quote: Pavlos Melas

I don’t think that Azerbaijanis will be happy about Arab or Pakistani immigrants on their territory.

And who will ask them? They now have an older brother who commands them.

[Pavlos Melas]

Perhaps this is so. You know, I had a seditious thought, if the Armenians surrender Karabakh, then Azerbaijan and Armenia will reduce external influence in their countries.

[Retvizan 8]

In this conflict, Turkish ears are clearly sticking out.
Aliyev was unambiguously persuaded to carry out this operation.
Under the pretext of the exercises, they brought military equipment to Azerbaijan, the units of the Turkish military, and with the beginning of hostilities, they also brought in fighters from Syria fighting for Turkish interests and with Turkish money. Well, and immediately Erdogan flooded against everyone, they say, we will help the brotherly people.

[Scorpio05]

Quote: Retvizan 8

In this conflict, Turkish ears are clearly sticking out.
Aliyev was unambiguously persuaded to carry out this operation.
Under the pretext of the exercises, they brought military equipment to Azerbaijan, the units of the Turkish military, and with the beginning of hostilities, they also brought in fighters from Syria fighting for Turkish interests and with Turkish money. Well, and immediately Erdogan flooded against everyone, they say, we will help the brotherly people.

In this conflict, only and only Armenian ears stick out, or rather, the Armenian army has been standing right in the middle of Azerbaijan for 30 years and occupying 16 thousand square kilometers. Azerbaijani territory, 7 of them are large areas in which Armenians have never lived, exclusively Azerbaijanis. Order to give the Armenians half of Azerbaijan? ...

[Retvizan 8]

I really feel sorry for the guys who were thrown to the slaughter!
You saw the lists of the dead, which at least were published by the Armenian side, boys, 18, 19 years old!

[businessv]

Azerbaijan replies that no negotiations are possible until the Armenians leave Nagorno-Karabakh and seven adjacent regions.

Did you feel the support of the Turkish brothers - provocateurs?

[Prahlad]

Another week of such battles and Armenia will be defeated. It's just darkness, like people shoot in a shooting range. In the war of drones and air defense - 1: 0. You have to do something about this, but so far no one knows what exactly.

[_Ugene_]

It looks like the Azeri people with the help of the Turks will beat back the Karabakh, or maybe for the better? at least they will stop fighting

[Prahlad]

I also think so, although politicians claim that there is no military solution, but it is in the use of force that there is a solution. It sounds of course creepy, but this is the reality. You just have to leave them 1 on 1 without the third side. Let them decide it once and for all. It is clear that there will be many victims, but still less than in the endlessly smoldering conflict. I would even say this option is the most humane for the parties.

[Victorio]

Quote: Prahlad

Let them decide it once and for all

===
passed with the Germans and East Prussia, but not with the Japanese and Kurils.

[Pavlos Melas]

This conflict will not stop either in Ankara or in Yerevan it will end, even then calm will not immediately come; they will shoot for a long time.

[cat Rusich]

It will be like with South Ossetia and Abkhazia - when the REAL threat of the destruction of the Armenians of Archcel (Karabakh) comes, Russia will have to intervene and recognize the independence of Archcel ... Now the Kremlin still hopes that Aliyev will "score points" and calm down, and Erdogan will not go "to the end "... I now propose, for a start, to" break through the land corridor "to Armenia at the expense of the" Georgian territory ". The land should be "written down" to Armenia, so that there was a land border between Russia and Armenia.

[Arthur]

The bridge is not damaged. Cars are driving along it, everything is fine. Aziki lost 540

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: nobody75

Excuse me, how do you imagine an "unmanned" corn plant?

Any plane can be converted into a drone.
Decommissioned fighters are usually converted into targets.

[Old26]

Quote: businessv

Azerbaijan replies that no negotiations are possible until the Armenians leave Nagorno-Karabakh and seven adjacent regions.

Did you feel the support of the Turkish brothers - provocateurs?

