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"Close the Gulf of Finland": Polish press on strengthening the coastal defense of Estonia

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In recent days, the Estonian government has approved additional funding for the country's armed forces, which, in particular, is necessary for the modernization of troops.


In 2021, the defense spending of the small Baltic state is set to increase to € 645,4 million (up from € 2020 million in 615) - 2,28% of GDP, which exceeds the level recommended by NATO. This amount includes about 10 million euros for "inviting allied troops" and 20 million as investments in new weapons. According to these items of expenditure, the amount of payments will remain until 2026, except for 2022, when an additional 46 million euros will be spent on new purchases.

Among other expenses necessary for the modernization of troops, it is planned to strengthen protection along the entire, very long, coastline. At the same time, it is said about the "long range" coastal defense system. According to the Polish edition of Defense24, we are talking about surface-to-surface weapons in anti-ship performance.

As noted by Defense24, their use will make it possible to destroy ships sailing through the Gulf of Finland - "Estonia followed a similar doctrine before World War II."

Then the investments of this small state were directed, in particular, to the creation of coastal [artillery] batteries and the acquisition of two submarines with the ability to place mines. Together with Polish and Finnish fleets, they closed the Gulf of Finland before the new Soviet aggression

- explains the publication, hoping that this time it will be possible to close the strategically important water area for Russian ships.

For some unknown reason, Defense24, delving into history, is silent about how the anti-Soviet doctrines ended for both Poland and the Baltic states.
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  1. The comment was deleted.
    1. siberalt
      siberalt 2 October 2020 10: 46
      22
      We'll have to cut the window to Europe again, but with a different ax. winked
      1. novel66
        novel66 2 October 2020 10: 57
        +7
        blasting work?
        1. Shurik70
          Shurik70 2 October 2020 21: 36
          12
          Fuck this Europe
          Going through this window is very disgusting.
          If they attack, then bomb, but not conquer (and why do we need these radioactive ruins?)
      2. iouris
        iouris 2 October 2020 11: 32
        -13 qualifying.
        "Window to Europe" is Sheremetevo. If you made some loot - go through the "window", there is no money - hold on, there.
      3. Kerensky
        Kerensky 2 October 2020 12: 16
        +5
        We'll have to cut a window to Europe again,

        Door! The door should have been cut from the very beginning!
        1. Doccor18
          Doccor18 2 October 2020 12: 32
          +5
          The tsars gave the "door" in the form of Finland, and with it Poland, and twice ... And then the Soviet republics ...
          It will take more than ever to return all this effort, money and time ...
          1. Piramidon
            Piramidon 2 October 2020 13: 57
            +9
            Quote: Doccor18
            It will take more than ever to return all this effort, money and time ...

            Do I need to return this hemorrhoid? In due time they already spoiled blood.
            their use will make it possible to destroy ships sailing through the Gulf of Finland

            After all, you can do that they just have the "cover" of the Gulf of Finland and the "destroyer" of BF ships fell off.
            1. Cube123
              Cube123 2 October 2020 14: 27
              +4
              Quote: Piramidon
              Quote: Doccor18
              It will take more than ever to return all this effort, money and time ...

              Do I need to return this hemorrhoid? In due time they already spoiled blood.
              their use will make it possible to destroy ships sailing through the Gulf of Finland

              After all, you can do that they just have the "cover" of the Gulf of Finland and the "destroyer" of BF ships fell off.

              So far, it looks more like an attempt to draw money out of the EU for this program. More than 500 euros per year for each resident with an average salary of one and a half thousand? And there is no point in the program. The very first sunk Russian ship will lead to the fact that Estonia will disappear from the maps of the world. This is not the middle of the last century - now it is a completely different scale.
  2. Woodman
    Woodman 2 October 2020 10: 49
    +5
    Together with the Polish and Finnish fleets, they closed the Gulf of Finland before a new Soviet aggression
    As a result, a country like Estonia disappeared from the world map for many years. Poland was more fortunate, thanks to the kindness of Comrade Stalin, Poland disappeared from the world map for just a few years. But Finland was the luckiest one. Perhaps because the only one of the three countries fought desperately. And so she got off with the loss of not significant territories.
    1. poquello
      poquello 2 October 2020 21: 19
      +1
      Quote: Lesovik
      But Finland was the luckiest one. Perhaps because the only one of the three countries fought desperately.

      Finnish radicals took a lively part in the 1905 revolution organized with Japanese money, like comrades-in-arms, maybe this explains such a reverent attitude of the USSR towards Finland in the future?
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  4. antivirus
    antivirus 2 October 2020 10: 52
    +1
    also Kirovskaya, Ivanovskaya and Kostroma regions should be closed. but so far the USA has not succeeded

    there are no designers of mines and mobile complexes of the Strategic Missile Forces in children's (?) toy stores. did not play - do not know and therefore there is no such threat?
    1. novel66
      novel66 2 October 2020 11: 00
      +4
      in Soviet times there were ... they knew ...
  5. Ryaruav
    Ryaruav 2 October 2020 10: 56
    0
    Only in case of a miss will they stick the Finns in the left eye and what kind of warships go there (except for a parade)
    1. novel66
      novel66 2 October 2020 11: 01
      0
      well, we have, like garlic, not a fountain either ...
      1. Escobar
        Escobar 2 October 2020 11: 18
        0
        And given our, to put it mildly, weak anti-mine component of the fleet, even a few submarines capable of laying mines in the Gulf of Finland will cause more problems. In the Great Patriotic War it was already so.
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    1. x.andvlad
      x.andvlad 2 October 2020 11: 34
      +7
      Maybe this is powerlessness, BUT, unfortunately, an environment of ill-wishers is growing around us, who are ready to dance to the tune of our more influential enemies. This is not good.
      1. Kart
        Kart 2 October 2020 12: 05
        +2
        They have been around for the last 500 years.
        The main thing is not to whine inside ourselves.
      2. AllBiBek
        AllBiBek 2 October 2020 12: 23
        +1
        Why?
        An obvious enemy is always better than a fake friend who is ready to betray.
      3. Johann Klassen
        Johann Klassen 2 October 2020 12: 28
        12
        The most dangerous "ill-wishers" and "main enemies" are ourselves, "citizens of the Russian Federation."
        "Top managers" of state companies and corporations, "oligarchs" of all sizes, senators, "deputies" and "officials" of all levels and ranks, sabotaging the performance of their duties.
        Yes, and each of us, too, must bear his own responsibility, both for achievements and for failures.
        Then no "external enemy" will achieve the goal of destroying "Russian civilization" once and for all.
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  7. NDR-791
    NDR-791 2 October 2020 11: 00
    +2
    In 2021, defense spending on the small Baltic state is set to increase to € 645,4 million (up from € 2020 million in 615) - 2,28% of GDP, which is higher than the level recommended by NATO. This amount includes about 10 million euros for "inviting allied troops" and 20 million as investments in new weapons.
    If 645 is divided by 30, you get 21,5. Did I calculate correctly how much will be stolen?
  8. tatarin1972
    tatarin1972 2 October 2020 11: 04
    +4
    Strangely, Estonia does not have missile weapons at all, and barrel artillery will not be able to block the Gulf of Finland, the Navy, consisting of three minesweepers, will hardly be able to defend the Tallinn raid under current conditions.
    1. Kerensky
      Kerensky 2 October 2020 12: 20
      0
      and barreled artillery will not be able to block the Gulf of Finland

      Hmm! ... Where to put the batteries ...
      1. tatarin1972
        tatarin1972 2 October 2020 13: 18
        +1
        What batteries ?! All Estonian artillery 38 105mm. howitzers, 60 years of release.
        1. Kerensky
          Kerensky 2 October 2020 14: 49
          0
          All Estonian artillery 38 105mm. howitzers, 60 years of release.