Well, actually, part of this, namely the liberation of 7 regions, was in the proposal of Russia, expressed by EMNIP in Kazan. Liberate the regions by withdrawing the armed forces from there and start negotiations, leaving the NKR problem for subsequent stages

[Scorpio05]

Quote: TermNachTER

If Azerbaijan has succeeded in anything, it is in scary stories, in the style of Baron Munchausen)))

You are a strange person, it is not Azerbaijan that talks about unmanned corn workers or the use of Laura across the bridge, but Russian observers and journalists))

[Scorpio05]

Quote: Old26

Quote: businessv

Azerbaijan replies that no negotiations are possible until the Armenians leave Nagorno-Karabakh and seven adjacent regions.

Did you feel the support of the Turkish brothers - provocateurs?

Well, actually, part of this, namely the liberation of 7 regions, was in the proposal of Russia, expressed by EMNIP in Kazan. Liberate the regions by withdrawing the armed forces from there and start negotiations, leaving the NKR problem for subsequent stages

In vain did the Armenians not listen to Russia.

[Scorpio05]

Quote: nobody75

Have you surrounded them all? Yes, as long as the initiative is on your side ... And rearguard combat is the most difficult type of combat. But what if the Armenian army goes out to meet the retreating parts of Artsakh and unite with them?
Sincerely

The Armenian army, and the whole, is already there.

[nobody75]

And on the Turkish border not a single shepherd is left?
Fresh tradition ...

[svoit]

Quote: uran

manifested deconstructivism is bearing fruit.

So it is necessary to start not from above, not from clarifying the status of Karabakh, but from the bottom, from human contacts, so that the Armenians of Karabakh are not afraid to settle in their country - Azerbaijan, that there will never be any Sumgait (at the same time, the Natsiks should be brought under control), people's trust easy to destroy, but not easy to get, and even if not in this generation, it would be possible in the next.

[Scorpio05]

Quote: nobody75

Aliyev, I remember, promised in 24 hours not only to capture Karabakh, but also to clean up ...
AND???
"The villages are burning for the fourth day"

President I. Aliyev did not promise anything of the kind, there is no need to invent. There are docs, I ask them to the studio. There are no facts, then no need to talk about. The entire army of Armenia (plus different Kurds and others) is now in the heavily fortified mountainous Karabakh (and at the heights) with all the property they got for free and from the military department: air defense of different levels, electronic warfare, hundreds of tanks, art, MLRS, OTRK, etc.
The Americans with the coalition took Mosul with an effort for 5 months. And Aleppo, on a flat terrain like a table, could only be taken after six months after continuous air bombing from hicks in slippers on clunkers (without air defense and even normal ATGMs) who gathered together: the Syrian army, Hezbollah, the IRGC and tens of thousands of Iranian military, Afghan Fatimiyun, Russian specialists, PMCs and VKS and other international. The same thing happened with Palmyra (and 2 times) and when Deir ez-Zor was unblocked. Slippers who had practically nothing except Kalash and RPG from summer to November repulsed all attacks of the entire Syrian army and all its assistants above.

[nobody75]

Sorry, Aleppo, Mosul, Palmyra are cities. There it is necessary to conduct a city battle .... or use an omp. And you, excuse me, which cities have you started?

[Scorpio05]

And you forgive, how do you imagine that is easier?
1.storm vertically (from bottom to top) head-on, as the Azerbaijani Armed Forces do (without the support of assault aircraft (these are not dragonfly drones with a minimum combat load) mountain fortifications with Armenian art, MLRS, hundreds of tanks, air defense of different levels, or alternatively. ..
2.storm (rather, clean it up) across the plain under the cover of armored vehicles, launching forward experienced (combat experience in Syria, Yemen, Afghanistan and Iraq) pro-Iranian groups (whose losses no one considers), and after a month (at least) massive bombardment and stormtroopers ruins with slippers (if any) with Kalash and RPG.
Think and answer honestly. The question is rhetorical. I think the answer is clear ...