          There is a little more in the arsenal, but ... who needs it now? Even the weapons of the WWI times are quite real ..
          1. tatarin1972
            tatarin1972 2 October 2020 15: 04
            0
            Everything related to coastal artillery in Estonia was located on the islands of Ezel and Dago. Which blocked the Moonzund in the Gulf of Riga. But that was in the First World War and the Great Patriotic War.
            1. Kerensky
              Kerensky 2 October 2020 15: 09
              0
              AND?! Ezel and Dago are still there. There is room for batteries ...
              1. tatarin1972
                tatarin1972 2 October 2020 15: 29
                0
                How about geography ?! These islands at the entrance to the Gulf of Riga, if there were our naval bases in Latvia and Estonia, it would make sense, although vryatli, all positions of coastal artillery would be covered directly from the bases, from the docks with missiles.
                1. Kerensky
                  Kerensky 3 October 2020 12: 41
                  0
                  How about geography ?!

                  I'm OK. Even grandfather Alexander Vasilyevich fences MAPs there. Now we can say that Kolchak was a goof, and he was entrusted with mine-laying in the Baltic. Agree: Ezel, Dago, Tyuters and Hanko, key points in the Baltic.
  9. DIM (a)
    DIM (a) 2 October 2020 11: 06
    0
    how restless!
  10. KVU-NSVD
    KVU-NSVD 2 October 2020 11: 08
    +7
    The coastal defense of Estonia is already sounding like an anecdote. Its role in NATO is a buffer zone or a staging area (depending on how the map will fall) - in any case, the most useful thing they can do is cook meat (or forest brothers - as the map will fall) and advanced logistics (or stash - like a map will fall) for the alliance. And they climb into the strategy, the "overlaps" of the Finnish puddle are unfinished .. they will not fly to you from the bay, but from the Pskov region, for example.
    1. siberalt
      siberalt 2 October 2020 13: 29
      -1
      This "puddle" Peter can flood up to his waist. This is not a joke.belay
      1. KVU-NSVD
        KVU-NSVD 2 October 2020 13: 36
        +1
        It's not me who call her that, but sailors since the 19th century (if not earlier)
    2. tatarin1972
      tatarin1972 2 October 2020 23: 27
      +1
      They are already preparing, revived kaiselit. Coaching youth from high school.
  11. rocket757
    rocket757 2 October 2020 11: 10
    +5
    As noted by Defense24, their use will make it possible to destroy ships sailing through the Gulf of Finland - "Estonia followed a similar doctrine before World War II."

    Those Baltic "sisters" should REMEMBER !!! that someone starts wars, but there is a country that knows how to end them ... together with the aggressor, as a rule.
  12. Skai
    Skai 2 October 2020 11: 32
    0
    Where do Estonians get so much cabbage - are they giving out more than NATO is asking for? Are old complexes in ferrous metal being handed over at a bargain price?
  13. 7,62h54
    7,62h54 2 October 2020 11: 44
    +2
    Only I noticed that funds will be allocated for inviting NATO troops? Therefore, they will not be spent on any arsenals, they will allocate a place on the seaside for NATO anti-ship missiles and will march nearby.
  14. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 2 October 2020 11: 53
    +2
    10 million euros for "inviting allied troops"
    Aren't the "entertainment" expenses too big? Or great respects to the distinguished guest? But seriously, the most noisy and "brave" in Europe do not have their own army, do not have the strength and means to fight with someone, but most of all they stink towards Russia, hoping for the main "ally" who, in a critical situation, will simply pretend that does not know such countries. Dare the Balts giving their crumbs to the American military-industrial complex and the owner may support at least morally.
  15. Shadow041
    Shadow041 2 October 2020 11: 54
    +5
    If Estonia is tired of the peaceful sky and independence can continue to spoil the Russian Federation ...
  16. orionvitt
    orionvitt 2 October 2020 13: 43
    +3
    hoping that this time it will be possible to close the strategically important water area for Russian ships
    These strange people, with a late ignition, absolutely forget that only with one such incline, Estonia will end in the same minute. And this time, the wrong is forever. In terms of "statehood". Played "great estlandia" and that's enough. By the way, we have accumulated negative karma in relation to Russia. I hope they won't get away with it.
  17. unhappy
    unhappy 2 October 2020 14: 21
    +1
    Even if we assume the ridiculous scenario of the entry of our troops into Estonia No.
    It will be like in Syria (before the phase of capture of the M4 highway), the Turks are sitting at the observation post and watching how the barmaleevs are rolled into the asphalt and columns of the "aggressor" are walking by. NATO Secretary General will threaten, Brussels will call for peace ...
    As for the Poles at one time, and now, no one will want to die for the independence of the Balts. As Bender said - "mentally together", but no more hi
    1. Thunderbolt
      Thunderbolt 2 October 2020 17: 28
      -1
      Quote: unhappy
      Even if we assume the ridiculous scenario of the entry of our troops into Estonia