[nobody75]

This is a question of questions !!! It is really rhetorical "It is the worst of all to besiege fortresses" So in my opinion it is written in "Art of War" Aleppo had civilians and fierce urban battles were fought there. Believe me, if it were acceptable to turn into rubble Aleppo (Aleppo) - one of the oldest cities in the world - it could be done in 15 minutes .... Excuse me, but "Alternative" is how? Like now?
Sincerely

[Scorpio05]

Alternatively, this is an offensive in the mountains (bottom-up) versus (against) an offensive (clearing rather) in an urban setting.
Sincerely ...

[nobody75]

Is this by analogy with the offensive of the 4th Panzer Army in the Caucasus during the WWII?
Sincerely

[Scorpio05]

No, not at all. The theater of operations is not like that, there are no opportunities for maneuver, aviation is not applicable, the actions of assault, landing and sabotage groups behind enemy lines are impossible, and much more, i.e. a completely different format. Short-term frontal offensive and minor skirmishes along the entire front, Classic small war of small states.
Sincerely ...

[nobody75]

Excuse me, why is aviation not applicable? You almost sawed out the air defense? And God himself commanded to carry out vertical coverage ...
Sincerely

[Scorpio05]

Apparently not quite yet, and the "Voentorg", most likely, is working properly)
Sincerely ...

[nobody75]

Excuse me, I didn’t understand anything about the “ideas” of your planners ... Why throw drones against defense units without completely cutting air defense? The main purpose of modern UAVs is to cut air defenses ... Do you think that Armenians have extra-class professionals who can restore air defenses "from wheels"?
Sincerely

[Scorpio05]

Quote: nobody75

On your television

Do you watch our television?) And where is it? If he said this somewhere on TV, then he will definitely be on the Internet. You can prove your words, but I assure you nobody heard it.

[nobody75]

Yes, I watch your television ... And not for the first year ... I myself have heard these words from your president. They say that in 24 hours Karabakh would be cleaned out if Russia did not interfere. And to keep a record of his "wise thoughts" somehow did not occur to me ... Excuse me ... And about the Internet, sorry, he is your president - you are looking for. And what I saw and heard was enough for me. But what should we argue about? "Wise" ideas have already captured the masses:

Sincerely

[nobody75]

And how many days have passed? I have always believed that having a bad plan is better than having no ...

[Scorpio05]

So to interfere is not only to fight directly, dear man. Intervening is also continuous huge columns (let's say, of unknown origin) with new equipment, weapons, ammunition, fuel, etc. and all for free, through Iranian territory directly to Karabakh of the Armenian army. Don't you take this into account? In addition, I have all the moves written down, you seemed to be talking about the esteemed Mr. President and about 24 hours.
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[Scorpio05]

Quote: businessv

Azerbaijan replies that no negotiations are possible until the Armenians leave Nagorno-Karabakh and seven adjacent regions.

Did you feel the support of the Turkish brothers - provocateurs?

What provocateur said this? Love to distort everything, to distort in favor of the Armenians. It was said that negotiations are impossible until the ARMENIAN ARMED FORCES leave the occupied Azerbaijani regions. What's wrong?

[Victorio]

Quote: Scorpio05

What provocateur said this? Love to distort everything, to distort in favor of the Armenians. It was said that negotiations are impossible until the ARMENIAN ARMED FORCES leave the occupied Azerbaijani regions. What's wrong?

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provocateur - Turkey, if not clear). each side has its own truth, but at what cost will it prevail ?! options for cohabitation were, and there are still, probably. it is necessary to negotiate, otherwise coffins, devastation and economic decline.

[Scorpio05]

Tell this to the Armenians, who sent Azerbaijan with forests for 30 years, and even the occupied Azerbaijani regions (inhabited exclusively by Azerbaijanis before the occupation) legally (changing their constitution) impudently introduced de jure into their non-state. In fact, annexed.

[Mikhail Ya2]

It seems to me that the problem of Russia is that it tried to pursue a “multi-vector” policy. Both yours and ours. As a result, neither one nor the other ceased to reckon with Russia. I am not an adherent of the USSR, but that had a firm policy in any region of the world “for whom the United States is against them,” and vice versa, it worked. The confrontation with Turkey began, so on all fronts it is necessary to speak out openly and toughly against Turkey's policy.

[Victorm]

Quote: alexmach

PS: And yet - about who will bother with all this - They have Turkey at their side, with their own production of drones. Could and share some developments. Moreover, it is quite inexpensive. They could even unify the control system with the same Baikotura, so that from one remote control and one radio station to control both the target and the strike drone and the reconnaissance.

ZY-ZY The production of unmanned aerial vehicles in Azerbaijan, including drums, was started with the help of the Israelis even when Bayraktar and others did not exist.
Sorry if this is against your expert opinion ...

[Scorpio05]

Quote: ashot1973

Hello gentlemen.
It is obvious that the blitzkrieg of Azerbaijan did not take place. Sun Az. collided with the deeply echeloned positions of the NKR Defense Army and, with heavy losses of railroad vehicles and military equipment, switched to positional battles. The main 2 directions of the main attack (north and south - along the Araks River) was stopped.
Papa Erdogan, after the joint military exercises in Azerbaijan, left some of the military equipment, aviation and instructors, but even this could not fulfill the main goal of Baku. It was necessary to recruit Arab countries from under the control territories of Turkey and send Arab mercenaries there. And that did not help.
Baku did not expect such an outcome and began a different tactic - to launch missile bombing strikes on the settlements of the NKR.

Aliyev, I remember, promised in 24 hours not only to capture Karabakh, but also to clean up ...

- on account of this I will say this - a week ago, there was a general of the Armed Forces Az Barkhudarov, Mais Shukur oglu. He, too, as his GC, promised to reach Sevan in a day and drink tea there ...
Alas. Where is Aliyev's humble servant now ??? Drinks tea with his ancestors in the next world ...
The Azerbaijani side still does not collect its corpses from the battlefield ... What can be said about? About humanism, about any international conventions?
The NKR Armenians are currently fighting not only for their freedom, but also against international terrorist forces.

Ashotik, do not spread Armenian bravura propaganda. What blitzkrieg?) The whole army of Armenia (plus different Kurds and others) is now in the heavily fortified mountainous Karabakh (and at the heights) with all the property you got (lucky dependents) from the military service for free: air defense of different levels, electronic warfare, hundreds of tanks, art, MLRS , OTRK and so on.
The Americans and the coalition took Mosul with an effort for 5 months. And Aleppo, on a flat terrain like a table, only six months later after continuous bombing from the air (turning the city into a heap of rubble) were able to take from the hicks in slippers on clunkers (who fought without air defense and even normal ATGMs) gathered together: the Syrian army, Hezbollah, the IRGC and dozens thousands of Iranian military, Afghan Fatimiyun, Russian specialists, PMCs and Aerospace Forces and other internationals. The same thing happened with Palmyra (and 2 times) and when Deir ez-Zor was unblocked. Slippers, who had practically nothing except Kalash and RPG from summer to late November, repulsed all attacks in Deir ez-Zor by the entire Syrian army and all its assistants above.

[Scorpio05]

Quote: Victorio

Quote: Scorpio05

What provocateur said this? Love to distort everything, to distort in favor of the Armenians. It was said that negotiations are impossible until the ARMENIAN ARMED FORCES leave the occupied Azerbaijani regions. What's wrong?

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provocateur - Turkey, if not clear). each side has its own truth, but at what cost will it prevail ?! options for cohabitation were, and there are still, probably. it is necessary to negotiate, otherwise coffins, devastation and economic decline.