      NATO has a more modest scenario: the fast-moving Air. Cosm. Operation . Naturally, under favorable conditions for this, created by the economic war. This war is now raging in full force. And the negative consequences of a breakdown from such a war may turn out to be a berry for the Russian Federation, against the background of the flowers of the "nineties". I don’t know about you, but I have always believed that NATO is accumulating and digging in Estonia not for defense, but for attack, for a lightning march towards our NW capital and for pressure on the Kaliningrad OR. Naturally, the Americans and the North European corps will be at the spear point, while the Estonians have a combat mission that is not the primary, but necessary and useful for NATO troops. A reliable combat platform for the deployment and entry into battle of the main strike forces, and during the operation itself - covering the flanks and rear of the strike brigade groups.
      Since this article is about the sea, I will assume that the Estonians will buy the erbies-15 PGRK or their analogues. Such batteries near Helsinki and Tallinn will cross, because. eighty kilometers is a good distance for them in passive containment mode. And with the activation of the NATO vehicle, airfields and ships will be included in the "coastal defense." And then they will already operate in the depths of our territory.
      Sometimes I am amazed when some users from article to article claim that "We do not want to capture the Baltic states, stupid natives dance to Sam's tune and spend their last pennies on the army. After all, if anything, then this is another goal for Iskander. These people do not take into account the factor of nuclear parity. In the valiant Soviet Army, the distance of the launch lines for the enemy from their borders was a key task. And at the forefront of these "lines" stood the Western Group of Forces, in order to break through the enemy's defenses, repel all counterattacks and develop a general offensive in the direction of the ports receiving American convoys / ... and where the European NATO members did not accept ... /. As if the Soviet marshals knew that we have nuclear parity with NATO, so the armies were preparing for war without the use of strategic nuclear weapons. TNW was envisaged very broadly. sides.
      So I want to ask a number of questions to these users.
      What has changed so dramatically since then?
      Do you really think that if NATO imposes a blockade of the Great Earth with Kaliningrad, then Russia will hit ballistic ones?
      1. unhappy
        unhappy 3 October 2020 06: 24
        +1
        NATO has a more modest scenario: the fast-moving Air. Cosm. Operation
        .
        Even if they succeed, they will wash with their blood, and a retaliatory strike (Iskanders and cruise missiles) is guaranteed.
        For a lightning march towards our NW capital

        100 percent nuclear war!
        I already wrote - no one needs such a war. Nobody will die for the arrogance of the Balts, not even the Balts themselves request
        1. Thunderbolt
          Thunderbolt 3 October 2020 14: 03
          -2
          Quote: unhappy
          retaliation (Iskander and cruise missiles) is guaranteed.

          How can you not understandXXX or rather, you understand it perfectly, and with this thought / about with the holy, omnipotent hibin's beautiful Iskander ,,, / you fall asleep peacefully. I understand your position. It's like that - in Estonia, an armored brigade group is moving forward for road accessibility. Excellent! We are her Iskanderik. Nobody was going to fight with nuclear weapons in the last century. Do you think the reference to the doctrine of the Russian Federation will convince me? No, at first disarming strikes at key points, then march along the roads. We maintain Parity, although their anti-missile defense system from single missiles is very mobile, but all the same, the Russian air defense system of the NE will shut out a thousand targets, to the reinforced anti-missile defense system of the Moscow region covering the entire center of our countries, a strike from the west and a hippoteticiski from the north can break through. Salvation, for leveling the front, can be a Siberian salvo, but I got stuck with a specialist that a direct attack is possible only after the Russian revolution. It was then that the Roman Empire will strike. The Chinese dragon will strike this the moment will rub its tail, if the dragon flaps its tail in the Central Asian plain or between the hills of the Far East, the aggressiveness of the PRC will wave a couple of three times and it will be possible to call "German historians".
          1. Dmitry Donskoy
            Dmitry Donskoy 3 October 2020 22: 03
            +3
            Here, colleague, you said nonsense. This is not 41 years old, we will know what will fly at us and when. Our response will take off simultaneously with their launches. Take the word of the Strategic Missile Forces officer. hi
          2. unhappy
            unhappy 4 October 2020 07: 48
            0
            armed groups will fight in full contact until their combat capabilities are exhausted. This absolutely does not bother you. I understand your position.
            belay
  18. Old26
    Old26 2 October 2020 15: 16
    +2
    hoping that this time it will be possible to close the strategically important water area for Russian ships.