Turkey where? Has she occupied a huge territory of Azerbaijan, the best lands? Is it possible to negotiate, let them withdraw their occupation forces?

[Scorpio05]

Quote: Victorio

Quote: Scorpio05

What provocateur said this? Love to distort everything, to distort in favor of the Armenians. It was said that negotiations are impossible until the ARMENIAN ARMED FORCES leave the occupied Azerbaijani regions. What's wrong?

===
provocateur - Turkey, if not clear). each side has its own truth, but at what cost will it prevail ?! options for cohabitation were, and there are still, probably. it is necessary to negotiate, otherwise coffins, devastation and economic decline.

Turkey where? Has she occupied a huge territory of Azerbaijan, the best lands? You can negotiate, let the Armenians withdraw their occupation forces. The armed actions will immediately stop, they have been fooling us for 30 years, and they themselves have legally (!) Declared ALL the occupied lands to be a part of their Partzakh.

[nobody75]

Come and take ...

[Scorpio05]

So already) Don't worry, kamats-kamats stepik jan.

[nobody75]

Why should I worry? I live in Russia ... And I laid out the map above ... How do you go around for a week. Are normal heroes always going around?
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[nobody75]

Excuse me, maybe you can tell me - Magadiz is taken?
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[Old26]

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Quote: Old26

Yes, if you know that someone's planes are stationed there.

Forgive me, what century do you live in? Have you heard anything about "Radar", "Air Defense", "Airspace Control System"? Add to this the Azerbaijani spy satellite "hanging out" in the OZO ...

No, about the air defense radar and SKVP have not heard. After all, I clearly wrote that one of the sides will not shoot at the airfield of the other side if something is based there on a permanent basis. And if a single board sits down, which after unloading will leave the airfield, you should not hang all the dogs on those who fired at this airfield. Two options could be used here
1. The plane landed without notifying the other side of the conflict, which is called at your own peril and risk
2. If it would be necessary to guarantee the inviolability of the aircraft, contact the Azerbaijani side via diplomatic channels.

Quote: Nyrobsky

Another thing is bad here, namely, that Baku, as a condition, indicated that the Armenians should leave not only the territory of the seven disputed regions, but also the territory of Nagorno-Karabakh, which is impossible a priori, i.e. obviously unrealizable conditions were put forward.

It is possible that they are also impracticable. But the same Azerbaijan perfectly understands that the NKR army as such does not exist without the Armenian army. It practically turns out to be a single whole. The NKR Defense Army has a quantity of equipment not only that is comparable to the quantity of equipment of Azerbaijan, but also surpasses the quantity of equipment of Armenia. ... The NKR JSC has systems that a priori could not be there without the participation of Armenia - OTKR "Elbrus", air defense systems such as "Krug", "Kub", "Pechora". Of course, Armenia is unlikely to agree to the demilitarization of the NKR, but "we'll see"

[Scorpio05]

Quote: nobody75

Why should I worry? I live in Russia ... And I laid out the map above ... How do you go around for a week. Are normal heroes always going around?
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The whole problem is that you cannot bypass it, only head-on. Bypassing, the CSTO represented by Russia will be greatly offended, and it was tempting to bypass and from the Zangezur (territory of Armenia) to hit, cut off the main communications (i.e., the logistics of the Armenian armed forces) and rocky roads in addition, all the fortified areas are in bag. But unfortunately, the Armenians under cover and protection, we write the CSTO (Russia in mind), can invade the territory of Azerbaijan with impunity, as well as shell the Azerbaijani Armed Forces and the territory of Azerbaijan from the territory of Armenia. Recently, the Armenian Armed Forces fired at Tochka-U Azerbaijani positions from the territory of Armenia, the city of Goris. The Azerbaijani Armed Forces are deprived of such an opportunity, since the invasion of the territory of Armenia is already a casus belli for the CSTO.
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[nobody75]

Totally agree with you! We think in the same direction
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