    I'm wondering how this can be done. And not even purely technically (coastal artillery, anti-ship missiles - everything is clear there, all this will exist until the first salvo), but legally. the distance between the extreme points - the Finnish island of Mäkiluoto Makilo (on which at least theoretically it is possible to install something from the anti-ship, since the dimensions are about 1,2 x 0,5 km) to the Estonian island of Naissar is about 36 kilometers. Subtract the width of the territorial waters and we get almost 8 kilometers of the width of neutral waters. Storytellers, damn it! To school, learn arithmetic and geography
    1. Andrey Grad
      Andrey Grad 2 October 2020 19: 58
      +1
      When NATu was stopped by international borders and agreements, they were neutral and became ours ...
  19. Old26
    Old26 2 October 2020 20: 20
    +2
    Quote: Andrew Grad
    When NATu was stopped by international borders and agreements, they were neutral and became ours ...

    A counter question: when did NATO violate the law of the sea and international borders. Especially on the high seas ???
  20. bars1
    bars1 2 October 2020 23: 09
    +2
    In case of an attempt to blockade the Kaliningrad region, the problem of the coastal defense of Estonia will be solved by the Ground Forces of the Russian Federation ...
  21. shinobi
    shinobi 3 October 2020 04: 10
    +1
    They are not friendly with brains at all. Our RTOs are capable of sending them to the bottom from any deep river, aha they will close the bay. Not to mention the fact that there are common borders with sprats on land. Consciousness of the late 18th century among people.
  22. migsu
    migsu 3 October 2020 07: 03
    0
    I see no point in the existence of the Balts and Poland.
  23. oracul
    oracul 3 October 2020 09: 07
    +1
    Regarding Estonia, I can only say one thing: let him try to close the bay. This is first. And, secondly, why so many worries about the Baltic limitrophes. We have enough land, agriculture themselves are not bad, but they no longer have industry, we have built ports and continue to increase their development. So let them walk around the world with their Wishlist.
  24. MakStVik
    MakStVik 3 October 2020 11: 07
    +1
    BDSM of some kind.
  25. Non liberoid Russian
    Non liberoid Russian 3 October 2020 11: 47
    +2
    byadaaaaa ... how to live now. estonia does not understand - the first salvo from the coast of the missile defense system at the ships and vessels of Russia and a response will arrive, which will send all their army to the sprats
  26. lubesky
    lubesky 3 October 2020 19: 05
    0
    Back in August 2008, the fate of the Anglo-Saxon jackals became clear to the whole world, adequate to the world. They won't fly in, they won't help, they won't enter, they won't protect. The maximum will shout loudly to the entire planet. No one there wants to face a nuclear superpower in a remote theater of operations, even in a remote theater of operations for us - they do not dare. The maximum is financing and supplying weapons to the country where we get bogged down on the ground (Afghanistan). Our troops are not in Ukraine. Estonia and other dwarfs in the event of a quarrel with a bear will not last more than three days, which means there will be no one to supply, as it happened with Georgia
  27. Vladimir Balaev
    Vladimir Balaev 4 October 2020 09: 35
    0
    And offer the Baltic states - the following - the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation asks you to provide military training grounds for conducting training firing - and in case of a positive decision, shoot with calibers and bombs - let them look at the results, so that the ranges go 50 meters underground!
  28. comings
    comings 5 October 2020 15: 12
    0
    I remember that Gromyko, in response to the question of what the USSR will do if Turkey closes the Bosphorus and the Dardanelles, replied: "The Soviet Union will need two missiles to open these straits. True, then there will be no such city as Istanbul."